Well, some are victims of deceiving and some are very aware of MJ12. It's shown in some conversations some of them question various things, like how question the reason why their ordered to let a "civilian" in the Silo. However in Paris, Area 51 and Submarine base it's very apparent a lot of MJ12 troopers are very aware of what Majestic 12 is planning, and mercilessly fight for them.
Even though *Hela was a minor character, I love the attention to detail all over the catacombs that provides some insight on her job. So for whatever reason, I tranquilize Helen on every run.
Nothing like a little dissent to make you feel guilty about killing soldiers, I wonder how many quit UNATCO to join the NSF inspired by the Denton brothers.
I always liked how varied and realistic the MJ12 troopers and commandos were when they spoke. It shows they aren't indoctrinated into MJ12 as if it were a mystery religion yet like the MIBs/WIBs, and they all think they work for a legitimate secret government organization rather than a private corporation run entirely by Bob Page. Troopers can get Commando rank and armor from simply serving in the field and showing aptitude, and once they become Commandos or are training to become Commandos they are introduced to the sinister background of MJ12 through guarding their secret facilities and gazing upon some of their experiments (think the glass hallway above the Gray on the table in the Versalife MJ12 labs). Then, if they show a desire to learn more about the secrets they see and a willingness to go along with the evil things MJ12 does, they get made into MIBs by having their names taken from them, having nanoaugmentations put into them so they turn into some kind of inhuman being that can only work for MJ12 for the rest of their life, and getting brainwashed along with the implants so that they lose all sense of self and morality ("giving up Body and Soul" as the MJ12 security clearances are explained in a mystical way).
Because they actually are based on the real life majestic 12 the devs must know some deep stuff cus this stuff was only recently declassified this game from 2001 knew about it…
this thing chafes like a mother! there's another one: ...think you OWN us. fact: the secretary that trooper talks to has lines that's supposed to be triggered when she sees JC.
@Gamezpussy I thought it was the MJ12 troop being sarcastic. Or it was written to be but the actor didn't read it right. It's like: "The pale woman Israeli woman with all the heavy augmentation told me to stand this post." "Agent Anna Navarre?" "No! Gunther Hermann!"
@RescoeZ One way to do it is to use a code to change your alliance so the characters won't be hostile to you. E.g., set jcdentonmale alliance neutral . They're set to be hostile to player .
just regular people who were in the wrong place at the wrong time... they saw some nice job ad that paid well, no questions asked, no family/friends etc big trips... they didn't had any idea what they were going to do... or what would happen to them.
You're actually right. In France you can read a diary in the cathedral where a MJ12 trooper talks about being hired into a "private security company" but he suspects that something is amiss when they don't ask about his dishonorable discharge. Plus a couple in the Paris hostel(or maybe it's the cafe) where you can get Gunther's killphrase from Jaime Reyes, there is a family with who lament that their oldest son, Michel, is playing at being soldier to make a few dollars to support the family. His dad gives you the Michel's login so you don't need to hack the computer. I always feel kind of bad since Michel's mother weeps and begs you not to kill her son since they all look alike in their uniforms. ;_; I make sure to use tranqs in my crossbow and gas grenades on MJ12 troops in the area, especially since Michel's little brother is in the cafe too. ^_^
@@llVIU Plus there is another journal as well that references Gunther. The trooper says that he's "seen some stone-cold guys in the service, but this guy got's murder on his mind." He goes on to say that during his 10-12 hour patrol, that Gunther didn't even move, he just "stands there like a bot" and that another trooper though he heard Gunther crying.
@@ragingjaguarknight86 But the diary in France refers to the others as "zombies in black" so I wonder if he really was one of the MJ12 troops. I wonder how much they know? One of the biggest flaws in the original Deus Ex to me was that you have a literal army of people in on the conspiracy. Rule number 1 of the conspiracy is that you keep it between as few people as possible.
@Dennis-nc3vw the mj12 troopers aren't aware of the whole conspiracy and actual size of the organization. All of the info is given out on an as needed basis. Plus in the journal, the trooper wrote that he should have been worried about the job when they didn't ask about his less than honorable discharge. Some think they're working for a private security company and/or are peacekeepers. One French couple in Paris even says how their oldest son got a "security" job as a trooper but doesn't like how the leadership is anonymous.
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Two words: New York City
*Facepalm*
***** dude's drunk. look at the forty oz on the table lol
***** the best was "guy in a coat im checking it out!", "Bogey" "Its Denton remember the briefing"
a1337turtle What a shame
Robin MX Do you have a single fact to back that up?
MJ12 trooper: Are we the baddies?
Well, some are victims of deceiving and some are very aware of MJ12. It's shown in some conversations some of them question various things, like how question the reason why their ordered to let a "civilian" in the Silo. However in Paris, Area 51 and Submarine base it's very apparent a lot of MJ12 troopers are very aware of what Majestic 12 is planning, and mercilessly fight for them.
Even though *Hela was a minor character, I love the attention to detail all over the catacombs that provides some insight on her job. So for whatever reason, I tranquilize Helen on every run.
I always tranq the MIB and WIB.
HELLA. You mean...
@@norbucso Sorry, autocorrect. Also this was three years ago lol.
@@olivius8891 No problem mate. I was sure it was. It's our days plague. I wouldn't be surprise if a war would start because of it. 😅
@@norbucso no, it’s hela with a single l
This guy must be some kind of mech
"something creeps me out about hella i dont know"
"shes from high command their all like that"
lmao
i love this game
@flamethrower burn baby burn! what do you mean ?
The voice acting in Deus Ex is awesome. And these conversations really immerse you further into the game world. Thanks for uploading!
Nothing like a little dissent to make you feel guilty about killing soldiers, I wonder how many quit UNATCO to join the NSF inspired by the Denton brothers.
Diogenes Laertius you are soo cool. Never thought that
@Hellcat2 Most woke game ever!
@@warnegoodman You're a fool.
@@warnegoodman fy slave of the new world order
2:15 2 words... I thought you guys were supposed to value intellect?
"Knowledge itself is power"
They think knowledge is power. Do you think they want their grunts to have a lot of power?
I love that Echelon IV part. It's connected to Morpheus. Also, Echelon exists, I wonder how much they know about all of us...
I always liked how varied and realistic the MJ12 troopers and commandos were when they spoke. It shows they aren't indoctrinated into MJ12 as if it were a mystery religion yet like the MIBs/WIBs, and they all think they work for a legitimate secret government organization rather than a private corporation run entirely by Bob Page.
Troopers can get Commando rank and armor from simply serving in the field and showing aptitude, and once they become Commandos or are training to become Commandos they are introduced to the sinister background of MJ12 through guarding their secret facilities and gazing upon some of their experiments (think the glass hallway above the Gray on the table in the Versalife MJ12 labs).
Then, if they show a desire to learn more about the secrets they see and a willingness to go along with the evil things MJ12 does, they get made into MIBs by having their names taken from them, having nanoaugmentations put into them so they turn into some kind of inhuman being that can only work for MJ12 for the rest of their life, and getting brainwashed along with the implants so that they lose all sense of self and morality ("giving up Body and Soul" as the MJ12 security clearances are explained in a mystical way).
Because they actually are based on the real life majestic 12 the devs must know some deep stuff cus this stuff was only recently declassified this game from 2001 knew about it…
I like how the MJ12 guys have mean voices, compared to other human NPCS.
They seem like pretty cool guys
but bravery still isn't a function of firepower
AIY SPEEL MAI DREENK
Two Words: New York City
They are truly... Majestic.
At least they're not of the cold, gruff, and extremely ruthless personality. That way, I never feared them as I originally thought.
this thing chafes like a mother!
there's another one: ...think you OWN us.
fact: the secretary that trooper talks to has lines that's supposed to be triggered when she sees JC.
"As long as I'm with you."
-Proceeds to walk away
@Gamezpussy I thought it was the MJ12 troop being sarcastic. Or it was written to be but the actor didn't read it right.
It's like:
"The pale woman Israeli woman with all the heavy augmentation told me to stand this post."
"Agent Anna Navarre?"
"No! Gunther Hermann!"
@RescoeZ mj12 make denton feel like a super soldier and makes u feel awesome
There's only 2 people in MJ12
I can hear four actors.
@RescoeZ One way to do it is to use a code to change your alliance so the characters won't be hostile to you. E.g., set jcdentonmale alliance neutral . They're set to be hostile to player .
0:30
I wonder why it says "DMG" on their helmets.
That's why I always tried the non-letal methods first.
'I would watch what I say about Bob Page........'
At least SOMEONE inside MJ12 has a brain besides Bob!!
@RescoeZ Thank you, thank you, you are an angel!
the one at area51 is missing
@Archangel3583 I cannot remember if I used a cheat code or if there's an option in the Deus Ex map editor. Probably a cheat code of sorts.
@Andrewx51 I wasn't aware of one at Area 51. Where does it occur?
RescoeZ yes
Guard says 2 words: New York City .... That's 3 words
If you leave a comment and it says "What a shame" then I shall delete it. We get it, stop spamming it everywhere.
RescoeZ what a shame.
what a shame
what a shame
two words: what a shame.
what a shame
How were you able to get close without them going hostile? It doesn't look like your cloak augmentation is on, and there's no thermaoptic camo.
he used the invisibility cheat
Or changed their allegiance on the editor. Either way, RescoeZ doesn't know anymore.
how did you get so close without them going hostile?
+Christopher Ryan I can't quite remember if it was a cheat code or if I changed their allegiances in the map editor.
Ocean Lab Complex.
@RescoeZ Cant remember what exacly but surely something bout greys
just regular people who were in the wrong place at the wrong time... they saw some nice job ad that paid well, no questions asked, no family/friends etc big trips... they didn't had any idea what they were going to do... or what would happen to them.
You're actually right. In France you can read a diary in the cathedral where a MJ12 trooper talks about being hired into a "private security company" but he suspects that something is amiss when they don't ask about his dishonorable discharge. Plus a couple in the Paris hostel(or maybe it's the cafe) where you can get Gunther's killphrase from Jaime Reyes, there is a family with who lament that their oldest son, Michel, is playing at being soldier to make a few dollars to support the family. His dad gives you the Michel's login so you don't need to hack the computer. I always feel kind of bad since Michel's mother weeps and begs you not to kill her son since they all look alike in their uniforms. ;_; I make sure to use tranqs in my crossbow and gas grenades on MJ12 troops in the area, especially since Michel's little brother is in the cafe too. ^_^
@@ragingjaguarknight86 interesting...
@@llVIU Plus there is another journal as well that references Gunther. The trooper says that he's "seen some stone-cold guys in the service, but this guy got's murder on his mind." He goes on to say that during his 10-12 hour patrol, that Gunther didn't even move, he just "stands there like a bot" and that another trooper though he heard Gunther crying.
@@ragingjaguarknight86 But the diary in France refers to the others as "zombies in black" so I wonder if he really was one of the MJ12 troops.
I wonder how much they know? One of the biggest flaws in the original Deus Ex to me was that you have a literal army of people in on the conspiracy. Rule number 1 of the conspiracy is that you keep it between as few people as possible.
@Dennis-nc3vw the mj12 troopers aren't aware of the whole conspiracy and actual size of the organization. All of the info is given out on an as needed basis. Plus in the journal, the trooper wrote that he should have been worried about the job when they didn't ask about his less than honorable discharge. Some think they're working for a private security company and/or are peacekeepers. One French couple in Paris even says how their oldest son got a "security" job as a trooper but doesn't like how the leadership is anonymous.
MJ12 troopers had some of the better voiceacting.
Awesome
what a dame. what? the chick at the beginning has nice gams!
@Swarmzzz LOL
Why don't the troops attack you on sight? Are you cloaked? It doesn't seem you are...LOL.
My gameplay is augmented.
*2 years late, but it's cause he's most likely using the "invisible 1" cheat. So yeah, technically his gameplay is augmented.
why did they change the codes?!?
Maybe you should get a job