Is Israel a Democracy? DEBATE vs Peter Beinart
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- Опубликовано: 5 фев 2025
- Peter Beinart is a prominent journalist, political commentator, and professor known for his incisive analysis of American politics and foreign policy. He is the editor-at-large of Jewish Currents and writes a regular column for The New York Times, focusing on topics such as U.S. foreign relations, Israel-Palestine issues, and progressive Jewish perspectives. Beinart is also a professor at the Craig Newmark Graduate School of Journalism at CUNY and the author of several influential books, including The Crisis of Zionism and The Icarus Syndrome.
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Peter Beinart is a prominent journalist, political commentator, and professor known for his incisive analysis of American politics and foreign policy. He is the editor-at-large of Jewish Currents and writes a regular column for The New York Times, focusing on topics such as U.S. foreign relations, Israel-Palestine issues, and progressive Jewish perspectives. Beinart is also a professor at the Craig Newmark Graduate School of Journalism at CUNY and the author of several influential books, including The Crisis of Zionism and The Icarus Syndrome.
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Imagine being you, someone who gets to talk with all these awesome people, but u never take a word of it with you in life. You learn nothing from these people and go back to ur 1st grade understanding and questions Cmon Jake just try dude.
U asked whats difference between jews in russian program and Jews of Israel. Are you that blank Jake?
Just find and side with anti Zionist Jew …. Disgusting… ( yes Douglas Murray and Uk chief Rabbi Sacks ) is right Anti zionism is new vile Anti semitism and worse ( despite using anti Zionists Jews to pretend otherwise ) and yes majority of the Jewish people are indeed rightly Zionists. Yes Jewish people have right to self determination to keep their nation Israel they built which is their historical homeland .. ( and Arabs from Levantine called Palestinians do not have a self determined right ( nor does anyone else ) to to destroy the Jewish state ) yes Arab coalition rejected an additinal Arab state along side a Jewish state in peace . Jordan is pure ethno supreme Arab Muslim state that forbids Jewish citizens in Jordan., ( it is the defacto Arab state of Jordan / Palestine ( Palestinians who want no Jews )
Nonsense, He is known for prevarications.
For the first few minutes, I swear Jake's brain was factory resetting after each answer.
Can you please direct me to where the Israeli government has a forced segregation of the school system. This doesn’t exist and it’s an utter lie
I'm sorry Jake but as much as you cover this conflict I'm stunned by your ignorance.
Its intentional
Can you please direct me to where the Israeli government has a forced segregation of the school system. This doesn’t exist and it’s an utter lie
@@abrooksit’s literally so easy to find. I’ve found multiple reports and articles covering the segregation of the school system in Israel and it took a simple google search. You should try it out.
It's willful.
@@anastylishrock481 you do realise that this guy was lying and there is no segregation in schools?
Jake continues to pretend that he doesn't understand.
We see you, Jake.
Did the same with Mike Peled.
Maybe he's just dumb
Can you please direct me to where the Israeli government has a forced segregation of the school system. This doesn’t exist and it’s an utter lie
@@abrooks Please read Professor Nurit Peled-Elhanan's (Israel-born, Jewish citizen of Israel, and a professor at the Hebrew University in Jerusalem) book, 'Palestine in Israeli School Books' (2012).
@@abrooks She will vehemently disagree with you. In her many interviews, (available to view on RUclips), she also states that she believes that the education system in Israel is extremely racist and apartheid,, based on what she believes to be a litany of lies about Israel's foundation and history, including the Palestinians, and others' part in it.
The reason why the world is so violent and unfair is because of people like Jake who refuses to recognize that international law must be upheld.
I think Jake is just playing devils advocate. He knows what’s right :)
@@Fsgs233I dont know the host that Well, but if this is true-he did a good job
@@Fsgs233 thank god I'm not the only one that realizes this
What is "international law"? A bunch of Muslim countries bloc-voting to push through general assembly resolutions? Nobody cares about that shit. The only real 'international law' is security council resolutions, which Palestinians don't have on their side.
What part of International Law isn't being upheld? Be specific.
Peter patiently trying to explain to Jake about history and human rights and why Palestinians are resisting oppression and Jake hurriedly typing to read hasbara 101 - "but they are jihadists" "they have agency" "Israel withdrew from Gaza but they shot more rockets"... at least have the decency to prepare the questions ahead of time.
Peter listens to Al gazeera and he lies.
Jews are not allowed to live in Palestinian authority and Arabs Israeli get to choose on what school they send their children. They prefer to send their children to Arab school because Jewish school talk about Jewish point of view.
Peter doesn’t know what really happens
Invading other country is not resistance
@@A.RMan1 They are occupied and borders administered by Israel and resistance against an occupier is permissible according to international law. It helps if you actually listen to the interview.
@@A.RMan1 It is when it's the state that is oppressing.
@@fishouttawater786 I am Israeli and I know the guy doesn’t know shit.
Gaza biggest border is with Egypt.
Moreover Israel before 10/7 let 15 k Gazans to enter Israel for work… Israel prefers they will leave Gaza Hamas doesn’t let them leave…
Israel would gladly let every Gazan to move to other country…
This is the 3rd time I have watched one of this guy's interviews. He is intentionally obtuse he understands that Israel is in the wrong and is committing a genocide but he continues to act as the fool.
While simultaneously trying to talk about morality or the lack thereof by Hamas. You know what’s moral? Not denying the truth to fit your own narrative and not playing DUMB.
Yeah, I'm not sure whether he's playing devil's advocate or suffering from Piers Morgan syndrome.
He behaves like a security Bureau for all material (literature) that questions Israel occupation of Palestinian. He might as well be part of Mossad / CIA , censorship board.
@@goldencalf5144They only use 'play devil advocate' card, kind of conceal their support for Israel. They're Lying
He seems unable to take the final, logical step. This isn't complicated, but he has to complicate it in order to allow himself room to have his opinions and call himself moral.
Peter: explains exactly how Jews who suffered pogroms are different than Israelis
Jake: “In what way?”
Jake go over and rewatch and listen again and again what Peter is trying to explain to you. You have to relearn and forget all the bs t you have been taught. Peter is very clear and his answers are easy to follow.
Again thank you Peter, much respect ❤
Can you please direct me to where the Israeli government has a forced segregation of the school system. This doesn’t exist and it’s an utter lie
Jake is either acting really dumb, or is just dumb as bricks. Several people have explained all these questions to him on his show, yet not a single idea has stuck with him
Can you please direct me to where the Israeli government has a forced segregation of the school system. This doesn’t exist and it’s an utter lie
You got truly out smarted by this guy Jake. No shame. He just intellectually dwarfs you.
Absolutely mogged
Peter Beinart has consistently been one of the best voices on this issue for the last 15 years. I first came across Peter with his book, "the crisis of Zionism" and is one of the few people that I believe understands the suffering inflicted on the Palestinian people.
he plays devil's advocate
@@gigachud35
Nah
Peter is fantastic
Woah this guy peter is so knowledgable and educational with zero propoganda!!
You cannot call yourself a democracy when you don't give political rights to millions of people in what you call your territory.
But they have political rights.
@@chillandstuff4040 The Palestinians living in Gaza, the West Bank, and East Jersualem don't have self-determination, they don't have a state of their own, nor they have freedom. They're occupied by Israel and they aren't recognized as citizens of Israel, so they don't have any autonomous place for themselves.
@shredermn They would have had their own state 88 years ago if they didn't say no to it. And 78 years ago. And so on and so on.
@@Santirata Has Israel ever offered the Palestinians a state in line with international law? I'll save you a google - they haven't.
@@kylemarshall4559 exactly
12:37 Professor NURIT PELED-ELHANAN is a professor at the Hebrew University in Jerusalem and is a Jewish Israel-born citizen of Israel.
She has given some fascinating interviews (many available to watch on RUclips) in which she states that she believes that the system of education in Israel is extremely racist and apartheid, with a litany of lies about Israel's foundation and history, including the Palestinian, Arab, and other peoples' part in it.
Her book, 'Palestine in Israeli School Books,' (2012) is very informative on this subject.
Peter Beinart, thank you for your clarity and patience.
Can you please direct me to where the Israeli government has a forced segregation of the school system. This doesn’t exist and it’s an utter lie
@@abrooks No, you're wrong. J's and A. citizens go to different schools. Look it up.
@ please send me the link to the law the segregates the two people?
Thank you, Peter❤
Can you please direct me to where the Israeli government has a forced segregation of the school system. This doesn’t exist and it’s an utter lie
Jake is asking the same question in 10 different wording, hoping to get a different answer . It didn't work.
Can you please direct me to where the Israeli government has a forced segregation of the school system. This doesn’t exist and it’s an utter lie
@@abrooks Please read Professor Nurit Peled-Elhanan's 2012 book,
'Palestine in Israeli School Books: Ideology and Propaganda in Education.'
@@michellenorris8471 I’m asking you to direct me to the law of segregation? Please enlighten me
@ 97% of all education in Israel is segregated.
@ you do realise Arabs want to put their kids through Arab schools… because they learn Arabic: is that segregation?
I give Jake the credit to have Peter on his show, but The mental gymnastics Jake is showing to defend Israeli discrimination so he can keep his belief that Israel is a “liberal democracy”
Can you please direct me to where the Israeli government has a forced segregation of the school system. This doesn’t exist and it’s an utter lie
You asked the same question for 10 minutes. He explained it like 5 times clearly
I was close to breaking my phone for those 10 long mins
@@samdar6949 yeah buts..
He responded to nothing substantively
Can you please direct me to where the Israeli government has a forced segregation of the school system. This doesn’t exist and it’s an utter lie
Thank you Peter ❤
For being a liar?
Great interview. I was a little amused that three times Peter had to explain that having some rights (the right to vote, hold office, access public services) does not mean you have equal rights (equal access to land, education). For a quick analogy see Jim Crow.
But, I appreciate the open dialogue. Excited for the book!
@@joshuameisel2658 Jake was tired
He couldn’t explain it because he doesn’t understand it. The education system is a hold over from the Ottoman Millet system in which each community manages its own institutions: schools, places of worship, etc. That’s why Israel also doesn’t manage Christian institutions in Israel.
Works better for the Jewish government that prioritises it's own ethic group above the other one.Ottoman empire left a legacy that two ethnic groups benefited from.No amount of blames , will enable the state Israel to treat the Palestinians with dignity,first before even ending the illegal occupation. All the blames won't make the situation go away.@@peterwessel4052
@@peterwessel4052but still fewer resources are accessible to the non Jewish educational institutions
@@peterwessel4052exactly
41:16 - 41:20 Jake, it’s a response to OPPRESSION and aggression. Simple solution: end the oppression just like they did in the US during Civil Rights and South Africa during apartheid, so that all people can live in peace!
You do realise Palestinians don’t just want their own state and to live in peace next to Israel? They want all of Israel
its only almost as if you don't listen to the answers Jake. i've listened to a lot of interviews you've given, and I'm confused if you just like to play stupid, or if you are genuinely confused and trying to figure it out.
I advise you to go to Israel one day and see for yourself that the self hating jew dude is very misleading in his language.
Jake admirably pushed back where he could.
@ we will have to agree to disagree
It seems like a natural instinct to try to tune out information that runs counter to your worldview. He definitely was not doing a good job of listening towards the beginning of the interview.
@@chrisbarrick that’s where I was when wrote the comment, he improved throughout, but I still feel like he pretends not to understand somethings.
For example, no serious person believes Gaza isn’t occupied by Israel.
There’s not a single country (other than Israel), international organization, human rights group that doesn’t think Israel was still occupying Gaza after they pulled out in 2005.
So it’s like bro, what are you reading, are you even trying?
I don’t get how he’s convinced people to come on his show, but more power to him for that.
I applaud beinarts patience.... it's like there is a glitch or block which prevents people from understanding the reality of what Isreal has become. How many ways must the man explain that Palestinian ls are not equal in Isreal proper! Jeez so painful
Can you please direct me to where the Israeli government has a forced segregation of the school system. This doesn’t exist and it’s an utter lie
@@abrooksliberal theorists call this structural inequality
@ please give me one thing that is apartheid?
@@abrooks I see you suffer from the same cognitive dissonance and delusion Jake is suffering from. I can't help that.. sorry.
@ again.. can’t answer the question.. please point to me which law is Israel defeated schools. It’s as if I’m talking to monkeys. Please use more than 2 brain cells next time
Jake tries his hardest to not know what is true.
Jake, you are really trying to justify Israel, but its not possible. Just not!
They only democracy in the middle east FOH 😂😂😂
Name me an another country that comes close to a democracy in the Middle East where Jews have full equality ?
Name one democracy in the middle east that comes anywbere close to Israel lmao. Clown ass.
It is if your white tho🤣 let's not forget that they are Europeans
Only if you're a white, European Jew though.
Jake is distraught he can’t flip the script and propagandize in Israel’s favor 😂
Thank you Peter for your understanding and compassion. Putting the situation into context with peace processes and the resultant equality in South Africa and Ireland can give us hope. ❤
Love from Dublin
Is Jake even listening?
It’s honestly baffling why these intellectuals even agree to be interviewed by Jake. He lacks the depth to truly understand their insights and just follows the main narrative without question. To make matters worse, he’s becoming increasingly irritating with each episode, especially with this new bizarre habit of furiously typing notes during the interview, as if he’s live-transcribing a court case. What an absolute train wreck of unprofessionalism.
he plays devil's advocate with all his guests
peter was cooking smthn good w this one, Beautiful responses and points.
Israel is a democracy? 😳😳
Why is it still so difficult to understand the oppression here Jake? You seem smart, and yet appear to find facts difficult to accept. Peter brilliantly explaining the framework and core issues/problems with Israel.
Can you please direct me to where the Israeli government has a forced segregation of the school system. This doesn’t exist and it’s an utter lie
Why do people act like it’s weird for Palestinians to want the entire land
There’s no people who will accept their land to be split for another people
No country or people accept that willingly
I agree for peace - Palestinians have to fully accept the fact that they won’t get the full territory
Jake asks same questions over and over again . He interviewed with ilian peppe, Miko peled he is asks the same questions . People have been very patient with him answering these questions same way . But yet he asks the same questions not because he is dumb , he asks same questions because he is not convinced Israel is actually occupying power . And is actually perpetuating the human rights violation .
he didn't play that dumb when speaking with the racist settler Yishai Fleisher from Brooklyn. He was happy to laugh along and getting faux outraged "ooh you can't say that Rabbi Yishai". Jake Newfield is what is wrong with liberal zionists that are in a tailspin - forever thinking they are all liberal and good except when it comes to Palestinians "ooh they are anti semitic so it is ok for us to just subjugate and kill them"
Jake asks same questions over and over again . He interviewed with ilian peppe, Miko peled he is asks the same questions . People have been very patient with him answering these questions same way . But yet he asks the same questions not because he is dumb , he asks same questions because he is not convinced Israel is actually occupying power .
This was a discussion. If you’re going to debate this guest, you’ll have to do a better job preparing.
I’m Palestinian and disagree with your views on these topics but I do respect that you bring on guests that challenge your views.
not sure those are his views, he has insane settlers on too and contradicts them as well
Wow Cognitive Dissonance in full effect!!!!
Can you please direct me to where the Israeli government has a forced segregation of the school system. This doesn’t exist and it’s an utter lie
Jake has had so many interviews on this same topic but somehow has learned nothing
Can you please direct me to where the Israeli government has a forced segregation of the school system. This doesn’t exist and it’s an utter lie
Jake embarrassing himself again
Why is Jake pretending to be so dump. I am pulling my hair out. You are a smart guy Jake “but but buttyyyyy” What is it that you don’t understand 😂. You just choose not to! You have a veil over your heart. I respect you and I, along with most people have learned a lot about the apartheid state is Israel! Thanks to real journalist who are being jailed for exposing the truth. You are on the wrong side of history. I do feel that you are starting to recognise this fact. It’s difficult to find out that we have been lied to our whole lives.
You’re giving him too much credit
Very good conversation. I'm happy you brought peter beinart on. Very knowledgeable individual on this topic.
Peter is being honest about this situation! We can live together, make peace with your brothers.
@@CoachZahabi nice to see you here. We disagree on a lot but I’m right with you on this!
I support you on this one, coach. Does GSP support Palestine?
someone came to the seminar without doing the reading LMAO 🤣🤣 I'm 4 minutes in and Peter just laid out an argument with very specific examples as evidence, and Jake's response is to repeat the question as if Peter didn't just answer it in detail ....come on Jake, we know Peter is doing the rounds promoting the book and supporting Palestine, and you love Israel so much so you took the opportunity to get him on your channel to debate him, but please, do better, pick one struggle: don't be both unprepared and disingenuous
Thank you Peter Beinart for teaching and telling the truth, it was great to see a Jew who is understanding of the situation and to push back on Jake who is defending a situation that he himself is still learning about. Its like when you tell someone the truth and then they act deaf dumb and blind
I have seen a few episodes and this is the best for you, Jake, so far.
I hope this is a sign of dezionization. You now sound like a more reasonable person who doesn’t just repeat the zionists talking points mindlessly. For example, in 28:55 an average zionist would have said “because of h-mas” disingenuously.
Being reasonable, having sympathy and rejecting supremacy should not be too much to ask for.
thank you!
Jakes brain goes back to reset after every debate, absolutely clueless.
do you get it now Jake?
Can you please direct me to where the Israeli government has a forced segregation of the school system. This doesn’t exist and it’s an utter lie
LOL this is not a debate. The host’slogic is so flawed and has so many holes it’s almost unfair to watch 😂. It’s called cause and effect Jake. You said you found stuff in your research, where are you doing your research?
Yeah ,but ...... narrative does solve anything.....stop your yeah buts and start listening emphatically to other Jews who are sympathetic to the Palestinian right to self determination.
You mean the Kapos?
I see Israel as having a dual personality. One seeks peace, the other seeks insecurity as the path to expanding via "self-defense".
No. Israel has never sought peace, only submission
This was very Educational. Peter Beinhart is very knowledgeable and explains the situation very Well. The host seems to want to deny the reality, no matter what Peter Beinhart says.
Jake- you need to understand a very basic premise. If Palestine can’t have an army then anyone resisting with arms is called a terrorist. The fact that Israel has an army and carries out atrocities means they’re not terrorists?
Jake needs to put himself in the position of those who are being oppressed and figure out how he would act in that situation rather than repeating the talking point of the oppressors.
it's amazing how zionist jake can ask the same question over and over, despite Peter CLEARLY explaining why Israel is not a democracy.
Peter's responses are going through one ear and out the other. Is Jake intellectually incapable of grasping Peter's arguments or is he choosing to willfully ignore them?
Jake dog walked again.
Jake, do you sincerely not understand???
Jake…..smh…..do better
The dilemma facing the colonizer today
It is how we increase our number and decrease their number
Therefore, even if the Palestinians in the West Bank and G_a-z-a want to fully join the State of Israel, they will become a majority, so the Israelis do not want to seize those areas without displacing their people to other countries.
The dumbness broke me.
I’m glad Peter chose liberalism and abandoned Zionism, just the first couple of minutes was enough
I turned on this video only to comment that this guy is making these videos with everyone who thinks that Israel is committing genocide and playing it off as if he doesn't understand it. He is doing it to keep the audience BP high with annoyance, so they stay engaged, and he gets his vudeo views to make money.
Please stop watching him so he can go do a real hard day of labor target than making money off of misery of Palestinians.
Jake must be legitimately be the stupidest person…he keeps interviewing people about this issue but literally never seems to learn anything he’s told.
You’re so jarring Jake.
"But...but...but..." It appears Jake is unable to allow any fact, no matter how concerning, sit. There is always a "but" to mention. So, even though Palestinian citizens of Israel enjoy inferior rights of citizenship, Jake says "but...." The gist of this interview is much like the gist of all apartheid-denying supporters of Israel: No inequality is disturbing enough to question Zionism and Jewish supremacy in Israel. Also, Jake, it's "Arabic" speaking schools, not "Arab" speaking. Say it once, a slip. Say it twice, betray your ignorance.
i felt the same. jake isnt taking things in. which is common for zionists. they have their own talking points
I hate when the other person is reading without understanding or knowing the real truth. It's so annoying to listen to them. People need to be intellectually honest.
Indeed! Nothing is more annoying than when Jake asks “isn’t it true that all citizens of Israel proper are under the same legal system, regardless of their ethnicity or religion?”. Just for his opponent to reply “Gazans are not citizens of Israel and can’t participate in Israeli elections!”
Like, duh! Why would they? They are free to vote in their own… and last time around they voted in hamas. In what world would they be voting for Israeli leadership, too? The lack of intellectual honesty is disturbing.
@@bogoraduga the intellectual honesty is that ur country is borderline fascist and just won't admit it
You got cooked, Jake. Hope you interalized what Peter is saying. Either way, thank you, genuinely, for this great content. Exposure to videos like this are what will, in due course, spark peace.
Platforming Kapos has never brought Jews any peace.
Listening to Peter for the 3rd time.. Can't wait for the book.. Thank you!
28:45 uh people are living there...
Clearly it is NOT.
I'm shocked by how terrible the first 5 minutes of this interview has gone; every single question (except for the first) was asked after Peter already gave an answer to the same exact question seconds before.
Question 2: Minorities have the same civil and legal rights under Israeli law, is that not true?
He literally explained why not a second earlier!
Question 3: Don't Arab Israelis have the right to vote, hold office, access public services...
He literally just said that they do and yet gave many examples where they don't enjoy the same civil and legal rights... was the interviewer listening? Peter asked him would American Jews be Ok if 93% of American land was only allowed to be given to Christians, and the interviews said "I guess not"... how do go ahead and ask such a dumb question? It feels like he's not interested in listening to the answers, he just wants to ask his questions.
Let alone how disrespectful it is to type while you are doing an interview. Terrible!
Honestly, I think it sucks that countries like China can’t go in to protect these people. Powerful nations should stand up against evil ones. These people need help.
First let's take care of the human rights violations within China before you assign them to deal with injustices abroad.
@ hmm…same could have been said about segregated America when they went to fight against Nazi Germany.
Uh. I did not know there were this school-segregation. Interesting.
There is no law mandating school segregation. But it is true that Arab schools are underfunded
Among Professor Peter Beinart's many excellent books, 'Being Jewish After the Destruction of Gaza,' (2025) and 'The Crisis of Zionism,' (2012), which I consider to be must-reads as most relevant to the moment.
I’m mildly shocked you didn’t list books by the excellent professor Dr. Norman Finkelstein, not any less excellent Ilan Pappe, and last, but undoubtedly not any less excellent whatever the third Kapo’s name is.
@@bogoraduga Zio bot spotted!
Schools are not legally segregated. I teach in a Hebrew speaking school in Beersheva. We have many Arab students. I have no idea what Peter is talking about
@@shlomokenquinn7391 www.hrw.org/reports/2001/israel2/ISRAEL0901-01.htm
I hope you learned something
It is a democracy if your European..... Can we imagine a world if the things they can do and get away with we allowed to the rest of the world? Im shocked this insanity is still being debated. We have gone backwards with the forward motion of time.
A Master's Beginners Class.
Well done Jake - call this guy out on his bullshit - he categorically stated that there are laws segregating schools on ethnicity but there are not.
Jake, are you tired!
Hahaha yea that’s what he said with Miko. Not enough sleep
Thank you for doing this interview. This guy's brain is so clearly broken. He cannot form a full logical thought that isn't inherently self-contradictory. It's one thing to hold a different opinion. This guy's opinions don't even make sense based on his own professed beliefs
He said with confidence there are laws segregating schools in Israel When push to provide the law he starts to backtrack.
Unfortunately lot of people won’t pick up on it
@@Ashantia35 you are correct, but the schools are segregated no? and the government spends more money on Jewish schools than Palestinians schools.
So does it matter is there’s a law on the books segregating them or not. The schools system is still segregated and one is funded more than the other.
You’re down for that?
I for one am not down for sending my tax dollars to a country that treats Palestinians education and less important than Jews on basis of ethnicity.
If you have a defence for this, I’d love to hear it.
School Board semantics, probably.
No one can deny that there is an apartheid system of education in Israel.
@@kylemarshall4559 There is some structural inequality among whites and minorities in America but nobody will call that apartheid because there is no laws in the books like it was in South Africa discriminating among it own citizens
Israel has structural inequality, which exist in other democratic countries but you use Apartheid and other charged terms because you want to dismantle the only Jewish state.
Again this standard is not applicable to any of the other middle eastern countries where most minorities are crushed.
Israel is literally the best place to live as a minority in Middle East.
That’s facts
Sadly, he said a lot of things with confidence, which are untrue.
Like when Jake asked about Israeli citizens’ ability to vote, he, for whatever reason, replied that no, Gazans and west bankers aren’t allowed to vote in Israeli elections.
Jake should’ve pushed back with the fact that both of those groups already vote in their own government, most recently electing hamas and PA, respectively…
@ Gazan and the Palestinians in the West Bank are not allowed to vote in Israel's elections!!
Where have you been?!
you gotta stop typing on the mic
mute yourself when you arent talking if you're going to type
The fact that you had to ask “In what way?” was the situation of Eastern European Jews living in the Russian empire different from that of Jews living in Israel today tells me you’re not simply ignorant, but operating in bad faith. What a ludicrous thing to ask.
And I should add, you asked this after he LITERALLY JUST EXPLAINED HOW IT WAS DIFFERENT. Are you even listening?
This was more of an interview than a debate.
Jake ends by saying Israel neglects morality for survival - that's exactly what the so called terrorists do, they neglect the morality of their actions to push their aims which in this case is also survival.
Jake is usually more nuanced in these conversations but this one not so much
Apparently a form of Antisemitism is holding Jews to a standard they deem to be unreasonable, so what is the word for holding an oppressed Palestinian to the standards you'd expect from someone living in a civil democracy with rights - is it racism or ignorance or just plain stupidity
Stop calling these debates. They are discussions. If they are debates, then Jake must better prepare. During debates, you don't go off screen to answer emails. Calling this a debate is like calling Mike Tyson vs Jake Paul the fight of the century. It's a sad display of puffery.
Was someone typing throughout this interview. What is the background sounds going on here…? Keeps coming in and out of this interview. So distracting.
Lol, quite a funny debate for two people who consider themselves intelligent. Next debate "are monkeys fish".
Perhaps it is you who lacks the intelligence to understand the conversation.
41:36 what about rockets from Gaza to Israel?
downvoter because of the interviewer..
41:05 what about Egypt?
Jake where did you find this guy😂
He sniffed him out ,for a trial he didn't prepare enough for.....at least he has the energy to keep the Israeli narrative as confusing as much as possible,by blames and moral quandary apathy 😢😢
He's good, isn't he? why? do you find this conversation uncomfortable?
@@michellenorris8471
nonsensical ≠ uncomfortable
@ Zio bot spotted!
@@michellenorris8471 you’ve replied that to like 3 of my comments. You good, buddy?
1:17 Jake typing too loud
Israeli schools are not legally segregated.
separate but equal eh? lol
@kylemarshall4559 There is no law requiring schools to be segregated. Jews and Arabs and Christians and Druze and etc etc, can send their children to any school in their district. Please stop the lies.
My daughter's schools have Arab teachers and there are Jewish teachers in schools in Arab towns.
@ there are major structural barriers to Palestinians attending Jewish schools, and do you support that the Jewish schools are given more money per student than Palestinian schools? It's separate and unequal.
You stop the lies.
@ There are structural barriers that keep Palestinians from attending Jewish schools. Also, do you agree with the fact that the Israeli government pays more in funding per student at Jewish schools than Palestinian schools? It's separate but unequal.
You stop the lies.
This such bs!
There 4 separate education systems in Israel it Jews and Arabs can be at the same schools (and they are in some places at the same schools.
Also the separate school systems are based on religious observances and Muslims prefer to go to a Muslim school.
Also acting like the judicial system is an external system and not part of the state is laughable.
I’m not even mentioning that my Jewish son have Arab/Palestinian teacher in his school and same goes to the kindergarten of my 5 years old.
It’s such a wired way to look at what actually happens in reality…
Israel isn’t perfect but we are living in such a different reality to what you guys experiencing oceans aways from here and all he does is overfitting his white guilt to something he doesn’t entirely understand nor he has any stake in.
It’s like progressives became the new neocons and actually think multicultural democracy is smth that can work in the Middle East.
Bunch of idiots
Tip of the hand 1. Peter cites school segregation as an example of legal inequality. Jake ask, what law dictates school segregation? Peter responds, 'well there isn't an explicit law'. Translation Peter thinks there is school segregation and attributes the reason to inequality in the legal system, but can't state a specific law. Clown
What? Apartheid South Africa became "safer" when apartheid ended. This guy knows nothing! Every year about 24,000 people are murdered in South Africa. The worst crime rate of any democratic country in the world. Yes, people have a say in government, but that has NOT made it safer. And STOP comparing Palestinians to South African apartheid. The ANC during apartheid very specifically had a policy to NOT target civilians. Yes, it did happen, 52 civilians were killed by the armed struggle. The Arab Palestinians were attacking Jewish civilians long before any Israeli state.
Keep trying to defend r@cism and ethno-supremacy. It won’t work.