Funniest thing about the 'exposed' mechanic is that when you infest an enemy as Lifestealer (with Aghs), you do not expose them (literally the only place where Valve should've definitely enabled this mechanic). So if they go invis, you're left panicking about where your hero is, and while you still have some workarounds to focus your camera around your hero, your team is completely clueless about where their carry went.
funny thing about the shared vision that you didnt show us is Grimstroke Mars interaction. Example: Mars and grim are Radiant, Sniper is Dire. When Mars uses arena on Sniper, DIre no longer sees Sniper inside the arena, thats his Facet. But if Grim use the phantom bug on Sniper, All Dire start to see inside the arena because they see the phantom bug.
I love the Shared Vision mechanics, especially with the new facets like: Mar's ult facet, It's literally a funny thing to see when your team just vanishes and getting banged hard behind a wall. or Nightstalker's facet which vanishes your team and your vision of everyone which is scary, but cool
All this time I was trying to hide in the fog of war if the enemy Razor uses static link on me. Thank God I subscribed a long time ago to you my guy. I'm learning so much!
Q&A Question: What are your thoughts on Deadlock? And would you ever consider making other kinds of content (eg. Other games, or non-gaming stuff)? ( ur an amazing dotatuber we all appreciate the work u put out c: )
7:30 Prophet does some weird shit when she exposes with her life drain. Enemies will become exposed, but stand where you last saw them in fog. The life drain still accurately tracks, but you don't get the updated position.
Q&A: Did you do any testing/research into sounds vs fog? There are strange things happening with being able to hear some abilities in fog. It gets even stranges since the distance to your edge of fog seems to matter. You can create an enemy tiny bot and use avalance deep in fog and it wont be heard. Move the same avalance close to the edge of fog and now it can be heard.
Maybe it has to to with whether you can see avances or not idk. I have noticed this weird this too, sometimes it feels like I am heating sounds from way too far away... it desorients me. I think it used to be the case that you could hear things that are in close proximity to your screen, now it is as if sounds come from all across the map...
an interesting little detail about exposing effects is that they're mostly a workaround for how fog interacts with particle effects. particles are more than a bit infamous due to their bugginess with fog ( or, potentially, behaving so unintuitively that it _feels_ like a bug ), but as a general rule of thumb, a particle attached to a unit should share that unit's local visibility status, and a visible particle's control point attached to a unit should only update its local position when that unit is visible. or, to put it less technically, you shouldn't be able to see a unit by looking into fog and seeing a particle moving around - something like thunder strike should vanish with it into the fog, and something like life drain should only stick to the last place you saw the target but that can look real goofy, esp. with large, long-lasting visual effects like long-range homing projectiles and tethers. so a lot of abilities involving those will just throw in a shared vision or exposure effect to make sure the particles work right, since it's not like you wouldn't be able to track the unit via the particle if it worked without seeing the unit anyhow
Excellent video Adrian. I've noticed those strange behaviors you mentioned with PA or other heroes. For example I think when SB charges someone and they use shadowblade.
Did not know that phantom ebrase gives shared vission. All the other things I knew, I also think knowing what abilities are visable in fog of war like rain of destiny is much more useful than knowing where the phantom spots in roshes pits are. Yea dont rain of destiny while roshing fellow oracle enjoyers (unless ofcourse you know they know youre roshing, but you know you can take it before they can contest).
Played dota for 7 years and have never known that bane, bh and wyvern also have increased night vision. Also thx about shared vision skills list, though only spirit braker and sniper can share them
Q&A Question : Mars Blood Sport and Bristle Seeing Red Facets block allies vision of them but sometimes we get to see them in an awkward way (Beside putting ward on top of them) can you tell us on how it actually works? and possibly how to counter it especially for Support players that play Save heroes like Oracle, IO, omni, etc(Unit targeted) Also One more question, How to effectively trade with enemies on Laning phase when your enemy have more advantage and spike over you in lane? or what is the solution to recover from a hard lane before they took over the jungle? Would love to hear your response
You forgot the cm pet or armidillo exposing hero position through the fog of war, PA with her3 spell can be seen as a silhouette even when there are no enemies around.
EarthSpike : clicking on the ground instead of enemy while in the fog wont reveal your hero to enemy, same if u cast lina dragon slave or SD shadow Poison, just dont click enemy
You can right click on some creeps through fog of war and itll make an animation like youre clicking a unit or something but i dont think it registers an auto attack
6:19 Seeing Silencer's old E still there goes to show how massive 7.36/7 was, that the editors seemed to have given up trying. I hope it's not the case.
For the Q&A thing, I don't know if you did a vid on it already, but is there a way to quickly calculate when DPS is best increased through atk speed vs damage, and how BAT is factored? There hasn't been a dota 2 browser-based item calculator for close to a decade, so other than just testing exact specific things in demo mode, I feel at a loss what to choose sometimes in game, in the heat of it all...
great video bro! i had something in mind, i dunno if its related sometimes you can see enemies' abilities effect through fog of war, when they are taking roshan for example, does this has a distance condition or its global? there is the fountain which gives vision over it, once i saw bara charging over to onto a teammate, and you can still see the fountain animaiton when an enemy is channeling to get a lotus
Weird, I thought thunderstruck victim is meant to get targeted by other spell because target was getting exposed from lightning's flash. I guess the frog think it would be too broken having clear vision for several second
Q&A Question: Dazzle has an amazing facet - poison bloom. Unfortunately I have a problem with attack speed and range. What would be starting item if played support or hard support? Could you also suggest build and how to play dazzle? 🙌🏽
what about not having vision like inside of Mars arena or Nigth Stalker void and Riki's smokescreen? sometimes it shares vision and sometimes not. Can you fill this ones too thank you
Oh I never knew about caster vision for unit target spells, nice to know. Are you also visible on the minimap then btw? The shared vision list lacks bounty hunters track talent. If enemy has a gem and you have shared vision of them do you see their invis allies ?
some spells can be heard or seen inside FOW. I have over 10k games and this still confuses me. Underlord skill mostly can be seen if your camera directly on Underlord during his casting (or not?) please investigate> I always use this 'bug' to my advantage
Funniest thing about the 'exposed' mechanic is that when you infest an enemy as Lifestealer (with Aghs), you do not expose them (literally the only place where Valve should've definitely enabled this mechanic). So if they go invis, you're left panicking about where your hero is, and while you still have some workarounds to focus your camera around your hero, your team is completely clueless about where their carry went.
Gotta try this. Too hilarious.
100% AGREE, I infested once dragon knight and dude went invis to fountain. Had to get out to see where I'm getting taken
funny thing about the shared vision that you didnt show us is Grimstroke Mars interaction. Example: Mars and grim are Radiant, Sniper is Dire. When Mars uses arena on Sniper, DIre no longer sees Sniper inside the arena, thats his Facet. But if Grim use the phantom bug on Sniper, All Dire start to see inside the arena because they see the phantom bug.
might work with weaver mars too.
mars arena and ringmaster ult interaction is still fucky too.
Sounds like phantom isn’t a big because weavers swarm , that’s because it’s a actual unit with vision
I love the Shared Vision mechanics, especially with the new facets like:
Mar's ult facet, It's literally a funny thing to see when your team just vanishes and getting banged hard behind a wall.
or
Nightstalker's facet which vanishes your team and your vision of everyone which is scary, but cool
i hate that f ns facet Night Reign, wasted so many wards cos of that
I was here when subs were 1k, love to see the channel growing.
Cheers!
dude u deserve 30k...this video is beautiful and insightful...ty for the knowledge
All this time I was trying to hide in the fog of war if the enemy Razor uses static link on me. Thank God I subscribed a long time ago to you my guy. I'm learning so much!
Q&A Question: What are your thoughts on Deadlock? And would you ever consider making other kinds of content (eg. Other games, or non-gaming stuff)?
( ur an amazing dotatuber we all appreciate the work u put out c: )
Agree need solid channels to do Deadlock content
7:30 Prophet does some weird shit when she exposes with her life drain. Enemies will become exposed, but stand where you last saw them in fog.
The life drain still accurately tracks, but you don't get the updated position.
Dota is probably the most complex mmo ever
Eve online
@@onethegogd5783 Eve online is tedious, not complex. 😂
Justice for CRYSTAL MAIDEN GETTING REKT by primal
Didnt play dota anymore, but love watching these mechanics
Спасибо за разъяснение некоторых моментов, туман войны и способ его "игнорирования" весьма ОП умение.
Dude.. Good shit. Thanks
High level. A round of applause 👏🤙
3:12 Lore accurate CM
Q&A: Did you do any testing/research into sounds vs fog? There are strange things happening with being able to hear some abilities in fog. It gets even stranges since the distance to your edge of fog seems to matter. You can create an enemy tiny bot and use avalance deep in fog and it wont be heard. Move the same avalance close to the edge of fog and now it can be heard.
Maybe it has to to with whether you can see avances or not idk. I have noticed this weird this too, sometimes it feels like I am heating sounds from way too far away... it desorients me. I think it used to be the case that you could hear things that are in close proximity to your screen, now it is as if sounds come from all across the map...
i play dota 20 years didn’t know this
nice job adrian !💪🏻
keep going 😊
an interesting little detail about exposing effects is that they're mostly a workaround for how fog interacts with particle effects. particles are more than a bit infamous due to their bugginess with fog ( or, potentially, behaving so unintuitively that it _feels_ like a bug ), but as a general rule of thumb, a particle attached to a unit should share that unit's local visibility status, and a visible particle's control point attached to a unit should only update its local position when that unit is visible. or, to put it less technically, you shouldn't be able to see a unit by looking into fog and seeing a particle moving around - something like thunder strike should vanish with it into the fog, and something like life drain should only stick to the last place you saw the target
but that can look real goofy, esp. with large, long-lasting visual effects like long-range homing projectiles and tethers. so a lot of abilities involving those will just throw in a shared vision or exposure effect to make sure the particles work right, since it's not like you wouldn't be able to track the unit via the particle if it worked without seeing the unit anyhow
Great video
Excellent video Adrian. I've noticed those strange behaviors you mentioned with PA or other heroes. For example I think when SB charges someone and they use shadowblade.
Nice! Did not know about the shared vision!
YOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
Best video ever made
Make a video on spectres dispersion - thats a super complex topic!
"good luck getting that high attack range/cast range", techies with 700 attack speed plus hurricane pike and telescope with 1st facet be like.
Did not know that phantom ebrase gives shared vission. All the other things I knew, I also think knowing what abilities are visable in fog of war like rain of destiny is much more useful than knowing where the phantom spots in roshes pits are. Yea dont rain of destiny while roshing fellow oracle enjoyers (unless ofcourse you know they know youre roshing, but you know you can take it before they can contest).
Played dota for 7 years and have never known that bane, bh and wyvern also have increased night vision. Also thx about shared vision skills list, though only spirit braker and sniper can share them
Great video!
Great content! Thanks
Besides the great video you got a really good thumblain
love ur vids dude
I remember that slardars ult used to give shared vision. Was so strong
Same with track from BH
@@WorldEdit-pi still does have shared vision just need to take the talent for it
It doesn't give shared vision anymore?
Q&A Question : Mars Blood Sport and Bristle Seeing Red Facets block allies vision of them but sometimes we get to see them in an awkward way (Beside putting ward on top of them) can you tell us on how it actually works? and possibly how to counter it especially for Support players that play Save heroes like Oracle, IO, omni, etc(Unit targeted)
Also One more question, How to effectively trade with enemies on Laning phase when your enemy have more advantage and spike over you in lane? or what is the solution to recover from a hard lane before they took over the jungle?
Would love to hear your response
You forgot the cm pet or armidillo exposing hero position through the fog of war, PA with her3 spell can be seen as a silhouette even when there are no enemies around.
Thanks papa adrian
the enemy once used phantom vision to juke 3 heroes on our team. we had to clue where he even went and we thought he tped base in a milisecond
EarthSpike : clicking on the ground instead of enemy while in the fog wont reveal your hero to enemy, same if u cast lina dragon slave or SD shadow Poison, just dont click enemy
Good information
You can right click on some creeps through fog of war and itll make an animation like youre clicking a unit or something but i dont think it registers an auto attack
6:19 Seeing Silencer's old E still there goes to show how massive 7.36/7 was, that the editors seemed to have given up trying. I hope it's not the case.
Liquipedia is the new dota 2 wiki. It got revamped recently, use it to learn about the mechanics.
dota 2 wiki is severely outdated. I heard its something about them moving to League wiki? Correct me if I'm wrong
@@sohanbiswas3647 haven't really checked that out other than the eSports stuff. Has it properly caught up to the latest patches, though?
2:00 I assume dazzle sceptre is the same as hoodwink even if you target friendly minions first
For the Q&A thing, I don't know if you did a vid on it already, but is there a way to quickly calculate when DPS is best increased through atk speed vs damage, and how BAT is factored? There hasn't been a dota 2 browser-based item calculator for close to a decade, so other than just testing exact specific things in demo mode, I feel at a loss what to choose sometimes in game, in the heat of it all...
Spectral dagger also exposes invisible units
great video bro!
i had something in mind, i dunno if its related
sometimes you can see enemies' abilities effect through fog of war, when they are taking roshan for example, does this has a distance condition or its global?
there is the fountain which gives vision over it, once i saw bara charging over to onto a teammate, and you can still see the fountain animaiton when an enemy is channeling to get a lotus
Also Specter's dagger reveals the silhouette along it's path
Weird, I thought thunderstruck victim is meant to get targeted by other spell because target was getting exposed from lightning's flash. I guess the frog think it would be too broken having clear vision for several second
Q&A Question: Dazzle has an amazing facet - poison bloom. Unfortunately I have a problem with attack speed and range. What would be starting item if played support or hard support? Could you also suggest build and how to play dazzle? 🙌🏽
is last word still apply shared vision - even though they reworked it as passive aura now that applies only when in it's aura range?
Is pugna position can be seen when he drains from his ward in smoke? Is there any smoke related features of game engine?
Q & A How visage & oracle abilities work?
Do the one-sided gates have vision blockers?
Such smart Very Content
wish you explained the abilities which pierce the fog of war like the bull whip animation
what about MK tree vision, sometime i got caught even when they not have highground vision, is it just bug or something else?
what about not having vision like inside of Mars arena or Nigth Stalker void and Riki's smokescreen? sometimes it shares vision and sometimes not. Can you fill this ones too thank you
Razors link also silhouettes the target of they arr invis. He wont hit them but u can follow them, always carry dust.
Oh I never knew about caster vision for unit target spells, nice to know. Are you also visible on the minimap then btw? The shared vision list lacks bounty hunters track talent. If enemy has a gem and you have shared vision of them do you see their invis allies ?
can you do a video about minus armor and stackability mechanism, especially in the early game
q&a question: wyverns ult winters cure and the different durations it has. still dont know what and how influences the duration of the ult...
Wow had no idea sniper could shoot and not expose in fog... a lot of things are making more sense now....
Spectre dagger also exposes
Havent played dota in long time but
Maybe cause pugnas life drain used to give true sight on the one getting succed
Q&A Question: How to bee so cool and awesome like you??
another phantom spot was on the radiant fountain on the right side
Do one on fog juking pls
Invoker casting alacrity from fog to golems who are in vision does it reveal him ?
Why does skywrath spell not show sky in fog of war?
can you do guide video about hotkeys in Dota 2?
R.I.P Last Word
keep it up
How find match works?
Sometimes i see aoe skills inside fog when me and my team are far away from them. Is that a bug
yes, it’s a long-standing bug
i'd like a vid on Nullifier if u are looking on something to work on =)
BH track shared vision is good
I think QOP Shadow Strike is an Exposing ability too, im right?
Omg bh and bat have reduced night vision? Now I now, thanks ! 😬
bh has 1000 night vision default is 800
Root mechanic gives you vision on invisible unit
when to pull and when to not, and when to stack and when to not?
some spells can be heard or seen inside FOW. I have over 10k games and this still confuses me. Underlord skill mostly can be seen if your camera directly on Underlord during his casting (or not?) please investigate> I always use this 'bug' to my advantage
Q&A Question: ¿Cómo funciona el machmaking? gracias.
thnx
how about when you can see peoples skills in fog, like pugna's Q or meybe creeps dying, is it a bug, or is there a mechanic behind? Great vid btw
yes, it’s a long-standing bug
Thanks brother ~ not yet see but thanks 1st
good vid
life drain grants true sight. juat weird like that
Weird? Lol😂😂
Its intentional
@@Non-Exist3ntas in different from the other spells that just reveals the location of invisible units, or in general.
nice
10/10
share vision is new from this patch
even 20years exp dota player is new to this gimmick
whaaaaat? you can click earth spike just like spectre's dagger?? my life will never be the same...
But not nyx's
@@xtianebernal makes sense you cant block or reflect it, well earth spike now too, but that new
how actually bounty counts (not bounty hunter)
can I add you on DotA 2? Q&A comment
Ohhh
How do I quit playing Dota?
I am addicted help!!!
3:09 man this is such a classic moment I constantly get killed like that screw mr beast
Q&A QUESTION: HOW TO GET A GF
3st
good vid