Nah, more like unrealistic strategy and misconceptions of the tactics and strategy of war in a country like Vietnam, and it’s native efforts to resist.
@jtgd No,this is coming from McNamara himself. He mistook his models for reality. He states as much in his documentary about the war and his involvement.
I’d also recommend Ken Burns’ PBS documentary series, it was much more balanced than “Vietnam:A Television History”, which was good, but really biased IMO
03:00 - Basically we support free election only if the winning party supports our ideology. I am wondering what do those people understand under word "Free"...
I always skip over it lol it gives me the creeps and I listen to these episodes to fall asleep at night. I’ve watched every episode in this series at least 10 times if you can believe that
I do so love this series...but how the hell do you stop an episode about the American war in Vietnam in 1968, when that phase of the war (Vietnam was at war more or less continuously from about 1942 through 1989) only truly ended in 1973? 🤔
19:59 HA! and to think just a short time later after this documentary, the US would invade Iraq and Afghanistan and it would be an even longer campaign
War and continous wars is the game plan in order to support the Arms & weapons industries in the US. Each US government be it Republicans or Democrats are in league with this conglomerate. They create Bogey man for instance stopping Communism during the cold war and once the breakup of USSR and its Warsaw Pact they created another Bogey Man in the form of countries with 'Weapons of Mass Destruction' (WMD). Its an excuse to rob the oil and resources plus installing the elite banking system (IMF and World Bank) in the guise of promoting so called 'Democracy'. Just look at the condition of Iraq and Libya now after US invasion and meddling. Its a failed states full of instability with armed factions fighting each other. If this is US imported Democracy by hell the US can shove it to you know what!
@@UFCMania155 Not when you consider the brutality and complete difference in tactics and willingness to use those tactics between the Japanese culture and ours - also there's the slight matter of nuclear weapons not being in existence at the time that Japan invaded in WW 2.
The Soviets wanted an independent Vietnam, because the most popular party at the time was the Communist Party. To the Vietnamese, they just wanted to get rid of imperial rule and guarantee it's own self-determination. The United States opposed an independent Vietnam, at first, because they were afraid of the spread of communism. Because of this blind behavior, the United States would support horrible autocrats simply because they to were strongly opposed to communism.
The US was never afraid of communism, the war was a clear imperialistic action against a smaller country, they were even helping the french to take control of their colony, Kennedy ordered the bombing of south Vietnam as early as 1961, the south not the north, to think that the ruling clas in the US actually cares about other people is almost unimaginable.
@@thespamdance311 You don't know that. Chinese encroachment and agitation of Vietnamese and South East Asian nations sovereignty growing ever steady to the chagrin of those living there. Russia ramping up their own aggressive foreign policy in Eastern Europe.. We've been at peace with Vietnam for almost 50 years. Normalized and rapidly growing trade relations, and a foreign policy effectively no longer concerned with Communism in the context of the Cold War. No one knows what the future holds.
Just a small question because I have never understood this war. Feel free to refute, but, are Americans only against a war when they lose and for it when they win?
What was the significance of the French defeat at Dien Bien Phu according to Giap? Why did the Americans not allow the 1956 elections to take place? What was Kennedy’s promise regarding fighting communism? What type of opposition developed against Diem? What was the impact of Diem’s assassination on US policy? What was the significance of the Gulf of Tonkin incident? What kind of attacks were launched by the Vietcong? What was Johnson’s belief regarding the true aim of communist actions in North Vietnam? What was the role of the USSR in Vietnam? What was the impact of Vietnam being ‘a television war’? What problems did the US face in fighting this war? What was the impact of the US bombing of the Ho Chi Minh Trail? How did the Sino-Soviet split affect the Vietnam conflict? What was the nature of the Tet offensive of 1968? What was the significance of the Tet offensive? What was the attitude of Nixon towards peace initiatives?
This documentary about the Cold War in Vietnam showed clearly that the government of then late President Ngo Dinh Diem in the then South Vietnam was not democratic, but autocratic and was ousted by a US-backed military coup on 1963.
What a waste of human lives and i am talking mostly about Vietnamese civilians and soldiers or guerrillas but also (and equally important,cause we are all humans after all and we all suffer in the same way) about 60k US soldiers not calculating the wounded ! If only humanity could learn from our past mistakes and we could find other ways to resolve our differences and not war !!
We don't learn because it wasn't a mistake, examples such as this were very intentional, they had full knowledge of what they were doing, their main concern is to hide it from the general population, that's why I admire the dissidents that stand up against imperialistic acts like this one.
@David Johnston what is the relevance of your comment? Are you justifying US military intervention in what was essentially a popular anti colonial, national struggle for sovereignty?
शक्तिशाली होने का यह अर्थ नहीं कि आप निर्दोषों का खून बहाएं असली शक्ति वह होती है जो लोगों की जान बचाई और शांति की स्थापना करें परंतु आप लोगों ने निर्दोषों का खून बहाया है जिनकी कोई गलती नहीं थी आपने उनको मौत के घाट उतारा है इसके लिए ईश्वर कभी आपको क्षमा नहीं करेगा
True. Yet it wasn't enough for his party that Wilson refused to send troops. The Labour Left wanted a verbal denunciation of the war which Wilson refused to give.
These sound bites are definitely taken out of the same original package. I'm not sure of the exact name of the one this bite comes from, but production companies (such as video game or media companies) pay for licenses and them use them independently.
They forgot to show footage of General Loan shooting that Vietcong officer in the head in the Saigon in February 1968. That was a defining photo of the whole Vietnam War. It was circulated in newspapers all over the world and flashed on TV screens all over the world.
@@dissturbbed the one thing that video the newspapers and the TV industry did not report was the fact that that Vietcong guerilla killed some of General Loan's family, including his in-laws.
They colonized Vietnam in the 1850s, during WW2 they left to fight the Nazis, when they were liberated by the allies they said they won the war and after they sobered up a little from celebrating their freedom from tyranny, first thing they did is return to Vietnam... strange sense of logic.
@@rosesandsongs21 Yeah that was poor form from France: experiencing being colonised by the Germans, being freed by (largely) the US only to deny Vietnam a similar opportunity and limping out to trust the US would bail them out AGAIN! SMH.
@@JohnDoe-yr4wc Poor? A slight understatement I'd say! France went nuts back then, accusing the man who probably saved more French and Jewish lives than any other could have done, Gen. Petain, an 89 y/o military man who gave his life for his country and who dealt with the Germans in a remarkable way. Accusing him of collaboration with the enemy and condemning him to death for doing the best he could is just intolerable. Of course the sentence was commuted to life but they took the precaution of putting a casket in the room besides, just in case... or as a vicious reminder maybe? A casket, I couldn't believe it when I found that out, yes he collaborated but did he have any choice???
If I recall correctly, It's because they talked about the end of the war in various later episodes; this one was only the build-up towards the peak. If you check out all of the episodes of this "Cold War" series, you'd be able to find out which ones.
This documentary series is really good i have to say, but it is somehow confusing. Mostly the episodes are made to describe a start of something. Chronogically it is accurate, but if it comes to episodes it can't be. That's why Le Huy-Anh is right too... And i have to say it one more time: very good documentary series it is indeed.
25:56-26:13 - The dehumanizing racist sentiment against Vietnamese or East Asians aside, had Westmoreland never considered the fact that the National Liberation Front was fighting to defend Vietnam against the US? That they were protecting their own country? They didn't have some savage bloodlust?
Defend Vietnam against the US? Last time I checked no US soldiers ever set foot on North Vietnamese territory. Also, if you watched the video then you would know that the viet cong terrorist were butchering their southern neighbors years before US troops arrived in the country to assist them. Face it, you communist thugs are nothing more than butchers who will murder anyone who wont bow down to your disgusting ideology.
Lol the US bombed South Vietnam wayyyy more than North Vietnam. And any terrorism conducted by the NLF, barely qualified as such when compared to the Phoenix Program or defoliant campaigns. Also, if *you* watched the video, you'd know that the NLF wasn't strictly a communist organization. Do I care that the NLF took measures to eliminate traitors or collaborators with US imperialism? Nope. Not even a little. The resistance to Nazi occupation all over Europe did exactly the same thing. Nobody would dream of referring to that as terrorism (despite the fact that it actually was, and it was basically justified). *Edit* Back to my original point: you're agreeing with Westmoreland's racist depiction of Vietnamese as savage lunatics driven by some mysterious bloodlust unlike us noble Caucasians. That's comical.
We fought a war with Vietnam to prevent the PRC from turning all SE Asia communist. Today we're in the same kind of position today, except this time Vietnam is on the US side. In opposing Chinese expansionism.
@@borninvincible Like what? How to oppress and kill millions of their own citizens? That's why millions of Chinese have left. There's nothing new to learn about China.
Although the Tet offensive failed with its main objective of starting a revolution, it’s other objectives were met. Giap knew that these actions particularly the events in Saigon, Khe Sanh and Hue would change American public perceptions about the war considering how the war was televised. This would be considered the turning point in the Vietnam war.
It's easy to call for the price at any price when you're not there. It's the same today how many of those who send our troops into harms way have their kin on the line?
Underrated moment, when at 26.00 he says ‘then we Caucasians would’. A moment followed by lt col George Forrest, a brave African American speaking about the sacrifices he made for his country. Speaks of the racist draft that was taking place.
Didn't he find a downed pilot before the war and help him get back to safety? The pilot couldn't take him on the rescue chopper so he hiked 19 miles or more to meet a General who thanked him for all his help. When the General asked if he wanted anything, all he said he wanted was the general's signature and he grabbed US letterhead. HCM now had a blank signed piece of paper to fill in when he got into tricky situations. Maybe it was Chiang Kai Shek or Mao...... ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
People keep forgetting that in most Asian countries, the last name is actually the first name. Diem is their first name. The family name comes first and then the personal name. Why else is every leader of North Korea named Kim?
“He was ready to pay a price, than …uh I would say us Caucasians would” *cue a black military officer* Kmt stupid us vets never acknowledge us in any wars. We’re just numbers.
Johnson was one of our greatest domestic presidents , just a rung below FDR . But because of his foreign policy and war on Vietnam he's still burning by his balls in purgatory
@@JamesDeBall a good and decent God would never punish anyone for eternity in hell for things someone did bad in one lifetime on earth . the idea of eternal hell is immoral and the punishment far outweighs the crimes
@@cousinnastee495 If there is a God, whether it be Old Testament “fire and brimstone” God or “love thy neighbor and took the other cheek” New Testament God, LBJ is beyond redemption and truly deserves to burn in hell for eternity. He was a horrible human being.
@@JamesDeBall How do justify eternal suffering for a murderer whose crime made a victim suffer for a limited time ? LBJ and those close to him were the masterminds of the heinous war on Vietnam . But he needed tens, hundreds of thousands of deep state, cia operatives and US military men to carry out the deeds . Even Hitler by himself and perhaps a few other murderous nazis would have killed perhaps a couple dozen mentally ill persons, jews, slavs, russians etc before they would have been being killed in self defense or arrested and executed . You are in error if you think certain persons in history have supernatural powers over their own people to do good or evil . Evil, wars, slavery are systemic , they are due to many machinations and material circumstances . Yes the power elite should suffer the most in some hell after life . But justifying eternal suffering for something they lead, masterminded, took part in some of the actual tortures and murders themselves , or even the millions their followers and armies carried out , are horrible sufferings that are of a limited time . Eternal Hell goes against any philosophical, ethical, moral or common sense arguments or conclusions . Yes i agree that if there is such a place as hell LBJ should burn there, but for an eternity ? eternal intense suffering is immoral in itself
After ww1, at the Treaty of Versailles a young Ho Chi Minh so loved the US constitution , He wanted Vietnam to be a US protectorate and be free of French domination, until it got on its feet as a developing nation . Racist President Wilson would not meet with him . He had no other choice but to seek help from the old USSR and went communist .
And during the Johnson administration he wrote 6 or 7 letters to the state department to ask for US help... he never got an answer. Still, when he wrote a conetitution for his country it started with: All men are created equal...
A large mechanized army cannot win a war against an entrenched indigenous gorilla enemy on its own turf ! Not in Nam not in Afghanistan or anywhere its been tried ! I would think the US would learn from its mistakes ! How many have died trying ? I'm all for defending my country ! But our military just doesn't seam to learn from the past !
The difference with Vietnam is that it was a non-uniformed enemy. Even North Koreans wore uniforms. It led to massive innocent victims who were indistinguishable from the enemy as pointed out here. It's interesting how the first American "boots on the ground" had an air of confidence in the job. The fact there were so many coups in Saigon should have been a clear red flag to Johnson and his advisors that this place had to run its own course. There was no strategic advantage. Vietnam will remain a controversial conflict for a very long time.
Johnson trying paint a political opponent as a "trigger-happy warmonger." Now THAT'S funny. It might have helped if the Yanks had actually been able to FIND the enemy. And the U.S. arms manufacturers (like Bell Helicopter) loved every minute of it. They supplied lousy equipment so they could conveniently replace it one month later.
the domino theory was just that a theory the reason Cambodia and Laos feel to Marxist governments is because of civil wars started domestically pathet lao and the Khmer rouge started their civil wars by themselves not by this domino theory
In the case of Cambodia it is also because the US, believing the VC and NVA had a headquarters complex similar to the American " Pentagon West" near Saigon , invaded the country and backed a coup against the royal family. The resulting military dictatorship was feckless at best.
Too funny David, so you're saying they're still killing them with toxic chemicals? Would you like an ice cold Agent Orange to go with your burger & fries? Shrewd strategy mate.
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10:59 Lyndon Johnson administration
12:38 Gulf of Tonkin incident 1964 - I & II; US Congress Gulf of Tonkin Resolution
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24:26 Battle of Ia Drang 1965
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32:33 Soviet-China split
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I've seen numerous docs on Vietnam, this one, by far, has been one of the best!
"Brothers in arms" is the only one that beats this one for me
This is just an episode. Not much info here.
McNamara was so focused on graphs and charts, instead of the actual conditions on the ground, that he helped lose the war.
Nah, more like unrealistic strategy and misconceptions of the tactics and strategy of war in a country like Vietnam, and it’s native efforts to resist.
@jtgd No,this is coming from McNamara himself. He mistook his models for reality. He states as much in his documentary about the war and his involvement.
excellent footage - the vietnam conflict was never captured so in depth and accurate. can't believe I've not seen this before. cheers
I’d also recommend Ken Burns’ PBS documentary series, it was much more balanced than “Vietnam:A Television History”, which was good, but really biased IMO
"Autocratic methods within a democratic framework were necessary" - perverse reasoning.
This is Assad's best line of defence.
This reasoning lead to truly disgusting things like the Phoenix Program.
Yep, capitalists with a communist framework, we had no choice!
03:00 - Basically we support free election only if the winning party supports our ideology.
I am wondering what do those people understand under word "Free"...
Usa was basically big mad that Vietnam was not going to be what they wanted.
They actually got General Westmoreland on this program!
What Adm. Stockwell says at 13:20 about the Tonkin Gulf is interesting. Sounds to me like it never really happened.
It did nor happen.
I love the intro of these series :v
Yes.
nice pfp lol
I always skip over it lol it gives me the creeps and I listen to these episodes to fall asleep at night. I’ve watched every episode in this series at least 10 times if you can believe that
16:17 goddamn it, you MISSED 6!
Stockdale! Perot running mate lampooned hilariously by Phil Hartman on SNL. "Who am I?! Why am I here?!"
Down with colonial slavery, up yours with communist slavery, said the fool with the shoe.
Fuck colonialism!
@@joshuacondell1686 Fuck Communism and colonialism
@@kallumlamb3922 fuck colonialism and imperialism. Long live the proletariat. Workers of the world unite!
@@joshuacondell1686 You're not a commie are you?😂
@@kallumlamb3922 yes I am. I'm proud to be.
19:43 very similar things were said when US troops sailed for Korea in 1950.
This is a good documentary.
5:03 Bless you
lmao
I do so love this series...but how the hell do you stop an episode about the American war in Vietnam in 1968, when that phase of the war (Vietnam was at war more or less continuously from about 1942 through 1989) only truly ended in 1973? 🤔
19:59
HA!
and to think just a short time later after this documentary, the US would invade Iraq and Afghanistan and it would be an even longer campaign
Afghanistan is another military adventure like Vietnam with no plan for winning. USA just stays there...because war on nouns.
War and continous wars is the game plan in order to support the Arms & weapons industries in the US. Each US government be it Republicans or Democrats are in league with this conglomerate. They create Bogey man for instance stopping Communism during the cold war and once the breakup of USSR and its Warsaw Pact they created another Bogey Man in the form of countries with 'Weapons of Mass Destruction' (WMD). Its an excuse to rob the oil and resources plus installing the elite banking system (IMF and World Bank) in the guise of promoting so called 'Democracy'. Just look at the condition of Iraq and Libya now after US invasion and meddling. Its a failed states full of instability with armed factions fighting each other. If this is US imported Democracy by hell the US can shove it to you know what!
Stupid is as stupid does, rinse and repeat.
It's funny that the Japanese invaded vietnam in ww2 in less than a week and the americans couldn't do it in 7 years rofl
@@UFCMania155 Not when you consider the brutality and complete difference in tactics and willingness to use those tactics between the Japanese culture and ours - also there's the slight matter of nuclear weapons not being in existence at the time that Japan invaded in WW 2.
The Soviets wanted an independent Vietnam, because the most popular party at the time was the Communist Party. To the Vietnamese, they just wanted to get rid of imperial rule and guarantee it's own self-determination. The United States opposed an independent Vietnam, at first, because they were afraid of the spread of communism. Because of this blind behavior, the United States would support horrible autocrats simply because they to were strongly opposed to communism.
Yay let's support an autocratic Communist, do you even think before you speak?
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Tungsten and Rubber sold to america dirt cheap is the real reason as to why america couldnt let vietnam go free...
The US was never afraid of communism, the war was a clear imperialistic action against a smaller country, they were even helping the french to take control of their colony, Kennedy ordered the bombing of south Vietnam as early as 1961, the south not the north, to think that the ruling clas in the US actually cares about other people is almost unimaginable.
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Ho Chi Minh an autocrat...fuck, your hilarious...😂
And I
Totally
Having lost a leg there I still salute Charlie!
They knew how to fight, that's for damn sure.
Suck up to them all you like, they're not gonna give it back.
@@thespamdance311 You don't know that.
Chinese encroachment and agitation of Vietnamese and South East Asian nations sovereignty growing ever steady to the chagrin of those living there. Russia ramping up their own aggressive foreign policy in Eastern Europe..
We've been at peace with Vietnam for almost 50 years. Normalized and rapidly growing trade relations, and a foreign policy effectively no longer concerned with Communism in the context of the Cold War.
No one knows what the future holds.
@@thespamdance311 Only a non-soldier talks like you do
Hi Chi Mihn also made time to work in a Boston hotel. True story
He also worked in a hotel in Central London UK where the New Zealand Embassy is located.
Mr howarth way to many questions took me ages
Jfk had a Domino effect all right. Fall of us army in Vietnam and fall of moral at home front..
Just a small question because I have never understood this war. Feel free to refute, but, are Americans only against a war when they lose and for it when they win?
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What was the significance of the French defeat at Dien Bien Phu according to Giap?
Why did the Americans not allow the 1956 elections to take place?
What was Kennedy’s promise regarding fighting communism?
What type of opposition developed against Diem?
What was the impact of Diem’s assassination on US policy?
What was the significance of the Gulf of Tonkin incident?
What kind of attacks were launched by the Vietcong?
What was Johnson’s belief regarding the true aim of communist actions in North Vietnam?
What was the role of the USSR in Vietnam?
What was the impact of Vietnam being ‘a television war’?
What problems did the US face in fighting this war?
What was the impact of the US bombing of the Ho Chi Minh Trail?
How did the Sino-Soviet split affect the Vietnam conflict?
What was the nature of the Tet offensive of 1968?
What was the significance of the Tet offensive?
What was the attitude of Nixon towards peace initiatives?
This documentary about the Cold War in Vietnam showed clearly that the government of then late President Ngo Dinh Diem in the then South Vietnam was not democratic, but autocratic and was ousted by a US-backed military coup on 1963.
24:20 Winning hearts and minds right there...
What a waste of human lives and i am talking mostly about Vietnamese civilians and soldiers or guerrillas but also (and equally important,cause we are all humans after all and we all suffer in the same way) about 60k US soldiers not calculating the wounded !
If only humanity could learn from our past mistakes and we could find other ways to resolve our differences and not war !!
We don't learn because it wasn't a mistake, examples such as this were very intentional, they had full knowledge of what they were doing, their main concern is to hide it from the general population, that's why I admire the dissidents that stand up against imperialistic acts like this one.
Well said.
@David Johnston communism is bad but so is bombing children with napalm
@David Johnston the USA took control of, or interfered in, former European Colonies before the Russian Revolution.
@David Johnston what is the relevance of your comment? Are you justifying US military intervention in what was essentially a popular anti colonial, national struggle for sovereignty?
Does this documentary deal at any length with the war in Afghanistan? That was the USSR's "Vietnam".
Yes. Look up Cold War - Soldiers of God. That is about Soviet invasion of Afghanistan 1979-1989.
Yes
WhatAboutism
Does anybody know how the song at 38:08 is called? :(
Ironic to watch this docu in August 2021
anyone know what song that is at 38:09?
शक्तिशाली होने का यह अर्थ नहीं कि आप निर्दोषों का खून बहाएं असली शक्ति वह होती है जो लोगों की जान बचाई और शांति की स्थापना करें परंतु आप लोगों ने निर्दोषों का खून बहाया है जिनकी कोई गलती नहीं थी आपने उनको मौत के घाट उतारा है इसके लिए ईश्वर कभी आपको क्षमा नहीं करेगा
LBJ fell out with the British Prime Minister Harold Wilson because he refuse to send troops to Vietnam.
True. Yet it wasn't enough for his party that Wilson refused to send troops. The Labour Left wanted a verbal denunciation of the war which Wilson refused to give.
I’m a south vietnamese
Is your government still communist
that shot at 7:24 hurt!!!! damn
For anyone who plays civilization, you might recognize this sound bite taken after 14:49
These sound bites are definitely taken out of the same original package. I'm not sure of the exact name of the one this bite comes from, but production companies (such as video game or media companies) pay for licenses and them use them independently.
They forgot to show footage of General Loan shooting that Vietcong officer in the head in the Saigon in February 1968. That was a defining photo of the whole Vietnam War. It was circulated in newspapers all over the world and flashed on TV screens all over the world.
Thats wonderful, they should have also shown vietcong cutting off dicks and shoving it in american soldiers mouth.
@@dissturbbed I agree.
@@dissturbbed except... Vietnam was under AMERICAN occupation and was defending itself against U.S. aggression
Joshua Condell We were there to stop the North from invading the south. Same as we did for Korea and a few other countries.
@@dissturbbed the one thing that video the newspapers and the TV industry did not report was the fact that that Vietcong guerilla killed some of General Loan's family, including his in-laws.
3:30 So election are fine as long as the party you want to win, wins? Otherwise, no elections?
imagine France losing to a tiny nation when they have one the most successful military histories in the world
They colonized Vietnam in the 1850s, during WW2 they left to fight the Nazis, when they were liberated by the allies they said they won the war and after they sobered up a little from celebrating their freedom from tyranny, first thing they did is return to Vietnam... strange sense of logic.
@@rosesandsongs21 Yeah that was poor form from France: experiencing being colonised by the Germans, being freed by (largely) the US only to deny Vietnam a similar opportunity and limping out to trust the US would bail them out AGAIN! SMH.
@@JohnDoe-yr4wc Poor? A slight understatement I'd say! France went nuts back then, accusing the man who probably saved more French and Jewish lives than any other could have done, Gen. Petain, an 89 y/o military man who gave his life for his country and who dealt with the Germans in a remarkable way. Accusing him of collaboration with the enemy and condemning him to death for doing the best he could is just intolerable. Of course the sentence was commuted to life but they took the precaution of putting a casket in the room besides, just in case... or as a vicious reminder maybe? A casket, I couldn't believe it when I found that out, yes he collaborated but did he have any choice???
Shouldn't this be 1954-1975? THAT was the year that Vietnam actually fell.
If I recall correctly, It's because they talked about the end of the war in various later episodes; this one was only the build-up towards the peak.
If you check out all of the episodes of this "Cold War" series, you'd be able to find out which ones.
This documentary series is really good i have to say, but it is somehow confusing. Mostly the episodes are made to describe a start of something. Chronogically it is accurate, but if it comes to episodes it can't be. That's why Le Huy-Anh is right too... And i have to say it one more time: very good documentary series it is indeed.
Actually it should be from 1945 to 1975. It's Vietnam's version of the 30 years war
25:56-26:13 - The dehumanizing racist sentiment against Vietnamese or East Asians aside, had Westmoreland never considered the fact that the National Liberation Front was fighting to defend Vietnam against the US? That they were protecting their own country? They didn't have some savage bloodlust?
Defend Vietnam against the US? Last time I checked no US soldiers ever set foot on North Vietnamese territory. Also, if you watched the video then you would know that the viet cong terrorist were butchering their southern neighbors years before US troops arrived in the country to assist them. Face it, you communist thugs are nothing more than butchers who will murder anyone who wont bow down to your disgusting ideology.
Lol the US bombed South Vietnam wayyyy more than North Vietnam. And any terrorism conducted by the NLF, barely qualified as such when compared to the Phoenix Program or defoliant campaigns. Also, if *you* watched the video, you'd know that the NLF wasn't strictly a communist organization. Do I care that the NLF took measures to eliminate traitors or collaborators with US imperialism? Nope. Not even a little. The resistance to Nazi occupation all over Europe did exactly the same thing. Nobody would dream of referring to that as terrorism (despite the fact that it actually was, and it was basically justified). *Edit* Back to my original point: you're agreeing with Westmoreland's racist depiction of Vietnamese as savage lunatics driven by some mysterious bloodlust unlike us noble Caucasians. That's comical.
That's correct, the VC & the NVA (the North Vietnamese Army) did commit atrocities.
RazzleDazzle
For sure!!!
@@67nairb they were defending their country
Incredible footage but I really didn’t want to see a person burning alive.
3:55-4:07 WHAT THE HECK IT IS? THEY TALKING LIKE THEY ACTING ON MOVIE!
We fought a war with Vietnam to prevent the PRC from turning all SE Asia communist. Today we're in the same kind of position today, except this time Vietnam is on the US side. In opposing Chinese expansionism.
Westerners have a lot to learn about China. Still. 🤣
@@borninvincible Like what? How to oppress and kill millions of their own citizens? That's why millions of Chinese have left. There's nothing new to learn about China.
Protomario was i n the vietnam war
Although the Tet offensive failed with its main objective of starting a revolution, it’s other objectives were met. Giap knew that these actions particularly the events in Saigon, Khe Sanh and Hue would change American public perceptions about the war considering how the war was televised. This would be considered the turning point in the Vietnam war.
It's easy to call for the price at any price when you're not there. It's the same today how many of those who send our troops into harms way have their kin on the line?
Johnson, Kennedy, and Nixon all served in WWII, they knew what was on the line.
At 13:00 minutes in did anyone else notice that McNamara sounds alot like Ben Shapiro?
Underrated moment, when at 26.00 he says ‘then we Caucasians would’. A moment followed by lt col George Forrest, a brave African American speaking about the sacrifices he made for his country. Speaks of the racist draft that was taking place.
I notice they fail to mention that HCM was also trained by the OSS during WW2.
Didn't he find a downed pilot before the war and help him get back to safety? The pilot couldn't take him on the rescue chopper so he hiked 19 miles or more to meet a General who thanked him for all his help. When the General asked if he wanted anything, all he said he wanted was the general's signature and he grabbed US letterhead. HCM now had a blank signed piece of paper to fill in when he got into tricky situations.
Maybe it was Chiang Kai Shek or Mao...... ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
7:15 this just pisses me off so badly
Why does Hanoi still smirk at its costly victories today?
Because the key word in that sentence is 'victories.'
Why do the Russians smirk at winning the greatest conflict in history?
Where is sanuga?
Was Bui Diem a relative of Ngo Dinh Diem?
People keep forgetting that in most Asian countries, the last name is actually the first name. Diem is their first name. The family name comes first and then the personal name. Why else is every leader of North Korea named Kim?
“He was ready to pay a price, than …uh I would say us Caucasians would”
*cue a black military officer*
Kmt stupid us vets never acknowledge us in any wars. We’re just numbers.
Who's here from Mr. Chase's history class? #EasternSHS
I’m here from Ms. Hulseys class OCHS gang
Johnson was one of our greatest domestic presidents , just a rung below FDR . But because of his foreign policy and war on Vietnam he's still burning by his balls in purgatory
LBJ definitely didn’t make it to purgatory.
@@JamesDeBall a good and decent God would never punish anyone for eternity in hell for things someone did bad in one lifetime on earth . the idea of eternal hell is immoral and the punishment far outweighs the crimes
@@cousinnastee495 If there is a God, whether it be Old Testament “fire and brimstone” God or “love thy neighbor and took the other cheek” New Testament God, LBJ is beyond redemption and truly deserves to burn in hell for eternity. He was a horrible human being.
@@JamesDeBall How do justify eternal suffering for a murderer whose crime made a victim suffer for a limited time ? LBJ and those close to him were the masterminds of the heinous war on Vietnam . But he needed tens, hundreds of thousands of deep state, cia operatives and US military men to carry out the deeds . Even Hitler by himself and perhaps a few other murderous nazis would have killed perhaps a couple dozen mentally ill persons, jews, slavs, russians etc before they would have been being killed in self defense or arrested and executed . You are in error if you think certain persons in history have supernatural powers over their own people to do good or evil . Evil, wars, slavery are systemic , they are due to many machinations and material circumstances . Yes the power elite should suffer the most in some hell after life . But justifying eternal suffering for something they lead, masterminded, took part in some of the actual tortures and murders themselves , or even the millions their followers and armies carried out , are horrible sufferings that are of a limited time . Eternal Hell goes against any philosophical, ethical, moral or common sense arguments or conclusions . Yes i agree that if there is such a place as hell LBJ should burn there, but for an eternity ? eternal intense suffering is immoral in itself
Bro got beef with Vietcong but bomb Cambodia lmao
India would have never been communist..
India was pro soviet
5:15 and yet there is an ironic belief that Kennedy had he lived would have left Vietnam
yep what a crock...mainstream media trying to save face for there demagogue saviour 😆
After ww1, at the Treaty of Versailles a young Ho Chi Minh so loved the US constitution , He wanted Vietnam to be a US protectorate and be free of French domination, until it got on its feet as a developing nation . Racist President Wilson would not meet with him . He had no other choice but to seek help from the old USSR and went communist .
And during the Johnson administration he wrote 6 or 7 letters to the state department to ask for US help... he never got an answer. Still, when he wrote a conetitution for his country it started with: All men are created equal...
Johnson and Wilson both Democrats
Longest military war in history🔥🤫
This documentary was created in 1990s, so the wae was the longest up to that point.
Ay chat is this W rizz?
North did respond. Constant bombing of Hanoi and it's port forced the north to the negotiation table
why did the fall of Saigon 1975? VC(Viet cộng)
Why Ngô Đình Diệm died in 1963? VC
Should have remained a French Colony.
Had we supported the French fully, we could have won.
We could've won the Vietnam War and marched all the way to Hanoi and the Chinese wouldn't have had any beef about it.
A large mechanized army cannot win a war against an entrenched indigenous gorilla enemy on its own turf ! Not in Nam not in Afghanistan or anywhere its been tried ! I would think the US would learn from its mistakes ! How many have died trying ? I'm all for defending my country ! But our military just doesn't seam to learn from the past !
The difference with Vietnam is that it was a non-uniformed enemy. Even North Koreans wore uniforms. It led to massive innocent victims who were indistinguishable from the enemy as pointed out here. It's interesting how the first American "boots on the ground" had an air of confidence in the job. The fact there were so many coups in Saigon should have been a clear red flag to Johnson and his advisors that this place had to run its own course. There was no strategic advantage. Vietnam will remain a controversial conflict for a very long time.
WaR CRIMINALS!
You better mean the Vietnamese and the Americans. Both sides committed atrocities, neither side was pure or free of guilt
36:37
we should won vitenamwar
Hpw ? I was there in the Delta from 3 Jan to 11 Dec 69. The ARVN did care and the local peasants we met just wanted to be left alone.
@@margretsdad Departments of Psychology and Sociology in Harvard and Columbia should have been consulted before venturing out to Vietnam.
the corruption and incompetence of the US in vietnam boggles the mind
Johnson trying paint a political opponent as a "trigger-happy warmonger." Now THAT'S funny.
It might have helped if the Yanks had actually been able to FIND the enemy.
And the U.S. arms manufacturers (like Bell Helicopter) loved every minute of it. They supplied lousy equipment so they could conveniently replace it one month later.
the domino theory was just that a theory the reason Cambodia and Laos feel to Marxist governments is because of civil wars started domestically pathet lao and the Khmer rouge started their civil wars by themselves not by this domino theory
In the case of Cambodia it is also because the US, believing the VC and NVA had a headquarters complex similar to the American " Pentagon West" near Saigon , invaded the country and backed a coup against the royal family. The resulting military dictatorship was feckless at best.
French alywas lose their battles
Ever heard of the early career of Napoleon?
The tale of Joan of Arc?
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Nishant Tyagi poop power
History dhyan se padh
Russia stood with India where no one did.
Though I respect India's non alignment
You know the difference between vietcong and civilians? Vietcong run before they die.
thanks to USSR God bless USSR for the help they give to Africa and Vietnam freedom
At what cost?
Starbucks and Mcdonalds on every street corner in Saigon today with everyone holding an iphone to their ear. Who won again?
Turn that iPhone around and read where it was made. Who won again?
Made in Taiwan, which is a free and democratic country thanks to US support.
Too funny David, so you're saying they're still killing them with toxic chemicals? Would you like an ice cold Agent Orange to go with your burger & fries? Shrewd strategy mate.
David Lamont
What is this Saigon you speak of?
Do you mean Ho Chi Minh city?
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This is bad