Congratulations, you will be surprised at how good they are. Make sure you order the polycarbonate skid plate at the same time. They last heaps longer than the standard ABS plastic ones that come standard.
Hi Adam. I just thought I’d mention that according to my scales, the 17” spiral is only 109 grams heavier than the original 14” minelab coil. (Without lower shafts) They certainly are a light coil. 👍
NF12 is more of an all rounder. A massive upgrade from the ML14. X-coils are another step up but!!! each one is more specialised having their strengths and weaknesses. Although I am finding the 10inch gets a lot of use for general detecting. The elliptical is a killer on deeper larger gram plus nuggets, cc coils incredible at patch clearing. Having the ability to choose a coil to suit a particular need is a huge advantage - but there is more to learn about each coil. I would definitely suggest the NF12 as a step up, but if you can afford - start with the x-coils 10inch. They quickly pay for themselves - I find regular gold now since getting the x-coils.
Hi Adam I'm back a year later . Ive kept my nf12 and used it for the chop cable and finally splashed on the 15cc and are yet to use it waiting for it cool down here in WA but watching this video and refreshing my memory something is telling me a should have gone for the 17cc for the extra depth. What are your thoughts on the 20 to 22 cc coils? TIA Cheers @@RedbackAviation
The 15cc does a pretty good job, I have a few mates in the Pilbra and they all use a 15cc. Find some gold to pay for another coil maybe? Those that have had the 17cc, most probably would have found 80% of their finds with a 15cc. I didn't like the 17cc, it was huge and we don't have enough open deep ground here. In WA, a different matter, use a 10x15 DOD or 16 DOD as a patch hunter, a 15cc for clean up. On ground known for deep nuggets, use the 17 for finding targets and the 22 in you really want to dig the deep ones. The 22cc rates very highly here in VIC on known deep ground with excellent result. You can only imagine it's potential in WA! @@blahhblahh1511
Hi Adam Thanks for the video on theses X Coils. I know you’re in Vic and I will be in WA in 2023 which is my home turf. Sorry if this is lengthy and maybe I am asking to much of a single coil but I am desperate to be frank. I have to find a good amount of decent size gold ( not just flyshit as is the norm for most these days ) and I believe I have the skills and knowledge to do that…and obviously need a shitload of good luck as well…if I can’t, well then I am in deep shit to be frank 🤷♂️ Anyway, a mate left me a X Coil which is i think is a 17x13 standard DOD, he said I need the 17” CC Not sure how to say this ……but let me ask you this.. For what and when would you use the 17”x13” DOD? For what and when would you use say the 17” CC? I ask only about the 17” CC because a friend recommended it….i was thinking of a 20” CC to cover all bases 🤔🥴🤷♂️ As you explained you need to overlap a lot to cover the ground thoroughly with a CC coil, and what I am looking for in my “other” x coil, is a coil that has good ground coverage per swing with not so much overlap required as the 17” CC and is sensitive enough to pull out say a 1 gram bit at +8” in WA soils …but more importantly punch a lot deeper so I can get those bigger nuggets ( think of say a 5-12 gram bit @ 18” and upwards to multi once nuggets down @ 2-3 feet 🥴🤷♂️😂..that have been missed by everyone else using the stock 14” or 19” ML coils. So my thought was getting the 20” CC X Coil instead of the 17” CC …knowing I still have to overlap a lot but covering more ground more quickly…it being sensitive enough to smaller bits but can punch very deep for the larger gold …would that be the right choice for what I want to achieve? Or is a bigger DOD what I should buy instead ? If you had to make a choice what would you buy in my situation? I know I should not need to ask given my experience but these X coils are so different with many choices and I am just not getting my head around it at the moment on what’s the best all rounder I can buy from X Coil Thanks for your thoughts and wishing you and family a merry Christmas and safe, health and successful 2023 Cheers Jim 🤠
Hi Jim, you should really be putting this question to the x-coils user group here: facebook.com/groups/3553656301344280 I personally have 8 different x-coils, and they all perform differently on different ground, in different weather etc.... With x-coils, you are essentially going back to a GPX5000 system where you have many coils in your collection as no single coil does it all, including the factory ML14x13 coil. The "cc" coils should not be used as a patch finding coil, but rather a coil to work an area already proven to return gold. I have a 22cc and it misses smaller nuggets at all depths so not good for looking for gold. My favorite patch hunter is the 10x15DOD. It finds me lead shot to 100mm deep and gives clear signals on gram plus a 12 inches deep as a minimum. The 17cc is a good all-rounder but I don't like using mine as it is sensitive to hot rocks and pretty large. Pretend it is actually an 8-10 inch coil as that is its optimum effective overlap. I do enjoy my 15cc much more which is capable of tiny deep nuggets and medium depth larger nuggets without the ground noise issues. I'd be using the 17x13DOD to cover ground and patch find, then fit coils accordingly after that. Also, on a patch - I always run multiple coils over it and sometimes get surprise results! New coils are always coming out from x-coils but for me, the 10x15DOD is my favorite all rounder on open/flat ground. Happy hunting.
@@RedbackAviation hi again Adam, yes you are correct of corse..no such thing as 1 coil does it all, which of corse I am painfully aware of 😂 And naturally you are spot on everything else including the scenarios of changing coils etc to clean out a patch 👍..all those things are necessary things we must do for max recovery. I guess I worded my question a bit awkwardly, but understand what you’re telling me. The areas I will go to have pretty large rocks, the ground is extremely mineralized and the nuggets are average size ( 1-3 gram bits with a few bigger pieces mixed in at depth of 2 foot plus. So that’s where I wasn’t sure what to get 🤷♂️ That 17”x 13” I got given is DOD i think and wasn’t certain where to make good use out of it. That’s basically it..🤷♂️ Rather then going to the X Coil page I figured I ask a well known legend 😂 to nail it down for me 🤷♂️ You look after yourself mate ok, maybe we will catch up one of these days Till then, be safe and DIG DEEP mate 😉🤠
@@AussieAdventurer I'd have to say that large rocks, 8 inch coil between them, the 17x13, great for running lightly across the tops of the rocks in general. Best bet, look for a patch, kick/clear larger rocks and run coil on ground? To many variables and options unfortunately. Happy hunting 😉
I wanna buy this x coil for WA trip. Which would you recommand? you did mentioned 22cc would lose small nuggets? I did see someone in forum found small nuggets with 22? currently i am thinking of 15cc, 17cc 20 cc or 22cc?
The lost of sensitivity to smaller targets was a generalization in performance of a smaller coil over a larger coil. X-coils do seem to narrow this gap having better all-round performance. In saying that, X-coils produce a few different sizes and styles for different needs as no single coil will do everything perfectly. In WA if you were patch hunting, the larger elliptical would be best. A DOD coil will behave better on hot and noisy ground or around EMI. The DOD is slightly less sensitive to smaller targets. The spiral coils are more sensitive but you can dial them back while patch finding and dial them up on a patch. The larger concentrics are only really practical if you know your are 100% on gold ground and pretty much useless as a patch finder. They will excel at deeper targets though, especially as you go to the larger sizes. There are many factors besides ground such as your swing height and overall technique. I would only go to the large CC coils if I had other coils to do other jobs. I hear the elliptical coils do well for ground coverage over there. Smaller coils in general will allow you to prospect longer but cover less ground. I always have at least 3 X-coils where ever I go. In VIC, the 10" and the 15CC are popular plus the 22CC on known gold ground for deeper targets.
@@RedbackAviation thanks Adam. If I already have a GPx 6000 can I use it as a patch hunter first? Then 22cc. Also you mentioned use 10, 15cc and 22cc. I wonder both 15 and 22cc are not hunter while 10 might be too small size. Why didn’t you do a 17 spiral, 17 cc and 22cc?
It's one of the top rating coils I had. I found a lot of gold around 1 gram plus range down 8-10inches. It's a good patch finder but no good on smaller gold. It was very stable and great for poking the nose in bushy areas. What condition it is in now I can't answer for. It did have a fine crack epoxied around the nose.
@RedbackAviation gidday mate hey I only just got it and I'm waiting on the patch lead to arrive when I get out there I will give it a run and let you know I am also going to purchase either the 17cc or the 15 cc round to take to WA this winter 😊
Physically, that is correct, though technically - they seem to have worked out how to get even better performance out of the detector. From personal use, I find more gold with these coils than I ever did with the ML14 or ML19. Insane price? well maybe, insane performance, definitely! You are paying for the technology.
Awesome I’m just deciding on my first one
Congratulations, you will be surprised at how good they are. Make sure you order the polycarbonate skid plate at the same time. They last heaps longer than the standard ABS plastic ones that come standard.
@@RedbackAviation thanks for that info I will
Hi Adam. I just thought I’d mention that according to my scales, the 17” spiral is only 109 grams heavier than the original 14” minelab coil. (Without lower shafts) They certainly are a light coil. 👍
The question is why these coils outperform the ones made in Australia or has the game changed?
Check this out, inside an x-coil! tolnix.com/gpz-7000-x-coil-magic/
Would be very interested to see a comparison with the X coil and the NF zsearch 17"x13" if possible. Great video. Thanks.
Any thoughts on how this coil would compare to nf 12 coil Tia
NF12 is more of an all rounder. A massive upgrade from the ML14. X-coils are another step up but!!! each one is more specialised having their strengths and weaknesses. Although I am finding the 10inch gets a lot of use for general detecting. The elliptical is a killer on deeper larger gram plus nuggets, cc coils incredible at patch clearing. Having the ability to choose a coil to suit a particular need is a huge advantage - but there is more to learn about each coil. I would definitely suggest the NF12 as a step up, but if you can afford - start with the x-coils 10inch. They quickly pay for themselves - I find regular gold now since getting the x-coils.
Hi Adam I'm back a year later . Ive kept my nf12 and used it for the chop cable and finally splashed on the 15cc and are yet to use it waiting for it cool down here in WA but watching this video and refreshing my memory something is telling me a should have gone for the 17cc for the extra depth.
What are your thoughts on the 20 to 22 cc coils? TIA Cheers @@RedbackAviation
The 15cc does a pretty good job, I have a few mates in the Pilbra and they all use a 15cc. Find some gold to pay for another coil maybe? Those that have had the 17cc, most probably would have found 80% of their finds with a 15cc. I didn't like the 17cc, it was huge and we don't have enough open deep ground here. In WA, a different matter, use a 10x15 DOD or 16 DOD as a patch hunter, a 15cc for clean up. On ground known for deep nuggets, use the 17 for finding targets and the 22 in you really want to dig the deep ones. The 22cc rates very highly here in VIC on known deep ground with excellent result. You can only imagine it's potential in WA!
@@blahhblahh1511
Hi Adam
Thanks for the video on theses X Coils.
I know you’re in Vic and I will be in WA in 2023 which is my home turf.
Sorry if this is lengthy and maybe I am asking to much of a single coil but I am desperate to be frank.
I have to find a good amount of decent size gold ( not just flyshit as is the norm for most these days ) and I believe I have the skills and knowledge to do that…and obviously need a shitload of good luck as well…if I can’t, well then I am in deep shit to be frank 🤷♂️
Anyway, a mate left me a X Coil which is i think is a 17x13 standard DOD, he said I need the 17” CC
Not sure how to say this ……but let me ask you this..
For what and when would you use the 17”x13” DOD?
For what and when would you use say the 17” CC?
I ask only about the 17” CC because a friend recommended it….i was thinking of a 20” CC to cover all bases 🤔🥴🤷♂️
As you explained you need to overlap a lot to cover the ground thoroughly with a CC coil, and what I am looking for in my “other” x coil, is a coil that has good ground coverage per swing with not so much overlap required as the 17” CC and is sensitive enough to pull out say a 1 gram bit at +8” in WA soils …but more importantly punch a lot deeper so I can get those bigger nuggets ( think of say a 5-12 gram bit @ 18” and upwards to multi once nuggets down @ 2-3 feet 🥴🤷♂️😂..that have been missed by everyone else using the stock 14” or 19” ML coils.
So my thought was getting the 20” CC X Coil instead of the 17” CC …knowing I still have to overlap a lot but covering more ground more quickly…it being sensitive enough to smaller bits but can punch very deep for the larger gold …would that be the right choice for what I want to achieve?
Or is a bigger DOD what I should buy instead ?
If you had to make a choice what would you buy in my situation?
I know I should not need to ask given my experience but these X coils are so different with many choices and I am just not getting my head around it at the moment on what’s the best all rounder I can buy from X Coil
Thanks for your thoughts and wishing you and family a merry Christmas and safe, health and successful 2023
Cheers Jim 🤠
Hi Jim, you should really be putting this question to the x-coils user group here: facebook.com/groups/3553656301344280
I personally have 8 different x-coils, and they all perform differently on different ground, in different weather etc.... With x-coils, you are essentially going back to a GPX5000 system where you have many coils in your collection as no single coil does it all, including the factory ML14x13 coil. The "cc" coils should not be used as a patch finding coil, but rather a coil to work an area already proven to return gold. I have a 22cc and it misses smaller nuggets at all depths so not good for looking for gold. My favorite patch hunter is the 10x15DOD. It finds me lead shot to 100mm deep and gives clear signals on gram plus a 12 inches deep as a minimum. The 17cc is a good all-rounder but I don't like using mine as it is sensitive to hot rocks and pretty large. Pretend it is actually an 8-10 inch coil as that is its optimum effective overlap. I do enjoy my 15cc much more which is capable of tiny deep nuggets and medium depth larger nuggets without the ground noise issues. I'd be using the 17x13DOD to cover ground and patch find, then fit coils accordingly after that. Also, on a patch - I always run multiple coils over it and sometimes get surprise results! New coils are always coming out from x-coils but for me, the 10x15DOD is my favorite all rounder on open/flat ground. Happy hunting.
@@RedbackAviation hi again Adam, yes you are correct of corse..no such thing as 1 coil does it all, which of corse I am painfully aware of 😂
And naturally you are spot on everything else including the scenarios of changing coils etc to clean out a patch 👍..all those things are necessary things we must do for max recovery.
I guess I worded my question a bit awkwardly, but understand what you’re telling me.
The areas I will go to have pretty large rocks, the ground is extremely mineralized and the nuggets are average size ( 1-3 gram bits with a few bigger pieces mixed in at depth of 2 foot plus.
So that’s where I wasn’t sure what to get 🤷♂️
That 17”x 13” I got given is DOD i think and wasn’t certain where to make good use out of it.
That’s basically it..🤷♂️
Rather then going to the X Coil page I figured I ask a well known legend 😂 to nail it down for me 🤷♂️
You look after yourself mate ok, maybe we will catch up one of these days
Till then, be safe and DIG DEEP mate 😉🤠
@@AussieAdventurer I'd have to say that large rocks, 8 inch coil between them, the 17x13, great for running lightly across the tops of the rocks in general. Best bet, look for a patch, kick/clear larger rocks and run coil on ground? To many variables and options unfortunately. Happy hunting 😉
I wanna buy this x coil for WA trip. Which would you recommand? you did mentioned 22cc would lose small nuggets? I did see someone in forum found small nuggets with 22? currently i am thinking of 15cc, 17cc 20 cc or 22cc?
The lost of sensitivity to smaller targets was a generalization in performance of a smaller coil over a larger coil. X-coils do seem to narrow this gap having better all-round performance. In saying that, X-coils produce a few different sizes and styles for different needs as no single coil will do everything perfectly. In WA if you were patch hunting, the larger elliptical would be best. A DOD coil will behave better on hot and noisy ground or around EMI. The DOD is slightly less sensitive to smaller targets. The spiral coils are more sensitive but you can dial them back while patch finding and dial them up on a patch. The larger concentrics are only really practical if you know your are 100% on gold ground and pretty much useless as a patch finder. They will excel at deeper targets though, especially as you go to the larger sizes. There are many factors besides ground such as your swing height and overall technique. I would only go to the large CC coils if I had other coils to do other jobs. I hear the elliptical coils do well for ground coverage over there. Smaller coils in general will allow you to prospect longer but cover less ground. I always have at least 3 X-coils where ever I go. In VIC, the 10" and the 15CC are popular plus the 22CC on known gold ground for deeper targets.
@@RedbackAviation thanks Adam. If I already have a GPx 6000 can I use it as a patch hunter first? Then 22cc.
Also you mentioned use 10, 15cc and 22cc. I wonder both 15 and 22cc are not hunter while 10 might be too small size. Why didn’t you do a 17 spiral, 17 cc and 22cc?
Gidday Adam having had your 15x10 x coil for a while now what is your opinion on it
It's one of the top rating coils I had. I found a lot of gold around 1 gram plus range down 8-10inches. It's a good patch finder but no good on smaller gold. It was very stable and great for poking the nose in bushy areas. What condition it is in now I can't answer for. It did have a fine crack epoxied around the nose.
Thanks mate 👍
Just a quick one, your question brings me to ask your thoughts on it?
@RedbackAviation gidday mate hey I only just got it and I'm waiting on the patch lead to arrive when I get out there I will give it a run and let you know I am also going to purchase either the 17cc or the 15 cc round to take to WA this winter 😊
@@nevilwasley946 why not 22? hh
There is nothing they can put in these coils to justify the insane price
Physically, that is correct, though technically - they seem to have worked out how to get even better performance out of the detector. From personal use, I find more gold with these coils than I ever did with the ML14 or ML19. Insane price? well maybe, insane performance, definitely! You are paying for the technology.
👍