Matt, how about a show going over the mechanical design and planning of a high construction like this one ? Would be nice to see the drawings for this job . Thanks
@@nmatthew7469 yes his are nice. Still a little overboard. Hybrid hot water heater and a variable speed a/c seems good enough. Jordan smith had a video today about rigid vs flex duct and about the cost vs reward. This kind of stuff is so over the top because someone said "We can do it". Which doesnt mean you should.
Large houses require commercial level HVAC systems and contractors who do commercial grade work. Nice job Fred! Congratulate your mechanical contractor and his crew. I did commercial HVAC service for 40 years and appreciate a well laid out mechanical room.
The beauty of energy efficient homes is simplicity. I'm currently building a net zero 1500 SQ FT home with a 600 SQ FT suite on top of the 24' X 24' garage. Radiant baseboard heaters and Panasonic HRV's in the suite and home. Winter is arrived up here in Canukistan and the main part of the house is currently being heated with a 1500 watt space heater while we are building the solid wood kitchen on site in the garage which is heated with a 750 watt heater. The only 2 things that could break down are the HRV's. 14" cellulose filled walls and triple pane windows are proving to be a worth while investment
That bloody mechanical room _alone_ probably cost the homeowner more than my entire house and property ($50k US). That said, if I was able to build _MY_ dream home, I want that mechanical contractor and plumbing contractor. Gorgeous work!
that mechanical room plus the things it are touching are over 100k. Multiple ground source heat pumps. 3 boilers. Hydronic heating... if you count there solar battery, i bet it is closer to 150k
@@av1204 I’d say close to 150k. I have about 100k into my HVAC room, and this one is slightly better. There are more homes than you think with rooms like this. I’ve toured a few that are substantially more impressive. Edit: finished watching the video and saw that room also includes electrical. So yeah, 150k. Speaking from experience, Lutron panels run about 20k each.
@@HybridWoodworks yes i looked into the panels and they are cool just not needed. You can buy one of the energy meters that tells you what is on via bluetooth and sensors. Why was your room so much? What in it in your view justified the cost?
@@av1204 My Lutron panels are for the lighting control system. Every light in the house is a home run back to the panels. There are no switches to control lights. Everything is done by a customized keypad in each room. Signals are sent to the panel computer to turn each lighting zone on or off and to the desired brightness. You can search for Lutron Homework’s QS for more details. As far as the mechanicals go, I have two 3 ton Carrier Greenspeed Infinity heat pumps. They are inverter driven, true variable speed units. Indoor fan units are variable speed as well. A Triangle Tube mod con boiler heats domestic hot water in a stainless tank, heats a second buffer tank to supply the whole house radiant floor heat, and supports the hydronic coils in the air handler on extra cold days. Every plumbing fixture has its own hot and cold water line off custom copper manifolds. Gas lines are also separate with a manifold. Dual steam generators with reverse osmosis feeds keep the humidity up in the winter, and Ultra Aire dehumidifiers keep it low in the spring, summer, and fall. A Carrier ERV provides air exchange, and dual Carrier Infinity MERV 15 electronic cleaners filter the air. All the plumbing is sweat copper, and all HVAC ducts are hard pipe right to the vents. Fully insulated. Zero flex duct was used. House is 4200 sq ft for reference. I’m around 150k once you factor in the lighting control. Hope this helps.
@@HybridWoodworks Just really interesting to me. I have a 2800 sq foot ICF ranch home with spray foam at the roof line. Extreme air tight. All managed and built by me and my wife. Finished it 4 months ago. I did my own mechanical room. We have a 20 seer a/c heat pump that is inverter driven. Zoned dampers controlled by honeywell. Only 3 ton for whole house. We have an aprilaire make up system and dehumidifier. Have a hybrid hot water heater. Regular propane boiler for hydronic floors. Entire mechanical room was just under 20k. If counting the solar around 36k. Grant it we used a regular 200 amp service electric box.
The houses might be a but more than what the average joe can afford, but it's the systems installed that he's really highlighting. And most can afford to put some spare change together to get a more efficient home. If you're well informed paying a bit more early on pays off in the long run. And usually it's the wealthy that pay to be informed of the most up to date systems. If it wasn't for them we might not get to see it.
@@tnwagn that's no longer a home, but a mansion. Or at least a McMansion. Then again, houses these days have a lot more outlets than they used to, and the NEC rules about how many duplex outlets you can daisy chain together haven't changed in a good long while, so you're going to need more circuits, which then each have to be rated at 15A each minimum, and that would add up pretty quick I guess. Lighting circuits have had a decreasing trend in current draw, with an increase in the number of actual light fittings. As far as I know the building codes haven't fully caught up with the recent (less than 10y ago) trends and advances in LED lights instead of fluorescent or incandescent lighting resulting in ever decreasing electrical loads from such devices, so the old rules about maximum number of fixtures per circuit remain. While there might be a lot of circuits for that, they don't draw all that much current. Yet the building code requires lighting circuits to have a certain minimum amperage per circuit, a hold-over from the days of incandescent lighting. What I'm trying to say is that while the ACTUAL current drawn by lighting fixtures in a newly built house with LED lighting is rather low, the circuits will almost certainly still have to have its load calculations done as if the bulbs were incandescent, meaning they are significantly oversized for the job they actually do. Still that would drive up the number of circuits, and with each circuit having some number of minimum amps, that would indeed also increase the service amps required for a certain size house. Of course, we're still talking about a rather large house, and for one that's not even occupied the entire year 600A is kinda crazy. I've never really understood the need to own multiple homes, to be quite honest, then again my parents, myself, and my grandparents are all firmly lower-middle class if we're judging things purely on gross income.
my ex boss's "friend" was forced to run a 400a service instead of 200a because he had 3 air conditioners, since the connected load was over whatever % they wanted.
We now have LED lights everywhere, OLED TV, iPads and laptops instead of desktops. I don’t think we use more than 20 amps at a time, maybe a bit more with on occasional hairdryer or so. The only thing which needs more is the AC, but that’s it. “Modern houses needs more electricity” is a bullshit, an obsolete phrase from 2 decades ago. But electric cars are coming, so we will need that extra soon.
@@juzoli Yeah maybe if you sit inside and twittle your thumbs all day. I have welders, run AC, home servers, dektops because laptops are shit, electric stoves, dryers, water heaters. Houses use WAYYYYY more power than they used too
Matt, how about another show going over the electrical design and planning of a high construction like this one ? Would be nice to see the drawings for this job .
native long islander with 35 years of HVAC work a lot of it out on the east end. I could ID the locations from the bay views but won't give your spots away. if you want to see a uber home with crazy mechanicals the Fairfield Pond compound deserves a google search. I worked there for years and the main building has a basement mechanical room spanning the entire house. it's all mech and storage like a bunker. crazy stuff and worth looking up.
@@jacksak yes. it's got 3 million BTU's of condensing boilers and a chiller plant & cooling tower. everything is served by commercial VFD driven air handlers controlled by an Andover system.
@@Militaristics Who said money can't buy happiness? As Denzel Washington said, "Money doesn't buy happiness. But, some people say it's a heck of a down payment."
I’ve looking into emergency traps that could get plumbed into a sanitary line and a lot of old guys use water + a few tablespoons of mineral oil to fill the trap. Doesn’t gum up and if there is a water event it flows well. No more dry traps!
@@sundeeptalwar For residential, check out WaterFurnace Series 7, now available in a package a split. More expensive than a 2 stage Series 5, but can run as at very low level to maximize efficiency, up to 41 EER for the package unit. So no blast of heat or cold, but instead constant heating or cooling with very even temps. I had a Series split put in last year, it's pretty magical, especially with AC.
Imagine a phone conversation with your wife while you’re away, simply trying to shut off a valve.....”baby, you’ll need to turn the yellow shut-off lever into the perpendicular position to turn off that leak.” Inevitable response: “there are 72 yellow shut-off levers down here!!!” This room is simply brilliant though. All of us can dream.
I'm an architect and it kills me sometimes half of the amazing houses we do are not occupied year-round, people with money for these custom homes tend to have multiple of them
It kills you that people with money spend it? If you had multiples of these kind of homes would you give them up for the homeless or something delinquent like that? Blow it like the wind, after all, we are all just sand particles in the sands of time. We should try to put ourselves in the minds of others to "Blow it like the wind". ~Cheers~ May the wind fill your sails. Just B.
Good evening Matt, This mechanical room and the engineering that went into it, is a work of art. What a tremendous job the HVAC contractor did, as did the brothers. Thank you for showing us this project, it is beautiful.
I am using my wifes' youtube.. i do geothermal hvac. 8, 300 foot wells.. good size for sure and it's definitely a well designed and installed mechanical room. I'm on a 30000 sq foot home now with 60 tons of HVAC..21 geothermal units. 40 wells at 400 feet each. drilling alone is over $100,000 . I think it might be the most expensive mechanical room lol.
Glad to see you out on Long Island and thanks for showing us a good builder. So many are hacks and criminals it’s nice to see a company that takes pride in their work. I would love to see one of your videos about how to handle building envelope and roof insulation here in the north east.
I'm not complaining but...I used to watch another show about Old Houses that slowly became about Super Expensive Restorations of Old Houses. This is reminding me of homes out of touch with most home buyers. I guess Matt hasn't been inside a University engineering or chemistry building to see AWESOME mechanical rooms (I have...let me tell you that some contractors fed their families for years on those contracts). Still, I highly doubt the home owner will know what to do when a leak or valve fails other than to call someone. Again, not complaining as I've done minor plumbing/heating work and that setup there is amazing.
I installed Insulated AL pex tube in Europe over there we use sleeves with detached connections if you need to replace it you are able to disconnect it at the manifold distributor box and install a new tube! Same thing with electrical wire it’s installed inside plastic sleeves only the sleeves are secured not the wire!
To keep the water in a drain from evaporating, pour a little vegetable oil on top. the oil is lighter and floats on top, sealing off the evaporation of the water.
Really nice mechanical room. Currently building a custom home and have a pretty sizeable mechanical room as well and amazed at everything going on every time I walk in there.
There is a divide line, gross opulence and practicality......then frugality. For every gross opulent house built there are a 100 practical houses built and 10 frugal houses. Those opulent houses would have to be 100 times more efficient than they are to equal the practices applied to a normal house. I am at the other end of the spectrum,...trim the absurdity........good building science does not have to accompany gross opulence. Frugal design combined with good building science, coupled with a lack of absurdity equals good value.
We are building an 1800 square foot passive solar house and our goal was to keep the mechanicals as simple as possible. We have three minisplits without ductwork, an on demand hot water heater and an electrical box for our mechanicals. I guess we will not be featured on the build show anytime soon.
Well on the plus side, they did choose some very very efficient units to place in that quite over-specified mechanical room. It's like they never heard of controlling more than one zone using a single air handler or something by using motorized dampers, instead each time they wanted another zone they just put in another split unit instead of using perhaps half as many air handlers of slightly larger size (probably able to squeeze out some better efficiency there), more ducting, and a controller to handle which zone gets what. I mean I guess it's possible that one of those zones might need heat while the other needs cooling, but that can't be the case for the entire house, there's gotta be some way to reduce the number of air handlers and associated compressors. And how long are those split units going to last anyways before something leaks refrigerant or geothermal water? One small saving grace I can see is that I can tell some consideration was given to how you are supposed to service any one of those units without having to tear down the entire mechanical room simply to make room to move things around as needed. In short, maybe this one is less gross opulence (tho that's a factor) and more straight absurdity. I mean 600A electrical service? You could run a building big enough to house 20 people off that much electricity!
Excellent job. Clean and great design worth every penny that's for sure and also circulation pumps love the layout. Little tight but a good plumber should get pipes and fittings replaced without leaving a big mess behind down the road. Only one thing is speaking to me we missing there..... All this work but I like to see a water faucet and a garden hose in there so you can hook up also to a drain to the outside from the room within with like a 90 degree turn valve so you can drain pipes without leaving a wet mess inside of the room. And I hope the floor get's a water sealed epoxy coated tube like 3" deep in case of a water spill it doesn't run out of the room instead a water alarm sensor get's triggered. I done that to my house in Germany and it safed myself from my basement been flooded because the alarm went off when a pressure tank bladder failed and all the water was leaking onto the floor. Things you never think about but owning the house for over 20 years now also made me rethink what I as a CGC put into houses to date for my customers.
I worked for the gas utility in St Louis ,Missouri for 35 years & 10 of those 35 I worked in Ladue, Missouri. Ladue is the most affluent municipality in the state of Missouri and I would say in the top 10 of the country. When it comes to mechanical rooms this is a nice one but when it comes to billionaires this one is average at best. Let me give you a list of gas equipment I might find in an above-average mechanical room> 750, 000 BTU boiler just to back up the geothermal heat pumps, 2 400,000 BTU pool heaters ( one for the indoor pool and one for the Lazy River around the indoor pool), 4 Rinnai tankless water heaters (200,000 BTUs each) & this is just gas equipment in the mechanical room. Let's step out of the mechanical room, 19 gas fireplaces (45,000 BTUs each) , 2 large stainless steel Viking gas ranges ( one for the Main Kitchen and one for the caters kitchen ). Now let's step outside , one large stainless steel gas grill & gas wok in the patio kitchen, 1 gas fire pit, 4 patio heaters , 1 pool heater for the outside pool (this one is only 250,000 BTUs & they do close it in the winter time), 2 Generac natural gas backup generators ( both of them with the big Ford V10 engines) . Oh we're not done yet, let us step over to the limousine garages with the apartment about it , for live-in help ( driver / whatever the hell they need next person). 2 100,000 BTU unit heaters to keep the garage toasty warm, 1 gas furnace for the apt. 80,000 BTUs & 1 regular gas range like you and I would have. I almost forgot about the heated shirts that come out of this guy's wardrobe, but I'm sorry to say that unit was Electric. After 10years of twisting big pipe ,big meter sets & 2lb systems, I decided to transfer out to Chesterfield , Missouri with just normal millionaires. The funny thing is I finished the last two years of my career before retiring back in the inner-city where I started, relocating gas meters outside for infrastructure upgrades just because I was looking to do something different.
Beautiful mechanical room I love sweating copper. I would love to work on homes like that and add my own personal touchs😁. Personally I dont like the home run system I did it with my home and I don't like it. I would stick with the traditional trunk and branch system or the upunor manifold Tee system with a recirculating system to have nearly instant hot. Keep the mechanical rooms coming
Matt, how would you suggest running the Uponor PEX in a new home? Would it be smart to run the cold supplies from a manifold so it's a home run application (less fittings), but then for hot water supply use a trunk/branch system so there is a hot water loop for quick supply of hot water? I plan on using a Navien tankless with a built-in recirculation pump. What do you think? How would you do it at your new home?
Jesus! 600amps!! With propane also on the WH’s. I thought my 400 amp service to my house was a lot. That power bill could run more then a mortgage payment on a bad month with that much power.
Matt, I'm a new subscriber and have enjoyed all of your videos. Since you and I love mechanical rooms, I'd like to suggest you visit the Biltmore House in Asheville NC. This is a mechanical room designed and built in 1898 to 1900! I think you would enjoy the tour.
5:04 Or the Midwest. An ice storm knocked out my power for the past two weeks! Just got it hooked back up. My car and 1000W inverter became my backup battery and generator.
I am so thankful I live in a climate that renders 90% of that stuff unnecessary. I do like the plumbing runs that allow each end use point to be isolated if needed.
Do you have the leak protected PEX pipes in the US? In Finland, home of Uponor, we have a second flexible pipe around the PEX. The pipes are all "home run" and the outer pipe is open in both ends, hence a potential leak is captured by the outer pipe and leaking water gets noticed in the mechanical room. This is by code mandatory. Especially in recreational houses this could be a nice high end option for you as well?
Cool room! Nice work. I would tie in the drain to the main system then fill the trap with light oil. Won’t evaporate, stops odours and gets easily displaced in case of use.
Most building codes in Massachusetts don’t allow for that and I assume New York is the same. If your on septic it’s your own call but I assume the fear would be contamination of the leech field. In this case it looks as though it’s only in case a water pipe let’s go. But a heavy enough leak could overwhelm the system. I’d probably opt for an automated leak arrester in conjunction with a drain or sump pump.
Would hate to be a repairman 25 years from now trying to figure out what feeds what that powers here that pumps this that then drives that. And that the current owner has kept the original plans in a safe place and in good shape. And if so, as few as possible alterations or retrofits have been made.
I did see one major issue. The flue gas venting systems are using what looked like a dwv or sch40 pvc pipe. That is no longer acceptable in most circumstances depending on where this is at either a 1738 or 636 Ipex system should of been used or duravent!
It wasn’t clear if the geo was also heating the domestic water? I just finished a house in Minnesota with 11 loops buried 12-15 feet deep that heats the water too. It will be interesting to see how much propane we actually use this winter.
People who can afford homes like this worrying about how much energy their cable box draws when not in use seems a little ridiculous, but God bless him for being a successful builder. I have a neighbor who spells their last name the same way except the "i" is hard and the "e" soft, being a builder by the sea maybe they changed it the pronunciation.
No, you just have to build in the Hamptons where pockets run deep and expect a level of service that can't be found in day to day life. It's where the uber rich of Manhattan hang out for the summer (or year round now due to Corona).
Going to be awesome when service panels like that become more normal vs high end. It would be really cool to be able to monitor and control usage with such high granularity.
Just depends on WHO is doing the monitoring and controlling, big brother has been getting more and more intrusive everyday, IMHO it's not the power company's or the government's business when I wash dishes or clothes. 😉🇺🇸
How long are the home runs on the manifolds Matt? I thought you mentioned in an earlier video that individual home runs are less efficient in larger homes - how much water is wasted to bring hot water to the destination?
What a fuckin nightmare. Can you imagine an ordinary homeowner trying to diagnose and repair any of this mess? How about starting from a more practical place and building a house that requires almost no energy input for heating and cooling. Simple is SO much more elegant.
Looks like a long wait for hot water in some parts of the house and a missed opportunity not to capture waste heat from the GSHPs to heat water. These were priority items in my current house.
I'll gladly pay up front for a house that pays for itself in utility savings over time. My goal is for the most expensive bill in my home to be the cable bill by a large margin, and the way the cable companies want things to go that's just getting easier and easier to achieve because that cable bill keeps going up and up.
I feel like most houses I've lived in have a mechanical room. Not ones like this of course, but where I live most buildings have basements, so it's easy to keep the mechanicals away from the living space.
Matt, how about a show going over the mechanical design and planning of a high construction like this one ?
Would be nice to see the drawings for this job .
Thanks
not occupied all year long... mechanical room cost more than my house.
LOL
Prefer the mechanical rooms that engineer 775 is doing.
@@nmatthew7469 yes his are nice. Still a little overboard. Hybrid hot water heater and a variable speed a/c seems good enough. Jordan smith had a video today about rigid vs flex duct and about the cost vs reward. This kind of stuff is so over the top because someone said "We can do it". Which doesnt mean you should.
This house is probably in the Hamptons. Those people make more money in a year than you’ll make in a lifetime
You need a better CPA
Large houses require commercial level HVAC systems and contractors who do commercial grade work. Nice job Fred! Congratulate your mechanical contractor and his crew. I did commercial HVAC service for 40 years and appreciate a well laid out mechanical room.
8x300ft wells. Good god. The only thing deeper are the owners pockets.
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Did you say "VCR" lol, talking about all this new tech and you bring up a vcr, that's funny lol
Was thinking the same thing. Be kind, please rewind.
I know VCRs are old, but drawing 300 watts at idle is a lot! 🤪
A VCR on a wifi circuit breaker.
Also phantom loads are no longer a thing
He had a Biden moment.
The beauty of energy efficient homes is simplicity. I'm currently building a net zero 1500 SQ FT home with a 600 SQ FT suite on top of the 24' X 24' garage. Radiant baseboard heaters and Panasonic HRV's in the suite and home. Winter is arrived up here in Canukistan and the main part of the house is currently being heated with a 1500 watt space heater while we are building the solid wood kitchen on site in the garage which is heated with a 750 watt heater. The only 2 things that could break down are the HRV's. 14" cellulose filled walls and triple pane windows are proving to be a worth while investment
14'' cellulose walls. LOL
You have planned well. May this new home be a blessing as you live in it.
Yes Matt... you should turn off your VCR, and then get something from this century brother🤣
All that modern high-tech gear and you ruin it by saying VCR? 😂😂
Be kind, Rewind!
Shouldn't the pipes be about forehead height? No leaking sewer stack? No light on a pull string?
Right? Plus, it needs some open wire splices wrapped in 50 year-old electrical tape.
That's my house
15 year plumber here. Very impressed with the quality of work.
Well done ✅👍
That bloody mechanical room _alone_ probably cost the homeowner more than my entire house and property ($50k US). That said, if I was able to build _MY_ dream home, I want that mechanical contractor and plumbing contractor. Gorgeous work!
that mechanical room plus the things it are touching are over 100k. Multiple ground source heat pumps. 3 boilers. Hydronic heating... if you count there solar battery, i bet it is closer to 150k
@@av1204 I’d say close to 150k. I have about 100k into my HVAC room, and this one is slightly better. There are more homes than you think with rooms like this. I’ve toured a few that are substantially more impressive.
Edit: finished watching the video and saw that room also includes electrical. So yeah, 150k. Speaking from experience, Lutron panels run about 20k each.
@@HybridWoodworks yes i looked into the panels and they are cool just not needed. You can buy one of the energy meters that tells you what is on via bluetooth and sensors. Why was your room so much? What in it in your view justified the cost?
@@av1204 My Lutron panels are for the lighting control system. Every light in the house is a home run back to the panels. There are no switches to control lights. Everything is done by a customized keypad in each room. Signals are sent to the panel computer to turn each lighting zone on or off and to the desired brightness. You can search for Lutron Homework’s QS for more details.
As far as the mechanicals go, I have two 3 ton Carrier Greenspeed Infinity heat pumps. They are inverter driven, true variable speed units. Indoor fan units are variable speed as well. A Triangle Tube mod con boiler heats domestic hot water in a stainless tank, heats a second buffer tank to supply the whole house radiant floor heat, and supports the hydronic coils in the air handler on extra cold days. Every plumbing fixture has its own hot and cold water line off custom copper manifolds. Gas lines are also separate with a manifold. Dual steam generators with reverse osmosis feeds keep the humidity up in the winter, and Ultra Aire dehumidifiers keep it low in the spring, summer, and fall. A Carrier ERV provides air exchange, and dual Carrier Infinity MERV 15 electronic cleaners filter the air. All the plumbing is sweat copper, and all HVAC ducts are hard pipe right to the vents. Fully insulated. Zero flex duct was used. House is 4200 sq ft for reference. I’m around 150k once you factor in the lighting control. Hope this helps.
@@HybridWoodworks Just really interesting to me. I have a 2800 sq foot ICF ranch home with spray foam at the roof line. Extreme air tight. All managed and built by me and my wife. Finished it 4 months ago. I did my own mechanical room. We have a 20 seer a/c heat pump that is inverter driven. Zoned dampers controlled by honeywell. Only 3 ton for whole house. We have an aprilaire make up system and dehumidifier. Have a hybrid hot water heater. Regular propane boiler for hydronic floors. Entire mechanical room was just under 20k. If counting the solar around 36k. Grant it we used a regular 200 amp service electric box.
Matt has become the modern Bob Villa and This Old House. Show about homes that almost nobody can afford.
The houses might be a but more than what the average joe can afford, but it's the systems installed that he's really highlighting. And most can afford to put some spare change together to get a more efficient home. If you're well informed paying a bit more early on pays off in the long run. And usually it's the wealthy that pay to be informed of the most up to date systems. If it wasn't for them we might not get to see it.
Bob Villa is also a douche
600 amp service... I can't even fathom a home ever needing that much.
600A service on a *secondary* home. Just patently absurd.
@@tnwagn that's no longer a home, but a mansion. Or at least a McMansion.
Then again, houses these days have a lot more outlets than they used to, and the NEC rules about how many duplex outlets you can daisy chain together haven't changed in a good long while, so you're going to need more circuits, which then each have to be rated at 15A each minimum, and that would add up pretty quick I guess.
Lighting circuits have had a decreasing trend in current draw, with an increase in the number of actual light fittings.
As far as I know the building codes haven't fully caught up with the recent (less than 10y ago) trends and advances in LED lights instead of fluorescent or incandescent lighting resulting in ever decreasing electrical loads from such devices, so the old rules about maximum number of fixtures per circuit remain. While there might be a lot of circuits for that, they don't draw all that much current. Yet the building code requires lighting circuits to have a certain minimum amperage per circuit, a hold-over from the days of incandescent lighting.
What I'm trying to say is that while the ACTUAL current drawn by lighting fixtures in a newly built house with LED lighting is rather low, the circuits will almost certainly still have to have its load calculations done as if the bulbs were incandescent, meaning they are significantly oversized for the job they actually do. Still that would drive up the number of circuits, and with each circuit having some number of minimum amps, that would indeed also increase the service amps required for a certain size house.
Of course, we're still talking about a rather large house, and for one that's not even occupied the entire year 600A is kinda crazy.
I've never really understood the need to own multiple homes, to be quite honest, then again my parents, myself, and my grandparents are all firmly lower-middle class if we're judging things purely on gross income.
my ex boss's "friend" was forced to run a 400a service instead of 200a because he had 3 air conditioners, since the connected load was over whatever % they wanted.
We now have LED lights everywhere, OLED TV, iPads and laptops instead of desktops. I don’t think we use more than 20 amps at a time, maybe a bit more with on occasional hairdryer or so.
The only thing which needs more is the AC, but that’s it. “Modern houses needs more electricity” is a bullshit, an obsolete phrase from 2 decades ago.
But electric cars are coming, so we will need that extra soon.
@@juzoli Yeah maybe if you sit inside and twittle your thumbs all day. I have welders, run AC, home servers, dektops because laptops are shit, electric stoves, dryers, water heaters. Houses use WAYYYYY more power than they used too
Matt, how about another show going over the electrical design and planning of a high construction like this one ?
Would be nice to see the drawings for this job .
native long islander with 35 years of HVAC work a lot of it out on the east end. I could ID the locations from the bay views but won't give your spots away. if you want to see a uber home with crazy mechanicals the Fairfield Pond compound deserves a google search. I worked there for years and the main building has a basement mechanical room spanning the entire house. it's all mech and storage like a bunker. crazy stuff and worth looking up.
@Militaristics - Are you talking about Ira Leon Rennert, the American billionaire? If so, I just took a look at his house... more than impressive.
@@jacksak yes. it's got 3 million BTU's of condensing boilers and a chiller plant & cooling tower. everything is served by commercial VFD driven air handlers controlled by an Andover system.
@@Militaristics Who said money can't buy happiness? As Denzel Washington said, "Money doesn't buy happiness. But, some people say it's a heck of a down payment."
@@jacksak Denzel is an arrogant prick.
That Mech is a thing of beauty!!! Matt more Videos like this plz!
What a stunning system and build! Proud that Uponor home water solutions were the perfect fit for both radiant and domestic water systems in the home.
Yeah Uponor! Love to see y’all comment!!!
I’ve looking into emergency traps that could get plumbed into a sanitary line and a lot of old guys use water + a few tablespoons of mineral oil to fill the trap. Doesn’t gum up and if there is a water event it flows well. No more dry traps!
They drilled 8 300’ wells? That cost more than my college education.
Yep and installed a junk brand for geo
@@zack9912000 what brand was it, I couldn’t make it out? What would be a good geo exchanger? I was thinking grundfoss pumps with a veissmann unit?
Figure at least $20 per foot times 2400 feet = $48,000 just in well drilling.
@@sundeeptalwar For residential, check out WaterFurnace Series 7, now available in a package a split. More expensive than a 2 stage Series 5, but can run as at very low level to maximize efficiency, up to 41 EER for the package unit. So no blast of heat or cold, but instead constant heating or cooling with very even temps. I had a Series split put in last year, it's pretty magical, especially with AC.
@@kentrombatore4070 thanks I’ll look into it!!!
Wow! this is what I am dreaming about (for the last 10+ years). Tks for sharing.
OMG!!!! 😳 It’s So Organized!!! 😍🤩🥰🤤
my basement just got depressed
3:13 a drip.
Good eyes. I had to watch it a few times to catch it.
Made Fred Seifert repeated his words twice - Both of them saw the drips.
This guy needs to simplify his shit about 100 fold and maybe focus on making a simple solder.
Damn, wheres Waldo champ ladies and gentlemen
Lol I saw it too
I work for the solar company who installed the solar panels kinda cool to see it on RUclips keep up the good work Matt love the videos
Imagine a phone conversation with your wife while you’re away, simply trying to shut off a valve.....”baby, you’ll need to turn the yellow shut-off lever into the perpendicular position to turn off that leak.” Inevitable response: “there are 72 yellow shut-off levers down here!!!”
This room is simply brilliant though. All of us can dream.
The wife that owns that house, does not go into the mechanical room. She calls a plumber.
@@mruofacat unlikely that she calls a plumber to turn off outdoor spigots in the winter....but her irrigation company might when they winterize. :)
Fun fact: the plumber used to build submarines.
I'm an architect and it kills me sometimes half of the amazing houses we do are not occupied year-round, people with money for these custom homes tend to have multiple of them
It kills you that people with money spend it? If you had multiples of these kind of homes would you give them up for the homeless or something delinquent like that? Blow it like the wind, after all, we are all just sand particles in the sands of time. We should try to put ourselves in the minds of others to "Blow it like the wind". ~Cheers~ May the wind fill your sails. Just B.
This is most of the houses i see being built in my area
I thought the pinnacle of architecture is a stunningly beautiful house that can't be lived in.
At least that's what you see on tours and TV ;-)
And they pay next to nothing in taxes, hmm sounds familiar..
@@Buchoass I think you missed the point.
Straight up mechanical room porn!!! Beautiful room, the copper alone is a work of art. Pride in craftsmanship.
Good evening Matt,
This mechanical room and the engineering that went into it, is a work of art. What a tremendous job the HVAC contractor did, as did the brothers.
Thank you for showing us this project, it is beautiful.
I am using my wifes' youtube.. i do geothermal hvac. 8, 300 foot wells.. good size for sure and it's definitely a well designed and installed mechanical room. I'm on a 30000 sq foot home now with 60 tons of HVAC..21 geothermal units. 40 wells at 400 feet each. drilling alone is over $100,000 . I think it might be the most expensive mechanical room lol.
0:45 Gorgeous! A lot going on, but it is very clean and sharp.
Glad to see you out on Long Island and thanks for showing us a good builder. So many are hacks and criminals it’s nice to see a company that takes pride in their work. I would love to see one of your videos about how to handle building envelope and roof insulation here in the north east.
Nice job here. I could watch mechanical room tour’s daily!!!
I'm not complaining but...I used to watch another show about Old Houses that slowly became about Super Expensive Restorations of Old Houses. This is reminding me of homes out of touch with most home buyers. I guess Matt hasn't been inside a University engineering or chemistry building to see AWESOME mechanical rooms (I have...let me tell you that some contractors fed their families for years on those contracts). Still, I highly doubt the home owner will know what to do when a leak or valve fails other than to call someone. Again, not complaining as I've done minor plumbing/heating work and that setup there is amazing.
My house it 110 years old, and every system is a spiderweb of a century of repairs. All these neat, labeled, organized systems are amazing!
Damn that looks good!... and expensive.
Rofl the sales men at the supply house must love this contractor.. give me 2 of everything you have in stock
I installed Insulated AL pex tube in Europe over there we use sleeves with detached connections if you need to replace it you are able to disconnect it at the manifold distributor box and install a new tube! Same thing with electrical wire it’s installed inside plastic sleeves only the sleeves are secured not the wire!
To keep the water in a drain from evaporating, pour a little vegetable oil on top. the oil is lighter and floats on top, sealing off the evaporation of the water.
Rich people can not do that
Vegetable oil rots and will eventually stink. Use mineral oil.
Really nice mechanical room. Currently building a custom home and have a pretty sizeable mechanical room as well and amazed at everything going on every time I walk in there.
So impressive Fred. Thanks for sharing.
This house will need a full-time stationary engineer to maintain these systems. I am joking - only a little.
All this awesomeness ... in a get away house!!! Almost inconceivable!
There is a divide line, gross opulence and practicality......then frugality. For every gross opulent house built there are a 100 practical houses built and 10 frugal houses. Those opulent houses would have to be 100 times more efficient than they are to equal the practices applied to a normal house.
I am at the other end of the spectrum,...trim the absurdity........good building science does not have to accompany gross opulence.
Frugal design combined with good building science, coupled with a lack of absurdity equals good value.
We are building an 1800 square foot passive solar house and our goal was to keep the mechanicals as simple as possible. We have three minisplits without ductwork, an on demand hot water heater and an electrical box for our mechanicals. I guess we will not be featured on the build show anytime soon.
Well on the plus side, they did choose some very very efficient units to place in that quite over-specified mechanical room.
It's like they never heard of controlling more than one zone using a single air handler or something by using motorized dampers, instead each time they wanted another zone they just put in another split unit instead of using perhaps half as many air handlers of slightly larger size (probably able to squeeze out some better efficiency there), more ducting, and a controller to handle which zone gets what. I mean I guess it's possible that one of those zones might need heat while the other needs cooling, but that can't be the case for the entire house, there's gotta be some way to reduce the number of air handlers and associated compressors. And how long are those split units going to last anyways before something leaks refrigerant or geothermal water? One small saving grace I can see is that I can tell some consideration was given to how you are supposed to service any one of those units without having to tear down the entire mechanical room simply to make room to move things around as needed.
In short, maybe this one is less gross opulence (tho that's a factor) and more straight absurdity. I mean 600A electrical service? You could run a building big enough to house 20 people off that much electricity!
@@44R0Ndin it gets cold in long island during the winter. It takes a lot to heat a house of that size during the winter months on long island.
Hardly opulence. More like bloat.
@@mamabear9389 You should be featured, this is what we should be praising....minimalization, design efficiency, cost effective.
It is probably missing the car elevator machinery
And the pumping system for the on property drydock for their 100ft+ yacht.
600 amps for a house! good lord. lol Matt please do one on the new panel!
Great review Matt! Thank you!
Excellent job. Clean and great design worth every penny that's for sure and also circulation pumps love the layout. Little tight but a good plumber should get pipes and fittings replaced without leaving a big mess behind down the road.
Only one thing is speaking to me we missing there..... All this work but I like to see a water faucet and a garden hose in there so you can hook up also to a drain to the outside from the room within with like a 90 degree turn valve so you can drain pipes without leaving a wet mess inside of the room. And I hope the floor get's a water sealed epoxy coated tube like 3" deep in case of a water spill it doesn't run out of the room instead a water alarm sensor get's triggered. I done that to my house in Germany and it safed myself from my basement been flooded because the alarm went off when a pressure tank bladder failed and all the water was leaking onto the floor. Things you never think about but owning the house for over 20 years now also made me rethink what I as a CGC put into houses to date for my customers.
I’ve built big box commercial retail spaces that don’t have this much into the mechanical
This is overkill for residential.
I have 2 floor drains in my new house. I bought 1 floor drain drip device that keeps water in the 2 P-traps
I worked for the gas utility in St Louis ,Missouri for 35 years & 10 of those 35 I worked in Ladue, Missouri.
Ladue is the most affluent municipality in the state of Missouri and I would say in the top 10 of
the country. When it comes to mechanical rooms this is a nice one but when it comes to billionaires this one is average at best. Let me give you a list of gas equipment I might find in an above-average mechanical room> 750, 000 BTU boiler just to back up the geothermal heat pumps, 2 400,000 BTU pool heaters ( one for the indoor pool and one for the Lazy River around the indoor pool), 4 Rinnai tankless water heaters (200,000 BTUs each) & this is just gas equipment in the mechanical room. Let's step out of the mechanical room, 19 gas fireplaces (45,000 BTUs each) , 2 large stainless steel Viking gas ranges ( one for the Main Kitchen and one for the caters kitchen ). Now let's step outside , one large stainless steel gas grill & gas wok in the patio kitchen, 1 gas fire pit, 4 patio heaters , 1 pool heater for the outside pool (this one is only 250,000 BTUs & they do close it in the winter time), 2 Generac natural gas backup generators ( both of them with the big Ford V10 engines) . Oh we're not done yet, let us step over to the limousine garages with the apartment about it , for live-in help ( driver / whatever the hell they need next person). 2 100,000 BTU unit heaters to keep the garage toasty warm, 1 gas furnace for the apt. 80,000 BTUs & 1 regular gas range like you and I would have. I almost forgot about the heated shirts that come out of this guy's wardrobe, but I'm sorry to say that unit was Electric. After 10years of twisting big pipe ,big meter sets & 2lb systems, I decided to transfer out to Chesterfield , Missouri with just normal millionaires. The funny thing is I finished the last two years of my career before retiring back in the inner-city where I started, relocating gas meters outside for infrastructure upgrades just because I was looking to do something different.
Yeah but this is just a beach cottage.
@@timmacsweet131 , oh yeah I almost forgot😄
Rich Truthie would have a mechagasm in there.
Matt, what are you doing for network and AV in these homes? As a builder are you pulling network cable, speaker wire, ext?
Beautiful mechanical room I love sweating copper. I would love to work on homes like that and add my own personal touchs😁. Personally I dont like the home run system I did it with my home and I don't like it. I would stick with the traditional trunk and branch system or the upunor manifold Tee system with a recirculating system to have nearly instant hot. Keep the mechanical rooms coming
Matt, how would you suggest running the Uponor PEX in a new home? Would it be smart to run the cold supplies from a manifold so it's a home run application (less fittings), but then for hot water supply use a trunk/branch system so there is a hot water loop for quick supply of hot water? I plan on using a Navien tankless with a built-in recirculation pump. What do you think? How would you do it at your new home?
Jesus! 600amps!! With propane also on the WH’s.
I thought my 400 amp service to my house was a lot. That power bill could run more then a mortgage payment on a bad month with that much power.
Most of us don't make enough to cover the electric bill
Mechanical rooms are my favorite as well.
Matt, I'm a new subscriber and have enjoyed all of your videos. Since you and I love mechanical rooms, I'd like to suggest you visit the Biltmore House in Asheville NC. This is a mechanical room designed and built in 1898 to 1900! I think you would enjoy the tour.
5:04 Or the Midwest. An ice storm knocked out my power for the past two weeks! Just got it hooked back up. My car and 1000W inverter became my backup battery and generator.
I love your vids man!
I am so thankful I live in a climate that renders 90% of that stuff unnecessary. I do like the plumbing runs that allow each end use point to be isolated if needed.
When I replaced my copper pipes with pex I used red for my hot and blue for my cold. I love being able to know what's what at a quick glance.
Do you have the leak protected PEX pipes in the US?
In Finland, home of Uponor, we have a second flexible pipe around the PEX. The pipes are all "home run" and the outer pipe is open in both ends, hence a potential leak is captured by the outer pipe and leaking water gets noticed in the mechanical room. This is by code mandatory.
Especially in recreational houses this could be a nice high end option for you as well?
Cool room! Nice work. I would tie in the drain to the main system then fill the trap with light oil. Won’t evaporate, stops odours and gets easily displaced in case of use.
Most building codes in Massachusetts don’t allow for that and I assume New York is the same. If your on septic it’s your own call but I assume the fear would be contamination of the leech field. In this case it looks as though it’s only in case a water pipe let’s go. But a heavy enough leak could overwhelm the system. I’d probably opt for an automated leak arrester in conjunction with a drain or sump pump.
He said VCR haha aged himself with that comment. That mechanical room looks amazing!
Would hate to be a repairman 25 years from now trying to figure out what feeds what that powers here that pumps this that then drives that. And that the current owner has kept the original plans in a safe place and in good shape. And if so, as few as possible alterations or retrofits have been made.
Rich Trethewey eat your heart out!
Would be great to see the rest of the house.
Anyone else catch that drip @3:12 off the pipe?
I did see one major issue. The flue gas venting systems are using what looked like a dwv or sch40 pvc pipe. That is no longer acceptable in most circumstances depending on where this is at either a 1738 or 636 Ipex system should of been used or duravent!
That was just a tease of the electrical system. Need to see more.
That's great! Hugs from Boston!
It wasn’t clear if the geo was also heating the domestic water? I just finished a house in Minnesota with 11 loops buried 12-15 feet deep that heats the water too. It will be interesting to see how much propane we actually use this winter.
6:00 says that the domestic uses the Ranai which is propane fired.
Did he just reference a VCR?
People who can afford homes like this worrying about how much energy their cable box draws when not in use seems a little ridiculous, but God bless him for being a successful builder. I have a neighbor who spells their last name the same way except the "i" is hard and the "e" soft, being a builder by the sea maybe they changed it the pronunciation.
So do you have to go commercial to get this level of service out of a Sub?
I am always blown away but Northern Contractors. Texas is so different.
No, you just have to build in the Hamptons where pockets run deep and expect a level of service that can't be found in day to day life. It's where the uber rich of Manhattan hang out for the summer (or year round now due to Corona).
Texas is superficial. The ladies have bright lipstick and fake tits. Homes are built
to the same quality.
My lottery dream homes Mechancial room uses 3phase watesource VRF units Using heat recovery for domestic hot water!
Oh yeah Baby!!!
FYI design temperature for long island is +15F degrees not -10F.
great vid
Going to be awesome when service panels like that become more normal vs high end. It would be really cool to be able to monitor and control usage with such high granularity.
Just depends on WHO is doing the monitoring and controlling, big brother has been getting more and more intrusive everyday, IMHO it's not the power company's or the government's business when I wash dishes or clothes. 😉🇺🇸
This is a mechanical room I would sleep in
not me. gotta be noisy as heck in there.
Holy cow! That almost looks like a Marcor dialysis water room.
No fire sprinkler system? Austin requires that in many new houses.
That mechanical room is another mortgage payment in and of itself.
Beautiful mechanical room. Everyone concerned about cost as if they’re paying for it lol. Can’t wait to turn off my VCR with with WiFi 😂
8 300 foot wells.... Just that That would cost more than my house
Great work
Can we get more info on the Leviton load center?
what is that 30 ? they mentioned at 2:27
I am not aware of it. Could someone please explain it to me ?
How long are the home runs on the manifolds Matt? I thought you mentioned in an earlier video that individual home runs are less efficient in larger homes - how much water is wasted to bring hot water to the destination?
Nice house, taxes, maintenance, utilities have got to be UGE.
What a fuckin nightmare. Can you imagine an ordinary homeowner trying to diagnose and repair any of this mess? How about starting from a more practical place and building a house that requires almost no energy input for heating and cooling. Simple is SO much more elegant.
What type of pex is being used here ? Thanks
Interesting to see soldered copper pipes, it's not used often anymore.
I wonder if he asked the guy did you install cast iron DWV ?
Looks like a long wait for hot water in some parts of the house and a missed opportunity not to capture waste heat from the GSHPs to heat water. These were priority items in my current house.
What type of plumbing is used? More flexible than pex, what is the name of it?
That’s Uponor PEX
Gonna go clean my garage now!
Everyone wants high efficiency homes, until they see the bill!
I'll take the high efficiency home if you take the bill, what do you say? =)
@@Jerh1985 Sure, but you never said what size home! Enjoy your new high efficiency 10 square foot home! =)
@@matthewfacette7516 lol damn its always the fine print that gets me
I'll gladly pay up front for a house that pays for itself in utility savings over time. My goal is for the most expensive bill in my home to be the cable bill by a large margin, and the way the cable companies want things to go that's just getting easier and easier to achieve because that cable bill keeps going up and up.
@@supermotos Only if you're thinking about it in the scope of this video, when you're building a modest 2k sq ft home it does pay for itself...
I feel like most houses I've lived in have a mechanical room. Not ones like this of course, but where I live most buildings have basements, so it's easy to keep the mechanicals away from the living space.
I don't care what that room costs (250k?) It is fantastic! ATD (attention to detail) A++