I dont think anyone has intel on what KD's "Price" was before and directly after. The situation is just totally different, no team wants to give up a lot up for KD right now, knowing the Nets are in a tough spot with him wanting out. And if you go through the teams that even have the players and picks to trade for him, you'll find it hard for any team to justify to give all that up for 33 year old KD who will have get 45 mill per year. Especially after we saw against Boston that he cant be the one guy on the team who makes the buckets, he needs All Star players around him and he basically said so himself. And he wants to be a contender so what team can trade (what) for him and still have a good starting five with some good players from the bench. I can see Phx and Mia and that's about it. KD for Ayton, CP and 2-3 picks and maybe Payne or Crowder. For Miami, KD for Herro, Duncan, Oladipo and 2 picks. Dubs would be crazy to trade for him, they have built a dynasty of homegrown players as well as lay offs from other teams and made it work. Just coming from a ring, deep deep team with their potential future stars still growing. They shouldnt go down that route and trade away their literal soul. They cant get KD in 5 years on a 1 year deal or sth.
@@maxmeier532 yeah I agree. The warriors situation would be crazy. They got a good young core and I wouldn’t take that risk giving up such good prospects for a 33 year old guy on my 4 year bloated contract. Like you said, PHX and MIA are literally the two best trade destinations
Gobert's trade screwed KD big time. Seeing how much Twolves gave up for Gobert nobody will want to pay near that for KD and nets won't give him away either. He's staying in Brooklyn.
Some things to think about. KD faced a pretty tough defense in Boston and showed his age. And he's only getting older. You realistically have a one year window to win a chip with Paul, Booker, and Durant. And that falls firmly on Paul. KD may have showed his age a bit, but Paul went full send when the games got tougher. His body couldn't handle the workload. So basically, if you grab KD, you just mortgaged your future for one year. Signing Ayton keeps you having a young nucleus you can keep building around. And I don't know if old Paul, KD, and Booker can take a healthy Nuggets or GSWs. And how Chris Paul is going to guard Banes or Morant in Memphis...nah. Phoenix made the right play. They didn't want to turn into the Brooklyn Nets.
@@hahahahaflyer There is a reason talks about KD and the Suns have died down. Brooklyn does not want to take back as the best piece...Mikal Bridges. And what would be the point of taking all those first round picks if the Suns still have a solid future? All of your first round picks will be...non-lottery picks. The deal is to get Ayton to the Nets. No other piece other than Ayton or Booker is making the deal happen to get KD to the Suns. So are they able to? Sure. And I can purchase a T-Rex skeleton for $1, but it's not happening.
@@hahahahaflyer The only way to get it done was through a sign-and-trade. The Suns handcuffed themselves when they didn't make him an offer and he accepted the Indiana offer. I'm not understanding what you mean when you match salaries during a trade and he would be the max player you need to make salaries workable.
This is a Perkinsesque take. Ayton is one of the best centers in the NBA and is worth the money. He brings a lot of things to the plate that the Suns would miss if they let him go. He can be traded later down the road if they feel like it. They did the right thing. The Nets look like they are asking too much and maybe the Suns don’t want to pay for him.
@@AMHoops this video will be interesting to come back to if we somehow get KD. I gotta say I'm ecstatic we're keeping Ayton since he is one of the best centers in the league.
@@AMHoops although I know that KD's really good, but we seem to be forgetting that he's already what 33? 34? If Suns get KD they'd have to trade their youth, and although Suns loss last season, their players can still improve and may get better with experiences... And with KD wanting to move to Suns, he's asking the core to be intact, that'd be really really expensive and only showing that KD's not confident with his skills / capabilities... I don't even know why you guys still kept saying KD's the best when last season he failed to show that greatness on court even with Kyrie playing with him, not just simple fail, he failed miserably - 1st round swept exit... 🥴
This video is gonna age like milk once we get KD, whether that be before the season or in January. He’s still coming to Phoenix. Edit: Also, you’re Raptors trade isn’t much better than the Phoenix trade, and is actually worse for KD. You can either play with CP3, Book, and Ayton. Which has proven to work to an extent. Or give it a go with Scottie Barns, who can easily backslide this season, Fred, and Gary Trent Jr, a fairly unproven core. Ones clearly better than the other.
Yo Casey! You know I was waiting on this one! I feel like the Pacers were really trying to do the Suns a solid and Phoenix botched it because they couldn’t make a decision. Pacers got tired of waiting. The offer sheet was just a standard offer with no negative language for the signing team. Just crazy how poorly the Suns handled everything, and now they’re more hamstrung than they would’ve been doing a sign and trade.
@@MegaGiants89 actual value for Ayton would’ve been the cap flexibility to potentially trade for an actual max level player or making it work with Myles Turner on an expiring. The difference between Ayton and Turner isn’t all that much. If you’re smart and you want to improve the team, you always leave your options open
If I am Ayton, I really don’t want to play for the Suns anymore. It sucks that he’s stuck. He probably would have preferred they didn’t match the offer.
There is no way in hell that the Raptors are giving up Siakam, let alone both all-NBA Siakam and OG + picks. The rumored Raptors offer of OG, GTj, and picks is way way more than enough for a 33yo KD. Nets would pick up 2 young 24yo's potential stars plus the 1st round picks. I'm not even sure Masai would do that anyway. He's never traded more than one 1st rounder in any deal he has ever made.
@@WidgetWagyu47292 correct. They screwed up when they didn’t just offer the max a year ago. Terrible GM work by the suns. Could have signed him and then done a sign and trade
@@WidgetWagyu47292 yep. Absolutely terrible GM work. Now you’ve got a player who knows you wanted to trade him so he’s much more doubtful to buy in and sacrifice for the team and you still had to pay him anyway. Dysfunctional management by the subs and I think they take a big step back next year, especially if Ayton is bitter. Should have just signed him the max when it came available and then you have a trade asset under a long contract worst case scenario or a happy player who is bought into the team best case scenario. Now you have neither. Beyond dumb
The Suns were not the worst team when Chris Paul showed up. They didn't loose a game in the bubble and were hot... Chris did help, but they was a team on the rise
Most people arent raptor fans and dont follow the team so they dont know this but i'll spell it out for anyone who cares. Musai ujiri isnt trading fred vanvleet, scottie barnes, pascal siakam or precious achiuwa. Any trade you can imagine with those guys in it wont ever go down... Sorry. You might say"well he traded derozan!" .... after losing to lebron for 4 years and demar gave up on the team emotionally the final year. His hand was tied. He gave them years and they couldnt do it. That trade was desperation and it paid off but the raptors arent desperate. We were like the fifth best team in the nba from january to playoffs and our core is insanely young. This core is borderline a dynasty and musai ujiri specifically hand picked each of these players because he believes in them with his soul. The championship team was inherited and he made it work but this is finally his team. He wont sell his vision for durant or anybody. The best offer the raptors make to the nets would be: gary trent jr and og ananoby and a handful of firsts. Take it or leave it because we dont evne want durant that bad. We are super content with keeping our team as is. Only reason those guys are a consideration is the logjam of talent and minutes and expiring contracts.
I'd rather they run it back than trade their young core for an aging often injured durant. They have it in them things just didn't go their way in the end sadly. 2022-2023 season could certainly be their year. Of course we have to hope Ayton is all in because if he's not and causing a distraction it may be a long year for us.
@@CarlossWorld I'd rather have 3 rising young stars (Bridges, Johnson, Ayton) that have good chemistry together than 1 aging superstar that is often injured and often considered a bad team guy.
Raptors want to pair KD with Siakam, not send him out. OG, Gary Trent, Precious Achwiua and picks is more realistic from the Raptors side. Still beats out Phoenix’s offer and Miami’s. It would be smarter for Masai to just walk away then give away Siakam for a 34 year old
How in the earth are they gonna match this offer? Pelicans: Brandon Ingram, Larry Nance Jr. and multiple first round picks (maybe 5) Warriors: James Wiseman, Andrew Wiggins, Jonathan Kuminga, Moses Moody, multiple first round picks (maybe 3 or 4) Heat: Tyler Herro, Kyle Lowry, Duncan Robinson, multiple first roubd picks (maybe 5) Inorder to compete for KD, they need to offer Scottie Barnes, OG, Precious, multiple first round picks (maybe 3)
I don't see how the Suns running it back with their core and deep bench together that got them the best record in the NBA last season as "ruining their future". All of their talent are young studs (minus Chris Paul of course) that could have a long future together. Just because it is now unlikely that they will get KD, their future isn't "ruined". To be fair I don't think there is currently a single team in the league that could offer enough to what the Nets are asking for KD.
@@bandito241 Unless he does a Ben Simmons and he never suits up, than in January demands a trade of his choosing because he has the veto option. Then the Sun's are forced to trade for unwanted contracts with years left on them and wasting Bookers prime in the process. Ouch!
This is the first time that Phoenix has went into the luxury tax since 2009... What makes you think they won't go deeper into the luxury tax for k.d.???
Casey I like how you just dramatically turn on teams so fast. As a Suns fan, I want to see you make a video when we get Kevin Durant. Yes, KD is coming still.
@@austinneveau9387 only real suns fans knows our sources are legit. Resigning DA to the max does not hurt our chances at KD a single bit, James Jones matched the offer in 3 minutes, 3 minutes! If he knew it would hurt our chances, he would’ve take. The whole 48 hours to think through.
I completely agree Casey. Running it back with the EXACT same squad that got embarrassed in the 2nd round, is a horrific idea. Especially if Ayton doesn't even wanna be there, CP3 will be a year older, and who knows if Booker will actually take that next step to becoming a superstar. The ONLY thing that could make this worse for them, is if they end up dumping, Crowder, Bridges or Cam Johnson for nothing, in order to avoid the luxury tax, which is something I can see Sarver doing.
@@breezy4169 depends how you define superstar. To me, that’s a top 10 player in the league only. Top 15 players below that are “stars”. booker def isn’t a top 10 player IMO
At Age 25 same as Booker is now Steph curry made 1 all star team in 5 seasons and most points he averaged was 24 ppg most players aren't at their peak age 25 unless they rely on athleticism Booker will probably improve and ayton is only 23 best years for NBA players are usually 28-33
Raptors are gonna need to give more than just OG and Siakam. Probably would mean GTJ gets traded too and more FRPs and pick swaps. Problem is, Scottie Barnes isn't good enough yet to be the 2nd option on a championship team. So they won't even win by doing this.
OG maybe but trading Siakim or Barnes put KD in the same position he was in Nets. Kawhi was in the same position and Raptors did it without screwing with their rosters.
Scottie can definitely be a 2nd option. Playmaking. Passing. Defense. Leadership. IQ. Only thing he needs to thrive as a 2nd option is an elite shooter next to him. Which the Raps don’t have.
making up trades is fun, but some people think 2k is real life 😄 Why would Durant want to play with Toronto with Barnes? The whole point would be to pair Siakam with Durant. Also the Raptors with KD would be a 2nd round exit at best.
I'm sorry, the Raptors w/o OG and Siakim isn't winning a championship. Giving up your 2 best wing defenders isn't going to win you a championship, even if you do get KD in return.
There were no other teams with max cap space and interest in Ayton other than the Pacers. Them putting Phoenix on the clock meant Phoenix either had to match or lose Ayton for nothing. Pacers should waited on the KD domino to fall. The chance to acquire KD may have meant the Suns were more willing to part with Ayton in a sign and trade.
I knew that the Phoenix Suns made a bonehead mistake When they didn’t give DeAndre Ayton that max extension last summer and now they’re officially fucking screwed
The Suns had the best record in the league last year by a healthy margin. They lost a tight series because they had a disgruntled player who didn't get his bag. Well, he got that bag now. The Suns dealt with a big time distraction (Sarver's misogyny allegations) last year and held up admirably throughout most of it. I don't see how they don't grow from last year's experience and come out stronger this year. They have pretty much the same team that ruled the regular season last year. Meanwhile, the team that knocked them out is undergoing a major change, losing their second best player (Brunson) and having to work in an untested scorer (Wood) that doesn't defend that well. The Clippers will be getting back their best player (Kawhi) but who knows how long he lasts. The Lakers are still filled with the same drama. The defending champions just lost the bulk of their trusted bench and are looking to replace them with internal growth. The Jazz just lost their defensive centerpiece (Gobert) to Minnesota and the T'wolves will have to figure out how to work him into their system. The Grizzlies are the only major contender that hasn't undergone major change, aside from losing a few bench players. The way I see it, the Suns' window is as wide open as it has been these past couple of years.
I agree everyone hyping kd up to much like think about if let’s say they trade mikal Cameron and ayton and picks for kd and let’s say they have a Brooklyn nets year or lose in the 2nd round or one player gets hurt they have no bench to cover for them who says kd wouldn’t leave and the people that say he wanted to go to phoenix so did he about Brooklyn golden state ayton wanted to be here he just wanted to get paid and ima say it suns were kinda close still went to 7 and you could tell they weren’t the same looking back on it suns made the smart move
Finally. A reasonable comment that bodies the whole “the west will be better next year” argument. Running it back may not be the best thing in the world, but it’s not awful either. The team is battle tested now. Pretty much every single champion in the history of the league had to take its bumps and bruises before winning s chip. The Suns just got really good really quickly, so now everybody says they’re frauds and chokers. If they lose in the 2nd or 3rd round last year to a healthy team, the narrative changes. But bc they lost in the finals being up 2-0 and then choked this season they’re bums apparently. Three have more returning consistency still than most teams in the west.
Look at how the Harden trade to Brooklyn went down. Ideally, you use Ayton in a 3 team deal but just because he is off the table doesn't mean the Suns are screwed. If the Suns are KD's preferred destination, which they clearly are at this point, he will likely get his way like the other super stars in this league have. The Suns have good wings, tons of expiring contracts, and are the only team in the NBA who owns all of their draft picks going forward. The Nets have control over how long it takes and can drag a disgruntled Durant along for a bit, but unless Durant changes his mind on Brooklyn he'll get what he wants. When, not if.
If the Suns get a new owner, they will be fine. Load manage CP3 so he's healthy for the playoffs. Develop Booker and Aytons 2 man game for life after CP3. Get Johnson and Bridges more shots to develop their 3 & D game.
If anything, Ayton showed a great amount of professionalism last season with not voicing his displeasure at not getting a max extension and being the subject of trade talk. I think all will be fine. He's now set for life with that contract. He just needs to ball out this year and be more aggressive.
I mean he did give up and stop trying in a game 7 of a playoff series. And then yelled at the coach when he deservedly got benched. That wasn't very professional.
The Suns just have to sit until January to trade for KD as long as DA approves the deal otherwise it will be a year. People seem to forget that KD wants to play for Phoenix and he is a hall of famer in a player driven league. He will get what he wants even if it takes 6 or 12 months because nobody wants to trade for KD if he doesn't want to be there the same way he didn't want to be on the Nets. So Indiana complicated things with their offer sheet but aside from that in reality nothing has changed.
They have no chance at getting him now. I knew Suns would never trade for him in the first place. They didn't even wanna sign their #1 overall pick lol. KD on a stingy small market. Nah
The Gobert trade set a bad precedent for the league. The Nets arent trading Kevin Durant til he starts skipping regular season games like Ben Simmons...
I dont wanna be super negative or anything but it feels like the knowledge in each video is really surface level and the content mostly just relies on buzzwords and exciteable talking points. It wouldn't be as bad/weird if the guy wasnt talking like he knows all, idk why or how u compared wigs to Ayton in their early career, very different. Also u said the reason the suns didnt wanna offer 4 firsts and 3 swaps was bc "nobody else did". That reason itself would never even make sense to a front office, "shit everyone wants this guy, lets not make the best offer we dont wanna be the team making the best offer". Its clearly because hes an aging star who has a lot of questions surrounding him idk why ur telling the suns to leverage their future for that
That proposed trade for KD is stupid beyond belief. The Suns would literally mortgage their future for the *chance* to win now. You could make the argument that the Suns lost because when it mattered most Ayton quit and Paul sucked. Giving away all those players AND draft picks is an overpay of cosmic proportions.
Yes, Ayton is not good enough. Just my opinion. What has he done after the 2021 playoffs? His advanced numbers are not great either. He is good, but not as good as he was portrayed after 2021 playoffs
I hate that you brought up the Raptors. I genuinely hope it doesn't happen. I'd rather they build with what they have instead of trade away their future for a limited win now window. It could rival the Nets trading their future for Pierce and Garnett.
I was glad the Suns didn't trade away Bridges and C. Johnson and others for KD, but then seeing how they dealt with Ayton leaves me speechless and wondering if they should have.
I respectfully disagree with quite a bit of this, and it sounds like ur premise maybe slightly misinformed. Last year Aytons camp wanted a 5 year max deal which would have been $179M (give or take) - The Suns countered and said they didn’t dispute the value per year, but didn’t want to lock into a 5 year deal. This offseason as the KD talks looked like it was either not happening or further away than expected, they waited for the Pacers to send an offer sheet as they were not the team that drafted him they couldn’t offer as much as the suns potentially could per year. So they ended up matching a 4 year deal at $133M - so in the end they got both the contract length they wanted, for $40M less and now have a far more palatable contract attached to him than a $179 max would have been to trade in January or whenever they decide to. The $179/5 yr would have been a nightmare.
Hold up, no team is offering 4 first round picks for Durant? But Utah got 5 for Gobert? What the heck is going on?! Is Danny Ainge finessing the league again??
Ain't no one saying ayton ruined his bright future for getting 130+ million dollars. They saying suns screwed up not resigning ayton sooner and missing out on the KD sweepstakes 🤦♂️
How they mess up what if KD never requested a trade ?Then what?just cause KD said he wants to play for Suns doesn't mean it was a guarantee that he would go there you can't operate on hopes with no guarantee smh
Bruh the suns are not getting Kd they aren’t giving up Booker the Nets literally asked for two all stars from Timberwolves they sure we’re just gonna take Bridges,Ayton, Cam and picks like thats stupid
The only reason to trade your future for KD is if he guarantees your team a championship. If the Nets insist on getting back a return that guts the team trading for KD, it's like the Nets aren't really interested in trading KD and just going through the motions to appease his trade request.
My SUNS are NOT losers, they are just fine and humbled. No matter what the future holds for our team, they play with humble and respect. KD just needs to find a team to play for
Phoenix wants to keep Ayton always did they just didn't want to max him and by letting him sign an offer sheet and matching they actually saved money by doing it that way. So Phoenix won out in the end..
Wiggins did not leave a bad culture lmao Wiggins got traded for Kevin love then the cavs won a championship. Had a disappointing career in Minnesota and got traded again and finally found his role but as a number one pick he's still disappointing. That would've taken 15 seconds.
The Suns messed up when they gave CP3 that extension....CP3 and Booker in the backcourt/ two undersized guards is a defensive liability in the playoffs so the Suns will always be a first or second round exit..
🤦🏻♂️ 1. We offered him this same 4 year deal last year. DA declined. Wanted 5th year or bust. 2. We matched IND's offer sheet in 90 seconds. In doing so, we saved appx $40m. 3. BKN never wanted DA. If they didn't want DA, you think they want Turner??? 😂😂😂 Please. 4. Sarver has come out and said he's willing to go full luxury tax to get KD. 3-5 team deal that involves Mitchell to BKN is still very much an option. 5. Wojo said KD was committed to Kyrie as soon as Kyrie opted in. Less than 24 hours later, KD requested a trade. Wojo is nothing more than a Sean Mark's mouthpiece. Go look at his reporting during the Harden trade 😂 Ok, I think that's everything you got wrong.
Thanks for the comment. I agree with your first point. Beyond that, I’ll believe it when I see it especially as it pertains to Sarcee. Also…I never said Turner would be included in the 3 team deal.
@@AMHoops sorry if it came across condescending. Just seeing the same take from a lot of people who miss the first point, and are talking about how IND fleeced us. Clearly, it's the other way around. Caused them to make moves to weaken their roster to create cap space for Ayton, only for us to match in literally 90 seconds 😂 Just don't get how anyone can not see the brilliance in how JJ handled this.
Phoenix made the franchise-ruining mistake 4 years ago; this Ayton contract is just a necessary repercussion of having a contending team despite that mistake. They f----d themselves when they decided to draft Ayton over Luka Doncic. That is Sam Bowie/Darko Milicic levels of draft incompetence and takes a decade+ from which to recover. Also, don't be shortsighted. Ayton can be traded after 1/15/23. That's well before the deadline. And I'm quite sure Broolyn made it painfully clear that an Ayton-Bridges package for KD was legitimately dead-last on their list of offers. The stupidity of that draft selection 4yrs ago put them in this impossible position where they essentially *have* to match this offer or lose a 23yr old former #1 pick for literally nothing. 30 NBA GMs out of 30 would have matched the offer & resigned Ayton under these conditions. They had no choice. What you need to understand is that they ruined their chance at a title many years prior, and this is just collateral damage from that cataclysmic error.
Couple things…1 they drafted Ayton off of fit for their team, 2. U acting like he’s a scrub for some reason he’s 22 averaging 17pts 10 boards and a few blocks (idk the number, don’t really care to look it up), yea I get he’s not Trae or Luka but he’s already a top 5 C in the league, he was definitely worth this contract
@@prestonkelly4825 You’re totally right. A lot of people forget the Suns were in desperate need of a starting quality center. They also fail to realize the Suns saved maybe 70 million on Ayton’s max by waiting the extra year. If they offered him last year they would be giving 177 million (with a 207 million multiplier for performance). Kinda crazy.
1:31 “Yes, they could still get KD, but that is not gonna happen.” Famous last words
1 year later, KD gets swept with Booker on the Suns 😭
Ever since that Gobert trade, the asking price for KD just jumped. I don’t think KD will get traded anytime soon. So we’ll see how this plays out.
I dont think anyone has intel on what KD's "Price" was before and directly after. The situation is just totally different, no team wants to give up a lot up for KD right now, knowing the Nets are in a tough spot with him wanting out. And if you go through the teams that even have the players and picks to trade for him, you'll find it hard for any team to justify to give all that up for 33 year old KD who will have get 45 mill per year. Especially after we saw against Boston that he cant be the one guy on the team who makes the buckets, he needs All Star players around him and he basically said so himself. And he wants to be a contender so what team can trade (what) for him and still have a good starting five with some good players from the bench. I can see Phx and Mia and that's about it. KD for Ayton, CP and 2-3 picks and maybe Payne or Crowder. For Miami, KD for Herro, Duncan, Oladipo and 2 picks. Dubs would be crazy to trade for him, they have built a dynasty of homegrown players as well as lay offs from other teams and made it work. Just coming from a ring, deep deep team with their potential future stars still growing. They shouldnt go down that route and trade away their literal soul. They cant get KD in 5 years on a 1 year deal or sth.
@@maxmeier532 yeah I agree. The warriors situation would be crazy. They got a good young core and I wouldn’t take that risk giving up such good prospects for a 33 year old guy on my 4 year bloated contract. Like you said, PHX and MIA are literally the two best trade destinations
And now the asking price for Donovan Mitchell will make KD trade impossible
KD is old and damaged. bad asset.
Gobert's trade screwed KD big time. Seeing how much Twolves gave up for Gobert nobody will want to pay near that for KD and nets won't give him away either. He's staying in Brooklyn.
How do so many billion dollar franchises have such incompetent management? Is it directly related to ownership?
More likely the GM Ayton will be gone in a year because the Sun's are too CP3 dependent when he goes the system changes
Some things to think about. KD faced a pretty tough defense in Boston and showed his age. And he's only getting older. You realistically have a one year window to win a chip with Paul, Booker, and Durant. And that falls firmly on Paul. KD may have showed his age a bit, but Paul went full send when the games got tougher. His body couldn't handle the workload.
So basically, if you grab KD, you just mortgaged your future for one year. Signing Ayton keeps you having a young nucleus you can keep building around.
And I don't know if old Paul, KD, and Booker can take a healthy Nuggets or GSWs. And how Chris Paul is going to guard Banes or Morant in Memphis...nah. Phoenix made the right play. They didn't want to turn into the Brooklyn Nets.
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Well if they trade for kd they’d still be able to keep ayton to build around booker for the future after kd and Cp3 are gone
@@hahahahaflyer There is a reason talks about KD and the Suns have died down. Brooklyn does not want to take back as the best piece...Mikal Bridges. And what would be the point of taking all those first round picks if the Suns still have a solid future? All of your first round picks will be...non-lottery picks.
The deal is to get Ayton to the Nets. No other piece other than Ayton or Booker is making the deal happen to get KD to the Suns.
So are they able to? Sure. And I can purchase a T-Rex skeleton for $1, but it's not happening.
@@atrantech11 true but ayton was never going to Brooklyn cause he would have hard capped them in the sign and trade.
@@hahahahaflyer The only way to get it done was through a sign-and-trade. The Suns handcuffed themselves when they didn't make him an offer and he accepted the Indiana offer. I'm not understanding what you mean when you match salaries during a trade and he would be the max player you need to make salaries workable.
This is a Perkinsesque take. Ayton is one of the best centers in the NBA and is worth the money. He brings a lot of things to the plate that the Suns would miss if they let him go. He can be traded later down the road if they feel like it. They did the right thing.
The Nets look like they are asking too much and maybe the Suns don’t want to pay for him.
So your solution is to run it back with the exact same squad?
@@AMHoops yeah I’m not sure if that’s the best idea…
You match that 100 times out of 100, they always planned to match they made the same offer last year.
@@AMHoops this video will be interesting to come back to if we somehow get KD. I gotta say I'm ecstatic we're keeping Ayton since he is one of the best centers in the league.
@@AMHoops although I know that KD's really good, but we seem to be forgetting that he's already what 33? 34? If Suns get KD they'd have to trade their youth, and although Suns loss last season, their players can still improve and may get better with experiences... And with KD wanting to move to Suns, he's asking the core to be intact, that'd be really really expensive and only showing that KD's not confident with his skills / capabilities...
I don't even know why you guys still kept saying KD's the best when last season he failed to show that greatness on court even with Kyrie playing with him, not just simple fail, he failed miserably - 1st round swept exit... 🥴
This video is gonna age like milk once we get KD, whether that be before the season or in January. He’s still coming to Phoenix. Edit: Also, you’re Raptors trade isn’t much better than the Phoenix trade, and is actually worse for KD. You can either play with CP3, Book, and Ayton. Which has proven to work to an extent. Or give it a go with Scottie Barns, who can easily backslide this season, Fred, and Gary Trent Jr, a fairly unproven core. Ones clearly better than the other.
Yo Casey! You know I was waiting on this one! I feel like the Pacers were really trying to do the Suns a solid and Phoenix botched it because they couldn’t make a decision. Pacers got tired of waiting. The offer sheet was just a standard offer with no negative language for the signing team. Just crazy how poorly the Suns handled everything, and now they’re more hamstrung than they would’ve been doing a sign and trade.
Suns matched the offer lol we have ayton on our team
@@iversonvlogs1021 an ayton you pissed off you mean
@@anthonyle3803 let him cry bout it he aint worth more than he got paid. Man still got a fuckin bag.
The Suns didn't feel they would get equal value for Ayton via Sign & Trade, matching was the best move possible and not lose him for nothing.
@@MegaGiants89 actual value for Ayton would’ve been the cap flexibility to potentially trade for an actual max level player or making it work with Myles Turner on an expiring. The difference between Ayton and Turner isn’t all that much. If you’re smart and you want to improve the team, you always leave your options open
If I am Ayton, I really don’t want to play for the Suns anymore. It sucks that he’s stuck. He probably would have preferred they didn’t match the offer.
His ultimate goal is to get paid anyway, and he already got it. Now let's see how professional both he and the Suns are.
@@jaymaledic5730 he wanted to get paid a max, which is not what Phoenix is giving him
He should demand a trade, even though he can't be traded until January haha.
How do you know that?
@@anthonyle3803 He got Pacers Max which is smaller than Phoenix Max. He got screwed out of $40 million. I wouldn't be happy with Pacers if I'm him.
He's so tight he squeaks when he walks shit I died
This woman have no chills.
There is no way in hell that the Raptors are giving up Siakam, let alone both all-NBA Siakam and OG + picks. The rumored Raptors offer of OG, GTj, and picks is way way more than enough for a 33yo KD. Nets would pick up 2 young 24yo's potential stars plus the 1st round picks. I'm not even sure Masai would do that anyway. He's never traded more than one 1st rounder in any deal he has ever made.
He’s so tight he squeaks when he walks..
Lol
Actually had me laughing when she said that lmao
Wow finally someone in the comments who saw that(:
The suns still have a -105 chance of getting Kevin durant. I still think KD will land in Phoenix at this time
Me too they still have a decent package and are the only team that will still have some good players left after the trade to compete for chip with kd
The Nets won't trade their superstar to get a bunch of roles players.
The only option for KD is to give Booker in exchange
This aged well
Why wouldn’t the Suns want to do a sign and trade for Miles Turner and Buddy Hield? 🤦🏾 But I think it’s Bc they aren’t able to or something
They legally can’t trade Ayton if they wanted to until December
@@Romanus- not if it was a sign and trade now yea they can’t trade him.
@@WidgetWagyu47292 correct. They screwed up when they didn’t just offer the max a year ago. Terrible GM work by the suns. Could have signed him and then done a sign and trade
@@Romanus- yup or even use him as asset in a trade for KD now they can’t even trade him away yet till 6 months or a year from now.
@@WidgetWagyu47292 yep. Absolutely terrible GM work. Now you’ve got a player who knows you wanted to trade him so he’s much more doubtful to buy in and sacrifice for the team and you still had to pay him anyway. Dysfunctional management by the subs and I think they take a big step back next year, especially if Ayton is bitter. Should have just signed him the max when it came available and then you have a trade asset under a long contract worst case scenario or a happy player who is bought into the team best case scenario. Now you have neither. Beyond dumb
The highlight was that grandma berating Sarver lmao
The Suns were not the worst team when Chris Paul showed up. They didn't loose a game in the bubble and were hot... Chris did help, but they was a team on the rise
Most people arent raptor fans and dont follow the team so they dont know this but i'll spell it out for anyone who cares.
Musai ujiri isnt trading fred vanvleet, scottie barnes, pascal siakam or precious achiuwa. Any trade you can imagine with those guys in it wont ever go down... Sorry. You might say"well he traded derozan!" .... after losing to lebron for 4 years and demar gave up on the team emotionally the final year. His hand was tied. He gave them years and they couldnt do it. That trade was desperation and it paid off but the raptors arent desperate. We were like the fifth best team in the nba from january to playoffs and our core is insanely young. This core is borderline a dynasty and musai ujiri specifically hand picked each of these players because he believes in them with his soul. The championship team was inherited and he made it work but this is finally his team. He wont sell his vision for durant or anybody.
The best offer the raptors make to the nets would be:
gary trent jr and og ananoby and a handful of firsts. Take it or leave it because we dont evne want durant that bad. We are super content with keeping our team as is. Only reason those guys are a consideration is the logjam of talent and minutes and expiring contracts.
I'd rather they run it back than trade their young core for an aging often injured durant. They have it in them things just didn't go their way in the end sadly. 2022-2023 season could certainly be their year. Of course we have to hope Ayton is all in because if he's not and causing a distraction it may be a long year for us.
Aging often injured Durant better player then their entire roster
@@CarlossWorld I'd rather have 3 rising young stars (Bridges, Johnson, Ayton) that have good chemistry together than 1 aging superstar that is often injured and often considered a bad team guy.
Imagine the Nets getting Booker, retain Blake, steals Clarkson and Russel. All Jenner team.
Raptors want to pair KD with Siakam, not send him out. OG, Gary Trent, Precious Achwiua and picks is more realistic from the Raptors side. Still beats out Phoenix’s offer and Miami’s. It would be smarter for Masai to just walk away then give away Siakam for a 34 year old
We’ll I did say it was their “best” offer without including Barnes - not necessarily what they’d prefer.
OG , GTJ, flynn and 2 picks
I feel like Toronto is focused on not giving up Barnes at all costs, doesn’t seem like they’re focused on pairing siakam with someone
How in the earth are they gonna match this offer?
Pelicans: Brandon Ingram, Larry Nance Jr. and multiple first round picks (maybe 5)
Warriors: James Wiseman, Andrew Wiggins, Jonathan Kuminga, Moses Moody, multiple first round picks (maybe 3 or 4)
Heat: Tyler Herro, Kyle Lowry, Duncan Robinson, multiple first roubd picks (maybe 5)
Inorder to compete for KD, they need to offer Scottie Barnes, OG, Precious, multiple first round picks (maybe 3)
that would be a terrible trade.
I don't see how the Suns running it back with their core and deep bench together that got them the best record in the NBA last season as "ruining their future". All of their talent are young studs (minus Chris Paul of course) that could have a long future together. Just because it is now unlikely that they will get KD, their future isn't "ruined". To be fair I don't think there is currently a single team in the league that could offer enough to what the Nets are asking for KD.
Because he wants clickbait 🤣🤣🤣
Anyone here after KD became a sun
Deandre Ayton is a all star caliber player
that under performed in Suns 2-0 lead
@@williamgray5491 I have so stuff I want to say about this comment but you do realize I’m talking about all star not mvp right
@@HampETX903 yup
Phoenix didn’t have a choice. They could still trade him instead of losing Ayton to Indiana for nothing.
90 Days
@@kl13fan no but till Jan 2023
@@waikit828 better than not having him there.
@@bandito241 Unless he does a Ben Simmons and he never suits up, than in January demands a trade of his choosing because he has the veto option.
Then the Sun's are forced to trade for unwanted contracts with years left on them and wasting Bookers prime in the process.
Ouch!
This is the first time that Phoenix has went into the luxury tax since 2009... What makes you think they won't go deeper into the luxury tax for k.d.???
Casey I like how you just dramatically turn on teams so fast. As a Suns fan, I want to see you make a video when we get Kevin Durant. Yes, KD is coming still.
How
I think you have a better chance of Charles Barkley suiting up for the Suns again than KD getting traded there.
@@austinneveau9387 only real suns fans knows our sources are legit. Resigning DA to the max does not hurt our chances at KD a single bit, James Jones matched the offer in 3 minutes, 3 minutes! If he knew it would hurt our chances, he would’ve take. The whole 48 hours to think through.
@@nintendoconvert4045 you wait and see
@@nintendoconvert4045i agree
I completely agree Casey. Running it back with the EXACT same squad that got embarrassed in the 2nd round, is a horrific idea. Especially if Ayton doesn't even wanna be there, CP3 will be a year older, and who knows if Booker will actually take that next step to becoming a superstar. The ONLY thing that could make this worse for them, is if they end up dumping, Crowder, Bridges or Cam Johnson for nothing, in order to avoid the luxury tax, which is something I can see Sarver doing.
Booker is a superstar tho
I think ayton and booker can be a good combo
@@breezy4169 depends how you define superstar. To me, that’s a top 10 player in the league only. Top 15 players below that are “stars”. booker def isn’t a top 10 player IMO
At Age 25 same as Booker is now Steph curry made 1 all star team in 5 seasons and most points he averaged was 24 ppg most players aren't at their peak age 25 unless they rely on athleticism Booker will probably improve and ayton is only 23 best years for NBA players are usually 28-33
@Darius Richardson nah he def not he’s a tier below
In classic Robert Sarver fashion
I like this channel so much that as soon as a click the video I click like. One of the most professional NBA content creators on RUclips for sure.
Damn! Thanks! This made my day!
They now want KD.... but what future is KD?
We saw him.... he literally say "F*** the contracts"
Devin booker will leave in like 5 years
i give it two
Nah he's one of those guys who stupidly stay loyal (or take all the money they can get) like Beal, Dame, etc
@@MrE_ Not willy when the suns were dog shit he wanted be trade
Suns in 4... years will lose Booker.
@@MrE_ You the same mf that got mad when KD went to GSW?
Raptors are gonna need to give more than just OG and Siakam. Probably would mean GTJ gets traded too and more FRPs and pick swaps.
Problem is, Scottie Barnes isn't good enough yet to be the 2nd option on a championship team. So they won't even win by doing this.
Fvv?
OG maybe but trading Siakim or Barnes put KD in the same position he was in Nets. Kawhi was in the same position and Raptors did it without screwing with their rosters.
Lol Raptors aren’t offering Scottie or Siakam. No one is giving up an All-NBA player and elite 3 and D wing for KD.
@@Farhan917 raptors had derozan to trade though
Scottie can definitely be a 2nd option. Playmaking. Passing. Defense. Leadership. IQ. Only thing he needs to thrive as a 2nd option is an elite shooter next to him. Which the Raps don’t have.
No Paskal, No Barnes!! OG, GTJ and maybe Precious plus picks is the most Masai will give up
No way! No way the Raps give up Siakim in a trade. Nope
making up trades is fun, but some people think 2k is real life 😄 Why would Durant want to play with Toronto with Barnes? The whole point would be to pair Siakam with Durant. Also the Raptors with KD would be a 2nd round exit at best.
Kd is not leaving unless the nets lower their asking price
The Raps aren't trading an all NBA 27 year old most disrespected two way superstar in the NBA for Kevin Durant
I'm sorry, the Raptors w/o OG and Siakim isn't winning a championship. Giving up your 2 best wing defenders isn't going to win you a championship, even if you do get KD in return.
If James Jones still gets KD you owe him a video and another “The nets ruined everything!” video
YOU HAVE MY WORD!!
Ok, so they offered him a 4 year max last off season, they wanted 5, they let him find his market and matched. KD is still on the table.
There were no other teams with max cap space and interest in Ayton other than the Pacers. Them putting Phoenix on the clock meant Phoenix either had to match or lose Ayton for nothing. Pacers should waited on the KD domino to fall. The chance to acquire KD may have meant the Suns were more willing to part with Ayton in a sign and trade.
I agree,but I also feel that the Pacers kind of panicked because they didn't want to risk waiting for another month or more.
They made a mistake by giving cp3 a max contract giving that he always injured
Plus he is too old Jaja 🤣
I knew that the Phoenix Suns made a bonehead mistake When they didn’t give DeAndre Ayton that max extension last summer and now they’re officially fucking screwed
Chris Paul congrats on 0x rings during your whole career!
Am hoops should be in a room with Steven a Smith because he such a great reporter
The Suns had the best record in the league last year by a healthy margin. They lost a tight series because they had a disgruntled player who didn't get his bag. Well, he got that bag now. The Suns dealt with a big time distraction (Sarver's misogyny allegations) last year and held up admirably throughout most of it. I don't see how they don't grow from last year's experience and come out stronger this year. They have pretty much the same team that ruled the regular season last year. Meanwhile, the team that knocked them out is undergoing a major change, losing their second best player (Brunson) and having to work in an untested scorer (Wood) that doesn't defend that well. The Clippers will be getting back their best player (Kawhi) but who knows how long he lasts. The Lakers are still filled with the same drama. The defending champions just lost the bulk of their trusted bench and are looking to replace them with internal growth. The Jazz just lost their defensive centerpiece (Gobert) to Minnesota and the T'wolves will have to figure out how to work him into their system. The Grizzlies are the only major contender that hasn't undergone major change, aside from losing a few bench players. The way I see it, the Suns' window is as wide open as it has been these past couple of years.
I agree everyone hyping kd up to much like think about if let’s say they trade mikal Cameron and ayton and picks for kd and let’s say they have a Brooklyn nets year or lose in the 2nd round or one player gets hurt they have no bench to cover for them who says kd wouldn’t leave and the people that say he wanted to go to phoenix so did he about Brooklyn golden state ayton wanted to be here he just wanted to get paid and ima say it suns were kinda close still went to 7 and you could tell they weren’t the same looking back on it suns made the smart move
Finally. A reasonable comment that bodies the whole “the west will be better next year” argument. Running it back may not be the best thing in the world, but it’s not awful either. The team is battle tested now. Pretty much every single champion in the history of the league had to take its bumps and bruises before winning s chip. The Suns just got really good really quickly, so now everybody says they’re frauds and chokers. If they lose in the 2nd or 3rd round last year to a healthy team, the narrative changes. But bc they lost in the finals being up 2-0 and then choked this season they’re bums apparently. Three have more returning consistency still than most teams in the west.
i’m working on a video on everything you’ve gotten wrong (a lot) and this is probably gonna be apart of it too
Look at how the Harden trade to Brooklyn went down. Ideally, you use Ayton in a 3 team deal but just because he is off the table doesn't mean the Suns are screwed. If the Suns are KD's preferred destination, which they clearly are at this point, he will likely get his way like the other super stars in this league have. The Suns have good wings, tons of expiring contracts, and are the only team in the NBA who owns all of their draft picks going forward. The Nets have control over how long it takes and can drag a disgruntled Durant along for a bit, but unless Durant changes his mind on Brooklyn he'll get what he wants. When, not if.
So... The Phoenix Suns sat out DeAndre Ayton during the playoffs for nothing lol.
Highly underrated channel
If the Suns get a new owner, they will be fine. Load manage CP3 so he's healthy for the playoffs. Develop Booker and Aytons 2 man game for life after CP3. Get Johnson and Bridges more shots to develop their 3 & D game.
Nailed it.
Suns window closed. relying on ayton to be a number 2 is a waste of time and money. You want to win get kd
With proper training and mentality, in all nba player, ayton is the most nearest person to be the next gianis, you hear it 1st from me
If anything, Ayton showed a great amount of professionalism last season with not voicing his displeasure at not getting a max extension and being the subject of trade talk. I think all will be fine. He's now set for life with that contract. He just needs to ball out this year and be more aggressive.
I mean he did give up and stop trying in a game 7 of a playoff series. And then yelled at the coach when he deservedly got benched. That wasn't very professional.
@@harrygarris6921 Yeah, but he wasn't the only one that gave up that game. The whole team checked out midway through the second quarter.
I love coming back to these videos because this did not age well
The Suns just have to sit until January to trade for KD as long as DA approves the deal otherwise it will be a year. People seem to forget that KD wants to play for Phoenix and he is a hall of famer in a player driven league. He will get what he wants even if it takes 6 or 12 months because nobody wants to trade for KD if he doesn't want to be there the same way he didn't want to be on the Nets. So Indiana complicated things with their offer sheet but aside from that in reality nothing has changed.
Ayton would’ve been really good in Indiana with Haliburton.
They have no chance at getting him now. I knew Suns would never trade for him in the first place. They didn't even wanna sign their #1 overall pick lol. KD on a stingy small market. Nah
i agree that we (raptors) are about to get kd but idk about siakam. id rather trade og, gtj, flynn, and boucher and the 2 picks.
The Gobert trade set a bad precedent for the league.
The Nets arent trading Kevin Durant til he starts skipping regular season games like Ben Simmons...
You remind me of that Andy Samberg character in parks and rec who yells every time he talks.
Luka basically beat the Suns 1v5 and now he's got Christian Wood. I guess CP0 will remain ringless
I dont wanna be super negative or anything but it feels like the knowledge in each video is really surface level and the content mostly just relies on buzzwords and exciteable talking points. It wouldn't be as bad/weird if the guy wasnt talking like he knows all, idk why or how u compared wigs to Ayton in their early career, very different. Also u said the reason the suns didnt wanna offer 4 firsts and 3 swaps was bc "nobody else did". That reason itself would never even make sense to a front office, "shit everyone wants this guy, lets not make the best offer we dont wanna be the team making the best offer". Its clearly because hes an aging star who has a lot of questions surrounding him idk why ur telling the suns to leverage their future for that
That proposed trade for KD is stupid beyond belief. The Suns would literally mortgage their future for the *chance* to win now. You could make the argument that the Suns lost because when it mattered most Ayton quit and Paul sucked. Giving away all those players AND draft picks is an overpay of cosmic proportions.
Yes, Ayton is not good enough. Just my opinion. What has he done after the 2021 playoffs? His advanced numbers are not great either. He is good, but not as good as he was portrayed after 2021 playoffs
I definitely didn’t watch him
We the North won’t trade Siakim or Barnes for an older player and us be patient is working in our favour.
The Nets didn't want DA, the Suns saved money by just matching the Pacers. Myles Turner is injured constantly and sucks. This is nothing
Kd and Beal are now both on the suns
I hate that you brought up the Raptors. I genuinely hope it doesn't happen. I'd rather they build with what they have instead of trade away their future for a limited win now window. It could rival the Nets trading their future for Pierce and Garnett.
NBA teams aren't as willing to mortgage the farm anymore is what it feels like.
maybe KD heard about how much he did for the nets and maybe they'd trade him to one of his top 2 destinations
6 months later and it didn't matter because they got kd anyway
i’ve already got some chants ready for when i go see the suns and pacers here in phoenix
Been waiting 4 this
That was Pippen with the hockey assist to Paxson. Wow, Pippen gets no love. 😂
Suns definitely made a mistake cp3 is gonna not gonna be the same and who knows what’s going to happen to booker
I was glad the Suns didn't trade away Bridges and C. Johnson and others for KD, but then seeing how they dealt with Ayton leaves me speechless and wondering if they should have.
I respectfully disagree with quite a bit of this, and it sounds like ur premise maybe slightly misinformed.
Last year Aytons camp wanted a 5 year max deal which would have been $179M (give or take) - The Suns countered and said they didn’t dispute the value per year, but didn’t want to lock into a 5 year deal. This offseason as the KD talks looked like it was either not happening or further away than expected, they waited for the Pacers to send an offer sheet as they were not the team that drafted him they couldn’t offer as much as the suns potentially could per year. So they ended up matching a 4 year deal at $133M - so in the end they got both the contract length they wanted, for $40M less and now have a far more palatable contract attached to him than a $179 max would have been to trade in January or whenever they decide to. The $179/5 yr would have been a nightmare.
Hold up, no team is offering 4 first round picks for Durant? But Utah got 5 for Gobert? What the heck is going on?! Is Danny Ainge finessing the league again??
I would say treat these rumors with a grain of salt.
Ayton ruined his bright future by competing for another finals with Phoenix. It's over for this guy 🙄🤦🏻♂️
Ain't no one saying ayton ruined his bright future for getting 130+ million dollars. They saying suns screwed up not resigning ayton sooner and missing out on the KD sweepstakes 🤦♂️
They made a mistake when they didn’t draft Luka. Everyone in Europe knew that!
How they mess up what if KD never requested a trade ?Then what?just cause KD said he wants to play for Suns doesn't mean it was a guarantee that he would go there you can't operate on hopes with no guarantee smh
me after kd got traded to phoneix
But how they did what they had to do.
But they should’ve did a sign and trade for turner.
Bruh the suns are not getting Kd they aren’t giving up Booker the Nets literally asked for two all stars from Timberwolves they sure we’re just gonna take Bridges,Ayton, Cam and picks like thats stupid
The nets won’t get two stars for KD any time soon
It does matter whether KD wants to go there or not. This is not the NFL, the NBA is a players league
Suns became scared they panicked haha
This video aged well😂
The only reason to trade your future for KD is if he guarantees your team a championship. If the Nets insist on getting back a return that guts the team trading for KD, it's like the Nets aren't really interested in trading KD and just going through the motions to appease his trade request.
My SUNS are NOT losers, they are just fine and humbled. No matter what the future holds for our team, they play with humble and respect. KD just needs to find a team to play for
Suns made the first mistake drafting Ayton over Luka. Why would anything good happen to a Valley sports team? KD was never going to come here.
Phoenix wants to keep Ayton always did they just didn't want to max him and by letting him sign an offer sheet and matching they actually saved money by doing it that way. So Phoenix won out in the end..
Nah.🤣
this video didn't age well
POV : ur so early that u dont know what to say lol
Wiggins did not leave a bad culture lmao Wiggins got traded for Kevin love then the cavs won a championship. Had a disappointing career in Minnesota and got traded again and finally found his role but as a number one pick he's still disappointing. That would've taken 15 seconds.
The Suns messed up when they gave CP3 that extension....CP3 and Booker in the backcourt/ two undersized guards is a defensive liability in the playoffs so the Suns will always be a first or second round exit..
🤦🏻♂️
1. We offered him this same 4 year deal last year. DA declined. Wanted 5th year or bust.
2. We matched IND's offer sheet in 90 seconds. In doing so, we saved appx $40m.
3. BKN never wanted DA. If they didn't want DA, you think they want Turner??? 😂😂😂 Please.
4. Sarver has come out and said he's willing to go full luxury tax to get KD. 3-5 team deal that involves Mitchell to BKN is still very much an option.
5. Wojo said KD was committed to Kyrie as soon as Kyrie opted in. Less than 24 hours later, KD requested a trade. Wojo is nothing more than a Sean Mark's mouthpiece. Go look at his reporting during the Harden trade 😂
Ok, I think that's everything you got wrong.
Thanks for the comment. I agree with your first point. Beyond that, I’ll believe it when I see it especially as it pertains to Sarcee. Also…I never said Turner would be included in the 3 team deal.
@@AMHoops sorry if it came across condescending. Just seeing the same take from a lot of people who miss the first point, and are talking about how IND fleeced us. Clearly, it's the other way around. Caused them to make moves to weaken their roster to create cap space for Ayton, only for us to match in literally 90 seconds 😂 Just don't get how anyone can not see the brilliance in how JJ handled this.
You not getting Pascal, Brooklyn.
Phoenix made the franchise-ruining mistake 4 years ago; this Ayton contract is just a necessary repercussion of having a contending team despite that mistake. They f----d themselves when they decided to draft Ayton over Luka Doncic. That is Sam Bowie/Darko Milicic levels of draft incompetence and takes a decade+ from which to recover. Also, don't be shortsighted. Ayton can be traded after 1/15/23. That's well before the deadline. And I'm quite sure Broolyn made it painfully clear that an Ayton-Bridges package for KD was legitimately dead-last on their list of offers. The stupidity of that draft selection 4yrs ago put them in this impossible position where they essentially *have* to match this offer or lose a 23yr old former #1 pick for literally nothing. 30 NBA GMs out of 30 would have matched the offer & resigned Ayton under these conditions. They had no choice. What you need to understand is that they ruined their chance at a title many years prior, and this is just collateral damage from that cataclysmic error.
Couple things…1 they drafted Ayton off of fit for their team, 2. U acting like he’s a scrub for some reason he’s 22 averaging 17pts 10 boards and a few blocks (idk the number, don’t really care to look it up), yea I get he’s not Trae or Luka but he’s already a top 5 C in the league, he was definitely worth this contract
@@prestonkelly4825 You’re totally right. A lot of people forget the Suns were in desperate need of a starting quality center. They also fail to realize the Suns saved maybe 70 million on Ayton’s max by waiting the extra year. If they offered him last year they would be giving 177 million (with a 207 million multiplier for performance). Kinda crazy.
You act like suns haven’t improved since drafting Ayton. If they drafted luka instead you think they would have went as far? Probably not.
I wouldnt be so quick to jettison the configuration that got em to the finals. Hate to say it but maybe Crowder could be replaced. Thats about it.
I think the Nets and KD will workout. Kinda like the 07 Kobe situation….
I agree too. The diva duo have not played with Ben Simmons. Joe Harris should come back healthy next season too.
Bro they refused to play him in that game 7 who quit on who again??