@@streetsean Haha, no, I didn’t think that. For me the biggest thing to get used to is the button on my right that was the starter button (Road King) is now the power on/off button on my Pursuit. For a while, with the bike already turned on, I would press that button and instead of starting, the Pursuit would turn off. Took me a little while to get used to that.
@vmonk1474 it's funny how it's thr little things that take the longest to get used too. I still have to look at the turn signal to use it on the roadmaster...it hasn't moved but I still do it.
Everyone is constantly criticizing the sound of stock M8’s. And rightfully so. The EPA mandates preclude the production of a Harley ever being produced from the factory with that old time Harley lope. But that sound is easily achieved and surpassed with an even deeper lope from an M8 if you crack the cam chest open and put in a high lift cam along with aftermarket no cat pipes with aftermarket slip ons. Just bite your lip for a couple of years if you’re afraid of warranty issues until it’s out then make your move. My 2018 Road King has an S&S 475 cam, V&H Power Dual head pipes and Shark Road 4.5” slipons. People are constantly asking me what I did to that M8 to get that deep throated spaced out rumble. They say it sounds “old school” but stronger than old school even
That's awesome. I don't mind the sound of the m8 (with aftermarket exhaust), but I didn't realize you can make it sound that good. Does it shake a lot as well?
The Harley Pan America has the left side toggle blinker switch, it has the kickstand switch, it has the high whirr starter sound, the gear indicator stay on with the clutch in. I switch between it and my Road Glide just fine.
I think all the rev max bikes may have those. Not a big deal, just an old guy thing of trying to break habits. I did a 2 hour test ride on the Pan America and I think I'd have to break the bad habit of going 50 over the speed limit everywhere...that bike is fast!
I ride an '02 Wide Glide, it was my first Harley, and I absolutely HATE the turn signals. Self canceling turn signals just don't work on a bike. You put the signal on, and it self cancels before the turn. Then you have to turn it on again, and it keeps flashing after you've made the turn, so you have to turn it off manually anyway. And the two button thing is just plain stupid. I spent decades riding bikes with the single switch, some are push to cancel, some you have to move it back to center. Either way it just works. The Harley starter does sound like you have a dead battery. I've gotten used to it, but I do wish it sounded a little stronger. The Harley "jiffystand". What a nightmare. First off, it drags really bad on left turns, you can't find it with your foot because the end is up under the primary cover. Would have been nice if they had put something on it that sticks out that you could find with your foot. Then there is the fact that you have to actually push the bike over past center to fully extend the stand. And when you are parking on asphalt in the summer, and want to put something under it, you have to push the bike way over to the right to get the stand off the ground. But, those issues are really not a big deal when it comes to the HUGE positive things about a Harley, or at least a pre M8 Harley, and that is the sound and feel. The Wide Glide is a Dyna, so it is rubber mounted, but it still shakes plenty. The M8 and the Indian don't shake at all. They also have no sound. If there is one thing a Harley is known for, it's that beautiful sound, especially with an aftermarket exhaust. They even tried to trademark it once. Now they have gotten rid of it. I test rode an M8, all I could hear was gear whine. It has a very Japanese sound and feel. And Indian, just like Victory, have always felt very Japanese. All those years of riding Japanese bikes I wanted a Harley. For only 2 reasons, and neither one of them had anything to do with the brand. No other motorcycle ever made sounds and feels like an older Harley. My former 1966 Triumph Bonneville probably came the closest out of every bike I've ever owned. That long stroke 360 degree vertical twin had a real nice sound and feel. It shook so much that when you revved it in the garage on the centerstand, something both the Harley and Indian are missing, it would slide across the floor.
Yes the sound! You can't get any better than that. I traded a twin cam ultra for the Indian. The ultra sound was a lot better than my m8 sport glide, and it shook like crazy, which was cool. The Indian made sense for me as it had a bunch of stuff I was going to do to the ultra, so it was cheaper to trade. The previous owner actually put a cam in it so it does have a wicked loping sound, more like an older harley (not quite, but still sounds good). Put of the 3 bikes, I would still say the ultra sounded the best, but what I'm using that bike for, comfort made more sense than sound. I have my softail to worry about sound, and your right, I don't think there is anything I can do to make it sound like a twin cam or Evo bike.
You are right about the poor sound of a stock M8. But if you put in a high lift cam with aftermarket no cat head pipes and after market slip ons then you have a loping rumble that sounds more like an Evo than even the twin cams do. EPA has HD by the crotch when it comes to terrible stock sound.
The dual sel cancelling turn signals is genius and easily to use. If your self canceling is not working, get it fixed. The manual one signal switch like the cheap japbikes have are a source for multiple accidents as the rider fails to turn it off and drivers pull out in front of them and other scenarios.
@@martincvitkovich724 They are working as designed. It's a bad design. I have been riding on the street for almost 50 years. I have also had a few cars that did not have self canceling turn signals. Turning off turn signals has become an automatic thing. Just like putting the sidestand up before taking off, or making sure the bike is in neutral or the clutch is disengaged before starting it. I have always removed all the "nanny" switches from my bikes. And never had a problem because of it. Cars with self canceling turn signals tend to work very well. But they do not work well on bikes. On a car. turning the steering wheel back straight after a turn cancels the signals. But that won't work on a bike. The problem with the Harely system, and all other self canceling turn signal systems on bikes, at least for me, is that the signal will self cancel BEFORE making the turn, then I have to turn the signal on again, and it will continue flashing AFTER I have made the turn, so I have to manually cancel it. It's a whole lot more hassle than simply leaving the signal on until after you have made the turn, then manually canceling it, which is what I am used to. Having the signal self cancel BEFORE the turn, or continue AFTER the turn is much more dangerous than having full manual control of the signals. It's a solution to a problem that doesn't exist. And it just makes things worse. If the operator of a vehicle, no matter what kind of vehicle, doesn't know how to properly operate it, then they should learn BEFORE operating it in a place where not knowing how to properly operate it could be dangerous. When I first started riding on the street, back in 1975, I made a list of things to do, and taped it to the tank. Like, put the sidestand up, put the bike in neutral or pull the clutch in before starting, turn the signals on and off, etc. I have ridden around a million miles so far, with no accidents, other than a few off road crashes on dirt bikes.
I don't think I've had it cancel on me before the turn. Like I said, it's not a big deal and is just something I have to get used to. The self canceling on my softail has worked so well that I never had to think about it. On this new bike, I have to think about it, which isn't a bad thing. it just takes time to get into the habit. With me, I only started riding in 2021 and my '18 sport glide was my first bike I've ever owned (it was actually the first bike I ever rode), so I never knew riding without them. Again, these are little nothing things that will just come with more seat time.
The only thing you mentioned that matters while riding is the turn signal. Dump the Harley and it will cease to be a problem. Self cancel seems pretty hit & miss - it works about 9/10 times on my R1200GS. Probably best to just get in the habit of canceling all the time.
I've owned several HDs and never given much thought about the starter sound other than one that is loping along due to a low battery. It wouldn't bother me none since every manufacturer is different. Now a an old MOPAR starter sound is music to my ears.
I'm finding out that I've put a little too much thought into the starter sound...haha. I just like how it cranks...fires me up just as much as the bike.
It's probably just getting used to. I don't like the Taliban comments from the CEO or their direction, but I love the bikes regardless. Ford did the same thing with the Ranger. I'm not selling my vehicles either.
Yes, a new CEO would be great. I'm with you I'm not getting rid of my softail as I love that bike and I do still like Harleys. The roadmaster just made sense to me at this time, and was a lot better of a bike than the ultra I traded in for it. Ride safe
I did not now that about the side stand, but I do agree with the points you made. I do like the turn signals on the left and right. That's one of the reasons I haven't got a different brand bike. But, with this new CEO, and the top management team Harley has, that's going to change. I love my Harley. I wouldn't trade for any other brand. I'm just going to add a new one. It's either Buell or Indian.
I hear yeah. All that crap is why I even started considering a different brand. I was the "but it's not a harley" guy. I'll always have my softail but will consider any other brands now for my second bike.
I'm still a Harley guy, but this roadmaster was a better option for me over the ultra I traded for it. I'm not sure if I was in the market for a brand new tourer I would make the same decision, but I'd for sure still consider the Indian.
@@streetsean I don’t hate Indian. Some of their models are nice. The good thing is we have different options out there. Everyone likes what he likes and it’s your pocketbook you spend it how you want. One of the main reason why I like Harley is not only the machine but the things they have done and do for the American military and vets. Unfortunately they are woke now. But I still have hope in them. Ride safe and enjoy the labor of your hands no matter what you ride. it is a nice bike.
@Carmichael5898 I'm in the same boat as you. I think Indian doing well will only help harley. Some of my favorite Harleys are the ones they do up for the military. Ride safe!
@@streetsean No, I sold it a few years back. I had a Hammer S, I guess it was Victory's answer to the Fatboy. It was a good bike to be fair and handled well considering the 250 rear tire. Had a 106Cu inch motor if I remember right
@pgd1970 Victory did have some cool bikes (not that touring one that looked like it belongs on the Jetsons though haha). My old neighbour's had one but had to stop riding because of vertigo, he wants to get back into it now but can't bring himself to buy one since parts are only available for a few more years.
There's more than 3 things to get use to on those Indians. Test rode a 2024 Pursuit Dark Horse. I almost turned around after two blocks on that Indian because of how bad things are on those bikes, but I continued on to give it a fair shack. Just found more things I did not like about that bike, and its a lot
Is one the motor? I find this 111 has a way different torque curve than the 103 or my 107. With the Indian if I try to get on it below 2500 rpm's it feels sluggish (I did a tune with a powervision and it's a bit better). The 103 or my 107 I can get on it at even below 2000 rpm and it goes. Just a different way than I'm used to riding.
Everything is about what you are used to. It's like talking to Apple and Android people. They all do the same thing, some are slightly different, but ultimately they do the same thing. It's not a bad or good, just what you are accustomed to. Life is full of situations that are new, yet familiar and comfortable and new experiences that are completely foreign and uncomfortable. Some uncomfortable moments are worth pushing ourselves and growing, but not all.
Yes, for sure. I've always been one that liked new stuff when it came to technology but the older I get I like everything to stay the same...haha. Good analogy with the phones, I've always done android and don't like how Apples are, but it would only take me a day to get used to that.
HD isn’t the only bike company? 😂 I ride a road king and love it. But when you said the gear indicator stays on…I’ve always thought HD should keep it on. Not enough reason to buy an Indian though. 😂 great video
Maybe!!!Hahaha. I'm waiting for my daughter to get her full license so we can get her a bigger bike than the Scram411...would love it if she wanted an old Evo sportster
Harley, got it right before anybody else. Their side stand is safe. That's why you have to lean the bike over for it To lock, when you're upright, you take off with the side stand down Whatever it Hits, it'll just fold up. The rider never knew the difference. Honda did not put the safety switch on the Gold wing kickstand until 1988, when the 1500 came out. I know More than 1 person that crashed because Side stand down before that. Harley already had it figured out and they didn't use electronics to do it.
The Pan America has it and it is a Harley. People don't generally like their Harleys to change too much, and won't buy them or even consider them real Harleys, if they change too much.
What? What about starting the bike and letting it warm up to operating temp? Its a kickstand. A side stand is usually aft on the area axle or the swing arm.
@@LJSiar They will run as long as it is in neutral. They will not if in gear and the side stand down. Harley calls them all jiffy stands. Potayto Pototo
Excellent video! When the "woke HD" hoopla happened, I started looking at Indian. Test rode the new Chieftain and Challenger and decided right there I would never be totally happy with it. The signals didn't throw me off (had 3 bikes before my 1st Harley) BUT the lever is SO close to the radio that I'd mute the radio every time I tried to push to cancel. I disagree on the "sound while running". If my Dyna ever "ticked" the way the Indian did, id take it to the shop because something is WRONG. I think the Indians sound like shit. I have test rode the 24 Street Glide, good news - gear indicator stays on while the clutch is pulled 👍 Even the new SG, with stock exhaust, just has a familiar rumble (sound and feel) that is absent on the Indians. It is still HD for me. As for the side stand safety switch - Those are fine UNTIL they go bad. My old Virago had one that crapped out and the bike ALWAYS thought the stand was down (couldn't ride it). I didn't replace it, I bypassed it and never forgot to put my stand up. Solution to a problem that doesn't exist. A better idea would be - you can't put the bike in gear while the steering is locked. I watched a guy do that. Felt bad for him and felt guilty for lmao 😁
I hear you about the motor sound. There is a lot more noise that comes from the motor, and not the good noise. The previous owner did put a cam in this so it does have a good sound and is loud, but when riding, there are a few rattles that seem off. Also the torque curve seems to be in the higher rev ranges which is so weird to the way I normally ride, I'm used to being able to get on it at any rpm and not needing to downshift (most of the time). I'm really wanting to see that video now...for educational purposes only....🤣🤣🤣
@streetsean It wasn't a video, I watched it from 30 feet away. Put it in gear, rode in a tight semi circle and dumped it. I ran over to help him even he knew it was kinda funny... except, eh, it wasn't HIS bike 😱 As for a cam, yea that can change everything. About the torque being in the high range, I never took them over 4k rpm because they were brand new and going to be sold to sum1 who probably wants to break it in correctly. So I probably never saw what they could really do. In that low range, I felt like my 103ci TC could easily hang with them.
Why I don't try out my buddies' bikes...🤣. I didn't have the 103 very long but I did like the sound and the shake a lot, and the power was good as well. I find the Indian having a higher rev range does make it easier to handle on slower speed stuff and the lower centre of gravity helps to.
@@streetsean That center of gravity, on the Chieftain (not so much the Challenger) is INSANE. That bike BEGS to be leaned over. It is nuts, it handles like a bike half its size 👍 I do have to admit that. Its handling is VERY impressive.
It's a '17, with 88,000km, I think its held up ok so far. I've seen videos where people have had issues with Indians, but I've also seen a bunch of people having issues with Harleys. If I go 3 years I think that would be alright as it would be 10 years old and probably due for some fixes...I just hope parts will be available
That was such a nonsense comment. The age of the bike already says its help up well. I ran into a guy the other day with 2013 model that he bought new. It has over 70,000 km on it and he has never had any mechanical work done other than routine maintenance
@pistnbroke2 I agree. I actually talked to a few guys at a harley dealership when I was first looking at a bagger, and 1 guy and the dealership guy both said they only look at used bikes when they have over 100k on them. I still think that's a little much but at least you know the bugs are all worked out and mostly just maintenance
@streetsean I have am '88 model Gsxr that had 97,000km on it. It did get a rebuild just over 20 years ago because I put an oversized kit in it, and it doesn't miss a beat
I’ve had Harleys, Buells, Triumphs, and now Indian, and I can’t say I’ve ever given that much thought to what the starter sounds like.
Haha...I knew there was something wrong with me...🤣
@@streetsean Haha, no, I didn’t think that.
For me the biggest thing to get used to is the button on my right that was the starter button (Road King) is now the power on/off button on my Pursuit. For a while, with the bike already turned on, I would press that button and instead of starting, the Pursuit would turn off. Took me a little while to get used to that.
@vmonk1474 it's funny how it's thr little things that take the longest to get used too. I still have to look at the turn signal to use it on the roadmaster...it hasn't moved but I still do it.
Everyone is constantly criticizing the sound of stock M8’s. And rightfully so. The EPA mandates preclude the production of a Harley ever being produced from the factory with that old time Harley lope. But that sound is easily achieved and surpassed with an even deeper lope from an M8 if you crack the cam chest open and put in a high lift cam along with aftermarket no cat pipes with aftermarket slip ons. Just bite your lip for a couple of years if you’re afraid of warranty issues until it’s out then make your move. My 2018 Road King has an S&S 475 cam, V&H Power Dual head pipes and Shark Road 4.5” slipons. People are constantly asking me what I did to that M8 to get that deep throated spaced out rumble. They say it sounds “old school” but stronger than old school even
That's awesome. I don't mind the sound of the m8 (with aftermarket exhaust), but I didn't realize you can make it sound that good. Does it shake a lot as well?
It does shake. The mirrors have a perceptible vibration and you can feel it in your hands for a while after a long ride. I wish you could hear it run.
@barrylimer3732 Sounds awesome! The twin cams mirrors were unusable stopped at a light..haha
The Harley Pan America has the left side toggle blinker switch, it has the kickstand switch, it has the high whirr starter sound, the gear indicator stay on with the clutch in. I switch between it and my Road Glide just fine.
I think all the rev max bikes may have those. Not a big deal, just an old guy thing of trying to break habits. I did a 2 hour test ride on the Pan America and I think I'd have to break the bad habit of going 50 over the speed limit everywhere...that bike is fast!
I ride an '02 Wide Glide, it was my first Harley, and I absolutely HATE the turn signals. Self canceling turn signals just don't work on a bike. You put the signal on, and it self cancels before the turn. Then you have to turn it on again, and it keeps flashing after you've made the turn, so you have to turn it off manually anyway. And the two button thing is just plain stupid. I spent decades riding bikes with the single switch, some are push to cancel, some you have to move it back to center. Either way it just works. The Harley starter does sound like you have a dead battery. I've gotten used to it, but I do wish it sounded a little stronger. The Harley "jiffystand". What a nightmare. First off, it drags really bad on left turns, you can't find it with your foot because the end is up under the primary cover. Would have been nice if they had put something on it that sticks out that you could find with your foot. Then there is the fact that you have to actually push the bike over past center to fully extend the stand. And when you are parking on asphalt in the summer, and want to put something under it, you have to push the bike way over to the right to get the stand off the ground.
But, those issues are really not a big deal when it comes to the HUGE positive things about a Harley, or at least a pre M8 Harley, and that is the sound and feel. The Wide Glide is a Dyna, so it is rubber mounted, but it still shakes plenty. The M8 and the Indian don't shake at all. They also have no sound. If there is one thing a Harley is known for, it's that beautiful sound, especially with an aftermarket exhaust. They even tried to trademark it once. Now they have gotten rid of it. I test rode an M8, all I could hear was gear whine. It has a very Japanese sound and feel. And Indian, just like Victory, have always felt very Japanese. All those years of riding Japanese bikes I wanted a Harley. For only 2 reasons, and neither one of them had anything to do with the brand. No other motorcycle ever made sounds and feels like an older Harley. My former 1966 Triumph Bonneville probably came the closest out of every bike I've ever owned. That long stroke 360 degree vertical twin had a real nice sound and feel. It shook so much that when you revved it in the garage on the centerstand, something both the Harley and Indian are missing, it would slide across the floor.
Yes the sound! You can't get any better than that. I traded a twin cam ultra for the Indian. The ultra sound was a lot better than my m8 sport glide, and it shook like crazy, which was cool. The Indian made sense for me as it had a bunch of stuff I was going to do to the ultra, so it was cheaper to trade. The previous owner actually put a cam in it so it does have a wicked loping sound, more like an older harley (not quite, but still sounds good). Put of the 3 bikes, I would still say the ultra sounded the best, but what I'm using that bike for, comfort made more sense than sound.
I have my softail to worry about sound, and your right, I don't think there is anything I can do to make it sound like a twin cam or Evo bike.
You are right about the poor sound of a stock M8. But if you put in a high lift cam with aftermarket no cat head pipes and after market slip ons then you have a loping rumble that sounds more like an Evo than even the twin cams do. EPA has HD by the crotch when it comes to terrible stock sound.
The dual sel cancelling turn signals is genius and easily to use. If your self canceling is not working, get it fixed. The manual one signal switch like the cheap japbikes have are a source for multiple accidents as the rider fails to turn it off and drivers pull out in front of them and other scenarios.
@@martincvitkovich724 They are working as designed. It's a bad design. I have been riding on the street for almost 50 years. I have also had a few cars that did not have self canceling turn signals. Turning off turn signals has become an automatic thing. Just like putting the sidestand up before taking off, or making sure the bike is in neutral or the clutch is disengaged before starting it. I have always removed all the "nanny" switches from my bikes. And never had a problem because of it. Cars with self canceling turn signals tend to work very well. But they do not work well on bikes. On a car. turning the steering wheel back straight after a turn cancels the signals. But that won't work on a bike. The problem with the Harely system, and all other self canceling turn signal systems on bikes, at least for me, is that the signal will self cancel BEFORE making the turn, then I have to turn the signal on again, and it will continue flashing AFTER I have made the turn, so I have to manually cancel it. It's a whole lot more hassle than simply leaving the signal on until after you have made the turn, then manually canceling it, which is what I am used to. Having the signal self cancel BEFORE the turn, or continue AFTER the turn is much more dangerous than having full manual control of the signals. It's a solution to a problem that doesn't exist. And it just makes things worse. If the operator of a vehicle, no matter what kind of vehicle, doesn't know how to properly operate it, then they should learn BEFORE operating it in a place where not knowing how to properly operate it could be dangerous.
When I first started riding on the street, back in 1975, I made a list of things to do, and taped it to the tank. Like, put the sidestand up, put the bike in neutral or pull the clutch in before starting, turn the signals on and off, etc. I have ridden around a million miles so far, with no accidents, other than a few off road crashes on dirt bikes.
I don't think I've had it cancel on me before the turn. Like I said, it's not a big deal and is just something I have to get used to. The self canceling on my softail has worked so well that I never had to think about it. On this new bike, I have to think about it, which isn't a bad thing. it just takes time to get into the habit. With me, I only started riding in 2021 and my '18 sport glide was my first bike I've ever owned (it was actually the first bike I ever rode), so I never knew riding without them. Again, these are little nothing things that will just come with more seat time.
Agree on all three complaints.
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The only thing you mentioned that matters while riding is the turn signal. Dump the Harley and it will cease to be a problem. Self cancel seems pretty hit & miss - it works about 9/10 times on my R1200GS. Probably best to just get in the habit of canceling all the time.
That's what I'm starting to learn, it's building the habit of doing it. Again not a big issue just a habit from riding the harley.
I've owned several HDs and never given much thought about the starter sound other than one that is loping along due to a low battery. It wouldn't bother me none since every manufacturer is different. Now a an old MOPAR starter sound is music to my ears.
I'm finding out that I've put a little too much thought into the starter sound...haha. I just like how it cranks...fires me up just as much as the bike.
I dislike the rear antenna on my Roadmaster. The starter on my 49 Pan swears curses and drinks too much beer!
Already changed the antenna on it. That '49 sounds like it would be fun to hang out with...🤣
It's probably just getting used to. I don't like the Taliban comments from the CEO or their direction, but I love the bikes regardless. Ford did the same thing with the Ranger. I'm not selling my vehicles either.
Yes, a new CEO would be great. I'm with you I'm not getting rid of my softail as I love that bike and I do still like Harleys. The roadmaster just made sense to me at this time, and was a lot better of a bike than the ultra I traded in for it.
Ride safe
@@streetsean I'm glad you are enjoying your bike. Thanks for your perspective.
I did not now that about the side stand, but I do agree with the points you made. I do like the turn signals on the left and right. That's one of the reasons I haven't got a different brand bike. But, with this new CEO, and the top management team Harley has, that's going to change. I love my Harley. I wouldn't trade for any other brand. I'm just going to add a new one. It's either Buell or Indian.
I hear yeah. All that crap is why I even started considering a different brand. I was the "but it's not a harley" guy. I'll always have my softail but will consider any other brands now for my second bike.
The first 2 yes.
The only really truly cool starter sound is the air start of a old mack truck like in Mad Max!
It's hard to argue with that...but the harley is pretty cool for a motorcycle.
You said it Harley has a few better things. To me everything about Harley is better!
I'm still a Harley guy, but this roadmaster was a better option for me over the ultra I traded for it. I'm not sure if I was in the market for a brand new tourer I would make the same decision, but I'd for sure still consider the Indian.
@@streetsean I don’t hate Indian. Some of their models are nice. The good thing is we have different options out there. Everyone likes what he likes and it’s your pocketbook you spend it how you want. One of the main reason why I like Harley is not only the machine but the things they have done and do for the American military and vets. Unfortunately they are woke now. But I still have hope in them. Ride safe and enjoy the labor of your hands no matter what you ride. it is a nice bike.
@Carmichael5898 I'm in the same boat as you. I think Indian doing well will only help harley. Some of my favorite Harleys are the ones they do up for the military.
Ride safe!
Good video buddy, had a victory a few years ago and I agree with all your comments.
Thanks. Do you still have a victory?
@@streetsean No, I sold it a few years back. I had a Hammer S, I guess it was Victory's answer to the Fatboy. It was a good bike to be fair and handled well considering the 250 rear tire. Had a 106Cu inch motor if I remember right
@pgd1970 Victory did have some cool bikes (not that touring one that looked like it belongs on the Jetsons though haha). My old neighbour's had one but had to stop riding because of vertigo, he wants to get back into it now but can't bring himself to buy one since parts are only available for a few more years.
There's more than 3 things to get use to on those Indians. Test rode a 2024 Pursuit Dark Horse. I almost turned around after two blocks on that Indian because of how bad things are on those bikes, but I continued on to give it a fair shack. Just found more things I did not like about that bike, and its a lot
Is one the motor? I find this 111 has a way different torque curve than the 103 or my 107. With the Indian if I try to get on it below 2500 rpm's it feels sluggish (I did a tune with a powervision and it's a bit better). The 103 or my 107 I can get on it at even below 2000 rpm and it goes. Just a different way than I'm used to riding.
@@streetsean Several issues are about the motor. Throttle response and dead spot are two of them.
Everything is about what you are used to. It's like talking to Apple and Android people. They all do the same thing, some are slightly different, but ultimately they do the same thing. It's not a bad or good, just what you are accustomed to. Life is full of situations that are new, yet familiar and comfortable and new experiences that are completely foreign and uncomfortable. Some uncomfortable moments are worth pushing ourselves and growing, but not all.
Yes, for sure. I've always been one that liked new stuff when it came to technology but the older I get I like everything to stay the same...haha. Good analogy with the phones, I've always done android and don't like how Apples are, but it would only take me a day to get used to that.
@@streetsean Just to be a jerk, iPhone sucks!
@@austingrrr5191 They sure do!!!!
HD isn’t the only bike company? 😂 I ride a road king and love it. But when you said the gear indicator stays on…I’ve always thought HD should keep it on. Not enough reason to buy an Indian though. 😂 great video
No, for sure, not enough to make the switch. It was always something that bugs me on my sport glide, but I still love it.
@@streetsean might be time to add a third bike. ‘22 road king, ‘07 sportster 1200c, and …. lol
Maybe!!!Hahaha. I'm waiting for my daughter to get her full license so we can get her a bigger bike than the Scram411...would love it if she wanted an old Evo sportster
Id much rather have a single switch
I'm sure I'll get used to it, but right now, I still have to look at the switch for some strange reason when I'm turning...
The side stand is a safety issue. The bike should not start with the side stand down. Maybe some day Harley will get it right.
Yeah I know, but when you get used to putting it in gear and then pulling up the side stand...it's a stubborn old guy thing...
Harley, got it right before anybody else.
Their side stand is safe. That's why you have to lean the bike over for it To lock, when you're upright, you take off with the side stand down Whatever it Hits, it'll just fold up.
The rider never knew the difference.
Honda did not put the safety switch on the Gold wing kickstand until 1988, when the 1500 came out.
I know More than 1 person that crashed because Side stand down before that.
Harley already had it figured out and they didn't use electronics to do it.
The Pan America has it and it is a Harley. People don't generally like their Harleys to change too much, and won't buy them or even consider them real Harleys, if they change too much.
What? What about starting the bike and letting it warm up to operating temp? Its a kickstand. A side stand is usually aft on the area axle or the swing arm.
@@LJSiar They will run as long as it is in neutral. They will not if in gear and the side stand down. Harley calls them all jiffy stands. Potayto Pototo
Harley or Indian. My number one would be that ugly TV screen on these modern bikes. 🤮
I like new tech stuff, but after a ride or two, I forget it's even there.
Excellent video! When the "woke HD" hoopla happened, I started looking at Indian. Test rode the new Chieftain and Challenger and decided right there I would never be totally happy with it. The signals didn't throw me off (had 3 bikes before my 1st Harley) BUT the lever is SO close to the radio that I'd mute the radio every time I tried to push to cancel. I disagree on the "sound while running". If my Dyna ever "ticked" the way the Indian did, id take it to the shop because something is WRONG. I think the Indians sound like shit. I have test rode the 24 Street Glide, good news - gear indicator stays on while the clutch is pulled 👍 Even the new SG, with stock exhaust, just has a familiar rumble (sound and feel) that is absent on the Indians. It is still HD for me. As for the side stand safety switch - Those are fine UNTIL they go bad. My old Virago had one that crapped out and the bike ALWAYS thought the stand was down (couldn't ride it). I didn't replace it, I bypassed it and never forgot to put my stand up. Solution to a problem that doesn't exist. A better idea would be - you can't put the bike in gear while the steering is locked. I watched a guy do that. Felt bad for him and felt guilty for lmao 😁
I hear you about the motor sound. There is a lot more noise that comes from the motor, and not the good noise. The previous owner did put a cam in this so it does have a good sound and is loud, but when riding, there are a few rattles that seem off. Also the torque curve seems to be in the higher rev ranges which is so weird to the way I normally ride, I'm used to being able to get on it at any rpm and not needing to downshift (most of the time).
I'm really wanting to see that video now...for educational purposes only....🤣🤣🤣
@streetsean It wasn't a video, I watched it from 30 feet away. Put it in gear, rode in a tight semi circle and dumped it. I ran over to help him even he knew it was kinda funny... except, eh, it wasn't HIS bike 😱 As for a cam, yea that can change everything. About the torque being in the high range, I never took them over 4k rpm because they were brand new and going to be sold to sum1 who probably wants to break it in correctly. So I probably never saw what they could really do. In that low range, I felt like my 103ci TC could easily hang with them.
Why I don't try out my buddies' bikes...🤣. I didn't have the 103 very long but I did like the sound and the shake a lot, and the power was good as well. I find the Indian having a higher rev range does make it easier to handle on slower speed stuff and the lower centre of gravity helps to.
@@streetsean That center of gravity, on the Chieftain (not so much the Challenger) is INSANE. That bike BEGS to be leaned over. It is nuts, it handles like a bike half its size 👍 I do have to admit that. Its handling is VERY impressive.
@Ten_Mil_Will I found on the ultra I was almost fighting it to keep it upright coming to stops, with the RM it's almost like riding my softail.
Make a video of the Indian in about three years and let me know how it has held up. I don’t think they’re going to. 7:18
It's a '17, with 88,000km, I think its held up ok so far. I've seen videos where people have had issues with Indians, but I've also seen a bunch of people having issues with Harleys. If I go 3 years I think that would be alright as it would be 10 years old and probably due for some fixes...I just hope parts will be available
That was such a nonsense comment. The age of the bike already says its help up well. I ran into a guy the other day with 2013 model that he bought new. It has over 70,000 km on it and he has never had any mechanical work done other than routine maintenance
@pistnbroke2 I agree. I actually talked to a few guys at a harley dealership when I was first looking at a bagger, and 1 guy and the dealership guy both said they only look at used bikes when they have over 100k on them. I still think that's a little much but at least you know the bugs are all worked out and mostly just maintenance
@streetsean I have am '88 model Gsxr that had 97,000km on it. It did get a rebuild just over 20 years ago because I put an oversized kit in it, and it doesn't miss a beat
@pistnbroke2 Thats awesome! I think as long as it is taken care of, bikes will last longer than you think.