Oh yeah, I remember that back them. Eddie gave ride to transgender I was very shocked. I said Eddie, Seem like sweep under the rug. Well Eddie Murphy denied 😂 back them.
Because they weren't. The notion that you can change your gender is false, and utterly ludicrous. This is common knowledge to most people. Proponents of the pride movement started to fabricate new identies, ideologies, and morals in an attempt to justify and conceal the perversion/ degeneracy that permeates their community. There's no factual foundational basis to modern gender ideology, they just expect you to believe it while propagating fallacies. Notice how the goal post changed from "sex and gender are different," to now referring trans women as male to females? Exactly. It's not meant to be consistent or make sense, you're just expected to believe it at face value. It went from "let us live" to forcing everyone to conform to their delusions to validate an identity that they themseleves don't even believe in very quick. Their real agenda is dark and predatory, which is why they're targeting the most vulnerable and impressionable demographic to instil their values in ie. children. I'm 19, and the amount of children that are actively being groomed into transitioning is staggering. Not to mention most of these kids are on the spectrum or either neurodivergent, consequently making them even more vulnerable to radical ideologies/echo chambers online. They know what they're doing. Honestly, if Octavia was alive today, I don't think he'd approve of what's currently going on. However, I do respect his honesty, perseverance, and ambition while also unapologetically being himself.
Because they weren't. The notion that you can change your gxnder is false, and utterly ludicrous. This is common knowledge to most people. Proponents of the pride mxvement started to fabricate new identies, ideolxgies, and morals in an attempt to justify and conceal the pervxrsion/dxgeneracy that permeates their community. There's no fxctual foundational basis to modern gxnder ideolxgy, they just expect you to believe it while propagating fallacies. Notice how the goal post changed from "sex and gxnder are different," to now referring trxns women as mxle to females? Exactly. It's not meant to be consistent or make sense, you're just expected to believe it at face value. It went from "let us live" to fxrcing everyone to conform to their delusixns to vxlidate an identity that they themseleves don't even believe in very quick. Their real agxnda is dark and predxtory, which is why they're txrgeting the most vulnerable and impressionable demographic to instil their values in ie. children. I'm 19, and the amount of childrxn that are actively being grxxmed into trxnsitioning is staggering. Not to mention most of these kids are on the spectrum or either neurodivergent, consequently making them even more vulnerable to rxdical ideologies/echo chambers online. They know what they're doing. Honestly, if Octxvia was alive today, I don't think he'd approve of what's currently going on. However, I do respect his honesty, perseverance, and ambition while also unapologetically being himself. Also yes, I misspelled things purposely so youtube wouldn't mxderate this comment.
Cos they had more common sense back then. Trans-women are Trans-women. To say Trans-women are women is to ERASE the trans part... (which is transphobic, irony...) And how did we go from the 90's of 'I'm more than a label' to 'all I am is a label', and making it everyone's business.
International news! News reach the U.K. It was big news here in London at time and we still talk about it. No one here believe Eddie story. And I still don't!
Yes but they both added conflicting context. He said he was trapped. If you are right, she’s just injecting herself into a national news story. That ain’t much better..
I have come to learn that the men that are openly disrespectful to women or abusive usually are the same type that end up being DL. They end up hating what they cannot be. Especially if they cannot openly live out their truth. Eddie is giving me that personality type.
Or they might not necessarily want to be a woman, but they hate the fact that they don’t have the courage to openly be with who they would prefer to be with…another man. They feel frustrated that they have to pretend to like women.
Eddie Murphy is well known for dating Porsche a transgender this was during the same time he was dating Nicole and denied their first baby. Porsche was also dating a New York Knicks basketball player right after. Everybody knew about him loving transgenders. That's why everyone thought Nicole was a man, even though she's a model and has his 5 children.
Everyone knows? 🤣.. Then why is eddie the one that actually gave birth? .. Some people just blindly believe EVERYTHING that the tv "says".. nicole, wore the moonbump fake belly for the idolaters like they all do for that role, when NO real woman wants cameras of any kind around her when pregnant, full hair and make-up, 5 inch heels, etc.. exposing the precious cargo baby onboard belly to the world.. only the real women get the swollen EVERYTHING.. they don't have a two weeks later after delivery beach body photo shoot ONLY the "famous" male to female "women" seem to pull that off.. No stretch marks, no saggy nothing, they're somehow different than the vast majority of real women.. 🤔 eddie, was atleast six months pregnant in the sequel to Coming to America, but the idolaters didn't seem to notice.. eddie, pushed all of children those out. mel b is built lean just like these other male to females, NO subcutaneous fat whatsoever!! 🤣😂.. it's amazing! The so-called "elite" IDOLS keep their reproductive parts for their posterity, their dynasty, like jay z and beyonce: clearly, jay gave birth because men cannot give birth and beyonce is male; blue looks just like his mom-dad, jay z.. You'd be pretty hard pressed to find an IDOL, 1 who isn't castrati or reverso.. It's obvious the secular do not see, its easier to say eddie is gay when she literally has no masculine markers at all, yet the "women" she's associated with ALL HAVE masculine markers, because we cannot change our skeleton or our anatomy- they do not lie. At best, they can augment, but they cannot say that men and women are interchangeable, anatomically. eddie's son-daughters LOOK just like a bunch of little octavias.. all we gotta do is look and sharpen that spiritual discernment, but idolatry which is witchcraft, IS strong.. and getting stronger. : The idolaters, will "defend" their idols, so they don't even have to defend themselves, now that's what I call some strong qabbalah esotericist juju.. 👀! I wonder, if this is just one of the ways in which the devil, old ha'satan, hath deceived THE WHOLE WORLD..🤔 They have sold a boy, for a harlot..
The fact that Eddie made that "Boogie In Ya B*tt" song back in the day told me EVERYTHING I ever needed to know about his proclivities! How quickly we've been allowed to forget that!
Ha yes ma’am ! I remember that song Dr. Demento (DJ) would play that song quite a bit on radio it was funny to me when I was a little girl but now it makes a lot sense now that I decided to listen to this song again it was lot going on thanks for reminding me it made me laugh “Say Put me in your b*tt”. lol Now tbf this album was for a stand up comedy parody in his early career I remember owing a vhs tape (my mother loved her some Edwina) but you know what they say ‘there’s a grain of truth in every joke’👀.
I lived in LA in the early 90’s. There was a club called Peanuts that had a Trans girl night. I had a friend who was mid-transition and it was from her that I found out about Eddie Murphy, long before it hit the tabloids. All the T-girls knew him. My friend also claimed to have dated Dolph Lundgren (not sure about that one) - it was well known that a whole lot of straight male celebrities were not as straight as they seemed or claimed to be. Glad that is now common knowledge
My ex coworker used to be a punk rocker on Hollywood Blvd. He and some buddies saw Eddie in a fancy red car, and Eddie invited them to get in a come over. My co workers gay friends went with him. They said he was really nice and paid well. That was in the 80’s 🤷🏾♀️
Ahh I can believe the Dolph story he came to San Antonio back in the late 80s early 90s he was promoting something anyway he came to a gay mixed straight club called the tree Bonham Exchange and he was very friendly with a lot of the trans girls so I don't find that rumor to far fetched 😏
This is why Eddie is engaged to Paige. They'll probably be together for the balance of their lives because her type is more tolerant of his orientation.
Thank you for showing love to Paris Is Burning, and the people in the documentary itself. It was a beautiful film, and the backstories were both touching and heartbreaking. I remember a very young girl in it who they said was found murdered, and I’ve always wondered if her killer was ever found. I didn’t realize until I heard your commentary on Octavia’s words that most of the people in that documentary are no longer with us. I'm going to watch it again this week...
I watched Paris is burning 4 times. Her last words will stay with me forever as am treating bmy mother for cancer. RIP Octavia, yiu have inspired me❤🕊️🕊️🕊️
Not tryna be funny but there were some clips where Octavia looked crazy similar to Nicole Murphy.... Great video Karine. If I were famous and exceptional, I would want nobody but u to tell my story. U r pure GRACE N CLASS🙏🏾
And oddly enough Nicole looks way more masculine than Octovia. I always felt that Eddie was attracted to Nicole because of her androgynous look. Seems like a lot of closeted gay men or bisexual men like an androgynous looking biological women. Just been my observation but I'm not the be all that ends all.
She was gorgeous and her feisty spirit shined so bright😍. I’m thankful that you even covered her because I never knew who she was and I had that boomerang clip saved in my gallery for ages. Not to mention you did it with grace and respect to the trans identified women in this video. Much appreciation!🙏🏾❤️
I clicked immediately when i saw this thumbnail! So excited that you're talking about Octavia!!!! 🎉 She's such an icon, such a beautiful spirit and o, an amazing human being. Rest in peace and power Octavia 🙏❣️🎉
@@ericaminnis4676 yes stop wearing bonnets and house shoes Keisha just another b-dub trying to say a black man is gay tear him down I'm so glad I avoid y'all Keishas 🤢🤮
@@stephi6792 Exactly. He has gone OUT OF HIS WAY to make fun of gay people, and he is clearly gay himself and falls under LGBTQ. Murphy just isn't brave enough to admit it.
That's why I Eddie Murphy had all those kids to prove that he's not gay😂😂😂😂 but I think he loves men also we have to remember he let Johnny Gill stay on his couch for a couple of years there and we all know Johnny Gill don't have no kids, no wife,no girlfriend 🤗🤗🤔
Thank you so much for this !!! Being a femqueen ( transwoman ) in the ballroom scene , it feels great to see one of our idols represented so nicely . Thank you ❤️❤️
yes at least Octavia was honest with herself and not a hypocrite. That is commendable. We live in a cruel world where people with money will have people murdered...it is terrible!
@@Kim-ze5gc Did I say Octavia wasn’t? You can be born male and still be intersex. Dominique Jackson from the show Pose was born a male and started to develop as the opposite gender during puberty.
@@gitslover9834Exactly some people need to be educated that this is a thing. As well as being born a hermaphrodite. Some people are literally born with both, just like being born with other gene mutations that cause other things. It’s science…lol
This is a very well documented and narrated story of a fascinating person. Your phrase, "tornado of hurt" is both a tender and eviscerating statement about the pain of not living your life honestly.
Octavia was absolutely gorgeous. Also I agree with you. If you can’t live in your truth, and are ashamed, don’t indulge in that lifestyle. Simple as that
@@Joie_totheworld because with her being upfront, it gives whomever she might of had sexual relates with the opportunity to decide whether or not to deal with her like that. Transgender being dishonest or misleading has gotta many of them hurt or killed. Also it shows she wasn’t disillusioned by what she really was.
@@blkanv1502 if you look (GOOGLE) most of the cases of transgender women they were MURDERED BY MEN THAT KNEW WHO THEY WERE- just like in this video you just watched EDDIE KNEW and wanted it to just go away.Most of the time it’s NOT about the woman being honest it’s about these men not living in their truth and are willing to do ANYTHING to keep things 🤫
I know my comment will get lost in the shuffle but if you ever see this, I wanna give you your flowers because can’t nobody do a document like you do you really get in it. I’m biased and just raw and uncut and I love it. Good luck to you.
"Theres no woman out there that can stand next to me"... "there's no woman out there with these measurements". We shouldn't skip over these frases just because she was an icon. These are odd statements that show a slight swntiment of superiority over cis women. We should acknowledge that too.
Exactly! May Octavia and all who rose to prominence in the gay ball culture who passed away rest in peace! Paris is Burning is a MUST see for the Black LGBTQ community. 😔🙏🏾❤️🕊️💐
Not Octavia giving out her measurements as if they weren't enhanced by many SURGERIES lol so that's not the knock on or proper COMPARISON on bio women that it may have intended to be. Nevertheless, this is a great video and I definitely enjoyed Octavia as with alot of the Paris Is Burning crew. Fascinating stuff.
Yes!!! I agree. People should be honest and live in there truth. That way you won’t hurt anyone. She lived her life on her terms. I don’t think Octavia was bitter at all. Thank you for sharing!!❤️👍
Thank you so much for doing this video. Octavia Saint Laurent is my auntie her sister is Carmen extravaganza, also her daughter. Carmen would often tell me so many stories about Octavia as she would mentor me since I was a teenager. This video makes me feel so powerful especially in what I do and that I could continue the mission, and there dreams and aspirations can breathe through me. I really enjoy your videos and I wish you all the success.
Thank you for your short documentary! I just came across Octavia a few minutes ago through a RUclips Short video and I was so intrigued by her that I had to look her up. Crazy I actually saw her in photos before I even knew her name. She was so strong, honest, and outspoken. And I admire her work ethic and determination to create her own path in life. So inspiring!
She was absolutely beautiful! I love your channel & the way you give the back story from the very beginning with context. You provide a wealth of info about your subjects! You're doing an excellent job utilizing your platform to educate & bring awareness ✨️♥️✨️♥️✨️
Especially when it’s Black men involved, had this been Weinstein( her and her buddy Okra’s friend) she wouldn’t have said shit or she would’ve defended Weinstein
Oh my God, how did I find you?? ✨️🌼💖Your voice is so soothing, and you so eloquently frame her life with the realities, but you are so damn respectful of the powerhouse she was! I really really fcking appreciate it 💗💗💗💖💖💖💖💖 The rainbow babies would find their voices so much easier if they would research into our ancestors, that paved our way with literal blood, sweat, and tears.
“Bitter” is always a word thrown around when a major violation has been committed. When we hear “bitter”, we should immediately start evaluating the situation for the truth, because someone is deflecting 😮
Before I watch, Karine I want to thank you for bringing members of our community to your platform, especially my beautiful Trans-sisters. I really appreciate this. I also want to thank you being a mentor for me as well, and giving me as I like to put it “Big sis” talk lol. Love Ya✨
I roll with the house of extravaganza in NY, half of my friends were in the tv show Pose and Octavia was my best friends trans mother. Thank you so much for making this @KarineAlourde I’ll have to show them 🫶🏽🫶🏽🫶🏽
I'm glad she did too. Octavia had it going on and needed some recognition. But I did not know she was close to the trans women that were getting with Eddie but that makes sense because Toni Newman, the transgender that was picked up by LL Cool J and Mr Cee also was out in those Ny streets and saw Eddie come out alot to pick up trans women as well. I just learned about Octavia a few years ago when I watched Paris Burning and just had to know who is this stunning beauty and is she still living. I was happy to see she made it longer than expected after the movie but sad to see she passed from her complications.
Thank you so much for this, I remember hearing her name when I was a kid. And then of course the Eddie Murphy thing. But I did not know quite a bit about her and now that I do, what an icon.
Asa young girl I always said Eddie is not into women and if he is into women he likes big women. He partnered with Nicole for his image. Fast forward to all these Hollyweird stories including Johnny Gill living with Eddie as his "roommate."
@@RahYisrael99It's funny because when Tracy Edmonds married him, she said Babyface warned her not to marry him. I wonder why? They divorced quickly. Nicole was just a high priced beard which is why he paid her 1 million for each child. It's got to be a miserable life for man to constantly live in secret and not live his truth.
To Octavia and all of the beautiful cast of Paris is burning ,alive and dead. I don’t think these people will ever know how iconic they are and were ,how much they changed so many lives. They truly were cultural heroes that created something so powerful and wonderful.❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤ from the moment I watched this documentary. All of their stories forever made Mark in the softest spot of my heart.
☕️ Bobby Browns oldest sister and assistant to Whitney said that Whitney told her why her and Eddie stopped dating. She said Whitney told her that Eddie received a call at her home from his "lover". Bobby Browns sister has not been sued and did not say allegedly. ☕️
Oh wow, I just saw this as a suggestion.. Then I saw that it was posted by you ! What a nice surprise, good on you to feature Octavia ! I found out about her from 'Paris is burning'
In Thailand, they call transgendered individuals “the 3rd” sex and they are pretty much respected in their country. I often wonder in America, if we took the male vs. female debate out of it, and just use the term “3rd” sex (which would be transgendered individuals) would there be so much fighting? Anyway, thank you for remembering Octavia’s life in a respectful, kind and loving manner. She was one of the good ones ❤
I think that would be wonderful but there are a lot of people that are proud for being ignorant. They call it traditional and values but like so many people couldn't be themselves back then either but I really think it will take some time to create the 3rd gender or identity just like it did for gay rights back in the early 2010s
that’s exactly it. they don’t want their own lane. they want to be lumped together and seen as bio women. THATS where the fighting starts. idgaf how they want to look and dress but you’re not going to tell me you’re the same as me a bio female!
the 3rd sex thing are lady boys that are just a fetish(thailand has trans women too) trans women have gender dysphoria which comes from the womb,its different❤
@@JuJuForREAL true I respect gay and transpeople, but after hearing some of them forcing a competition with women I don't think so! Women have been through enough we're not gonna fight. They are still men and can fight amongst themselves. Since war and fighting is the male spirit !! They aren't women and they never will be women! They can have their own bathrooms. Men will Fck anyone dead or alive .
I am not here to judge anyone but Ms Octavia St Laurent lived her life even though she was born a male,I may not know much about her but she had a fighting spirit within herself,she will be missed rest peacefully in heaven.
@@sakuraesther6309THATS RIGHT SHE WAS NOT A WOMEN AND SHE WAS NOT A MEN SHE WAS A SPIRITUAL BEING LIVING IN A HUMANBODY AS A VEHICLE TO TRANSPORT IT AND BE A ACTIVIST AND A FIGHTER FOR THE GAYS RIGHTS AS A HUMAN BEING.ON THIS CRUEL JUDGMENTAL EARTH.
OMG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! @KarineAlourde I know you and I don't always see eye to eye. But I already know this story. This is going to be a good one!💞💞🙏🏿🙏🏿🙏🏿🙏🏿🙏🏿🙏🏿🙏🏿🙏🏿
The fact that society tries to act like Trans women just fell on the earth yesterday is crazy. We should have been so far and progressed with the acceptance of Trans women into society.
I’ve always loved Octavia, thank you for featuring her. I wish she and the many from this documentary were still here because i feel they all had more to offer the world. R.I.P. to Octavia, Venus, Willie and the others from Paris is burning that HIV took.
Great video🙏🏾 I loved her in “Paris is Burning” and really wanted her to win. She was stunningly beautiful and sooo ambitious, she was ahead of her time🙏🏾❤️🥰👑
There are plenty in Hollywood that are actress and actors. Also, everyday people. I’ve heard about this story in the 90’s , in the Black Hair Salon gossip. I was younger and I heard a lot gossip from the menz. This is where I heard about Whitney and Robin and other entertainers that people are just finding out about. Eddie M first wife , Nicole looks similar to Octavia. The TV POSE highlighted the ballroom lifestyle.
@@pb9695how do you know this doesn’t effect their life? This affects anyone from the LGBTQ+ community especially trans ppl. Just because you aren’t part of a particular community or you have different views doesn’t negate someone else’s experiences
@@pb9695Why are you watching this video since there are more important things going on in this country??? There must be something you want to know. 🤣✌🏾💯
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I was just re-watching the 2005 documentary lol
I wish you would’ve included the video of 2003 where she was talking at a college. She dropped sooo much tea in the video.
You should do one on Tracy Africa 💜💜💜 sn- I had the pleasure of meeting Octavia inside a dinner very sweet woman 💝
So SORRY… either you are male or female
The whole world is F-up trying to make you accept this BS
@@KarineAlourde the title should be: A couple of THOTs tell on themselves then blame the industry for it
I remember that Eddie Murphy scandal. I think some of us were shocked and, of course, the excuse he gave no one believed it.
Being shocked about anything that happens in Hollyweird tells me people still idolize celebrities. They’re just human beings
That was the funniest excuse lmao
@@natashka1982I wasn’t born when this went down, what did he say??
@@slurpee4203 literally said he goes out at 4am and gives money to hookers to help them as charity
Oh yeah, I remember that back them. Eddie gave ride to transgender I was very shocked. I said Eddie, Seem like sweep under the rug. Well Eddie Murphy denied 😂 back them.
Nicole Murphy gives Ballroom Scene FACE, so Eddie has a type
Yep!!
Katt said.....😂😂😂
I just hollered …. She is face category all day
@@lebou9540 lol
This part... truth is as truth does😂😂
Shalimar was murdered. I heard about this story back in the day when it happened. She was unalived to keep her quiet. So sad!
Eddie did that shyt.
@@datgurlky1no he didn’t! Are you serious?
@@datgurlky1yes!
I thought it was AIDS related...
WHO IS SHALAMAR
I knew her personally. She was truly a bold fabulous soul. May she R.I.P.
Did she ever speak to you about eddie
How come trans women back in the day knew they were not biological women?
Because they weren't. The notion that you can change your gender is false, and utterly ludicrous. This is common knowledge to most people. Proponents of the pride movement started to fabricate new identies, ideologies, and morals in an attempt to justify and conceal the perversion/ degeneracy that permeates their community. There's no factual foundational basis to modern gender ideology, they just expect you to believe it while propagating fallacies.
Notice how the goal post changed from "sex and gender are different," to now referring trans women as male to females? Exactly. It's not meant to be consistent or make sense, you're just expected to believe it at face value. It went from "let us live" to forcing everyone to conform to their delusions to validate an identity that they themseleves don't even believe in very quick.
Their real agenda is dark and predatory, which is why they're targeting the most vulnerable and impressionable demographic to instil their values in ie. children. I'm 19, and the amount of children that are actively being groomed into transitioning is staggering. Not to mention most of these kids are on the spectrum or either neurodivergent, consequently making them even more vulnerable to radical ideologies/echo chambers online. They know what they're doing.
Honestly, if Octavia was alive today, I don't think he'd approve of what's currently going on. However, I do respect his honesty, perseverance, and ambition while also unapologetically being himself.
Because they weren't. The notion that you can change your gxnder is false, and utterly ludicrous. This is common knowledge to most people. Proponents of the pride mxvement started to fabricate new identies, ideolxgies, and morals in an attempt to justify and conceal the pervxrsion/dxgeneracy that permeates their community. There's no fxctual foundational basis to modern gxnder ideolxgy, they just expect you to believe it while propagating fallacies.
Notice how the goal post changed from "sex and gxnder are different," to now referring trxns women as mxle to females? Exactly. It's not meant to be consistent or make sense, you're just expected to believe it at face value. It went from "let us live" to fxrcing everyone to conform to their delusixns to vxlidate an identity that they themseleves don't even believe in very quick.
Their real agxnda is dark and predxtory, which is why they're txrgeting the most vulnerable and impressionable demographic to instil their values in ie. children. I'm 19, and the amount of childrxn that are actively being grxxmed into trxnsitioning is staggering. Not to mention most of these kids are on the spectrum or either neurodivergent, consequently making them even more vulnerable to rxdical ideologies/echo chambers online. They know what they're doing.
Honestly, if Octxvia was alive today, I don't think he'd approve of what's currently going on. However, I do respect his honesty, perseverance, and ambition while also unapologetically being himself. Also yes, I misspelled things purposely so youtube wouldn't mxderate this comment.
EXACTLY!!!!! Something is very different these days!!!!
They had common sense
Cos they had more common sense back then. Trans-women are Trans-women. To say Trans-women are women is to ERASE the trans part... (which is transphobic, irony...) And how did we go from the 90's of 'I'm more than a label' to 'all I am is a label', and making it everyone's business.
I can see how she inspired so many characters in Pose -- especially Blanca. Thank you for sharing diverse and fascinating life stories. ❤
Oh yes 🙌🏼
Yes I see it
I loved Pose,
Yessss
And Candi…
She didn't expose anybody. Eddie's arrest was national news
Sure was
International news! News reach the U.K. It was big news here in London at time and we still talk about it. No one here believe Eddie story. And I still don't!
Sure was.... I was like 10 years old and that shit was on CNN!
Yup.. someone chasing clout again
Yes but they both added conflicting context. He said he was trapped. If you are right, she’s just injecting herself into a national news story. That ain’t much better..
I have come to learn that the men that are openly disrespectful to women or abusive usually are the same type that end up being DL. They end up hating what they cannot be. Especially if they cannot openly live out their truth. Eddie is giving me that personality type.
There's a minister named Roderickus Pickens who posted on this.
Or they might not necessarily want to be a woman, but they hate the fact that they don’t have the courage to openly be with who they would prefer to be with…another man. They feel frustrated that they have to pretend to like women.
Lmaooooo 😂😂 oh brother
Agree
@@tearuffin5711 Diddy!!
Eddie Murphy is well known for dating Porsche a transgender this was during the same time he was dating Nicole and denied their first baby. Porsche was also dating a New York Knicks basketball player right after. Everybody knew about him loving transgenders. That's why everyone thought Nicole was a man, even though she's a model and has his 5 children.
What NBA player u talking about
Yeah I'm curious to know which NBA player too 😂😅
@@Bigp1077 right lol
Nicole was just a well paid beard. Eddie paid her 1 million to have each kid to hide his DL lifestyle.
Everyone knows? 🤣..
Then why is eddie the one that actually gave birth? ..
Some people just blindly believe EVERYTHING that the tv "says"..
nicole, wore the moonbump fake belly for the idolaters like they all do for that role, when NO real woman wants cameras of any kind around her when pregnant, full hair and make-up, 5 inch heels, etc.. exposing the precious cargo baby onboard belly to the world..
only the real women get the swollen EVERYTHING.. they don't have a two weeks later after delivery beach body photo shoot ONLY the "famous" male to female "women" seem to pull that off..
No stretch marks, no saggy nothing, they're somehow different than the vast majority of real women.. 🤔
eddie, was atleast six months pregnant in the sequel to Coming to America,
but the idolaters didn't seem to notice..
eddie, pushed all of children those out.
mel b is built lean just like these other male to females, NO subcutaneous fat whatsoever!! 🤣😂.. it's amazing!
The so-called "elite" IDOLS keep their reproductive parts for their posterity, their dynasty, like jay z and beyonce: clearly, jay gave birth because men cannot give birth and beyonce is male; blue looks just like his mom-dad, jay z..
You'd be pretty hard pressed to find an IDOL, 1 who isn't castrati or reverso..
It's obvious the secular do not see, its easier to say eddie is gay when she literally has no masculine markers at all, yet the "women" she's associated with ALL HAVE masculine markers, because we cannot change our skeleton
or our anatomy- they do not lie.
At best, they can augment, but they cannot say that men and women are interchangeable, anatomically.
eddie's son-daughters LOOK just like a bunch of little octavias..
all we gotta do is look and sharpen that spiritual discernment, but idolatry which is witchcraft, IS strong..
and getting stronger.
: The idolaters, will "defend" their idols, so they don't even have to defend themselves, now that's what I call some strong qabbalah esotericist juju.. 👀!
I wonder, if this is just one of the ways in which the devil, old ha'satan,
hath deceived THE WHOLE WORLD..🤔
They have sold a boy, for a harlot..
The fact that Eddie made that "Boogie In Ya B*tt" song back in the day told me EVERYTHING I ever needed to know about his proclivities! How quickly we've been allowed to forget that!
Ha yes ma’am ! I remember that song Dr. Demento (DJ) would play that song quite a bit on radio it was funny to me when I was a little girl but now it makes a lot sense now that I decided to listen to this song again it was lot going on thanks for reminding me it made me laugh “Say Put me in your b*tt”. lol Now tbf this album was for a stand up comedy parody in his early career I remember owing a vhs tape (my mother loved her some Edwina) but you know what they say ‘there’s a grain of truth in every joke’👀.
Wait what!?? 😂😂😂 I’m about to ask my mom about this, just right in our face
😂😂😂 I remember that song.
He DID make that stupid "@$$ed" song 🎵 🙄 😐 😑 😒. Now I gotta go "revisited" it!!!
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I lived in LA in the early 90’s. There was a club called Peanuts that had a Trans girl night. I had a friend who was mid-transition and it was from her that I found out about Eddie Murphy, long before it hit the tabloids. All the T-girls knew him. My friend also claimed to have dated Dolph Lundgren (not sure about that one) - it was well known that a whole lot of straight male celebrities were not as straight as they seemed or claimed to be. Glad that is now common knowledge
You found out from him
My ex coworker used to be a punk rocker on Hollywood Blvd. He and some buddies saw Eddie in a fancy red car, and Eddie invited them to get in a come over. My co workers gay friends went with him. They said he was really nice and paid well. That was in the 80’s 🤷🏾♀️
Ahh I can believe the Dolph story he came to San Antonio back in the late 80s early 90s he was promoting something anyway he came to a gay mixed straight club called the tree Bonham Exchange and he was very friendly with a lot of the trans girls so I don't find that rumor to far fetched 😏
Also, Dolph Lundgren used to date Grace Jones for a while. So, not shocked
Argue with ur mom.
This is why Eddie is engaged to Paige. They'll probably be together for the balance of their lives because her type is more tolerant of his orientation.
I agree ! I know alot of down low men with women like her !
My thoughts exactly. Some even believe that BM with palm colored woman are DL.
🫢 riiight. That's probably why so many of them marry/date ...😮
Yall sound like scorned people. Lol,
When people ask what’s the secret to some long “successful” marriages some of their secret is turning a blind eye to their husband’s foolishness.
"Nocturnal Philanthropist" sounds like a euphemism all by itself. 😮
😂 And no one has come out and said a damn thing about his Good Samaritan deeds. Ever. Not ever. 😑
Your comment is poetry
@@datgurlky1dang
Thank you for showing love to Paris Is Burning, and the people in the documentary itself. It was a beautiful film, and the backstories were both touching and heartbreaking. I remember a very young girl in it who they said was found murdered, and I’ve always wondered if her killer was ever found. I didn’t realize until I heard your commentary on Octavia’s words that most of the people in that documentary are no longer with us.
I'm going to watch it again this week...
I never heard of Octavia....thanks for posting this
Octavia was absolutely beautiful
Stunning!
Looked like a hybrid of Lynn Whitfield meets Kimberly Russell. ❤
she was..
Yes she was
@@maygrantz4426HE
Nicole Murphy looks like Octavia
Great observation
💯 I thought the same. Octavia was Gorgeous 💖
True
Good eye !!!
Umm hmm!
I was just being a good Samaratan in that part of LA at that time in the morning ? Yeah right! 😂
Got him 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
Up there looking stupid just be real 😂😂😂😂😂😂
... and out of boredom.
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Exactly! LMAO 😂
I watched Paris is burning 4 times. Her last words will stay with me forever as am treating bmy mother for cancer. RIP Octavia, yiu have inspired me❤🕊️🕊️🕊️
Karine this was beautifully done. The outline, the details and the research were all stellar. So informative. So professional. Well done ❤️🥂
She took all the abuse and mistreatment and called it out. Kudos
*he*. Stop be delusional
HE
Not tryna be funny but there were some clips where Octavia looked crazy similar to Nicole Murphy.... Great video Karine. If I were famous and exceptional, I would want nobody but u to tell my story. U r pure GRACE N CLASS🙏🏾
I was thinking that but thought I was reaching.
@@Antilles86. shidd there r way worse people to look similar too!!! Lmao
She looks like Nicole but Octavia is actually prettier.
And oddly enough Nicole looks way more masculine than Octovia. I always felt that Eddie was attracted to Nicole because of her androgynous look. Seems like a lot of closeted gay men or bisexual men like an androgynous looking biological women. Just been my observation but I'm not the be all that ends all.
I always thought Nicole looked like a man. Age has made her look better. And maybe "other" help.
Some men love trans men but don't want nobody to know about it.
Those men are gay. 😅😅😅
Many men love Trans women but don't want nobody to know about it. Some men also love Trans men but don't want nobody to know about it. FIFY.
It's Trans women smh lol
Because they still want the straight label instead of bi.
You mean trans women
She was gorgeous and her feisty spirit shined so bright😍. I’m thankful that you even covered her because I never knew who she was and I had that boomerang clip saved in my gallery for ages. Not to mention you did it with grace and respect to the trans identified women in this video. Much appreciation!🙏🏾❤️
I clicked immediately when i saw this thumbnail! So excited that you're talking about Octavia!!!! 🎉 She's such an icon, such a beautiful spirit and o, an amazing human being. Rest in peace and power Octavia 🙏❣️🎉
I never clicked on a video so fast. I LOVE this channel. Didnt know about this diva, RIP Angel 👑
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@@KarineAlourde why won't you talk about B-dubs wearing bonnets house shoes tattoos nobody cares about this trans but you want to bash black men smh
@@METALFACEDOOMXXXXWhat? Lmao...secret lifestyles in comparison to bonnets? Did you think before you typed that sir?
@@ericaminnis4676 yes stop wearing bonnets and house shoes Keisha just another b-dub trying to say a black man is gay tear him down I'm so glad I avoid y'all Keishas 🤢🤮
@@METALFACEDOOMXXXX ••• BOT ........??? 🤔🤔🤔
So we gonna ignore how the news anchor sarcastically said that about Eddie Murphy… ok 🙃😂
That was Gayle King Oprah’s girlfriend
@@jamarkushudson6723I was just going to say!! Lmaoo
That was Oprah's Gayle.
Gayle knows some things... 👀
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Eddie Murphy is bisexual. Don’t forget they are on the down-low too. Thank you for talking about Octavia in a beautiful light.
Ok and why do you care?
@@AnAdorableWombat1because he pretends that he’s not!
@@stephi6792 Exactly. He has gone OUT OF HIS WAY to make fun of gay people, and he is clearly gay himself and falls under LGBTQ. Murphy just isn't brave enough to admit it.
That's why I Eddie Murphy had all those kids to prove that he's not gay😂😂😂😂 but I think he loves men also we have to remember he let Johnny Gill stay on his couch for a couple of years there and we all know Johnny Gill don't have no kids, no wife,no girlfriend 🤗🤗🤔
You shouldnt accuse anybody for being perverted, what if he spoke the truth.
I 💯 percent agree with you when you said “if someone is sooo ashamed then don’t live that lifestyle” and yes lies hurt everyone ❤
She is absolutely right. Eddie Murphy played both Norbit and Rasputia.
Octavia doesn't identify as a she.
Thank you so much for this !!! Being a femqueen ( transwoman ) in the ballroom scene , it feels great to see one of our idols represented so nicely . Thank you ❤️❤️
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Its a long history ❤❤❤❤ it's beautiful but also rough but they paved the way !!!! N were so united !
Whew chile ... Not Gale King throwing major shade. 😂😂
most def!😂
That was before journalists were puppets!
All T, All Shade 😂
She was forced to say it…not saying she’s not throwing shade, just saying they needed a black women to do so.
“and we have other news tonight..thankfully”
yes at least Octavia was honest with herself and not a hypocrite. That is commendable. We live in a cruel world where people with money will have people murdered...it is terrible!
A man dressing like a woman is not “honest”. And it’s HIMSELF not “HERSELF”.
It's a game for them...Murder by Numbers
He’s not honest with himself
You mean honest with himself
Himself didn’t he tell himself he was not a woman
Thank you for this video! ❤
Shalimar's death is definitely suspicious.
This was an amazing documentary thank you!!!!❤ She is gorgeous.
I never knew about Octavia. Thanks for sharing.
when im in need of self affirmations. im going to play this on repeat! you go Octavia!
It sounds like Octavia may have been Intersex if her body was producing more estrogen despite being born male.
Right
He was assigned male by God in his mother's womb.
From earlier pictures when he was a child, it was apparent that he was a boy.
@@Kim-ze5gclooking like a boy doesn't make it obvious
@@Kim-ze5gc Did I say Octavia wasn’t? You can be born male and still be intersex. Dominique Jackson from the show Pose was born a male and started to develop as the opposite gender during puberty.
@@gitslover9834Exactly some people need to be educated that this is a thing. As well as being born a hermaphrodite. Some people are literally born with both, just like being born with other gene mutations that cause other things. It’s science…lol
This is a very well documented and narrated story of a fascinating person. Your phrase, "tornado of hurt" is both a tender and eviscerating statement about the pain of not living your life honestly.
Wow!! Her beginning this video was so true and so powerful!
Octavia was absolutely gorgeous. Also I agree with you. If you can’t live in your truth, and are ashamed, don’t indulge in that lifestyle. Simple as that
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It’s a sin either way!
@@Yepyep341 true, but so is sex before marriage, so can’t even worry about others cause they sin differently than us.
@@Yepyep341 every sin measures equally, but Jesus is the answer to those problems. 🫡
Period!
Look at young Gayle King in that old news clip. Still feisty 😂
Exactly! 😂 The shade was real. 😂
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Just Messy asf! 😂
There ain’t no Kale without Okra Winfrey!
@@datgurlky1 She was just telling it like it was. Murphy was the liar!!!😮
I’m glad she was honest about her true identity when ppl ask
Why does that make you “glad”?
@@Joie_totheworldbecause she lived in REALITY.
@@Joie_totheworld because with her being upfront, it gives whomever she might of had sexual relates with the opportunity to decide whether or not to deal with her like that. Transgender being dishonest or misleading has gotta many of them hurt or killed. Also it shows she wasn’t disillusioned by what she really was.
@@Joie_totheworldAnd people can accept her without lying to themselves she is a woman.
@@blkanv1502 if you look (GOOGLE) most of the cases of transgender women they were MURDERED BY MEN THAT KNEW WHO THEY WERE- just like in this video you just watched EDDIE KNEW and wanted it to just go away.Most of the time it’s NOT about the woman being honest it’s about these men not living in their truth and are willing to do ANYTHING to keep things 🤫
I know my comment will get lost in the shuffle but if you ever see this, I wanna give you your flowers because can’t nobody do a document like you do you really get in it. I’m biased and just raw and uncut and I love it. Good luck to you.
"Theres no woman out there that can stand next to me"... "there's no woman out there with these measurements". We shouldn't skip over these frases just because she was an icon. These are odd statements that show a slight swntiment of superiority over cis women. We should acknowledge that too.
*frases?
So glad someone else caught this!
I’m sorry she bought her breast…… men are not born with breast
I admire Octavia for living honestly and not deceiving anyone.
Exactly! May Octavia and all who rose to prominence in the gay ball culture who passed away rest in peace! Paris is Burning is a MUST see for the Black LGBTQ community. 😔🙏🏾❤️🕊️💐
@@danavixen6274 unless he repented. he will never rest in peace.
@@SouthSideLadyWright sir get a new weave your skits are tired
yes that takes courage and she certainly had plemty of that rest in power Octavia !!!
God doesn’t make mistakes. Nobody will tell me otherwise.
Wow, this story opened my eyes. I hope one day there will be less prejudices.
That's not prejudice to not want someone to hate themselves. He was a man & didn't like that look. No different than Lil Kim getting all those surgery
Im going to check out " Paris Is Burning " never heard of it before...thanks Karine
Not Octavia giving out her measurements as if they weren't enhanced by many SURGERIES lol so that's not the knock on or proper COMPARISON on bio women that it may have intended to be. Nevertheless, this is a great video and I definitely enjoyed Octavia as with alot of the Paris Is Burning crew. Fascinating stuff.
Great deep dive, Karine 👏 You amazed me again....I forgot about Octavia! Thank you 😊
Glad you enjoyed it! 💖💖
@@KarineAlourdeI am completely hooked on your videos. I learn so much and your presentations are always very classy. I absolutely love your style 💖
SHE IS CORRECT. DOESNT SHE LOOK LIKE...."NICOLE MURPHY?"💯💯💯💯💯
👀yesss
Prolly is that's hollyweird for you
Nope
@@teenatchie1313yes I believe Nicole is trans
Eddie never looked the camera in the eye. He kept his head moving while talking 🤥
Some Pinocchio ish 🤥🤣
Cause the eyes don’t lie
Yup body language is everything when you lie...
you chewed with this one, love your inclustivity
Really well done. Great footage!! It was really a different time.
I’m glad you covered her. I’ve started watching Pose and am reading about all the people who inspired the characters
Rip Octavia , what a beautiful spirit
Yea let’s all just “be who we are” and see where that gets us. Follow his lead and you’ll find out.
@@d.c.5033 How did you get here? Watching this video. 🤡 live in your truth. Stop being miserable & hating.
@@d.c.5033cry shut up
@@d.c.5033You are so redundant.
Yes!!! I agree. People should be honest and live in there truth. That way you won’t hurt anyone. She lived her life on her terms. I don’t think Octavia was bitter at all. Thank you for sharing!!❤️👍
Thank you so much for doing this video. Octavia Saint Laurent is my auntie her sister is Carmen extravaganza, also her daughter. Carmen would often tell me so many stories about Octavia as she would mentor me since I was a teenager. This video makes me feel so powerful especially in what I do and that I could continue the mission, and there dreams and aspirations can breathe through me. I really enjoy your videos and I wish you all the success.
I'm sorry for your loss. I've seen Paris is Burning so many times. Octavia was beautiful and an amazing spirit. Blessings to you and yours 🩷
He was your uncle not aunt.
This was beautifully done. Rest well Octavia 💛
It’s actually believed Charlie Sheen had motive in the murder mentioned and flew into a rage when the victim was writing a tell all book.
Wow.
Motive in the Shalamar murder?
@@Deevine_ Was a client allegedly....Flew into a rage.
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Where did you hear that from?
Ayyy! 🙌🏽 I’m so ready. I love her. She was such a trip. 💯
Karine you always do an excellent job!
💯 Queen Karine.
Thank you for your short documentary! I just came across Octavia a few minutes ago through a RUclips Short video and I was so intrigued by her that I had to look her up. Crazy I actually saw her in photos before I even knew her name. She was so strong, honest, and outspoken. And I admire her work ethic and determination to create her own path in life. So inspiring!
She was absolutely beautiful! I love your channel & the way you give the back story from the very beginning with context. You provide a wealth of info about your subjects! You're doing an excellent job utilizing your platform to educate & bring awareness ✨️♥️✨️♥️✨️
Was is the truth
13:11 Kale aka GAYLE always been messy 😂
😅😂Always
I’m crying clip was funny asl🤣🤣🤣
I was thinking the same thing 😂
Especially when it’s Black men involved, had this been Weinstein( her and her buddy Okra’s friend) she wouldn’t have said shit or she would’ve defended Weinstein
"Nocturnal Philanthropist" lol! 🤣🤣💀💀
Oh my God, how did I find you?? ✨️🌼💖Your voice is so soothing, and you so eloquently frame her life with the realities, but you are so damn respectful of the powerhouse she was!
I really really fcking appreciate it 💗💗💗💖💖💖💖💖
The rainbow babies would find their voices so much easier if they would research into our ancestors, that paved our way with literal blood, sweat, and tears.
What a compelling video.
I enjoy your commentary;and
had never heard of Octavia.
I'll also check out your
video, on Karrine Steffans.
“Bitter” is always a word thrown around when a major violation has been committed. When we hear “bitter”, we should immediately start evaluating the situation for the truth, because someone is deflecting 😮
Some people are actually bitter though, even if they have reason and justification to be. ❤
Before I watch, Karine I want to thank you for bringing members of our community to your platform, especially my beautiful Trans-sisters. I really appreciate this. I also want to thank you being a mentor for me as well, and giving me as I like to put it “Big sis” talk lol. Love Ya✨
Aww you are so welcome! Everyone’s stories should be told without discrimination ❤❤
I roll with the house of extravaganza in NY, half of my friends were in the tv show Pose and Octavia was my best friends trans mother. Thank you so much for making this @KarineAlourde I’ll have to show them 🫶🏽🫶🏽🫶🏽
I'm glad she did too. Octavia had it going on and needed some recognition. But I did not know she was close to the trans women that were getting with Eddie but that makes sense because Toni Newman, the transgender that was picked up by LL Cool J and Mr Cee also was out in those Ny streets and saw Eddie come out alot to pick up trans women as well. I just learned about Octavia a few years ago when I watched Paris Burning and just had to know who is this stunning beauty and is she still living. I was happy to see she made it longer than expected after the movie but sad to see she passed from her complications.
Thank you so much for covering this beautiful legend ❤❤❤❤
Thank you so much for this, I remember hearing her name when I was a kid. And then of course the Eddie Murphy thing. But I did not know quite a bit about her and now that I do, what an icon.
Thank you for sharing this story and this history.
Eddie Murphy’s alleged DL ways were a poorly kept secret. Saint Laurent was on point about DL dudes.
DL?
@@chergoodvibes Down Low
Plenty of dudes you wouldn't even imagine.
Asa young girl I always said Eddie is not into women and if he is into women he likes big women. He partnered with Nicole for his image. Fast forward to all these Hollyweird stories including Johnny Gill living with Eddie as his "roommate."
@@RahYisrael99It's funny because when Tracy Edmonds married him, she said Babyface warned her not to marry him. I wonder why? They divorced quickly. Nicole was just a high priced beard which is why he paid her 1 million for each child. It's got to be a miserable life for man to constantly live in secret and not live his truth.
To Octavia and all of the beautiful cast of Paris is burning ,alive and dead. I don’t think these people will ever know how iconic they are and were ,how much they changed so many lives. They truly were cultural heroes that created something so powerful and wonderful.❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤ from the moment I watched this documentary. All of their stories forever made Mark in the softest spot of my heart.
☕️ Bobby Browns oldest sister and assistant to Whitney said that Whitney told her why her and Eddie stopped dating. She said Whitney told her that Eddie received a call at her home from his "lover". Bobby Browns sister has not been sued and did not say allegedly. ☕️
I remember when Leolah Brown said that too 🙂
Nicole was just a high priced beard.
You do the best breakdowns this is how I'm spending my Day and working out while listening to your videos, thanks for keeping my workout going!
Oh wow, I just saw this as a suggestion.. Then I saw that it was posted by you ! What a nice surprise, good on you to feature Octavia ! I found out about her from 'Paris is burning'
In Thailand, they call transgendered individuals “the 3rd” sex and they are pretty much respected in their country. I often wonder in America, if we took the male vs. female debate out of it, and just use the term “3rd” sex (which would be transgendered individuals) would there be so much fighting? Anyway, thank you for remembering Octavia’s life in a respectful, kind and loving manner. She was one of the good ones ❤
I think that would be wonderful but there are a lot of people that are proud for being ignorant. They call it traditional and values but like so many people couldn't be themselves back then either but I really think it will take some time to create the 3rd gender or identity just like it did for gay rights back in the early 2010s
that’s exactly it. they don’t want their own lane. they want to be lumped together and seen as bio women. THATS where the fighting starts. idgaf how they want to look and dress but you’re not going to tell me you’re the same as me a bio female!
@@JuJuForREALthat part
the 3rd sex thing are lady boys that are just a fetish(thailand has trans women too)
trans women have gender dysphoria which comes from the womb,its different❤
@@JuJuForREAL true I respect gay and transpeople, but after hearing some of them forcing a competition with women I don't think so!
Women have been through enough we're not gonna fight. They are still men and can fight amongst themselves. Since war and fighting is the male spirit !!
They aren't women and they never will be women!
They can have their own bathrooms.
Men will Fck anyone dead or alive .
I am not here to judge anyone but Ms Octavia St Laurent lived her life even though she was born a male,I may not know much about her but she had a fighting spirit within herself,she will be missed rest peacefully in heaven.
And she knew she wasn't a woman and that didn't stop her
@@sakuraesther6309THATS RIGHT SHE WAS NOT A WOMEN AND SHE WAS NOT A MEN SHE WAS A SPIRITUAL BEING LIVING IN A HUMANBODY AS A VEHICLE TO TRANSPORT IT AND BE A ACTIVIST AND A FIGHTER FOR THE GAYS RIGHTS AS A HUMAN BEING.ON THIS CRUEL JUDGMENTAL EARTH.
He was definitely male!@@josuetorres2394
He is not in heaven
@@josuetorres2394no a man which is ok.
OMG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! @KarineAlourde I know you and I don't always see eye to eye. But I already know this story. This is going to be a good one!💞💞🙏🏿🙏🏿🙏🏿🙏🏿🙏🏿🙏🏿🙏🏿🙏🏿
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The fact that society tries to act like Trans women just fell on the earth yesterday is crazy. We should have been so far and progressed with the acceptance of Trans women into society.
I support your comments at the end of this video 100%.
Eddie Murphy had trans girl friends in new york as well
I know! I remember and I have names. I used to go to Sound Factory. He was well known
@@LyddieR yes ! One worked at Patricia fields store on 8 street ,her name was Shannon and she was Irish
There was this beautiful trans woman I heard he paid for her surgery. her name was Tenae pronounced Tenay. I'm sure I'm spelling her name wrong.
@@LyddieR what you mean he was known? You think Eddie Murphy is bi-sexual???
Kinda looks like Jodey Watley from the group Shalimar.
I’ve always loved Octavia, thank you for featuring her. I wish she and the many from this documentary were still here because i feel they all had more to offer the world. R.I.P. to Octavia, Venus, Willie and the others from Paris is burning that HIV took.
I love that you did this. SHE was beautiful in so many ways.
Great video🙏🏾 I loved her in “Paris is Burning” and really wanted her to win. She was stunningly beautiful and sooo ambitious, she was ahead of her time🙏🏾❤️🥰👑
‘No woman can stand next to me’ there’s the misogyny
Always. They always are.
Yep. Misogynistic men can't handle being second to a woman. No matter much more beautiful, talented, or intelligent that woman might actually be.
Misogyny -is “men” showing hatred towards women
@Franeeky only to facially challenged women who can't!
Exactly still has the mind of a male, that hasn't changed...
There are plenty in Hollywood that are actress and actors. Also, everyday people. I’ve heard about this story in the 90’s , in the Black Hair Salon gossip. I was younger and I heard a lot gossip from the menz. This is where I heard about Whitney and Robin and other entertainers that people are just finding out about. Eddie M first wife , Nicole looks similar to Octavia. The TV POSE highlighted the ballroom lifestyle.
Pose was a good show.
Who cares 😂worry about important situations in this country that can really affect your life.
@@pb9695how do you know this doesn’t effect their life? This affects anyone from the LGBTQ+ community especially trans ppl. Just because you aren’t part of a particular community or you have different views doesn’t negate someone else’s experiences
@@pb9695Why are you watching this video since there are more important things going on in this country???
There must be something you want to know. 🤣✌🏾💯
All of this is new info to me🍿🍿
Me.too
You make the best informative videos. 👌🏾👌🏾👌🏾👌🏾👌🏾👌🏾. I was so intrigued by this story. Thank you
Thank you for this. New, huge fan of Octavia today. 🙏⚡️
This is the kind of reality speaking I like. Not sugar coated watered down or twisted. Str8 up, w/no chaser‼️
This was such a great video glad you did this, She was definitely a head of her time 🌈❤️
Ooooohhhh Karine you ate it for this! ❤yessss
I'm happy and surprised you did Octavia. As a lover of ballroom and queer idols, thanks Karine!
Ha! I saw the thumbnail and thought it was Karyn White!
Well presented wit ❤...much respect