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Weird take, considering they are just about done with dual booting Windows on the SteamDeck.
Can't believe we've come full circle back to everyone trying to make a handheld years after everyone other than Nintendo said it was a waste of time.
Agreed.
It was a waste of time before. They couldn't deliver the same experience on a handheld that they could on a PC/console. Games that were ported to the switch look noticably different than there PC/console counterparts.
The steam deck showed everyone that it could be done for PC without sacrificing the graphical quality, and now everyone is jumping on the bandwagon.
@@castertr0y357 It was never about delivering the same experience as a home console and developers actively choose to make concessions in their games to release them on switch. Nintendo has proven that you can make expansive and interesting games on the switch for years and the switch is one of the best selling consoles of all time surpassing even the PS4. The market has always been there.
@@1DJRikkiBee To my knowledge, the only games that compare on the same scope are the two Zelda games and Mario Odyssey. Those also utilize stylistic graphics instead of photorealistic graphics like PC and other consoles.
Nintendo consoles sell extremely well because they retain the rights to arguably the most popular video game characters of all time, and their first-party releases almost always choose innovative gameplay over photorealism. Even the ported Arkham Knight game suffered graphically on the Switch simply due to the sheer lack of power the console has. It's great game that the Switch just can't keep up with. It doesn't mean that the switch is a bad console, but it lends itself more to a certain visual style.
After the Gamecube, Nintendo chose not to compete with the rest of the consoles on pure power, but rather innovation (and occasional gimmicks). This led them down a different path of innovative hardware, but running different types of games. It had a niche, and did it well.
However, for modern AAA games, developers don't want to put in the extra work of having to cram everything into a console that's not going to run it well. It can barely run Arkham Knight on it scaled down, and that game is almost 10 years old now.
The technology hadn't come far enough to make a mobile device that could deliver similar performance to PC and other consoles until Valve came out with the Steam Deck. Other companies are utilizing this new technology leap and making handhelds of their own that can now match the raw hardware performance of the rest of the consoles. This now means that you can game on the go with the same power that you have in your living room.
Nintendo was ahead of the curve before in terms of hardware experiences, but now that the technology has caught up to the uniqueness of the experience, I think Nintendo is going to have to step up the graphics part or end up going the way of Sega and being a software only company.
@@castertr0y357 A few things to note. Scope and graphical style are two completely different things. Console games and PC games also release in various graphical styles that are not just photorealistic. Also if you know a bit about game rendering pipelines, photorealism doesn't always equate to needing more compute power over a stylized game.
Arkham Knight is not a well optimized game. It had numerous issues on both console and PC launch that are well documented. It's not particularly a great metric. In fact, many large PC releases in recent history have not been optimized all that well and run somewhat poorly even on modern hardware. Starfield is another good example of that. Even the steam deck makes a great many concessions and optimizations, on both the firmware side and the game software, side just to run certain games. It's about the same as laptops, which we've had around forever.
Nintendo has been doing the one thing that is required for mobile hardware pretty consistently, which is innovation. The 3DS adding stereoscopic vision to the handheld market was a great move. The joycons on the switch are also quite good, as well as the docking model. However, the PS Vita also had quite unique hardware. A front and rear side touch bracket with one of the highest quality accelerometers. It also revolutionized remote play at the time and they had multiple frist party titles that made use of these features. So they aren't the only company capable of making innovative handhelds.
Now, I completely agree with your take about the way the switch needs to go. I believe Nintendo also agrees with you, because the Switch 2 is targeting a higher hardware quality, according to the information they have released so far at least. It also helps, like you said, to have developer support for making titles that make use of the unique features of the platform or are at least optimized for it.
The steam deck, and every other handheld to an even greater extent, has that same issue, but they benefit from the fact that it's not a unique software target. This means that they also benefit from the huge pc gaming library that includes many games that don't require high powered hardware to play. Some of the most played games on steam deck aren't high fidelity PC releases, and the ones that are don't run in high quality on the deck.
I get your points, but its somewhat disingenuous to say that hardware made a huge leap with the steam deck or that handhelds were a waste of time before now. They simply lacked a good library and steam has the best one. A PlayStation handheld that could play PS3 and a handful of PS4/PS5 games would do incredibly well in market and wouldn't have been difficult for Sony to develop. They just didn't want to because they missed one estimate one time.
The biggest hindrance of Game Pass on any other OS than Windows is the incredibly deeply ingrained DRM methods Microsoft is using for XBOX Game Pass on PC. I doubt this would ever change.
If we're talking about the Microsoft store, I would agree, but as he mentioned in the video, they already have their games on Steam and those games already work on Linux. All they would have to do is get Valve to set up a subscription plan like EA does with EA Play, and then anyone with the plan would get access to those games. Knowing Valve though, I'm sure they get a cut of EA's sub fee, so that may be the real hindrance for Microsoft.
@@hueypautonoman True but remember that EA Play requires the EA Desktop App to run the actual games so even if Game Pass was available via Steam if the backend of how the games are delivered are kept the same (i.e. how EA Play does it) nothing would be gained. Unless they changed how EA Play is handled within steam, then I stand corrected.
@@Th3Rom3No, you're right about EA Play, but that actually puts Microsoft games in a better spot because their games are already on Steam in full. You don't need the Xbox app to play them, only an Xbox account. That means it's even easier than EA Play to make it happen.
I was going to mention this: UWP (Microsoft's DRM) is the main hindrance to Game Pass games (which all use UWP versions of their games) on the Deck. I was leaning towards the Deck over the ROG Ally, but the ability to natively play PC Game Pass games locally on my handheld won over.
@tryintech839 UWP is the reason Valve created SteamOS in the first place (way back in 2013). Valve, Epic and others were concerned Microsoft was trying to create a "closed ecosystem."
I ended up cancelling my Game Pass Ultimate sub last year. After looking at what I was actually playing versus what I was spending annually, it made more economic sense to buy those games outright. I've barely touched my Series S since getting the Deck a little over a year ago.
Once I got a deck I always told myself I’d never get gamepass, I’ll just buy the games on steam. Even Starfield runs better now and it seems like avowed will run just fine looking at system requirements. Valve is a much better company to support than Microsoft will ever be
I am in the same boat as you, never touched my series x after getting a deck. Then got a legion go with 3 months free gamepass trial and I haven’t even bothered playing anything from it.
I did this also a year ago. I sold my xbox and switch ... Bough a Deck and its the best decision I made. Im never buying a sub from Microsoft, PS or.Nintendo. I rather be on steam/pc
This^^^ and I have a curse of starting a game off, getting into it and they take it off game pass -.-
Im exactly the same
Technically, Microsoft didn't definitively say that Game Pass won't be on Steam Deck, but effectively it amounts to the same thing. Technically, since Game Pass on the Steam Deck would most likely be the PC version of Game Pass, which already exists and is not going away, their statement doesn't rule it out. However, since Game Pass is not a typical PC program that just has to have the correct run-time environment to work, but needs very specific parts of Windows to verify identity, it's highly unlikely to ever work on Steam Deck without Microsoft's active participation. It's a similar situation to anti-cheat. Without specific effort by the developer, it's not likely to work.
Maybe but the proton community has been making progress with various anti-cheats. Also an official no from Microsoft might spur proton to give it attention.
That's kinda what I took from their statement as well. I feel like Microsoft was saying "only on Xbox" was specifying consoles, meaning not on Playstation or Switch. I still think Steam Deck Game Pass is still unlikely, but more so because of the DRM that PC Game Pass currently uses.
you can run windows on the steam deck but most people won't and frankly you shouldn't need to
typed this on a steam deck running windows
I own a PS5, Series X, Switch, ROG Ally and a Steam Deck. I think I’m going back to PC gaming thanks to the Steam Deck.
what is the difference between a rog ally and a steam deck
@@fadercreek ROG is slightly more powerful and runs windows SD runs Linux but is heavily supported by Valve and the community
ROG Ally is PC gaming. Smh
You’re still pc gaming.
@@busterhoodstar6598 The Ally reminded me of what I hated about PC gaming the Steam Deck gave me a neat console experience
The truth of the matter is that Valve made Steam OS/Deck to leave Windows behind. Why would Microsoft say "We agree with Valve's devision to leave us" by supporting the Steam Deck with Game Pass? Game Pass, from what I can tell, is the only thing Microsoft has left. The ROG, Leagion Go, etc. are compaines still supporting Windows because they still think Valve is interested in the hand-held world; they aren't. The hand-held was just Valve making the Steam OS/Linux gaming appealing. Valve isn't interested in supporting Game Pass either.
The ROG, Legion GO, etc. run Windows because they're made by hardware companies who don't know how to make good software, so they have to partner with Microsoft. Valve is a software company, so you're right about them wanting to push SteamOS. I think you're wrong about Microsoft though. I think they know they've already lost that battle. Steam is THE gaming platform on PC, and Microsoft can't stop that. I think the only real thing stopping them from pursuing any action for Steam Deck is market share. If SteamOS really becomes big, Microsoft will chase the money and support it, just like they did with Linux on the server side. They literally have their own Linux distribution now.
@@hueypautonoman you do have a point, however, like the when the iPhone came out, they missed the smartphone market a little too late. I don’t think they will be able to hop on if they’re not vigilant. Also, while you are technically correct about the whole Linux distro thing, they didn’t make a traditional Linux distribution. They just took Linux and said “here is our new server.” They don’t like admitting it is because Linux is so good. Plus, Azure isn’t a desktop operating system. They’re still making Windows Server stuff. They did that Azure stuff to stay relevant; however, I see your point.
@@danielcoffman1022 That's what I'm saying. They started "loving" Linux because Linux has such a huge market share of servers. Similarly, they won't "love" SteamOS until it's overwhemingly popular. Microsoft isn't an innovative company. They only latch onto things when they're positive they can proft from them. Every time they've tried to innovate, it fails miserably.
Because they are a business, and are giving into piracy, instead of taking people's money?
This Is All True.. However.. Guess Who (Is Partners) With Linux?
Just gained a sub. This was the 3rd video of yours I watched in a row and I have to praise you on one thing. Your speaking pace and articulation. If I want to sit and take it in, I just play it as is. Because you speak so clearly, though, I can play it at 1.25 and STILL get everything clearly.
5:28 is it really true?? the time counter on the xbox pc app doesnt make sense. i play everyday on night and yet the timer only count a few hour?? it's not even sync right after playing, only updates after who knows when
In his head for sure. But no, leaked documents tell us they get fixed prices
Will there be a tool like Herioc game Luncher where we can still get gamepass games downloaded
If you want more subscribers limit your commercial/advertising. First 6 minutes we had opening advertising your personal three minute sponsor and another advertising break. No one else in your group has that much interruption. This makes watching your vids hard
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It's called sponsorblock. Try it.
What I don't get is why can't one install the xbox app on a linux distro via wine/proton and install and play the games? Someone explain that for me.
We can get every other launcher to work with varying results.
Because sadly Wine doesn't have support for UWP apps.
The Microsoft store itself is extremely tied to the Windows OS on a level that makes it nearly impossible for Linux to utilize it. It's a UWP app, and has proprietary code that likely can't be reverse engineered to run on Linux.
It's also not something that can just be downloaded to Windows as it is just a part of Windows. All the other stores have to be downloaded separately so the files are easily accessible.
Uh, my buddy has a steam deck and uses game pass on it with no issues
@@Jbrickzz_Official They must have installed Windows then. Unless you're talking about streaming Game Pass which isn't what most people want.
@@Jbrickzz_Official yeah me too but it only allows for cloud gaming, no local installs which is a bummer.
I dual boot SteamOS and Windows 11 on my Steam Deck. I’m wondering if anyones run gamepass within Windows on their Decks. I tried the cloud variation of it when I first got my deck last year with that setup Microsoft provided to get it working, and that wasn’t very good. So I’m wondering if running Gamepass natively on Windows installed on a Deck would be a better experience for games running via the cloud and installed from the Game Pass app.
Microsoft did not develop these games for mobile, Laptop, PC, Playstation levels.
Why remaster them for steam ? or run them on the Gameboy if it's a real PC ?
Microsoft probably didn’t develop what I assume to be 95% of the games available on GamePass/PC. Second and third party developers did, most whom would prefer their games to be multiplatform for the sake of overall financial profit. On the other hand, Microsoft owned IPs from their very own first party developers are now on the way to other, competing hardware manufacturers’ consoles for the very same reason: Sea of Thieves, Pentiment, Grounded, Hi-Fi Rush, and that’s just the beginning of it. None of those games were developed by Microsoft directly, either, just published by them.
I run Game Pass games on windows on deck and finished a bunch of games that way. They're pleasant experience (not sure if I can compare it to the streaming, since the streaming services aren't provided in my country). But yeah, for what it's worth, games from game pass runs nicely on windows deck (you can also tweak settings for games via steam deck tools on windows, like controlling fan settings or TDP or Frame limit etc)
Cant you use pc gamepass on steam deck running windows?
That's how I'm using it.
Microsoft did not develop these games for mobile, Laptop, PC, Playstation levels.
Why remaster them for steam ? or run them on the Gameboy if it's a real PC ?
@@lucasrem i dont get, is this a question? you can have gamepass ultimate on pc and play almost all the games that are on xbox gamepass on pc/laptop...as intended. i personally dont care bc i even have to use a script/command to get rid of any xbox/gamebar/gamepass on my pc
The problem is that they don't probably want to add linux support to Gamepass. The gamepass app is available as a as uwp windows applicaction, that means that is very complicated if not imposible to run it using wine(like for example you can do with the epic store). While Microsoft doesn't directly compete with Valve and the Steamdeck, they do in some way with Linux.
I doubt they are happy to see Valve making the money off their platform whilst doing nothing to push it forward, rather trying to divert gamers away to Linux.
Thanks for reminding me to cancel my Gamepass subscription. I haven't used it in months. My steam deck, on the other hand, I use all the time
Same! Last thing I did on there was download starfield, be bored to tears for a few hours then uninstall
But you can use gamepass on the steam deck
Good, because that's a waste of fucking money lol, I mean I could get the short-term benefit of it when you're trying out games, but it's not the kind of thing you want to stay on when you want to own games, like to me it just reminds me of back in the old days when we used to rent movies or even video games from Blockbuster, that's an old ass place nowadays, that place practically doesn't exist anymore, but anyway people used to go to this place to rent physical games and movies and such like that, and they would pay a weekly or a monthly subscription, hell they even had late fees for shit like that, and those late fees went and added up like crazy, I mean the subscription model works for digital, but again it's not the kind of thing you want to rely on or stay on, cuz eventually you come to realize that you waste a shitload of money in that system more than you gain, so it's really just something you use short time in order to try out a game, and if you really like that game finish that one month subscription shut it off before it renews turn around and purchase the game from somewhere else.
However I do think they're trying to force people in the subscription crap and some games may not offer the option for you to actually purchase the game fully, they're trying to go into this you own nothing future so that they can be happy and you can be very unhappy, that shit needs to go down the drain, but unfortunately people keep paying for this shit and they basically incentivize that future that the vast majority of people don't want, I own all my games well the digital copies I guess, but the point is I haven't had to own an extra dime nickel or anything to my games over the last 15 years, I essentially defacto own them, now one day they may no longer exist on my steam store, that may happen, but it hasn't happened yet, now I know some studios are trying to go to the subscription model, but they keep stabbing themselves in the foot with this idea, especially since some CEO of a very big gaming company decided to announce that people should get comfortable with not owning their games, yeah that didn't exactly go too well and the view of their company, and now people are hating them even more so, so that is something that most people don't want.
If xbox would put xbox game pass on steam it would work probably like ea play on steam... just pay the sub and in a tab select the games you want to be added to steam and play. I dont think it would be that hard since we already have kinda a base of how it would work
If Microsoft really wants to include gamepass on steam deck or linux in general, they can create a flatpak repository, few people know that is posible to create a custom "store", but at the end, they will NEED to develop for Linux or use wine / proton, and thats the real issue ...
The only way I can think of Gamepass on steam deck natively, is if Wine/Proton could get the dependencies that windows uses for UWP and incorporate those into the system 32 binaries of the prefix.
I don't know much about how wine translates, but that's probably years down the road of being anything but simple
Game Pass is no longer the big thing it used to be, I no longer stay constantly subscribed to it I now jump in and out like I do with video streaming services. I could easily be without Game Pass but I couldn't give up Steam so I do think Microsoft is making a mistake here.
I do current have an Xbox Series S but honestly it is my last Xbox and probably my last console. Handheldl PCs, Mini PCs, and budget gaming PCs are amazing alternatives to consoles. I do feel the end of the console era is nigh.
I think this will also be my last generation of consoles with the way the narrative is going. I'll still buy whatever Nintendo put out, but if I knew how keen Sony were on releasing their games on PC and then the total lack of exclusives this year, I would have been better off getting a PC and Steam Deck combo.
Everything you described applies to you personally. I don't think that means the console era is coming to an end just because of your personal experience. Considering Nintendo has sold 139 million Switch units, I doubt consoles are going anywhere.
@@hueypautonoman Yea this exact same narrative was going around before the XB1/PS4 released. There was a ton of doom and gloom around whether people actually wanted consoles any more and not only did they both sell insanely fast out the gate (even though XB1 dropped off super fast very quickly) but the Switch came a few years later and went bonkers. Anecdotally nearly all of my friends, and nearly everyone I know who plays games, play exclusively on consoles and would not consider switching to PC. I have no idea how pervasive that mentality is.
@@sleepingunderthewire Sony are releasing their games on pc because they now the hardcore pc gamer feels superior and will never buy a console, no matter what the exclusives are. So Sony sells them the games to gain extra income. Every copy Helldivers 2 sells on pc, would have never been sold of it wasn't available on pc
Very happy with the picture at 10:30 . I really hope Sony keeps it up. I was so excited to get Spider-Man on steam.. !
On my ASUS ROG ALLY I have game pass but it runs windows 11. My main reasons for buying it where it has a AMD CPU/GPU and out of the box it runs windows, but the use roles it fills is little over powered I find it reduced my use of cell phone, and traditional laptop use it fits into a hoody pocket like a phone but is faster than my laptop.
I have the cloud beta Xbox ultimate pass from the website turned it into a app on none steam games and the only thing I get mad about is that there’s no clarity boost but they wanna charge 3.82 more than what it was originally even tho the games are great and it’s fantastic I just want an option for a clarity boost so it doesn’t glitch as much smh
Not really much I want to play from Microsoft these days, hell even Sony… and Nintendo at this point.
I in the same boat been playing way more Indy games these days much better quality than big names can put out
They put most the games on steam anyway so no harm no foul.
@@RiTchieKIISony’s games on Steam are inferior versions. Many of them don’t even have surround sound support. So not so good for using your Steam Deck docked in the living room.
I haven't had Gamepass for awhile, but when I had it, I have an SSD with a stripped down install of Windows on it. It worked pretty good! I still use the windows install from time to time for certain games. Glad I have it for when I need it.
game pass cloud streaming works beautifully through the steam deck through the browser. you can even set it up to work just like a native steam game so its easy to start up.
I can understand Microsoft doesn’t want to maintain an app on Linux/Steam but they could have APIs that you can use to access game pass and through that add proton to make the games playable on Linux. I believe Heroic Launcher is using APIs to make the games on the various platforms available.
gaming is one of the big reasons ppl buy windows, why would MS sabotage that?
@@sumomaster5585 it doesn't really change it that much since most games are made for Windows. Valve has just spend ages on paying for development of making Windows games run on Linux (called Proton).
Microsoft themselves would probably still make their games for Windows in mind then just use Proton to make it work on Steam Deck/Linux. It is primarily Microsofts own games that are on Game Pass, they could only accept PC games for Windows from 3rd parties on Game Pass.
So a reason to do it would be to get Steam Deck users to buy and use Game Pass (without using cloud which Microsoft has actually bothered to support through Edge, lol).
Then a reason to not do it if Microsoft wants to more heavily compete in the handheld OS market with special Windows version made for such devices, like Steam OS (3) is made for handhelds in mind as well (so far only officially exist on Steam Deck but Valve does plan on having it on 3rd party handhelds too).
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APIs between ms and steam? Allows connection between systems. Can see that happening.
Microsoft did not develop these games for mobile, Laptop, PC, Playstation levels.
Why remaster them for steam ? or run them on the Gameboy if it's a real PC ?
the thing is steam does have a similar system with EA play, if you have an EA play subscription you can connect it to steam and play those games natively on steam. to do a similar thing with gamepass is entirely possible for game pass
The problem is that most of the gamepass library runs the xbox versions of the games. That's also how they make alot of xbox games play anywhere. With EA the games are downloaded to the EA App launcher on pc to play no matter where you get them from.
I was strongly considering signing up for GamePass but passed for a couple reasons.
First off, streaming only on Linux. I want my games local. But it might be worth it anyway, I could get over this.
Second, the offerings were just confusing to me. XBox game pass, PC game pass, XBox Cloud, etc. What games are available on each service? All of them? What ones get the streaming capability? Can all the games be streamed? I couldn't find definitive answers so I passed on it.
Seems like nothings really changed, other than any hope of local play being dashed.
To get the streaming you need to have ultimate which gives you PC, Xbox and Cloud.
I just wish I could play locally :(
MS is making its own portable handheld with an Xbox os. They prob won’t try to do a steamOS app unless that tanks. Plus I dunno if valve itself will allow gamepass on its OS since it’s not just streaming, it’s a portal to buy and install games, it’s like putting a store inside a store.
If Xbox is coming up with a handheld (which I sincerely hope so), I think it will have similar Xbox OS running on it and not windows. With the advancements of APUs, it’s not hard to have a shrink down / handheld mode Series S which pushes out less pixels on a smaller screen. I currently have 3 years of Game Pass Ultimate (bought 3 years Gold and subscribed 1 mth game pass ultimate and the whole 3 years became ultimate legitimately) so I definitely want a handheld Xbox. Been resisting temptation to get steamdeck coz can’t use game pass and so now trying my oled switch with some good joycon replacement for some light gaming
I don't think it makes sense. Game Pass through steam isn't the only option. Other than a few exclusives, majority of the games on Pass are also on steam, so a Linux build of Xbox is also a possibility. Like steam did with Linux, with a subset of games playable to start. And games that don't use the ridiculous uwp framework is definitely a good thing.
With as busted as running gamepass games on Windows can be sometimes and the lack of mods Im personally cool with gamepass not being available on the steam deck. Ive configured xcloud in steam for cloud streaming, own a pc and an Xbox.
Overtime gamepass ends up being like youtube to many people not alot money to spend around so indie devs get pennys why AAA dev get top money as it cost Microsoft money to keep server running and support + to make profit on top to keep gamepass running whats left over go's to the devs.
Growing up in the 80s/90s I was a console gamer. Computers were way too expensive for a decent one. My parents first computer was a radio shack special and while i did game on it; 5 1/4" floppies ftw, there weren't many games that stood out too much, Wolfenstein and Doom mostly. Then the late 90s happened and I got warcraft and Diablo... Been a PC gamer ever since.
I have an sd card with windows installed and I use it exclusively for game pass games the whole 512gb is full of game pass games and they all run great
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This makes sense if they are coming out with their own handheld
It’s very easy to set up windows on Steam Deck and there are multiple ways to do it. Sd card. External ssd. Partition the internal ssd. Etc. You can enjoy GamePass right now, on your Deck. Also, SteamOS 3.0 is coming very soon, and with it will be an official way to dual boot into windows.
It sucks because the game I really want to play there not allowed on steamOS/linux unless I dual boot with windows
so there's no gamepass on pc right??
There’s an Xbox app. I think they consider that app Xbox as well.
In the hypotetical game pass in steam... which company is providing the infrastructure to download, patch and mod the games?
The company providing the service. Who else would it be?
Not really getting all the comments. I can access Game Pass on my Steam Deck really easily. I don't install the games but play them via Cloud. It's a much easier solution if I'm honest. Pain if you travel around a lot but using it when you are home works really well. I gues it depends on how you game. I typically don't game when I go meet my friends.
Unless you live next to the datacenter MS cloud gaming sucks donkey balls. The best cloud service I've tried was Geforce Now. And even then I could tell within 5 seconds It was not local. Nothing beats a decent gaming PC.
Really useful info that I wanted to know, keep the great vids up (I just subscribed) 👍
I've ditched Windows and fully embraced Linux now. I cancelled Game Pass a year ago. I actually prefare what Sony puts out than what Microsoft does.
Microsoft allowing to install gamepass games, and thus acknowledging that proton is a legit way to play windows games, would be really un-microsoftish tbh. Their line is pretty much "real gamers, windows blablabla"
Great review Bill I agree 100%
When it comes to PS only games on PC. I have Herozin Zero Dawn,and the Uncharted 4,and Lost Legacy on GOG. God of War is coming on GOG as well. I am getting that game as well. I am still getting a PS5 for the first and third party I don't see going to GOG.
As someone who runs windows on my SD I dont understand the hate on windows. If you can do it WindeckOS is bassically the same as steamOS but with windows as the desktop enviorment. this lets me play all the games I play from Steam on my PC on my SD as well as stream my xbox locally
Can you play Gamespass locally though?
@@kieranaldridge7449Yes he's running WIndows on his Steam Deck.
Nobody gonna talk about how the like button does an animation when you say the word
I have the Game Pass. Streaming steam deck off Xbox install actually works much better than the browser. The problem i have with PC is the DRM and how difficult it is to install any mods. They hide the crap out of the installation files
Don't get why they don't let you sub to game pass via steam, even EA Origin lets you do that
becouse of the Steam Cut
And No one will use Game Pass on Microsoft Store anymore, once its on Steam
@applehazeva2739 I mean, EA isn't hosting it for free either, and I imagine it's either 30% or around 25% there. Thing is, no one really uses their applications, so the cut is proportionally lower.
Microsoft could put it on Steam and end up having to pay under the 30%, as low as 20%, depending on number of purchases.
Why would they? It wouldn't make any sense to change their application that's heavily bind to Windows to run on Linux.
Because Microsoft wants you to use Windows. Is it that hard to understand? It's a business tactic.
It's because games pass pc and steam don't usually run the same versions of games. Most times gamepass pc runs the xbox versions of games if it's not form EA or ubisoft. Not to mention adding gamepass to steam will eat at EA play and ubisoft who Microsoft has a deal with.
Didn't Xbox release a tutorial on how to use Gamepass on steam deck and part of the tutorial, said to add Chrome as a game and to use gamepass in browser?
Xbox wouldn’t have to link to steam account to share gamepass. All they would have to do is do an app that signs into the Xbox servers to play the gamepass games on the cloud. Since you’re logging into their servers to play they they would be able to track play time.
Wow, I did not expect to see my comment in the video. 😄 I can report that since then I have purchased the game but haven't had time to play it yet.
Stay rad Bill.
I just got a new pc with an rtx 4060 (from gtx 1650 s) and I'm still playing my steam deck more 🙃 I just adore the damn thing, perfect for metroidvanias and the like. Until this new pc it eveb played RDR2 better than my pc.
I have a Steam Deck and even if I could get Gamepass there I’d pass on that
Even if they added game pass on the steam deck I still wouldn’t have gotten it
Why?
@@anythingoriginal I’d rather “own” the digital rights then paying for a service of rental games
@@kirax_ I came to the conclusion that 90% of games once I beat them I never play them again. While I’d like to be able to resell them I honestly only buy about 2 games a year. For that same price I can play dozens of AAA titles across all my devices. It extends to my kids in my Microsoft family network as well, so my family of four can all play Forza Horizon 5 or (insert game of choice here) for $15 a month instead of buying a $60 game 4 times. I used to pay for PSN, but for almost a solid year the free games were trash. I have a steam deck. Honestly I am not against hoisting the sail on most games, if you know what I mean.
@@anythingoriginal valid argument, but like, it doesn't feel good to not own the games you play. physical media going away was one thing, but subscription services are like, way worse
@@aquaponieeeIt doesn't feel good to buy a game 4 times either. In the end games cost more than consoles or PC's.
Good review, and I have to say, is the reason I went with Legion in the first place instead of the oled Steam deck, better true upgrade for me, and it operates windows, which gamepass will thrive on those devices ..love my Legion 😂👍🏽
I love my Legion Go too - it's so much better than Steam Deck, just saying
Heres the thing, GP going onto steamdeck makes no snese. GP on windows is accessed through the Xbox app. Using the xbox app on windows keeps you in their ecosystem. Part of the perk to GP is always getting discounts on games in the service, esoecially when/if the game is leaving. They want you building a library of games on the app jsut as you have been or did on the console. Even if GP users don't buy many games directly form the app, im sure they're happy if you even buy 1 or if you purchase microtransactions on a game in GP, they would prefer you to do so on GP than on other platforms.
Also, I'm not so sure Valve would even want GP on steam.. that would subtract from a lot of sales on steam from some of xbox's bigger games like when CoD drops. I'm not so inclined to bleeive steam would agree to GP. Remember, GP is not like EA play, or UBI +. GP has a mixture of 3rd party games, their own games and day1 games.
PC Game Pass is on GeForce Now, GeForce Now runs on Steam Deck.
XCloud runs on Steam Deck.
I understand that there are a few titles not included in the above options, but that's more a licensing issue than anything else.
I said in the video running natively.
@@NerdNest I know, I know... and I want it too, but I never saw it as a realistic ask. Steam and Microsoft are technically in competition with one another as game retailers, and Steam Deck is as much a handheld console (made by a competitor) as it is a PC (one that isn't even built to play well with their highly-dominant PC operating system.)
All of that aside - there would be crazy publishing and licensing issues involved for many of those games, and even if there aren't regulatory hurdles for this then Xbox would still have to spend money researching regulations to ensure legality, not to mention the fact that many developers have expressed distaste for the Deck platform by manually disabling compatibility for their games.
I love Deck, I love XBox, but native Game Pass on Deck was never going to happen for myriad reasons, not the least of which being that (I promise) they've run the numbers and found that it wouldn't be profitable enough to be worth the effort.
I've never had a game pass, and cancelled my Xbox gold subscription last year, and basically just stopped using my Xbox, I just game on my PC, Steam deck and playstation 3, and I don't miss playing the Xbox at all. In fact I've probably saved on the electricity my Xbox would use when it turned itself on either when I was out or asleep and updated games.
The Series X will be my last console. I only buy physical and have huge doubts about future. Plus, games are still in beta when they are released.
What is the incentive for Valve with Game Pass? Pushing units and then not selling steam games. Doesn't make sense.
If they can get more people onto Linux they can get more Devs to make games that will run on Linux
@@crestfallensunbro6001 Sure. But Gamepass won't facilitate this?
@@talantelorr it would attract more players to the platform
@@crestfallensunbro6001And Valve would sell less games. So it would not be a good deal for Gabe.
@@talantelorrexactly, no mutual interest or really any benefit for either company on this. Microsoft is very willing to work with steam in terms of putting their games on steam already it’s just that steamOS is a Linux OS, as simple as that.
I feel like its possible. They integrated EA games and game pass with the Xbox game pass after they bought it from my understanding (I live under a rock , feel free to correct), but corporate tends to care more about bottom line and investors than customers and front line/ hands on employees input these days
Xbox doesn't own EA they Bought Activision Blizzard. Anyway the Xbox app uses the EA launcher to run EA games that's how it works for all platform on pc. Other than ubisoft and another im forgetting Xbox runs all games natively from the windows store. PC gamepass also tends to play the Xbox version of the games on their platform.
I have 2 methods that I use. Xbox cloud gaming like mentioned or the new Nvidia GeForce and connect Xbox that way
I think Sony also earn fair amount of money from people who buy their game on PlayStation then buys it again on PC. So that might be a reason to not push the release too close to each other.
But certainly most of the PC sales are from new people without a PlayStation.
It's basically business reasons with regards to software licenses that Microsoft profits from. If they brought Gamepass to the Steam Deck, that'd mean making it functional on Linux. For years they've argued that most of their own software would never work on Linux (such as Microsoft Office). Microsoft makes a ton of money from the services they provide to companies, and a lot of companies run Microsoft software that Microsoft has made incompatible with other operating systems, even through advanced compatibility layers, for the purpose of charging the companies for bulks of Windows OS licenses. If Microsoft ported Gamepass to Linux, it would demonstrate that there's not really anything stopping all the rest of their software from running on Linux, therefore causing a non-zero amount of corporations to start demanding the rest of the Microsoft software suite to be ported to Linux so they can stop paying for hundreds of Windows OS licenses.
Gamepass is, of course, a very small service in comparison to their more industrial software suites, and it's only aimed at end-users rather than corporations, but it's important enough for Microsoft's business model to never make it available for Linux.
I dont get what's so hard make the 'xbox launcher' for linux and now you have a 'platform' that's not shackled by the windows OS
Of course it's shackled to windows it's a built in application. It doesn't even play to pc versions of most games on the platform it plays the xbox versions. Linux is also 4% of pc their not gonna make something for 4% of the market. Just look at Rainbow six that game won't run under Linux or a windows virtual machine but all ubisoft has to do is flip a switch.
Of course it's shackled to windows it's a built in application. It doesn't even play to pc versions of most games on the platform it plays the xbox versions. Linux is also 4% of pc their not gonna make something for 4% of the market. Just look at Rainbow six that game won't run under Linux or a windows virtual machine but all ubisoft has to do is flip a switch.
Of course it's shackled to windows it's a built in application. It doesn't even play to pc versions of most games on the platform it plays the xbox versions. Linux is also 4% of pc their not gonna make something for 4% of the market. Just look at Rainbow six that game won't run under Linux or a windows virtual machine but all ubisoft has to do is flip a switch.
Xbox has a pc app with game pass integration. Why can’t they just get that running on Linux?
Those games play the windows version of the game. It's different from the steam version for pc. Like it's connected to Xbox servers and you only get access to the Xbox versions most time. Unless the game comes with a launcher from the publisher. You also can only play with Xbox users.
Good time for me to stop my subscription to their services. I still think they have a very good offer but my backlog is huge anyways and the few games I played I could have bought instead, if I add the monthly fees paid in a year compared to the handful of games I really played…
Cool video, thanks !
I’m switching to steam deck from Xbox it’s not a big deal to not easily access game pass for me and the only way I can justify paying 550 for an oled steam deck is by using it to replace my Xbox I’ll still play on the Xbox I have lots of games on Xbox that I won’t be buying again on steam but I want to switch over to mostly handheld and the switch doesn’t get a lot of the games im interested in anymore so I guess the deck is replacing that too not a big deal but it will be nice to get off of console and have the freedom to take console games with me anywhere I go
Oh god that's a huge mistake - these hand helds suck on a bigger screen if you're into resolution at all.
That's the downside of being an early adopter of high end gaming handhelds. You kinda got burned because nobody ever thought about this in the early years, now it just takes too much cooperation between competitors.
10 years from now, Valve could dominate the market if they capitalise on Steam Deck and SteamOS. Besides the Steam Deck, they aren't doing much but all the ingredients are falling into Valve's soup and somehow Valve is cooking and it tastes good. You have an entire library of Nintendo IPs through emulation, you have xbox first party games on steam, you have playstation first party games on steam, you have cloud gaming options for xbox and playstation on top of your entire steam library and your PC game/app library through proton. It is just mind blowing how easy it is to own one device for your entire library. Not to mention, it can be your linux desktop computing machine too.
They're still probably annoyed at Valve not using Windows.
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The steam deck is a PC handheld. You should be able to use gamepass or gamepass cloud gaming on it.
I do think they were more discussing console platforms such as Switch and PlayStation, rather than devices that they know can run Windows already.
I mean just do the desktop mode thing and you can get it on the steamdeck anyway
I enjoy Game Pass now. Two years ago the offering wasn't great. I got the steam deck and didn't enjoy cloud gaming. Now I have the Rog Ally and have finish a couple of the newer Yakuza games, Doom Eternal, and Lies of P via game pass on the Ally. Even great PS5 streaming while traveling on Ally. Currently playing Persona 3 Reloaded on Ally via gamepass. My steam deck is my Steam game and emulation machine. My Ally is for everything else.
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By installing Edge on Steam Deck, its possible to play xCloud Game Pass games (ie just streaming them). Considering Steam Deck is Linux based, Microsoft would have to embrace Linux even more, make developers have a Linux based version of their games...
No, they could just use a compatibility layer like Wine or Proton. Make developers create a Linux version ain't gonna work. Also, a Linux open source devs can break a game by an update. So developers have to continuously update their games. Windows does not have this problem, running Windows games through a compatibility layer is sometimes better for that reason.
Hmm Chrome is better than Edge for XCloud
The way Sony has forced people to buy a PS4 or PS5 copy of their games will surely go against them if they bring out a handheld. Do I get a licence for the PS4 version of cross gen titles that I bought on PS5 so I can download and play on the handheld (which will presumably run PS4 versions).
You can play Gamepass games on GeForce Now. And you can play GeForce Now on Steam Deck. That’s how I played Starfield (for as long as that entertained me).
We already know what hardware they will be releasing this year based on the leak court docs. It's a mid gen refresher to the series x(digital) and s and updated controller
I really wish they'd just pull an EA and drop their games onto Steam with a subscription (EA Play already shows this is achievable and works). Gabe's said in the past that he would support them with it, so it's literally just Microsoft blocking positive progress.
There will inevitably be an Xbox hand held probably sooner than later, and Game Pass will of course be a core feature.
No there won’t be. There’s nothing to indicate that Microsoft will eventually make one. In fact they’re known for not doing shit outside of their console and laptop.
@@illogik Well I guess we'll see! The question now is, will you be even more angry than you already are if they do in fact make one? Or will you be more angry if they don't? 🧐
I’d gladly buy it too I prefer to have access to my games you don’t get that with Sony
@@MonkDave666 …but I was never angry. I’d be happy if they did make one but they clearly aren’t.
@@jingtroc23 RUclipsrs get way too much wrong to put any stock into it. I go for the source themselves and Microsoft has made no indication that they are making a handheld. In fact, when actually asked about making a mobile windows platform Microsoft said they’re not so that leads me to further believe they have no interest in the handheld console market.
But i actually played windows games on my steam deck without Microsoft store, and they're powerful games like the evil within 1 and 2 and oddworld 2022 with dead space
I have Windows on my Steam Deck and Game Pass is amazing. I played starfield, lies of p and Horizan 5. I can also play games which are not compatible with steamos.
Someone will eventually figure out a compatibility layer for GamePass to work on Linux. Its just PC GamePass it's not Rocket Science.
Microsoft would not have to make a deal with Valve, The Steam Deck has a fully open operating system it's not like a console. Just go into desktop mode (KDE) and run whatever you want.
The real problem is Microsoft don't want to port UWP to Linux, no dev is gonna even bother to reverse engineer that nonsense. Their plan was to lock their devs to DirectX to force people to use Windows. The fact that people reverse engineered DirectX and translated it to Vulkan and Valve funds it I'm sure pisses them off, especially as in a lot of cases the translation runs better than native which is insane, look at how bad their own translation layer from old DX versions to 12 runs and they have the source code.
To think DXVK and VKD3D was written by 2 people, one of them just wanted to play Nier on Linux, the other wanted to play older directx games on their Windows phone and did it as a bet because someone said it was impossible.
valve could also make their own game pass
That's not totally true hopefully they will allow it to run on all kinds of hardware running windows software wink maybe even new phones GPD other hardware running windows
All Microsoft games going to steam? I'm still waiting for Viva Pinata: Trouble in Paradice, and Kameo, and Naughty Bear... 😶 My favourite 360 games..
Sending game-time? Personally if there was an option to turn off sending game-time, I'd turn it off. I don't like anything being sent from my computer. (Please let me know if there's an option🙏🏻)
As a player, I never buy first game in a series on a machine, that the sequels won't come out on.
Maybe the don’t want Steam Deck to get too big