When i was in high school i did some basic electronics and the last project we did was make our own pcb but back then we had to pretty much hand draw all our traces but it was still a lot of fun
Wait a minute...You said that if there are any intreruptions in the lines after the transfer of the ink to the copper board I can use a Sharpie to cover them up.So , does this mean that I can directly draw on the copper surface with a Sharpie (no printer) and then continue the process?
The video is really great but while removing the paper I recommend not to remove it in soapy water. once I had done the same my board was ruined after etching. use normal water. some soaps have chemicals which might disturb the process of etching. this is my personal experience. keep up the good work scott
I don't have printer and no expensive drilling machining. I cut paper in a pattern to match the traces, then stick the paper on top of the copper laminate and spray paint it. Then i remove the paper and do the etching. This works for smd.
I laughed out loud when you said the transfer paper was total bullshit. I made hundreds of circuit boards growing up but have been using boards made in China for the last ten years with great results. However I have decided to go back to making my own boards as the craft is just as much fun as the finished results. Thanks for the reminder. I’m building an ESD gun on my channel I would like to see your version. Thanks Regards Chris
Well explained, thanks for that. I would like to add that the etching process becomes easier and also a lot faster, when you add a ground plate in your eagle layout.
It seems like you really enjoy a good elctrical challange. So I was wandering if you ever tried making a project with a home made pcb that had two layers. (What I mean is to make a PCB with a differebt copper trace on both sides). I am very interested in see what you come up with. I have a number of things I would like to try for myself. But the issue is getting everything together.
I have used photo paper for this and it worked well. I used the cheapest Kodak paper and it wound up working the best because it held the toner well, holds more toner without bleeding, wasn't the waterproof stuff, and it peeled much more easily when wet. The more expensive "premium" paper like the epson stuff doesn't work because water doesn't easily wet it and the gloss interfered with the toner transfer. I also used a 1 part muriatic acid and 2 part peroxide solution for the etchant.
You can use transparent thick plastic sheet (OHP sheet) to print board file. So no need to wash PCB after printing. If you use FeCl3 chemical with hot water, etching process will reduce form 10 minutes to 3 to 4 minutes only. :)
You said that you used some glossy paper from a magazine. How did you get a piece of paper with nothing printed on it? Or did you like rip that glossy plastic of the paper itself. That is what I kinda need explained, cos I used to also get some really expensive things, well it worked but if this is cheaper :P and less fuss getting it... :P I SO!! hope you'll see on this this old post
The first time using this, I used photo paper and while I got it to transfer, the paper left a film on the board which when I tried to remove it, it damaged the traces beyond repair. I have yet to try again, this time I'll use regular glossy paper (92 brightness) to see if that works better.
covers etching circuit boards with a mixture of muriatic acid and hydrogen peroxide. This is an alternative to using ferric chloride. These are common chemicals that can be found in most hardware stores along with the super market and drugstores.
Isn't it easier to use a CNC machine? I mean, 3D printers are all around the place, and they're just CNCs with extruders instead of drills. So the tech for moving something in 3 axis must be pretty cheap. Now only thing that matters, is there a proper software for controlling a CNC to make circuit boards.
He did get a small x-carve that he said he was going to use for milling PCBs, he just hasn't made that video yet. Hopefully he will though, as many schools and maker spaces are starting to get them, and it would be useful information for anyone with access to one.
Another cool way to make PCBs is using a laser engraver. The copper get's covered in carbon and then vaporized with the lazer, which gives etching quality PCBs but much faster. Tho i don't know how well does it with thick copper.
that's cool I might not be a digital guru but still enjoyed it. I only worked on analog systems on older tractors and cars but could hone in some skills for other projects🤘
GreatScott!, denkst du, diese Einmal-Gummihandschuhe schützen genau so gut gegen das Eisenchlorid? Oder sollte ich eher Handschuhe kaufen, wie du sie hast?
Hi and thanks for your help I have a problem with finding the right paper for this project . Do you have a brand or model number of paper you have used that works well. I am using the Iron on method with MG Chemicals Ferric Chloride etch
Hey, Scott! What dremel do you use? I'm looking for one that has a stand such as your so that I can drill my PCBs. Thanks in advance! Awesome video! :D
John Galt In his case his "dremel" (which is a company name, not a name for a tool) is a "Proxxon". At all costs don't get the real Dremel drill stand (from the Dremel company). I used that for some time, but it's a piece of mostly plastic crap. Add to that the poor construction of the dremel tool itself (the bearings just sit in plastic so you get massive vibrations). The whole setup has so much play,that it's almost impossible to accurately drill holes in a PCB. It's so bad that I switched to a wood router (which has a 43mm neck) mounted in a drill stand (for drills with a 43mm neck), and still get much better results than with the dremel which is supposedly for "fine" work.
+Ferny Lloyd really , Copper is a chemical element with symbol Cu and atomic number 29. It is a soft, malleable and ductile metal with very high thermal and electrical conductivity. A freshly exposed surface of pure copper has a reddish-orange color. Wikipedia
Ich hoffe du siehst diesen Kommentar noch... Sollte ich ein Fotobeschichtetes PCB nehmen, oder lieber nicht? Und gibt es alternativen zum Zeitschriftenpapier? Bzw. geht es mit Folie?
+Lukas Pajak bei Fotobeschichteten Platinen kannst du Klarsichtfolien verwenden, die können auch mit Tintenpisser bedruckt werden; aber immer 2x ausdrucken und übereinanderlegen und mit der bedruckten Seite Richtung Platine. Vorteil der gezeigten Methode ist, dass man eben keine Fotobeschichteten Platinen braucht :D Alternativ kannst du auch normale Kupferplatinen verwenden und dein Layout einfach mit Edding draufmalen. Bei einfachen Sachen kein Ding wenn man es vorher auf Papier ausprobiert hat. Dann brauchts auch kein Eagle :P
I would like you to make a self balancing robot. It's pretty challenging as i have made it during my graduation ... it took me a month to fine tune that... hope u would b able to take it
I'm using sodium persulfate instead your chemical. What is the difference? Also I'm just putting board in water with sodium persulfate and just wait until only traces remains.
Great video Mr Scott. :-) And to people who pick on your pronunciation of English words, how about they try and pronounce some words from your native language and see how they go.
Can you please do a video about christmas? I dont know, I would like to see some HACKED! christmas lights. imagine reprogramming the music of a crhistmas light
Use hydrochloric acid (aka muriatic acid), dissolve iron into it (steel wool works well) and finally add hydrogen peroxide to get the ferric chloride. There are youtube videos on how to do this.
I tryed this method but somehow I´m not able to remove the access toner with aceton or rubbing alcohol. Has anybody the same issue? How did you solve it? Can anyone help me?
So, who's this Cooper guy he's been talking about????
Webgkil yes Right😂😂 it should sound copper not cooper😂😂😂
Webgkil he is at the Acetoe
Maybe his unseen assistance?
When i was in high school i did some basic electronics and the last project we did was make our own pcb but back then we had to pretty much hand draw all our traces but it was still a lot of fun
Really a great video. I use an iron with a setting of medium instead of high. Iron the board like ironing a shirt. works every time. .
Wait a minute...You said that if there are any intreruptions in the lines after the transfer of the ink to the copper board I can use a Sharpie to cover them up.So , does this mean that I can directly draw on the copper surface with a Sharpie (no printer) and then continue the process?
You can but unless the circuit is very simple it's not a good idea. btw oil based paint might work better than a Sharpie.
Yes, you can draw Dickbutt in copper :P
You can, but of course you are limited by the steadiness and precision of your hands.
Конденсатор also can use nail paint, the girls be using!
you can draw the circuit on but you will have to be very precise
The video is really great but while removing the paper I recommend not to remove it in soapy water. once I had done the same my board was ruined after etching. use normal water. some soaps have chemicals which might disturb the process of etching. this is my personal experience.
keep up the good work scott
I don't have printer and no expensive drilling machining.
I cut paper in a pattern to match the traces, then stick the paper on top of the copper laminate and spray paint it. Then i remove the paper and do the etching.
This works for smd.
I laughed out loud when you said the transfer paper was total bullshit. I made hundreds of circuit boards growing up but have been using boards made in China for the last ten years with great results. However I have decided to go back to making my own boards as the craft is just as much fun as the finished results. Thanks for the reminder. I’m building an ESD gun on my channel I would like to see your version. Thanks Regards Chris
Any suggestions for solder mask?
the autorouter hurts my feelings :(
Gotta love the sense of humour in this video
Well explained, thanks for that. I would like to add that the etching process becomes easier and also a lot faster, when you add a ground plate in your eagle layout.
You can design PCBs using an app called PCB droid. Pretty easy to use and supports PDF formats.
That feeling when there is no laser printer near you. :/
Ian Kyle Maturan That feeling when you don't have acetone and PCB etching solution and drill and Dremel near you... :/
Chandan Smart Games that feeling when you have literally no money for this :/
DarkBabylon haha
@Ian Kyle You can use a marker.
Could you do a double-sided etching tutorial? Love your videos. Really informative.
Instead of drill, We can buy a small screwdriver like thing in market that has spring and it rotates buy stroking
If you leave a tiny film of acetone (I use nail polish remover) on the board before transferring, you will get a better result.
It seems like you really enjoy a good elctrical challange.
So I was wandering if you ever tried making a project with a home made pcb that had two layers. (What I mean is to make a PCB with a differebt copper trace on both sides).
I am very interested in see what you come up with. I have a number of things I would like to try for myself. But the issue is getting everything together.
Fantastic Video & Project. Keep up the great work. Nick.
loved both videos. exactly what I was looking for.
This was awesome. I like how the board turned out. This is the ultimate diy. I'm itching to try it but don't have a laser printer lol.
Very nice video, easy to understand and follow. The pathway calculator was new, I like it. Thanks
Can you please make a video how to make DC motor
The potentiometer is mounted back way 😀
Meine Gehörgange verkrampfen jedesmal bei "cooper" Sprichst du das absichtlich falsch? ^^
I have used photo paper for this and it worked well. I used the cheapest Kodak paper and it wound up working the best because it held the toner well, holds more toner without bleeding, wasn't the waterproof stuff, and it peeled much more easily when wet. The more expensive "premium" paper like the epson stuff doesn't work because water doesn't easily wet it and the gloss interfered with the toner transfer.
I also used a 1 part muriatic acid and 2 part peroxide solution for the etchant.
If you do a double sided board, make sure to reverse the top layer!
At 2:38-2:51 what is that device called? Not the Dremel but what the Dremel is attached to.
You can use transparent thick plastic sheet (OHP sheet) to print board file. So no need to wash PCB after printing. If you use FeCl3 chemical with hot water, etching process will reduce form 10 minutes to 3 to 4 minutes only. :)
You said that you used some glossy paper from a magazine.
How did you get a piece of paper with nothing printed on it? Or did you like rip that glossy plastic of the paper itself.
That is what I kinda need explained, cos I used to also get some really expensive things, well it worked but if this is cheaper :P and less fuss getting it... :P
I SO!! hope you'll see on this this old post
+Oerjan Snell There was stuff printed on the glossy paper. But only your design will transfer with the heat.
OK, I will try that later today if I just find some glossy paper :P
thanks :D
+Oerjan Snell you can try watching this tutorial it's from the ben heck show he tries different home brew methods including this one
thanks for sharing ur knowledge
Same problem I also faced with glossy paper,,
The first time using this, I used photo paper and while I got it to transfer, the paper left a film on the board which when I tried to remove it, it damaged the traces beyond repair. I have yet to try again, this time I'll use regular glossy paper (92 brightness) to see if that works better.
covers etching circuit boards with a mixture of muriatic acid and hydrogen peroxide. This is an alternative to using ferric chloride. These are common chemicals that can be found in most hardware stores along with the super market and drugstores.
50 % water 50 % Muriatic 100ml
Hydrogen perxide 25ml
First Time 25ml Hydrogen
perxide a gain
Real Time
great video it helped me cuz i had some trouble with this technique i didn't know how to use it properly
Isn't it easier to use a CNC machine? I mean, 3D printers are all around the place, and they're just CNCs with extruders instead of drills. So the tech for moving something in 3 axis must be pretty cheap. Now only thing that matters, is there a proper software for controlling a CNC to make circuit boards.
+G_glop a Laser Printer is a CNC machine as well :p
Btw not everyone has a CNC Router or 3D Printer....
He did get a small x-carve that he said he was going to use for milling PCBs, he just hasn't made that video yet. Hopefully he will though, as many schools and maker spaces are starting to get them, and it would be useful information for anyone with access to one.
Another cool way to make PCBs is using a laser engraver. The copper get's covered in carbon and then vaporized with the lazer, which gives etching quality PCBs but much faster.
Tho i don't know how well does it with thick copper.
Well done! Thanks Very Much! Oh, by the way I'm from Myanmar I love your videos so much! I also want to know where to by the drill press like yours?
Nyein Chan Zaw Thanks a lot. It is basically just a dremel with a drill stand. Here is where I got mine: amzn.to/1r6bZcy amzn.to/1r6c6ot
GreatScott! Thanks Buddy :D
that's cool
I might not be a digital guru but still enjoyed it.
I only worked on analog systems on older tractors and cars but could hone in some skills for other projects🤘
GreatScott!, denkst du, diese Einmal-Gummihandschuhe schützen genau so gut gegen das Eisenchlorid? Oder sollte ich eher Handschuhe kaufen, wie du sie hast?
any plans to make a video on a double sided board? id really love to see that
Great video! Subscribed.
dude you're awesome. great job..
nunca pensé que fuera posible hacer esto
felicitaciones
transfer the toner on the paper(any kind of paper?) to the pcb using iron?
It's possible to create some double side boards with it, right?
do you just rince the pcb full of ferric chloride in the sink? I bet this is can damage the pipes over time. what is the recommanded way to do it?
Hi and thanks for your help
I have a problem with finding the right paper for this project . Do you have a brand or model number of paper you have used that works well. I am using the Iron on method with MG Chemicals Ferric Chloride etch
It was very helpful, thank you very much!
can anybody tell how to prepare ferric chloride solution from the powder?? I mean what is the ratio of fecl3 and water??
Hey, Scott! What dremel do you use? I'm looking for one that has a stand such as your so that I can drill my PCBs.
Thanks in advance! Awesome video! :D
John Galt
In his case his "dremel" (which is a company name, not a name for a tool) is a "Proxxon". At all costs don't get the real Dremel drill stand (from the Dremel company). I used that for some time, but it's a piece of mostly plastic crap. Add to that the poor construction of the dremel tool itself (the bearings just sit in plastic so you get massive vibrations). The whole setup has so much play,that it's almost impossible to accurately drill holes in a PCB. It's so bad that I switched to a wood router (which has a 43mm neck) mounted in a drill stand (for drills with a 43mm neck), and still get much better results than with the dremel which is supposedly for "fine" work.
I never knew you could make a pcb like this, I have only ever used used an etching tank.
Great way to make own PCBs.
Is it right that The IronIII Chlorid don't dam ages you?
Somebody has written this on Amazon?
That drill press is so cute...I wish I had one...
Instead of hand drill, We can buy a small screwdriver like thing in market that has spring and it rotates buy stroking
Nice ...i like your pcb board...
What kind of saw did you use? :)
what is cooper? copper?
+Ferny Lloyd really , Copper is a chemical element with symbol Cu and atomic number 29. It is a soft, malleable and ductile metal with very high thermal and electrical conductivity. A freshly exposed surface of pure copper has a reddish-orange color. Wikipedia
+Ss Ssa cool thanks
It's something like
"Get To The Chopper!!!"
/watch?v=-9-Te-DPbSE
yes
Ich hoffe du siehst diesen Kommentar noch... Sollte ich ein Fotobeschichtetes PCB nehmen, oder lieber nicht? Und gibt es alternativen zum Zeitschriftenpapier? Bzw. geht es mit Folie?
+Lukas Pajak bei Fotobeschichteten Platinen kannst du Klarsichtfolien verwenden, die können auch mit Tintenpisser bedruckt werden; aber immer 2x ausdrucken und übereinanderlegen und mit der bedruckten Seite Richtung Platine. Vorteil der gezeigten Methode ist, dass man eben keine Fotobeschichteten Platinen braucht :D
Alternativ kannst du auch normale Kupferplatinen verwenden und dein Layout einfach mit Edding draufmalen. Bei einfachen Sachen kein Ding wenn man es vorher auf Papier ausprobiert hat. Dann brauchts auch kein Eagle :P
How do you dispose of the toxic waste? And it would be good to advise wearing protective goggles when dealing with corrosive liquids.
Meta Dolor At a recycling depot. Do not use your drain.
That looks kind of delicious...
very informative video thanks.
you became the very thing you swore to destroy
It seems so cool
i have 3 questions please answer it
which dremel do y use ?
stand ? for drilling ?
and drill?
george anastasiadis the drillpress looks like it is a proxxon (maybe the "dremel" in it too)
Please suggest exact FR4 Material for our pcb suitable for panel type board easy to breake after assembly
Is there anyway to make the PCB without using any chemicals ?
*****
Since everything is a chemical, no. But you can use a CNC router if you don't want to handle corrosive liquids.
I would like you to make a self balancing robot. It's pretty challenging as i have made it during my graduation ... it took me a month to fine tune that... hope u would b able to take it
How does a pure copper pcb no short circut with no insulator between power and ground
I just destroyed my board. Iron temperature was too high and the copper layer has deformed
You forgot to mention that the design should be mirrored during printing. Because when u press it against the pcb for ironing It gets mirrored again.
sir glossy paper is not attaching to pcb???????
I'm using sodium persulfate instead your chemical. What is the difference? Also I'm just putting board in water with sodium persulfate and just wait until only traces remains.
does t works with a simple printer or it's just for laser printer ?
+Florian Vajeu You need to use a laser printer
ink won't transfer to the board, only toner will.
can i know how you shouldered components on pcb
But how can I get those liquids?
Can i use a photocopy machine instead of a laser printer?
esa edi yes!
nice video.
eagle software is good. but I love EASY EDA
Don't care™
I just etch my boards manuly with a small, shatpent, flathead screwdriver. its a pain in the butt, but its cheap, and works quite well.
Instead of hand drill, We can get a small screwdriver like thing in market that has spring and it rotates buy stroking.
I thought u need orange light to transfer traces from paper to pcb
I am confused
Thank you !
Ohh but in my case Simple A size paper works Great instead Glossy , how ????
Great video Mr Scott. :-) And to people who pick on your pronunciation of English words, how about they try and pronounce some words from your native language and see how they go.
And if i dont have iron chloride
Can i replace him with something else?
Elad Elmakias www.instructables.com/id/Stop-using-Ferric-Chloride-etchant!--A-better-etc/2/?lang=eng
GreatScott! thanks,
you are the best!
Can I use Canon Pixma G2012 printer
Can you make a pwm to control my 220v fan
brilliant idea :)
Where is part three? I can't find it.
There is no part 3.
Nice & thanks
How does one get ferric-chloride?
DarkBabylon I just ordered some off of eBay! So .. eBay ! :)
Sir pls name this software
Can you please do a video about christmas? I dont know, I would like to see some HACKED! christmas lights. imagine reprogramming the music of a crhistmas light
Software name
JLC-pcb?
Kannst du mal den Kauf Link von deinem PSU geben? :D
Der Bausatz wird leider nicht mehr hergestellt. Aber hier ist das Nachfolgemodell: www.elv.de/dual-power-supply-dps-5315-komplettbausatz.html
GreatScott!
Vielen Dank :)
um... there's no ferric chloride where I live...
Use hydrochloric acid (aka muriatic acid), dissolve iron into it (steel wool works well) and finally add hydrogen peroxide to get the ferric chloride. There are youtube videos on how to do this.
Ahh yes, thats how i errased my fingerprints
I tryed this method but somehow I´m not able to remove the access toner with aceton or rubbing alcohol. Has anybody the same issue? How did you solve it? Can anyone help me?
my soldering is not sticking on place buy spread around please help me😊😊
I tried that but nothing
Ian Kyle Maturan ok
Das heißt copper und nicht cooper!
Plx show how to make custom arduino shield
sir i need Joule Thief print
I made a joule thief video. Watch it