But Drinker, you forget: R. Johson was always a master of the murder/mystery-genre: He murdered StarWars and he keeps being mysteriously hired for other movies.
I actually liked the movie because it is exactly what you described, a highlight of the ideocracy of Hollywood and the elites. Its almost satire how the whole murder mystery draws us into these characters and sets Miles up as an eccentric genius with his crew of influencers. And it turns out the whole mystery is solved when we get past that façade and realize they're all just idiots.
It's certainly not a highlight of "Hollywood and the elites". Hollywood and elites are overwhelmingly woke left and the "bad" characters are caricatures of the types the woke left currently hates. The billionaire guy is meant to be an Elon Musk figure. Kate Hudson's character is portrayed as decidedly unwoke. Bautista's character is a "men's right activist" like Andrew Tate. Even the crime is an evil rich white male killing a noble black woman for trying to do the right thing. Everything this godawful director makes is thinly disguised woke propaganda.
........ But the movie instantly shows you Miles is an idiot? I am an idiot, and I guessed he was the killer when "Helen" stepped off the boat. Shit was obvious.
@@rewalos5077 he is talking about the Critical Drinker take on the movie, he is not speaking the truth, is just speaking about the movie without thinking
@@LeonardoGPN Yes, the Critical Drinker is so butthurt about The Last Jedi, the pathetic alcoholic manlet still hasn't gotten over hating Rian Johnson HALF A DECADE LATER. lmao It's clouded his judgment... heck, it's eroded his judgment into a green gooey slush. Ew.
@@LeonardoGPNit’s not so much not speaking the truth; it’s deliberately lying. Or maybe the irony is that he’s the stupid person he brings up in the first seconds of the video.
that line is a poorly written desperate attempt to seem clever and profound that you can find in the notebook of a 3rd grader. another great analogy for the movie. i love all the re-res who came here expecting to see another shill review to validate their opinions only to get demolished. another drinker classic
The trick to writing a murder mystery is to slowly drip-feed information to the audience which recontextualizes earlier scenes so that the audience sees them in a different way that makes them realize their assumptions were wrong, not to retroactively change what happened and blatantly lie to the audience so you can smugly say "bet you didn't see that coming". It's like if someone walked up to you and said, "Hi, my name is Bob", to which you replied, "Hi Bob, nice to meet you", and then they said, "Ha! My name's not Bob! It's Carl! Don't you feel like a fool now?! I'm so clever!"
if you were so smart you would have called the police on sasquatch when he tried to rape you,but of course you like critisizing roundheads with mental disabilities
@@83croissant True, it was given but it was just so random that Miles gave Benoit the two thing which would have the most impact, the crystal and the hot sauce. It is almost like in games they highlght the ladder to climb. It is also weird that Benoit was carrying it around. Didnt he change clothes in the middle?
@@83croissant yes but why would anyone carry a big bottle of hot sauce on their person all day? Like who does that? That’s just stupid movie logic because the answer is: no one. No one carries big bottles of hot sauce in their pockets all day.
@@wpeniche it wasn’t all day. It was maybe a few hours before Duke died and Helen gets shot. There was no opportunity for him to go to his room and put it away
It wouldn't have mattered. A scrawl on a napkin with no independent way to show it was contemporaneous with the original idea was not going to be sufficient evidence get an appeal or another trial. The print of the name of the bar at the bottom of it was worthless evidentially.
The scene where he approaches her with a lighter, and she just stays still and allows him to burn the napkin made me want to throw the TV out the window
I gotta wonder if her character was still drunk in that scene. But I do think it’s funny that Miles couldn’t even have that idea, still had to take it from someone else
People seem to be mad about the whole twin thing, because it doesn’t allow you to figure out who the killer is before that reveal. Some people I’ve seen have said that the viewer should be rewarded by keeping a close eye out for clues, while the twins twist couldn’t be sussed out. But the thing is, from the very scene we see a murder happen, we can see it’s miles. He literally makes the killer drink hands it to Duke, lies about it where it shows a doctored scene of what he’s describing, then has multiple scenes where you can see Dukes phone in his pocket. We know it isn’t his because it’s been established that he uses fax.
Don't forget the part where he takes Duke's gun and hides it under his shirt and then puts it on the table before making the drink. You can solve the murder literally in the same scene it happens if you pay attention.
Also, while it's unlikely that you'll pick up on the exact details of what's happening, the movie deliberately shows you "Andy"'s imperfect nails and hair in her dock introduction, which many people did take as an indication that something was off. Why would a certified "rich bitch" have these things be anything less than perfect?
@@TRGOTSVODSI did wonder why she made that comment about rich people at the start in fairness but Christ Sherlock Holmes couldn't figure out the twins twist.
That just buys into them being self centered and selfish to even remember she has a twin sister. They don’t care to remember. They don’t care ab anyone but themselves??
You'd think that the tech billionaire who tried to discredit her in court would have found that out. A basic investigation into her would find that out.
- Glass Onion's Andi burns down the Mona Lisa out of sheer pettiness and sees it as a victory. - Rian Johnson burns down Star Wars out of sheer pettiness and sees it as a victory. It's like poetry, it rhymes.
2:36 U can always argue that people would think a certain way but when the PLOT TELLS YOU that the guy is stupid u cant expect him to make the best decision. Thats character assassination.
That was more or less what Rian Johnson was going for. There were obvious hints: I saw the Isocasahedron at the heart of the glass onion in first 20 minutes of the film. I paused the movie and stared at it. Why do the lines leave an empty hexagon in the center? Divining the mystery of the glass Onion, I was overcome with emotion. It gave the appearance of deep meaning, but it was painfully stupid. So stupid that I might have cried. Failing to understand that it was a metaphor for the entire film, I watched it to the end. I was so close and yet so far at the same time.
If you want a good twist, have Andy's twin sister actually be Andy, pretending to be Andy's sister pretending to be Andy, because he actually screwed up and killed the twin sister.
Most people love seeing a send up of the vain and pompous elite. This movie is just poor...The inflammatory racial politics--isn't that (laughably) called "stochastic terrorism" by hysterics now?--which fairly 100% informed the movie's casting, is icing on the mudcake.
As a teenager (and male) I was a huge fan of Buffy the Vampire Slayer (the Joss Whedon TV series)- and not just because she was hot, I also empathized with and easily saw things from her point of view. Along with numerous other female heroins and leads from various TV shows and movies. Obviously I didn't have the perspective of a teenage girl, but I don't need to share every single aspect of a character in order to find them relatable. The idea that men or boys "can't relate to a female lead" is absurd and insulting and sexist.
I've even seen some well-written Rom-coms with good female leads I could identify with. If you write a good character who's not an author self-insert or a complete blank slate, your audience will find commonalities with them, regardless of genders. But this is the "equity" mindset-people should be forced to like your shitty movie starring a self-centered bitch just to make things even!
@@Sticklemako Were they just talking about action leads in that clip or just women leads in general? Because if it’s the first one, I mean most of those women are made masculine and their identities as women are diminished to make male audiences identify with them more. Take kill bill. The bride only had her child to anchor her to womanhood. Most of these female characters that men identify with are literally written by men.
The red hot sauce was in his pocket from before, when he mistook it as a drink and he was told to take a few bottles. The scene were we see Blanc behind Duke is a couple seconds later than the scene with Blanc and Helen behind Duke. Helen sneaks away and steps on a twig, Duke looks around, Blanc hides. The scene with only Blanc starts from Dukes perspective with the twig breaking, and then Blanc behind him (Helen already sneaked away at this point). What was an actual case of falsety, was the glass incident. We first see Miles giving the glass to duke, then later, when he lies about it, it is framed as a flashback, but it isn't, it is his lie and the "flashback" shows Duke grabbing the wrong glass instead of Miles handing it to him.
Dont bother, the channel is intentionally lying and the low IQ gullible fans of this lying channel won't bother to even check what is real before circlejerking about the video Also, the flashback thing., Johnson wants to put the viewers in the shoes of the characters, its a proven fact that eye witness testimony (and memories) can change based on suggestions by others
@@mayanksharma3651 yeah but it was established that Miles just has a bunch of random products that celebrities gave him. Like the hard Kombucha or Serena Williams recordings. I it might be coincidental but I don’t think it’s implausible and that’s the big thing.
The glass thing is exactly the part that got me interested. I saw what happened the first time, but then the "flashback" had me questioning what I actually saw. I even said to my wife, "What? That's not what happened!"
He was so blinded by his hatred towards Rian Johnson (for wokeness), he left his brain outside the door when he entered the recording room. Which led to him cluelessly flaunting his mental ret*rdation and opening the review by insulting literally everyone who's got a bigger brain and sounder moral compass than himself.
“No identical twins without sufficient preparation” is literally one of the Rules of FairPlay Whodunnits that were written almost 100 years ago, but sure. In an age of social media and people blabbing their secrets all over the web, we can believe no one knew this famous, wealthy woman had an identical twin.
The Prestige handled this about as cleverly as you can. Over and over it tells you it's a double but you don't believe it because HJ doesn't believe it and you want it to be more complex. But all the proof is cleverly placed in front of you. Halfway through GO the movie is like "Oh by the way there are twins".
I see Elon musk and watch videos discussing his successes and. Introversion. Because if this comment I searched whether he had siblings and found out he had 2 ( a sister and brother). Never knew that before just now Completely reasonable to not know some famous person has siblings. Especially when they aren’t really in each other’s lives at all which is the case in GO.
It's not a flashback in the traditional sense, it's a second act that mirrors the first, shows all the SAME clues but with further context, and I think it was brilliantly executed.
I’ve liked both movies so far. I thought the idea of everything being remarkably stupid and a letdown, akin to meeting one of these popularly worshipped “geniuses”, was actually very funny. Craig’s character’s disgust at discovering how uninventive the crime actually turned out to be was hilarious 😂
True, the ending was hilarious. I liked the movie with his big plot holes and some stupid instances. It is a fun movie too watch but by far no masterpeace
He's a little lonely, making him the only human in the film that needs a little more attention. He sought it indirectly twice and directly once. He'll be fine.
That whole scene where Ed Norton is discussing fracture theory, about how people hate you for trying something different, I was thinking 'This is Rian justifying what he did to the Last Jedi' Ironically Blanc himself said it was stupid in the end, which leads me to realise that the self-awareness is seriously lacking in this one
The whole movie is set up to mock Ed Norton's ideas and portray him as an idiot. But at the end, when Blanc "disrupts" the legal system he's a part of by letting Janelle Monae destroy Norton's house, he essentially adapts Norton's policies. That's not "irony" or "poetic justice," that's just the movie going back on its entire message for a moment of smug self-satisfaction. What an idiot.
you do realize norton’s character is the bad guy right? his notion of just pissing everyone else off is meant to be hatable. he’s not justifying anything.
Nah. It's supposed to be mocking Elon Musk. Johnson just lacks the self-awareness to realize that he's guilty of the same sort of "victim of success" over confidence and excuse making.
This isn’t actually lacking in self awareness. This could just as much be a tacit admission that he was a smart arse when it came to the last Jedi. The reason knives out was successful was because he subverted expectations without betraying the audience. With regards to the ending, you don’t break something for the sake of breaking something, you reveal something to be broken. By revealing Klear to be dangerous, she was able to avenge her sister, and in turn get justice for her sister. You’re allowed think yourself too smart to enjoy these movies but you’re missing out on some fun by not letting yourself get swept up along with it.
@@chadmwilliams89 I don't think it is specifically mocking Musk. The movie was mostly shot when Musk was still the liberals darling. Nortons character also looks like a Steve Jobs-Imitation in the scene where the black lady refuses to go anlong with his hydro plans. The character strikes me as someone who wants to be Jobs or Musk, but simply isn't. The movie depicts him as someone who gets rich implementing other peoples ideas. Thats called managing and done right its nothing to be laughed about - but its not a what he wants to be seen.
One thing I did appreciate about Glass Onion is that it wasn't just a string of references to Knives Out, as a lot of sequels to sleeper hits seem to be.
Knives Out did well and it was shot well, but beyond that it did nothing for me. It felt like an Agatha Christie mystery written by someone who didn't understand the mystery part. I literally guessed the villain the moment I first heard them mentioned and the same was true in Glass Onion. I kept expecting some great reveal about Marta's crazy Go skills meaning she had been playing 4D chess the whole time with everyone including Blanc, like she was a super villain genius all along - instead the Go reference was completely pointless and signified nothing important. Agatha Christie mysteries can leave you feeling hollow from the horror of it all at the end. All Knives Out and Glass Onion made me feel was hollow from how obvious and shallow it all was. Rian is just playing the MCU style race to the bottom game of script writing quality.
@@mnomadvfxthe whole point of Marta’s go skills was to expose the fact that Ransom knew that she would inherit everything, as Harlan talked about her in his conversation with Ransom about the will.
@@mnomadvfx i will say her go skills were part of that, when ransom says " huh, i always thought i was the only one who could beat him at go" was ransom saying he thought he was the only one who could out smart Harlan who was a crime novelist. so in a way it is what you were expecting.
@@mnomadvfx Marta's Go skills were very significant in both symbolism and foreshadowing in the movie. Unlike international chess which I assume would be more familiar to you, the win condition of Go depends on the final score count. However, these score counts consist of both the present pieces as well as the vacant points created by the formation. In other words, taking your opponent's pieces will not simply net you a win. In the movie, it is explained that Marta's Go strategy focused more on creating a beautiful pattern rather than winning. This is actually an entirely valid strategy (albeit drastically simplified). Setting up a formation, or a so-called beautiful pattern, may be more effective in winning a game of Go rather than focusing on taking your opopnent's pieces. Similarly, it is a very obvious metaphor for Marta succeeding by simply being a person of good character (as opposed to Ransom and Marlan's tendency to "outsmart" using their wits). Now, in my opinion, I do find the notion that a novice building a beautiful pattern could defeat an experienced player rather unrealistic. (It would be similiarly ridiculous to suggest that chess skills are somhow direct indicators of intelligence rather than dedication and accumulated knowledge with a tinge of talent. i.e. person good at chess must be smart and vice versa. But hey, that's Hollywood for ya) But for the themes the movie wishes to convey, the game of Go is beyond sufficient. I don't find Knives Out to be a particularly good mystery film. And it's not trying to be that. In my opinion, the series uses the mystery genre and format more so as a vehicle to deliver its social critique (which leaves a lot more to be desired, but then again what more could you expect from a two hour film whose purpose is to entertain than to educate) Regardless of personal opinion (which is more of a slightly intrigued meh), I do think that the scripts have a surprising amount of thought and polish. I think that the level of quality is recognizable even if the audience do not resonate with the writers' ideology (and this I do agree to be obvious and shallow) Your subjective viewing experience is what it is and is entirely valid. However, your complaint regarding the Go metaphor is somewhat... shallow.
IKR, for example the scene where TCD claims that Helen has been added in when she should've been visible before - it's perfectly clear what happens if you watch the scene carefully and it makes total sense.
@@culturalliberator9425 nothing "changes" you are just shown more of the scene, the camera zooms out and we see the flashback roll for an extra few seconds. The events are still identical, you can even line up both scenes and watch the flashbacks at the same time and they line up perfectly, even the sound is the same. I genuinely think you might be too stupid to observe objective reality.
The movie literally lies about scenes and what happened earlier. This is a whodunnit without an iota of being able to figure anything out, apart from of course the eccentric billionaire being the killer as if any other outcome could be possible
@@joshblack9182But then why not use a different angle? They literally use THE EXACT SAME SHOT with Helen edited in. When we KNOW that’s not what happened
I have to disagree with most of your analysis of this movie. For example, there are ways to explain Mile's behaviour (with regards to letting Blanc and "Andie" on the island) that fit with his character. What I will focus on in this comment is how you seemed to have missed something when comparing the two times we see Duke watch his girlfriend with Miles. The first time we are in close up on Duke until we hear a *snap* in the background and Duke turns around; when Duke looks back we are in a wider shot and see Blanc peer out from behind a bush. The second time we see this scene we are in a wide shot to begin with and we see both Blanc and Andie peer out, then Andy goes to move forward and steps on something, creating a *snap* sound, after which both characters hide as Duke turns around. So, there was no lie, we just saw things from a different perspective the second time.
don't expect any intelligence from a loser incel still whining about garbage wars years after the movie came out xD last jedi even was one of the better movies of that terrible franchise
…yeah, but…no I hear what you’re saying here, and it would make sense… But look at the first angle again please. And Yeah, they’re both practically leaning out at the same time. Snap or no snap (you’re right about the snap, well said) But, sorry, it’s blatant manipulation cause, well, already said it. She would have totally been visible in the first angle. Not bad though, given if the first angle was panned inward more. But it wasn’t, and Andy should have been completely visible (Not “should” but, I think you’re believing the first shot didn’t show as much as it did. It did m8, the f-ing tree she’s behind it right there…. I mean dude it’s *right* *there*) Doesn’t mean you don’t have others you have arguments against that make sense, not against you…but that shot & 2nd shot was such blatant manipulation…which is not what helps a good thriller/mystery at all. Compare this to, say, The Prestige…where the use of a twin is actually believable, given the era & the professions of the main characters. And the fact that there’s no forced manipulation; you pay attention enough, you’ll see the mystery, the reveal, cause Nolan respects the intelligence of the audience. Compare it to Memento (totally didn’t mean to use 2 Nolan movies). Different perspectives work, because we’re relying on the narration/perspective of an unreliable narrator. Changes in face/environment make sense due to his handicap, and no blatant manipulation of the camera is really used. This isn’t to say that there aren’t other things to not agree with here, I hear you on that (so really, a bombing of keyboard warrior attacks b/c I simply disagree w/one thing, and articulated why…would be appreciated. You know what I mean lol Well, hopefully. Anyway, 👍✌️
@@RagnaRantz I don''t think you're understanding how the scene is playing out. Helen isn't visible because the shot we are shown with just Blanc IS AFTER she moved places and broke the twig. The peeking scenes are not at the same time, they are two different peeks that happen seconds apart. The timeline is Blanc and Helen peak (we don't see this part until later), Helen moves and breaks a twig, Duke looks behind him and sees nothing, then Blanc by himself peaks AGAIN and Helen is not in that spot anymore because she moved. The first time we see the scene it starts with the second peek, then later on they reveal more of the scene that happened earlier.
@@iEffloresce umm Dude? I’m understanding how the scene is playing out. Really. It’s not complicated. I am simply saying that, with that first shot? The tree that she is clearly behind at the SAME time? She should be visible. I get it (please m8, not difficult) It’s the perspective of Blanc. But the angle…dude the angle was flat out bad. If you show the background, the actual tree she was right behind, even if we’re in “Blanc’s perspective”… Blanc’s perspective then loses to the perspective to the audience being able to see what’s behind him. Period. His perspective loses credibility if you’re going to have an angle that would have shown her. But I hear you. To keep it in Blanc’s perspective & to have that perspective not lose credibility (cause it did)…all the director had to do was pan IN and NOT show where she clearly was. That’s it. Done. Blanc’s perspective stays intact and does not lose out to the obvious perspective of the audience. That’s blatant manipulation…hands down and no way around it. Imagine it were a book. Blanc’s head. He wouldn’t have described the scenery behind him. The fact there is a second tree (or he would of, right before peaking out). It would narrate him subtlety peaking out, being careful. The narrate the sound of the snap. It would NOT have narrated “at the exact time I peaked out, so did”…you see what I mean? I’m not disagreeing about the perspective. I’m saying that, it’s a movie, and Blanc’s perspective loses to the perspective of the audience the moment we can see behind him. And when it shows the same shot, but OH NOW she’s there too…that’s manipulative. Sorry m8, no way around that. I get what you’re saying, and it holds a little weight. But not much when we see the exact same tree, twice…one where she’s not peaking just like him, one where she is. It’s fine to disagree…but at this point, to not see my point; that’s almost flat denial Anyway…appreciate the respect. And I mean that, considering the absolute incredible salt and anger with anyone that doesn’t agree “this was a great movie”. Ehh. Anyway…to say “I’m not understanding”-no mate, stop misunderstanding me is all. See? They shouldn’t have shown that tree, they shouldn’t have shown that angle. Wanna keep it in Blanc’s perspective and not have that lose out to the intelligence of the audience? Simple, pan in and DONT show the tree behind him. See? And if not, just gotta agree to disagree. Only reason I say “stop saying I don’t understand”- cause that’s becoming “turning a blind eye”…and you don’t mean it ugly, I know that, but it’s an insult to my intelligence. Reiterating; it’s not that complicated, your point- Take care. And again, I do appreciate the respect. And, back at you. No insults toward you, at all. I’m sure you probably see my point. If we disagree still? Oh well, it’s ok.✌️
@@RagnaRantz hey, yeah, I looked back and you're right, the shot was wide enough that we should have seen Blanc and Helen/Andi lean out the first time around. I would say that is a framing or editing mistake, though and not blatant manipulation. I mean, if they had actually done just a close up on Duke so that you couldn't see the trees (like I thought they did), then it all works. It's not like they showed Blanc peeking out pre-snap the first time and then Helen and Blanc peeking out pre-snap the second time. That would have been blatant manipulation. The fact that the snap sound is there makes it clear that it was a marker for when the audience was supposed to see certain things. So, yeah, they screwed up (no movie is perfect), but the intent was merely to hide the fact that Helen was also there until the second pass. It's still a good movie that holds up way, way better than Drinker implies it does.
They knew about her sister so whoever among them killed andi would act weird in the beginning and would settle down once they realise she might be the sister or andi survived but in the end they didn't know andi was dead so they wouldn't think about her sister. Only miles acted a lil weird upon seeing her but settled down quickly, the movie doesn't tell if he concluded that andi survived somehow or it's his sister.
They did know. What are you talking about? They didn't know Andi was dead. That was like, a huge aspect to the movie. It's why Dave Baptista's character was killed--because he found out Andi was dead and he knew he did it!
@@kirikakirikakirika well, if you kill someone and you know about the sister, it is a very obvious trap if a look-alike turns up at the party - so they had to rely on the assumption that the killer has no idea about the twin sister, or else it is pretty obvious what is happening and the killer will poke the suspect-fake Andy with questions to test if she is the real one
All his nitpicks were countered perfectly in this video. This vid is what you get if you don't pay enough attention to the movie you're watching 🤷♂️ ruclips.net/video/B-5uSY1_b80/видео.html
"I expected complexity. I expected intelligence. I expected a puzzle, a game. But that's not what any of this is. It hides not behind complexity, but behind mind-numbing obvious clarity. Truth is, it doesn't hide at all" - perfect summary of the movie 😆
The biggest irony is that there is a perfect metaphor for the movie within the movie itself. The puzzle box, a pretty object full of simple and meaningless puzzles meant to make the creator look smart, but actually it just represents the creators desperate desire to appear smart, and he payed someone else to make it for him anyway. Rian Johnson thinks he's Benoit Blanc, but he's actually Miles. The worst thing about both movies is how he mercilessly criticizes upper class culture while literally being a man who exclusively exists in upper class culture. It's like that meme of Steve Buscemi as a highschooler, except it's Rian Johnson going "How do you do fellow poor people? I hate the rich too, see how hip I am by criticizing them?" and all his criticisms are as vapid and one dimensional as possible because he has zero self awareness, and any real 3 dimensional criticism would inevitably lead him to realizing how he's no different than his most vapid characters.
"The biggest irony is that there is a perfect metaphor for the movie within the movie itself. The puzzle box... Rian Johnson thinks he's Benoit Blanc, but he's actually Miles. " ... This is called psychological projection, an extremely common occurrence with highly flawed individuals. Subconsciously, deep down inside, Johnson knows he's a hack. He knows he is Miles. He is attempting to project those flaws onto someone else (a character, in this case) as a self defense mechanism to avoid having to acknowledge those traits within himself.
I wouldn't be surprised if Rian Johnson was sitting around listening to Beatles songs, listened to "Glass Onion" and thought "holy shit, that's the next Knives Out, layer a lot of clues together that end up not meaning anything because the killer is really just dumb, he just seems smart, like Elon Musk!"
The entire movie itself is just one big glass onion, seemingly complex at first glance but increasingly mundane and obvious the longer and closer you look. I have to admit IF RJ had actually done this on purpose it would be an impressive subversion, unfortunately his recent works show he lacks the intelligence to have done this on purpose just making the entire thing an epic unintentional self-troll. He just lacks the self-awareness to even notice it happening right in front of him...
I actually enjoyed the first Knives Out, this one I think had a lot of wasted potential. Have you ever spoken to someone who you know is driving the conversation a particular direction in disregard to the natural flow of conversation? That's what the plot felt like.
I agree. Frankly I think the drinker's review here is just not on point. First of all, the movie is not just a murder mystery but a comedy, and secondly, Knives Out is much, much better than this, and I'm disappointed he lumped them both together
@@slade52 Doesn't change that she was written as the founder and smartest of the group does it? And i guess the point was that smart people can make mistakes? And when youre murdered that isnt getting yourself killed is it? its being murdered...Think a little
@@moonriver7439 maybe YOU thought the character was dumb, fine. But can't deny that according to the movie she was the "smart" one. Regardless to what anybody thinks. It's like you're saying "rick Sanchez is dumb!" Despite the story portraying him as a genius. Makes no sense
@@jasonkanyike3245 a smart person would make an unrealistically dumb person the cofounder of their company? Okay. You’re one of those people that takes a movie at face value without questioning it. Which is a big reason why movies are so bad now. Also, Rick and Morty sucks.
I saw this movie as a caricature and a silly comedy and it worked for me. Each character is a caricature of many vapid, corrupt or insane celebrities and the plot is as ridiculous as each characters. I thought it was silly on purpose and I enjoyed it. I don't think they were trying to make a clever serious movie...but then again I can be totally wrong.
I agree with you, I think this wanted to be a fun movie. It made fun of the pandemic, how celebrities acted about it and told a story with simple dumb characters.
I get this, yeah. Hence the flamboyant dress, the silly "people in eyesight while eavesdropping" etc It feels like it was trying to be a comic book in appearance, and silly/pointless in intent
Considering how Ruin Johnson mastrubates to "Subversion" and his own non existent high IQ, i would go for that the movie was actualy trying to be clever, but fails.
@@sajtoskifli250 I didn’t take it self too seriously. It was a fun movie. I didn’t really know how to feel at first, but it started to grow on me. It showed just how much people are willing to tolerate as long as it help them get ahead. You really felt like anyone could have been the suspect. Looking forward to the third installment in the franchise.
The scene where she points out a direct evidence to Edward Northon face in close proximity so he can burn it just by reaching it and set it on fire by lighter was the most idiotic contrive plot point imaginable so Rian can have his explosion at the end of the movie and having joy to destroy one of the most important piece of painting in human history.
A painting famous because it was stolen not because it was great. Its one of the many apt metaphors of destroying it while at the same time destroying Edward Nortons character. Definitely agree it was stupid to put the paper that close to him but not completely unreasonable to get an ego when you think you've won.
The worst thing about that was the shot framing. Andi looked like she was further away and it never establishes she was as close to Miles until he suddenly burns the napkin. The movie had terrible cinematography.
I was entertained by this movie and enjoyed it! My biggest gripe is that it broke a cardinal rule of the whodunnit genre: it withheld critical information from the audience. A proper whodunnit cleverly lays every clue out before the audience so we all share in a “how did I not see that?” when the twist is revealed.
The secret to its success is editing and pacing. You don't get time to think, nor shown enough, and then the next thing to move the plot along is filing your eyes and ears.
I think you nailed. You can caught in the riptide before you have time to think. But the ending got so dumb that I don't think any editing could hide it unless you were unwilling.
I mean, you are right when you say that editing and pacing are the secret, but this movie does not really move at a breakneck pace and is in fact super fair when it comes to editing. You can literally spot the murderer doing things. Even in small scenes like the gunshot, there are no cuts for almost 20 seconds when the killer aims just so a dialogue you can't hear at that moment can happen, and is shown later. Yet people call it lazy or stupid. "Not getting time to think because the movie moves along" is practically the definition of Fridge Logic.
just throw so much at you at such a pace that you don't even have time to realize how shitty and poorly written it all is lmao just a blitzkrieg of bullshit lmao
Know how Zack snyder just makes wallpapers for desktop and iPhones? Know how Michael Bay just makes three-hour long music videos? Rian Johnson makes two-hour long TikTok videos. Everything looks awesome but its all hollow and you're only supposed to think about anything for 15-seconds.
@@valentinegonsalves7322 The accuracy of that is soul crushingly true. It's sad that so many people just want entertainment and will take the stupidest crap they can get with the mere veneer of quality. This is all Hollywood is now, all sizzle no steak.
The ridiculous part was when Helen instead of keeping the evidence she found safe to submit in the court goes on to reveal the evidence among a bunch of ppl who are against her and can easily destroy the piece of evidence - that too on an island owned by the guy she’s confronting. And she’s basically being so carless when she knows the odds are against her on a private island where she and her evidence can easily go missing, when you already know Miles killed Andy. That whole sequence feels so surreal and stupid.
Yup. And the physicality of the thing igniting and falling out of her hands and immediately burning to a crisp... what? That's ... not how fire works. Lol.
Not to mention that Blanc solves his host's mystery right away when they are at dinner. Sounds genius but it's dumb since he is there with Helen for his own reasons. Had everybody been busy trying to solve the mystery over the weekend, they would both have had much more time and opportunity to follow their own ends. Oh well.
Oh my god you're right!! It was the only part i liked, but you're right withholdin that until the 50 minute explanation of the whole movie would have kept the tension, made Blanc look smarter, and maybe flesh out the characters, but they chose the dumb
I mean, one of the key plot points, was the news of Andi's death being reported. The news of which, could only be withheld from the media for a week, as said in the flashback. They had to solve it before the news was public, or else the rest would have figured out. Details matter.
He literally says in the movie he did it to protect the billionaire guy, which itself is a obfuscation to get closer to him and learn more about the actual mystery. You would know this if you actually watched the film. Rightoids really don't have any media literacy skills
Th movie SPRINGS the reveal on the audience that Bron is the killer. You can hear Rian chuckling with pride... He's so clever! Motherfucker, if YOU killed ANDI and she SHOWS UP on your island WITH A FAMOUS DETECTIVE, what the FUCK took you so long to object to them being there that you shoot at them? Why not have them both escorted off the island? Why not kill Andi and try to bury her corpse and then THAT turns into the mystery game instead of whatever you had planned? That would've been a neat movie!
A while back I tried to write a murder mystery based on the idea I had. I've been going back and forth between whodunit and howdhecatchem (I'm an average Columbo fan, what can I say?) but about halfway through I realized how complicated the task really is. You have to lead the reader into all sorts of red herrings that all make sense in the moment, but have a proper plot twist ready near the end. And you still have to leave breadcrumbs leading up to the reveal, to make sure the reader doesn't feel like his expectations were [subverted] for the sake of being [subverted]. I wasn't happy with the result and I don't think I ever will be I trashed the project. But when I see Rian Johnson (how's that Star Wars Trilogy going, Rian?) at work, I'm thinking maybe I could become the next motherhumping Arthur Conan Doyle.
I once watched an anime called In/Spectre, where the entire plot was about solving mysteries incorrectly. Basically, they got the clues and rearranged them to fit a completely different narrative, that made just as much sense as the actual solution. It was a very interesting take on the mystery formula that made me realize that the solution to a mystery is whatever the heck you want it to be, provided you can explain it. It's just a shame that the twelve episodes the season had should've been condensed into four or five. They repeated themselves so much!
@@dontshootmex5588 Shitty "journalists" that have to lie to make a point and ignore critical details should "strike a nerve". It's incompetent and lazy. If that's your thing, then more power to you.
The scene with first only Blan watching, and then Helen AND Blanc watching from behinda tree does make chronological sense. Helen steps on a twig AFTER she ducks away to get closer. Thats when we see Blanc alone in the first time this scene is shown. I was way more annoyed by how conviently Blanc supposed that the shooter doesn't still stand behind the mirror after Helen gets up again, saved by the bullshit-diary.
Quick flow diagram with a few words and BINGO! Billion pound idea! No technical data, no radical formula, no genius code, just a flow diagram! What am I doing wasting time writing this...I should be writing a flow diagram.
You missed one other part about the Batista watching his girlie thing. HE sent her to Miles to seduce him into giving Batista a spot on "Alpha News". The first time they make it look like it's a straight up affair. The second time, they show that she is trying to get him to agree to help her boyfriend.
@@SeasonedRookie Fkn exactly. He severely underestimated Rian Johnson's intellect, and winds up making himself look like a brainlet in the eyes of everyone with half a dozen brain cells. Critical Drinker? More like Typical Sphincter!
satire is supposed to make fun of something stupid, not be the stupid thing itself. people who thought this movie was so meta and clever are the dumbest people on the planet
First of you took Jennifer Lawrence out of context, she was quoting a producer from a while back and she was not saying her opinion. 1. He interrogates him once he gets there, but he can't turn him away and act extremely stand off ish considering that would look suspicious and he's not the smartest 2. They literally poked fun at the fact he didn't burn the letter..... There's a difference between having stupid things in once film Vs having jokes and irony in once film 3. What's wrong with them playing a type? That's what they do in the film "The Menu" they all play a certain type as a fun way of telling you who they are and a bit of social commentary 4. None of them look happy after the explosion they literally all sit down looking beaten down and sad 5. They didn't know she was going to blow the place up until it was too late 6. Miles did try to check if she was dead 7. Pickpocketing is a thing..... Often when your good at pick pocketing people will not notice you doing it..... 8. A bullet being stopped by a cigarete case or book with metal in it, isn't unheard of in murder mysteries and has literally happened in real life to people 9. The chilli sauce scene was setup in the film if you payed attention you would've noticed. 10. He didn't know she had the notepad in her inside jacket pocket. 11. What makes you think he is a amateur? Also there are famous detectives I couldn't mention everything, but I do believe I got most of it..... You have some good criticisms, but you have to stop giving people false information and taking things out of context and have some civil way of not liking a film and not getting so personal about it.
Spoilers: My favorite moment of the film was the 2 minute window when.... Blanc explained to Miles about why he ruined the game-mystery. I had not really been grabbed by the movie to that point, and I was having an internal struggle with whether or not I was enjoying it. I know Knives Out is full of conveniences, but it was fun and I liked it a fair bit. This one, though, actively had me questioning if I wanted to just turn it off. Anyway, this scene gave me hope that the movie would get good from here. It basically wiped the slate clean and in that moment, I could excuse how cliché and uninteresting the movie had been to that point if it was done in service of setting up a "This isn't at all what you think it is" and I genuinely got excited to see where it went. Then it just fumbled the whole rest of the way. Then the last straw was Blanc basically turning to the camera/audience and saying "This is dumb!" followed by the worst section of the movie. I'm just disappointed and I'm very much not even interested in the next one now outside of watching Daniel Craig have fun with his character.
Completely agree. I had the same reaction to the, "I ruined your game on purpose" scene. I was like: Alright! Now we're getting somewhere! .... only to be let down by basically everything that followed
Yeah pretty much sums up my viewing experience too, I started getting really invested after you know, the actual murder happens, and then we get the flashback and I’m still invested going into it, then it keeps going, and keeps going, and I legit didn’t expect the flashback to lead all the way back, and after all that I kinda lost investment, and the finale kinda just confused me, I thought destroying all the glass was going somewhere but nah, it’s just to destroy more things. Also the fact that they put so much focus on the door for the Mona Lisa for no reason kinda disappointed me.
@@captainnomekop5056 Everything in that house was Klear, except for the Mona Lisa's protection. Miles even spoke of it earlier, that Klear wasn't just powering everything on the island, everything on the island was Klear. I'm still surprised that Miles simply didn't off everyone at the end, as he had nothing left to lose and had already shown a penchant for murder.
Yes! This comment says exactly what I was thinking but couldn't articulate. The first KO movie was funny and enjoyable despite the very unrealistic 3d-chesslike logic Blanc unravels at the end. The absurdity of the 'rich-asshole' characters was entertaining. But this movie, the rich-assholes took over the movie like toddlers at a birthday party. It left me hoping for more dialogue and deduction/reasoning from Blanc of which there was very little.
I just couldn't after the scene where Helen and Blanc decide that if someone killed Andi then they must have taken the envelope back to Miles as proof or a trophy to prove their loyalty to him. That reasoning doesn't hold up at all when it turns out Miles was the killer. Blanc also states that the killer would have stashed the envelope in their room because it was too large to keep on one's person. He, the world's greatest detective, never even considers that they could have destroyed the evidence as you said, or they they could have taken the napkin (which is very easy to conceal in a pocket) out of the envelope. If the killer wasn't Miles then there is little chance it would even be in their room because everyone had an adequate chance to pass the envelope off to Miles before Andi searched the rooms. Finally, Blanc and Helen hear the conversation between Miles and the gold bikini girl 10-15 meters away through solid glass. Movie was just dumb
Its the closest thing to a well written film we'll get from Hollywood these days, a facade of complex and quality writing. And for a film all about the facade of complexity hiding the obvious truth of idiocy, its quite ironic.
Yup movie is just dumb. I tapped out the moment Dave Butista died and Miles said he grabbed the wrong drink then it shows the fake flashback. I legit said that didn’t happen, he handed him the drink, rewound to the scene and saw yup he handed Dave the poisoned drink. Immediately ruined the entire movie
Yeah I kind of like the goofy tone of the movie, until it got in the way of the mystery.They just kept ridiculous over and over. It could've been like the board game clue but modern. But they fkd it up.
Blanc's reasoning why Miles couldn't be the killer was also extremely stupid. None of what he said made sense. Why wouldn't miles kill her shortly after a court case he won? He would seemingly have no motive and Andi had just lost half of a billion dollar company. What better time to make it look like she killed herself?
6:36 ‘Wouldn’t Helen’s presence here with the world’s most famous detective be a very obvious red flag he was already compromised?’ EXACTLY. No one would be so dumb they’d look past that one
WHY WOULD AHYONE SUSPECT ITS HELEN?! Helen hadn’t even met them before. They prolly didn’t know she was a twin let alone as willing to go thru all that trouble to investigate them!
@@iansmart4158 Helen is short hand the video uses for Helen or Andi. Whoever Miles thinks she is, the unexpected arrivals of both her and Blanc should be a giant red flag, especially to a man who’d attempted murder just days before. He should be able to suss the possibility they’re working together
People with massive brain damage keep thinking this is a real and sane situation yes. Normal people like us keep wondering why Rian Johnson keeps getting jobs in the film industry.
Lesson: Before you put characters in a bind or allow significant events to happen, always acknowledge the larger ramifications of said event, and a believable way to get your character out.
You can forgive some of the sins of _Glass Onion_ if there were a mystery here. But the Drinker nails the core problem in that there’s nothing given to viewers that allows them to ponder an actual mystery. In watching this with my wife and son, there was none of the banter between us as we tried to guess whodunit. That was telling.
The point of the film isn't the murder mystery. It's called "Glass Onion" for a reason. You have to peel the layers of an onion to see its core. You can see straight to the core of a glass onion. It's an allegory for how we view high society in contrast with what they actually are (which is explicit in the film). We allow ourselves to be blinded by their layers of "sophistication" and wealth when we can literally look right past that and see the truth.
@@soggmeisterlasagnagarfield The title of the film is "Glass Onion: A Knives Out Mystery." Mystery is literally in the title, not to mention that they put it in the "mystery/crime" genre, marketed it as a murder mystery, and it is a direct sequel to an Agatha Christie-inspired murder mystery film and features the same detective character. This movie does not get to have a terribly-written bullshit mystery plot and then excuse it with the defense that it's not actually a mystery movie.
@@MissCookieThief The Title is like an oxymoron. I know it's a terrible movie murder mystery, but that's not the point. The moral of the story is timeless and is especially relevant right now (also explicit in the film). Yes, it's bad and seemingly halfassed, but the plot isn't the purpose. If you still think it's supposed to be a murder mystery, you just allowed yourself to be trolled by Rian Johnson
@Soggmeister The only one trolled here is you if you think that a man who was handed 100's of millions of dollars to hire a dozen millionaires from Hollywood to preach about the flaws of idolizing "high society" is timeless and meaningful commentary.
This is essentially like asking "well what if bail organa never adopted leia" all of starwars falls apart, it must be awful writing because if we take out a major plot point the story doesn't work anymore. Or "what if Ben hadn't saved Luke from the sand people"
@@ewansadler5406Nope. These are questions regarding the characters doing anything sensible instead of the things they actually do in the story. What you’re describing are inciting incidents that happened as backstory.
@@auroraSLAP but the characters are shown to be less than sensible, so is it not even less sensible to assume they would act in a sensible manor? Is your complaint not like asking "well why didn't the introverted character not want to ask the love interest out I'm an extrovert and I'd happily do it"
Critical! I saw you mentioned Aberdeen and on the tiny chance you read this please reply cos I live in Aberdeen and I barely get to see anyone even mention them.
5:58 "On the surface it seems like this complex, multi-layered, mystery plot that gives up a little more information as each layer is unraveled, but the truth is that it's nothing but the flashy veneer of intelligence with nothing lying beneath." Lol, is this satire? You do know the name of the movie right?
It is pretty clever tho - something appears deep - but it’s so transparent you know what’s gonna happen from the beginning (Glass Onion metaphor) just wish they didn’t spell out the metaphor for everyone
Not me. For the first half i thought "they antman 2-ed the detective. Because he was acting SO MUCH DUMBER THAN THE FIRST MOVIE. Then they revealed that he was smart, just incompetent without the black woman doing everything for him.
The problem with that twist was its functionally deus ex machina. There was no way for the audience to have known that, and it was completely inconsistent with the facts presented so far (the inventor guy would have immediately known it was the twin, having personally killed his old partner, and strongly suspected she was the one that brought the detective. But actually he greeted her and treated her like the murdered twin, and didn’t immediately kick out the detective).
Same. I was watching and when Batista was murdered, I thought, wow, how much time is left? When I saw it was half way through and there was still another hour left, I knew it wasn't going to be good. The twin sister flashback back story stuff was too much.
I dissagree with you on this one. You blow up minor plot issues way too much. I agree that the caracters needed more depth and the setup is somewhat held together with shoestrings. But for me those issues don't detract from the overall experience too much. The glass swap was very poorly thought out was pretty much the only thing i would call entriely wrong. Similar to the first movie whe get an recontextualisation after about half and i think it was done very well without giving too much away. It is by no means a perfect film but if you can overlook some issues and plot convencience then it is a pretty good watch.
Lara Croft, Commander Shepard (Sometimes), Ellen Ripley, Sarah Connor would be on the list but I don't really relate to somebody who is that determined lol
What does "identify with" even have to do with entertainment? Usually you are supposed to empathize with the main character, but you can do that regardless of their gender or ethnicity. I can't identify with any characters in The Wire, none of them represent my life experience, but I can empathize with them. I can understand their motivations and life circumstances that lead to their decisions.
It’s almost like it was written by the same guy who wrote a scene in which a defensible position was said to have only a single way in or out. Then, in the very next scene had about 15 doors open in the side of said defensible position. 🤔 only to later find out that there was yet another ‘secret’ way out. Such brilliant writing.
Or bases a childish internet troll-type character on people who criticised his undeniably terrible movie, even though most of the criticism of said movie was legitimate criticism that he vilified as “toxic fans, trolls and man-babies”.
I had fun with this film. I didn't see it as some intricate whodunnit because the moment the twin sister showed up that went out the window but I thought the characters were funny and interesting I thought the dialog was snappy and I had a good time.
How dare you be entertained by entertainment! Every film must be complex and require hours of pouring over with a magnifying glass and fine-toothed comb. Every...single...film!
@@Carabas72 and its not like the movie had it as an ex machina. The sister was an integral part of the plot, doing things with agency. A copout is only a copout if its not built on
This movie shits in the face of everything Drinker believes + it has been directed by the man guilty of directing a movie of a franchise who has been shit since the 80s, no surprises Drinker despised it with all his strenght
@@Garret_bruh_homey the problem with that is it doesn’t say that it’s a satire, they literally call it a mystery and it film plays itself pretty straight till halfway through.
DRINKER, as much as I love your channel, your bias toward Rian Johnson is showing. I don’t even have the energy to point out everything you got wrong here but I’ll start and finish by pointing out that they didn’t rewrite history with the hiding behind the bushes scene. You just weren’t watching close enough. Watch again and pay attention this time and you’ll suddenly realize that she was always there. Hence, the sound of her stepping on a twig when they show it the first time. You got so many things wrong in this video and I wish I could point out each thing but I just do not have the time. I really think your hate for Rian has blinded you to very obvious plot elements. And I hated The Last Jedi too but damn…. It’s been almost 6 damn years, bro. Time to move on.
🎯💯 he’s criticized the gun getting taking when we see bro be a irresponsible gun owner. He has it on full display all the time, easily accessible, shoots it dangerously for no reason/fun, and drinks while he has it. Yeah I believe someone that irresponsible could get his gun taken especially in a situation like that.
But Rian Johnson himself certainly isn’t hiding his own affection towards having nonsensical expectation subversions for no other reason but shock value, so what’s the problem with pointing that out?
I was pretty much entertained by the breezy charm of the cast. But I get the feeling that when Johnson signed that $400 million Netflix deal he was like: "Shit, I better write something fast!"
It was fun when you subvert your expectations. The cut off in the middle when we find out Helen is her sister really did ruin my fun at that point I was just like “right ok hurry up I’m bored now” but up until that point I had faith then lost it all.
If you had faith up until that point, then you deserved to be subverted shittily like that. You could tell within the first 5-10 mins it was going to be trash. Hopefully from here on in you'll be able to tell and save yourself some time lol
The amount of rave reviews just indicates how many people have never read a good muder mystery in their life. Yes, I am talking about books. All things aside, how the fuck do you not know that the woman you killed has a twin sister? HOW? The movie makes it so Andi and Bron worked side by side on the Klear project. Okay, maybe he's that ignorant that he wouldn't care enough to know about Andi's family. But...he went to her house to kill her. Were there no pictures? Does Bron not have social media? Wouldn't you keep track of all your employees? This story is set in a world where "Men's Rights Advocates" are RUclipsrs. But corporations like Alpha don't keep track of employees' social media? Even though Bron is supposed to be this rich, smug control-freak asshole? Oh, its just inconvenient for Rian's story, oh, that's why!
@@valentinegonsalves7322"set in a world where men's rights advocates are RUclipsrs" considering those actually exist in the real world you might want to choose a different example (but yes I noticed that too, how does he not know she has a twin sister?)
I think absurd plot conveniences work when the world is setup as a heightened reality and you want to see a ridiculous outcome. It didn't seem like it wanted to be taken seriously, so I just enjoyed watching talented actors in silly clothes act as caricatures. And the first movie used a lot of alternate perspective/unreliable narrator stuff in flashbacks so when we see a scene multiple times with different details I just accepted different characters saw or knew different things. That said, I do not defend The Last Jedi. Maybe it's ironic, but I want the space ships and lasers to be taken more seriously than a whodunit featuring a guy named Benoit Blanc.
Same. I took this film with a massive grain of salt, and for me it was 'fine' as a throw-away flick to pass the time (full disclosure: the 3 glasses of pinot gris did not hurt in this regard :D ). And the accent Daniel Craig is using is so over-the-top, I just can't take this shit seriously. Foghorn Leghorn indeed! So yes, I agree with the Drinker that if anyone thinks this is a masterpiece....well, they may not have another 'think' coming, but they probably should. And I will never forgive absolute narcissist Rian for what he did to SW. Him, KK and JJ can burn in hell.
Yeah these films definitely aren't meant to be taken seriously, its parody. I thought the original did it better however, although I still enjoyed Glass Onion for what it is.
how dare you express a nuanced opinion about media on the internet. Don't you know that everything has to be flawless or pure garbage all the time? I mean, the bullet conveniently hitting the book has to be bad writing, because she was expecting to get shot right? It's not like it's a narrative trope utilized in media on a regular basis. In all seriousness. I'm with you. absurd plots and vapid characters are fine when the story is meant to be fun and light. Nobody was making the Titanic here, we can afford some levity and leeway to make room for a story.
Right. All these people usually complain about movies not allowed to be just fun anymore complaining about a movie that's just trying to be fun. Not every movie needs to be a deep character study. These are meant to be caricatures
10:38 the first shot of blanc hiding behind the tree he is there alone because Andi has already moved away, stepping on a twig causing it to snap and Duke to turn around, she isn't there, the shot after is moments before the first time we see that scene
I wholeheartedly agree. It baffles me that so many RUclipsrs are writing video essays praising this film for dismantling and re-writing the genre when it's clearly just an extremely poorly made garbage fest. Excellent analysis Edit: I'd just like to add that it is also a very, very boring film. Not only does the 'meta-analysis' of the film's themes and meaning fall as underwhelming, it is also exceedingly BORING. I actually really liked the first one that was made but this was awful. Don't listen to the RUclips film essayists.
Most people including me fell for the facade the movie itself literally spells out: its about layers of complexity hiding the obviously visible truth of idiocy. The whole script is obviously stupid if you take the time to actually look at it, but its facade of complexity hides it.
I still enjoyed the film, and will likely watch it again because its the closest thing I'll have to a competently written Hollywood movie- a facade of one.
I’m sick of the whole “deconstructionist” angle in all types of fiction, be it horror (Scream), superheroes (The Boys, Brightburn), sci-fi(Nu Trek), or this. The creator is basically saying “I has no meaningful contribution to the thing so I’m gonna break the thing down to show how I has a genius”.
@@yewtewbstew547 I love your rendition of the idea! Like if the movie was generally the same until the midpoint twist, only to be revealed later that actually Miles and Andi's sister were working together to solve real Andi's murder, and Blanc was kept in the dark to keep him as objective as possible. Basically a real mystery after the viewer considered the fake main mystery solved, just like Knives out.
@@yewtewbstew547 Sorry, but how will the layers be hard to see if the whole onion is transparent? I think you mean difficult to distinguish one layer from another, but the layers are transparent all the way to the visible core.
5:54 I don't think I've ever seen someone arrive at the point and completely miss it like this. Maybe it's time to let go of your vendetta over a movie that came out 6 years ago.
It's when he then starts to talk about it using the tropes of the genre, but in a different way, as part of his "this isn't subversion" spiel that gets me
I don't think the movie was poorly written, was just poorly directed. The script and characters are best suited for a satire or a spoof, but the director tried make it look like a serious movie.
I watched it with a group of people that saw it already and liked it so much they wanted me to watch it. At the time I didn't "hate" it but every time I brought up things like "why would he allow an invited guest in to an exclusive invitation only party?" or "how did it not bother Miles that the chick he killed just showed up?" they kind of dismissed me as the party pooper 😆.
It did bother miles, why do you think he shot her and showed that reaction when he first saw her, for the first question I assume you meant uninvited as you are obviously referring to Blanc, Tell me would you make the world famous detective, leave the private island, when you are planning a mystery game? Also miles is stupid and a billionaire and it would be somewhat mean if he were to send him back after coming such a long way to there.
I haven't seen the movie, but from what was said in this video I'd give Miles the small benefit of the doubt about letting Blanc & Living Dead Girl stay; he may have thought that the others, who he had to bribe and coerce into supporting him, may have been working against him with the two uninvited guests. Maybe he's arrogant enough to think that having them on *his* island means he can control the situation and handle it himself. Keep your enemies closer, kind of thing. I'm thinking this is a fun movie to drunk watch but isn't a whodunit masterpiece by any stretch, just like Knives Out. I enjoyed that one due to the performances by the talented cast but yeah the plot was pretty darn thin. Good thing I watched it while drinking!
1: Blanc came all the way to HIS island for a mystery, imagine Sherlock Holmes showed up to your house to try and deduce some whodunit game you decided to run? You'd be hyped out of your mind! 2: Andy really could have survived the sleeping pills in hot car by a number of medical marvels or just being rescued, he had no way to know her sister would disguise as her so he assumed "oh crap, my murder failed, now she's here, what now?"
I love how then they showed Benoit and Helen's list of suspects, they left off Whiskey and Peg. Worlds greatest detective decides not to investigate two people at the scene of a crime simply because they aren't main characters. Brilliant.
@@jenniferariesta6464 these ppl just wanna hate. Any thinking person would be able to put 2 and 2 together about what some “plot holes” were. Hell, even the Drinkers remark about Blanc’s swim west is silly. Blanc is a famous rich detective. Of course he dresses like a famous to person and not like an every day person. Like obvious stuff…
Don't forget the guy freeloading at the billionaire's mansion for some reason. We never find out who he is, how he knows the guy, why he's there, or anything else about him. He also seems incredibly blase about the mansion blowing up. And yet he's never considered a suspect, or even looked into at all.
I took the movie as a satire and just viewed it as a deliberate send-up of tired whodunnit tropes and found it reasonably entertaining. The foiled “murder mystery” in the beginning was a cute idea. So, I enjoyed it by considering the source and then not expecting much from it.
I don't understand why people watch movies they expect to be bad, and then say that because it was as bad as they thought, it wasn't so bad. Like, it's good to have realistic expectations, but if you think a restaurant's food is going to taste like ass, why not just eat somewhere else?
@@BWMagus Same reason why people eat fast food. Is it healthy/good compared to michelin-star meals? Nope. Do you need to be invested enough? Nope. But it's convenient and sufficiently entertaining enough.
@@accountantthe3394 Yeah but fast food is at least fast and cheap. A movie is always an hour and a half of your life you can't get back so that comparison does not really work. If everyone could eat Michelin star quality food they probably would but no one needs to watch shitty movies especially when they know how terrible and stupid it is compared to something else. If all you want is to be mindlessly entertained you could probably watch almost anything but even kid's shows have plots that make sense. Things have to be judged according to the standard of what they are trying to be not what they actually become.
@@arandy123 but dude... No. Some people actually enjoy fast food for what it is. This movie isn't a masterpiece and I do know what good films are but it's more fun to watch than inception. My family appreciates good cinema but we're more likely to watch fun than well crafted, deep and intelligently presented movies because at the end of the day, some people want to be more entertained than compelled
@@arandy123 damn, could you be more pretentious and elitist? What is wrong with people having different opinions, expectations and experiences with any given type of entertainment? And more, who are you exactly to tell how people should judge what they find entertaining or not? I swear, you anti-wokes are getting more annoying than the wokes themselves, and that is saying something!
With the criticisms you had here, I’d be curious what you think of Kingsmen, the first movie. If he takes every movie this serious, he would definitely tear Kingsmen to shreds. This was definitely a comedy/mystery/suspense film but I think Drinker missed the comedy part. It is very obvious from the style of the movie that it is not meant to be taken seriously.
These were by far the most superficial characters I have seen in any movie in a long time. You didn’t even need to hear any dialogue. Just seeing them for the first time gave you all there is to know about them. It’s insane how there was literally nothing beneath their shallow caricature.
thats the whole point of the movie "GLASS ONION" many layers of nothing for something thats portrayed as dense n they exist in todays time hence them being used for the 2020 time era
i got the vibe just from the still image of the entire cast together, that i didn't think i'd like any of them just off that first visual impression lmao. Batista the most i just an not a fan of big dudes in skin tight clothing especially lol it just looks uncomfortable as hell.
Turned this movie off after 5 mins. Completely agree, the dialogue was written through the lens of a moron. I'd rather pass a kidney stone than sit through this or Don't Look Up.
@@CaptinPain1 right, just cannot understand why so many eat movies like this up. I think they that THEY think they will look foolish if they don't pretend to like it... cuz the mass formation says they should.. weird days.
I'll say this for Johnson: He has a certain style and can put together a great ensemble (who knows why). If he hired a far superior mystery writer to create the script (let Johnson create the characters if he must), he might really make something to stand the test of time. But he won't do that -- how would he inject "the message" and "subvert expectations" if he used a script written by someone talented in that art form?
My thoughts exactly- I would 100% be on board for a Benoit Blanc franchise with Rian at the helm as long as he stays the fuck out of the writing room. He can have as much stupid fun with the characters as he wants, as long as someone else does the mystery and the plot itself. I don't care how "shameful" it is for "someone else to do it for you" like he implied with the puzzle box and fake murder mystery in this movie, you've also already confessed to being an obnoxious unoriginal idiot with this movie, so embrace it and move on.
@@kellymoses8566 Throw Taika Waititi onto that list. You want to know the difference between the amazing Thor: Ragnarök and the underwhelming mess of Thor: Love and Thunder? Taika was only the director for Ragnarök, but the director and writer of Love and Thunder.
I genuinely enjoyed Knives out. The over the top caricatures of the character archetypes were played by fantastic actors talented enough to suspend my disbelief and allow me to enjoy myself. It paired well with the coincidental almost farcical events of the film. It was also visually set in a really cool house that, like the characters, was over the top and a caricature of a murder mystery mansion. It helped that the main character Marta is Gorgeous. Taken together, I found it a relaxing and enjoyable movie with enough humor to balance out the seriousness of the murder and the silliness of the series of events. It was like the game of clue, set within an RPG like dungeons and dragons. Each character had a very specific role they embodied and contributed accordingly, but the grand design and end game was mapped out and inevitable before the game even started. Some woke innuendos laced in the movie aside, I have no complaints for what it was and genuinely enjoyed the movie. However, glass onion was a godawful dumpster fire and I found it difficult to even finish. It took a similar formula and butchered it imo. It was just too “extra” on all of the above ingredients, which ironically I feel made the first movie actually work. It didn’t help that glass onion didnt choose to use a dash of wokeness in its recipe, it went balls to the wall, which was so blatant it ruined any suspicion of disbelief I could muster. Rian ruined Star Wars, and now ironically imo ruined a potentially decent murder mystery series of his own making.
Makes me wonder if Rian Johnson even wrote the screenplay for knives out. I almost think someone ghost wrote it for him and in this sequel Rian just copied the ghost writers formula and failed miserably at it cause he has no talent besides being a decent director behind the camera.
I have a love hate relationship with Rian Johnson's work. It seems that literally half of his projects are amazing, and the other half are all extremely flawed (but I usually get some enjoyment out of). I find it fascinating how a director can be so shit so much of the time, yet I find myself still excited for new projects by him. Rian Johnson is the Russian Roulette of modern Hollywood. This is also why I personally feel that Knives Out 3 is going to be good. also, "woke innuendos" is an oxymoron. For something to be woke, it has to beat you over the head with it's progressive messaging. By the definition I am using, something cannot be both subtle with it's themes, and also woke.
@@GoallpeashootersI agree, even Looper (besides Brick which I haven’t seen yet) is acclaimed as his best work, and despite on paper and in presentation the film having elements I love, the ending, it’s plot holes and the direction of the story didn’t appeal to me. Even scientifically and conceptually the guy is very adamant and rejects advice from test screenings (a prominent critic I follow on letterboxd and even Shane Carruth who directed Primer made alterations/suggestions to the script which Johnson largely ignored) which is fine if it’s a studio but if it’s constructive and in good faith it’s worth considering. I agree with your comments on “wokeness” here too, as a indecisive centrist who leans left over certain issues, I found that the politics of the Knives Out 1 resonated with me. Only Glass Onion I would describe as “woke” but if you accept the satirical characterization and the exaggerated nonsensical nature of the sequel I guess it could be partially interpreted as critical or signifying the ridiculousness of the “woke” elements while criticizing the products of the affluent echelons of capitalist society. That said I could ignore all of this because it was still fun, but even visually it was a downgrade, with little artistic merit and a made-for-streaming look to it like I’ve not seen from any of his other films.
@@shinkaibara1025hat statement was supposed to be impressive I’m certain, but it sure de-fuses the puerile political statement to admit it’s in a stupid story…
@@bloodrunsclear It depends: dumb means also unpredictable, with a certain degree of randomness. A perfectly crafted plan can be, paradoxically, easier to predict, because you expect every action taken to have a purpose for maximum benefit and efficiency. Sometimes, very often in fact, people fumble and do things on the spur of the moment. For someone as logical as Blanc, it's more difficult to figure out. That's why the movie allows itself to be so transparent and have Helen, who is no sleuth , blurt out the culprit's name and motive, only to have Blanc say that it'd be unbecoming of someone obviously so clever as a multimillionaire genius, to do something like that. That's something a lot of wuddunits do, actually, have the most likely culprit instantly exposed , only to have something else (by their clever machination or else) divert the attention to other people.
@@War_Maker they aren’t especially when they significantly effect the plot like miles after seeing a person he killed with the worlds greatest detective and not politely tell blanc to leave. He being stupid isn’t an excuse.
I actually really liked Knives Out, and I almost can't believe that this was made by the same person. It seemed like a very stupid person tried to do Knives Out and failed every major plot point/revelation. Even my dad thought it was rubbish, and he has a very high tolerance for Hollywood rubbish.
Considering Rian's history, I ended up thinking that Knives Out was a fluke, and he just tried to reapply the same recipe for Glass Onion. To the point of trying to stick with silly details, like Blanc being obsessed with donuts in Knives, and with onions in... Onion. Kind of like a student copying an article from wikipedia, but replacing some words with synonyms to make it appear original.
I just didnt get Knives Out. Expecting a really tight well written murder mystery but it wasn't. The nurse is trying to get away with it, and even in the best case scenario she's still guilty of manslaughter so I had real trouble routing for her. Plus it's a murder mystery where the "killer" cant lie without throwing up...
I think it was just over complicated. Would have actually been more fun to have the sister reveal in the beginning (like first few scenes like in knives out you know the rough basis before most of the actual drama) , then let tension build as we watch Helen try to pretend to her sister.
After Ed Norton burned the napkin I predicted to the people with whom I was watching it, "The final twist will be that a part of the Mona Lisa's security system includes a video recording every time it's triggered, so that'll be the evidence they need. Look how throughout the movie it keeps cutting to her whenever the security is triggered and how it lingers on her eyes. Ed Norton even talked about how she's looking back at you. Moreover, he even said that he didn't read the information about the security system that came with it, so that would underscore Daniel Craig's point that he's an egotistical idiot." I guess I'd forgotten how stupid the movie was so far. It was wrong of me to assume that what they'd been setting up the entire movie would pay off in the end (or that they were even aware of what they were doing).
@@SparkY0 ....nnnno it wasn't. You didn't watch the movie. It's dumber than had OP predicted, but it does involve him being targeted by governmental agencies in relation to the Mona Lisa's protection.
That honestly would’ve been a better ending. I get it Rian you like subverting expectations but sometimes you just want to see a criminal arrested instead of whatever that was.
That wouldn’t have worked unless you had someone to find the footage and leak it successfully. Even if someone found it when Miles returned the Mona Lisa, he is still powerful enough to respond and never have it released (because he’s obviously gonna be asked questions about it before it leaks or is used as evidence). I feel the ending we got was literally the only way it could’ve ended. Sometimes there really isn’t much more to do, and Helen’s breakdown is pretty entertaining to watch too.
It was a great parody of the detective genre. The main detective goes in with full expectations of a deep plot and actively calls out each plot hole and failings and gets exasperated by the end by its stupidity. Which I kind of respect. He hates his own movie 😂
As I was watching this review I was thinking "Did Critical Drinker miss that this is a parody of some sort?" And I haven't even seen the movie. It seems even just from the shots I saw here in this review that it was nodding at the audience the entire time... Especially with the explosion. And where that one shot was retconned to have the other character in it. It was obviously shot to be humorous. I'm curious to see it honestly. Ryan may have made a crap Star Wars movie, but I'm not going to preemptively judge his other movies.
"...how Rian Johnson keeps getting work" I'm guessing because people that don't take themselves too seriously. (I include you and the Drinker) keep going to see his stuff. He's a commodity. And investors will get him to tell as many stories as possible,
Dietrich Bonhoeffer said it best: you can't convince a stupid person of the truth the same way you can with a someone who is just uninformed. In the case of the latter, you can use logic and reasoning to show them the faults of their beliefs and teach them the truth. A stupid person will always hold fast to their opinion even if its illogical and ridiculous, and even if you try to convince them of the truth. The reason is, simply, they are stupid. Great video, Drinker
That's a very good explanation as to why you can't convince Trump hating numb skulls that the January 6th committee and investigation are complete frauds and political theater
But Drinker, you forget: R. Johson was always a master of the murder/mystery-genre: He murdered StarWars and he keeps being mysteriously hired for other movies.
truer words have never been said before
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Gneiss.
To be fair though, I think Abrams already killed Star Wars with The Force Awakens, Johnson just put the nail in the coffin.
Star Wars is still very much alive
Andor being incredibly popular
Bad Batch still going
Mandalorian Season 3 on the way
This film is like an onion: the more layers you peel off, the more you want to cry.
Do you watch disparu by any chance?
ummmmm aktualy u cry from onions because of dull knife
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Best come back all day!
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I’m just glad to see Daniel Craig looking like he’s actually enjoying the part he’s got.
And to be in more movies, only 5 bond films in damn near 20 years is insane
He made better movies than this, and not Bond.
yeah, I liked him in this and also the other knives out movie.
I guess getting paid $500m will do that to a man
He's just happy to receive a paycheck for starring in this piece of crap movie!
I actually liked the movie because it is exactly what you described, a highlight of the ideocracy of Hollywood and the elites. Its almost satire how the whole murder mystery draws us into these characters and sets Miles up as an eccentric genius with his crew of influencers. And it turns out the whole mystery is solved when we get past that façade and realize they're all just idiots.
It’s not almost satire, it IS satire. Like that’s the whole point
It's certainly not a highlight of "Hollywood and the elites". Hollywood and elites are overwhelmingly woke left and the "bad" characters are caricatures of the types the woke left currently hates.
The billionaire guy is meant to be an Elon Musk figure. Kate Hudson's character is portrayed as decidedly unwoke. Bautista's character is a "men's right activist" like Andrew Tate.
Even the crime is an evil rich white male killing a noble black woman for trying to do the right thing.
Everything this godawful director makes is thinly disguised woke propaganda.
You literally described the plot: a genius in appearance only revealed to be nothing more than a bumbling-credit-stealing-moron.
@@manbo1213 is it difficult to see? I don't understand these people
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But the movie instantly shows you Miles is an idiot? I am an idiot, and I guessed he was the killer when "Helen" stepped off the boat. Shit was obvious.
“It’s a dangerous thing to confuse speaking without thought for speaking the truth.”
Yes! I absolutely loved that line in the movie. Despite having many flaws, I can't deny that tbe movie also had good instances like these.
@@rewalos5077 he is talking about the Critical Drinker take on the movie, he is not speaking the truth, is just speaking about the movie without thinking
@@LeonardoGPN Yes, the Critical Drinker is so butthurt about The Last Jedi, the pathetic alcoholic manlet still hasn't gotten over hating Rian Johnson HALF A DECADE LATER. lmao
It's clouded his judgment... heck, it's eroded his judgment into a green gooey slush. Ew.
@@LeonardoGPNit’s not so much not speaking the truth; it’s deliberately lying. Or maybe the irony is that he’s the stupid person he brings up in the first seconds of the video.
that line is a poorly written desperate attempt to seem clever and profound that you can find in the notebook of a 3rd grader. another great analogy for the movie. i love all the re-res who came here expecting to see another shill review to validate their opinions only to get demolished. another drinker classic
The trick to writing a murder mystery is to slowly drip-feed information to the audience which recontextualizes earlier scenes so that the audience sees them in a different way that makes them realize their assumptions were wrong, not to retroactively change what happened and blatantly lie to the audience so you can smugly say "bet you didn't see that coming".
It's like if someone walked up to you and said, "Hi, my name is Bob", to which you replied, "Hi Bob, nice to meet you", and then they said, "Ha! My name's not Bob! It's Carl! Don't you feel like a fool now?! I'm so clever!"
Conceeded however at this point I'll take bad writing over anything mired in the Feminine Imperative or Diversity/Representation agenda.
This movie is so garbage, might end up on your reviews soon...
Hey Possum!
Exactly! Thank you!
if you were so smart you would have called the police on sasquatch when he tried to rape you,but of course you like critisizing roundheads with mental disabilities
In all fairness the chili sauce was given to him by miles in the movie earlier.
Yeah , it’s called setup and payoff! Weird that this reviewer thinks that’s a contrivance instead of just, the language of film
@@83croissant True, it was given but it was just so random that Miles gave Benoit the two thing which would have the most impact, the crystal and the hot sauce. It is almost like in games they highlght the ladder to climb. It is also weird that Benoit was carrying it around. Didnt he change clothes in the middle?
@@83croissant yes but why would anyone carry a big bottle of hot sauce on their person all day? Like who does that? That’s just stupid movie logic because the answer is: no one. No one carries big bottles of hot sauce in their pockets all day.
How do you know I don't have some Tabasco sauce in my backpack RIGHT NOW? Checkmate, Rian haters.
@@wpeniche it wasn’t all day. It was maybe a few hours before Duke died and Helen gets shot. There was no opportunity for him to go to his room and put it away
The most stupid part was where she kept the napkin in front of Miles for him to burn!
It wouldn't have mattered. A scrawl on a napkin with no independent way to show it was contemporaneous with the original idea was not going to be sufficient evidence get an appeal or another trial. The print of the name of the bar at the bottom of it was worthless evidentially.
Even if it could vindicate her, you just happen to find a well-preserved napkin from 30 years ago after the most important trial of your life.
@@christopherpackham732 This just makes the plot more stupid as the whole story line was shaped around that napkin!
The scene where he approaches her with a lighter, and she just stays still and allows him to burn the napkin made me want to throw the TV out the window
I gotta wonder if her character was still drunk in that scene. But I do think it’s funny that Miles couldn’t even have that idea, still had to take it from someone else
People seem to be mad about the whole twin thing, because it doesn’t allow you to figure out who the killer is before that reveal. Some people I’ve seen have said that the viewer should be rewarded by keeping a close eye out for clues, while the twins twist couldn’t be sussed out. But the thing is, from the very scene we see a murder happen, we can see it’s miles. He literally makes the killer drink hands it to Duke, lies about it where it shows a doctored scene of what he’s describing, then has multiple scenes where you can see Dukes phone in his pocket. We know it isn’t his because it’s been established that he uses fax.
Don't forget the part where he takes Duke's gun and hides it under his shirt and then puts it on the table before making the drink. You can solve the murder literally in the same scene it happens if you pay attention.
Also, while it's unlikely that you'll pick up on the exact details of what's happening, the movie deliberately shows you "Andy"'s imperfect nails and hair in her dock introduction, which many people did take as an indication that something was off. Why would a certified "rich bitch" have these things be anything less than perfect?
@@TRGOTSVODSI did wonder why she made that comment about rich people at the start in fairness but Christ Sherlock Holmes couldn't figure out the twins twist.
Sorry. It's a force of habit to call out bad writing. We will try to control ourselves
@@kingcreedo6010 We forgive you, it's ok if you make a mistake every now and then. :)
The most absurd part of this movie is that all of these people wouldn’t have know that Andy has a twin sister.
under rated comment. They all knew her for years. She never said hey do you guys know i have an identical twin
@@corvoattano4777 Kate Hudson does say "Oh, yeah, she mentioned she had a sister" but it's still pretty stupid.
That just buys into them being self centered and selfish to even remember she has a twin sister. They don’t care to remember. They don’t care ab anyone but themselves??
But for most they didn't think she was dead so why would they expect her to be the twin?
You'd think that the tech billionaire who tried to discredit her in court would have found that out. A basic investigation into her would find that out.
- Glass Onion's Andi burns down the Mona Lisa out of sheer pettiness and sees it as a victory.
- Rian Johnson burns down Star Wars out of sheer pettiness and sees it as a victory.
It's like poetry, it rhymes.
And the final shot of the movie with her in a “Mona Lisa” pose was the most cringe thing I’ve seen all year.
Revenge for the death of a sister ain't pettiness.
@@XanderVJ dead sister does not justify destroying the most famous painting in the world.
@@BrainWasherAttendent It's like the Mona Lisa being replaced is supposed to . . . mean something. I wonder what.
@@tigerburn81 "Diversity"!
2:36 U can always argue that people would think a certain way but when the PLOT TELLS YOU that the guy is stupid u cant expect him to make the best decision. Thats character assassination.
That was more or less what Rian Johnson was going for. There were obvious hints:
I saw the Isocasahedron at the heart of the glass onion in first 20 minutes of the film.
I paused the movie and stared at it.
Why do the lines leave an empty hexagon in the center?
Divining the mystery of the glass Onion, I was overcome with emotion. It gave the appearance of deep meaning, but it was painfully stupid. So stupid that I might have cried.
Failing to understand that it was a metaphor for the entire film, I watched it to the end.
I was so close and yet so far at the same time.
@@hypothalapotamus5293 "Jesse, What the fuck are you talking about?"
@@hypothalapotamus5293 Sir, this is Wendys
@@hypothalapotamus5293 worth typing all that?
@@mikelewis6 Probably more worth it than your comment.
If you want a good twist, have Andy's twin sister actually be Andy, pretending to be Andy's sister pretending to be Andy, because he actually screwed up and killed the twin sister.
That would be a twist
That would be fucking stupid
The whole point is that he was stupid and stole everyone else as good ideas so that would be within the main characters ethos and pathos.
That would be a twist. A good twist? No, but a twist nonetheless
to whit: the twin sister twist
This movie was legit entertaining, and absolutely a tribute to stupidity and vanity. Recommended.
Absolutely. I honestly had a good laugh and the twist was pretty good
Most people love seeing a send up of the vain and pompous elite.
This movie is just poor...The inflammatory racial politics--isn't that (laughably) called "stochastic terrorism" by hysterics now?--which fairly 100% informed the movie's casting, is icing on the mudcake.
So pirate it?
@Icy Crusader it is on Netflix. If you don't have that yes.
Same. Just a fun ride, turn ur brain off. I'm no fan of Rian Johnson but, these movies are alright
As a man I identified with the bride in Kill Bill. Well written female leads can be extremely relatable. No excuses!
So many great female leads to identify with.. LA femme Nikita, Ripley, etc etc
As a teenager (and male) I was a huge fan of Buffy the Vampire Slayer (the Joss Whedon TV series)- and not just because she was hot, I also empathized with and easily saw things from her point of view. Along with numerous other female heroins and leads from various TV shows and movies.
Obviously I didn't have the perspective of a teenage girl, but I don't need to share every single aspect of a character in order to find them relatable.
The idea that men or boys "can't relate to a female lead" is absurd and insulting and sexist.
I've even seen some well-written Rom-coms with good female leads I could identify with. If you write a good character who's not an author self-insert or a complete blank slate, your audience will find commonalities with them, regardless of genders.
But this is the "equity" mindset-people should be forced to like your shitty movie starring a self-centered bitch just to make things even!
I tonya, fury road, Witch, last night in soho and definitely not any movie involved with hunger games actor
@@Sticklemako Were they just talking about action leads in that clip or just women leads in general? Because if it’s the first one, I mean most of those women are made masculine and their identities as women are diminished to make male audiences identify with them more. Take kill bill. The bride only had her child to anchor her to womanhood. Most of these female characters that men identify with are literally written by men.
The red hot sauce was in his pocket from before, when he mistook it as a drink and he was told to take a few bottles. The scene were we see Blanc behind Duke is a couple seconds later than the scene with Blanc and Helen behind Duke. Helen sneaks away and steps on a twig, Duke looks around, Blanc hides. The scene with only Blanc starts from Dukes perspective with the twig breaking, and then Blanc behind him (Helen already sneaked away at this point).
What was an actual case of falsety, was the glass incident. We first see Miles giving the glass to duke, then later, when he lies about it, it is framed as a flashback, but it isn't, it is his lie and the "flashback" shows Duke grabbing the wrong glass instead of Miles handing it to him.
Dont bother, the channel is intentionally lying and the low IQ gullible fans of this lying channel won't bother to even check what is real before circlejerking about the video
Also, the flashback thing., Johnson wants to put the viewers in the shoes of the characters, its a proven fact that eye witness testimony (and memories) can change based on suggestions by others
That sauce bittle is a very nice coincidence don't you think
@@mayanksharma3651 yeah but it was established that Miles just has a bunch of random products that celebrities gave him. Like the hard Kombucha or Serena Williams recordings. I it might be coincidental but I don’t think it’s implausible and that’s the big thing.
@@mayanksharma3651a coincidence to set up the hero are okay.
The glass thing is exactly the part that got me interested. I saw what happened the first time, but then the "flashback" had me questioning what I actually saw. I even said to my wife, "What? That's not what happened!"
"Why did Blanc have a convenient bottle of hot sauce to use as fake blood?" Somebody doesn't have an eye for detail!
He was so blinded by his hatred towards Rian Johnson (for wokeness), he left his brain outside the door when he entered the recording room.
Which led to him cluelessly flaunting his mental ret*rdation and opening the review by insulting literally everyone who's got a bigger brain and sounder moral compass than himself.
@@kaned3570 I think Captain Wong is saying that Mr Hypocritical Sphincter doesn't have an eye for detail.
Hot sauce is part of the EDC.
I mean damn, Miles just outright says "Take a few bottles" and we can see Benoit Blanc pocket it, plain as day
Why the fuck would he just carry around a bottle of hot sauce at all fucking times.
“No identical twins without sufficient preparation” is literally one of the Rules of FairPlay Whodunnits that were written almost 100 years ago, but sure. In an age of social media and people blabbing their secrets all over the web, we can believe no one knew this famous, wealthy woman had an identical twin.
They all knew. The blonde says so at the end.
@@2Siders we didn't
The Prestige handled this about as cleverly as you can. Over and over it tells you it's a double but you don't believe it because HJ doesn't believe it and you want it to be more complex. But all the proof is cleverly placed in front of you. Halfway through GO the movie is like "Oh by the way there are twins".
I see Elon musk and watch videos discussing his successes and. Introversion.
Because if this comment I searched whether he had siblings and found out he had 2 ( a sister and brother).
Never knew that before just now
Completely reasonable to not know some famous person has siblings. Especially when they aren’t really in each other’s lives at all which is the case in GO.
@@phenom568 to be fair the prestige didn't have an identical twin. It was a clone. But yeah it also had a ton of setup and clues throughout the movie
Showing most of the clues in a flashback instead of experiencing them during the story certainly was one of the plots of all time
The thing that didn’t happen?
well, it worked greatly
Idk man, it works for me in these 2 movies
It's not a flashback in the traditional sense, it's a second act that mirrors the first, shows all the SAME clues but with further context, and I think it was brilliantly executed.
@@mirkecWii if you wanna see good usage of a flashback you should watch Pootie Tang.
I’ve liked both movies so far. I thought the idea of everything being remarkably stupid and a letdown, akin to meeting one of these popularly worshipped “geniuses”, was actually very funny.
Craig’s character’s disgust at discovering how uninventive the crime actually turned out to be was hilarious 😂
True, the ending was hilarious. I liked the movie with his big plot holes and some stupid instances. It is a fun movie too watch but by far no masterpeace
The smartest character in the whole movie is the brother who just hangs out, smokes weed, drinks beer, and watches everything burn.
Smart like Kato? 🙄
A true stoic 😂
What a chad.
He's a little lonely, making him the only human in the film that needs a little more attention. He sought it indirectly twice and directly once. He'll be fine.
Derol is a legend 😂
That whole scene where Ed Norton is discussing fracture theory, about how people hate you for trying something different, I was thinking 'This is Rian justifying what he did to the Last Jedi'
Ironically Blanc himself said it was stupid in the end, which leads me to realise that the self-awareness is seriously lacking in this one
The whole movie is set up to mock Ed Norton's ideas and portray him as an idiot. But at the end, when Blanc "disrupts" the legal system he's a part of by letting Janelle Monae destroy Norton's house, he essentially adapts Norton's policies. That's not "irony" or "poetic justice," that's just the movie going back on its entire message for a moment of smug self-satisfaction.
What an idiot.
you do realize norton’s character is the bad guy right? his notion of just pissing everyone else off is meant to be hatable. he’s not justifying anything.
Nah. It's supposed to be mocking Elon Musk. Johnson just lacks the self-awareness to realize that he's guilty of the same sort of "victim of success" over confidence and excuse making.
This isn’t actually lacking in self awareness. This could just as much be a tacit admission that he was a smart arse when it came to the last Jedi. The reason knives out was successful was because he subverted expectations without betraying the audience.
With regards to the ending, you don’t break something for the sake of breaking something, you reveal something to be broken. By revealing Klear to be dangerous, she was able to avenge her sister, and in turn get justice for her sister. You’re allowed think yourself too smart to enjoy these movies but you’re missing out on some fun by not letting yourself get swept up along with it.
@@chadmwilliams89 I don't think it is specifically mocking Musk. The movie was mostly shot when Musk was still the liberals darling. Nortons character also looks like a Steve Jobs-Imitation in the scene where the black lady refuses to go anlong with his hydro plans. The character strikes me as someone who wants to be Jobs or Musk, but simply isn't. The movie depicts him as someone who gets rich implementing other peoples ideas. Thats called managing and done right its nothing to be laughed about - but its not a what he wants to be seen.
One thing I did appreciate about Glass Onion is that it wasn't just a string of references to Knives Out, as a lot of sequels to sleeper hits seem to be.
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Knives Out did well and it was shot well, but beyond that it did nothing for me.
It felt like an Agatha Christie mystery written by someone who didn't understand the mystery part.
I literally guessed the villain the moment I first heard them mentioned and the same was true in Glass Onion.
I kept expecting some great reveal about Marta's crazy Go skills meaning she had been playing 4D chess the whole time with everyone including Blanc, like she was a super villain genius all along - instead the Go reference was completely pointless and signified nothing important.
Agatha Christie mysteries can leave you feeling hollow from the horror of it all at the end.
All Knives Out and Glass Onion made me feel was hollow from how obvious and shallow it all was.
Rian is just playing the MCU style race to the bottom game of script writing quality.
@@mnomadvfxthe whole point of Marta’s go skills was to expose the fact that Ransom knew that she would inherit everything, as Harlan talked about her in his conversation with Ransom about the will.
@@mnomadvfx i will say her go skills were part of that, when ransom says " huh, i always thought i was the only one who could beat him at go" was ransom saying he thought he was the only one who could out smart Harlan who was a crime novelist. so in a way it is what you were expecting.
@@mnomadvfx Marta's Go skills were very significant in both symbolism and foreshadowing in the movie.
Unlike international chess which I assume would be more familiar to you, the win condition of Go depends on the final score count. However, these score counts consist of both the present pieces as well as the vacant points created by the formation. In other words, taking your opponent's pieces will not simply net you a win.
In the movie, it is explained that Marta's Go strategy focused more on creating a beautiful pattern rather than winning. This is actually an entirely valid strategy (albeit drastically simplified). Setting up a formation, or a so-called beautiful pattern, may be more effective in winning a game of Go rather than focusing on taking your opopnent's pieces. Similarly, it is a very obvious metaphor for Marta succeeding by simply being a person of good character (as opposed to Ransom and Marlan's tendency to "outsmart" using their wits).
Now, in my opinion, I do find the notion that a novice building a beautiful pattern could defeat an experienced player rather unrealistic. (It would be similiarly ridiculous to suggest that chess skills are somhow direct indicators of intelligence rather than dedication and accumulated knowledge with a tinge of talent. i.e. person good at chess must be smart and vice versa. But hey, that's Hollywood for ya) But for the themes the movie wishes to convey, the game of Go is beyond sufficient.
I don't find Knives Out to be a particularly good mystery film. And it's not trying to be that. In my opinion, the series uses the mystery genre and format more so as a vehicle to deliver its social critique (which leaves a lot more to be desired, but then again what more could you expect from a two hour film whose purpose is to entertain than to educate) Regardless of personal opinion (which is more of a slightly intrigued meh), I do think that the scripts have a surprising amount of thought and polish. I think that the level of quality is recognizable even if the audience do not resonate with the writers' ideology (and this I do agree to be obvious and shallow)
Your subjective viewing experience is what it is and is entirely valid. However, your complaint regarding the Go metaphor is somewhat... shallow.
I don't think this guy understood the movie... half the "unexplained" stuff was spelled out very clearly in the scenes before
IKR, for example the scene where TCD claims that Helen has been added in when she should've been visible before - it's perfectly clear what happens if you watch the scene carefully and it makes total sense.
You mean like in the scene where the flashback changes what happens, lol. Great writing. 😂
@@culturalliberator9425 nothing "changes" you are just shown more of the scene, the camera zooms out and we see the flashback roll for an extra few seconds. The events are still identical, you can even line up both scenes and watch the flashbacks at the same time and they line up perfectly, even the sound is the same. I genuinely think you might be too stupid to observe objective reality.
The movie literally lies about scenes and what happened earlier. This is a whodunnit without an iota of being able to figure anything out, apart from of course the eccentric billionaire being the killer as if any other outcome could be possible
@@joshblack9182But then why not use a different angle? They literally use THE EXACT SAME SHOT with Helen edited in. When we KNOW that’s not what happened
I have to disagree with most of your analysis of this movie. For example, there are ways to explain Mile's behaviour (with regards to letting Blanc and "Andie" on the island) that fit with his character.
What I will focus on in this comment is how you seemed to have missed something when comparing the two times we see Duke watch his girlfriend with Miles. The first time we are in close up on Duke until we hear a *snap* in the background and Duke turns around; when Duke looks back we are in a wider shot and see Blanc peer out from behind a bush. The second time we see this scene we are in a wide shot to begin with and we see both Blanc and Andie peer out, then Andy goes to move forward and steps on something, creating a *snap* sound, after which both characters hide as Duke turns around. So, there was no lie, we just saw things from a different perspective the second time.
don't expect any intelligence from a loser incel still whining about garbage wars years after the movie came out xD last jedi even was one of the better movies of that terrible franchise
…yeah, but…no
I hear what you’re saying here, and it would make sense…
But look at the first angle again please. And
Yeah, they’re both practically leaning out at the same time. Snap or no snap (you’re right about the snap, well said)
But, sorry, it’s blatant manipulation cause, well, already said it. She would have totally been visible in the first angle.
Not bad though, given if the first angle was panned inward more. But it wasn’t, and Andy should have been completely visible
(Not “should” but, I think you’re believing the first shot didn’t show as much as it did. It did m8, the f-ing tree she’s behind it right there….
I mean dude it’s *right* *there*)
Doesn’t mean you don’t have others you have arguments against that make sense, not against you…but that shot & 2nd shot was such blatant manipulation…which is not what helps a good thriller/mystery at all.
Compare this to, say, The Prestige…where the use of a twin is actually believable, given the era & the professions of the main characters.
And the fact that there’s no forced manipulation; you pay attention enough, you’ll see the mystery, the reveal, cause Nolan respects the intelligence of the audience.
Compare it to Memento (totally didn’t mean to use 2 Nolan movies).
Different perspectives work, because we’re relying on the narration/perspective of an unreliable narrator. Changes in face/environment make sense due to his handicap, and no blatant manipulation of the camera is really used.
This isn’t to say that there aren’t other things to not agree with here, I hear you on that (so really, a bombing of keyboard warrior attacks b/c I simply disagree w/one thing, and articulated why…would be appreciated. You know what I mean lol
Well, hopefully. Anyway, 👍✌️
@@RagnaRantz I don''t think you're understanding how the scene is playing out. Helen isn't visible because the shot we are shown with just Blanc IS AFTER she moved places and broke the twig. The peeking scenes are not at the same time, they are two different peeks that happen seconds apart. The timeline is Blanc and Helen peak (we don't see this part until later), Helen moves and breaks a twig, Duke looks behind him and sees nothing, then Blanc by himself peaks AGAIN and Helen is not in that spot anymore because she moved. The first time we see the scene it starts with the second peek, then later on they reveal more of the scene that happened earlier.
@@iEffloresce umm
Dude?
I’m understanding how the scene is playing out. Really.
It’s not complicated.
I am simply saying that, with that first shot? The tree that she is clearly behind at the SAME time? She should be visible.
I get it (please m8, not difficult)
It’s the perspective of Blanc.
But the angle…dude the angle was flat out bad. If you show the background, the actual tree she was right behind, even if we’re in “Blanc’s perspective”…
Blanc’s perspective then loses to the perspective to the audience being able to see what’s behind him. Period. His perspective loses credibility if you’re going to have an angle that would have shown her.
But I hear you. To keep it in Blanc’s perspective & to have that perspective not lose credibility (cause it did)…all the director had to do was pan IN and NOT show where she clearly was.
That’s it. Done. Blanc’s perspective stays intact and does not lose out to the obvious perspective of the audience. That’s blatant manipulation…hands down and no way around it.
Imagine it were a book. Blanc’s head. He wouldn’t have described the scenery behind him. The fact there is a second tree (or he would of, right before peaking out).
It would narrate him subtlety peaking out, being careful. The narrate the sound of the snap.
It would NOT have narrated “at the exact time I peaked out, so did”…you see what I mean?
I’m not disagreeing about the perspective.
I’m saying that, it’s a movie, and Blanc’s perspective loses to the perspective of the audience the moment we can see behind him.
And when it shows the same shot, but OH NOW she’s there too…that’s manipulative.
Sorry m8, no way around that.
I get what you’re saying, and it holds a little weight. But not much when we see the exact same tree, twice…one where she’s not peaking just like him, one where she is.
It’s fine to disagree…but at this point, to not see my point; that’s almost flat denial
Anyway…appreciate the respect. And I mean that, considering the absolute incredible salt and anger with anyone that doesn’t agree “this was a great movie”.
Ehh.
Anyway…to say “I’m not understanding”-no mate, stop misunderstanding me is all.
See?
They shouldn’t have shown that tree, they shouldn’t have shown that angle. Wanna keep it in Blanc’s perspective and not have that lose out to the intelligence of the audience? Simple, pan in and DONT show the tree behind him.
See?
And if not, just gotta agree to disagree. Only reason I say “stop saying I don’t understand”-
cause that’s becoming “turning a blind eye”…and you don’t mean it ugly, I know that, but it’s an insult to my intelligence. Reiterating; it’s not that complicated, your point-
Take care. And again, I do appreciate the respect. And, back at you. No insults toward you, at all. I’m sure you probably see my point.
If we disagree still? Oh well, it’s ok.✌️
@@RagnaRantz hey, yeah, I looked back and you're right, the shot was wide enough that we should have seen Blanc and Helen/Andi lean out the first time around. I would say that is a framing or editing mistake, though and not blatant manipulation. I mean, if they had actually done just a close up on Duke so that you couldn't see the trees (like I thought they did), then it all works.
It's not like they showed Blanc peeking out pre-snap the first time and then Helen and Blanc peeking out pre-snap the second time. That would have been blatant manipulation. The fact that the snap sound is there makes it clear that it was a marker for when the audience was supposed to see certain things.
So, yeah, they screwed up (no movie is perfect), but the intent was merely to hide the fact that Helen was also there until the second pass. It's still a good movie that holds up way, way better than Drinker implies it does.
It was also very lucky that the 6 best ex-friends of Andy didn’t know she had a sister…
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Birdie literally said that Andi told her she had a sister
They knew about her sister so whoever among them killed andi would act weird in the beginning and would settle down once they realise she might be the sister or andi survived but in the end they didn't know andi was dead so they wouldn't think about her sister. Only miles acted a lil weird upon seeing her but settled down quickly, the movie doesn't tell if he concluded that andi survived somehow or it's his sister.
They did know. What are you talking about? They didn't know Andi was dead. That was like, a huge aspect to the movie. It's why Dave Baptista's character was killed--because he found out Andi was dead and he knew he did it!
@@kirikakirikakirika well, if you kill someone and you know about the sister, it is a very obvious trap if a look-alike turns up at the party - so they had to rely on the assumption that the killer has no idea about the twin sister, or else it is pretty obvious what is happening and the killer will poke the suspect-fake Andy with questions to test if she is the real one
I think he was actually drunk while watching this movie.
It'd be in character for him
Im not sure if he actually watched the movie
I think he was drunk making the video too
All his nitpicks were countered perfectly in this video. This vid is what you get if you don't pay enough attention to the movie you're watching 🤷♂️
ruclips.net/video/B-5uSY1_b80/видео.html
Explain how he's wrong this movie is terrible the whole it's just dumb excuse doesn't excuse bad writing
"This review is so dumb, it's brilliant!"
NO. It's just dumb.
The movie sucks ass, cry cope and seethe
One of the rules for all detectives: "Don't make twins your plot twist".
I think The Prestige did it pretty well... Not a murder mystery exactly, but similar concept.
@@vezonf3nrak Yeah, The Prestige was brilliant.
@@vezonf3nrak Prestige set up everything perfectly. If you rewatch it you can pick up all the small hints.
What about Ace Attorney?
Have to agree...the prestige is pretty much to only one..
"I expected complexity. I expected intelligence. I expected a puzzle, a game. But that's not what any of this is. It hides not behind complexity, but behind mind-numbing obvious clarity. Truth is, it doesn't hide at all" - perfect summary of the movie 😆
Precisely. It's a glass onion. On its surface appears densely layered and complex, but in truth you can look directly at the core.
Or how about when Kate Hudson says it's so dumb it's brilliant and then Craig says no it's just dumb
I expected absolutely nothing from the movie and feel completely cheated.
According to what authority? You? Drinker? I don't think that'll hold up in court.
To be honest the first movie was like that too. Was baffled of the high scores it got, not that its awful but I don't think it was that good.
The biggest irony is that there is a perfect metaphor for the movie within the movie itself. The puzzle box, a pretty object full of simple and meaningless puzzles meant to make the creator look smart, but actually it just represents the creators desperate desire to appear smart, and he payed someone else to make it for him anyway. Rian Johnson thinks he's Benoit Blanc, but he's actually Miles.
The worst thing about both movies is how he mercilessly criticizes upper class culture while literally being a man who exclusively exists in upper class culture. It's like that meme of Steve Buscemi as a highschooler, except it's Rian Johnson going "How do you do fellow poor people? I hate the rich too, see how hip I am by criticizing them?" and all his criticisms are as vapid and one dimensional as possible because he has zero self awareness, and any real 3 dimensional criticism would inevitably lead him to realizing how he's no different than his most vapid characters.
Absolutely fantastic comment. I didn’t even realize the similarity between the two until now.
Same as "Tax the Rich" ... dress
"The biggest irony is that there is a perfect metaphor for the movie within the movie itself. The puzzle box... Rian Johnson thinks he's Benoit Blanc, but he's actually Miles. " ... This is called psychological projection, an extremely common occurrence with highly flawed individuals. Subconsciously, deep down inside, Johnson knows he's a hack. He knows he is Miles. He is attempting to project those flaws onto someone else (a character, in this case) as a self defense mechanism to avoid having to acknowledge those traits within himself.
I wouldn't be surprised if Rian Johnson was sitting around listening to Beatles songs, listened to "Glass Onion" and thought "holy shit, that's the next Knives Out, layer a lot of clues together that end up not meaning anything because the killer is really just dumb, he just seems smart, like Elon Musk!"
The entire movie itself is just one big glass onion, seemingly complex at first glance but increasingly mundane and obvious the longer and closer you look.
I have to admit IF RJ had actually done this on purpose it would be an impressive subversion, unfortunately his recent works show he lacks the intelligence to have done this on purpose just making the entire thing an epic unintentional self-troll. He just lacks the self-awareness to even notice it happening right in front of him...
I actually enjoyed the first Knives Out, this one I think had a lot of wasted potential.
Have you ever spoken to someone who you know is driving the conversation a particular direction in disregard to the natural flow of conversation? That's what the plot felt like.
well said
I agree. Frankly I think the drinker's review here is just not on point. First of all, the movie is not just a murder mystery but a comedy, and secondly, Knives Out is much, much better than this, and I'm disappointed he lumped them both together
They explained that Andi let Miles in because she was smarter/he was dumb so she thought she could handle him. Underestimated him
So smart she got herself killed. Then she wasn't very smart was she?
@@slade52 Doesn't change that she was written as the founder and smartest of the group does it? And i guess the point was that smart people can make mistakes? And when youre murdered that isnt getting yourself killed is it? its being murdered...Think a little
@@jasonkanyike3245 Andi was dumb, the whole movie was dumb.
@@moonriver7439 maybe YOU thought the character was dumb, fine. But can't deny that according to the movie she was the "smart" one. Regardless to what anybody thinks. It's like you're saying "rick Sanchez is dumb!" Despite the story portraying him as a genius. Makes no sense
@@jasonkanyike3245 a smart person would make an unrealistically dumb person the cofounder of their company? Okay. You’re one of those people that takes a movie at face value without questioning it. Which is a big reason why movies are so bad now. Also, Rick and Morty sucks.
I saw this movie as a caricature and a silly comedy and it worked for me. Each character is a caricature of many vapid, corrupt or insane celebrities and the plot is as ridiculous as each characters. I thought it was silly on purpose and I enjoyed it. I don't think they were trying to make a clever serious movie...but then again I can be totally wrong.
I agree with you, I think this wanted to be a fun movie. It made fun of the pandemic, how celebrities acted about it and told a story with simple dumb characters.
I get this, yeah. Hence the flamboyant dress, the silly "people in eyesight while eavesdropping" etc
It feels like it was trying to be a comic book in appearance, and silly/pointless in intent
Fun movie
Considering how Ruin Johnson mastrubates to "Subversion" and his own non existent high IQ, i would go for that the movie was actualy trying to be clever, but fails.
@@sajtoskifli250 I didn’t take it self too seriously. It was a fun movie. I didn’t really know how to feel at first, but it started to grow on me. It showed just how much people are willing to tolerate as long as it help them get ahead. You really felt like anyone could have been the suspect. Looking forward to the third installment in the franchise.
The scene where she points out a direct evidence to Edward Northon face in close proximity so he can burn it just by reaching it and set it on fire by lighter was the most idiotic contrive plot point imaginable so Rian can have his explosion at the end of the movie and having joy to destroy one of the most important piece of painting in human history.
A painting famous because it was stolen not because it was great. Its one of the many apt metaphors of destroying it while at the same time destroying Edward Nortons character. Definitely agree it was stupid to put the paper that close to him but not completely unreasonable to get an ego when you think you've won.
The worst thing about that was the shot framing. Andi looked like she was further away and it never establishes she was as close to Miles until he suddenly burns the napkin. The movie had terrible cinematography.
@@xavmanisdabestest Pretty sure it is famous because of who made it.
I agree. And also the fact that he drove his one of a kind car that only he has to his ex partner's house to murder her, that's dumb also
@@doomsdaybooty1072
Well, the character is dumb so imo that's a consistent point lol
I was entertained by this movie and enjoyed it! My biggest gripe is that it broke a cardinal rule of the whodunnit genre: it withheld critical information from the audience. A proper whodunnit cleverly lays every clue out before the audience so we all share in a “how did I not see that?” when the twist is revealed.
What info does it with hold?
@@zorro-tramposo2652 the biggest was the twin reveal with no hint of setup. There should be breadcrumbs to pick up on, especially on the rewatch.
@@Keverember miles was shocked to see her despite inviting her to the island. Sure it's not direct but it is a setup eitherways
Yea. I thought the twist of having twins was pretty good. Critical's point aren't too critical he has been drinking too much,.
The secret to its success is editing and pacing. You don't get time to think, nor shown enough, and then the next thing to move the plot along is filing your eyes and ears.
I think you nailed. You can caught in the riptide before you have time to think. But the ending got so dumb that I don't think any editing could hide it unless you were unwilling.
@@MrGabox345 That makes zero sense.
For God's sake don't you recognize a parody when you see one?🤣
I mean, you are right when you say that editing and pacing are the secret, but this movie does not really move at a breakneck pace and is in fact super fair when it comes to editing. You can literally spot the murderer doing things. Even in small scenes like the gunshot, there are no cuts for almost 20 seconds when the killer aims just so a dialogue you can't hear at that moment can happen, and is shown later. Yet people call it lazy or stupid.
"Not getting time to think because the movie moves along" is practically the definition of Fridge Logic.
just throw so much at you at such a pace that you don't even have time to realize how shitty and poorly written it all is lmao
just a blitzkrieg of bullshit lmao
This is a perfect fit for Rian because he truly is a Glass Onion: very fragile with layers that are exactly the same.
Know how Zack snyder just makes wallpapers for desktop and iPhones?
Know how Michael Bay just makes three-hour long music videos?
Rian Johnson makes two-hour long TikTok videos. Everything looks awesome but its all hollow and you're only supposed to think about anything for 15-seconds.
@@valentinegonsalves7322
The accuracy of that is soul crushingly true. It's sad that so many people just want entertainment and will take the stupidest crap they can get with the mere veneer of quality.
This is all Hollywood is now, all sizzle no steak.
That line is kinda beautiful
The ridiculous part was when Helen instead of keeping the evidence she found safe to submit in the court goes on to reveal the evidence among a bunch of ppl who are against her and can easily destroy the piece of evidence - that too on an island owned by the guy she’s confronting. And she’s basically being so carless when she knows the odds are against her on a private island where she and her evidence can easily go missing, when you already know Miles killed Andy. That whole sequence feels so surreal and stupid.
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Yup. And the physicality of the thing igniting and falling out of her hands and immediately burning to a crisp... what? That's ... not how fire works. Lol.
It’s a movie you twits 😂 🤦♂️
@@JazziG59 Well then its not a great Mystery movie. Doesn’t do justice to the genre it tries to masquerade.
@@revanth84 Agreed, I really don’t like Rian Johnson. I thought the first guys reply was hilarious though.
It’s also weird that Andy never mentioned to Miles that she had a twin sister in all that time they spent together.
They did know she had a twin. Birdie even said it.
Miles knows about the sister, that's why he tried to kill her.
Miles literally said at the end he knew. lol
Not to mention that Blanc solves his host's mystery right away when they are at dinner. Sounds genius but it's dumb since he is there with Helen for his own reasons. Had everybody been busy trying to solve the mystery over the weekend, they would both have had much more time and opportunity to follow their own ends. Oh well.
Oh my god you're right!! It was the only part i liked, but you're right withholdin that until the 50 minute explanation of the whole movie would have kept the tension, made Blanc look smarter, and maybe flesh out the characters, but they chose the dumb
I mean, one of the key plot points, was the news of Andi's death being reported. The news of which, could only be withheld from the media for a week, as said in the flashback. They had to solve it before the news was public, or else the rest would have figured out. Details matter.
He literally says in the movie he did it to protect the billionaire guy, which itself is a obfuscation to get closer to him and learn more about the actual mystery. You would know this if you actually watched the film. Rightoids really don't have any media literacy skills
Th movie SPRINGS the reveal on the audience that Bron is the killer. You can hear Rian chuckling with pride... He's so clever!
Motherfucker, if YOU killed ANDI and she SHOWS UP on your island WITH A FAMOUS DETECTIVE, what the FUCK took you so long to object to them being there that you shoot at them? Why not have them both escorted off the island? Why not kill Andi and try to bury her corpse and then THAT turns into the mystery game instead of whatever you had planned? That would've been a neat movie!
good point
A while back I tried to write a murder mystery based on the idea I had. I've been going back and forth between whodunit and howdhecatchem (I'm an average Columbo fan, what can I say?) but about halfway through I realized how complicated the task really is. You have to lead the reader into all sorts of red herrings that all make sense in the moment, but have a proper plot twist ready near the end. And you still have to leave breadcrumbs leading up to the reveal, to make sure the reader doesn't feel like his expectations were [subverted] for the sake of being [subverted]. I wasn't happy with the result and I don't think I ever will be I trashed the project. But when I see Rian Johnson (how's that Star Wars Trilogy going, Rian?) at work, I'm thinking maybe I could become the next motherhumping Arthur Conan Doyle.
I once watched an anime called In/Spectre, where the entire plot was about solving mysteries incorrectly. Basically, they got the clues and rearranged them to fit a completely different narrative, that made just as much sense as the actual solution. It was a very interesting take on the mystery formula that made me realize that the solution to a mystery is whatever the heck you want it to be, provided you can explain it.
It's just a shame that the twelve episodes the season had should've been condensed into four or five. They repeated themselves so much!
Columbo still holds up really really well.
I think Poirot does this very well. Probably my favorite Bri'ish production
@@DanVzare Season 2 coming up!
@@rationalityfirst Awesome! I didn't know, thanks for telling me.
For all it's faults, at least it gave us the "It's dumb!" line. I'm sure it'll make the occasional appearance in Drinker's future videos.
Also: "I expected complexity. I expected Intelligence...".
It actually doesn't have many faults at all. Drinker is a liar, has no attention to detail, and fooled you.
@@Mogul20478 Looks like Drinker struck a nerve there, huh?
@@dontshootmex5588 Shitty "journalists" that have to lie to make a point and ignore critical details should "strike a nerve". It's incompetent and lazy. If that's your thing, then more power to you.
@@dontshootmex5588 ruclips.net/video/B-5uSY1_b80/видео.html It’s more like the drinker struck himself
The scene with first only Blan watching, and then Helen AND Blanc watching from behinda tree does make chronological sense. Helen steps on a twig AFTER she ducks away to get closer. Thats when we see Blanc alone in the first time this scene is shown.
I was way more annoyed by how conviently Blanc supposed that the shooter doesn't still stand behind the mirror after Helen gets up again, saved by the bullshit-diary.
The worst thing about this movie is the idea that that napkin actually contains a business plan.
🤣🤣🤣
Quick flow diagram with a few words and BINGO! Billion pound idea! No technical data, no radical formula, no genius code, just a flow diagram! What am I doing wasting time writing this...I should be writing a flow diagram.
@@enigma7791 😂😂😂
@@enigma7791 reacting to your comment seems like a waste of time now
It's not a buisness plan but it is proof that the idea that created the buisness was her idea.
You missed one other part about the Batista watching his girlie thing. HE sent her to Miles to seduce him into giving Batista a spot on "Alpha News". The first time they make it look like it's a straight up affair. The second time, they show that she is trying to get him to agree to help her boyfriend.
Drinkers criticism is more to do with the girls being there when she wasn’t clearly there before thou.
And they can magically hear them talking through thick glass.
What I dont understand how did the Andi got a twin? Why is she working with Blanc? Miles burned the tissue in 2 seconds? Ending is the worst.
Never watched a movie before have you
@do not reported
“Flashy veneer of intelligence with nothing beneath” is the whole point of the movie. This guy is so close 6:10
Exactly lmao. It’s obvious that his contempt for Rian Johnson framed his perception of this movie before he ever saw it.
I dont think he watched it...at all
@@SeasonedRookie Fkn exactly. He severely underestimated Rian Johnson's intellect, and winds up making himself look like a brainlet in the eyes of everyone with half a dozen brain cells.
Critical Drinker?
More like Typical Sphincter!
I thought he was talking about his channel
satire is supposed to make fun of something stupid, not be the stupid thing itself. people who thought this movie was so meta and clever are the dumbest people on the planet
First of you took Jennifer Lawrence out of context, she was quoting a producer from a while back and she was not saying her opinion.
1. He interrogates him once he gets there, but he can't turn him away and act extremely stand off ish considering that would look suspicious and he's not the smartest
2. They literally poked fun at the fact he didn't burn the letter..... There's a difference between having stupid things in once film Vs having jokes and irony in once film
3. What's wrong with them playing a type? That's what they do in the film "The Menu" they all play a certain type as a fun way of telling you who they are and a bit of social commentary
4. None of them look happy after the explosion they literally all sit down looking beaten down and sad
5. They didn't know she was going to blow the place up until it was too late
6. Miles did try to check if she was dead
7. Pickpocketing is a thing..... Often when your good at pick pocketing people will not notice you doing it.....
8. A bullet being stopped by a cigarete case or book with metal in it, isn't unheard of in murder mysteries and has literally happened in real life to people
9. The chilli sauce scene was setup in the film if you payed attention you would've noticed.
10. He didn't know she had the notepad in her inside jacket pocket.
11. What makes you think he is a amateur? Also there are famous detectives
I couldn't mention everything, but I do believe I got most of it.....
You have some good criticisms, but you have to stop giving people false information and taking things out of context and have some civil way of not liking a film and not getting so personal about it.
Genuinely burst out laughing at the start of that atrocious flashback with the “my twin sister just died”
And?
@Dragonage2ftw: You’re a dork.
@complete video here this is a video about making pizza
Spoilers:
My favorite moment of the film was the 2 minute window when....
Blanc explained to Miles about why he ruined the game-mystery. I had not really been grabbed by the movie to that point, and I was having an internal struggle with whether or not I was enjoying it. I know Knives Out is full of conveniences, but it was fun and I liked it a fair bit. This one, though, actively had me questioning if I wanted to just turn it off. Anyway, this scene gave me hope that the movie would get good from here. It basically wiped the slate clean and in that moment, I could excuse how cliché and uninteresting the movie had been to that point if it was done in service of setting up a "This isn't at all what you think it is" and I genuinely got excited to see where it went. Then it just fumbled the whole rest of the way. Then the last straw was Blanc basically turning to the camera/audience and saying "This is dumb!" followed by the worst section of the movie.
I'm just disappointed and I'm very much not even interested in the next one now outside of watching Daniel Craig have fun with his character.
Completely agree. I had the same reaction to the, "I ruined your game on purpose" scene. I was like: Alright! Now we're getting somewhere!
.... only to be let down by basically everything that followed
Yes
Yeah pretty much sums up my viewing experience too, I started getting really invested after you know, the actual murder happens, and then we get the flashback and I’m still invested going into it, then it keeps going, and keeps going, and I legit didn’t expect the flashback to lead all the way back, and after all that I kinda lost investment, and the finale kinda just confused me, I thought destroying all the glass was going somewhere but nah, it’s just to destroy more things. Also the fact that they put so much focus on the door for the Mona Lisa for no reason kinda disappointed me.
@@captainnomekop5056 Everything in that house was Klear, except for the Mona Lisa's protection. Miles even spoke of it earlier, that Klear wasn't just powering everything on the island, everything on the island was Klear. I'm still surprised that Miles simply didn't off everyone at the end, as he had nothing left to lose and had already shown a penchant for murder.
Yes! This comment says exactly what I was thinking but couldn't articulate. The first KO movie was funny and enjoyable despite the very unrealistic 3d-chesslike logic Blanc unravels at the end. The absurdity of the 'rich-asshole' characters was entertaining. But this movie, the rich-assholes took over the movie like toddlers at a birthday party. It left me hoping for more dialogue and deduction/reasoning from Blanc of which there was very little.
I just couldn't after the scene where Helen and Blanc decide that if someone killed Andi then they must have taken the envelope back to Miles as proof or a trophy to prove their loyalty to him. That reasoning doesn't hold up at all when it turns out Miles was the killer. Blanc also states that the killer would have stashed the envelope in their room because it was too large to keep on one's person. He, the world's greatest detective, never even considers that they could have destroyed the evidence as you said, or they they could have taken the napkin (which is very easy to conceal in a pocket) out of the envelope. If the killer wasn't Miles then there is little chance it would even be in their room because everyone had an adequate chance to pass the envelope off to Miles before Andi searched the rooms. Finally, Blanc and Helen hear the conversation between Miles and the gold bikini girl 10-15 meters away through solid glass. Movie was just dumb
Oh hush!
You’re currently excited for the next product.
“Hate watching”, doesn’t exist. It is ppl who cannot help but spend the money on more junk.
Its the closest thing to a well written film we'll get from Hollywood these days, a facade of complex and quality writing. And for a film all about the facade of complexity hiding the obvious truth of idiocy, its quite ironic.
Yup movie is just dumb. I tapped out the moment Dave Butista died and Miles said he grabbed the wrong drink then it shows the fake flashback. I legit said that didn’t happen, he handed him the drink, rewound to the scene and saw yup he handed Dave the poisoned drink. Immediately ruined the entire movie
Yeah I kind of like the goofy tone of the movie, until it got in the way of the mystery.They just kept ridiculous over and over. It could've been like the board game clue but modern. But they fkd it up.
Blanc's reasoning why Miles couldn't be the killer was also extremely stupid. None of what he said made sense.
Why wouldn't miles kill her shortly after a court case he won? He would seemingly have no motive and Andi had just lost half of a billion dollar company. What better time to make it look like she killed herself?
I love how when Drinker mentions Sherlock he shows the Basil Rathbone rendition.
6:36 ‘Wouldn’t Helen’s presence here with the world’s most famous detective be a very obvious red flag he was already compromised?’ EXACTLY. No one would be so dumb they’d look past that one
WHY WOULD AHYONE SUSPECT ITS HELEN?!
Helen hadn’t even met them before. They prolly didn’t know she was a twin let alone as willing to go thru all that trouble to investigate them!
@@iansmart4158 Helen is short hand the video uses for Helen or Andi. Whoever Miles thinks she is, the unexpected arrivals of both her and Blanc should be a giant red flag, especially to a man who’d attempted murder just days before. He should be able to suss the possibility they’re working together
That was the whole point. For the killer to be fucused on Blanc instead of Hellen.
People with massive brain damage keep thinking this is a real and sane situation yes. Normal people like us keep wondering why Rian Johnson keeps getting jobs in the film industry.
@@PredatorH2O That "point" seems more like a complete oversight rather than an actual reason.
Lesson: Before you put characters in a bind or allow significant events to happen, always acknowledge the larger ramifications of said event, and a believable way to get your character out.
You can forgive some of the sins of _Glass Onion_ if there were a mystery here. But the Drinker nails the core problem in that there’s nothing given to viewers that allows them to ponder an actual mystery. In watching this with my wife and son, there was none of the banter between us as we tried to guess whodunit. That was telling.
The point of the film isn't the murder mystery. It's called "Glass Onion" for a reason. You have to peel the layers of an onion to see its core. You can see straight to the core of a glass onion. It's an allegory for how we view high society in contrast with what they actually are (which is explicit in the film). We allow ourselves to be blinded by their layers of "sophistication" and wealth when we can literally look right past that and see the truth.
@@soggmeisterlasagnagarfield The title of the film is "Glass Onion: A Knives Out Mystery." Mystery is literally in the title, not to mention that they put it in the "mystery/crime" genre, marketed it as a murder mystery, and it is a direct sequel to an Agatha Christie-inspired murder mystery film and features the same detective character. This movie does not get to have a terribly-written bullshit mystery plot and then excuse it with the defense that it's not actually a mystery movie.
@@MissCookieThief The Title is like an oxymoron. I know it's a terrible movie murder mystery, but that's not the point. The moral of the story is timeless and is especially relevant right now (also explicit in the film). Yes, it's bad and seemingly halfassed, but the plot isn't the purpose.
If you still think it's supposed to be a murder mystery, you just allowed yourself to be trolled by Rian Johnson
It's a sequel to a "murder mystery" where the obvious red herring turned out to actually be the killer. What were you expecting?
@Soggmeister The only one trolled here is you if you think that a man who was handed 100's of millions of dollars to hire a dozen millionaires from Hollywood to preach about the flaws of idolizing "high society" is timeless and meaningful commentary.
I like how roughly 2/3 of the way through the video it devolves into “what if the world was made of pudding”
Kinda like the 4/4 of the actual film...
@@jimsmith4548 and you have 0/5 chance to understand a film that is not that complex....
This is essentially like asking "well what if bail organa never adopted leia" all of starwars falls apart, it must be awful writing because if we take out a major plot point the story doesn't work anymore. Or "what if Ben hadn't saved Luke from the sand people"
@@ewansadler5406Nope. These are questions regarding the characters doing anything sensible instead of the things they actually do in the story. What you’re describing are inciting incidents that happened as backstory.
@@auroraSLAP but the characters are shown to be less than sensible, so is it not even less sensible to assume they would act in a sensible manor? Is your complaint not like asking "well why didn't the introverted character not want to ask the love interest out I'm an extrovert and I'd happily do it"
How could they be friends for all that time and none of them know she had an identical twin sister?
Because they didn't give a shit about her and were morons?
There's another good question.
They did know, just know she was dead for the twin to need to step in
...they did...they just didn't know one was dead...try to keep up...
@@xavmanisdabestest but what about Norton's character? He surely would've know that Andi was most likely dead AND she has a twin sister
Ironic how the film mirrors Miles in the sense that it’s portrayed as nuanced, intelligent and classy just to be revealed as dumb
That’s literally the point. The movie is supposed to be ridiculous. It’s making fun of itself
@@kickapoo242 Nah it's still dumb. You know, not all jokes are funny
@@kickapoo242 right?! It's not hard to realize this lol. Everyone's a friggin critic these days lol
@@The_Breaded92 This film is pretty easy to criticize.
@@kickapoo242 "Haha I was only pretending to be dumb" is not a valid position to hold.
"You am defeated me Benoit Blanc, you truly are the Glass Onion"
-Miles' last words.
And then he Onioned all over the place. Truly one of the films of this year.
@@DS-mi9ru I loved it when miles said "its Onion' time" right before he Glassed Duke.
I keep thinking of Chris Benoit and expecting a suplex.
The blond chic defnitly Boinked
Ryan Johnson for this roll
Critical! I saw you mentioned Aberdeen and on the tiny chance you read this please reply cos I live in Aberdeen and I barely get to see anyone even mention them.
5:58 "On the surface it seems like this complex, multi-layered, mystery plot that gives up a little more information as each layer is unraveled, but the truth is that it's nothing but the flashy veneer of intelligence with nothing lying beneath."
Lol, is this satire? You do know the name of the movie right?
Omg finally a take I agree with on this movie. It was mind numbing hearing people praise this movie. "It's stupid on purpose! Genius!"
It is pretty clever tho - something appears deep - but it’s so transparent you know what’s gonna happen from the beginning (Glass Onion metaphor) just wish they didn’t spell out the metaphor for everyone
@@firstlast9846 it’s clever because it’s bad!
On purpose!
@@firstlast9846 so basically Rian Johnson can’t do anything unless he’s screwing it up on purpose. Yep. That’s a genius.
I have this take, come see ... had it before anyone
I enjoyed it until it was revealed the woman had a twin sister, then I immediately knew it was going to go off the rails into pure stupidity.
Bro, when they revealed that I just skipped straight to the end. Absolutely ridiculous.
Not me. For the first half i thought "they antman 2-ed the detective. Because he was acting SO MUCH DUMBER THAN THE FIRST MOVIE. Then they revealed that he was smart, just incompetent without the black woman doing everything for him.
The problem with that twist was its functionally deus ex machina. There was no way for the audience to have known that, and it was completely inconsistent with the facts presented so far (the inventor guy would have immediately known it was the twin, having personally killed his old partner, and strongly suspected she was the one that brought the detective. But actually he greeted her and treated her like the murdered twin, and didn’t immediately kick out the detective).
@@KingEgyptianno you didn’t dont lie for likes
Same. I was watching and when Batista was murdered, I thought, wow, how much time is left? When I saw it was half way through and there was still another hour left, I knew it wasn't going to be good. The twin sister flashback back story stuff was too much.
It lives up to its name - you don't need to peel away the layers because you can already see what is underneath it all.
Or smell what’s underneath.
I dissagree with you on this one. You blow up minor plot issues way too much. I agree that the caracters needed more depth and the setup is somewhat held together with shoestrings. But for me those issues don't detract from the overall experience too much. The glass swap was very poorly thought out was pretty much the only thing i would call entriely wrong. Similar to the first movie whe get an recontextualisation after about half and i think it was done very well without giving too much away.
It is by no means a perfect film but if you can overlook some issues and plot convencience then it is a pretty good watch.
0:01 "A person is smart but people are dumb dangerous animals and you know it." - Agent K from Men in Black
You don't know how much I adore that line.
"Boys cannot identify with a female lead"
Samus Aran: "I'm sorry, what?"
Lara Croft, Commander Shepard (Sometimes), Ellen Ripley, Sarah Connor would be on the list but I don't really relate to somebody who is that determined lol
Street Fighter female characters (notably Chun-Li), Jill Valentine, Claire Redfield, Rebecca Chambers.
Male writers who wrote countless amazing female leads: "are we a joke to you?"
What does "identify with" even have to do with entertainment? Usually you are supposed to empathize with the main character, but you can do that regardless of their gender or ethnicity. I can't identify with any characters in The Wire, none of them represent my life experience, but I can empathize with them. I can understand their motivations and life circumstances that lead to their decisions.
Realistically, I can not identify with most leads. Sam Tarly would be the character I identify most with in GOT. Definitely not John Snow.
It’s almost like it was written by the same guy who wrote a scene in which a defensible position was said to have only a single way in or out. Then, in the very next scene had about 15 doors open in the side of said defensible position. 🤔 only to later find out that there was yet another ‘secret’ way out. Such brilliant writing.
@complete video here Troll bait.
I must have blocked this in my memory, was it TLJ?
@@Wahba. yea. It was the place where Luke made his last stand. If you can call it that.
Or a guy who put a character literally allergic to lying in a mystery film.
Or bases a childish internet troll-type character on people who criticised his undeniably terrible movie, even though most of the criticism of said movie was legitimate criticism that he vilified as “toxic fans, trolls and man-babies”.
I had fun with this film. I didn't see it as some intricate whodunnit because the moment the twin sister showed up that went out the window but I thought the characters were funny and interesting I thought the dialog was snappy and I had a good time.
How dare you be entertained by entertainment! Every film must be complex and require hours of pouring over with a magnifying glass and fine-toothed comb. Every...single...film!
Identical twins are historically a staple of the whodunit genre. If it was good enough for Agatha Christie then it's good enough for this movie.
@@Carabas72 Thank you!
@@Carabas72 and its not like the movie had it as an ex machina. The sister was an integral part of the plot, doing things with agency. A copout is only a copout if its not built on
@@g4mm47
And there is even a big hint that she's not Andi before the reveil when Blanc literally calls her Helen.
I had a feeling the first one was a fluke that did well because of its fantastic cast, but that was brilliant compared to this one tbh.
true!
I honestly thought it was meant as a subtle parody of murder movies... and as such I did enjoy it.
This movie shits in the face of everything Drinker believes + it has been directed by the man guilty of directing a movie of a franchise who has been shit since the 80s, no surprises Drinker despised it with all his strenght
@@carlbig3118 Yeah, it can't be the metric fuck ton of flaws that make it bad.
Not really. Rain Johnson loves mystery as a genre. The general scornful tone of the movie is just his usual stamp.
@@Garret_bruh_homey the problem with that is it doesn’t say that it’s a satire, they literally call it a mystery and it film plays itself pretty straight till halfway through.
@@justsomelizardwithatophat.367 ?
DRINKER, as much as I love your channel, your bias toward Rian Johnson is showing. I don’t even have the energy to point out everything you got wrong here but I’ll start and finish by pointing out that they didn’t rewrite history with the hiding behind the bushes scene. You just weren’t watching close enough. Watch again and pay attention this time and you’ll suddenly realize that she was always there. Hence, the sound of her stepping on a twig when they show it the first time. You got so many things wrong in this video and I wish I could point out each thing but I just do not have the time. I really think your hate for Rian has blinded you to very obvious plot elements. And I hated The Last Jedi too but damn…. It’s been almost 6 damn years, bro. Time to move on.
🎯💯 he’s criticized the gun getting taking when we see bro be a irresponsible gun owner. He has it on full display all the time, easily accessible, shoots it dangerously for no reason/fun, and drinks while he has it. Yeah I believe someone that irresponsible could get his gun taken especially in a situation like that.
But Rian Johnson himself certainly isn’t hiding his own affection towards having nonsensical expectation subversions for no other reason but shock value, so what’s the problem with pointing that out?
I was pretty much entertained by the breezy charm of the cast. But I get the feeling that when Johnson signed that $400 million Netflix deal he was like: "Shit, I better write something fast!"
And now he's got a write another Knives Out movie, but this time with the... Muppets?!
At least Glass Onion makes more sense than Bird Box or Tall Girl
What's funny is TCD insuiating he was stupid. ANYONE will sign a $400 million dollar deal to make two movies.
It was fun when you subvert your expectations. The cut off in the middle when we find out Helen is her sister really did ruin my fun at that point I was just like “right ok hurry up I’m bored now” but up until that point I had faith then lost it all.
If you had faith up until that point, then you deserved to be subverted shittily like that. You could tell within the first 5-10 mins it was going to be trash. Hopefully from here on in you'll be able to tell and save yourself some time lol
The amount of rave reviews just indicates how many people have never read a good muder mystery in their life. Yes, I am talking about books.
All things aside, how the fuck do you not know that the woman you killed has a twin sister?
HOW?
The movie makes it so Andi and Bron worked side by side on the Klear project. Okay, maybe he's that ignorant that he wouldn't care enough to know about Andi's family. But...he went to her house to kill her. Were there no pictures? Does Bron not have social media? Wouldn't you keep track of all your employees?
This story is set in a world where "Men's Rights Advocates" are RUclipsrs. But corporations like Alpha don't keep track of employees' social media? Even though Bron is supposed to be this rich, smug control-freak asshole?
Oh, its just inconvenient for Rian's story, oh, that's why!
@@valentinegonsalves7322"set in a world where men's rights advocates are RUclipsrs" considering those actually exist in the real world you might want to choose a different example (but yes I noticed that too, how does he not know she has a twin sister?)
@@valentinegonsalves7322can you name a couple good murder mystery films since you dont like this one too much
Same. I just lost interest and shut it off witn 30 mins left on the film.
I think absurd plot conveniences work when the world is setup as a heightened reality and you want to see a ridiculous outcome. It didn't seem like it wanted to be taken seriously, so I just enjoyed watching talented actors in silly clothes act as caricatures. And the first movie used a lot of alternate perspective/unreliable narrator stuff in flashbacks so when we see a scene multiple times with different details I just accepted different characters saw or knew different things.
That said, I do not defend The Last Jedi. Maybe it's ironic, but I want the space ships and lasers to be taken more seriously than a whodunit featuring a guy named Benoit Blanc.
Same. I took this film with a massive grain of salt, and for me it was 'fine' as a throw-away flick to pass the time (full disclosure: the 3 glasses of pinot gris did not hurt in this regard :D ).
And the accent Daniel Craig is using is so over-the-top, I just can't take this shit seriously. Foghorn Leghorn indeed!
So yes, I agree with the Drinker that if anyone thinks this is a masterpiece....well, they may not have another 'think' coming, but they probably should. And I will never forgive absolute narcissist Rian for what he did to SW. Him, KK and JJ can burn in hell.
Yeah these films definitely aren't meant to be taken seriously, its parody. I thought the original did it better however, although I still enjoyed Glass Onion for what it is.
how dare you express a nuanced opinion about media on the internet. Don't you know that everything has to be flawless or pure garbage all the time?
I mean, the bullet conveniently hitting the book has to be bad writing, because she was expecting to get shot right? It's not like it's a narrative trope utilized in media on a regular basis.
In all seriousness. I'm with you. absurd plots and vapid characters are fine when the story is meant to be fun and light. Nobody was making the Titanic here, we can afford some levity and leeway to make room for a story.
Right. All these people usually complain about movies not allowed to be just fun anymore complaining about a movie that's just trying to be fun. Not every movie needs to be a deep character study. These are meant to be caricatures
10:38 the first shot of blanc hiding behind the tree he is there alone because Andi has already moved away, stepping on a twig causing it to snap and Duke to turn around, she isn't there, the shot after is moments before the first time we see that scene
I laughed way too hard at the listing of all the crimes the characters would go to jail for. Thank you Drinker
They should add a mid-credits scene where Rian Johnson gets arrested
Rian is the kind of guy who thinks he’s so much cleverer than everyone else, yet is bottom of the class on every test.
Weirdly enough, that sounds just like someone from this film. I guess you write what you know
His whole thing is "if you don't get it, it's because I'm too smart for you", ignoring that no one gets it because it makes no f##king sense
maybe this movie was introspective??
Found another guy who has a grudge on RJ for whatever reason!
Why do I get the feeling that the reason Blanc keeps insulting Clue in this movie is because Rian Johnson always lost at it?
"Mom, can I have Agatha Christie?"
"We have Agatha Christie at home."
Agatha Christie at home:
I wholeheartedly agree. It baffles me that so many RUclipsrs are writing video essays praising this film for dismantling and re-writing the genre when it's clearly just an extremely poorly made garbage fest. Excellent analysis
Edit: I'd just like to add that it is also a very, very boring film. Not only does the 'meta-analysis' of the film's themes and meaning fall as underwhelming, it is also exceedingly BORING. I actually really liked the first one that was made but this was awful. Don't listen to the RUclips film essayists.
Answer is always the same: MONEY.
And even Chris Stuckmann of all people seems to love Glass Onion. Sad.
Most people including me fell for the facade the movie itself literally spells out: its about layers of complexity hiding the obviously visible truth of idiocy. The whole script is obviously stupid if you take the time to actually look at it, but its facade of complexity hides it.
I still enjoyed the film, and will likely watch it again because its the closest thing I'll have to a competently written Hollywood movie- a facade of one.
I’m sick of the whole “deconstructionist” angle in all types of fiction, be it horror (Scream), superheroes (The Boys, Brightburn), sci-fi(Nu Trek), or this. The creator is basically saying “I has no meaningful contribution to the thing so I’m gonna break the thing down to show how I has a genius”.
Ironically this film also fits the metaphor of the glass onion, appearing complex but in truth being painfully transparent
Surely a glass onion would be the opposite of that? Appearing transparent but actually having multiple hard to see layers.
that's literally the point of the movie
That's not irony if it's on purpose
@@yewtewbstew547 I love your rendition of the idea! Like if the movie was generally the same until the midpoint twist, only to be revealed later that actually Miles and Andi's sister were working together to solve real Andi's murder, and Blanc was kept in the dark to keep him as objective as possible. Basically a real mystery after the viewer considered the fake main mystery solved, just like Knives out.
@@yewtewbstew547 Sorry, but how will the layers be hard to see if the whole onion is transparent? I think you mean difficult to distinguish one layer from another, but the layers are transparent all the way to the visible core.
5:54 I don't think I've ever seen someone arrive at the point and completely miss it like this. Maybe it's time to let go of your vendetta over a movie that came out 6 years ago.
Out of all the points he makes, that one is actually accurate lol
It's when he then starts to talk about it using the tropes of the genre, but in a different way, as part of his "this isn't subversion" spiel that gets me
I don't think the movie was poorly written, was just poorly directed. The script and characters are best suited for a satire or a spoof, but the director tried make it look like a serious movie.
I watched it with a group of people that saw it already and liked it so much they wanted me to watch it. At the time I didn't "hate" it but every time I brought up things like "why would he allow an invited guest in to an exclusive invitation only party?" or "how did it not bother Miles that the chick he killed just showed up?" they kind of dismissed me as the party pooper 😆.
uhmm that's coz he is really dumb like fr coz when Blanc tells everyone that it's the twin on island he is shocked
Critical thinking isn't allowed.
It did bother miles, why do you think he shot her and showed that reaction when he first saw her, for the first question I assume you meant uninvited as you are obviously referring to Blanc, Tell me would you make the world famous detective, leave the private island, when you are planning a mystery game? Also miles is stupid and a billionaire and it would be somewhat mean if he were to send him back after coming such a long way to there.
I haven't seen the movie, but from what was said in this video I'd give Miles the small benefit of the doubt about letting Blanc & Living Dead Girl stay; he may have thought that the others, who he had to bribe and coerce into supporting him, may have been working against him with the two uninvited guests. Maybe he's arrogant enough to think that having them on *his* island means he can control the situation and handle it himself. Keep your enemies closer, kind of thing.
I'm thinking this is a fun movie to drunk watch but isn't a whodunit masterpiece by any stretch, just like Knives Out. I enjoyed that one due to the performances by the talented cast but yeah the plot was pretty darn thin. Good thing I watched it while drinking!
1: Blanc came all the way to HIS island for a mystery, imagine Sherlock Holmes showed up to your house to try and deduce some whodunit game you decided to run? You'd be hyped out of your mind!
2: Andy really could have survived the sleeping pills in hot car by a number of medical marvels or just being rescued, he had no way to know her sister would disguise as her so he assumed "oh crap, my murder failed, now she's here, what now?"
I love how then they showed Benoit and Helen's list of suspects, they left off Whiskey and Peg. Worlds greatest detective decides not to investigate two people at the scene of a crime simply because they aren't main characters. Brilliant.
Did you even watch the movie? They investigated the people who got sent the email.
@@jenniferariesta6464 these ppl just wanna hate. Any thinking person would be able to put 2 and 2 together about what some “plot holes” were.
Hell, even the Drinkers remark about Blanc’s swim west is silly. Blanc is a famous rich detective. Of course he dresses like a famous to person and not like an every day person.
Like obvious stuff…
Huh Whiskey and Peg had zero motive to commit the murders? Why would they waste energy investigating them?
Don't forget the guy freeloading at the billionaire's mansion for some reason. We never find out who he is, how he knows the guy, why he's there, or anything else about him. He also seems incredibly blase about the mansion blowing up. And yet he's never considered a suspect, or even looked into at all.
It's because Blanc read the script, wow what a way to have characters save time....ugh, that level of writing is just painful.
I took the movie as a satire and just viewed it as a deliberate send-up of tired whodunnit tropes and found it reasonably entertaining. The foiled “murder mystery” in the beginning was a cute idea. So, I enjoyed it by considering the source and then not expecting much from it.
I don't understand why people watch movies they expect to be bad, and then say that because it was as bad as they thought, it wasn't so bad. Like, it's good to have realistic expectations, but if you think a restaurant's food is going to taste like ass, why not just eat somewhere else?
@@BWMagus Same reason why people eat fast food. Is it healthy/good compared to michelin-star meals? Nope. Do you need to be invested enough? Nope.
But it's convenient and sufficiently entertaining enough.
@@accountantthe3394 Yeah but fast food is at least fast and cheap. A movie is always an hour and a half of your life you can't get back so that comparison does not really work. If everyone could eat Michelin star quality food they probably would but no one needs to watch shitty movies especially when they know how terrible and stupid it is compared to something else. If all you want is to be mindlessly entertained you could probably watch almost anything but even kid's shows have plots that make sense. Things have to be judged according to the standard of what they are trying to be not what they actually become.
@@arandy123 but dude... No. Some people actually enjoy fast food for what it is. This movie isn't a masterpiece and I do know what good films are but it's more fun to watch than inception. My family appreciates good cinema but we're more likely to watch fun than well crafted, deep and intelligently presented movies because at the end of the day, some people want to be more entertained than compelled
@@arandy123 damn, could you be more pretentious and elitist? What is wrong with people having different opinions, expectations and experiences with any given type of entertainment? And more, who are you exactly to tell how people should judge what they find entertaining or not?
I swear, you anti-wokes are getting more annoying than the wokes themselves, and that is saying something!
With the criticisms you had here, I’d be curious what you think of Kingsmen, the first movie. If he takes every movie this serious, he would definitely tear Kingsmen to shreds. This was definitely a comedy/mystery/suspense film but I think Drinker missed the comedy part. It is very obvious from the style of the movie that it is not meant to be taken seriously.
These were by far the most superficial characters I have seen in any movie in a long time. You didn’t even need to hear any dialogue. Just seeing them for the first time gave you all there is to know about them. It’s insane how there was literally nothing beneath their shallow caricature.
that was the point. they were all superficial morons trying to pretend to be deep.
That's the entire point...the characters exist as exaggerations
@@adeadpoet4221 I guess Roundhead did his job then.
thats the whole point of the movie "GLASS ONION" many layers of nothing for something thats portrayed as dense n they exist in todays time hence them being used for the 2020 time era
i got the vibe just from the still image of the entire cast together, that i didn't think i'd like any of them just off that first visual impression lmao.
Batista the most i just an not a fan of big dudes in skin tight clothing especially lol it just looks uncomfortable as hell.
He writes people like this because these are the kind of people he works with and has in his social circles.
And because he has no imagination.
And because they're in such a bubble they probably truly have no idea 99% of humanity would find these people disgusting and plastic characters.
Turned this movie off after 5 mins. Completely agree, the dialogue was written through the lens of a moron. I'd rather pass a kidney stone than sit through this or Don't Look Up.
@@CaptinPain1 right, just cannot understand why so many eat movies like this up. I think they that THEY think they will look foolish if they don't pretend to like it... cuz the mass formation says they should.. weird days.
They're all internet stereotypes because social media is his gateway to the rest of the world.
I'll say this for Johnson: He has a certain style and can put together a great ensemble (who knows why). If he hired a far superior mystery writer to create the script (let Johnson create the characters if he must), he might really make something to stand the test of time. But he won't do that -- how would he inject "the message" and "subvert expectations" if he used a script written by someone talented in that art form?
My thoughts exactly- I would 100% be on board for a Benoit Blanc franchise with Rian at the helm as long as he stays the fuck out of the writing room. He can have as much stupid fun with the characters as he wants, as long as someone else does the mystery and the plot itself. I don't care how "shameful" it is for "someone else to do it for you" like he implied with the puzzle box and fake murder mystery in this movie, you've also already confessed to being an obnoxious unoriginal idiot with this movie, so embrace it and move on.
So many good directors can't write: Rian Johnson, Zack Snyder, Neill Blomkamp
@@kellymoses8566 part of being a good director is knowing your weaknesses. They are not good directors because they refuse to learn and are arrogant
@@kellymoses8566 Throw Taika Waititi onto that list. You want to know the difference between the amazing Thor: Ragnarök and the underwhelming mess of Thor: Love and Thunder? Taika was only the director for Ragnarök, but the director and writer of Love and Thunder.
I genuinely enjoyed Knives out. The over the top caricatures of the character archetypes were played by fantastic actors talented enough to suspend my disbelief and allow me to enjoy myself. It paired well with the coincidental almost farcical events of the film. It was also visually set in a really cool house that, like the characters, was over the top and a caricature of a murder mystery mansion. It helped that the main character Marta is Gorgeous. Taken together, I found it a relaxing and enjoyable movie with enough humor to balance out the seriousness of the murder and the silliness of the series of events. It was like the game of clue, set within an RPG like dungeons and dragons. Each character had a very specific role they embodied and contributed accordingly, but the grand design and end game was mapped out and inevitable before the game even started. Some woke innuendos laced in the movie aside, I have no complaints for what it was and genuinely enjoyed the movie.
However, glass onion was a godawful dumpster fire and I found it difficult to even finish. It took a similar formula and butchered it imo. It was just too “extra” on all of the above ingredients, which ironically I feel made the first movie actually work. It didn’t help that glass onion didnt choose to use a dash of wokeness in its recipe, it went balls to the wall, which was so blatant it ruined any suspicion of disbelief I could muster. Rian ruined Star Wars, and now ironically imo ruined a potentially decent murder mystery series of his own making.
Makes me wonder if Rian Johnson even wrote the screenplay for knives out. I almost think someone ghost wrote it for him and in this sequel Rian just copied the ghost writers formula and failed miserably at it cause he has no talent besides being a decent director behind the camera.
I have a love hate relationship with Rian Johnson's work. It seems that literally half of his projects are amazing, and the other half are all extremely flawed (but I usually get some enjoyment out of). I find it fascinating how a director can be so shit so much of the time, yet I find myself still excited for new projects by him. Rian Johnson is the Russian Roulette of modern Hollywood. This is also why I personally feel that Knives Out 3 is going to be good.
also, "woke innuendos" is an oxymoron. For something to be woke, it has to beat you over the head with it's progressive messaging. By the definition I am using, something cannot be both subtle with it's themes, and also woke.
@@GoallpeashootersI agree, even Looper (besides Brick which I haven’t seen yet) is acclaimed as his best work, and despite on paper and in presentation the film having elements I love, the ending, it’s plot holes and the direction of the story didn’t appeal to me. Even scientifically and conceptually the guy is very adamant and rejects advice from test screenings (a prominent critic I follow on letterboxd and even Shane Carruth who directed Primer made alterations/suggestions to the script which Johnson largely ignored) which is fine if it’s a studio but if it’s constructive and in good faith it’s worth considering.
I agree with your comments on “wokeness” here too, as a indecisive centrist who leans left over certain issues, I found that the politics of the Knives Out 1 resonated with me. Only Glass Onion I would describe as “woke” but if you accept the satirical characterization and the exaggerated nonsensical nature of the sequel I guess it could be partially interpreted as critical or signifying the ridiculousness of the “woke” elements while criticizing the products of the affluent echelons of capitalist society. That said I could ignore all of this because it was still fun, but even visually it was a downgrade, with little artistic merit and a made-for-streaming look to it like I’ve not seen from any of his other films.
'It was all so stupid. You thought it was a game or a clever ploy, but no. It was just stupid!'
- Glass Onion reviewing itself
Yeah , I love people picking the exact statement the movie makes, as a total "gotcha!" moment.
@@shinkaibara1025hat statement was supposed to be impressive I’m certain, but it sure de-fuses the puerile political statement to admit it’s in a stupid story…
@@bloodrunsclear It depends: dumb means also unpredictable, with a certain degree of randomness. A perfectly crafted plan can be, paradoxically, easier to predict, because you expect every action taken to have a purpose for maximum benefit and efficiency. Sometimes, very often in fact, people fumble and do things on the spur of the moment. For someone as logical as Blanc, it's more difficult to figure out. That's why the movie allows itself to be so transparent and have Helen, who is no sleuth , blurt out the culprit's name and motive, only to have Blanc say that it'd be unbecoming of someone obviously so clever as a multimillionaire genius, to do something like that. That's something a lot of wuddunits do, actually, have the most likely culprit instantly exposed , only to have something else (by their clever machination or else) divert the attention to other people.
@@shinkaibara1025 So...it's dumb
I feel like we did not watch the same movie
it was complete idiocy, I'm surprised he didn't criticize it more.
@@mykhailohohol8708 I'd have liked it if he had actual criticism in stead of him pulling stuff out of his rear end for 11 minutes straight.
He did it was shit he just didn’t elaborate his points sadly.
@@justsomelizardwithatophat.367 hard to elaborate shitty criticism and moot points.
@@War_Maker they aren’t especially when they significantly effect the plot like miles after seeing a person he killed with the worlds greatest detective and not politely tell blanc to leave. He being stupid isn’t an excuse.
I actually really liked Knives Out, and I almost can't believe that this was made by the same person. It seemed like a very stupid person tried to do Knives Out and failed every major plot point/revelation. Even my dad thought it was rubbish, and he has a very high tolerance for Hollywood rubbish.
Considering Rian's history, I ended up thinking that Knives Out was a fluke, and he just tried to reapply the same recipe for Glass Onion. To the point of trying to stick with silly details, like Blanc being obsessed with donuts in Knives, and with onions in... Onion. Kind of like a student copying an article from wikipedia, but replacing some words with synonyms to make it appear original.
I just didnt get Knives Out. Expecting a really tight well written murder mystery but it wasn't. The nurse is trying to get away with it, and even in the best case scenario she's still guilty of manslaughter so I had real trouble routing for her.
Plus it's a murder mystery where the "killer" cant lie without throwing up...
I think it was just over complicated. Would have actually been more fun to have the sister reveal in the beginning (like first few scenes like in knives out you know the rough basis before most of the actual drama) , then let tension build as we watch Helen try to pretend to her sister.
@@Cynry Hollywood told him he was a genius, and it went to his head.
I have my issues with Knives Out, but it did work as a murder mystery.
As soon as they brilliantly opened that magic box, I knew that this was a popcorn rollercoaster show and not detective stuff.
Rian certainly is an expert at working his own Johnson.
After Ed Norton burned the napkin I predicted to the people with whom I was watching it, "The final twist will be that a part of the Mona Lisa's security system includes a video recording every time it's triggered, so that'll be the evidence they need. Look how throughout the movie it keeps cutting to her whenever the security is triggered and how it lingers on her eyes. Ed Norton even talked about how she's looking back at you. Moreover, he even said that he didn't read the information about the security system that came with it, so that would underscore Daniel Craig's point that he's an egotistical idiot." I guess I'd forgotten how stupid the movie was so far. It was wrong of me to assume that what they'd been setting up the entire movie would pay off in the end (or that they were even aware of what they were doing).
yeah, that was my guess too. I thought his crime would be caught by Mona Lisa, and that's what puts him in the same sentence as it.
That would have actually been a decent twist. Rian should hire you.
@@SparkY0 ....nnnno it wasn't. You didn't watch the movie.
It's dumber than had OP predicted, but it does involve him being targeted by governmental agencies in relation to the Mona Lisa's protection.
That honestly would’ve been a better ending. I get it Rian you like subverting expectations but sometimes you just want to see a criminal arrested instead of whatever that was.
That wouldn’t have worked unless you had someone to find the footage and leak it successfully. Even if someone found it when Miles returned the Mona Lisa, he is still powerful enough to respond and never have it released (because he’s obviously gonna be asked questions about it before it leaks or is used as evidence). I feel the ending we got was literally the only way it could’ve ended. Sometimes there really isn’t much more to do, and Helen’s breakdown is pretty entertaining to watch too.
It was a great parody of the detective genre. The main detective goes in with full expectations of a deep plot and actively calls out each plot hole and failings and gets exasperated by the end by its stupidity. Which I kind of respect. He hates his own movie 😂
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So bad it’s good
As I was watching this review I was thinking "Did Critical Drinker miss that this is a parody of some sort?" And I haven't even seen the movie. It seems even just from the shots I saw here in this review that it was nodding at the audience the entire time... Especially with the explosion. And where that one shot was retconned to have the other character in it. It was obviously shot to be humorous.
I'm curious to see it honestly. Ryan may have made a crap Star Wars movie, but I'm not going to preemptively judge his other movies.
@@inthefade exactly!! I think the drinker was just taking it hyper seriously for the "character" of his RUclips show he plays
@@inthefade Agreed. It is a comedy, after all.
"Don't you get it? It's Glass Onion! So obvious..."
-Stupid person
“The movie doesn’t say everything to my face and I need to actually pay attention, so it’s stupid!”
-Deus Ex Machina, the actual stupid person
I think the biggest mystery of this whole thing is how Rian Johnson keeps getting work
Nepotism and good connections, probably
You'd know the answer to your question if you'd know good filmmaking!!
Because his movies make money and are well received regardless of online Scottish critics lol
It's a special Tribe, and you're not in it. That's how. Same reason Kathleen Kennedy is untouchable, Susan Wojezki remains RUclips CEO, etc.
"...how Rian Johnson keeps getting work" I'm guessing because people that don't take themselves too seriously. (I include you and the Drinker) keep going to see his stuff. He's a commodity. And investors will get him to tell as many stories as possible,
Dietrich Bonhoeffer said it best: you can't convince a stupid person of the truth the same way you can with a someone who is just uninformed. In the case of the latter, you can use logic and reasoning to show them the faults of their beliefs and teach them the truth. A stupid person will always hold fast to their opinion even if its illogical and ridiculous, and even if you try to convince them of the truth. The reason is, simply, they are stupid.
Great video, Drinker
That's a very good explanation as to why you can't convince Trump hating numb skulls that the January 6th committee and investigation are complete frauds and political theater