Squadron 42: The Real Reason Star Citizen Has Taken So Long
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- Опубликовано: 3 авг 2024
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An in-depth look at the single-player story-driven counterpart to Star Citizen. A big reason why Star Citizen has taken such a long time, and a big reason for the Star Citizen project in the first place.
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I really enjoy in your well written and commentary on the project overview.
the sqaudron 42 trailer gave me so much hope for the project!
Right?
I remember talking with friends on the project and saying "What they aught to do is focus on SQ42. If they can successfully release at least an episode, it proves the concept and will bring interest and support back to star citizen." Evidently I wasn't the only one thinking this and it seems to be paying off.
We'll see though. How many times did Tomato have to say "Years"? 😭
This trailer gives me hope, again, and again, and again... and this time it's probably only two years away... this time I believe.
god i want it to be true but how many times can i be given hope?
Beautiful video. Finally something to share with people who wanna know what Squadron is!! 🍅
4:15 Just wanted to say, thank god CIG abandoned the idea of manual magazine loading and went with a simple backpack reloading.
Chris Roberts‘ dedication to detail can be scary at times lol
Hey ST! I appreciate your solid and thoughtful analysis! Great overview, but I do remember something a little differently, and this could be simply my memory confusing some past events. As I remember, the original deal was Chris Roberts put Wing Commander on the back burner following the movie flop. He wanted to wait until technology had improved to permit his dream being a possibility. S42 was (as he continues to say) this generation's Wing Commander! Star Citizen was seen as the sequel (if you will) to S42. When I backed this in 2013 I understood it to be for he single-player game, and hopefully the SC MMO continuation.
Odd. I experienced the opposite. S42 has cost SC more than anything.
I'm not sure how to take that. If S42 was the intent and SC depended on it, than cost is based on the original goal of creating S42. If SC was primary and S42 was "additional", the "cost" will depend on how many players S42 will bring in once actually released, and that won't be known for at least a year (?) I get your intent (I think)..S42 has appeared to be a distraction from SC, but I guess we'll have to wait and see to make a more informed determination ;-)@@spartamerican6758
Tumultuous is an understatement for how this thing has been over the last decade. With hard work and enormous risk comes one of two things. Spectacular disaster or something incredible that will sing songs written about decades into the future. You can't know the outcome if you don't make the jump.
OH man I miss this kind of videos from youtubers, to the point, well written, no repeating talking points, really good.
Thanks for the update ST.
Great videos editing there nice work
Thank you!
It's been over 11 years now, not 10. I would expect SQ42 Q1 25 latest. That will be well over 12 years by then! 😮
How dare you say 2025 the latest, you're going to jinx it
Curious... Does "most expensive game in history" include the fact they had to develop their own game engine? In comparison, how would we determine the total cost of Starfield... when it was built upon foundations laid in all their previous games?
It's a middleware engine, Lumberyard (based on Crytek); dev cost include anything corresponding to the game like creation of assets, modifications to engine from a prior game, infrastructure, etc from the start of development.
@@Boss_Fight_Index_muki I get that, but it sounds like they've had to do an incredible amount of work on the engine to get it remotely able to handle Star Citizen. Compare this to starfield... built upon skyrim and fallout 4, etc. Starfield plays very similarly to those games. The development requirements would be significantly smaller to have the engine ready for starfield, in comparison to the crytek engine and star citizen.
It's be nice to have a more comprehensive view of the situation. Right now it's almost like saying "this game expansion cost only X, why does this brand new game with a mostly new engine cost XXXX?"
Similarly, Cyberpunk was one of the most expensive games... which was also built upon REDengine, used in previous games by that company, and was able to make use of all previous development.
@@theforgedone Say game x cost $200mil overall; 7 years later, sequel y uses game x engine (but can handle sequel y, no modification needed), all costs are for assets, content, marketing.
For your C2077 example, it's just like the above except a ton of money were also spent on overhauling 65%+ of REDEngine (not a minor change), in addition to assets, content (this is where CDPR ran out of time), and marketing.
The engine overhaul cost varies wildly case by case for new games or sequels. For add-ons (DLC or expansions) overhauling is rarely needed.
@@Boss_Fight_Index_muki Yeah, that seems a reasonable explanation. However, the cost comparisons for games does not take any of this into account. Even if RED engine was 35% the same, how much that 35% is worth? This kind of info is not taken into account in the comparison.
I just think there's more nuance needed to really understand the cost between the different companies than the cost comparison showed.
@@theforgedone It's not taken into account, only work for the new game is taken into account.
a) gen 9 Camry uses same engine as gen 8, dev cost only for new chassis, interior, etc
b) above example but with same engine [improved]: all same cost as above + cost of modifying engine
c) example [a] but with new engine (nothing in common with gen 8): all same cost as [a] + dev cost of new engine
All engineering basically follows this pattern. And yes, games are an engineered product.
Thank you for another great video!
wanderfull video i have it enjoy it a lot. the best part was it where, you talk about the sozil aspect of the game and i am realy sure that all answeres has consequenes good or bad ..and sorry about my bad english hope realy mutch people watch that video then they kow what Squaron is :))
Super straighforward. No BS. Chris Roberts is a mad man but it takes a lunatic to even attempt something like this where no other organization would dare. It's been an impressive long wait since the first days of Arena Commander a decade ago. Every time I come to check in I get a chuckle because it's actually happening. There really is nothing else like it. Not even close.
I think I will update my promise to never play until SQ42 is released. When the flight model is finally done, done done, not alomst done, I will jump into the verse. I can overlook so much but I cannot abide the effort until the flight model is finished. That's really the only sticking point. Everything else can be jank as soggy ramen.
Great summary
Thanks!
You’re the only star citizen RUclipsr I actually follow.
Thank you for this @Space Tomato! I held the Line!
“I held the Line” and holding on to hope.
Im really crossing my fingers for a fall 24 launch.
So am I
i can smell the smoke coming from my pc
Next Week Friday 17.11. starts the IAE and the Free Flight. U can test everthing for free!
i hope the gunplay is more like Cyberpunk2077 and less like Starfield
Doesn‘t quite look like it, but it will definitely be better than starfield
feels alittle like BF/R6
There is so much confusion from outsiders who are looking in, about SQ42 and SC.
A lot of it from content creators.
This helps clear up some of the confusion, but not likely enough to reach the masses.
As much as I am all for immersion, I'd like some easy access to the gameplay mechanics of the game.
Need to read about squad 42, not sure how to play it, love fps portion of the game.
Morphologist said base on statements that it’s possible we see S42 in 12 months. The Idris is slated to release with S42.’, and later it was stated that the Idris was 12 Months out.
yeah and that's an optimistic interpretation, they are targeting the holiday cycle and as yet it hasn't been play tested by people outside CIG, so if they end up with feedback it can potentially miss that window and then you're back to the next cycle.
@@123Andersonevthing is they are purposely not saying a release date. The info we got seems accidental
Reading between the lines, based off statements at CitizenCon, SQ42 should be released in the next 12 months. End of Q3 or sometime in Q4 2024.
I wouldn't go around spreading this idea.
If it gets traction, and fails to happen. You're only allowing fuel for the nay sayers.
Star Field was over hyped by the web, and look how that went.
Hype is one thing, over hype is a whole other.
Half life was a rudimentary shooter with PHENOMIAL acting, setpieces and fun physics puzzles. Most people don't realize the AI in halflife is dumb as a brick, it's how the enemies APPEAR to respond and have been placed, set to spawn in cinematic ways that gives the appearance of intellegence.
The addition of little puzzles and breaks in the gameplay of SC could be the bit of spice that makes it legendary on top of the acting and story.
gud vid
Within 24 months is my guess as well, but I think it's important for people to understand that it's not at all unlikely it could be double that - or maybe even never. The game has received a lot of funding, but running a studio with over 1000 people is expensive as all hell. If their funding dries up within the next few years, they are going to go bankrupt surprisingly fast.
Which is probably why they're in the business of selling hopes and dreams, because they actually do need that funding, they need people to stay interested. There's no way to make these games without a recurring annual revenue.
And what happens when we're already on PS7 etc and on drastically different engines and they have to keep updating it for all of that?
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I don't know man 24 months or more sounds a little crazy for a game that is complete that just needs to be polished and optimized.. I mean they even said they're pulling people off of SQ42 to put them back on the PU and if it was going to take 2 years I don't think they would have done that I'm sure there's quite a few people there pulling off that have intimate knowledge about some of the things and systems and set pieces all that stuff and SQ42.. I just don't think they would come out and tell everybody that the games complete and just needs polishing if it was going to take more than a year because they know they would get absolutely hounded once they said that
They said "the graphics hardware didn't exist yet to run the game." Well, I have the Alpha hardware to cope so please release me, let me go. Fly me to the stars, and don't forget....no-one can hear your screams in space. I hope i don't become ashthmatic in space.
Polishing for 2 years is toooo much time. Why you think so, Tomato?
So.. is this supposed to be for current gen consoles?
Ew, hope not 😊
Expected release of 2146
Is it the most expensive game?
Plenty of other games, make and cost more money
Not sure. But saying it’s a scam is funny, as many addictive mobile games make a billion a year, and so does shitty copy paste stuff like fifa with gambling for kids
i think morphologists estimate of "within 12 months" based on "the idris wont release until Sq42 does" Plus "the Idiris will release in 12months" sounds....almost believable?
Just remember that's an optimistic guess that CIG is hoping they can achieve. There's likely to be unexpected issues that take more time.
Get ready for the hate mail from the clowns on spectrum that have denied what you have said in this video. The PU was to be first, and SQ42 was a side game. This last Citcon proved allot of people right that SQ42 was pulling resources and money away from the PU. Now that it is "feature ready" the PU damn well better improve at a very fast pace now and there is no excuse now.
The developers also stated couple of years back features would be implemented into SQ42 first before making their way into the PU.
The PU we have today was not meant to be, originally. So the original idea was more like SQ42 in a SP/Co-Op format on a huge galactic scale.
Only after the accident of fully explorable planets happened, did CIG post a pole, and ask the community if we wanted an expanded game. 85%ish voted yes in 2014,15. Then the scope began to expand into the MMO PU we have today, known as Star Citizen.
Read the kick starter page to see the original scope. Then it expanded fast (feature creep) as the interest and funding exploded beyond expectation.
Be sure to watch the pitch video.
You can say we are getting more than pitched, rather than cut backs for budget and time.
I am getting way more than I originally paid for. I truly feel scammed.
The Kickstarter in Oct 2012 was for a game no different to Starfield but with a co op mode to fight the Vanduul called Squadron 42
The MMO wasnt even considered possible, nor procedural planets, which we voted on in 2015 when CIG Patented Object Container Streaming.
Both modes became their own games, with SC becoming an MMO
Its been eight years since active development on both began
Same time as Starfield
@@festersmith8352I backed the original Kickstarter and was expecting the single player game and the MMO from the very beginning. The Kickstarter page says the game will consist of:
"Single Player - Offline or Online(Drop in / Drop out co-op play)
Persistent Universe (hosted by US)"
I just watched the Kickstarter video again and he says that you don't even have to play Squadron 42 if you don't want to, you can just go straight to the open universe where they will be adding new content every two weeks.
@@Uncanny_MountainNot true. See my comment above.
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Tomato always gets this wrong: The bulk of development isn't just for Squadron 42. Squadron 42 was simply getting the priority. They found creating something inside a single player game first is easier to reiterate and improve than a live service product. That way when it gets ported to SC it feels more finished.
To say "this is where most of the effort went" is completey wrong. Almost everything that you see in Squadron 42 will be in Star Citizen. The ships, the locations, the gameplay, the planets, armor, weapons, all of it. What you probably won't see are the characters, dialog and animations made for Squadron 42. Thats not "where most of the effort went".
Chris Roberts said himself on 10 for the Chairman that he estimates 1/3rd of the development is only in Squadron 42, 1/3 is only Star Citizen, and the other third is both. So "most of the effort" could be SC since that's also 2/3rds of the content. The SQ42 map system tech isn't just for Squadron 42. It was simply made there first. This just a multiplayer content creator annoyed that his game isn't getting the priority he wants. I get it.
Even if you never play Squadron 42 you will experience most of what Squadron 42 will offer. The entire Odin system (where SQ42 takes place) will be in Star Citizen, & fully explorable! On the flip side, you don't have to spend hundreds on spaceships to fly them because many of the military ships are playable in Squadron 42.
Players will want to play Squadron 42, and want to continue playing once the game is over. Guess what? That was just one star system! There's additional content (Stanton, Pyro and possibly Nyx) that they can play! They can even explore the Odin system as well. SQ42 will act like a 30+ hour tutorial for most of what they'll be doing in the 'verse. SQ42 will only help SC.
These comments come to me, for what it's worth.
I'm not saying this stuff isn't going to Star Citizen, but the company leadership themselves explained that the bulk of developers were working on Squadron 42 assets. Yeah, they'll get into Star Citizen, that goes without saying imo, but that doesn't make it wrong that most of the effort went to that game, it shows.
No, you got this wrong. It was all initially developed in and for squadron, now it’s being brought over to sc. So yes, 80% of development went into squadron so far
Always 2 years from release. Way to keep the meme going Tomato.
Who said 2 years?
@@deivoc4950 it is a meme. Numerous content creators have been speculating about sq42 being two years from release since about the beginning of the project.
@@criseichenlaub6527 well the mistake is from who follow content creators deadlines
@@deivoc4950 generally speaking, content creators are just regurgitating news put out by devs and cig marketing. With rare exceptions, these predictions are not really "deadlines." However, the meme has uniformly been "just two more years till release." Even Tomato just said he expects release in the next 24 months.
@@criseichenlaub6527 yea but all depends, during developing things change quickly, I was speaking about this with my brother (he’s a software engineer) all depends on what they want to prioritise. Building 2 games of this scale and expectations in 10/11 years is already among human possibilities.
I’m more for star citizen than sq42 but hopefully we get a nice Christmas gift next year, we’ll see
The game sure is moving away from "sim" and becoming more and more "arcade". And I don't like it. And there are some parts in the demos I really didn't like. For example just pressing a key to fix a problem. "Here's a stuck door we can't get through! How are we gonna solve this problem I wonder? Oh.. just press F". Like, what is even the point of that? "Dang it the gun jammed! Now what?! Oh, just press R". ZZZzzzZZZZzzz
The gun jamming button is just to simulate the time it takes to fix a gun jam. The added time will cause stress by taking you out of the fight or making you switch weapons. That sounds good enough to me. I don't need an unjamming mini-game.
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