Hey Josh, if I'm quantizing live drums using Flex Time how does that affect the phase alignment? If I'm aligning the wave forms of the room mics and overheads with the close mic should I do this before or after quantizing. Or does it matter. Thanks in advance for your reply. As always great channel. Thanks!!
Thanks so much for this amazing, amazing series of Logic Pro X tutorials. The package is enormous and your information is so helpful! It has saved us hours of hard slog. Cheers Mate from Glenn & Dave.
You know, I was thinking -you are so nice to help so many people with your tutorials, you should have a link to donate to you for your time. Most musicians I know are poor -and that might include you. Others, who do this as a hobby might have a much greater income. So, poor musicians might donate $2, while some say, software engineer might give you $20. It's a win/win, but most importantly, you get SOMETHING for all your time and efforts. Just a thought. And, thank you!
+jkyles1000 I actually do have a Patreon account set up to make improvements to the channel. I need to advertise it more! www.patreon.com/musictechhelpguy
+MusicTechHelpGuy I would just put "Donations are voluntary and appreciated" below every single tutorial with a link like this guy sort of does, but his is on his website (he has 100s of free guitar lessons for free on RUclips) bobsguitarlessons.yolasite.com As to your setup, in my opinion, becoming a patron sounds to binding. Musicians are free-spirits, who are poor and noncommittal and unlikely to become a patron. Also, as it is, your setup to donate is too hidden. I've watched your videos probably 100 times and never had any idea there was a way to donate. If it's not below the video, out of sight, out of mind. My guess is that Bob of Bob's Guitar Lessons is not doing that great because his is too hidden, too. Finally, I'm no business person and may be 100% wrong. I'm just giving you my opinion and impression. Thanks, again, for your videos.
Help! My logic pro X suddenly refuses to bounce. When I check all tracks (cmd A) and try to bounce for an mp3 copy, the cursor just stops and dithers back and forth. Then the program blocks, and I either have to force quit or use esc. I haven't had the slightest problem up till now. Is this due to updating to El Capitan...? Ted T Posts: 3 Joined: Fri Nov 21, 2014 2:33 pm
Hi, I love your tutorials. Thanks! I am having difficulties with the slicing flex mode for drums. I do the grouping of all my drum tracks however when I click the flex icon I need to choose the flex mode for each track and if I move an editing point in one track it does not change in the other tracks.
Awesome as always josh! I have a question for ya, do you have all the tracks as a quantize reference (the green q) on all the tracks when you flextime? Or can you just keep that quantize reference on kick and snare? It seems that i get better results with just the kick and snare, but i also dont want to mess with the phase. Thanks so much man!
@MusicTechHelpGuy - I just moved from LP9 to LPX and I'm curious where the threshold (+/-) went. Also, in the track editor window, my tabs are "Track" and "File Tempo" whereas I'm seeing in other videos it's "Track" and just "File". What am I missing here?
after I'm done cutting drums I use a plugin called Auto Align to make sure everything is in phase ... If I do the slicing technique will that affect my phasing with Auto Align or will everything stay in tact?
can someone explain why the flex mode was changed from rhythmic to slicing? I didn't hear the phasing sound in the cymbals, probably beause i can't notice it/ not using the right headphones. How can I distinguish that phasing sound in my music in the future??
It seems like every time I try using Flex time on drums, it starts to throw them off in other places as if it is dragging everything beyond the point where I insert a drag. I can go in and literally cut out a part that's a little off and nudge it with better results. It appears there's something about Flex time that I don't quite understand.
Is there an option to disable the creation of Transient Markers in some Channels? I have some Room microphones and they are creating a delayed markers. Gets really Confusing. Thanks in advance :)
hey my problem is that when i add kicks when theres a bassline or even hi-hats they dont come out as i play them....they are off beat and move to there own rhythm ive already checked the delay and its on 0
Hey! I have been doing the editing manually for a long time ( I have been using the groupings ofc), because I didnt know about this. The problem I have now is that every snare-hit, I get some crazy noise going on, which might be a phase-issue. I tried Slicing and Rhythmic, but both of them sound the same. How do I fix this problem? Would love an answer since this could solve my time-consuming problems! :)
hey joshua, great tutorial but you have to set the snare and the bass drum track as a reference (only green Q button for those tracks). otherwise you will get phase issues cause the overhead mics should be a couple milliseconds behind the kick and snare and not on the same grid. keep doin your good work. cheers!
really lost, you say that slicing doesn't compress or expand the audio but they are showing white (Stretched) and blue (compressed) same with in my logic DAW. Can you explain?
It slices up the audio at the transients, then you move the slices to place, and then it artificially generates material between the slices. Rather than speeding up or slowing down the audio.
Unfortunately, not at the same time. What I would do is do the flex time adjustment, bounce the track in place, and then apply the flex pitch adjustment.
@@MusicTechHelpGuy Yeah that's what I was thinking but wanted to hear from someone more experienced than myself first - although maybe Logic should consider figuring out how to do this - that would be sweet huh?
Why do you have to edit the live drums as a group??? If a live piano was added then would you have to include that in the group edit? Or what about a beat pattern or sounds created in a midi instrument?
Live drums, yes. You want the various mics used to record the kit to stay in phase if you are using Flex Time. However, if you other instruments they do not need to be in the group.
Dude, switch off Q button from all trax and leave kick and snare drums switched in slicing mode. In your example you still have faser in your crash cymbals
Lance Cook The green "Q" tells Logic what to use as a transient guide to quantize the audio. So not to speak poorly of the poster of this video, because it is a great video, but he would have had better results by not including the overheads as a transient "Q". Since overheads are supposed to capture the entire kit, you are essentially telling logic to quantize all the transients in the overheads (the whole kit) as well as each individual close mics (which will have earlier transients than the overheads). This creates a problem obviously because the overheads will be slightly delayed compared to the close mics. An ideal way to quantize with flex time would be to pick your strongest transients, for example Kick and Snare, and if a significant feel of the song, the toms, (only the primary mics if using a multi-mic set up) as the "Q" and then run your quantize as MusicTechHelpGuy explains in the video. This allows you to preserve more of the audio naturally...Perhaps this was an over explanation, but I hope it helps.
Hi, thank you for the video. I just want to ask you a question: when i edit with SLICING, many many many of the transient attacks gets cut off by a delayed marker. This translates in a "strange" attack sound Apparently the only way to solve this problems is to manually move EVERY wrong transient. And i can see that this is happening to you too in this video, even if the result is good and you don't get annoying attack sound. Do you know any practical workaround for this? Thank you
Yeah, the transients detected are really strange... somewhere between zero and when the signal reaches its peak, so when slicing you literally cut the signal in half. I only found half a workaround to this: in the audio editor (file editor) in transient mode right-click anywhere and select "choose zero-crossings"). You still have to find every cut transient by hand, but now you don't have to move them, simply clicking on a transient marker moves it to a zero-crossing
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Holy shit thank you bro. You're a legend for taking the time out of your day to not only share knowledge but also record and edit these videos for us!
Brother, u need an award for these videos! Thank you!
Thank you SO MUCH for this tutorial... I was struggling with Rhythmic Mode not knowing how much easier Slicing mode is!!!
Thanks so much for these videos!! You explain your process so thoroughly. This is exactly what I hoped to find on RUclips! Thanks, MTHG!!
Your Logic tutorials are ingenious! I'm really enjoying watching these and they help a lot!! Thanks for uploading all that :)
Hey Josh, if I'm quantizing live drums using Flex Time how does that affect the phase alignment? If I'm aligning the wave forms of the room mics and overheads with the close mic should I do this before or after quantizing. Or does it matter. Thanks in advance for your reply. As always great channel. Thanks!!
Phase alignment BEFORE quantizing
Thanks so much for this amazing, amazing series of Logic Pro X tutorials. The package is enormous and your information is so helpful! It has saved us hours of hard slog. Cheers Mate from Glenn & Dave.
Another really useful tutorial, these are so helpful when learning to navigate Logic Pro X!
Your a god sent with these videos.
Hey man thanks for posting these videos!
You know, I was thinking -you are so nice to help so many people with your tutorials, you should have a link to donate to you for your time. Most musicians I know are poor -and that might include you. Others, who do this as a hobby might have a much greater income. So, poor musicians might donate $2, while some say, software engineer might give you $20. It's a win/win, but most importantly, you get SOMETHING for all your time and efforts. Just a thought. And, thank you!
+jkyles1000 I actually do have a Patreon account set up to make improvements to the channel. I need to advertise it more! www.patreon.com/musictechhelpguy
+MusicTechHelpGuy I would just put "Donations are voluntary and appreciated" below every single tutorial with a link like this guy sort of does, but his is on his website (he has 100s of free guitar lessons for free on RUclips) bobsguitarlessons.yolasite.com As to your setup, in my opinion, becoming a patron sounds to binding. Musicians are free-spirits, who are poor and noncommittal and unlikely to become a patron. Also, as it is, your setup to donate is too hidden. I've watched your videos probably 100 times and never had any idea there was a way to donate. If it's not below the video, out of sight, out of mind. My guess is that Bob of Bob's Guitar Lessons is not doing that great because his is too hidden, too. Finally, I'm no business person and may be 100% wrong. I'm just giving you my opinion and impression. Thanks, again, for your videos.
man you're the best teacher. Thanks heaps.
Fantastic video man, this is going to save me a lot of time! Thank you!
Excellent video! Thank you very much !!
Please, how do you bounce all tracks?
cheers!!
great tutorial!!
really nice tips regarding the algorithms.
I LOVE you
Help! My logic pro X suddenly refuses to bounce. When I check all tracks (cmd A) and try to bounce for an mp3 copy, the cursor just stops and dithers back and forth. Then the program blocks, and I either have to force quit or use esc. I haven't had the slightest problem up till now. Is this due to updating to El Capitan...?
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Thanks for the slicing tip, was wondering how to cut up a loop in Logic!
Hi,
I love your tutorials. Thanks!
I am having difficulties with the slicing flex mode for drums. I do the grouping of all my drum tracks however when I click the flex icon I need to choose the flex mode for each track and if I move an editing point in one track it does not change in the other tracks.
your videos are really really amazing man
very useful!
On the multi kit recording are suposed to keep the green q buttons all on or only on the reference track
lovely stuff
i agree with Arturo
really excellent vids man...Biggupps!!
excellent tutorials
Awesome as always josh! I have a question for ya, do you have all the tracks as a quantize reference (the green q) on all the tracks when you flextime? Or can you just keep that quantize reference on kick and snare? It seems that i get better results with just the kick and snare, but i also dont want to mess with the phase. Thanks so much man!
@MusicTechHelpGuy - I just moved from LP9 to LPX and I'm curious where the threshold (+/-) went. Also, in the track editor window, my tabs are "Track" and "File Tempo" whereas I'm seeing in other videos it's "Track" and just "File". What am I missing here?
I hated Logic until watching your videos!
ilogical :P
Totally love the videos. Slicing/loops was very cool.
after I'm done cutting drums I use a plugin called Auto Align to make sure everything is in phase ... If I do the slicing technique will that affect my phasing with Auto Align or will everything stay in tact?
Would you recommend flex timing/quantizing drums before or after mixing them?
can someone explain why the flex mode was changed from rhythmic to slicing? I didn't hear the phasing sound in the cymbals, probably beause i can't notice it/ not using the right headphones. How can I distinguish that phasing sound in my music in the future??
It seems like every time I try using Flex time on drums, it starts to throw them off in other places as if it is dragging everything beyond the point where I insert a drag. I can go in and literally cut out a part that's a little off and nudge it with better results. It appears there's something about Flex time that I don't quite understand.
Is there an option to disable the creation of Transient Markers in some Channels? I have some Room microphones and they are creating a delayed markers. Gets really Confusing. Thanks in advance :)
hey my problem is that when i add kicks when theres a bassline or even hi-hats they dont come out as i play them....they are off beat and move to there own rhythm ive already checked the delay and its on 0
Hey! I have been doing the editing manually for a long time ( I have been using the groupings ofc), because I didnt know about this. The problem I have now is that every snare-hit, I get some crazy noise going on, which might be a phase-issue. I tried Slicing and Rhythmic, but both of them sound the same. How do I fix this problem? Would love an answer since this could solve my time-consuming problems! :)
Instead of phase locked audio I have quantise locked audio?
I dont have the phase locked audio option
is there any way to make cymbals sound less "choppy"? when I ride on crash cymbal it sounds a lil bit chopped up after I quantize it.
hey joshua, great tutorial but you have to set the snare and the bass drum track as a reference (only green Q button for those tracks). otherwise you will get phase issues cause the overhead mics should be a couple milliseconds behind the kick and snare and not on the same grid. keep doin your good work. cheers!
really lost, you say that slicing doesn't compress or expand the audio but they are showing white (Stretched) and blue (compressed) same with in my logic DAW. Can you explain?
It slices up the audio at the transients, then you move the slices to place, and then it artificially generates material between the slices. Rather than speeding up or slowing down the audio.
Is it possible to apply both Rhythmic AND Pitch in flex to one track? I have a bass part that needs a little quantize & tuning action THANK YOU
Unfortunately, not at the same time. What I would do is do the flex time adjustment, bounce the track in place, and then apply the flex pitch adjustment.
@@MusicTechHelpGuy Yeah that's what I was thinking but wanted to hear from someone more experienced than myself first - although maybe Logic should consider figuring out how to do this - that would be sweet huh?
Why do you have to edit the live drums as a group??? If a live piano was added then would you have to include that in the group edit? Or what about a beat pattern or sounds created in a midi instrument?
Live drums, yes. You want the various mics used to record the kit to stay in phase if you are using Flex Time. However, if you other instruments they do not need to be in the group.
MusicTechHelpGuy thank you!
awesome!
Yeeeeah I dont get the phase lock option for some reason. They must have changed it. I just get "quantized locked"
You're the man
how to quantize is perfect on grid, to sound robotic literaly?
how zoom on your mouse works, is it a plugging?
It's an app called Zoom It. It's like 2.99 from the Mac App Store.
MusicTechHelpGuy A question thats been lingering, now the answer. I didn't even realise I really wanted.
If there is a god, I'm pretty sure it's you.
Dude, switch off Q button from all trax and leave kick and snare drums switched in slicing mode. In your example you still have faser in your crash cymbals
Can someone tell me what the green "Q" button is?
Lance Cook The green "Q" tells Logic what to use as a transient guide to quantize the audio. So not to speak poorly of the poster of this video, because it is a great video, but he would have had better results by not including the overheads as a transient "Q". Since overheads are supposed to capture the entire kit, you are essentially telling logic to quantize all the transients in the overheads (the whole kit) as well as each individual close mics (which will have earlier transients than the overheads). This creates a problem obviously because the overheads will be slightly delayed compared to the close mics. An ideal way to quantize with flex time would be to pick your strongest transients, for example Kick and Snare, and if a significant feel of the song, the toms, (only the primary mics if using a multi-mic set up) as the "Q" and then run your quantize as MusicTechHelpGuy explains in the video. This allows you to preserve more of the audio naturally...Perhaps this was an over explanation, but I hope it helps.
Hi, thank you for the video.
I just want to ask you a question: when i edit with SLICING, many many many of the transient attacks gets cut off by a delayed marker. This translates in a "strange" attack sound
Apparently the only way to solve this problems is to manually move EVERY wrong transient.
And i can see that this is happening to you too in this video, even if the result is good and you don't get annoying attack sound.
Do you know any practical workaround for this?
Thank you
Yeah, the transients detected are really strange... somewhere between zero and when the signal reaches its peak, so when slicing you literally cut the signal in half. I only found half a workaround to this: in the audio editor (file editor) in transient mode right-click anywhere and select "choose zero-crossings"). You still have to find every cut transient by hand, but now you don't have to move them, simply clicking on a transient marker moves it to a zero-crossing
"pretty typical for drummers" It's true! I'm a drummer so I can say it