Tie Down Inspection Fail? Truck and Trailer Tuesday with Trooper Hoover
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- Опубликовано: 8 апр 2019
- Load securement regulations for private non-commercial hauling. Items like tractors, utility vehicles, lawn mowers, etc. Trooper Hoover distinguishes the rules for loads less than 10,000 pounds and how those need to be secured to the trailer.
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Had the pleasure of meeting Mr Hoover Sunday morning on a random. Very nice and professional.
Great to hear, Brian! Trooper Hoover really wants to help people be more safe.
Just so I understand…this episode is Tractor Time with Tim’s Truck and Trailer Tuesday with Trooper Hoover? That’s got a ring to it!🤣
Trooper Hoover series has been great.
Thanks for watching, Lane!
Talked with him several times, never on the side of the highway. Great guy and always willing to answer questions no matter how stupid the may seem.
I work for a flatbed trucking company, I tell my guys that no one has ever gotten a ticket for to many straps. That is true as long as the straps and chains do not have any damage to them. You should ask him about strap and chain damage.
I also tell my guys that the extra 5-10 min you spend strapping and unstrapping is still faster than picking stuff up off of the road.
Pulled flatbed semi and doubles for 15 years. Not once in that 15 years did I ever say to myself, "Man I wish I hadn't thrown that extra strap.." Retires now, but occasionally haul a tractor or building material on a bumper pull car hauler and sill use plenty of straps.
I reached out to Trooper Hoover on messenger - he answered all my questions, and then some!! What a great resource.
This Trooper is very knowledgeable.... im glad you talked him into doing an interview. Truck and Trailer Tuesday is why i subscribed a few weeks ago! Thanks Tim + Officer Hoover!!
Being from Indiana this Trooper makes me proud to be a Hoosier
Worked at a rental outfit years ago, and one morning a fellow pulled up to the returns area with a large masonry saw in the bed of his truck. The stand for the saw was separate, the saw itself was just sitting there, unsecured. He hit the brakes and the saw slid forward. The motor was just high enough to take out his rear window. Bits of glass were all over the cab, down his neck - a real mess that could have been prevented with a little rope. We were not allowed to tie down customers' loads (liability issues) and I can tell you we saw some nightmares heading out onto the highway - like a 40' extension ladder tied on top of a small car (no roof rack even) using only twine. The customers always said the same thing: "It's okay, we're not going far."
GREAT video! We do things as trooper Hover says: If in doubt, over do it. Just need to remember that the load can move front and back, side to side and up and down. The second point is more than just working strength but also edge protection. BUT you have to look at those straps every time you unload for abrasion or cuts.
The second common rule of thumb is to check ALL tie downs every time you stop for fuel or a potty break. Sometimes my son in law will pull into a rest area soon after he has loaded an odd shaped load and walk the trailer for any movement (loosening) in the tie downs.
It's not a matter of law but of common sense. If a load moves, you are putting lives at risk.
The "Trooper Hoover" series of videos is one of the best I've seen. Thanks, Tim and Christie, for getting us good information and top notch video work.
I always use 4 points of connection. If the tractor has a loader I always use a 5 or 6th chain or strap to secure the loader as well
Man o man that Super Duty looks so sweet in Burnt Orange! Awesome rig Tim and Kristy!
I'm looking to buy a F350 but I do not want the dually setup. I guess I'll look in the commercial part of Ford to see if they have the right colors.
I absolutely love this series! I am one of the old duffers that tend to strap things down x 10 just in case. I don't want my load coming through my vehicle but my worst fear is my load injuring or killing someone else! For the 5 extra mins it takes to over secure a load is simply peace of mind and God forbid a accident did happen at least I could sleep at night knowing I did everything possible to protect everyone from harm. 1 or 2 or 10 different extra straps and a few extra mins securing a load is nothing more than me being able to honestly say I did my best to protect everyone. Not spending a few bucks for extra chains or straps is simply saying I don't care about others! That is one thing I don't want anyone to be able to say after I am dead and gone!
Crazy Craig exactly
Amen! I second this!!
I don't want anyone saying I was "too cheap" while I'm alive! I'm learning more every day about the proper use of straps and chains. Most of my tie down straps are the nylon type, but they are all rated around 3,300 pounds as the working load. Most of the time, I'm hauling my Jeep Wrangler so I really don't want it coming off the trailer!
Trooper Hoover you are an example for what D.O.T. officers should be. Keep up the great work and God bless
One of the best videos on load securement I’ve ever watched.
Thank you!
This is a great public service and the state of Indiana needs to be commended for its effort's in this as well as Tropper Hoover!
I’ve been over strapping. Have to cut back on that now😉
Thank you both.
Thanks for this Tim, I hauled an M59 Kubota from Missouri back to Arizona, luckily, a commercial driver got my setup right for the ride home.
Trooper Hoover is a great asset.
I've been fortunate enough to travel the world, and am always proud of and impressed with our Indiana State Troopers. Finest I've met.
KEY WORDS, Subject To Interpretation. That bucket IS an unsecured load and you will be cited by most, and that's a fact. This is such a broad subject you could do 20 videos just on load securement. The key word is "securement", not drag coefficiency as he talked about concerning the bed liner, (although that is a factor). You are to secure against movement, forward, back, side to side and UP. Everything else he talked about was spot on.
Hey, Tim
Consider the scenario of you being involved in an accident while towing this load. The bucket in the back, not being strapped down, can become a missile that could potentially come through the rear window of your truck. The air bags in your truck wont save you from that or anyone else that may come in contact with an airborne bucket that weighs 400 lbs. I always strap loads in the bed of my truck for that reason.
Bryan Poitras Bryan Poitras AAAAAAAAAMEN!! And the operative term is missile. I’ve teased Tim a bit before on the “Safety Sally” kidding he does, but coming from a firefighting family, on this particular subject, always think of the worst case scenario, and it can and will happen. Go talk to some experienced firefighters who work on expressways, etc. Think of terms like “decapitation” in conjunction with going down the highway at 70 with that unsecured bucket and hitting something that brings you to a dead stop. With seatbelt shoulder strap and airbag it’s probably survivable, like a particular accident I was involved with when a crotch rocket missed a curve at 130-plus mph and hit a Ford F-150 head on. The father and his son in back survived that with minor injuries. But then throw in their having that giant green missile in the back still going 70, and it quite efficiently takes their heads off. Then let’s think about the dynamics and kinetic energy stored up when towing either the JD or the Case. The friend who taught me had some good life experience that dictates good old common sense overkill to give plenty of safety margins. He started out working in Colorado around Boulder. If you’re ever there note the old cars way down over the side of the mountains. His employer taught him with chains, because when all of the momentum and inertia comes into play,and that trailer starts rolling, a road sign or anything like that’s going to cut through a strap. His other point was if the trailer gets loose or flips, that machine ought to still be well enough secured that it is still attached to that trailer at the bottom of the mountainside. Sure enough, he’s headed to a job, slowly in icy weather, then the brakes also go out on his boss’s truck. He bailed out before it all went over. The truck was totaled and eventually broke loose from the trailer on the long way down. But when the big wrecker came, it pulled the trailer and machine back up the mountain as one unit, and the machine was repairable and put back into service. I took that and went belt and suspenders with it. I tie down my 2305 like it’s my friend’s 4 ton skid loader, one chain to each corner, then put a strap securing the loader bucket, and another over the mower deck. Then I’ve done everything I can do, will hopefully never have to say I’m sorry, and never have to hear things from firefighters like my Dad that, “The thing became a missile and took the guys head/arm off” or “crushed the driver.” I’m not worrying about complying with the minimum that the law requires. Instead, I’m thinking about real insurance against ever having to have that awful feeling that I didn’t do enough, and because of it someone was killed or maimed.
This is totally different but, a few years back there was a man who didn't secure his skid steer to the trailer. He ended up in the ditch, and the skid steer ended up on top of the truck. Needless to say that was the last mistake he made. Always secure your load!!!! We want to keep you around Tim!
Axe that better states what I was trying to get at. We’ve all come to consider the Marks family as extensions of our own family or like fellow church or community members. This channel in turn forms a community, in which we all care for and want to look out for each other. We never want to see any of us get hurt.
@@SkylarHillShop I've seen that before I was so shocked I spent 5 minutes beside this guy thinking I was somehow missing his chains. I waved him to stop turns out somebody loaded it onto his trailer for him when he was away, he hooked up & never checked if it was tied down.
Keep the good work Trooper Hover 👍👍👍👍👍
Thanks trooper for the information.
This trooper is super....thks for his knowledge to keep us safe
Great video Tim, Thank you !
This is some really useful information. Great video Tim.
I sure wish i could find a trooper Hoover in WV. Great video.
One thing I’ll throw in is that legal or not, one tie down front and rear gives you no protection from a failure. I had my 2,000 lb garden tractor tied down with 4 g70 5/16 chains on a recent trip, which is overkill, but how I always do it. When I got to the destination, something happened to a cotter pin on a hook, and the pin fell out of the chain and Clevis. If I hadn’t had that other chain there, that thing would have been whipping around on the 8’ of chains in the back...2 chains would have cleared me for 2.5x the weight I had, but still would’ve ended up unsafe.
Also, on safety chains without a latch on the hook, the open part should be facing the trailer, otherwise they can bounce off when hitting roadkill, etc.
Ive currently got a 2,000 pound tractor tied down with g8 1/2" chain, i think its good
Tim Christi and Trooper a lot of information to digest but now we know were to go
Thank You
God Bless All
PaK
great work Officer hoover! thank you
I believe in safety first thank you trooper and your friend
I just LOVE these videos Tim !
This series has been great. Thanks Tim!
Thanks for watching! We have one more episode with Trooper Hoover in the queue. I think we’ll need to follow up.
Tim and Christy, It's a pleasure watching your very informative videos. Trooper Hoover seems like a super nice guy. I'm glad that you have had him on so we could all learn from him.
Thanks for your kind words!
Thank you Trooper Hoover, I've gotten mixed answers from several different law enforcement agencies and this really helps.
This is a great video lots of information! I have been renting a mini excavator lots lately and this has given me great information on the proper way
Hi Tim and Christy nice video officer Hoover sure knows his stuff
Very good info there.. TY!
Thank you guys great information
Trooper Hoover sounds like Mr.Haney from the old show Green Acres....does anyone one remember?
Good stuff!
great vid Tim
Tim I’m really enjoying this series, as for I’m always hauling and towing , however I’ve never had any issues, if anything I’m over cautious and use more tie-downs than necessary.
A lot of good tips in the video; hopefully it will make people a little safer towing. Plus I never heard the verse at the end, learn something new everyday!
Thanks Tim
Great video Tim
Love these videos!!! Very helpful!!!
Thanks for watching!
Great video 👍👌👍 thanks
Thanks Trooper Hoover and Tim. I have the NYS and Fed download manuals. Now I understand those so much better! Also, my very healthy 11 year old equipment trailer needed some new safety chains! T&TT showed where chains touch the road surface and thin down! I was doing great, but there it was two links on each chain thin!!! Got that taken care of. Keep it up. I am a happy subscriber.
Thanks for the kind words, Dan!
Great Video!
Cool bucket.
You guys are missing the point here....Tim has a four way bucket!! Woohoo
First 4-in-1 video coming either Friday or Sunday.
You got it
Tim, I got mine installed 3 weeks ago!!! You will love it more then your Grapple
You’ll be surprised at my first video.
Awesome, roll the tape👍
a video about gvwr and towing capacities of pickup trucks would be interesting.
We have that...here in the Truck and Trailer Tuesday series.
You should had talked about where on the equipment do you fasten a chain or strap at.
Thank You, good information
Oh forgot to thank Trooper Hoover!
Chains vs straps, I love chains because they last for ever, they don't get cut, strong.
Straps on the other hand won't scratch up whatever your pinning down, and are more forgiving, so they'll stretch a little before bending things.
So depends on what you're doing, in my case my 1/2" chains are worth gold nuggets, because excavators, wheel loaders, tanks (no no tanks... fuel tanks yes).
I think that most people just throw everything into the pickup truck bed and close the tailgate without worry. // That Trooper looks strong enough to test the working strength of most straps..
I've seen stuff not tied down and it makes a real mess on the road when it comes off. I live where two interstates meet as well as a major US highway. Lots of commercial traffic and the people in the city are somewhat careless about their loads. State law requires every load to be secured and covered if needed to keep it from coming out.
i live here in indiana great vid
Best advice I can give you is the more is always better. I hate to see a chain or a strap he lonely LOL
Unfortunate all states don't have someone to contact to get answers, instead of run around. Tried several times to speak to knowledgeable person about licensing requirements and GVWR, GCWR and GAWR pertaining to hauling large RV non commercial. Never got to speak to one person who had any answers, just get another number to call. Gave up frustrated.
When I was in the Air Force, we used fabric cargo nets and cargo straps to secure our loads to cargo pallets that would be loaded onto a cargo plane. One thing you don't need in an aircraft is for the load to shift in flight. If a strap is good enough for the AF, it should be good enough for Dept of Transportation.
And a lot of chains were used too. Retired C- 141 & C- 5 Crew Chief.
U have to understand nothing civilian or military crosses, it drives me nuts, we spend thousands training the military to a higher standard and they get fired for using it as a civilian even when they save a life
This is great info because this is a very serious subject. I cannot tell you things I’ve seen as a trucker over the years and especially in my area with regards to small operations, landscapers, light excavating and private outfits our State commercial enforcement is very touchy on this subject and they hammer private citizens just as hard as commercial. I noticed that every time you “hang” with trooper Hoover you’ve got a new toy that’s a 4 in 1 bucket you’ve got in your pickup? Your like that kid in the neighborhood with new Tonka toys all the time, but doesn’t let the rest of us kids play with them....Lol
It was all one trip...returning from the Deere dealer.
Tractor Time with Tim oh cool yes your becoming quite the videographer very professional.
My tie down goes some thing like this you can always put on not enough you can never put on to many wheeled always 4 your mini track always tie down the boom they can lift if you look on tube you can find a pic of a man that found out the hard way he dam near cut a over pass in half and I have seen a boom swing sideways not very often does it happen but it does an extra strap or chain takes 5 minutes but it bates daylights out property damage or killing somebody over 40 years in a tractor trailer most of it doing equipment and oversize I am glad you are doing this it may well save somebody's life
Have a good day
THE GRUMPY BUS
This was great, I have to pick up a dingo, I ran to one of the big box stores to install some 3000 LBS D-rings and 30000 LBS straps 4 of them to secure it down. Dingo weighs 1950 Lbs 3,000 x .50=1500lbs x 4= 6,000 lbs I should be alright to haul that bad boy on a 3500 single axle trailer. Keeping in mind that even though with this set up I could carry 6K worth of load I wouldn't with this trailer because of the axle rating.
Don't forget your tire limits....ply
Tim, I got old fire hose for protection of my tiller & mower when on the tractor.
Tim, might stop by your local fire department and ask if they have any junk hose. I did and got a 2" fire hose to cut up and use as cargo protection.
Tks to dis video yuo can now then many pleople working sooo improplely
Another great video TTWT... below it's looking like you didn't show Trooper Hoovers web site enough lolol
I pull dry van and believe me there is some loads i see other drivers not even put load locks or straps on. They think dry van is secured alone. I always put straps on my dry van loads. One hard braking incident and the load will shift. I have seen hundreds of dry van loads not secured.
nice 4 in one bucket
That's silly the most important thing on an excavator to be strapped is the Boom
The rubber tracks are not likely to slide
the boom can spin around easier than anything else
Very sorry if I sound negative
I do need to know the rules but just some of it is silly
Thanks for the info
Personally would feel better if bucket was secure sudden stop could be VERY BAD!
Just my opinion
mike holubek a would agree on that one
Yes, in an accident you could be liable both monetarily and emotionally for someone death or disfigurement that otherwise might have been avoided.
and it's actually close to no effort especially if your truck bed has some nice hooks and you don't even have to worry about sharp edges.
Is that strike 2 for Tim
Does trooper Hoover know of any other pages like he has for other state looking for Pa also this was a great set of videos you posted on this topic thanks
Ask on his FB page. I don’t think he is actively watching this comment stream
I see that is a 4in1 bucket in your bed. It’s that a new attachment for Johnny? I’m looking forward to your experience using this type of bucket, also the source and cost.
First 4-in-1 video comes Friday or Sunday.
It is the New frontier.
Frankly I would be concerned about side shifting with only front and back securement. The 4 point tie down helps eliminate that.
I did a boo boo years ago I had a big floor jack in a pickup not tied down. I had to stop quickly and it dented the bed behind the cab. Me if I was hauling the bucket I would run a strap from one side to other only if a wreck would happen and the force might make it come out of the bed. Heavens forbid but you never know
I was stopped by DOT and parked for 16 hrs because I used straps. They were 4" straps. Here in New Mexico the DOT is really picky. Thanks for the video.
Did they have the labels on them stating working load limit? Apparently that is a requirement.
@@TractorTimewithTim they did, they were all even brand new. It was the first time I used them
@@TractorTimewithTim that is not a requirement. If the label are missing, then they resort back to 1000 lbs per inch, I have 4" straps rated at 5400 lbs and they would default to 4000 lbs without the label.
used straps on what?
@@TerraFirmaX two side by sides
Is there a way to email Trooper Hoover, I don't Facebook.
Just me thinking but if you have to secure 1/2 the weight of the machine (ex 8,000lbs/2) and then each strap is rated at 2,000 which you also take half of gives you 1,000 for each strap. So you need 4 of the straps. Now just to make things easier and less math wouldn’t you just not take half of any and come up with the same answer. 8,000 you need 4 2,000lbs straps. If the Machine is 6,000 you need 1,500 wll straps. That’s how I’ve always done it.
You are exactly right. When using 4 straps, add up the WLL of the straps. As long as the machine weighs less than that total, you are fine. Of course, the government makes it more difficult, right :-)
i have a NY CDL A with towing endorsement. I was told 4 minimum. thought thats what i read too. i hauled cars.
So what happens to the load in the truck bed during a collision? Physics says it's going to continue in motion. Or since you can't physically move it means it will stay there?
I know that here in Canada they always say what would happen to the load in an emergency situation. Although the bucket in your box might not move under “normal” situations, I’m sure it would do some damage if you had to slam on the brakes or if you rear ended someone.
Andre Regimbal yup, logs on a logging truck are chained for a reason.
Does trooper Hoover have a "cheat sheet " that gives the info something a guy could throw into the govebox or strap box?
Yes he does. Download it here:
www.dropbox.com/s/4hmqtv537ntsxt2/Hoover%20Load%20Securement%20Sheet%202017.doc?dl=0
I'm just curious, here in California I built a 14 ft lightweight car trailer for a Model T total weight trailer and car 2400 lb. I asked around to trailer businesses and they all put their brakes on the rear Axl if they're only running one set of brakes. I believe they should be on the front axle, this is how I built my trailer. My theory is if the trailer breaks away with the tongue weight of the trailer it will go to the ground and allow the rear axle to rise not being able to break with the emergency Breakaway.
Just had a guy argue with me about the same thing. I ended up just buying a trailer that had all 4 wheels with brakes cost a extra 100 bucks.
My rule of thumb is that the weight of the load is determined, then 80% lashing capacity of the weight of the load has to be used to stop the load moving front and back. Sideways, minimum of 50% of the weight of the load and same for vertical. So, if you have a 5 ton load, my aim is to have 4 ton tiedown force for front and back, and 2.5 ton force for sides and vertical.
Mind you, use a 5 ton tractor, use 7/16 transport chain - 6 ton WLL, and have 4 chains from centre point going to each corner of the square. Am managing to break the chain! No cheat bar, just armstrong on the over centre load binder. Mermaids have told me that it is overkill, but, better safe than sorry.
Strap needs a weight tag, but if weight limit is printed on straps from factory is this legal in stead of tag?
Trooper nice guy
Truthfully, in an unfortunate accident, that bucket could take flight
Unlikely, yes. But I'd hate to have it come through the back window.
Like to know the goal of securement. Is securing requirements based on holding the load if the trailer flips? Bounces? Or stops at 60mph?
What scenario am I securing for?
All the above.
interesting so dual wheel straps on an atv are not enough as it is only one one end even though its two straps and weigh over the weigh allowance.
A couple of questions, a friend of mine has told me that he is required to have a CDL to haul his horses around. He was told by an IN. state trooper that this was a new enforcement and any time that they were taking his horse(s) anywhere that they could win anything i.e. a trophy, ribbon or any prize, that it was considered an "income producing action" and was therefore under the rules of requiring a CDL. Is this true? Next question, if you have a truck that sometimes falls into requiring DOT numbers, do you have to have a CDL to operate it, even when not pulling a trailer?
Tim Hammond does the vehicle have the DOT numbers on it?
We had pickup trucks that when not loaded, not hauling HAZMAT or pulling a trailer had DOT numbers and required daily pretrip inspections and logging of such. They weren’t required to go into a scale unless they were hauling or towing weight or HAZMAT.
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My motto has always been that "gravity is not a tie-down". The trooper is relaying what's legal per state and federal. Being able to move a load by hand is ignoring the laws of physics in an emergency situation. That 200 - 300# load can easily become tons during rapid deceleration.
Tim - how about a load inside a enclosed trailer? Does a load contained inside a enclosed trailer require securing by law?
Yep.
Sadly more laws and regulations than can be enforced. Here in SC they don’t even require mud flaps, so flying rocks are your problem.
So, you got a deere side by side with a cab and heat and ac. I think you need a tractor with heat and ac too. 😎😊😊🤔🤔🤔
What about if he tells the Truck I say Trap it down so it cant fly out an kill someone an if you slammed on the breaks you will get Crushed.... Keep your self Great Video
One in front and one in rear that’s crazy....
I’m waiting for the clarification on the law. Because you meet one jurisdiction’s laws does not mean you
Meet the state, federal or county jurisdiction. The jurisdiction that is the most stringent is what you are “ suppose “ to adhere to. Yes there are times when the county or state has stiffer laws than the Feds.