I’m late, but consider that there are police officers and doctors who abuse their power too, but that does not mean that society should be protected by a random group of people pretending to be them.
@biggs949597 s I've been a teacher for 25 years. I'm teaching kids aged 6 to 18. I'm also gay. Please tell me how that was to the detriment of my students.
@biggs949597 s OK, out of curiosity, I took a look at your profile and the playlists you created. To name just a few: "Jews", "white guy ban", "white strength", "blacks suck", and lots and lots of videos about weightlifting. I get the picture.
Every argument she uses could have been used only a few decades to argue for why interracial marriage was wrong. Mixed race kids get bullied, it was a social experiment, think about the children, etc.
People keep talking about how bad it is to deprive a child of their mother. I can fully get behind that - but I think that's a totally different debate isn't it and irrelevant to gay couples raising children? Do specifically gay couples bar birth mothers and children from seeing each other? Doesn't the same rule apply to any parent who adopts? Maybe I'm missing something here.
Can this lady even believe her own reasoning? The fact that gay couples should or for that matter shouldn't be allowed to raise children, is a separate one from saying that children raised without a mother (or a father) would be better of worse... Ending by damning all sodomites - of which the actual definition is: people that indulge in sexual activities other than procreation. Which is not only homosexual people or people with an entirely different sexual orientation - is just ridiculous isn't it? It really drives home the fact that you haven't got any better arguments... Sad fact since though the rest of the debate was harsh at points, it was pretty much civil to a certain extent.
Has she gone to an Oxford debate while pissed? She seems drunk 🥴 it’s just pretend, he wants to be a pretend farther, and he wants to be a pretend farther, it’s tragic… NOOOO!!! ReMEmbEr!
2:45 How is that wicked? You don't necessarily need a female in a household to make the child happy and that is proven by the thousands of kids who love their only male or only female families. Besides, a kid isn't the main point of marriage. If marriage even has any point at all, then it's love, not the production of another human being. You can choose to have kids and you can not, it's your choice.
It is true that kids do love their parent, but that does not justify the entire argument. In the long run, it has been proven so many times over that children are generally going to be better off with their mother and their father, all things being even. Whether they have a single parent or have been adopted by gay “parents”, they will always be the most well off in life with the mother and the father present in a ideal living situation. I personally feel indifferent towards the whole marriage thing, because it has lost all meaning anyway if people get divorced and have marriage between gays and all. I still do not support the idea of gays, single people or people living in an unusual way adopting children. The idea is to provide them with a normal life, not one where they become a burden and are used as a shrill of the LGBT agenda.
@@cletusj.johnson1850 What's so unusual about two people of the same gender? In the majority of gay relationships, there is still a more effeminate guy and a more masculine guy. Not every gay couple will want to use their kids "as a shrill of the LGBT agenda". Also, please provide the sources of the studies that show straight couples raise better kids as opposed to gay people.
After watching this whole debate I found it funny that Crawford Jamison's first points about what the opposition was going to say were chastised by the bigots in the room, but at the same time they fell into the trap of every single point he made. One by one, it was like watching a train wreck happening in slow motion. It just goes to show that the opposition has no brain for which to think, and has a huge inability to reason.
It's a shame, the 2nd opposition speaker was fairly reasonable, the 1st and 3rd were a bit iffy and confused but then this woman just completely blew it up and fucked it for all of them
OMG! I LOVE and HATE this woman. I find what she said absolutely repulsing, but she said it in such a generously wicked way, that I can't help but love the evil. I don't know... it's like watching a movie with a cool super villain.
Same! I found myself thinking, "what would I say if I had a knee-jerk reaction to stand up and say something." I realized I would ask her if she's okay o_O
I feel sorry for the people who argued on her side previously... they were trying to be empirical and reasonable about it (though i still disagree with their conclusions) and this is what is to finish their side of the debate...
Really? You're really going to take the "personal selfishness" stance? How dare you. How dare you label the want for equal familial opportunities and rights for the gay community as selfish. Would you say a woman who requires fertility treatment that she's selfish because nature determined she is unable to give birth? Belittling the arguments of the gay community and dismissing them as selfish is not only incredibly ignorant but it is an emotional attack implying that homosexuality is unnatural.
Does she have to say everything with such hatred and vehemence in her voice? It genuinely undercuts her points with a bias, however weak those points are anyway.
Unfortunately freedom of speech allows people like these flaunting their idiocy to be featured by one of the most prestigious institutions in the world.
yes i do agree on the fact that they are our biological parents, the fact that she gave us birth, we owe it to them. what about those who dont know their parents. they are in the orphans waiting to be adopted with the lovingof parents and capable ones. if the homosexual parents are willing to provide what a child needs, why dont we support them to do so, and let the poor unfortunate children have their better lives and opportunities for the future.
You can see the crazy without even listening to this creature. She starts talking about "nature" without realizing that homosexuality is found in a number of different species. Got to about 1:00 couldn't get any further!
Wasn't expecting that, Very entertaining, However she did say what many people on the opposition thought. The gays keep going on about their rights and what they want, But the rights, wants and the well being of the children is far more important.
You just made my point, you used the word "want" the same things others have. you're position or demands does not come out of any need. It is simply a desire to have a child by any means I can afford. Also having a child is not a "right" given by anybody. I would also add that "marriage" is defined by a deity, do you except that as well and all that comes with it, or just the parts you like?
bigbreadeaterellis she's not standing up for what is right. She's spouting out the same bullshit redoric that conservatives have been saying for years! And none of the things she's saying is helping her argument. All she did was spill out the whole "nature vs nurture" argument that has be raging for decades! There is 0 evidence that parents raised by gay parents are unable to have normal lives than if they were raised by straight parents. Thats not an opinion, that is a fact.
But would you not agree that there is something very wrong when heterosexual parents for one reason or another give up their responsibility for raising their children and is taken up by homosexuals? Also if homosexuals want to be parents the price of that is to be 'heterosexual' and that is a ' fact'.
bigbreadeaterellis well as a homosexual I would have to disagree. And actually that is not a fact. Do you know how many kids are given up for adoption every year? And half of them never find forever families because people like this woman and you would rather them stay a foster care system that is so distinctional and underfunded that most kids either runaway, become homeless, are given to abusive foster families, or worse. All because people dont have enough common sense to allow two people who love each other to raise a family by adopting. So no, the idea that the only way someone can have kids is to raise them biologically, is rediculous and illogical. Especially since the divorce rate among heterosexual marriages are much higher than that of homosexual, and a vast majority of families nowadays are single parent families (gay and straight).
Look at poor Hargreaves at 06:31 & 06.34 ! He turnes as far away from Burrows as he can on the bench and his smile isn't a very happy one. Can't blame him - I wouldn't be please to be on her team either. Is she sober?!
Nice slippery slope fallacy. Your apparent need to use transfer propaganda suggests that you lack any decent arguments against same-sex parenting itself and so must instead resort to sullying it by comparison with something else altogether.
The little gay boy who embarrassed himself when he talked to George Galloway about Hugo Chavez is in the audience too, but doesn't dare to object towards her, although that woman is really anti-gay. What a little coward.
as evidence proves, Civil unions are separate and unequal in many ways. For families there should be one law to protect them, marriage, and not separate and unequal laws telling some families they are less than, or do not deserve to call themselves married.
I would also add, everything you just stated was based on an emotional response and not anything else. you tried to make it a "moral outrage" when nothing I said had anything to do with ones morality or behavior.
Marriage is not defined by a Deity, the type of marriages we know today were created by pagans to protect themselves from the persecution of the state. Today it is a civil contract with a very powerful name and message. Also, there are many deities that support same sex marriage that dont include Yahweh.
I see where this leading anyways. Your wanting the status of "marriage" over civil union, which would give you legal standing in a court of law. This would allow you to bring a case to court, if any church, group or religious institute refused to perform it. you would in essence be "forcing" your will one someone because they disagree for what ever reason to perform it. If your wanting the same rights for wills, insurance coverage, tax right off, business, civil union covers that.
@@user-xy4ff5yp7b You woke wanker school child.. My Gay friends would kick your ass.. As they say they same thing...And they hate you people. As you draw to much attention to them with your activist horse shit.. And the UK.. The arm pit of Europe..
@@WizzRacing They have internalised homophobia then if they’re gay but hate the very people advocating for their rights and freedoms. But turns out you were wrong, no one’s been forced to marry gay people!
What a sinister woman. I would rather be one of those babies brought up with no human contact than by this hideous being. Baby P I doubt would agree that just because he has a man and a woman as parents then everything is "right".
You're confusing me, you're claiming marriage is not defined by a deity. then you're saying other "deities" support same sex marriage? I would add the known writing, defining marriage as well divorce was from God to the Jews, unless you can find earlier ones. I have no idea where you think marriage was created to stop persecution. please document where unmarried people were persecuted.
no I am not trying to be confusing. After marriage became a word, and matrimony became a word, western cultures started using it. However, what we would see as marriages in ancient times, with different cultures worshiped deities that, in their religion and culture, supported. Also the word divorce for ending a marriage is not from Yahweh. As for documentation about marriage by pagans start by reading the book. Committed by Elizabeth Gilbert.
Had read the transcript of this online some weeks ago but, having watched the recording, now know that words on a screen couldn't begin to do justice to this shrieking, slurring, wild-eyed little tragedy of a performance. A complete own goal. I should think it unlikely that Burrows herself will be looking back on this one with much pride.
I respect her courage to express her views to the sheeple. There are areas of truth on both sides, its not all black and white. A Father and Mother is the ideal setup, but if that cant happen, then full support to gay couples who are fit to care for the child. Just my thoughts
+Jeremiah North Trouble is, when somebody chooses to express their views like this - yelling, sounding drunk, "bloody gays" this, "sodomites" that - it is impossible to take them seriously. Of course it isn't all black and white, but nothing courageous about making such a pathetic spectacle of one's self.
That's what I was thinking too. Gosh, I know a few elderly people here in Kansas who don't even think that way about gay people. I guess the UK isn't as progressive as I'd thought.
The "pretend" parents argument was ridiculous. I know of real parents who should never have been allowed to raise children.
I know a guy ,you know a guy, he knows a guy ..etc not a solid argument either
everything about this si ridiculous
I’m late, but consider that there are police officers and doctors who abuse their power too, but that does not mean that society should be protected by a random group of people pretending to be them.
What a despicable human being.
@biggs949597 s I've been a teacher for 25 years. I'm teaching kids aged 6 to 18. I'm also gay. Please tell me how that was to the detriment of my students.
@biggs949597 s OK, out of curiosity, I took a look at your profile and the playlists you created. To name just a few: "Jews", "white guy ban", "white strength", "blacks suck", and lots and lots of videos about weightlifting.
I get the picture.
Every argument she uses could have been used only a few decades to argue for why interracial marriage was wrong. Mixed race kids get bullied, it was a social experiment, think about the children, etc.
You can polish a turd, but you can always put some glitter on it xx
Everyone's faces are just like 'Oh my god.'
Closing with this hateful gal? How in the world was she chosen? Looks like the fix was in on this "debate."
She should never have been invited to speak.
I sincerely hope she's not a mother to any poor sod/s...
Was this woman planted by the side of the proposition!? I cannot imagine she possibly believes she is helping her case.
People keep talking about how bad it is to deprive a child of their mother. I can fully get behind that - but I think that's a totally different debate isn't it and irrelevant to gay couples raising children? Do specifically gay couples bar birth mothers and children from seeing each other? Doesn't the same rule apply to any parent who adopts? Maybe I'm missing something here.
I’m quite late, but beign able to see them occasionally and actually being raised by them is very different. That’s the argument they are saying
@@cletusj.johnson1850 but then that should apply to all the adopted parents regardless of the gender
Can this lady even believe her own reasoning? The fact that gay couples should or for that matter shouldn't be allowed to raise children, is a separate one from saying that children raised without a mother (or a father) would be better of worse...
Ending by damning all sodomites - of which the actual definition is: people that indulge in sexual activities other than procreation. Which is not only homosexual people or people with an entirely different sexual orientation - is just ridiculous isn't it? It really drives home the fact that you haven't got any better arguments... Sad fact since though the rest of the debate was harsh at points, it was pretty much civil to a certain extent.
wow. Speechless. Whatta fucking disgrace, how do people like this still exist?
Has she gone to an Oxford debate while pissed? She seems drunk
🥴 it’s just pretend, he wants to be a pretend farther, and he wants to be a pretend farther, it’s tragic… NOOOO!!! ReMEmbEr!
Shes obviously drunk :D
Damn! I can't believe you ended this debate on a cliff-hanger as big as this!!! I'm in hysterics! Release part 9!!!
2:45 How is that wicked? You don't necessarily need a female in a household to make the child happy and that is proven by the thousands of kids who love their only male or only female families. Besides, a kid isn't the main point of marriage. If marriage even has any point at all, then it's love, not the production of another human being. You can choose to have kids and you can not, it's your choice.
It is true that kids do love their parent, but that does not justify the entire argument. In the long run, it has been proven so many times over that children are generally going to be better off with their mother and their father, all things being even. Whether they have a single parent or have been adopted by gay “parents”, they will always be the most well off in life with the mother and the father present in a ideal living situation. I personally feel indifferent towards the whole marriage thing, because it has lost all meaning anyway if people get divorced and have marriage between gays and all. I still do not support the idea of gays, single people or people living in an unusual way adopting children. The idea is to provide them with a normal life, not one where they become a burden and are used as a shrill of the LGBT agenda.
@@cletusj.johnson1850 What's so unusual about two people of the same gender? In the majority of gay relationships, there is still a more effeminate guy and a more masculine guy. Not every gay couple will want to use their kids "as a shrill of the LGBT agenda". Also, please provide the sources of the studies that show straight couples raise better kids as opposed to gay people.
The birth of karens
After watching this whole debate I found it funny that Crawford Jamison's first points about what the opposition was going to say were chastised by the bigots in the room, but at the same time they fell into the trap of every single point he made. One by one, it was like watching a train wreck happening in slow motion. It just goes to show that the opposition has no brain for which to think, and has a huge inability to reason.
Gay rights is more than just marriage and children. I don't know why the debate was given such a general title.
I don't agree with a word this woman has said, but damn is she entertaining!
Its her opinion.
Let it be as such.
She was talking about Children, Not Homosexuals specifically.
Who let her in?
+Akshay Kundu She seriously needs help.
It's a shame, the 2nd opposition speaker was fairly reasonable, the 1st and 3rd were a bit iffy and confused but then this woman just completely blew it up and fucked it for all of them
absolutely
Too much chardonnay, clearly. Someone who acts like a histrionic alcoholic mother is lecturing other people on parenting?
Its better to have two "pretend" parents than to have her as ur mother
I love her she thinks both groups are dumb
dang! that was the most entertaining part of the whole thing LOLOL
coming to a debate inebriated by alcohol is not a way to win the debate.... what a pathetic sight.
What a ghastly, aggressive, repugnant and self-righteous person the speaker appears to be.
OMG! I LOVE and HATE this woman. I find what she said absolutely repulsing, but she said it in such a generously wicked way, that I can't help but love the evil. I don't know... it's like watching a movie with a cool super villain.
***** I could see her as Trumps Vice President, couldn't you?
FRED PHELPS IN A FUCKING WIG!!!!!
i always go back to watch this for a good laugh
jesus that was aggresive
what the fuck is up with this whole "pretend" shit
@@joshnanya1595 dunno either
I low-key feel sad for that woman
Same! I found myself thinking, "what would I say if I had a knee-jerk reaction to stand up and say something." I realized I would ask her if she's okay o_O
I feel sorry for the people who argued on her side previously... they were trying to be empirical and reasonable about it (though i still disagree with their conclusions) and this is what is to finish their side of the debate...
Really? You're really going to take the "personal selfishness" stance? How dare you. How dare you label the want for equal familial opportunities and rights for the gay community as selfish. Would you say a woman who requires fertility treatment that she's selfish because nature determined she is unable to give birth? Belittling the arguments of the gay community and dismissing them as selfish is not only incredibly ignorant but it is an emotional attack implying that homosexuality is unnatural.
Does she have to say everything with such hatred and vehemence in her voice? It genuinely undercuts her points with a bias, however weak those points are anyway.
Reminds me of bellatrix
This was (almost) as good as Absolutely Fabulous. lmao!
Where can you see who wins these debates?
This gave me a good laugh
why on earth you should be reasonable and empirical and to bring stupid documented data on something that is fundamental in your life, mother.
Unfortunately freedom of speech allows people like these flaunting their idiocy to be featured by one of the most prestigious institutions in the world.
yes i do agree on the fact that they are our biological parents, the fact that she gave us birth, we owe it to them. what about those who dont know their parents. they are in the orphans waiting to be adopted with the lovingof parents and capable ones. if the homosexual parents are willing to provide what a child needs, why dont we support them to do so, and let the poor unfortunate children have their better lives and opportunities for the future.
You can see the crazy without even listening to this creature. She starts talking about "nature" without realizing that homosexuality is found in a number of different species. Got to about 1:00 couldn't get any further!
Wasn't expecting that, Very entertaining, However she did say what many people on the opposition thought. The gays keep going on about their rights and what they want, But the rights, wants and the well being of the children is far more important.
You just made my point, you used the word "want" the same things others have. you're position or demands does not come out of any need. It is simply a desire to have a child by any means I can afford. Also having a child is not a "right" given by anybody.
I would also add that "marriage" is defined by a deity, do you except that as well and all that comes with it, or just the parts you like?
Single parents everywhere are gonna haaaaaaate this woman.
She just made a complete fool of herself and the opposition hahaha
But that's just your opinion Jake.
And is it really 'foolish' to stand up for what is right?
bigbreadeaterellis she's not standing up for what is right. She's spouting out the same bullshit redoric that conservatives have been saying for years! And none of the things she's saying is helping her argument. All she did was spill out the whole "nature vs nurture" argument that has be raging for decades! There is 0 evidence that parents raised by gay parents are unable to have normal lives than if they were raised by straight parents. Thats not an opinion, that is a fact.
But would you not agree that there is something very wrong when heterosexual parents for one reason or another give up their responsibility for raising their children
and is taken up by homosexuals?
Also if homosexuals want to be parents
the price of that is to be 'heterosexual'
and that is a ' fact'.
bigbreadeaterellis well as a homosexual I would have to disagree. And actually that is not a fact. Do you know how many kids are given up for adoption every year? And half of them never find forever families because people like this woman and you would rather them stay a foster care system that is so distinctional and underfunded that most kids either runaway, become homeless, are given to abusive foster families, or worse. All because people dont have enough common sense to allow two people who love each other to raise a family by adopting. So no, the idea that the only way someone can have kids is to raise them biologically, is rediculous and illogical. Especially since the divorce rate among heterosexual marriages are much higher than that of homosexual, and a vast majority of families nowadays are single parent families (gay and straight).
Dolores Umbridge spotted
Look at poor Hargreaves at 06:31 & 06.34 ! He turnes as far away from Burrows as he can on the bench and his smile isn't a very happy one. Can't blame him - I wouldn't be please to be on her team either. Is she sober?!
Nice slippery slope fallacy. Your apparent need to use transfer propaganda suggests that you lack any decent arguments against same-sex parenting itself and so must instead resort to sullying it by comparison with something else altogether.
What did I just listen to?!?!
It’s maggie thatcher
aha look at the guy she sits next to at the end.
Yes, because insulting the audience will help you win... I'd hate to have this woman as a mother, much rather have two fathers.
This woman is absolutely right.
I love her .
The little gay boy who embarrassed himself when he talked to George Galloway about Hugo Chavez is in the audience too, but doesn't dare to object towards her, although that woman is really anti-gay. What a little coward.
as evidence proves, Civil unions are separate and unequal in many ways. For families there should be one law to protect them, marriage, and not separate and unequal laws telling some families they are less than, or do not deserve to call themselves married.
I would also add, everything you just stated was based on an emotional response and not anything else. you tried to make it a "moral outrage" when nothing I said had anything to do with ones morality or behavior.
this argument amounts to "its not natural"
Is it not ?
@@primeminister1040 its entirley natural and even if it wasnt so what computers aren't natural clothes aren't natural planes aren't natural
@@samhunter6141 give me an example of another creature other than humans that practice same sex relations ?
@@primeminister1040 penguins, vultures, pigeons, american byson, bats etc
Wow so much hate in this comment section...it's so uncivil i mean this lady is, entitled to opinions
All these comments about my grandma are too funny 🤣🤣🤣🤣
What is the result of the debate? No result?
they have a vote or something
Marriage is not defined by a Deity, the type of marriages we know today were created by pagans to protect themselves from the persecution of the state. Today it is a civil contract with a very powerful name and message. Also, there are many deities that support same sex marriage that dont include Yahweh.
I see where this leading anyways. Your wanting the status of "marriage" over civil union, which would give you legal standing in a court of law. This would allow you to bring a case to court, if any church, group or religious institute refused to perform it. you would in essence be "forcing" your will one someone because they disagree for what ever reason to perform it.
If your wanting the same rights for wills, insurance coverage, tax right off, business, civil union covers that.
So did that ever happen after almost 10 years of gay marriage in the UK? No, you homophobic asshole
@@user-xy4ff5yp7b You woke wanker school child.. My Gay friends would kick your ass.. As they say they same thing...And they hate you people. As you draw to much attention to them with your activist horse shit..
And the UK.. The arm pit of Europe..
@@WizzRacing They have internalised homophobia then if they’re gay but hate the very people advocating for their rights and freedoms. But turns out you were wrong, no one’s been forced to marry gay people!
Rather short on substance ...
i can't concive what "prenteded parenthood" supposed to be
This woman can not be for real!?!
What a sinister woman.
I would rather be one of those babies brought up with no human contact than by this hideous being. Baby P I doubt would agree that just because he has a man and a woman as parents then everything is "right".
Why did someone even let this woman speak?
Thank you sooo much Lynette Burrows !!! I Love you !
Excuse you 🤭
You're confusing me, you're claiming marriage is not defined by a deity. then you're saying other "deities" support same sex marriage?
I would add the known writing, defining marriage as well divorce was from God to the Jews, unless you can find earlier ones.
I have no idea where you think marriage was created to stop persecution. please document where unmarried people were persecuted.
She does the conservative movement an incredible disservice.
no I am not trying to be confusing. After marriage became a word, and matrimony became a word, western cultures started using it. However, what we would see as marriages in ancient times, with different cultures worshiped deities that, in their religion and culture, supported.
Also the word divorce for ending a marriage is not from Yahweh. As for documentation about marriage by pagans start by reading the book. Committed by Elizabeth Gilbert.
haha what was that!
ahahahaha i love her!!! is she drunk? lame arguments but so funny
"You're all group thinkers!!" hahahahahahahaha
Who won?
Gay parents
@@BurningStormss that sucks. Shows how the agenda has taken over. RIP common sense….
@@cletusj.johnson1850 what? How?
What a don
Lynette needs to sleep that last glass of wine off.
How do they select these people?
What a brave lady. To stand up and speak the brutal truth. Sodomy is a vile disgusting vice, if only there were more men and women like her.
Brilliant woman! Common sense abounds! 👌
Very sensible and helpful.
@@theotherone8036 for British debating, this was sensible and helpful
@@cletusj.johnson1850 this is the worst speech in a debate I have ever seen to be honest
Had read the transcript of this online some weeks ago but, having watched the recording, now know that words on a screen couldn't begin to do justice to this shrieking, slurring, wild-eyed little tragedy of a performance. A complete own goal. I should think it unlikely that Burrows herself will be looking back on this one with much pride.
To the guy who read my mind shouting out the, "what about the lesbians?! :D " comment, you sir, I tip my hat off to ;)
Wut a pity,that women
She awfully reminds me of Margaret Thatcher.
I respect her courage to express her views to the sheeple. There are areas of truth on both sides, its not all black and white. A Father and Mother is the ideal setup, but if that cant happen, then full support to gay couples who are fit to care for the child. Just my thoughts
+Jeremiah North Trouble is, when somebody chooses to express their views like this - yelling, sounding drunk, "bloody gays" this, "sodomites" that - it is impossible to take them seriously. Of course it isn't all black and white, but nothing courageous about making such a pathetic spectacle of one's self.
That's what I was thinking too. Gosh, I know a few elderly people here in Kansas who don't even think that way about gay people. I guess the UK isn't as progressive as I'd thought.
does this go on somehow or do they after this last speech just leave?
Wow, just wow.
all her speech is full of truth and nature, the only one I liked her ideas.
Of course, its all because of gay marriage and not because of trivial things like inequality, crime, poverty and so on.
Haha, even someone calling themselves the "Internet Trollist" is shocked.
What a horrible woman
She is my least favourite person alive today.
My heart hurts when the truth is made fun of
Good thing it didn’t hurt when you watched this video
Unless you actually believe that she is not a bigot
Do you think you might just develop a brain and some rational faculties that extend a bit further than fatuous, puerile expostulations?