Planet Eclipse CS2 vs CS3 Efficiency Comparison // Is the CS3 More Efficient?!?
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- Опубликовано: 4 сен 2024
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The all-new Planet Eclipse CS3 is the next generation of making paintball markers more efficient and ever-more gentle on paint. Today, Joel tests the CS3 versus the previous generation of CS marker, the CS2 pro, to determine if it is more efficient!
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PE over promised and under delivered on this platform. You guys did an amazing efficiency test considering all the variables. We’ll see how the CS3’s hold up next season! Happy holidays ⛄️
Been waiting for this video! Thank you, guys.
Absolutely. Long overdue
Suggestion: DSR+ Vs. DSR+w/pro kit efficiency
yes!
I agree. ;)
I third this
I wonder if that kit was to just generate money
@@nextgenflipper Nope.
Ok that CS2 color way with the hopper…I’m digging it! Also, I need a sword collection too!
Thank you for the post that’s right in line with about what I got out my cs3 efficiency wise
Glad you guys did this video. Great job with the variables! I am happy to know it at least is a little more efficient, though still wish I was seeing TM40 efficiency. I really thought since the cores are very similar/identical that this would get TM40 efficiency, but at least it puts this issue to rest. Thanks guys you all are great my favorite paintball store to shop! I am looking forward to trying my new CS3 out.
There's a pretty large difference in how the TM40 and OP Cores position the valve sensing head relative to the guide. That's likely accountable for the difference.
CS2 Pro: 1526
CS3: 1670
The CS3 showed 9% better efficiency over a CS2 and that's definitely a great improvement over something that was fantastic to begin with.
It is a nice improvement, buts it far from the claimed 20% efficiency...
The results will vary from test to test. I have seen another test and they did see a 20% increase.
@@adamfugate2326 Care to share where your other source? So far Punisher's test has been the most conclusive efficiency test. Everything else being equal except the marker, its the closest apples to apples test I have seen.
Yes, this is great test. However, it's only one test. Do you think PE only did one test before making that claim?Look around on facebook groups you can find people posting shot counts in side by side comparisons. There is no video evidence so take it for what it is.
@@adamfugate2326 Can you link me to that test please?
YES LOVE THE PUDDLE SHOOTING!!!!
has there ever been an outback shootign vid that wasnt windy
Sorry about that, wish we could play God and stop the wind
*Laughs in shocker Amp with 1800 shots off a 68\45*
Laughs in shocker amp going down 3-4 times in those 1800 shots 🤣🤣🤣🤣
Laughs in PE reliability
@@askloglog giggles in explain geo4 existence, lv2 pressure drops, and cs2 props snapping off in drivetrain
After my cs2 decided to go down and blend paint in back to back tournaments I couldn’t trust it again.
@@sherbert23 what's wrong with the geo? Lol
Output pressure on the tank doesn't effect efficiency. That was a lie spread by Ninja years ago to sell their SLP reg.
So it has better efficiency. Hard to do a good efficiency test with that spred in velocity though. This is a good video non the less. Clearly you get a pod more out. Nice job Eclipse! will definitely get one in 2023
Keep up the good job Jack!
The efficiency is not what I am going for on this, it is the ease of maintenance and super high technical level.
engineers lika Jack if few between. :D
So you got 144 more rounds out of the cs3 which is a pod and Jack said a pod or two better. Good review. …. Still I get about 1850 off my immortal 77ci with powerhouse reg and my dren luxe. Be curious to do a head to comparison
Jack said its 25% better efficiency and in this video it was only 8.6% more efficient.
@@dehydratedwat3rgo to the product site - 20% is claimed in ink.
@@axledog7297 Which seems to be a lie...Everyone across the board is not getting a 20% increase in efficiency. Everyone is saying maybe 9%.
@@ILikeCheeseOnBees That's how variables work. Blankly stating "20%" on the site wasn't bright of PE, but it also doesn't mean it's out of the question for an average user to see those results, pending variables are kept in check. A friend of mine performed a relatively controlled testing with as many variables accounted for as possible and saw an almost exact 20% improvement over his CS2. So, it's possible. I also see some room for improvement in the OP Core, but I don't expect many to tinker with it. My modified GP is over 20% more efficient than the stock system. ;)
@@axledog7297 nice! This is my very first high end marker so I need to learn a bit more about how the marker works and settings and efficiency and stuff
Does there feel like there’s much difference in the shot? I know they lowered the pressure on the 3.
Can you do a versus between the Gtek 170R and the CS3?
After watching an efficiency video on the CS3 on another channel and doing the math the 170R shot 1680 on a 68 ci tank and the CS3 shot 1690 on a 77 ci tank and you got 1670.
The cs2 and 170r have almost the same bolt. It won't change.
The Dye DLS got 1700 off of a 60/45
68*
Nice comparison. That CS3 looks nasty
Does the fact that the CS2 used and the CS3 is new make a difference. Every marker I've purchased brand new, needed a break in period.
That does not matter in this case.
For the people that are still questioning the 20% claim you can't draw a solid conclusion off a single test with it's own set of variables. Other people are reporting a 20% gain under different conditions with different paint. Haters will hate no matter what. The CS3 is still a high end piece of engineering and a fantastic marker.
Hey man I’m a huge fan of PE but I’m not going to simp for them when they have clearly underdelivered on this marker.
@@MK4vDubbin Have you held one or shot one? It's pretty hard to say that they underdelivered when they improved on an already fantastic platform. One test that fell short by a single pod is not conclusive enough data.
Hey guys I have a question for any experienced paint ballers and everybody in general, with a $500-$700 USD dollar budget, what do you recommend is the best bang for my buck? Mind you not that everybody who reads this message will be more experienced than myself. As stated, within that $500-$700 budget I do realize that a variety of factors come in ( as in upgrades/parts added besides the paintball gun itself ) and I’m willing to take care of everything else needed for it, ive read about many different opinions on different markers, I’m looking for the most power. If anybody has any markers in mind, please drop, any tips or anything, feel free to drop down, thanks guys
Used Shocker Amp, or cop a used Geo 3.5. You’ll be thrilled with either choice brother, and both are EXTREMELY user friendly & easy to service 🤘. By going used you’ll also have some extra $ for any upgrades or tank & loader. Enjoy man!
Etha3 is all you'll ever need.
Depends, is that a full setup for 500-700 or just the marker alone for 500-700?
Setup I'd go with a mask that fits your face comfortably. Hopefully you have a pro shop around you to try on different masks, but basically any mask you see 95% of the paintball population wearing will be good. If you can try them before you buy them because the worst thing to have is an uncomfortable mask (for me KLR's hug my nose weird and I can't really breathe out of them) and that's just me. Never skimp out on a mask.
Secondly, your tank. Good way to have a comfortable fit is to bend your arm 90 degrees, place a tank on your bicep, then measure the reg to your palm. The top of the reg (below the bonnet screw) should be about at your palm. Obviously if you want to have a bigger/smaller tank go for it, but this will give you the most comfortable feel. If you can get a 4500 PSI tank, and ensure the date gives you 5 years (relatively) of hydro.
3rd is the hopper, I personally can't find anything wrong with a spire IR2, if needed you can add a spring ramp, speed feed and the N-charge kit but honestly you don't need anything else if you rather just go bare bones on it. Every hopper is going to feed well, every hopper jams, it's paintball. I just would personally recommend this one from my own experience.
Finally, the marker. Seeing as you have spent about at least 400-500, you don't have much left, and the only reliable marker I could see being offered down in this price is a EMEK/ETHA2. One is mechanical, one is electronic, but both operate on one of the best drive trains ever created in paintball in the last decade at least. They are simple to use and costumer service under Eclipse is the best you can ever recieve no matter where you are. The Facebook group for PE tech help is the place to be for any tech needs and are consistently answering and helping to repair any downed marker for their customer's sake (if yours would even go down in the first place).
The rest is up to you, buy pants, pads, pod pack, head wrap, head bands, etc at your own expense, there is no right or wrong answer really.
@@MikeGeeezyy I’d stay away from the 3.5 at this point. A lot of people are going to find that gun too small by todays standards and the majority of examples are pretty beat up at this point. When you do find a clean example people think they have some magic unicorn and overprice them. Great marker for it’s day but there are better options now.
@@MK4vDubbin 160R then?
Still not 1700 on a 68 😉
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oh man... dont take it down like ANS cs3 video..
Does it really matter? What condition does air efficiency matter? What percent of the time playing does this matter. I am not being negative , I am asking to understand, thank you
It doesn't matter, guns have reached maximum efficiency and the highest level of functionality so the " new " models have very little to offer as far as big changes so these little changes are hyped up to seem like a big deal when they are mostly meaningless. Pair that with the lackluster mill job this thing was most likely released just to keep the price point high and close to 2 grand .
Air efficiency means you can get more paint out with the same amount of air. This is important for those that play speedball considering they're usually constantly throwing paint down field. If you play woodsball, it might not be as important unless you need to be able to sling a ton of paint (ie you're defending an objective from attackers or something)
It may not matter too much, with air stations readily available, especially in tournament settings. Until the tournament air systems go down mid event. Efficiency starts to matter when you're only getting a 2 or 3k fill
Efficiency may not matter that much but when air stations go down during a tournament it's definitely beneficial to be shooting a more efficient gun. Being able to shoot 8 pods off of a 3k fill vs 6 pods means I can continue shooting lanes while you're one balling and hoping to shoot cross field
Why not take one side by side shooting.... these winds are also not helpful, it is a good video but with room to Improve....
I would see a easy Sound comparison and then keep rolling and waste Paint for science, im fine with it.....
Helpful, but could be better.
No sound
Are you sure? We have sound
@@PunishersPaintball I've got it now, but I tried 6 or 7 times before it worked.
@@PunishersPaintball forsure there is sound.
Need some advice. Found some local deals but which should I buy? Empire Mini GS for $300 or Eclipse Etha 2 for $400. Both include carbon fiber tanks and electronic hoppers. Thanks.
Etha
Etha 2
Etha 2. When i started playing paintball ive got empire axe2.0 they only thing i hate about empire is that lots of maintening lots of adjustment in order to shot right. Then i got etha 2, 170r, geo4 and cs2 easy to maintain Works everytime.
Lmao. 20% huh. Planet eclipse failed big time on that one.
Apple eclipse
Not even close to 20% 🤣🤣 and it does not matter 68cu or 100cu tank, yes you get more shots out of 100cu but percent wise 10-12% no way near to 20% we tried ourself
Not even close to what we got...
False effiency advertising!
Did the cs3 have the soft tip in? Or did the cs3 have a soft tip installed? They make a small diffrence in efficiency and I know the cs3 comes out of the box with the soft bolt installed. That being said please dont make another video. I think the world had enough of this fiasco.
I mean no one’s forcing you to watch!
@@PunishersPaintball oh no ive been waiting for younguys to do one. I find you guys to be the most transparent. None of the factors in asked about would get the cs3 to the 20% mark they advertised. I just dont want this to make you have to make a new video like ans had to do.
@@zedthemexicanmadman9542 appreciate it. We tried to be as thorough as possible. But no, not a full 20% but still pretty dang efficient
@@PunishersPaintball honestly as this point most markers shoot mire paint then most people take out with them. I feel paint handeling is more important. Which it seems to be doing amazing with. I think PE just has to come out and take the L and focus on the paint handeling and it will restore faith in them. But regardless keep up the good work.
That doesn't matter in the CS3, as it uses the new open faced soft tip. This tip is backwards compatible with any IV or Gamma ST bolts.