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The worst part is that this was amazing after the disaster that was Simcity 2013. We took basically anything we could at that point and this was the peak of citybuilding at the time.
That's a big reason why CS2's launch had such terrible reception. Since CS1 we've had a plethora of great town/city builders and so expectations were much higher this time around for CS2
@@silenthunder52 Problem is twofold for CS2 I think. On one side the complaints were valid, about it being a buggy mess with poor performance. CO dropped the ball there bigtime, possibly because they just got too ambitious. On the other hand there are a lot of players who make a direct comparison between 9 years of CS 1, and a freshly released CS2, and that's just an unfair comparison. As this video shows, CS2 is miles and miles beyond what CS1 was on release.
Man, I do not miss manually laying down sewage lines and connecting power blocks. So glad that in C:S2 all utilities are underneath the road, right where they belong.
I rember when people were bashing SimCity 2013 for simplifying gameplay with having all the pipes in the road, instead of placing them separately. Went full circle 😅
Yup, I only played a very lightly modded CS1 (casual player here) and even at launch I was shocked how much had been improved over CS1. CS2 very much felt pushed out too early, but we cannot say the devs didn't learn and listen to the fanbase and what was improved or used a lot in mods. I always saw the devs role to make a game with a solid foundation they and modders could work on, and honestly from what we have seen with CS2 there is a huge amount of flexability to what can be done with the game. It will take time but I really think it will turn into the best sim city style game, passing even CS1 with all DLC.
It's funny how things turn out. I said this right when CS2 launched, and people hated on me like crazy. It just takes a big influencer to make a video about how things really were at the start for everyone to take off their rose-tinted glasses. CS2 is such a huge improvement over CS1; it's insane.
I love reading this -- I just started playing, and didn't know how to choose between CS 1 and CS2. Watched a handful of YT videos and ultimately bought CS1. Having a blast with it. Rookie question: if I build stuff I love in CS1, will it transfer to CS2 if I eventually buy into it?
You overestimate how many people even played CS at launch Look at the Steam charts, that big playercount spike at the start of the pandemic was where a majority of players came from
Your difficulty with the interchanges are the precise reason why, to this day, some of the most subscribed custom assets of *all time* are Timboh's custom interchanges.These have been long, long outdated in the era of IMT, Node Controller and other mods, and much more up to date ones exist now. But they were the first custom assets and they came when the player base was at its peak, so many still have the top subscription numbers.And now you see why: People were *desperate* for custom interchanges back when tools were practically nonexistent *outside the asset editor* to build them.
When CS2 launched, most people suddenly got amnesia from how terrible the launch of CS1 when comparing the two. All I remember was frustration, bugs and the performance was terrible for the time. It took a good couple of years for it to be playable and get noticed.
There was nothing "sudden" about it, CS1 came out 10 years ago so it's natural that people didn't remember the launch state (hell, many probably didn't even play CS1 on launch). CS2 had the misfortune of launching in a poor state against a game that was feature complete and fun to play.
To be fair, most people didn't play CS1 right at launch. I personally didn't get the game until 2018, which by that point had 3 years worth of content & updates.
I waited for a year for cs1 till I bought and will for cs2 so it should be equal on my end. Any game with mod support takes a year till I buy its best practice.
The thing i remember from the first two years of Cities Skylines was that there was a bug that meant outside connection trains wouldn't despawn, which means that train exporting/importing was entirely broken. I remember how big of a deal tunnels were. Same with the ability to reverse roads with the upgrading tool. Yeah, uh, early Cities Skylines players tolerated a lot of shit because there really wasn't much better. Also, the Cities Skylines RUclips community changed oh so much in that time; a lot of the faces that came over from SC2013 eventually just kinda disappeared. I think either ConflictNerd or Biffa are like the earliest CS ones still remaining and regularly uploading Cities Skylines content. A bit rambly, but i think it's kinda interesting just to think about where Cities Skylines was in 2014-2015 compared to now, as a community. Edit 1 from watching this; Yeah iirc they did edit the terrain textures a few years into the game's life. I want to say it was around Parklife but I'm not sure. Also, topographic views I believe was post After Dark, in the free update that added Quays to the game. Cities Skylines free patches were kinda wild like that. I recall using the wind speed map as a rough idea of what the terrain was like inland before that patch came around. Edit 2 for the assets. Welcome back white collar residential assets Cities in Motion 2. Honestly they were just as placeless there. Also there's a lot of assets that are just cuts and merges of the same assets, especially in the residential side. Also, no corner lots yet iirc, not that that didn't really come into play unless you were doing offices or high density commercial.
From a technical perspective, trees _are_ props. Props are basically any kind of decorative model. It looks like they had prepared that section for things other than trees, or maybe in devmode it included other items as well, which is why it called props rather trees.
I do not miss anything about CS1. The Playskool kid's toy look to the game, the weirdly swaying trees, the radioactive grass and purple pollution, the mismatched Bizarro World assets.
I recently played CS1 and I never realized how chaotic everything is, especially buildings. I tried to get a consistent bui;ding theme by using the marquee tool (like how I would do in CS2) and it always randomizes the building aesthetic for each marquee. At least you do get 1x1 grid buildings which CS2 should have imo.
@@Greybell 1x1 grid buildings never really made sense. Consider that a normal street is 2 grid units wide, and includes 2 footpaths, 2 parking lanes, and 2 driving lanes, meaning the width is at least 10m wide, you end up with a 1x1 building that is 5m x 5m, which is tiny and looks really silly
I don't like CS2, it's too clean, CS1 feels more alive, CS2 has no animations for service people, it is more of a city painter, everything is very bland no livelihood at all
Such a fun experiment! Looking at the state of CS1 end-of-life, there've been massive improvements. It also encourages me to stay positive for Cities 2! Great stuff, CPP! :D
@@adrianschmidt5564 Because there is nothing to fix. You need to develop slower or in a staggered manner. When a mass of same aged Cims move in, they're all going to pass away at roughly the same time.
@@LordofSyn I used the day/night cycle to avoid death waves: don’t build at night and take that time to check your services coverage and budget. Can’t really see what you’re doing at night anyway so it’s the perfect time to fiddle with menus.
@@imo098765 Exactly. Death waves happen in real life. While we have been trying to mitigate them, maybe we shouldn't. While the simulation CO made is not a 1:1 representation of a "life" lived through to old and age and senescence it does a decent job of staying close to Statistics with its simple algorithms.
I think PDX needed you to do this sooner This really puts the CS2 roll-out into context when you can really see its alot of the same issues as CS1 roll out. I think we needed this reminder.
It really puts into perspective how much the modding scene contributed to the success of the first game. Without them this franchise would not have lasted for as long as it did and based on that reputation CO and PDX were able to sell the idea of a sequel with over-hyped fraudulent marketing and promises. As it stands version 2 is still missing components that were in the launch version of CS:1 and it still relies on the exact same mods to fix the quality of life features that were never fixed by CO's own dev team.
@@rafaelolivencia if you are asking what was missing from day 1 CS1 that isn't available in CS2, the answer is simple, 8 years of DLC adding up to the cost of around $400. If what you are asking is what was in CS1 day 1 but not in CS2, the answer is also simple- mod support (which is currently still considered "beta"), an asset editor and a map editor, -were all missing at launch of CS2. Not to mention an economy "simulation" that the CEO of Colossal Order herself defended to the point of saying that "if you don't like the simulation then maybe this game just isn't for you" while at the same time calling her paying customers "toxic".
The original launch of CS1 benefited GREATLY from how upset people were with the last SimCity to come out under EA at the time, that game was a huge flop, CS1 had what people were more or less looking for instead, and it took off from there. In hindsight, the enthusiasm and community around CS1 took several years to build at least, finally peaking when the game was all but complete, with just one or two DLCs to go, and after the mod community had a chance to make additions that basically became non-optional, like TMPE.
The textures seem better too, and of course as you zoom in the little grass and rock sprite add to the depth. Really hope they work on that for CS2. Game looks beautiful at dusk, flat during most of the day.
The reason that the game didn’t look different when switching to tropical LUT was because the map theme IS tropical. The LUT works best with the map theme
People who make the argument of “CS1 launch is worse than CS2 launch” intentionally make a misleading argument. Nobody today is going to play the launch version of CS1 because they can’t. The natural comparison is not launch CS1. CS1 was essentially a live service game. The game evolved. They had years of experience to build a worthy successor, that built off of what came before, instead they regressed it, and now you have people trying to justify their poor decision making by making irrelevant and irrational arguments.
I was just playing CS1 last night! First time since October... then City Planner uploads this video today. 😎 Great minds think alike and that's why we're all here. 💯
Thank you for that, CS2 is definitely not perfect, but I remember having more fun with it at launch than I had with CS1 at launch. I actually played CS1 for a couple months after launch and stoped, I only came back to it last year and had so much more fun because of the mods and upgrades. To this day I've never bought a CS1 DLC or pack because of the mods haha
For me, CS1 was with all the mods and DLCs was a really nice Game. It was the Game i played the Most on my steam account. But now with CS2, there is no turning back for me to CS1. For me personally i found the graphics always gross. CS2 gives a more natural realistic look also with the buildings and i like this very much. And I think with CS2 we a have foundation for a very nice game for the next years with so much game potential with upcoming features and DLCs
Here's the thing, all of these things coming from patches and DLC are fine for the first game in the series. Why I was okay with it then and am not okay with it now is quite simple. I don't see why in a sequel to a game, I have to again wait for patches and DLC content to give me BACK functionality I had in the previous title. Imagine if Nintendo had released Mario Brothers and then in Mario Brothers 3 made 2 player mode a patch that had to be added back into the game? Imagine if Halo had added in dual wielding weapons in Halo 2 only to make it a DLC in Halo 3? Imagine if you could change your custom in the first Spiderman title but in the sequel that needed to be added back into the game in a patch?! It's not a fair comparison to compare CS1 at launch to CS2 at launch. At all. Paradox themselves decided to make it a sequel, a DIRECT SEQUEL. They themselves chose to make this comparison. don't cry that we did and what we see isn't positive, even today. (though I concede the recent patches are the right direction, they still have a long ways to go) A fairer comparison would be to compare the launch state of CS2 to be BASE GAME ONLY of CS1 at the same time. Although I do have to concede, I could have SWORN fences were a day 1 feature in CS1. I am actually shocked!
Have to agree, a lot of the free patches were to fix issues, add quality of life updates or basic features that they hadn't thought of on release. A lot of these are missing in CS2, you can see only being added in future DLC.
@@BluePieNinjaTVthat and the road naming/defining that came with Mass Transit, but outside of that, yeah. We basically have the majority of (the DLC parts of) Mass Transit, Snowfall, and After Dark as is right now.
I get your point, but putting ALL the features produced over the 8 year life of CS1 into CS2 seems like a big task. The only things I am really missing from CS1 is bikes and the 'area" building features, like the custom campus and park areas.
I don't think there's anything wrong with comparing C:S2 to the fully-featured version of C:S. A sequel in this genre is meant to be a significant improvement. The devs themselves have grown and improved as well, and this changes what's expected of them.
This exactly. We should get giant leap ahead based on what was learned over the previous decade. We should be able to start ahead so the final goal is a significant growth. Unfortunately, CS2 seems to have set its goal to be eventually as good, as or mildly improved on CS1. That is a massive disappointment
Thats my issue, paradox is MUCH bigger than it was when it published cs1. They could've invested more into cs2 and they didnt. Cs2 shouldve been better than it was
While I understand not every single feature from cs1 being baked into 2 at launch, they needed to have significantly more than they did. The game released in an alpha state I'd say eco 2.0 is a beta. 1 released in the beta stage and I'd say nightlife update is what was full release worthy. Even without the dlc, the main game updates were there
@CityPlannerPlays Phil, you are the man. I know that one normally builds a city to fit the topography and natural land features, but I would love to see you create a map with a city plan already in mind. It would be interesting to see you make the topography respect you.
I am SO GLAD you made this video! It came up in my recommended right after I read a comment under a video on a different channel that proclaimed even with economy 2.0 CS2 would never be as good as CS1. It left me very confused as I think with the recent big updates (Mod Support, Economy 2.0, and Detailers Patch) CS2 is already a better game than base Vanilla CS1. Certainly better than the at launch version you showed, but I'd even say it surpasses the current base game only CS1. I jumped into CS2 for the first time in months the past two days, and I'm very pleased with the progress. Once they clean up the last few major bugs (many of which have already been modded out, but of course we need official fixes), finish the planned economy tweaks with any necessary rebalancing, and launch custom asset support I think it will be in an awesome place for a base game.
CS1 looks good here on high settings, but on the lower settings it looks green, foggy, and weird, so overall I prefer the cold feeling if I had to choose. But I hope there's a mod to make it a little warmer soon
I think it's probably a more fair comparison using vanilla CS with no DLC or mods, since the developers have all that experience to put into CS:2 at launch
The roads look just like the ones I had in my game. I can’t play this game, but I use to start a city before it took over me. They say you can’t teach an old dog new tricks - this statement is TRUE. My fingers just don’t work as well as the finger of you young people. But, I love to watch all your videos, makes me feel like I accomplished something, as you did all the work! ❤👍🏽
You may have a better time with simcity! It's a lot more "clunky" (more 'snappy', makes placing things easier) and while it is very different and lacking in a lot of the areas where cities skylines excels, it is still a pretty fun time.
I missing so much the custom assets in CS2, like the homes and commerces from KingLeno so perfect to create a real city, and I just playing this unfinished game call Cities 2 omgg
What i missed the most when cities skylines 1 launched was tunnels and no option for raw unlimited materials. Of cause all the advanced mods later made me realise a lack of necessery features in the game. But most importantly i had fun from the beginning.
CS1 didn't have much to start with, but what it *did* have, worked. CS2 should have taken the same approach, had less complexity at the start but made sure what it did have, worked, and then built on it going forward.
I came to CS1 in 2017, a couple years after release. I never knew the struggle, or lack of features from the 1st release. This has really opened my eyes to how much more CS2 has opposed to CS1 on release. We're on the right track with CS2, and I can't wait for the future of the game.
Still not an excuse for the debacle of the CS:II launch, and it should never be... oh look, CS:1 was rough at launch so it is ok for CS:2 being rough as well and miss a lot of basic features. Nope... really not. The gaming industry set different standards for nowadays, and customers have different expectations as well. And releasing a game so flawed that it needs a year to even be enjoyable should be an absolute no-go for any developer studio.
As soon as I saw the title of this video I knew there was gonna be a bunch of comments "See, CS1 was rough at launch too!" As if that somehow excuses the awful launch of CS2. CS1 was done when the devs were just starting up and had no expectations. A rocky start is understandable. After a decade of financial and critical success, it is absurd to give CS2 that same leeway.
Agreed, somehow people don't understand that version 1 is the first game in the franchise, dismissing their two previous games Cities in Motion of course, but nobody remembers those and the sequel had such a bad reputation that they had to start an entirely new franchise. When CS:2 launched I was naive enough to think that they had spent all their time building a complete game just to strip out components to be resold at a later time as DLC. They really have no excuse for why the sequel released as a demo of a beta build which didn't even have a map maker and still doesn't have an asset editor. Version 2 should have been the best parts of version 1 with room to improve new features and content that weren't possible with the original. Instead they decided to build a completely new game that emulates what version 1 was which makes it appear to be a poor imitation of their own game. My biggest criticism for the game is the expense of the DLC, some of which are required for mods to function properly. Version 2 will most likely cost even more for DLC and so far most of what they have announced is exactly the same DLC we got from version 1. it is rather sad that paying customers act like they are in an abusive relationship without realizing it and forgive their abuser when shown the slightest bit of mercy after taking a beating like the failed Beach Front Properties and then given a handful of assets after 8 months from release. Where is the asset editor and where are the free content creator packs that were promised ? Again, it feels disingenuous to be "gifted" things when what was promised would have been so much more. I have no hate for the devs because they are obviously trying to work with what they got, more than likely CS:2's problems are caused by poor leadership and a woefully inept CEO at the helm.
Nope, as far as I know from interviews from the CEO of CO they have always had a team of around 30 employees and she intentionally keeps them as a "small team" to better keep them under her control. With the success of the first game they have no excuse for not expanding which would have helped build the game that they advertised for version 2. The CEO intentionally gimps her team which resulted in the gimped launch of CS:2. Her only contribution to version 1 was the ripoff twitter mascot that she rebranded as "Chirper". If you listen to her interviews she admits that she knows nothing about the gaming industry and treats it like a "job" and when she was given the position of CEO she came into it not having to do anything to set up the studio as she states that she was given a ton of money in the form of some kind of subsidy and there were already employees established with specific roles which she had nothing to do with.
@@thephantomchannel5368 not hiring more artists was definitely a mistake. Imagine the amount of vanilla assets and themes we could have had in the base game. Also more programmers too, for obvious reasons. I think the team should have expanded to about 50 people for CS2.
I have heard ppl talk about CS1 was just bare bones also compared to CS2, I came into CS late in the game when there were a lot of DLCs etc were out, so now after seeing proof, I feel like CS2 will be on top after some time also, I guess everyone forgot CO is a small company and everyone that had gotten use to CS1 expected to start out on top like a how other big titles like a Call of Duty, Madden, Sonic, Sims etc
CO is a small team, but I don't see any reason not to hire more people to work on a sequel of such a succesful game like cs1 :D Actually CS2 failed at launch because of not hiring enough people to work on the game.
CS1 was bare bones, but it was significantly cheaper than CS2 at the time of release. There were also no expectations because CS1 came out of the blue and no one expected it to be a successful successor to the SimCity series. The main thing I remember when I played CS1 on release day is that it allowed you to do things that SimCity 2013 didn't allow you to do, and that's why everyone praised it so much back then.
Irrelevant. If they want to charge full price for a game, then it better live up to it. If they want to be treated like a small indie, then price the game accordingly
One thing I find super funny is when SimCity 2013 released people HATED that the power and sewage was auto under the roads, and praised Skylines for having you place them, and now with Skylines 2 people praise it for... having the power and sewage auto under the roads. I did enjoy SimCity 2013 for it's coop gameplay and especially the cyberpunk DLC. We've never really seen another DLC change a whole city so dramatically before and I think we need more stuff like that, and less of the Skylines 1 DLC... to a degree. But honestly love these videos, really puts into perspective how much games change, as well as our opinions.
I played SimCity 2013 quite a bit before CS1 came out, and this game was the nail in the coffin. Simcity was just so limited in what you could do. The freedom this game gave you compared to SimCity was such a breath of fresh air. This game instantly redefined the genre.
i think a lot of the difference in perception comes from the legacy that CS1 created and the fact that we expected this to be a bigger project that was better funded and staffed after the success of the first game. its one thing for an unproven ip to launch in a rough state as shown in the video, its another for a now well established brand with 415 dollars worth of DLC in one game to launch another broken game
Completely agree, I can half forgive the egregious amount of DLC based on version 1 being a work in progress. There is no excuse for version 2 releasing the way it did especially when they have more money and experience from the 8 years of keeping CS:1 relevant which can mostly be attributed to the work of the modders fixing the game for them. They should have hired a dev team that could actually deliver what was promised and on time but the CEO intentionally gimps her team so that she can control them easier which is something that she admits in more than one interview that she has given over the years since the launch of CS:1. When asked about if she has any concerns for the future she jokes that the biggest consideration she makes each morning is whether to drive her new Jaguar to work or to ride her pony. She has also has stated that her fantasy game to develop would be a horse grooming simulator for mobile devices. This is the person in charge of the Cities Skylines franchise which is probably the reason why version 2 had such an abysmal launch and why Paradox had to step in and take over for public relations even after they granted her a two year extension from when the sequel was originally supposed to launch in 2021.
@@gladitsnotme Oh snap you got me, I'll forever refrain from ever making a comment on the internet ever again. You really put me in my place with your well crafted and logically articulated conclusion. Thank you for imparting and bestowing your wisdom onto such a lowly creature as I. Seriously though, what in my statement made you come to the conclusion that I subscribe to the ideology of being an "incel" ? I assume it was because I called out the CEO of CO for being woefully inept at being the leader of a gaming studio. Nowhere did I state that the reason for her poor leadership was due to her being female. I judge her based on the content of her character and not based on what she has or doesn't have between her legs. Troll harder next time.
@@gladitsnotme That shouldn't be normal. We've really been conditioned to have games be a broken buggy mess at launch with the hope that they'll fix it later which is asisine.
Thanks for making this. I think it was good give some perspective for launch CS1 to launch CS2 because despite its issues, I think people were a little too harsh on the CS2 devs. Yes there were issues, and yes they were pushed to release something that felt unfinished, but there was a lot there, especially in the tools, and considering how small the team was and how hard they were probably pushed by Paradox, I think they got a lot more hate than they deserved. That said, I'm glad they've taken the criticism seriously because CS2 is really turning into something great now.
Thanks for the fun stroll down memory lane. It was interesting to me because I was aware of Skylines development, but would have never bought it if SimThing 2013 hadn't been a total dumpster fire. It says a lot that even as shown Skylines was immensely better than the game that owned the genre, and was then able to grow into the genre-defining game it now is to the point that the original is now not much more than a distant memory. A couple things I noticed during the play: 1) as soon as you mentioned there was no topo view and no landscaping tools, I immediately thought of that first city you built and thought that it was probably the best that could have been done at that time, I'm happy you also thought of it later on. 2) Non-reversible roads used to drive me batty. 3) That purple fill for the pollution drove me nuts and was the thing I disliked most about the game at launch. I can't remember if that's how it still is because its been so long since I've played unmodded, but I can't imagine what they were thinking with that one. 4) Interestingly, it seems like they actually had a similar design philosophy on the economy to CS2 in that they wanted to make sure you were successful so badly that they made it near impossible to fail.
I don't usually comment, but I loved this video. I had played CS1 from day one. People have really short memories. The first 6 months asset modding was slow. CS2 feels far more mature and realistic (aside from the bugs). It makes me excited for the future of CS2.
The point you make with this video is so fair! From the very first video I saw of Cities Skylines 2 it really felt unfinished just like everyone said. But I thought immediately; Cities Skylines 1 was rubbish at first right? Cities Skylines 1 was a very beautiful game in the 8 years that it was developed. So I can't wait what Cities Skylines looks like in 5 or even 8 years! Thank you so much for proving my point with this video!!👏🏻😃
I can see Phil having flashback to loans from CS2’s economy patch 😂😂😂 Fr tho, good video. 1.0 vs 1.0 is a great way to display launch versions, and the difference in philosophy.
tree overlap prevention in cs2 is probably a console centric constraint to prevent a million trees from accidently occupying the same location. A good tool refinement would be if we held down alt or ctrl it overrides it.
Phil, I know you're upset about road control tools, but compared to Simcity 4 or Cities X/XL, having curve controls like this, at all, was an absolute game changer. Yes, CSII gives you precision controls but just having the power to make non-grid and also non-spaghetti roads, and in a tile larger than a shoebox, was huuuge in 2015. Including precision tools and snapping from day zero is actually a huge upgrade in CSII that almost everyone takes for granted!
Legacy Game Preservation is hitting the nail on the head there, we might as well call out 2K/Blizzard or any Dev team to make it so we can enjoy a hassle free install and booting experience across the different versions of operating systems. It wasn't a bad thing when you had to go to prompt and type in whatever exe file to run and the game started.
your voice sounds great the way you are mixing it, but i think that making the compressor's release time a bit shorter would make it a lot more even. keep up the great work!
Thank you for this excellent content. It was fun. I would love to see a modern review of CS1 as is if you installed and played it as an up to date version now. My computer (that can play MS Flight Simulator) really struggles to manage CS2 ( I haven’t tried again since the last updates, I don’t know if they did more performance improvements) but it has made me think I should get a few DLCs and try CS1 again, my PC might handle it better.
It honestly reminds me on the Switch edition, much of the features on switch either are half baked or dont existing. For example the topography view is there but cant be toggled on while building, so you have go to infoviews every time you want to check the topography.
Great video! As some othernhave pointed out, its not super different from what the Switch version offers. Its almost a different game wothout qll of the DLC and QOL improvements. On the flip side, 1.0 was definitely more focused!
I'm not sure when I first tried CS1 but it wasn't right at launch but I do remember trying to play vanilla for about the first six months I had the game on and off. CS was the first game I ever modded. :) My first mod was precision engineering and the first assets I remember downloading were a whole bunch of interchanges. :) I think my second gameplay mod was probably extra landscaping tools. My mod list definitely grew from there. I haven't modded my CS2 game... yet. Just restarted gameplay after the Economy 2.0 and Detailing patches and will be following along with the Ultimate Beginner's Guide series. I'd like to work through a vanilla game and all the milestones at least once before modding but we'll see if I hold out. And I'm eagerly awaiting asset availability.
I said this on an OE stream last week: I've been playing C:S1 and dealing with all its many janky bits for so long that I am excited for C:S2's all new kinds of jank!
This is what I kept trying to remind people. The CS1 of now had almost a decade of improvement. While CS2 hasn't! Nine years from now Phil will be making this same video about CS2. Just give it time! CS2 is getting better!
so many people are talking about the release of CS2 a disaster -and maybe it because im coming from the Ark community and had to deal with all of their shenanigans- but i don’t personally see CS2 as a disaster. of course there are things that went wrong, but that’s because they were trying some new things while also trying to keep close to the first game, so some bugs and/or missteps are to be expected. but they are actively working to fix it and make it a better game, and listening to the community, which i see as a huge win for them! sorry for the long comment, but i just wanted to share my opinion on the release of CS2!! love your videos! keep up the amazing content
Welcome to the fold my dear friend. All my RUclips series have been based on cs1 from the beginning-if you get chance look at my Blackwoods/Mini manhattan Grand Finale showcase to show what you can create as your very 1st city without mods or DLC. It was a real eye opener playing as players did from the very start.
The only things I miss from base CS2 is traffic lights management, lane management, make historical building, more service assets (now its fixed), editing curveture and height of existing roads, 1tile peds road with different colors, line tool, 2way Yield and Stop signs, Toggling road zoning, absolute height when elevating roads,
I wasn't there day 1 of CS1. I came much later. IMO, the big misses in the CS2 launch were not having modding available on day 1 & not having beaches available (then selling a DLC without adding beaches). I love the direction we're headed. I'm back in the game. I'm here for the rest of the journey.
idk how many neighborhoods you've been in for your job, but even in seattle area the variety of house design is just about as crazy as what you're talking about
The crazy thing is that CS1 for all of its bugs and issues was still far beyond the Sim City that released at the same time. I remember having a hell of a time making it run, run well, and get it to function on the old PC I had. Colossal Order did a great job updating the game over time though, and released a lot of free stuff into the game. It sucks that CS2 was pushed out in the state it was but we are at least moving the right direction with it.
Idk but CS II spoiled. I can’t go back to CS I without borderline hating it. There are so many quality of life improvements improvements and visually it just blows CS I out the water, and that matters a lot to me so I can get immersed in the world. Modern CS II, imo, is subjectively a way better game, unless you’re a HEAVY customizer, and even then it’s fast catching up.
Really, flat grass textures and NPC's that look grotesque and walk like zombies ? Sure they might be more detailed in certain areas but they are definitely not pleasing to look at. Personally I find the NPC's to be immersion breaking for how hideous they are. Speaking of water, do you find the water physics to be better in version 2 over version 1 ? Can you even create waterfalls in the game that don't look like gelatinous ooze ?
In CS2, just to replace your alley with a two way road with anarchy, then you move the buildings on the side that don't fit with move it. Don't need to destroy anything.
Things you notice right away: Better lighting, better growing buildings (scaffolds), better ground textures (aside of cliffs), better looking trees, more FPS, dirt textures around buildings/roads/trees etc.Also I always used a mod to hide road names and district names. It's distracting to see them.
"People" are critical of C:S2 because the devs have had that decade plus to learn that "these are the things we need to have." I'm more critical of the "Buy this DLC, your game is dead, then buy this new one and start over."
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Yes Please I wanna know! I would love to play older versions of some of my games again!
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The worst part is that this was amazing after the disaster that was Simcity 2013. We took basically anything we could at that point and this was the peak of citybuilding at the time.
That's a big reason why CS2's launch had such terrible reception. Since CS1 we've had a plethora of great town/city builders and so expectations were much higher this time around for CS2
@@silenthunder52 Problem is twofold for CS2 I think. On one side the complaints were valid, about it being a buggy mess with poor performance. CO dropped the ball there bigtime, possibly because they just got too ambitious. On the other hand there are a lot of players who make a direct comparison between 9 years of CS 1, and a freshly released CS2, and that's just an unfair comparison. As this video shows, CS2 is miles and miles beyond what CS1 was on release.
As someone who bought cities XL AND cities XXL, I agree.
Everything comes down to perspective. How we experience and perceive our world shapes everything that comes after it. What a dynamic.
And it was, for all it's faults, REALLY GOOD at the time.
Man, I do not miss manually laying down sewage lines and connecting power blocks. So glad that in C:S2 all utilities are underneath the road, right where they belong.
Mods exist
...i like it
I rember when people were bashing SimCity 2013 for simplifying gameplay with having all the pipes in the road, instead of placing them separately. Went full circle 😅
Who wants I in the roads
People really dont know just how much is actually in CS:2, snapping guidelines were part of precision engineering and the community rejoiced lol
I wish people would stop with the going back and forth and just play.😂
That's the point, you had all of this with mods in cs1 in the first month. This was their biggest mistake.
Yup, I only played a very lightly modded CS1 (casual player here) and even at launch I was shocked how much had been improved over CS1. CS2 very much felt pushed out too early, but we cannot say the devs didn't learn and listen to the fanbase and what was improved or used a lot in mods.
I always saw the devs role to make a game with a solid foundation they and modders could work on, and honestly from what we have seen with CS2 there is a huge amount of flexability to what can be done with the game. It will take time but I really think it will turn into the best sim city style game, passing even CS1 with all DLC.
@@roddo1955 its because each game succeeds in different ways, neither is truly shining because CS2 failed miserably in so many ways
It's funny how things turn out. I said this right when CS2 launched, and people hated on me like crazy. It just takes a big influencer to make a video about how things really were at the start for everyone to take off their rose-tinted glasses. CS2 is such a huge improvement over CS1; it's insane.
still playing CS1 with years of assets, finally mastering the game after 6 years of playing
same! 👍
I love reading this -- I just started playing, and didn't know how to choose between CS 1 and CS2. Watched a handful of YT videos and ultimately bought CS1. Having a blast with it. Rookie question: if I build stuff I love in CS1, will it transfer to CS2 if I eventually buy into it?
@@Citroen_2cv no they're completely seperate games
@@Citroen_2cv I think you made a good choice there. Pick CS2 up after awhile when it's been updated and tweaked. It's good but CS1 is goat
@@nour.ismail Damn, I knew that was dumb when I typed it. Thank you for your answer -- I'm inching toward competence --
People have forgotten what the original CS was like at launch. It's great to see it again, just for comparison.
You overestimate how many people even played CS at launch
Look at the Steam charts, that big playercount spike at the start of the pandemic was where a majority of players came from
Before after dark... wait a minute.. Before tunnels! forgot those were added later with i think the european buildings.
Your difficulty with the interchanges are the precise reason why, to this day, some of the most subscribed custom assets of *all time* are Timboh's custom interchanges.These have been long, long outdated in the era of IMT, Node Controller and other mods, and much more up to date ones exist now. But they were the first custom assets and they came when the player base was at its peak, so many still have the top subscription numbers.And now you see why: People were *desperate* for custom interchanges back when tools were practically nonexistent *outside the asset editor* to build them.
"I can't use more than one tool at a time, it's frustrating" welcome to console edition 😎😂
Cities skylines 1 is no longer cities skylines 1. This video is a great way to put into perspective how much the game has evolved.
When CS2 launched, most people suddenly got amnesia from how terrible the launch of CS1 when comparing the two. All I remember was frustration, bugs and the performance was terrible for the time. It took a good couple of years for it to be playable and get noticed.
There was nothing "sudden" about it, CS1 came out 10 years ago so it's natural that people didn't remember the launch state (hell, many probably didn't even play CS1 on launch). CS2 had the misfortune of launching in a poor state against a game that was feature complete and fun to play.
no, stop coping. CS2 is definitely a significantly bigger disaster with far more and larger issues than CS1 had on launch
To be fair, most people didn't play CS1 right at launch. I personally didn't get the game until 2018, which by that point had 3 years worth of content & updates.
I waited for a year for cs1 till I bought and will for cs2 so it should be equal on my end. Any game with mod support takes a year till I buy its best practice.
So that is an excuse to release CS:II the way they did... ? Seriously??
You know, he is basically playing the switch version of CS1 except that is has better performance, but no day/night cycle.
Lol yep
Does the Switch have a vehicle and walking mode like in the ps4/one version
The thing i remember from the first two years of Cities Skylines was that there was a bug that meant outside connection trains wouldn't despawn, which means that train exporting/importing was entirely broken. I remember how big of a deal tunnels were. Same with the ability to reverse roads with the upgrading tool.
Yeah, uh, early Cities Skylines players tolerated a lot of shit because there really wasn't much better.
Also, the Cities Skylines RUclips community changed oh so much in that time; a lot of the faces that came over from SC2013 eventually just kinda disappeared. I think either ConflictNerd or Biffa are like the earliest CS ones still remaining and regularly uploading Cities Skylines content.
A bit rambly, but i think it's kinda interesting just to think about where Cities Skylines was in 2014-2015 compared to now, as a community.
Edit 1 from watching this; Yeah iirc they did edit the terrain textures a few years into the game's life. I want to say it was around Parklife but I'm not sure. Also, topographic views I believe was post After Dark, in the free update that added Quays to the game. Cities Skylines free patches were kinda wild like that. I recall using the wind speed map as a rough idea of what the terrain was like inland before that patch came around.
Edit 2 for the assets.
Welcome back white collar residential assets Cities in Motion 2. Honestly they were just as placeless there. Also there's a lot of assets that are just cuts and merges of the same assets, especially in the residential side. Also, no corner lots yet iirc, not that that didn't really come into play unless you were doing offices or high density commercial.
To do a proper appraisal you also need to be running on a 2015 machine :) LOL. Good luck!
From a technical perspective, trees _are_ props. Props are basically any kind of decorative model. It looks like they had prepared that section for things other than trees, or maybe in devmode it included other items as well, which is why it called props rather trees.
Hey Phil, don't mean to make you self conscious or anything, but I think you need new glasses, you have a solid slant going on there
Heading in next week. They are in worse shape than you can imagine, haha
@@CityPlannerPlays Definitely get the anti-reflective coating! Helps a lot with glare from lighting and screens.
I do not miss anything about CS1. The Playskool kid's toy look to the game, the weirdly swaying trees, the radioactive grass and purple pollution, the mismatched Bizarro World assets.
What I don't miss how cars, vans, trucks and buses look in CS1. I think vehicles look more realistic in CS2.
I recently played CS1 and I never realized how chaotic everything is, especially buildings. I tried to get a consistent bui;ding theme by using the marquee tool (like how I would do in CS2) and it always randomizes the building aesthetic for each marquee. At least you do get 1x1 grid buildings which CS2 should have imo.
@@Greybell 1x1 grid buildings never really made sense. Consider that a normal street is 2 grid units wide, and includes 2 footpaths, 2 parking lanes, and 2 driving lanes, meaning the width is at least 10m wide, you end up with a 1x1 building that is 5m x 5m, which is tiny and looks really silly
I don't like CS2, it's too clean, CS1 feels more alive, CS2 has no animations for service people, it is more of a city painter, everything is very bland no livelihood at all
@@t1a2l It's funny how people complain about CS2 being too clean, yet they don't want filthy streets in real life.
Such a fun experiment! Looking at the state of CS1 end-of-life, there've been massive improvements. It also encourages me to stay positive for Cities 2! Great stuff, CPP! :D
They never fixed the death waves in CS1
@@adrianschmidt5564
Because there is nothing to fix. You need to develop slower or in a staggered manner. When a mass of same aged Cims move in, they're all going to pass away at roughly the same time.
@@LordofSyn I used the day/night cycle to avoid death waves: don’t build at night and take that time to check your services coverage and budget.
Can’t really see what you’re doing at night anyway so it’s the perfect time to fiddle with menus.
@@LordofSyn and the sad thing is, check your local obituaries. People are dying every single day, its sad but this is the life we have
@@imo098765
Exactly. Death waves happen in real life. While we have been trying to mitigate them, maybe we shouldn't. While the simulation CO made is not a 1:1 representation of a "life" lived through to old and age and senescence it does a decent job of staying close to Statistics with its simple algorithms.
I think PDX needed you to do this sooner
This really puts the CS2 roll-out into context when you can really see its alot of the same issues as CS1 roll out. I think we needed this reminder.
It really puts into perspective how much the modding scene contributed to the success of the first game. Without them this franchise would not have lasted for as long as it did and based on that reputation CO and PDX were able to sell the idea of a sequel with over-hyped fraudulent marketing and promises. As it stands version 2 is still missing components that were in the launch version of CS:1 and it still relies on the exact same mods to fix the quality of life features that were never fixed by CO's own dev team.
@@thephantomchannel5368 what exactly is missing from day 1 cs1 that isn’t available in cs2
@@rafaelolivencia if you are asking what was missing from day 1 CS1 that isn't available in CS2, the answer is simple, 8 years of DLC adding up to the cost of around $400.
If what you are asking is what was in CS1 day 1 but not in CS2, the answer is also simple- mod support (which is currently still considered "beta"), an asset editor and a map editor, -were all missing at launch of CS2. Not to mention an economy "simulation" that the CEO of Colossal Order herself defended to the point of saying that "if you don't like the simulation then maybe this game just isn't for you" while at the same time calling her paying customers "toxic".
Great video man. Since cities 2 lauched we needed a video like this to compare the two games
The original launch of CS1 benefited GREATLY from how upset people were with the last SimCity to come out under EA at the time, that game was a huge flop, CS1 had what people were more or less looking for instead, and it took off from there. In hindsight, the enthusiasm and community around CS1 took several years to build at least, finally peaking when the game was all but complete, with just one or two DLCs to go, and after the mod community had a chance to make additions that basically became non-optional, like TMPE.
17:06 possibly it’s easier to see heights because it’s dawn. With the sun that low you can see lumps and bumps.
The textures seem better too, and of course as you zoom in the little grass and rock sprite add to the depth. Really hope they work on that for CS2. Game looks beautiful at dusk, flat during most of the day.
@@Distress. the tufts of grass CS1 has look so much better than the completely flat textures CS2 has
@@Distress. I was never a fan of the grass sprites as they poked through some assets. I always switched them off.
3:05 I didn't play CS1 for a while and holy shit that is a nostalgic sound 😭
The reason that the game didn’t look different when switching to tropical LUT was because the map theme IS tropical. The LUT works best with the map theme
FYI, "Oak" and "Tree with Leaves 2" *do* still exist in the latest CS1. And yeah, the difference seems to just be size... oak is a little bigger.
People who make the argument of “CS1 launch is worse than CS2 launch” intentionally make a misleading argument.
Nobody today is going to play the launch version of CS1 because they can’t. The natural comparison is not launch CS1.
CS1 was essentially a live service game. The game evolved.
They had years of experience to build a worthy successor, that built off of what came before, instead they regressed it, and now you have people trying to justify their poor decision making by making irrelevant and irrational arguments.
I was just playing CS1 last night! First time since October... then City Planner uploads this video today. 😎 Great minds think alike and that's why we're all here. 💯
Thank you for that, CS2 is definitely not perfect, but I remember having more fun with it at launch than I had with CS1 at launch. I actually played CS1 for a couple months after launch and stoped, I only came back to it last year and had so much more fun because of the mods and upgrades. To this day I've never bought a CS1 DLC or pack because of the mods haha
For me, CS1 was with all the mods and DLCs was a really nice Game. It was the Game i played the Most on my steam account.
But now with CS2, there is no turning back for me to CS1. For me personally i found the graphics always gross.
CS2 gives a more natural realistic look also with the buildings and i like this very much.
And I think with CS2 we a have foundation for a very nice game for the next years with so much game potential with upcoming features and DLCs
Here's the thing, all of these things coming from patches and DLC are fine for the first game in the series.
Why I was okay with it then and am not okay with it now is quite simple. I don't see why in a sequel to a game, I have to again wait for patches and DLC content to give me BACK functionality I had in the previous title.
Imagine if Nintendo had released Mario Brothers and then in Mario Brothers 3 made 2 player mode a patch that had to be added back into the game?
Imagine if Halo had added in dual wielding weapons in Halo 2 only to make it a DLC in Halo 3?
Imagine if you could change your custom in the first Spiderman title but in the sequel that needed to be added back into the game in a patch?!
It's not a fair comparison to compare CS1 at launch to CS2 at launch. At all. Paradox themselves decided to make it a sequel, a DIRECT SEQUEL. They themselves chose to make this comparison. don't cry that we did and what we see isn't positive, even today. (though I concede the recent patches are the right direction, they still have a long ways to go)
A fairer comparison would be to compare the launch state of CS2 to be BASE GAME ONLY of CS1 at the same time.
Although I do have to concede, I could have SWORN fences were a day 1 feature in CS1. I am actually shocked!
Have to agree, a lot of the free patches were to fix issues, add quality of life updates or basic features that they hadn't thought of on release. A lot of these are missing in CS2, you can see only being added in future DLC.
There honestly isn't much missing from CS2 that was in base game CS1 though. The only major things are bikes and togglable zoning control really.
@@BluePieNinjaTVthat and the road naming/defining that came with Mass Transit, but outside of that, yeah. We basically have the majority of (the DLC parts of) Mass Transit, Snowfall, and After Dark as is right now.
I get your point, but putting ALL the features produced over the 8 year life of CS1 into CS2 seems like a big task.
The only things I am really missing from CS1 is bikes and the 'area" building features, like the custom campus and park areas.
Launch CS1 was rough, but literally comming from SimCity 2013 this game felt like heaven to play
I don't think there's anything wrong with comparing C:S2 to the fully-featured version of C:S.
A sequel in this genre is meant to be a significant improvement. The devs themselves have grown and improved as well, and this changes what's expected of them.
This exactly. We should get giant leap ahead based on what was learned over the previous decade. We should be able to start ahead so the final goal is a significant growth. Unfortunately, CS2 seems to have set its goal to be eventually as good, as or mildly improved on CS1. That is a massive disappointment
Thats my issue, paradox is MUCH bigger than it was when it published cs1. They could've invested more into cs2 and they didnt. Cs2 shouldve been better than it was
While I understand not every single feature from cs1 being baked into 2 at launch, they needed to have significantly more than they did. The game released in an alpha state I'd say eco 2.0 is a beta. 1 released in the beta stage and I'd say nightlife update is what was full release worthy. Even without the dlc, the main game updates were there
@CityPlannerPlays Phil, you are the man. I know that one normally builds a city to fit the topography and natural land features, but I would love to see you create a map with a city plan already in mind. It would be interesting to see you make the topography respect you.
I am SO GLAD you made this video!
It came up in my recommended right after I read a comment under a video on a different channel that proclaimed even with economy 2.0 CS2 would never be as good as CS1.
It left me very confused as I think with the recent big updates (Mod Support, Economy 2.0, and Detailers Patch) CS2 is already a better game than base Vanilla CS1. Certainly better than the at launch version you showed, but I'd even say it surpasses the current base game only CS1. I jumped into CS2 for the first time in months the past two days, and I'm very pleased with the progress.
Once they clean up the last few major bugs (many of which have already been modded out, but of course we need official fixes), finish the planned economy tweaks with any necessary rebalancing, and launch custom asset support I think it will be in an awesome place for a base game.
One thing i like about cs1 is how colorful it is. All the parks etc feel welcoming. Cs2 has a cold feeling to it
Yeah that’s the main thing that discourages me from playing cs2
CS1 feels so much like Simcity 2013 so my memories hunt me, CS2 is better
Cs1 is more cartoony and cs2 is more realistic and metallic look
CS1 looks good here on high settings, but on the lower settings it looks green, foggy, and weird, so overall I prefer the cold feeling if I had to choose. But I hope there's a mod to make it a little warmer soon
@TheWagonroast For me, on the contrary, the cartoon graphics and acidic colors of the first game are unpleasant.
I think it's probably a more fair comparison using vanilla CS with no DLC or mods, since the developers have all that experience to put into CS:2 at launch
This makes me quite a bit more hopeful for CS2.
Engagement comment, but thanks for the reminder on the new Willow album, because I remember their 2 singles from the album were absolutely great
The roads look just like the ones I had in my game. I can’t play this game, but I use to start a city before it took over me. They say you can’t teach an old dog new tricks - this statement is TRUE. My fingers just don’t work as well as the finger of you young people. But, I love to watch all your videos, makes me feel like I accomplished something, as you did all the work! ❤👍🏽
You may have a better time with simcity! It's a lot more "clunky" (more 'snappy', makes placing things easier) and while it is very different and lacking in a lot of the areas where cities skylines excels, it is still a pretty fun time.
I missing so much the custom assets in CS2, like the homes and commerces from KingLeno so perfect to create a real city, and I just playing this unfinished game call Cities 2 omgg
CS1 and 2 are two totally different games. CS1 is more my speed though, especially with all the detailing and years of custom assets
About day one main menu. It was no news box and no workshop chart. They appear in some time after lunch. I remember thinking how off it looks.
What i missed the most when cities skylines 1 launched was tunnels and no option for raw unlimited materials. Of cause all the advanced mods later made me realise a lack of necessery features in the game. But most importantly i had fun from the beginning.
I always imagined you as a guy in a tuxedo suit with slickback hairstyle
CS1 didn't have much to start with, but what it *did* have, worked.
CS2 should have taken the same approach, had less complexity at the start but made sure what it did have, worked, and then built on it going forward.
People would have complained even more
I came to CS1 in 2017, a couple years after release. I never knew the struggle, or lack of features from the 1st release.
This has really opened my eyes to how much more CS2 has opposed to CS1 on release.
We're on the right track with CS2, and I can't wait for the future of the game.
Still not an excuse for the debacle of the CS:II launch, and it should never be... oh look, CS:1 was rough at launch so it is ok for CS:2 being rough as well and miss a lot of basic features. Nope... really not. The gaming industry set different standards for nowadays, and customers have different expectations as well. And releasing a game so flawed that it needs a year to even be enjoyable should be an absolute no-go for any developer studio.
As soon as I saw the title of this video I knew there was gonna be a bunch of comments "See, CS1 was rough at launch too!" As if that somehow excuses the awful launch of CS2. CS1 was done when the devs were just starting up and had no expectations. A rocky start is understandable. After a decade of financial and critical success, it is absurd to give CS2 that same leeway.
Agreed, somehow people don't understand that version 1 is the first game in the franchise, dismissing their two previous games Cities in Motion of course, but nobody remembers those and the sequel had such a bad reputation that they had to start an entirely new franchise. When CS:2 launched I was naive enough to think that they had spent all their time building a complete game just to strip out components to be resold at a later time as DLC. They really have no excuse for why the sequel released as a demo of a beta build which didn't even have a map maker and still doesn't have an asset editor. Version 2 should have been the best parts of version 1 with room to improve new features and content that weren't possible with the original. Instead they decided to build a completely new game that emulates what version 1 was which makes it appear to be a poor imitation of their own game.
My biggest criticism for the game is the expense of the DLC, some of which are required for mods to function properly. Version 2 will most likely cost even more for DLC and so far most of what they have announced is exactly the same DLC we got from version 1. it is rather sad that paying customers act like they are in an abusive relationship without realizing it and forgive their abuser when shown the slightest bit of mercy after taking a beating like the failed Beach Front Properties and then given a handful of assets after 8 months from release. Where is the asset editor and where are the free content creator packs that were promised ? Again, it feels disingenuous to be "gifted" things when what was promised would have been so much more. I have no hate for the devs because they are obviously trying to work with what they got, more than likely CS:2's problems are caused by poor leadership and a woefully inept CEO at the helm.
The passion shines through in every video. It's truly inspiring.
It is amazing how different it was back then with CS1 to what we have now after all the mods and updates and so on.
To be fair, the game studio was much smaller at the release of cs1 compared to cs2's...
Nope, as far as I know from interviews from the CEO of CO they have always had a team of around 30 employees and she intentionally keeps them as a "small team" to better keep them under her control. With the success of the first game they have no excuse for not expanding which would have helped build the game that they advertised for version 2. The CEO intentionally gimps her team which resulted in the gimped launch of CS:2. Her only contribution to version 1 was the ripoff twitter mascot that she rebranded as "Chirper". If you listen to her interviews she admits that she knows nothing about the gaming industry and treats it like a "job" and when she was given the position of CEO she came into it not having to do anything to set up the studio as she states that she was given a ton of money in the form of some kind of subsidy and there were already employees established with specific roles which she had nothing to do with.
@@thephantomchannel5368 not hiring more artists was definitely a mistake. Imagine the amount of vanilla assets and themes we could have had in the base game. Also more programmers too, for obvious reasons. I think the team should have expanded to about 50 people for CS2.
I have heard ppl talk about CS1 was just bare bones also compared to CS2, I came into CS late in the game when there were a lot of DLCs etc were out, so now after seeing proof, I feel like CS2 will be on top after some time also, I guess everyone forgot CO is a small company and everyone that had gotten use to CS1 expected to start out on top like a how other big titles like a Call of Duty, Madden, Sonic, Sims etc
CO is a small team, but I don't see any reason not to hire more people to work on a sequel of such a succesful game like cs1 :D Actually CS2 failed at launch because of not hiring enough people to work on the game.
@@gawel772 exactly, mismanagement probably for financial reasons.
CS1 was bare bones, but it was significantly cheaper than CS2 at the time of release. There were also no expectations because CS1 came out of the blue and no one expected it to be a successful successor to the SimCity series. The main thing I remember when I played CS1 on release day is that it allowed you to do things that SimCity 2013 didn't allow you to do, and that's why everyone praised it so much back then.
Irrelevant. If they want to charge full price for a game, then it better live up to it. If they want to be treated like a small indie, then price the game accordingly
@@MrMpa31 what is full price? This game didn't cost 60$ at launch
Something I JUST found out about CS2 and appreciate it that I can put all power lines underground. That is so wonderful.
One thing I find super funny is when SimCity 2013 released people HATED that the power and sewage was auto under the roads, and praised Skylines for having you place them, and now with Skylines 2 people praise it for... having the power and sewage auto under the roads.
I did enjoy SimCity 2013 for it's coop gameplay and especially the cyberpunk DLC. We've never really seen another DLC change a whole city so dramatically before and I think we need more stuff like that, and less of the Skylines 1 DLC... to a degree.
But honestly love these videos, really puts into perspective how much games change, as well as our opinions.
I played SimCity 2013 quite a bit before CS1 came out, and this game was the nail in the coffin. Simcity was just so limited in what you could do. The freedom this game gave you compared to SimCity was such a breath of fresh air. This game instantly redefined the genre.
i think a lot of the difference in perception comes from the legacy that CS1 created and the fact that we expected this to be a bigger project that was better funded and staffed after the success of the first game. its one thing for an unproven ip to launch in a rough state as shown in the video, its another for a now well established brand with 415 dollars worth of DLC in one game to launch another broken game
Completely agree, I can half forgive the egregious amount of DLC based on version 1 being a work in progress. There is no excuse for version 2 releasing the way it did especially when they have more money and experience from the 8 years of keeping CS:1 relevant which can mostly be attributed to the work of the modders fixing the game for them. They should have hired a dev team that could actually deliver what was promised and on time but the CEO intentionally gimps her team so that she can control them easier which is something that she admits in more than one interview that she has given over the years since the launch of CS:1. When asked about if she has any concerns for the future she jokes that the biggest consideration she makes each morning is whether to drive her new Jaguar to work or to ride her pony. She has also has stated that her fantasy game to develop would be a horse grooming simulator for mobile devices. This is the person in charge of the Cities Skylines franchise which is probably the reason why version 2 had such an abysmal launch and why Paradox had to step in and take over for public relations even after they granted her a two year extension from when the sequel was originally supposed to launch in 2021.
@@thephantomchannel5368oh great the incels are spamming now
Wtf was broken about it? Every new game has bugs and patches, that's normal.
@@gladitsnotme Oh snap you got me, I'll forever refrain from ever making a comment on the internet ever again. You really put me in my place with your well crafted and logically articulated conclusion. Thank you for imparting and bestowing your wisdom onto such a lowly creature as I.
Seriously though, what in my statement made you come to the conclusion that I subscribe to the ideology of being an "incel" ? I assume it was because I called out the CEO of CO for being woefully inept at being the leader of a gaming studio. Nowhere did I state that the reason for her poor leadership was due to her being female. I judge her based on the content of her character and not based on what she has or doesn't have between her legs.
Troll harder next time.
@@gladitsnotme That shouldn't be normal. We've really been conditioned to have games be a broken buggy mess at launch with the hope that they'll fix it later which is asisine.
Recently purchased Cities Skylines: Remastered for the PS5. Loving it so far, and really appreciate your Tutoria series.
Thanks for making this. I think it was good give some perspective for launch CS1 to launch CS2 because despite its issues, I think people were a little too harsh on the CS2 devs. Yes there were issues, and yes they were pushed to release something that felt unfinished, but there was a lot there, especially in the tools, and considering how small the team was and how hard they were probably pushed by Paradox, I think they got a lot more hate than they deserved. That said, I'm glad they've taken the criticism seriously because CS2 is really turning into something great now.
Thanks for the fun stroll down memory lane. It was interesting to me because I was aware of Skylines development, but would have never bought it if SimThing 2013 hadn't been a total dumpster fire. It says a lot that even as shown Skylines was immensely better than the game that owned the genre, and was then able to grow into the genre-defining game it now is to the point that the original is now not much more than a distant memory. A couple things I noticed during the play: 1) as soon as you mentioned there was no topo view and no landscaping tools, I immediately thought of that first city you built and thought that it was probably the best that could have been done at that time, I'm happy you also thought of it later on. 2) Non-reversible roads used to drive me batty. 3) That purple fill for the pollution drove me nuts and was the thing I disliked most about the game at launch. I can't remember if that's how it still is because its been so long since I've played unmodded, but I can't imagine what they were thinking with that one. 4) Interestingly, it seems like they actually had a similar design philosophy on the economy to CS2 in that they wanted to make sure you were successful so badly that they made it near impossible to fail.
I don't usually comment, but I loved this video. I had played CS1 from day one. People have really short memories. The first 6 months asset modding was slow. CS2 feels far more mature and realistic (aside from the bugs). It makes me excited for the future of CS2.
The point you make with this video is so fair! From the very first video I saw of Cities Skylines 2 it really felt unfinished just like everyone said. But I thought immediately; Cities Skylines 1 was rubbish at first right? Cities Skylines 1 was a very beautiful game in the 8 years that it was developed. So I can't wait what Cities Skylines looks like in 5 or even 8 years! Thank you so much for proving my point with this video!!👏🏻😃
Getting flashbacks to my intro struggles to this game. It wasn't until the 9 tile limit that i discovered the mods.
As someone whose only CS experience was CS1 on the Switch, I feel your pain. Even day-one CS2 felt like a major upgrade!
I can see Phil having flashback to loans from CS2’s economy patch 😂😂😂
Fr tho, good video. 1.0 vs 1.0 is a great way to display launch versions, and the difference in philosophy.
"eyeballing things and guessing and hoping for the best" is still how I play CS lmao
This was a fun visit down memory lane!
if i remember thing correctly, in cs1 you have to right click with upgrade tool to change road direction
it feels so weird seeing it after almost 10 years. I still remember the first day when it was released
Welcome to playing this on the PS4! Ok so we have the terrain map and landscaping tools but making a nice slope as well as fitting roads is tough!
tree overlap prevention in cs2 is probably a console centric constraint to prevent a million trees from accidently occupying the same location. A good tool refinement would be if we held down alt or ctrl it overrides it.
Phil, I know you're upset about road control tools, but compared to Simcity 4 or Cities X/XL, having curve controls like this, at all, was an absolute game changer. Yes, CSII gives you precision controls but just having the power to make non-grid and also non-spaghetti roads, and in a tile larger than a shoebox, was huuuge in 2015.
Including precision tools and snapping from day zero is actually a huge upgrade in CSII that almost everyone takes for granted!
Legacy Game Preservation is hitting the nail on the head there, we might as well call out 2K/Blizzard or any Dev team to make it so we can enjoy a hassle free install and booting experience across the different versions of operating systems. It wasn't a bad thing when you had to go to prompt and type in whatever exe file to run and the game started.
your voice sounds great the way you are mixing it, but i think that making the compressor's release time a bit shorter would make it a lot more even.
keep up the great work!
Thank you for this excellent content. It was fun.
I would love to see a modern review of CS1 as is if you installed and played it as an up to date version now.
My computer (that can play MS Flight Simulator) really struggles to manage CS2 ( I haven’t tried again since the last updates, I don’t know if they did more performance improvements) but it has made me think I should get a few DLCs and try CS1 again, my PC might handle it better.
It honestly reminds me on the Switch edition, much of the features on switch either are half baked or dont existing. For example the topography view is there but cant be toggled on while building, so you have go to infoviews every time you want to check the topography.
Awesome vid, thanks for your effort in showing this to the community.
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This was such an interesting, entertaining video. Love your creative ideas! Keep em coming!
Great video! As some othernhave pointed out, its not super different from what the Switch version offers. Its almost a different game wothout qll of the DLC and QOL improvements. On the flip side, 1.0 was definitely more focused!
i miss whimsy silly nature of CS1 😪😪😭😭😭
I'm not sure when I first tried CS1 but it wasn't right at launch but I do remember trying to play vanilla for about the first six months I had the game on and off. CS was the first game I ever modded. :) My first mod was precision engineering and the first assets I remember downloading were a whole bunch of interchanges. :) I think my second gameplay mod was probably extra landscaping tools. My mod list definitely grew from there. I haven't modded my CS2 game... yet. Just restarted gameplay after the Economy 2.0 and Detailing patches and will be following along with the Ultimate Beginner's Guide series. I'd like to work through a vanilla game and all the milestones at least once before modding but we'll see if I hold out. And I'm eagerly awaiting asset availability.
I said this on an OE stream last week: I've been playing C:S1 and dealing with all its many janky bits for so long that I am excited for C:S2's all new kinds of jank!
No Tunnels!!!! Ahhhhhhhh!!!!!!
This is what I kept trying to remind people. The CS1 of now had almost a decade of improvement. While CS2 hasn't! Nine years from now Phil will be making this same video about CS2. Just give it time! CS2 is getting better!
so many people are talking about the release of CS2 a disaster -and maybe it because im coming from the Ark community and had to deal with all of their shenanigans- but i don’t personally see CS2 as a disaster. of course there are things that went wrong, but that’s because they were trying some new things while also trying to keep close to the first game, so some bugs and/or missteps are to be expected. but they are actively working to fix it and make it a better game, and listening to the community, which i see as a huge win for them!
sorry for the long comment, but i just wanted to share my opinion on the release of CS2!!
love your videos! keep up the amazing content
That Chirpy sound at 3:05 got me to automatically look at the top of the screen
Welcome to the fold my dear friend. All my RUclips series have been based on cs1 from the beginning-if you get chance look at my Blackwoods/Mini manhattan Grand Finale showcase to show what you can create as your very 1st city without mods or DLC. It was a real eye opener playing as players did from the very start.
I wasn't aware of Cities Skylines when it launched, so this is an interesting view into the past to allow for compare and contrast to CS2. Thanks CPP.
The only things I miss from base CS2 is traffic lights management, lane management, make historical building, more service assets (now its fixed), editing curveture and height of existing roads, 1tile peds road with different colors, line tool, 2way Yield and Stop signs, Toggling road zoning, absolute height when elevating roads,
I wasn't there day 1 of CS1. I came much later. IMO, the big misses in the CS2 launch were not having modding available on day 1 & not having beaches available (then selling a DLC without adding beaches). I love the direction we're headed. I'm back in the game. I'm here for the rest of the journey.
This game is still the best. Looking forward to see you continue the Bluffside Crossing fix, which was awesome 🥰
for what was out at the time and prior to it CS1 was amazing.. compared to CS2 when it launched it was a 60+ dollar side grade at best.
idk how many neighborhoods you've been in for your job, but even in seattle area the variety of house design is just about as crazy as what you're talking about
The crazy thing is that CS1 for all of its bugs and issues was still far beyond the Sim City that released at the same time. I remember having a hell of a time making it run, run well, and get it to function on the old PC I had. Colossal Order did a great job updating the game over time though, and released a lot of free stuff into the game.
It sucks that CS2 was pushed out in the state it was but we are at least moving the right direction with it.
Thanks for this memory walk and a reality check against launch of CS1 v CS2
Idk but CS II spoiled. I can’t go back to CS I without borderline hating it. There are so many quality of life improvements improvements and visually it just blows CS I out the water, and that matters a lot to me so I can get immersed in the world. Modern CS II, imo, is subjectively a way better game, unless you’re a HEAVY customizer, and even then it’s fast catching up.
Really, flat grass textures and NPC's that look grotesque and walk like zombies ? Sure they might be more detailed in certain areas but they are definitely not pleasing to look at. Personally I find the NPC's to be immersion breaking for how hideous they are. Speaking of water, do you find the water physics to be better in version 2 over version 1 ? Can you even create waterfalls in the game that don't look like gelatinous ooze ?
In CS2, just to replace your alley with a two way road with anarchy, then you move the buildings on the side that don't fit with move it. Don't need to destroy anything.
Things you notice right away: Better lighting, better growing buildings (scaffolds), better ground textures (aside of cliffs), better looking trees, more FPS, dirt textures around buildings/roads/trees etc.Also I always used a mod to hide road names and district names. It's distracting to see them.
I do enjoy 4 identical Marketplaces by the waterfront
"People" are critical of C:S2 because the devs have had that decade plus to learn that "these are the things we need to have."
I'm more critical of the "Buy this DLC, your game is dead, then buy this new one and start over."
I like how Phil is saying "Wow I can't do this" and "That isn't a thing?" a lot. You can tell he hasn't played 100% vanilla CS1 in years lol
I remember buying and playing CS1 on release, and it felt so strange and ... wrong that it took me several years to come back and finally enjoy it.