As a Yamaha fan, and a KTM 300cc rider I can say that it is a shame that Yamaha does not invest in the production of a proper 300cc enduro bike. The YZ engine without a counter balance shaft will never be the same level as the engine on other enduro bikes even the Beta has a counter balance shaft. If you race 5.6 hour hard enduro races you know the difference...
Yamaha has invested in a 300cc machine as they are directly tied to Fantic financially. Also, I'm sick of the counter balancer crap. GasGas (yes, the real Spanish GG!) had counter balancers in their two strokes almost two decades before KTM and everybody said it wasn't needed, just added more crap and weight to the bike, so they did away with it. Then, as soon as KTM comes out with a CB engine it is somehow the best thing since sliced bread! Give me freakin a break.
YZ 250 was never designed to be an enduro bike. The YZ was a motocross bike, yes many were used in the trail and it was the electric starter that made KTM the winning bikes they are today. If the CR250 or YZ250 was first with an electic start we'd be having totally different conversations.
I cant wait to rest ride it. No motorcycle should ever cancel the kickstart even to save weight. If you have two ways to start the bike, it’s never a bad option.
After owning my KTM 250xc for 2 years i dont miss a kickstart. Electric start has been flawless. I want one these Fantic bikes, not sure if they are coming to US though
Stick with KTM 250 & 300 2-strokes. Or go with Husqvarna or GasGas smokers as they're all under the KTM banner. Sure the Fantic looks ok but will it be easy to get parts for? I've never had a problem with my old 2011 KTM-300xc with e-start. Think before you buy please. I've been looking at the 2024 Husqvarna fe-501s for a good street legal "albeit' 4- stroke but still a very nice bike!
Hace tiempo que las 2T NO están muriendo. Solo las japonesas piensan eso, que además son las marcas que menos invierten en desarrollo 🤷🏻♂️ En general las marcas europeas siguen al mercado que ama más que nunca el 2T Saludos
@@woodysrockspyro6436 Only 2% of people ride the YZ in Hawaii, not enough lug. Having to kickstart these relics over and over takes away so much of your energy. It's shocking when you pay attention to it. But this is real hard enduro territory. For more open stuff where you can scream it and not stall very often, I'm sure they are great.
It’s actually a TBI bike. Looking at the engine pics - both injectors are in the top of the throttle body. What may look like a TPI type injector - is actually a crankcase pressure sensor. Does the bike come with the babe sitting on top? She Italian? If so I’m in. 😂 Also that starter location is choice! ❤
What makes the yz a yz is how simple it is, I’ve honestly racked my brain over this for weeks comparing the yz to a ktm and the only thing I would tell Yamaha to upgrade the engine slightly but keep the kickstart and carb
Small correction: This engine it's NOT direct injection. At best, transfer port injection. A damn shame how Japan for the most part (Honda, Kawasaki & Suzuki) turned it's back on the humble 2 strokes. Thank you #KTM and all other who didn't abandon it and actually made it better. 👌😊👍
You combine the greatest of all Yamaha and the Italians you have the greatest motorcycle ever made. Now let's get a new 125 Motocross with the morelli motor
Why no kickstart? Because it is utterly pointless on an injected bike. If battery doesn't have enough juice to start the engine, in practical terms it won't have enough to power fuel pump and injectors.
Yamaha actually said that fantik was not allowed to sell those bikes in the United States for a certain amount of years and I believe it was up to 7 years but there's always workarounds.
Yes the kick start option should always be available as a dead or failing battery can make this a desirable thing !!! Of course you can just bump start by getting a rolling start and dumping the clutch bike in a second or third gear !!! But from all my years of having bikes that maybe had a broken Kickstarter or a electronic starter but no battery!!! The bump start method works but not when you stall out some place getting a rolling start is not going to be an option at all because to even moving the bike is to place that's going to be the point you will have to recover it from let alone start it can make a kick start evaluable thing that some non knowing designer has no earthly clue about why that should be a fail safe final redundancy option !!! I'm glad my CR500 with the one off special mods nobody else has a clue about can easily smoke that 300 CAN and that's on my zero dollar Budget!!! If I had the funds to do what I already am doing better believe two stokes ain't never going away and that's taking in the consideration for being environmentally Green and correct !!! I'm almost positive my bike right now breaths cleaner then most four strokes !!! Ever hear of Stratified Fuel charge not a new concept by any means but definitely a game changer and that's only one mod I've incorporated in my whip !!! Don't get me started on the oils and fuel blends that really optimize performance and emissions!!!!
Every 2 stroke enduro model should come with kickstart even if it’s got electric start. Rieju MR 300 PRO is a complete enduro bike imho, you’re mileage may vary 👍🏻
I’m not a good enough rider to say, but coming from an average, woods rider I not only think it’s beautiful, but sure seems like they didn’t mess around on this build. Yamaha would not tie their name to it if it was half azz.
There is no logical reason to keep this bike out of the US market. Yamaha is being really stupid. There is a huge group of US riders that would buy this bike.
Having a kickstart is a great option if the battery dies instead of having to bump start it. I could care less about kickstart weight. I’m plenty heavy.
Should be an amazing bike, but would its characteristics fit the Hard Enduro scene? This bike and engine were developed in conjunction with their EnduroGP team and similar to TM, it might be a cross-country/woods weapon, but less so for Hard Enduro. What do you think? Still, I love Yamaha and given that Motori Minarelli spent 18 years under the Yamaha umbrella, I have no doubt that quality and reliability will persist.
That is correct, Minarelli used to be part of Yamaha and was sold in its entirety to Fantic. I am not doubting that this is an amazing bike, but the engine is 100% Minarelli.
Needs to have a kickstart as the prototype did. Not keen on oil injection either prefer mixed as failure proof. Had a 17 CRF450R that luckily had both as blew a fuse second ride. Location of it wasn't even in the manual. Maybe if they do a Mx version it will be different
Разве Sherco были первые с электронным мощностным клапаном? А как же Yamaha Lanza? У неё уже был и электронной мощностной клапан и задатки антипробуксовочной системы, начало выпуска с 1997 года.
@claudiotavares3369 fantic announces this 2 months after a bring home a 2023 yami, im not disgruntled with my purchase but damnit i couldve had the best motor ever made with fuel injection and electric start, might have to make a trade in lol
@@Ihcdt857jhsrtboh for sure, yamaha doesn't even have very much to do with the engine itself, on the minarelli site the engine looks real close to a yamaha on the clutch side but thats really the only similarities they share, but considering its the yamaha frame i imagine bolt pattern is the same so if you can manage to get a crate motor from minarelli, it would most likely be a better option (abiet more expensive) 300 kit than any of the cheap garbage being pushed today
Looks amazing, I love it but WHY oh WHY are all new bikes sky scraper high and getting higher at the rear! All the test riders are 6ft plus, my little legs (5,7) simply wouldn’t work for me that’s my biggest stuggle
I'm thinking the same thing, there's a whole market for Riders that are between 5 ft and 5 ft 7. But no bikes for them unless you go kids bikes. If you're shorter, it's okay to have less suspension travel and even smaller Wheels but you still need as much power to be able to ride the bike on the freeway if it's a dual sport. Why doesn't anyone make anything like this? They can think of it this way, just the typical modern tall rider and motorcycle and shrink it 15%. That would scale everything down to a size that would be comfortable for riders in the low to mid 5-foot range.
@@7x779 beta 300 x trainer is 15% smaller but the forks suck and ergos are weird I’ve bought the regular 300 RR and had added a spacer to the shock which translates to 30mm at the seats but I’ve lost that initial cushion I don’t rate the suspension good at all vs WP stuff so selling for a 300tpi
Yes the Ooo how much does it Weigh euro marketing and euro bikes are to thank for no kickstart on modern bikes. Kickstart is a great feature for a bike simply put when a battery fails or in Ktmhuskagas case of failure that is all to common you can kick it until you have the money to pay a exorbitant amount to have new one installed. Pretty sure ktm staters still need the bush upgrade for reliable 100 hr plus reliability . fantic 300 yeah baby .
L' iniezione del carburante serve solo a complicare il progetto e a rendere + costosa la moto. L'analogia del carburatore sarà sempre superiore all'iniezione digitale.
Please do more research. Or at least accurate research your videos are nice but I don't know where you get your facts but more often than not your not saying accurate facts.
As a Yamaha fan, and a KTM 300cc rider I can say that it is a shame that Yamaha does not invest in the production of a proper 300cc enduro bike. The YZ engine without a counter balance shaft will never be the same level as the engine on other enduro bikes even the Beta has a counter balance shaft. If you race 5.6 hour hard enduro races you know the difference...
Yamaha has invested in a 300cc machine as they are directly tied to Fantic financially. Also, I'm sick of the counter balancer crap. GasGas (yes, the real Spanish GG!) had counter balancers in their two strokes almost two decades before KTM and everybody said it wasn't needed, just added more crap and weight to the bike, so they did away with it. Then, as soon as KTM comes out with a CB engine it is somehow the best thing since sliced bread! Give me freakin a break.
@@WildAzzRacingi can only agree with all you said
@@WildAzzRacingI ride a real gasgas 2002 ec 250 😊
YZ 250 was never designed to be an enduro bike. The YZ was a motocross bike, yes many were used in the trail and it was the electric starter that made KTM the winning bikes they are today. If the CR250 or YZ250 was first with an electic start we'd be having totally different conversations.
KTM was the first to bring the electric starter to 2 stoke world, the rest is just more icing on the cake
I cant wait to rest ride it. No motorcycle should ever cancel the kickstart even to save weight. If you have two ways to start the bike, it’s never a bad option.
Totally. I want a kickstart on all motorcycles that I own.
After owning my KTM 250xc for 2 years i dont miss a kickstart. Electric start has been flawless. I want one these Fantic bikes, not sure if they are coming to US though
Stick with KTM 250 & 300 2-strokes. Or go with Husqvarna or GasGas smokers as they're all under the KTM banner. Sure the Fantic looks ok but will it be easy to get parts for? I've never had a problem with my old 2011 KTM-300xc with e-start. Think before you buy please. I've been looking at the 2024 Husqvarna fe-501s for a good street legal "albeit' 4- stroke but still a very nice bike!
@@jeff40 i really want a good street legal bike too. Ill most likely be staying under the KTM umbrella, my current bike is just too good not to.
Everything the YZ needs to have upgraded to be relevant. 😎
Most of the hometown working man a class and pros race them if they are buying. Only us older guys need the magic button
@@woodysrockspyro6436not for hard enduro. You’d see a lot more if they were electric start and in a 300
Pienso lo mismo desde hace tiempo 👍🏻
Hace tiempo que las 2T NO están muriendo.
Solo las japonesas piensan eso, que además son las marcas que menos invierten en desarrollo 🤷🏻♂️
En general las marcas europeas siguen al mercado que ama más que nunca el 2T
Saludos
@@woodysrockspyro6436 Only 2% of people ride the YZ in Hawaii, not enough lug. Having to kickstart these relics over and over takes away so much of your energy. It's shocking when you pay attention to it. But this is real hard enduro territory. For more open stuff where you can scream it and not stall very often, I'm sure they are great.
Keep 2 strokes alive ❤
Amen Brother on that one.👍 2 Strokes RULE 4 stroke drool !!!! 💗🤣👍😎🤘
Kick start for sure!!!!!!!!!!!!
It’s actually a TBI bike. Looking at the engine pics - both injectors are in the top of the throttle body.
What may look like a TPI type injector - is actually a crankcase pressure sensor.
Does the bike come with the babe sitting on top? She Italian? If so I’m in. 😂 Also that starter location is choice! ❤
I want one so bad, I can taste it. Besides, all of my off-road riding gear is red, white, and black. Already a match. 😄
Best of luck getting parts
Very cool. But I can buy a Rieju in the states. And it comes with a kick starter AND electric start.
What makes the yz a yz is how simple it is, I’ve honestly racked my brain over this for weeks comparing the yz to a ktm and the only thing I would tell Yamaha to upgrade the engine slightly but keep the kickstart and carb
Small correction:
This engine it's NOT direct injection.
At best, transfer port injection.
A damn shame how Japan for the most part (Honda, Kawasaki & Suzuki) turned it's back on the humble 2 strokes.
Thank you #KTM and all other who didn't abandon it and actually made it better. 👌😊👍
Bring back the DT-125R
You combine the greatest of all Yamaha and the Italians you have the greatest motorcycle ever made. Now let's get a new 125 Motocross with the morelli motor
Why no kickstart? Because it is utterly pointless on an injected bike. If battery doesn't have enough juice to start the engine, in practical terms it won't have enough to power fuel pump and injectors.
Yamaha actually said that fantik was not allowed to sell those bikes in the United States for a certain amount of years and I believe it was up to 7 years but there's always workarounds.
This 300 engine is not made by Yamaha, so I don't think it's subject to that restriction.
Bring it to the US and we will buy this bike 👍
It’s here I heard 🤷🏻♂️
A dream bike
I would love to see it in the US, even in Yamaha blue!
Could be the bike that bans the KTM 2023 exc Tpi out of my garage. Will definitely testride this bike
The KTM TBI bikes are a step up from TPI. I have 2 of them
Yes the kick start option should always be available as a dead or failing battery can make this a desirable thing !!! Of course you can just bump start by getting a rolling start and dumping the clutch bike in a second or third gear !!! But from all my years of having bikes that maybe had a broken Kickstarter or a electronic starter but no battery!!! The bump start method works but not when you stall out some place getting a rolling start is not going to be an option at all because to even moving the bike is to place that's going to be the point you will have to recover it from let alone start it can make a kick start evaluable thing that some non knowing designer has no earthly clue about why that should be a fail safe final redundancy option !!! I'm glad my CR500 with the one off special mods nobody else has a clue about can easily smoke that 300 CAN and that's on my zero dollar Budget!!! If I had the funds to do what I already am doing better believe two stokes ain't never going away and that's taking in the consideration for being environmentally Green and correct !!! I'm almost positive my bike right now breaths cleaner then most four strokes !!! Ever hear of Stratified Fuel charge not a new concept by any means but definitely a game changer and that's only one mod I've incorporated in my whip !!! Don't get me started on the oils and fuel blends that really optimize performance and emissions!!!!
prefer Yamaha blue apart from that its got everything i want.
Every 2 stroke enduro model should come with kickstart even if it’s got electric start. Rieju MR 300 PRO is a complete enduro bike imho, you’re mileage may vary 👍🏻
We want Fantic in the USA with a respectable number of dealers. Sooner is better than later.
I’m not a good enough rider to say, but coming from an average, woods rider I not only think it’s beautiful, but sure seems like they didn’t mess around on this build.
Yamaha would not tie their name to it if it was half azz.
There is no logical reason to keep this bike out of the US market. Yamaha is being really stupid. There is a huge group of US riders that would buy this bike.
Can’t wait to trike one of these! 😉
日本でもヤマハエンジンのファンテックが販売されると注目されると思います。
I think it will attract attention if the Yamaha engine Fantic goes on sale in Japan as well.
Common! I cant believe they don’t make the add on kickstart components. You can add kickstart on all the ktms.
Having a kickstart is a great option if the battery dies instead of having to bump start it. I could care less about kickstart weight. I’m plenty heavy.
When will it be available in the USA?
Should be an amazing bike, but would its characteristics fit the Hard Enduro scene? This bike and engine were developed in conjunction with their EnduroGP team and similar to TM, it might be a cross-country/woods weapon, but less so for Hard Enduro. What do you think?
Still, I love Yamaha and given that Motori Minarelli spent 18 years under the Yamaha umbrella, I have no doubt that quality and reliability will persist.
Hopefully they will be selling in t USA with a kick start also !!!❤ It
Fantic is not a Minarelli partner. Fantic is Minarelli owner and this engine has nothing to do with Yama!
That is correct, Minarelli used to be part of Yamaha and was sold in its entirety to Fantic. I am not doubting that this is an amazing bike, but the engine is 100% Minarelli.
@@AntiStressKit Minarelli started to develope the 300 cc Engine under Fantic dutch Eng. Ian Witteveen control. A Guru of 2stroke engines.
@@gigiholshot tank you for sharing. I am very much looking forward to throwing my leg over one of those Fantics soon
Lol Minarelli is owned by yamaha
@@DBolt-xb7sg This is partially correct. Yamaha owned Motori Minarelli unitl 2020, at that time Fantic Motor acquired 100% of the shares from Yamaha
my dream bike
Yes
Needs to have a kickstart as the prototype did. Not keen on oil injection either prefer mixed as failure proof. Had a 17 CRF450R that luckily had both as blew a fuse second ride. Location of it wasn't even in the manual. Maybe if they do a Mx version it will be different
All yam parts fit on the 125 xe fantic 😊
counter balancer to reduce vibrations? and why 5 gears and no wide ratio?
Разве Sherco были первые с электронным мощностным клапаном? А как же Yamaha Lanza? У неё уже был и электронной мощностной клапан и задатки антипробуксовочной системы, начало выпуска с 1997 года.
This bike should be a home run
Now my question is, will i be able to frankenstien my yz250 with fantic parts,
I'm thinking the same😂
@claudiotavares3369 fantic announces this 2 months after a bring home a 2023 yami, im not disgruntled with my purchase but damnit i couldve had the best motor ever made with fuel injection and electric start, might have to make a trade in lol
@@lainesnaychuk2719i bought a 23 250x also then saw this 🤦🏻♂️ oh well probably has problems like all the rest
@@Ihcdt857jhsrtboh for sure, yamaha doesn't even have very much to do with the engine itself, on the minarelli site the engine looks real close to a yamaha on the clutch side but thats really the only similarities they share, but considering its the yamaha frame i imagine bolt pattern is the same so if you can manage to get a crate motor from minarelli, it would most likely be a better option (abiet more expensive) 300 kit than any of the cheap garbage being pushed today
Will if be available in the USA
yamaha had electric power valve in 80s on rd 350 ypvs
I want one !!
I want a frantic
Add me to the list of riders who will not buy a bike that doesn't have a kick starter or at least the option of installing one.
It's not a Yamaha, it's not a YZ, it's a Minerelli, which Fantics owned since 2020, all this clickbait about a YZ 300 isn't true.
I would buy one
Didn't Honda come out with e powervalve 1st?
I want one. What countries will it be for sale in ?
Looks amazing, I love it but WHY oh WHY are all new bikes sky scraper high and getting higher at the rear! All the test riders are 6ft plus, my little legs (5,7) simply wouldn’t work for me that’s my biggest stuggle
I'm thinking the same thing, there's a whole market for Riders that are between 5 ft and 5 ft 7. But no bikes for them unless you go kids bikes. If you're shorter, it's okay to have less suspension travel and even smaller Wheels but you still need as much power to be able to ride the bike on the freeway if it's a dual sport. Why doesn't anyone make anything like this?
They can think of it this way, just the typical modern tall rider and motorcycle and shrink it 15%.
That would scale everything down to a size that would be comfortable for riders in the low to mid 5-foot range.
@@7x779 beta 300 x trainer is 15% smaller but the forks suck and ergos are weird I’ve bought the regular 300 RR and had added a spacer to the shock which translates to 30mm at the seats but I’ve lost that initial cushion I don’t rate the suspension good at all vs WP stuff so selling for a 300tpi
@@7x779 I agree bud
anybody knows when they come???
I want one.
not big on looks, but very cool bike imho
I want one
If it comes with a Title I’ll buy one, otherwise I find no use for it.
From my experience cable clutches are far superior
And price??
I want one 🇺🇸
And of coarse, Australia will never see one...
Not avail on usa
Yes the Ooo how much does it Weigh euro marketing and euro bikes are to thank for no kickstart on modern bikes. Kickstart is a great feature for a bike simply put when a battery fails or in Ktmhuskagas case of failure that is all to common you can kick it until you have the money to pay a exorbitant amount to have new one installed. Pretty sure ktm staters still need the bush upgrade for reliable 100 hr plus reliability . fantic 300 yeah baby .
L' iniezione del carburante serve solo a complicare il progetto e a rendere + costosa la moto. L'analogia del carburatore sarà sempre superiore all'iniezione digitale.
Agreed…superior in every area except performance and ease of use.
ma va va
I'd take her instead.❤
Not Yamaha engine so what reliabilty are u talking about?
I had a Fiat once.
Watch this thing f@&# ktm’s little red wagon 😎
😮😮😮😮😮🎉🎉🎉🎉
It's really not cool to deduce that it's a Yamaha 😪
Is thus AI?
talk about showing up late to the party
NOT AVAILABLE IN THE U.S...
BOOOOOO
Yet..
LOL has no idea
Please do more research. Or at least accurate research your videos are nice but I don't know where you get your facts but more often than not your not saying accurate facts.
Thank god ktm is keeping the 2 stoke. But this looks dope