Are there any good ways to use gaming handhelds as full PC setups? I know Russ has talked about it a bit, but it would be nice to have a discussion about the positives and negatives of a setup like that vs just getting a laptop.
I would like a Handheld talk about Handhelds which are like 1~5 years old you maybe still like. I love my RG353P for example because it feels perfect in my hands. Maybe some of you guys have also older Handhelds you still like or maybe a formfactor you want to see a more powerful version.
Epic intro 😂 can’t belive I first am finding you guys now absolutely gold!! It is pretty wild how the dude with the white t-shirts background blends perfectly into the background to the point that it looks like his shelf is just freestanding in-front of the retro looking city. Maybe give a handle tag under each person. Until then you will be dude in the white tshirt when I comment as a newcommer 😂
I thought there were 3 versions of the Legion Go S. $729 for the Windows version with more ram and more storage. The Windows version with the same specs as the Steam version is $599 and the Steam version is $499.
@Zanpaa Yeah, companies do that sort of thing all the time. I think they also want to release the lower spec version alongside the Steam version so they can compare how they sell.
Really appreciated you guys spending significant time on the state of Windows/Xbox gaming as someone who enjoys PC gaming but has preferred the convenience of Xbox and built most of my library there for years. I'm hopeful that MS is prioritizing a controller/lean-back experience, and am really hoping they'll do the work to bring Xbox-only games to Windows as a part of this ecosystem consolidation. As someone who has fantasized about console-izing my PC for decades, this SteamOS/MS race is a dream come true 👍
I am happy that Steam OS is coming. Although I prefer Windows. I tried out the Steam Deck and I disliked the experience as soon as I wanted to install anything "non steam" and even many steam games do not work or you need to check which Proton version you use etc. Windows is more comfortable for me and I feel like I have more options (I use Bigbox, Launchbox). But the first Setup is easier with steam, that is true.
@@Guckkasten85 Same, I'm purchasing the Windows version for similar reasons. I don't care which version other people choose. Neither Linux or Windows pay my bills or anything...I just hope that either versions of the Go 2 work well for those who buy them.
If you're used to tinkering with windows and don't mind spending the time to do it instead of just playing games, and also don't mind using an external keyboard and mouse to do do, yeah, windows is fine. But it's still a worse experience. I've been gaming on windows for decades and on a handheld, I'll take Steam OS any day.
@@Zanpaa I 100% respect your stance on this. I also used to add CFWs to my PSPs and such, so I'm used to it. For me though, I just want to play the games I want to play and for some reason the game I wanted to play on my steam deck...I couldn't due to anti-cheat or lack of support. I know I won't have the same issue because of my experience with Windows. Also the "Out of the box" aspect people love about Steam will also apply in a way for me as well.
If you can do crt beam scope simulation on lcd/oled, does that mean we have the potential to dust off the ol’ light guns and use them with this tech? I’d imagine there would be some sort of lag/timing issues but it would be really cool!
30:05 I don't know guys what's wrong with trackpads on your laptops, but random activation never happens on my Asus Vivobook. I literally just tried to move the pointer with palm and it doesn't move, only with my fingers. Before Vivobook I also had an Asus but TUF, and this didn't happen there either
Speaking of Legion Go, I think the price difference is because the optional SSD and RAM. Since it's $230 sounds like an upgrade for RAM and SSD at the same time. and for Windows, it probably cost $15 - $25 for each installment and it depends on how much they sell the device. The most curious part about Legion Go for me is that, how the sound difference between the Windows version and the Steam version, since steam are involve in the hardware development of it, I assume they tweak some sound too.
1:38:20 easy Microsoft should just charge a little more so I think its 11.99$ on pc make it 14.99$ for rhe valve cut. I would gladly pay a little more for a native steam app.
It's so funny to me that we basically figured out displays that don't destroy our eyes and brains after crt era (and plasma though that one was pretty short) - e-ink is basically perfect just not usable in every scenario; flicker-free backlight lcds with blue light filter are nice; reflective lcds have almost disappeared but are slooowly progressing and making their way back and transflective lcds are even further back but could start being feasible together with rlcd coming forward. And yet now we are actively developing both hardware and software that would hurt us again) Ahh the logical decisions that humans make
I think people have unrealistic expectations when it comes to weight to performance to life battery. Until we have solid state batteries we are not gonna get multiple triple digit battery life improvements generation on generation period.
i use a surface pro 4 on a lapdesk that need a urgent upgrade, i don have room for a full desk set up and i don't want a laptop as i use a bluetooth keyboard. This Asus table it made for me, its ideal just like the surface pro but on steriods!. Great episode but the way i watched it all, love cary's excitement taking about all everything
How are you liking the surface pro 4? I've gone through 2 of them in 2 years. My first one got overheated which expanded the battery so I couldn't see anything on the screen and my second one overheated and now has static almost like an old crt TV when it's overheats and the keyboard no longer connects but will work with other surfaces.
My experience with the surface pro 4 has been excellent. In the first year after purchase the screen went weird were it would flicker, but it was a known fault and I sent it in to Microsoft and they replaced it pretty quickly beside that it’s been great. Sorry to hear you’ve had such bad luck but mine has been ok. I’d be buying another one had they not started using arm processors
I have 2 days until my return expires. I'm thinking of returning my Legion Go for the Legion Go S windows. More ram, more battery, better speaker and vrr. For about $180 extra. Should I?
The Z2 Go chip is worse than Z1E. For however much more it is to upgrade im not sure it's worth it. We were told there's gonna be a Z1E version coming, I'd at least wait for that.
Do it. A big issue I ran into with the OG was the fact that it’s a portrait native display which caused some compatibility issues with certain games. Then if you ever wear polarized sunglasses while trying to play it you can’t see the screen anymore. Or if you can wait longer do the LeGo2 when they eventually drops.
For question if there would be no need to switch to another OS if windows only would solve that input problem, I'd like to add that Windows do eat up a huge amount of disk-space and non-needed components if they really plan to just add another UI on top of windows. Just my 2 cents
Using a Lenovo Legion laptop for 8 years I don't recall ever have an issue withe track pad triggering when typing. Looks like my palms just naturally rest on the sides of the track pad
Battery means nothing to me in terms of an upgrade. Games running better is what the upgrade is needed for on the switch 2. If it was just battery for me it’s DOA
Conversely I'm way more interested in longer battery times than anything else. Make it like my phone that I can use almost constantly for an entire day without charging. That'd be amazing. Higher performance? Meh, I have a desktop for that.
I hope we get some more interviews from software/game developers in the future! Otherwise I don't have too much to add to the topics, looking forward to seeing how SteamOS performs outside the deck.
The best version of the Strix Halo chip is going to be the HX385 where the CPU only has 8 cores and the GPU is cut down to 32 cores, and most importantly the price should be a lot lower than the HX395 while gaming performance on HX385 vs HX395 will be more or less the same.
@@Spencerwalker21 To my knowledge they never cut down the memory bus when cutting down chips, I don't think the memory bus is a component that can be manipulated in that way.
@@budthecyborg4575 idk because low power strix Halo is confirmed to be cut down to 128 bit bus so I don't know if that also applies to that gaming oriented 8 core 32cu halo chip as well
@@Spencerwalker21 You might be right but only because AMD appears to be listing an "HX380" with only 16 GPU cores, half of the HX385, which could indicate they disabled half of the entire GPU, which could include disabling half of the memory interface. That is a rather extreme cut down chip.
The asus rog flow z13 has been something ivw been looking forward to forever and ive been waiting to be able to afford the acrnm edition of the most recent model and now they come out with this !
Re: notepad code portion of this... Big corporations think they can solve their problems with money. It really comes down to skill. That's why one guy (without a dozen insecure bosses insisting on changing things so they can see their "contribution" ) can get so much more done alone than trying to hit moving targets that teams suffer from.
I often stream to the Deck from PC. I've set Steam client to run as administrator. I only get UAC from when I launch Steam not for the games. Even none-steam once.
Maybe the Switch 2 dock will have some kind of 3D space recognition where it can create a VR-like boundary, so you can have more interactive tennis or whatever with non-Joycon motion controls (waving your hands and moving around). Either that or some kind of eGPU upscaling to make the Switch scale up to 4K properly, but only in docked mode. Otherwise why would a dock need a fan?
Supposedly Apple started an internal game group to take gaming seriously on their silicon. Everyone knows they'd pull in a ton of windows users that want to bail, but who wants a Mac for creative work and still maintain or build a PC gaming rig for games... paying for two expensive computers. It's a big ask on top of buying a new suite of creative software.
Russ...I think the new Asus XGP dock is Thunderbolt5 only. I thought I remember someone saying it was not backcompat with TB4... Guess we will find out
I started gaming with my grandkids on Nintendo Switch a few years ago and felt the UI was great. Each userID on the box does not require an email address and if I remember correctly there is NO Marketing on the Home Page. When I got a XBOX it was so cluttered and hated it. They could easily make it so much better to simply remove all Marketing on the Home page. But of course they do not want to do that. Pretty much everyone that was part of the beta testing of the current UI (most of 2024) hated all of the Marketing on the Home Page. My favorite UI is on the Apple TV 4k. You pretty much have full control of the UI. Imagine if the head of Microsoft said I would like you to design a UI where the user has full control of what they see. That is what I want. Regarding PC UI. This is difficult because you have a desktop OS. What Apple did was you have macOS (desktop OS). But instead of putting macOS on every device they have iOS, iPadOS, WatchOS and tvOS. For gaming I just want it to work like the XBOX (i.e. hook to the TV or monitor) without a requirement for a keyboard/mouse. And a fully customizable UI. But, it is not that MS can not do this but they just do not want to. One of you said they are just too slow. Yes, that is part of it but again, this is by design not incompetence.
I would really like to see the Xbox console UI on PC. No major R&D needed. This seems like such a simple way to get round the windows desktop UI. This would also help windows handhelds MASSIVELY. I think having that UI that unifies all the storefronts is expecting too much from Microsoft give previous behaviour. I think the best to hope for is allow the stores to be launched from that UI instead.
Can i buy the one with Windows OS then Dual boot it or erase it and flash the Steam OS. Coz the windows version has a little bigger specs and license Window OS.Would it be possible to just do that. Dual boot or replace the OS.
I use Notepad for my daily musings (.LOG) on my 5800X3D and it opens instantaneously. Interesting your presumably superior PC takes so long. I don't know how I could be mistaken about that but I largely agree with what you guys say on most subjects. Thanks.
The biggest problem Apple would have when tackling gaming is making an affordable controller. You know they would try to have you on a 2 year payment plan for a controller. There is no way they could produce something under $100 and be fine with it.
38:40 I want this as a content. CRT Reshade kinda fun. 52:38 Microsoft doing some Fontend for other platforms than Microsoft store? is not gonna happen. What most likely happen is they just going to build a game bar for PC handheld basically a bandage aid for Windows as a gaming platform, and for the future they just going to plop XBOX OS in their own handheld.
Switch 2? I’m interested only if it has 3D like the 3ds. I loved that feature on the 3DS and we have another company working on a handheld with that feature. Hmmmm
Need to get that VRR OLED panel into other stuff.... don't really like the detachable controllers or the random extra buttons on the Go. Throw an 8 inch version of that screen into Go S 2 or Ally 2 would be the dream.
I rather Microsoft. Just like I rather Android. The flexibility & still able to run steam Big picture. They just need to debloat or create a game UI. Until then I'm still good with windows. I think the problem is ppl using their handheld doing pc stuff & installing all types of software etc. I use my handheld as a handheld, instead emulators & keep it simple. No need to change settings every time I play a game.
I'll probably skip this year's handhelds and stay with my Legion Go. But if its possible I will buy the new Legion Go 2 controllers to put on my original Legion Go.
After listening to the Official Legion Go answer & question live stream... ( They confirmed that the Z1 Extreme version of the S with 32gb of DDR memory, will be the most powerful out of the the S line-up... ) Which makes me think the Z1 version was included as a direct competitor to the Ally X, at least until the new Legion Go 2 with the Z2 Extreme comes later this year... ( So the Legion Go S with the Z2 Go chip & windows, feels like an odd decision for Lenovo to offer considering its short comings compared to the current cost of a Legion Go with a Z1 Extreme chip... )
Not really odd..Windows isnt free and some ppl prefer windows..especially if you're going to use it for more than just gaming.. On top of that valve maybe even offset the cost of the steam OS version because it pretty much locks you in to buying games on steam..
@86lanzo Think you miss-understood my comment... ( The S with 32gb of SSD & windows & the X1 Extreme currently makes sense, as it out performs the new S Z2 Go offerings... ) ~ I'm much more in favour of windows on larger more powerful gaming handhelds, as they have multi-use potential in other areas such as music & video production etc...
No people do know what's going on with the Switch 2 lens. It's a projector that works as a mouse as well. It's been known for a long while but channels refuse to talk about it.
@@budthecyborg4575I agree with you. I currently have a Legion Go Z1. Mostly I play older souls likes. I almost always play at native resolution (1600p).
@@budthecyborg4575 You can run games with higher resolution. Even Steam Deck can run 4K INTERNALLY on its display and scaled down to 800p (720p). Deck has already over 200 dpi, Lenovos etc even more...
at 7:00, The exp with compact is bad. The issue it's not the UI per se(AKA the visuel), it's the UX AKA the way you interact with it. It's just a glorify ''Tab'' keyboard input mapped to joysticks/Dpad, there're are no shortcuts to switch from gamepass, library, setting using RB/LB for exemple, no ''press X button'' when you are on your library game, you HAVE to ''tab'' al the way to the play button, etc. UI is ok, could use some improvement, but UX is BAD BAD. They should look at what they did with Xbox and even there, you CANT move the top tabs from home, store, game pass, etc easily, you HAVE to bring the cursor on top to switch(correct me if I'm wrong) Steam Big Picture is good, not a glorify ''move cursor'' setup
You guys are the best. Though in your wishlist to Microsoft I can't believe you missed suspend/wake in addition to Xbox big picture mode. This is VITAL!
@@NerdNest it's all good boss just wanted to point it out! I'd arguably take that over a front-end as a busy dad. I can deal with windows, but being able to get in and out of a game quickly is so important lol! Can't wait for the next episode. You guys are the handheld Avengers! ❤️
49:52 thats actually just Valve trying to develop a new way to Dual Boot, all they would have to do is add Grub to SteamOS and after an Update it would Detect Windows and add a boot option to the Boot Menu that SteamOS also does not have.
When I use Windows, I feel like I own nothing, and it desperately wants to harvest my data and sell me ads. It also just eats up resources, which isn't good for these handhelds. I much prefer using Linux/SteamOS over Windows.
Microsoft can fix public perception and make us "love" them, they just need to: Abolish Windows Recall, remove the TPM and other stupid requirements, disable the dark patterns, bring back Windows HTPC edition, bring back Windows Home Server edition, stop pushing everyone to use the Windows Store, stop spamming the OS with ad's, stop selling me software in the Windows Store, then move it the Xbox app requiring me to install and enable even more spamming rubbish software........
For me MS is dipping into AI and their ideas to record users' desktops, even if only for the users' benefit, allegedly, is just a little too much for me. I want to reduce bloat and increase performance on my hardware, so I'm moving to Linux for this reason. Especially now that most of my Steam library works with the various OS distros
56:24 Nintendo definitely Cares about Competing with Sony its why they Sued Palword it was prevent Sony from Competing with Pokemon because Sony Bought the Palworld Brand and Started making moves to Compete Pokemon not just in Games but in Merch to, nintendo saw those moves and Luanched their Lawsuit. Also the reason released the N64 instead of the Console they Developed with Sony was because the Sales Contract for that would have given the Sony the Potential to buy Nintendo or take over via Japanese Legal Loopholes. If Sony did not buy palworld that Lawsuit probably would not have happened
The amount of japanese games not on xbox is huge. When I lookup a game by a Japanese dev it'll be ps4/5, nintendo switch and steam. Its like 1 in 10 games are on xbox.
An educated guess from anyone regarding the price of the Legion Go 2 in Europe? I don't wanna keep my excitement for it if it's gonna be horrifying a price when it's revealed, so blast it at me now pls so I keep myself in check
@NerdNest Sounds like it. I see I can preorder the White Legion Go S with 32 Go Ram, 1Tb storage for 799.99 euros with free shipping so it must at least be 900 as you said. Well, I'd still pay that much to be honest. 🤣
I wonder why you think Microsoft can may a good hand held OS. When the PC version is so bloated. If we look at everything that they have done from phone, tablets, to their own version of RUclips. Not to mention that fact that they have the worst console sells and have release games in 30fps. Just to fix them months later. How can you depend on them making a light weight OS for handhelds? Just look at their own apps for gaming.
Hi! New to the channel. Love the show. Sorry for the newbie question but are you guys sponsored by Valve or something? You guys seem very biased towards everything steam deck and anti the windows consoles. Seems so strange for a gaming show. Shouldn't you favor the devices that can actually PLAY all the games? Anyway love your coverage on the games themselves. If you are paid by Valve or something I guess I get it then.
Microsoft has been working on a "lite" version of windows 11 for 2 years now.. I doubt it will be just a big picture mode for windows.. Its probably gonna be a stipe down less bloated windows back end with xbox UI.. More than likely it wil also be the sane OS for the next xbox.
Palm rejection isn't a Mac vs windows thing, as far as I can tell. I think it's a good vs cheap touchpad thing. Mac only has good touchpads, whereas you have cheap windows laptops (and even some expensive ones) that have cheap touch pads.
SteamOS is the one that needs to step it up with that frame gen support b/c I sure as heck ain’t gonna buy a 16 GB of RAM SteamOS gaming device knowing that this standard is antiquated & there is no universal frame gen support. The irony is that the Legion SteamOS device is still underpowered. Just like the steamdeck is underpowered. It might work today but it’s a bad future investment. Windows is not going to hold your hand, coddle you, and spoon feed you if that it what you think windows needs to do in order to “step it up” Microsoft isn’t going to provide you a blanky for nap time. If you are an adult then you are the one who needs to “step it up” lool
What topics do you want us to talk about next week?
Are there any good ways to use gaming handhelds as full PC setups? I know Russ has talked about it a bit, but it would be nice to have a discussion about the positives and negatives of a setup like that vs just getting a laptop.
The possibility of Valve using a version of the AMD Strix Halo chip (Custom version? 30 CUs) for the alleged new Steam Machine "Fremont".
I would like a Handheld talk about Handhelds which are like 1~5 years old you maybe still like. I love my RG353P for example because it feels perfect in my hands. Maybe some of you guys have also older Handhelds you still like or maybe a formfactor you want to see a more powerful version.
Please cover the DeckSight OLED mod for the LCD Steam Deck.
Bill do you jump onto other gaming podcast? Would love to see you on The Gaming Circle's podcast
Its crazy this channel isnt over 100k subs yet, we have to get active out here. This is one of the best weekly gamer shows out imho
Agreed! He will get there!
2:19 What you said: Cary says hi
What they heard: Cary sends his regards.
Epic intro 😂 can’t belive I first am finding you guys now absolutely gold!! It is pretty wild how the dude with the white t-shirts background blends perfectly into the background to the point that it looks like his shelf is just freestanding in-front of the retro looking city. Maybe give a handle tag under each person. Until then you will be dude in the white tshirt when I comment as a newcommer 😂
Awesome episode guys! I really enjoyed the insights into the new products!
The Legion Go 2 has an actual trackpad, while the Legion Go S has an optical pointer.
That def is a more desirable built. Yay trackpad
I thought there were 3 versions of the Legion Go S. $729 for the Windows version with more ram and more storage. The Windows version with the same specs as the Steam version is $599 and the Steam version is $499.
This is correct
But the low spec windows one will not launch at the same time, they want you to spend the money for the expensive one.
@Zanpaa Yeah, companies do that sort of thing all the time. I think they also want to release the lower spec version alongside the Steam version so they can compare how they sell.
Really appreciated you guys spending significant time on the state of Windows/Xbox gaming as someone who enjoys PC gaming but has preferred the convenience of Xbox and built most of my library there for years. I'm hopeful that MS is prioritizing a controller/lean-back experience, and am really hoping they'll do the work to bring Xbox-only games to Windows as a part of this ecosystem consolidation. As someone who has fantasized about console-izing my PC for decades, this SteamOS/MS race is a dream come true 👍
I am happy that Steam OS is coming. Although I prefer Windows. I tried out the Steam Deck and I disliked the experience as soon as I wanted to install anything "non steam" and even many steam games do not work or you need to check which Proton version you use etc. Windows is more comfortable for me and I feel like I have more options (I use Bigbox, Launchbox). But the first Setup is easier with steam, that is true.
@@Guckkasten85 Same, I'm purchasing the Windows version for similar reasons. I don't care which version other people choose. Neither Linux or Windows pay my bills or anything...I just hope that either versions of the Go 2 work well for those who buy them.
If you're used to tinkering with windows and don't mind spending the time to do it instead of just playing games, and also don't mind using an external keyboard and mouse to do do, yeah, windows is fine. But it's still a worse experience. I've been gaming on windows for decades and on a handheld, I'll take Steam OS any day.
@@Zanpaa I 100% respect your stance on this. I also used to add CFWs to my PSPs and such, so I'm used to it. For me though, I just want to play the games I want to play and for some reason the game I wanted to play on my steam deck...I couldn't due to anti-cheat or lack of support.
I know I won't have the same issue because of my experience with Windows. Also the "Out of the box" aspect people love about Steam will also apply in a way for me as well.
30:00 As a previous Synaptics employee, I found that funny haha
I really want Windows to have a UAC option for that specific hash of the .EXE file where it stops asking.
Much better than people turning it off.
39:12 CRT filters are going to look amazing on the new 500hz OLED monitors.
My brother is heading the marketing for the Sony Afeela car and im so jealous he got to go to CES. I couldve met Russ and tried the Mcon!! 😂😂
I enjoyed the show and all the CES talk, this year is going to be very interesting tech-wise!
great episode. i'm excited to see Strix Halo and the future chips from that family.
If you can do crt beam scope simulation on lcd/oled, does that mean we have the potential to dust off the ol’ light guns and use them with this tech?
I’d imagine there would be some sort of lag/timing issues but it would be really cool!
as a Linux user for over 20 years, to me using windows makes me feel like I don't have hands anymore!
Budy trust me it is the same other way around :D I like Linux but I just cant use it XD
I have been a life long Windows user but a couple of years ago I could not take their bs anymore SO happy on Linux now
@@atechchecktry PoPOS
@ Awesome :) I just can not replace my software 1:1 and I dont have another life to get it working across the river hehe :D
30:05 I don't know guys what's wrong with trackpads on your laptops, but random activation never happens on my Asus Vivobook. I literally just tried to move the pointer with palm and it doesn't move, only with my fingers. Before Vivobook I also had an Asus but TUF, and this didn't happen there either
What a nice video to enjoy on my day off. Thanks guys, appreciate ya.
Speaking of Legion Go, I think the price difference is because the optional SSD and RAM. Since it's $230 sounds like an upgrade for RAM and SSD at the same time.
and for Windows, it probably cost $15 - $25 for each installment and it depends on how much they sell the device.
The most curious part about Legion Go for me is that, how the sound difference between the Windows version and the Steam version, since steam are involve in the hardware development of it, I assume they tweak some sound too.
40:00 what is this shader please? Where can I find it thanks
Retro Crisis channel answered my prayers and showed the place to find it and how to install it.
1:38:20 easy Microsoft should just charge a little more so I think its 11.99$ on pc make it 14.99$ for rhe valve cut. I would gladly pay a little more for a native steam app.
It's so funny to me that we basically figured out displays that don't destroy our eyes and brains after crt era (and plasma though that one was pretty short) - e-ink is basically perfect just not usable in every scenario; flicker-free backlight lcds with blue light filter are nice; reflective lcds have almost disappeared but are slooowly progressing and making their way back and transflective lcds are even further back but could start being feasible together with rlcd coming forward.
And yet now we are actively developing both hardware and software that would hurt us again)
Ahh the logical decisions that humans make
Doubling battery life is not a generational upgrade, it's a refresh.
To be fair valve only gave us a 30-50% battery life upgrade on the oled so doubling is alot more impressive.
I think people have unrealistic expectations when it comes to weight to performance to life battery. Until we have solid state batteries we are not gonna get multiple triple digit battery life improvements generation on generation period.
@N34R4T0M4T not arguing against that, but saying "more battery life = generational upgrade" is just wrong lol
46:58 looking through the app available on things like SteamOS and Ubuntu, Linux can definitely run my day-to-day pretty comfortably.
i use a surface pro 4 on a lapdesk that need a urgent upgrade, i don have room for a full desk set up and i don't want a laptop as i use a bluetooth keyboard. This Asus table it made for me, its ideal just like the surface pro but on steriods!. Great episode but the way i watched it all, love cary's excitement taking about all everything
How are you liking the surface pro 4? I've gone through 2 of them in 2 years. My first one got overheated which expanded the battery so I couldn't see anything on the screen and my second one overheated and now has static almost like an old crt TV when it's overheats and the keyboard no longer connects but will work with other surfaces.
My experience with the surface pro 4 has been excellent. In the first year after purchase the screen went weird were it would flicker, but it was a known fault and I sent it in to Microsoft and they replaced it pretty quickly beside that it’s been great. Sorry to hear you’ve had such bad luck but mine has been ok. I’d be buying another one had they not started using arm processors
this feels like digital foundry from another universe
As a card carrying Linux Neck Beard that intro did the channel name justice.
Bill describing Carrie building the new UI of Windows with a box of scraps really makes him sound like Iron man lol.
That was the point 😐
How low goes VRR range on Lenovo SteamOS version ?
I have 2 days until my return expires. I'm thinking of returning my Legion Go for the Legion Go S windows. More ram, more battery, better speaker and vrr. For about $180 extra. Should I?
@@cletp758 do it
The Z2 Go chip is worse than Z1E. For however much more it is to upgrade im not sure it's worth it. We were told there's gonna be a Z1E version coming, I'd at least wait for that.
Do it. A big issue I ran into with the OG was the fact that it’s a portrait native display which caused some compatibility issues with certain games. Then if you ever wear polarized sunglasses while trying to play it you can’t see the screen anymore. Or if you can wait longer do the LeGo2 when they eventually drops.
For question if there would be no need to switch to another OS if windows only would solve that input problem, I'd like to add that Windows do eat up a huge amount of disk-space and non-needed components if they really plan to just add another UI on top of windows. Just my 2 cents
yeah, we were talking about for "most people"
Super excited for the legion go s
Day one updates for Legion Go is good to know. One of the reasons I returned mine was because of their terrible drivers.
Using a Lenovo Legion laptop for 8 years I don't recall ever have an issue withe track pad triggering when typing. Looks like my palms just naturally rest on the sides of the track pad
Battery means nothing to me in terms of an upgrade. Games running better is what the upgrade is needed for on the switch 2. If it was just battery for me it’s DOA
Conversely I'm way more interested in longer battery times than anything else. Make it like my phone that I can use almost constantly for an entire day without charging. That'd be amazing. Higher performance? Meh, I have a desktop for that.
Middle ground position slightly better battery life with more performance gains is what i want
I hope we get some more interviews from software/game developers in the future!
Otherwise I don't have too much to add to the topics, looking forward to seeing how SteamOS performs outside the deck.
damn it we got the switch U after all!
1:00:01 It's probable that the dock is an eGPU. That would be sick.
Probably not. But they will probably pump a ton of power into it and need to dissipate the heat.
@ great point.
The best version of the Strix Halo chip is going to be the HX385 where the CPU only has 8 cores and the GPU is cut down to 32 cores, and most importantly the price should be a lot lower than the HX395 while gaming performance on HX385 vs HX395 will be more or less the same.
Does that 8 core chip still have a 256 bit bus
@@Spencerwalker21 To my knowledge they never cut down the memory bus when cutting down chips, I don't think the memory bus is a component that can be manipulated in that way.
@@budthecyborg4575 idk because low power strix Halo is confirmed to be cut down to 128 bit bus so I don't know if that also applies to that gaming oriented 8 core 32cu halo chip as well
@@Spencerwalker21 You might be right but only because AMD appears to be listing an "HX380" with only 16 GPU cores, half of the HX385, which could indicate they disabled half of the entire GPU, which could include disabling half of the memory interface.
That is a rather extreme cut down chip.
The asus rog flow z13 has been something ivw been looking forward to forever and ive been waiting to be able to afford the acrnm edition of the most recent model and now they come out with this !
Re: notepad code portion of this...
Big corporations think they can solve their problems with money. It really comes down to skill.
That's why one guy (without a dozen insecure bosses insisting on changing things so they can see their "contribution" ) can get so much more done alone than trying to hit moving targets that teams suffer from.
I often stream to the Deck from PC. I've set Steam client to run as administrator. I only get UAC from when I launch Steam not for the games. Even none-steam once.
There was one big NVIDIA phone many years ago. The Motorola Atrix with the Tegra 2 in it. I hope they come back to mobile one of these days.
Maybe the Switch 2 dock will have some kind of 3D space recognition where it can create a VR-like boundary, so you can have more interactive tennis or whatever with non-Joycon motion controls (waving your hands and moving around). Either that or some kind of eGPU upscaling to make the Switch scale up to 4K properly, but only in docked mode. Otherwise why would a dock need a fan?
Supposedly Apple started an internal game group to take gaming seriously on their silicon. Everyone knows they'd pull in a ton of windows users that want to bail, but who wants a Mac for creative work and still maintain or build a PC gaming rig for games... paying for two expensive computers. It's a big ask on top of buying a new suite of creative software.
Russ...I think the new Asus XGP dock is Thunderbolt5 only. I thought I remember someone saying it was not backcompat with TB4... Guess we will find out
Switch 2 is a reverse Wii U. Handheld send video to the dock for dual screen. That's my guess anyway
Acer should have put the AI Max+ 395 in the Nitro Blaze 11 with a bigger battery.
What did you guys think of the new Lenovo circular Dpads!!!????
I started gaming with my grandkids on Nintendo Switch a few years ago and felt the UI was great. Each userID on the box does not require an email address and if I remember correctly there is NO Marketing on the Home Page. When I got a XBOX it was so cluttered and hated it. They could easily make it so much better to simply remove all Marketing on the Home page. But of course they do not want to do that. Pretty much everyone that was part of the beta testing of the current UI (most of 2024) hated all of the Marketing on the Home Page. My favorite UI is on the Apple TV 4k. You pretty much have full control of the UI. Imagine if the head of Microsoft said I would like you to design a UI where the user has full control of what they see. That is what I want. Regarding PC UI. This is difficult because you have a desktop OS. What Apple did was you have macOS (desktop OS). But instead of putting macOS on every device they have iOS, iPadOS, WatchOS and tvOS. For gaming I just want it to work like the XBOX (i.e. hook to the TV or monitor) without a requirement for a keyboard/mouse. And a fully customizable UI. But, it is not that MS can not do this but they just do not want to. One of you said they are just too slow. Yes, that is part of it but again, this is by design not incompetence.
Will it have Stylus-pen support? I think Asus is about to announce a handheld with Strix Halo 80whr, so better wait.
I would really like to see the Xbox console UI on PC. No major R&D needed. This seems like such a simple way to get round the windows desktop UI. This would also help windows handhelds MASSIVELY. I think having that UI that unifies all the storefronts is expecting too much from Microsoft give previous behaviour. I think the best to hope for is allow the stores to be launched from that UI instead.
Can i buy the one with Windows OS then Dual boot it or erase it and flash the Steam OS.
Coz the windows version has a little bigger specs and license Window OS.Would it be possible to just do that. Dual boot or replace the OS.
Well im excited for the Go S running Steam OS. SOLD!
Great video
Russ - love your opinions. Please talk more.
5:58 I still 1000% distrust Microsoft still
I use Notepad for my daily musings (.LOG) on my 5800X3D and it opens instantaneously. Interesting your presumably superior PC takes so long. I don't know how I could be mistaken about that but I largely agree with what you guys say on most subjects. Thanks.
Windows 11 yeah? They added the new rubbish slow tabbed version of Notepad to Windows 11. It's possible to revert it thankfully but it's a bit janky.
The biggest problem Apple would have when tackling gaming is making an affordable controller.
You know they would try to have you on a 2 year payment plan for a controller. There is no way they could produce something under $100 and be fine with it.
Apple has heard you its 99.99😎lol
Could they use the halo stryx in a handheld device ? He would just be amazing.
38:40 I want this as a content. CRT Reshade kinda fun.
52:38 Microsoft doing some Fontend for other platforms than Microsoft store? is not gonna happen.
What most likely happen is they just going to build a game bar for PC handheld basically a bandage aid for Windows as a gaming platform, and for the future they just going to plop XBOX OS in their own handheld.
I want the Asus rog flow z13 for 3d sculpting, then there's no need for a seprate display tablet for that
Switch 2? I’m interested only if it has 3D like the 3ds. I loved that feature on the 3DS and we have another company working on a handheld with that feature. Hmmmm
Need to get that VRR OLED panel into other stuff.... don't really like the detachable controllers or the random extra buttons on the Go. Throw an 8 inch version of that screen into Go S 2 or Ally 2 would be the dream.
I've heard that oled and vrr still have flickering issues.
If I can play my xbox games with my saves, achievements, offline play, the whole kit and kaboodle i'll buy an Ally X tomorrow.
I rather Microsoft. Just like I rather Android. The flexibility & still able to run steam Big picture. They just need to debloat or create a game UI. Until then I'm still good with windows. I think the problem is ppl using their handheld doing pc stuff & installing all types of software etc. I use my handheld as a handheld, instead emulators & keep it simple. No need to change settings every time I play a game.
I'll probably skip this year's handhelds and stay with my Legion Go. But if its possible I will buy the new Legion Go 2 controllers to put on my original Legion Go.
After listening to the Official Legion Go answer & question live stream...
( They confirmed that the Z1 Extreme version of the S with 32gb of DDR memory, will be the most powerful out of the the S line-up... )
Which makes me think the Z1 version was included as a direct competitor to the Ally X, at least until the new Legion Go 2 with the Z2 Extreme comes later this year...
( So the Legion Go S with the Z2 Go chip & windows, feels like an odd decision for Lenovo to offer considering its short comings compared to the current cost of a Legion Go with a Z1 Extreme chip... )
Not really odd..Windows isnt free and some ppl prefer windows..especially if you're going to use it for more than just gaming..
On top of that valve maybe even offset the cost of the steam OS version because it pretty much locks you in to buying games on steam..
@86lanzo Think you miss-understood my comment... ( The S with 32gb of SSD & windows & the X1 Extreme currently makes sense, as it out performs the new S Z2 Go offerings... ) ~
I'm much more in favour of windows on larger more powerful gaming handhelds, as they have multi-use potential in other areas such as music & video production etc...
Just buy the SteamOs one and buy a white skin. I know it may not be as clean, but man that price difference would be worth it to me to get the skin.
Im wondering if the Legion Go 2 would come with steamos!?
No only the S
@thetechnosaiyan ty
@@richricks78we dont know actually i don't think Lenovo said definitely no. Im hoping the cheaper s steam model does well.
@@Spencerwalker21 ty.. i hope so too
That will never happen, but I would love to see steam OS on the next Nintendo switch.
1:17:35 can you do a post upload "BLEEP" edit? Definitely don't want Cary getting in trouble 🙉🙊
and 1:20:06 😋 . He's just sooo excited
I really want microsoft to fix the games for windows games and then add various older Activision games to Steam from the PS2 and PS3 era
No people do know what's going on with the Switch 2 lens. It's a projector that works as a mouse as well. It's been known for a long while but channels refuse to talk about it.
It's been rumored. Not known. It isn't known until Nintendo announces it.
@@NerdNest true.
If the Legion Go 2 comes out with a 1920x1200 resolution panel a lot of people are going to be really disappointed.
Most games can't run at that higher res anyway, I think it's fine.
@@NerdNest You can always lower resolution in software, you can never add more pixels to the display after the fact.
I'm fine with it being able to run higher resolutions for external displays and pseudo AA. The display itself doesn't need more pixels at that size.
@@budthecyborg4575I agree with you. I currently have a Legion Go Z1. Mostly I play older souls likes. I almost always play at native resolution (1600p).
@@budthecyborg4575 You can run games with higher resolution. Even Steam Deck can run 4K INTERNALLY on its display and scaled down to 800p (720p).
Deck has already over 200 dpi, Lenovos etc even more...
In regards to Windows - I said good bye already. Steam Deck and my Desktop (on CachyOS) plus Android (Tab/Mobile). I'm happier.
I’m still with my RTX 2070 I’m just waiting for razer to drop their new laptop then I’ll have a huge upgrade with the 50 series
The more I listen the more I think im the only one running windows 10 on my syeam deck
Having the products be just different (color, hardware, OS) is weird. That way we can't really get proper data of what made it more popular.
Will this be able to play cod? Or madden?
at 7:00, The exp with compact is bad. The issue it's not the UI per se(AKA the visuel), it's the UX AKA the way you interact with it. It's just a glorify ''Tab'' keyboard input mapped to joysticks/Dpad, there're are no shortcuts to switch from gamepass, library, setting using RB/LB for exemple, no ''press X button'' when you are on your library game, you HAVE to ''tab'' al the way to the play button, etc.
UI is ok, could use some improvement, but UX is BAD BAD. They should look at what they did with Xbox and even there, you CANT move the top tabs from home, store, game pass, etc easily, you HAVE to bring the cursor on top to switch(correct me if I'm wrong)
Steam Big Picture is good, not a glorify ''move cursor'' setup
Microsoft is not just doing a big picture mode
You guys are the best. Though in your wishlist to Microsoft I can't believe you missed suspend/wake in addition to Xbox big picture mode. This is VITAL!
Oh man, how could we overlook that.
@@NerdNest it's all good boss just wanted to point it out! I'd arguably take that over a front-end as a busy dad. I can deal with windows, but being able to get in and out of a game quickly is so important lol! Can't wait for the next episode. You guys are the handheld Avengers! ❤️
49:52 thats actually just Valve trying to develop a new way to Dual Boot, all they would have to do is add Grub to SteamOS and after an Update it would Detect Windows and add a boot option to the Boot Menu that SteamOS also does not have.
When I use Windows, I feel like I own nothing, and it desperately wants to harvest my data and sell me ads.
It also just eats up resources, which isn't good for these handhelds.
I much prefer using Linux/SteamOS over Windows.
500ms is acceptable? No wonder the Start Menu is so laggy now.
Microsoft can fix public perception and make us "love" them, they just need to: Abolish Windows Recall, remove the TPM and other stupid requirements, disable the dark patterns, bring back Windows HTPC edition, bring back Windows Home Server edition, stop pushing everyone to use the Windows Store, stop spamming the OS with ad's, stop selling me software in the Windows Store, then move it the Xbox app requiring me to install and enable even more spamming rubbish software........
For me MS is dipping into AI and their ideas to record users' desktops, even if only for the users' benefit, allegedly, is just a little too much for me. I want to reduce bloat and increase performance on my hardware, so I'm moving to Linux for this reason. Especially now that most of my Steam library works with the various OS distros
Tencent 3d handheld
56:24 Nintendo definitely Cares about Competing with Sony its why they Sued Palword it was prevent Sony from Competing with Pokemon because Sony Bought the Palworld Brand and Started making moves to Compete Pokemon not just in Games but in Merch to, nintendo saw those moves and Luanched their Lawsuit. Also the reason released the N64 instead of the Console they Developed with Sony was because the Sales Contract for that would have given the Sony the Potential to buy Nintendo or take over via Japanese Legal Loopholes.
If Sony did not buy palworld that Lawsuit probably would not have happened
The amount of japanese games not on xbox is huge. When I lookup a game by a Japanese dev it'll be ps4/5, nintendo switch and steam. Its like 1 in 10 games are on xbox.
Yes love, everything is garbage 😂 Love you guys.
An educated guess from anyone regarding the price of the Legion Go 2 in Europe? I don't wanna keep my excitement for it if it's gonna be horrifying a price when it's revealed, so blast it at me now pls so I keep myself in check
I'm betting 900 or more
@NerdNest Sounds like it. I see I can preorder the White Legion Go S with 32 Go Ram, 1Tb storage for 799.99 euros with free shipping so it must at least be 900 as you said. Well, I'd still pay that much to be honest. 🤣
He's gotta be saying HX3070 on purpose at this point.
I wonder why you think Microsoft can may a good hand held OS. When the PC version is so bloated. If we look at everything that they have done from phone, tablets, to their own version of RUclips. Not to mention that fact that they have the worst console sells and have release games in 30fps. Just to fix them months later. How can you depend on them making a light weight OS for handhelds? Just look at their own apps for gaming.
Hi! New to the channel. Love the show. Sorry for the newbie question but are you guys sponsored by Valve or something? You guys seem very biased towards everything steam deck and anti the windows consoles. Seems so strange for a gaming show. Shouldn't you favor the devices that can actually PLAY all the games? Anyway love your coverage on the games themselves. If you are paid by Valve or something I guess I get it then.
We're not paid, we just have our preferences.
Microsoft has been working on a "lite" version of windows 11 for 2 years now..
I doubt it will be just a big picture mode for windows..
Its probably gonna be a stipe down less bloated windows back end with xbox UI..
More than likely it wil also be the sane OS for the next xbox.
This will be the way. Someone at Microsoft already talked about this idea a few years ago. I'm sure this has been in the works for a while now.
@86lanzo it's never been proven that Microsoft is working on anything like that
230$ for a windows license, 512 Gb storage and 16 GB of ram is not a ripoff. If it was apple you'd be north of a thousand.
Windows is free for small screen devices
@@janmdsdksit might be but that's old news around windows phone and Windows 8 not sure if Microsoft is still doing it
Palm rejection isn't a Mac vs windows thing, as far as I can tell. I think it's a good vs cheap touchpad thing. Mac only has good touchpads, whereas you have cheap windows laptops (and even some expensive ones) that have cheap touch pads.
Fair enough.
SteamOS is the one that needs to step it up with that frame gen support b/c I sure as heck ain’t gonna buy a 16 GB of RAM SteamOS gaming device knowing that this standard is antiquated & there is no universal frame gen support. The irony is that the Legion SteamOS device is still underpowered. Just like the steamdeck is underpowered. It might work today but it’s a bad future investment. Windows is not going to hold your hand, coddle you, and spoon feed you if that it what you think windows needs to do in order to “step it up” Microsoft isn’t going to provide you a blanky for nap time. If you are an adult then you are the one who needs to “step it up” lool