I did do videos on Southern Pacific Cab Forward # 4294. It's my first favorite Cab Forward steam locomotive in all Cab Forward steam locomotives. It's the sole survivor Cab Forward locomotive from the Southern Pacific. It was built by Baldwin locomotive works in 1944, it's a 4-8-8-2 class AC-12 locomotive and it's found at the California state railroad museum.
2:35 I actually went to the California State Railroad Museum in 2014 while visiting my cousins new home they just moved to and saw 4294 while I was there. I didn't know I actually saw it until looking back at some photos on Sunday when I went plus the same day I went there I was too excited and get too excited and threw up (noting joking) I was 12 okay I've changed a lot since then and I hope I can go back there again to see it
A shame that 4274 did not make it into preservation, but it's nice to know there is footage of her last ever run. This was a great video, and I look forward to seeing next year's 'Month of Pentrex' videos.
@@josephf-p9668 She is an AC-12, the last class of Cab Forward rostered by SP. If you like this, then check out the Cab Forward Collection by Pentrex, its well worth it.
I grew up near Sacramento California, and my dad would take me and my brother to the railroad museum there, and the cab foreword has been one of my favorite trains of all time. It would be cool yet unlikely to see the one at the museum run again.
For many years after the museum opened you were not allowed into the cab of this locomotive as well as NO FLASH PHOTGRAPHY was allowed through out the museum. Times changed with knowledge and public pressure, so now cab access and flash photography are allowed. The "original" Cab forward was built back in the 1800's (out of two wrecked locomotives) by the shops of the old narrow gauge North Pacific Coast Railroad that ran from Sausalito north then out what is now Sir Francis Drake Blvd to the coast then north up through Point Reyes Station, Tomales, Occidental to Monte Rio were it connected with the standard gauge to so to Santa Rosa and south through Sonoma Valley to Sausalito, known as the "Triangle Route" for weekenders from the City that would take the Ferries to Sausalito, wouldn't it be nice to have that now!!!!!!
At the end of the film they had mentioned a movement to preserve SP4274, but it eventually fell through, and she and the rest of her kind all fell to the Scrapper's torch. I'd like see a project to rebuild AC-10 no.4219 to original specs, since SP4219's tender is actually still around and operational as GS-4 4449's auxiliary water tender, that way we could see at least half of an original Cab Forward operating, while the only real survivor could remain safely indoors to keep the state of California happy. This might sound a bit ridiculous but this isn't the first proposal to revive an extinct or almost extinct locomotive via rebuilding, plus with modern equipment and the added benefit of using all-new materials with no exposure to the elements and years of wear and tear, this might even be more economically feasible than simply restoring 4294.
As long as it has those characteristic ever-pulsing air compressors (you hear them throughout the video), I'm happy. I've always been fascinated by the sound of those air compressors.
Armagon Armagon Well it would be built to original specs, I mean they would probably have to install some modern equipment in the cab like radios and signal display. I don't see any reason they would have to move the air compressors.
But, SP4294 was the last of her kind, if I remember correctly... But on the other hand, she wasn't used that much, hence being retired on March the 5th, 1956. But I do know that she was restored in May 1981. And also scrapped in 1905.
To add weight to your comment about it being nearly impossible to see another cab-forward run, it doesn't get more accurate, since there is only 1 cab-forward left in existence, and the California State Railroad Museum has absolutely no interest in ever bringing her under steam again.
They said that none of the Big Boys would ever run again but the UP Steam Team decided otherwise and overhauled 4014.If the California State Railroad Museum gave permission UP would send a diesel to tow the cab forward to Cheyenne to begin its evaluation and overhaul.There are plenty of wealthy people in California who would pay for the labor and new parts manufacture.
4274 was - sadly - sent to scrap after this "final run". 4294 isn't economically viable to restore to operation, either. It's best just sitting in the museum as it stands and besides, CSRM takes good care of it.
Ultrasound done on the boiler some years ago revealed it to be rotted-away to nothing. When it was originally displayed outdoors after retirement, someone forgot to cap the stack. Amazing what can be covered-up with a shiny coat of paint.
I only want to go to Cali just to see this big beast. Too bad there wasn’t more preserved but with technology now I don’t see how they aren’t capable of returning to operations. Literally over a dozen steamers were restored to operations last year alone and 4-5 by summer this year
Air pumps that provide compressed air for air brakes. I was around when these were still running, and that noise instantly told what kind of locomotive it was, even if it was not in view.
Technically, this isn't really a Pentrex film, it was made by Video Rails back in the 90s, Pentrex just re-released it on DVD with their label. I actually still have a copy of this on VHS with the original Video Rails boxart. You can tell it's Video Rails because it has the manly voice of Jim Knight narrating it, no offense to Dave Drui from Pentrex, but he just doesn't have that... super masculine voice.
She sounded tired. Kind of sad. You can tell they really had to patch it up... With the right money and vision another Cab Forward could be reconstructed to run again.
It's a true shame that SP 4274 didn't survive being scrapped as this locomotive had some excursion service operation history, I personally think that at least 2 or 3 of the "cab forward" type steam locomotives should have been preserved for public observation as these are unique design appearance articulated steam engines.
I think that will locomotive will be running on steam again when I go to California on October 2020 and I will Jewelry storage for restoration to be running on steam again
With somebody please go to the Vatican and “ borrow” the Chronovisor so we can get some new train videos recorded. All of us would really appreciate it
I had heard that cab forward engines were not popular by the crew. Even tho there was much better visibility, they often did not feel safe. Similarly, when Diesel electrics came out, the engineers would run them backwards because of they got into an accident, there would at least be something between the other object and crew
Maybe the feelings towards the cab-forwards were mistrustful in the 20s, but by the 50s no doubt that was long gone. Crews liked the forward-facing F7 for making them feel high and safer in a collision. Most early diesel electrics ran long-hood forward or had duel-controls for long and short hood operations.
@@trainmaster844 Fair comment, I had never seen this type of loco until now, nevertheless oil fired were always more polluting than coal/wood could ever be.
The Big Boy locomotive is now running on 5 grade oil! Suggest you make a cab forwad run on hotmetal, see my blog. Or google on my name swami sangopadra I test out for you all firebox 20mm hotmetal pipes in boiler 10cm 20cm 30cm 40cm (?) same number wall thickness in mm. 10 20 30 40 that should drive it. How to regulate the heat
+Devan Rivera Whoever they were, they were smart, the cab forwards, especially the AC-4s through AC-12s were among the most successful articulated types in the world, Baldwin produced over 500 of these monsters for SP, one was leased to future partner-line D&RGW but they ended up going with a diesel fleet before they could seriously consider using a Cab Forward on their line. You could look at the fact they were only used on one line as a failure, but that one line was the biggest railroad west of the Mississippi and they outnumbered all Challengers, Big Boys and Yellowstones combined across the US. Honestly their limited use if anything is more of a failure on the Railroad industry than on the design itself.
It was a good idea because the Southern Pacific had many tunnels on their main lines. In a conventional locomotive, in very long tunnels or snow sheds, the crews could be asphyxiated by the hot gases coming from the locomotive's smokestack. The Cab Forwards solved this problem by putting the crew ahead of the smoke stack, thereby turning the entire engine around, saving the crews.
They weren't that limited in use to be honest. True, they may have been designed specifically for the steep and heavily-tunneled Donner Pass, but they were used all over the SP. Drag freights, fast freights, even passenger trains like the Owl and the Lark. They even pulled a streamlined train for the World's Fair on Treasure Island in 1939 & 1940. The Cab-Forwards were really one of the most versatile steam locomotives west of Chicago.
The Southern Pacific ordered the Cab Forwards as a solution to the problem of smoke in the tunnels on Donner Pass. By placing the cab at the front of the locomotive, the crew wouldn't be asphyxiated by the exhaust. It worked a treat because 256 were built over a nearly 30 year period.
even though 4274 is no longer around let's be glad 4294 is still around at the California State Railroad Museum in Sacrament
Ah yes, *_S a c r a m e n t_*
4294 is the only surviving cab forward steam engine in existence.
@@jamesholton2630 ik and I've seen it twice irl myself.
I climbed into the cab of 4294 at the California Railroad Museum in Sacramento. Very impressive.
This review is 100% accurate about this video. I was lucky enough to a copy of this video at The California State Railroad Museum.
I went there to the museum i went inside and looked at EVERYTHING it was cool.
I did do videos on Southern Pacific Cab Forward # 4294. It's my first favorite Cab Forward steam locomotive in all Cab Forward steam locomotives. It's the sole survivor Cab Forward locomotive from the Southern Pacific. It was built by Baldwin locomotive works in 1944, it's a 4-8-8-2 class AC-12 locomotive and it's found at the California state railroad museum.
Where do we purchase a copy of your film on Southern Pacific Cab Forward #4294, please?
Ive been to the museum before. I have pictures of it
2:35 I actually went to the California State Railroad Museum in 2014 while visiting my cousins new home they just moved to and saw 4294 while I was there. I didn't know I actually saw it until looking back at some photos on Sunday when I went plus the same day I went there I was too excited and get too excited and threw up (noting joking) I was 12 okay I've changed a lot since then and I hope I can go back there again to see it
A shame that 4274 did not make it into preservation, but it's nice to know there is footage of her last ever run. This was a great video, and I look forward to seeing next year's 'Month of Pentrex' videos.
Thank you very much for your support! :D
im pretty sure there is a cab-forward in the Sacramento Rail Museum, not sure which one it is though :)
4294 is the sole survivor
@@josephf-p9668 She is an AC-12, the last class of Cab Forward rostered by SP. If you like this, then check out the Cab Forward Collection by Pentrex, its well worth it.
4274 would've been preserved at a museum OR rebuilt from scratch
The footage starting at 1:25 was shot just a few hundred feet south west of the present-day English Colony Way subway west of Penryn, CA.
🎶”Ain't about how fast I get there, Ain't about what's waiting on the other side, It's the climb!”🎶
I went to the California railway museum and I went on the cab forward with my dad
I grew up near Sacramento California, and my dad would take me and my brother to the railroad museum there, and the cab foreword has been one of my favorite trains of all time. It would be cool yet unlikely to see the one at the museum run again.
For many years after the museum opened you were not allowed into the cab of this locomotive as well as NO FLASH PHOTGRAPHY was allowed through out the museum. Times changed with knowledge and public pressure, so now cab access and flash photography are allowed.
The "original" Cab forward was built back in the 1800's (out of two wrecked locomotives) by the shops of the old narrow gauge North Pacific Coast Railroad that ran from Sausalito north then out what is now Sir Francis Drake Blvd to the coast then north up through Point Reyes Station, Tomales, Occidental to Monte Rio were it connected with the standard gauge to so to Santa Rosa and south through Sonoma Valley to Sausalito, known as the "Triangle Route" for weekenders from the City that would take the Ferries to Sausalito, wouldn't it be nice to have that now!!!!!!
i wish you kept going this year
with this series
At the end of the film they had mentioned a movement to
preserve SP4274, but it eventually fell through, and she and the rest of
her kind all fell to the Scrapper's torch.
I'd like see a project to rebuild AC-10 no.4219 to original specs, since SP4219's tender is actually still around and operational as GS-4 4449's auxiliary water tender, that way we could see at least half of an original Cab Forward operating, while the only real survivor could remain safely indoors to keep the state of California happy.
This might sound a bit ridiculous but this isn't the first proposal to revive an extinct or almost extinct locomotive via rebuilding, plus with modern equipment and the added benefit of using all-new materials with no exposure to the elements and years of wear and tear, this might even be more economically feasible than simply restoring 4294.
As long as it has those characteristic ever-pulsing air compressors (you hear them throughout the video), I'm happy. I've always been fascinated by the sound of those air compressors.
Armagon Armagon
Well it would be built to original specs, I mean they would probably have to install some modern equipment in the cab like radios and signal display.
I don't see any reason they would have to move the air compressors.
But, SP4294 was the last of her kind, if I remember correctly...
But on the other hand, she wasn't used that much, hence being retired on March the 5th, 1956.
But I do know that she was restored in May 1981.
And also scrapped in 1905.
4294 is in good condition though
I like to add to that they used the same music from Santa Fe 3751: Route of The Chiefs in this video which I was Surprise about it.
I Love this locomotive
To add weight to your comment about it being nearly impossible to see another cab-forward run, it doesn't get more accurate, since there is only 1 cab-forward left in existence, and the California State Railroad Museum has absolutely no interest in ever bringing her under steam again.
If I had a say at all, I'd have this one be the Cab Forward in Sacramento, then have 4294 be operational in excursions.
They said that none of the Big Boys would ever run again but the UP Steam Team decided otherwise and overhauled 4014.If the California State Railroad Museum gave permission UP would send a diesel to tow the cab forward to Cheyenne to begin its evaluation and overhaul.There are plenty of wealthy people in California who would pay for the labor and new parts manufacture.
I love this adventure! ❤😊😊
what happen to 4274? what if California state railroad museum ran 4294, that would be so awesome to see run again!
4274 was - sadly - sent to scrap after this "final run".
4294 isn't economically viable to restore to operation, either. It's best just sitting in the museum as it stands and besides, CSRM takes good care of it.
4274 was a sister of 4294.
@@jamesholton2630 the only difference being was that 4274 was an AC-11 while 4294 was the last ever built cab forward as an AC-12
Oh
These cab forward are famous
What's that strange whistle-like sound that heard from the locomotive!?
It's actually coming from the back of the locomotive. They are excessive pressure release pipes
Air pumps
Wasn't there a shorter version of it in the Steam Across America Part 2 DVD.
What is the song at 0:45
4294 might get restored as it’s almost in perfect and good condition
I wish they would UP spent 5 years restoring Big Boy 4014 they could restore this one too. After all UP now own SP.
@@MrEd-qg8td UP does own SP but 4294 was not owned by SP when UP bought them.
Ultrasound done on the boiler some years ago revealed it to be rotted-away to nothing. When it was originally displayed outdoors after retirement, someone forgot to cap the stack. Amazing what can be covered-up with a shiny coat of paint.
@@oldspguy4786 it’s really sad to see that. Some idiot ruined a piece of art.
“Thomas had never before seen such a strange engine.”
I only want to go to Cali just to see this big beast. Too bad there wasn’t more preserved but with technology now I don’t see how they aren’t capable of returning to operations. Literally over a dozen steamers were restored to operations last year alone and 4-5 by summer this year
“The diesels won the race, but could never take her place.”
Does anyone know what those noises the cab forward is making when in operation? I never can figure out what it is?
Excess pressure relief pipes near the end of the locomotive. At least that's what I read
Air pumps that provide compressed air for air brakes. I was around when these were still running, and that noise instantly told what kind of locomotive it was, even if it was not in view.
It's a shame the only surviving cab forward in Sacremento is no longer running.
Technically, this isn't really a Pentrex film, it was made by Video Rails back in the 90s, Pentrex just re-released it on DVD with their label.
I actually still have a copy of this on VHS with the original Video Rails boxart.
You can tell it's Video Rails because it has the manly voice of Jim Knight narrating it, no offense to Dave Drui from Pentrex, but he just doesn't have that... super masculine voice.
Which theme did you use for the actual review section? I've heard it before, but don't know the exact name.
I think it is this song: ruclips.net/video/8FGRkkD1YRU/видео.html
It sounds like something from the Thomas the tank engine tv series.
I wander how running one was like
+Christopher kovacs can you upload a video called railfan reviews - caledonian railway dunalastair class #43
She sounded tired. Kind of sad. You can tell they really had to patch it up... With the right money and vision another Cab Forward could be reconstructed to run again.
May she and all scrapped steamers be happy in the afterlife
They should revive this Railway Jewel😍🤩🚂💎.
Must be interesting to be the fire man for this steam locomotive
It's a true shame that SP 4274 didn't survive being scrapped as this locomotive had some excursion service operation history, I personally think that at least 2 or 3 of the "cab forward" type steam locomotives should have been preserved for public observation as these are unique design appearance articulated steam engines.
SP's president was very adamant and boastful about scrapping every cab-forward, though he finally caved and gave the last one.
I think that will locomotive will be running on steam again when I go to California on October 2020 and I will Jewelry storage for restoration to be running on steam again
A at least we have a cab forward in a railway museum that looks similar to her
what power does it have?
6,000 HP
124,300 lbs Tractive effort
:o it’s Lexi
Thomas And Friends fans will understand what I mean
With somebody please go to the Vatican and “ borrow” the Chronovisor so we can get some new train videos recorded. All of us would really appreciate it
Gotta love Kodak film. It stands the tests of time.
I had heard that cab forward engines were not popular by the crew. Even tho there was much better visibility, they often did not feel safe. Similarly, when Diesel electrics came out, the engineers would run them backwards because of they got into an accident, there would at least be something between the other object and crew
Maybe the feelings towards the cab-forwards were mistrustful in the 20s, but by the 50s no doubt that was long gone. Crews liked the forward-facing F7 for making them feel high and safer in a collision. Most early diesel electrics ran long-hood forward or had duel-controls for long and short hood operations.
How come the engine seems to be in excellent condition,when it was more or less already decommisioned ?
The SP pulled it out of storage and had it polished and repainted for this final run. It would've taken the shop staff no more than a day or two.
@@trainmaster844 Were all other engines scrapped/decommisioned except this and 4294 at this time,or just kept in store ? What made them choose 4274 ?
@@tomasnordin9778 They were likely kept in storage, as these engines were not officially written off the roster until 1958-1959.
@@trainmaster844 when are you gonna do more videos
@@JACESOFFICIAL I've got a video or two coming in the next month. My real-life work outside of RUclips has kept me very busy.
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R.I.P.
4274
Schade das keine mehr fährt
I’m assuming it’s a oil burner.
Yes, the SP Cab Forwards were oil burners.
YOU DIDINT DAVE THE REST FOR NEXT FBEUARU OF 2017 BUT YOU CAN DO IT IN 2018!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I once read the cab forwards did not have the same pulling power as originally going forward. No explanation why that would make a difference.
Maybe cause they were actually running backwards and they were optimized to run in the forward configuration?
music?
Did someone say Harriman?
No?
And THIS is why you don't see cabovers on Donner Pass these days.
Imagine getting absolutely slammed by a million pounds going 30 mph, there would be nothing left. 😳
They need to restore the last one to working conditions
There’s no demand for it. Why waste money on something that won’t run often?
4294 is in perfectly fine condition inside the museum.
I have this sp cab forward in ho scale
1957? that's too early!
So much black smoke, this is oil fired?
Yes; all of SP’s Cab Forwards were oil fired. It’s a tricky proposition to make a coal fired Cab Forward, after all.
@@trainmaster844 Fair comment, I had never seen this type of loco until now, nevertheless oil fired were always more polluting than coal/wood could ever be.
jesus christ she accelerates fast
4294 she the last survivor AC-12 Class
The Big Boy locomotive is now running on 5 grade oil! Suggest you make a cab forwad run on hotmetal, see my blog. Or google on my name swami sangopadra I test out for you all firebox 20mm hotmetal pipes in boiler 10cm 20cm 30cm 40cm (?) same number wall thickness in mm. 10 20 30 40 that should drive it. How to regulate the heat
who thought it was a good idea to make a backwards locomotive
+Devan Rivera Whoever they were, they were smart, the cab forwards, especially the AC-4s through AC-12s were among the most successful articulated types in the world, Baldwin produced over 500 of these monsters for SP, one was leased to future partner-line D&RGW but they ended up going with a diesel fleet before they could seriously consider using a Cab Forward on their line.
You could look at the fact they were only used on one line as a failure, but that one line was the biggest railroad west of the Mississippi and they outnumbered all Challengers, Big Boys and Yellowstones combined across the US.
Honestly their limited use if anything is more of a failure on the Railroad industry than on the design itself.
+The Arctic Gamer thanks never knew that
It was a good idea because the Southern Pacific had many tunnels on their main lines. In a conventional locomotive, in very long tunnels or snow sheds, the crews could be asphyxiated by the hot gases coming from the locomotive's smokestack. The Cab Forwards solved this problem by putting the crew ahead of the smoke stack, thereby turning the entire engine around, saving the crews.
Just over 230 locomotives of all types were made, not 500.
They weren't that limited in use to be honest. True, they may have been designed specifically for the steep and heavily-tunneled Donner Pass, but they were used all over the SP. Drag freights, fast freights, even passenger trains like the Owl and the Lark. They even pulled a streamlined train for the World's Fair on Treasure Island in 1939 & 1940. The Cab-Forwards were really one of the most versatile steam locomotives west of Chicago.
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One day some drunk schmuck decided It would be a good idea.
i've never seen this type of loco before, it looks basakwards to me.
The Southern Pacific ordered the Cab Forwards as a solution to the problem of smoke in the tunnels on Donner Pass.
By placing the cab at the front of the locomotive, the crew wouldn't be asphyxiated by the exhaust. It worked a treat because 256 were built over a nearly 30 year period.
@@trainmaster844 i was stationed at maclellan afb in sacto. 50 yrs ago, next time out there i want to visit the rail museum. thanx for the info.
Reverse big boy
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