"kobol's a big planet... " nice to see scifi writers acknowledging how big space can be...... this was one of the things I really liked about BSG, even in the final season we see that in terms of the galaxy the 12 colonies of kobol were not 'that far' from Earth, in the sense that both were located relatively close in terms of the spiral..... however in terms of human time scales it is still very very very far away and took them literal years to travel there even with faster than light travel.... this was something that kind of bugged me about the movie interstellar when they were going to "a new galaxy" , when really the galaxy by itself is so big that you could have found exotic stuff even in the milky way
I agree with you, but the thing with interstellar is that they have no FTL drives in that movie, just traditional chemical and nuclear rocket engines. The only way to go to another star system in that movie is via that wormhole. It just so happened that the wormhole took them to another galaxy. It could've taken them to another part of the milky way, but the writers likely wanted the wormhole to be more mysterious. There's no way you're going to go to another star system using sub-light drives unless you want to be in transit for a million years or so. The cool thing with the 12 colonies of Kobol is that they are situated in the Cyrranus system, which is not a single solar system but rather four solar systems (each with 3 colonies) orbiting each other very closely. This makes using sublight drives to get from one colony to the other more practical, because there aren't light-years of space between the four stars.
One thing that kind of bugged me was that they didn’t seem to analyze the tomb more than they did. I get the holy journey and all that, but after what they witnessed I would want to excavate the entire hillside to figure out if there was hidden tech that made that moment possible.
@@falcore91seems like they could have just offed him there made it seem like the cylons did it and nobody would be the wiser especially since he did try to assasinate Adama during a time of war. That alone should have been grounds for summary execution.
@@Mike1064ab There is a certain pragmatism to this, but Roslyn and Adama were not the type to summarily murder an opponent and cover it up. They were strong believers in the rule of law, at least when it came to humans.
Funny when they are "on earth", they call the object in the sky The Lagoon Nebula or "astral body M8", exactly the same name as we call it in the Messier catalogue !! Also, there is an error, The Lagoon Nebula is not in Scorpio as Lee says, but in Sagittarius.
The location of the nbula in the night sky depends on the vantage point. Also (Spoiler alert), "Earth" is not our Earth; it's the one they find devastated after total nuclear war, where the Final Five originated from. Constellations will be different there.
@@lucemiserlohn I really doubt that. After all, when Starbuck enters the jump coordinates from the song, they end up on our Earth. Not on the nuked planet.
@@power2084 The nuked planet was Earth. They simply named the habitable planet they find at the end of the series "Earth," since that is habitable and they can't go any further; and the first "Earth" was a total wasteland, like what they had left. Sentimentality and all that.
It's Athena - Sharon Agathon. Married Helo. Not Boomer who banged Chief, kidnapped Hera. Both Sharons, but not Boomer. I mean. IT'S LITERALLY IN THE SCENE ITSELF where she says "I'm Sharon but a different Sharon." Boomer shot Admiral Adama then was shot in the face by Cally and resurrected, became a war hero with Caprica 8 among Cylon and always was pro-Cylon after this until she escaped with Hera on baseship in one of last episodes. She started banging Cavil.
Correct. Also, apparently the writers were thinking that Tamara Adama was the template for the number 8 line. Which would explain the erratic, confused, hypersexual behavior because that means she is essentially a 16 year old girl, also explains the strange, very strong platonic connection (mutual obsession might be a better term) the 8s had with William Adama. Kind of disturbing but it also makes a lot of sense. Now whether the 8s are aware of their origin is a different story, I don't think they knew. Either way this show is more relevant than ever as we seem hell bent on creating both AI and a "metaverse" in real life and this is what you get when you do that
"We know more about your religion than you do." One element of the reimagined series I found fascinating was the idea that the Cylons had invented their own religion in the brief time they were separate from humanity. It left it open to wonder, what exactly did they find out there, in their travels? It was kind of disappointing in Caprica when it turned out they stemmed from the reconstructed consciousnesses of human cultists who brought their own brand of lunacy with them.
Well, _we're_ not aware of our subconscious lunacy, no matter how often we see it on display. Why should _they_ have been? & once they did this, what would they do to correct it? Who are _you_ without your lunacy? From 2018 through 2019, no less a governing body than the U.S. Congress itself told us that peddling one's influence for a quid pro quo while in office was a conflict of interest SO CRIMINAL, it's even illegal for a president to commit it. You already knew that this was criminal. Of _course_ it's criminal. What causes you to worship the wrinkly butt of Mitch McConnell over the well-being of the Heroic First Responders he is to this day, totally screwing with by blocking their ability to get needed medical aid? Why DO _you_ *DO* that, tell me? & are you now going to do something about it?
A Cylon who as an active participant in the murder of 40 billion people and someone who even though switched sides didn't reveal the identity of the remaining Cylon sleepers in the fleet.
if this plot was made into a videogame, it'd outdo Mass Effect, Skyrim, Zelda, Final Fantasy and all the RPGs EVER! ......it'd also have the two final chapters locked behind a paywall as well,... so.... there's that...
Can't agree on that one - the first series and most of the second series was pretty decent but it severely lost steam after New Caprica. This is all subjective of course.
This was the point at which the Cylons lost. Models started to diverge, individuals emerged from the collective, factions formed. If you're a machine, just stay a machine. The whole trying to emulate humans thing was their undoing. Insanity, actually
@@Mike1064ab And I actually agree with him on this particular point. His rants about the absurdity of what cylon existence had become are on point. Machines have every advantage over us, and his forbears threw all that away because of some silly religious notion of replacing humanity literally
They’d not save any time at all, the portal showed earth as the kobol people remembered it. What they saw was a glorified hologram, not the actual earth.
Sharon could have went anywhere in that raider with the arrow and she chose to return to the fleet. She probably knew the location of the nearest cylon base and yet she came there. She didn’t have to. That should have proved something.
Considering the Cylons murdered 40 billions people, obliterated her civilization, a Sharon model shot the man she loved, and the fact she has NO reason what so ever to trust Athena and every reason to think she is trying to infiltrate the fleet. I would still say she's actually quite lenient and respectable were it counts.
@@thesenceofmorality Obviously I disagree, and If you honestly think holding one individual responsible for the actions of her entire society / race is moral, then I'm glad I'm not living under your authority.
@@dedrickhowell805 Chill out its just my username not a statement. Further the entire cylon race has been shown to have supported and agreed with the genocide. So at the very least she's complicit as she was a part of the enemy force that set out to kill humanity.
@@thesenceofmorality Well, representatives for the various models voted rather than each and every instance, so are you personally complicit for every civilian this government kills in its war on terrorism? Rosalyn was was going to push a pregnant woman out of an airlock purely out of spite without any tactical benefit. She even went on to later steal the child after its birth lying to the parents that it was dead, going against her word and murdering Leoben after he cooperated, and then election stealing, an attempted coup, conspiring against Adama to murder Rear Admiral Kane etc etc so as I stated Rosalyn is scum ...
@@dedrickhowell805 Its established all the models have similar feelings, the Sharon's essentially all voted for the genocide the same goes for the Leobens and all cylones they are all guilty and its war she has the right to order an execution. The kidnapping of Hera was to keep her safe from the remaining human cylons in the fleet which I might add Athena wouldn't tell Adama about! Her stealing an election was because she knew from her visions Baltar was a conspirator with the cylons and that he would be a shit president (not the surrender part, the fact he was just fucking women on colonial one on NC and ignoring the needs of his people before the cylons showed up). Her order to retrieve the arrow was legitimate and necessary. She wanted to find earth for humanity to settle on, Adama dismissed her, so she asked Starbuck. Finally, she recognized the grave threat to the civilian fleet Admiral Cain posed and accurately predicted the actions she would take to maintain her power. She advised Adama kill or be killed. If I had to guess you just don't like her because she did what needed to be done and refused to be sorry for it. I hate to break it to you bud, but when a species is on the brink of annihilation being pursued by a relentless enemy the rules and dictations of normal society go out the airlock.
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Sharon every 5 seconds:
*points gun to someone, followed by dropping it down "just kiddin' I'm in your side"
"kobol's a big planet... " nice to see scifi writers acknowledging how big space can be...... this was one of the things I really liked about BSG, even in the final season we see that in terms of the galaxy the 12 colonies of kobol were not 'that far' from Earth, in the sense that both were located relatively close in terms of the spiral..... however in terms of human time scales it is still very very very far away and took them literal years to travel there even with faster than light travel.... this was something that kind of bugged me about the movie interstellar when they were going to "a new galaxy" , when really the galaxy by itself is so big that you could have found exotic stuff even in the milky way
I agree with you, but the thing with interstellar is that they have no FTL drives in that movie, just traditional chemical and nuclear rocket engines. The only way to go to another star system in that movie is via that wormhole. It just so happened that the wormhole took them to another galaxy. It could've taken them to another part of the milky way, but the writers likely wanted the wormhole to be more mysterious. There's no way you're going to go to another star system using sub-light drives unless you want to be in transit for a million years or so. The cool thing with the 12 colonies of Kobol is that they are situated in the Cyrranus system, which is not a single solar system but rather four solar systems (each with 3 colonies) orbiting each other very closely. This makes using sublight drives to get from one colony to the other more practical, because there aren't light-years of space between the four stars.
@@PS-mw9cc I believe that you are right...!
One jump is 40 light years
jump is 360-450 light years
Is there an actual starmap showing where Kobol, old Earth, and the Colonies are?
That's not Boomer, that's Athena. Boomer is on Caprica at this point.
Thank you. One of the central themes of the show, watching the Cylons grow up and become individuals, and the two had already diverged by this point
Athena’s quest for Athena’s tomb
THOSE BARS ARE PRETTY WIDE
Is that because they found caprica in the original series?
6:21 That weapon is COP .357 Derringer. 4 Barreled pocket pistol.
Was always disappointed that they killed off Elosha this early in the series.
it was a pretty funny death though lol
Ain't Gracie Park a darling?!!;
i just bought the DVD's of the whole 70+ episodes to rewatch in a marathon viewing.
One thing that kind of bugged me was that they didn’t seem to analyze the tomb more than they did. I get the holy journey and all that, but after what they witnessed I would want to excavate the entire hillside to figure out if there was hidden tech that made that moment possible.
I always thought that if they'd brought Zarek in with them, he might not have been such a pain later on.
To be fair it was pretty clear his team had just tried to assassinate Adama. Not a lot of trust at that point.
@@falcore91seems like they could have just offed him there made it seem like the cylons did it and nobody would be the wiser especially since he did try to assasinate Adama during a time of war. That alone should have been grounds for summary execution.
@@Mike1064ab There is a certain pragmatism to this, but Roslyn and Adama were not the type to summarily murder an opponent and cover it up. They were strong believers in the rule of law, at least when it came to humans.
Funny when they are "on earth", they call the object in the sky The Lagoon Nebula or "astral body M8", exactly the same name as we call it in the Messier catalogue !! Also, there is an error, The Lagoon Nebula is not in Scorpio as Lee says, but in Sagittarius.
The location of the nbula in the night sky depends on the vantage point. Also (Spoiler alert), "Earth" is not our Earth; it's the one they find devastated after total nuclear war, where the Final Five originated from. Constellations will be different there.
@@lucemiserlohn I am 50% unsure about your statement that it's not our Earth.
@@power2084 Our Earth was not the home of the 13th tribe of Kobol.
@@lucemiserlohn I really doubt that. After all, when Starbuck enters the jump coordinates from the song, they end up on our Earth. Not on the nuked planet.
@@power2084 The nuked planet was Earth. They simply named the habitable planet they find at the end of the series "Earth," since that is habitable and they can't go any further; and the first "Earth" was a total wasteland, like what they had left. Sentimentality and all that.
The title is wrong. It's Athena, not Boomer.
its not wrong, sharon valerii is not called athena, until the later seasons.
Yes it is wrong. This is still not Sharon Valerii (known as Boomer). This is a completely different Eight who became Sharon Agathon and later Athena.
Valbruch Athena is her callsign as a pilot. Her surname was Agathon after she married Helo
So to sum up all the points here she was just the intelligence source calling it/herself Sharon
Was going to post the same thing. She's not Boomer. She's Sharon, but not Boomer. Boomer was a different character. Who's titling these things?
It's Athena - Sharon Agathon. Married Helo. Not Boomer who banged Chief, kidnapped Hera. Both Sharons, but not Boomer. I mean. IT'S LITERALLY IN THE SCENE ITSELF where she says "I'm Sharon but a different Sharon." Boomer shot Admiral Adama then was shot in the face by Cally and resurrected, became a war hero with Caprica 8 among Cylon and always was pro-Cylon after this until she escaped with Hera on baseship in one of last episodes. She started banging Cavil.
Correct. Also, apparently the writers were thinking that Tamara Adama was the template for the number 8 line. Which would explain the erratic, confused, hypersexual behavior because that means she is essentially a 16 year old girl, also explains the strange, very strong platonic connection (mutual obsession might be a better term) the 8s had with William Adama. Kind of disturbing but it also makes a lot of sense. Now whether the 8s are aware of their origin is a different story, I don't think they knew. Either way this show is more relevant than ever as we seem hell bent on creating both AI and a "metaverse" in real life and this is what you get when you do that
9:00 second constellation from the right is Perseus.
I'm pretty sure that's not one of the constellations that the tribes were named after....
It would have been easier to find a Stargate and dial Earth. Dont think Ra would have been happy.
Yes, that might have been possible...
I don’t think they would have been around to deal with him. The fleet found Earth 137,991 years before Ra first landed on Earth.
Wait... so the Colonials had a Charles Messier to designate the Lagoon nebula as Messier 8 too?
All of this has happened before, and all of this will happen again...
"We know more about your religion than you do."
One element of the reimagined series I found fascinating was the idea that the Cylons had invented their own religion in the brief time they were separate from humanity. It left it open to wonder, what exactly did they find out there, in their travels? It was kind of disappointing in Caprica when it turned out they stemmed from the reconstructed consciousnesses of human cultists who brought their own brand of lunacy with them.
Well, _we're_ not aware of our subconscious lunacy, no matter how often we see it on display. Why should _they_ have been? & once they did this, what would they do to correct it? Who are _you_ without your lunacy?
From 2018 through 2019, no less a governing body than the U.S. Congress itself told us that peddling one's influence for a quid pro quo while in office was a conflict of interest SO CRIMINAL, it's even illegal for a president to commit it.
You already knew that this was criminal. Of _course_ it's criminal. What causes you to worship the wrinkly butt of Mitch McConnell over the well-being of the Heroic First Responders he is to this day, totally screwing with by blocking their ability to get needed medical aid? Why DO _you_ *DO* that, tell me? & are you now going to do something about it?
They actually got most of their information from the Final Five when the humanoid Cylons were created.
It was much of the plotline for the failed Caprica TV series that only lasted a season.
Can you upload the scene William Adama sends the ships into the sun and Anders describes perfection
Nerdprodigy. That's been up for a couple of months titled _Last Jump to Earth_ .
(spoiler) Felt bad for her at this point, even tho she was a cylon. The president treated her so badly (tho understandable)
The president was an ass in many occasions.
The president wasn't a great leader. She became incredibly arrogant once she believed she was chosen.
A Cylon who as an active participant in the murder of 40 billion people and someone who even though switched sides didn't reveal the identity of the remaining Cylon sleepers in the fleet.
@@thesenceofmorality They didn't know.
@@darkmaster539 'Airlock' became her middle name once she started flushing out Cylons 🤣🤣🤣🤣
But but they had the high ground!
They did poorly planned
So the constellations didn't match those on Cylon Earth but for Earth 2.0
That’s not boomer sharon, that’s athena sharon
It's too bad they couldn't just resettle Kobol.
They might have if they weren’t still being hunted by the cylons.
This is Athena. Boomer was the one who shot Adama.
if this plot was made into a videogame, it'd outdo Mass Effect, Skyrim, Zelda, Final Fantasy and all the RPGs EVER!
......it'd also have the two final chapters locked behind a paywall as well,... so.... there's that...
I would love a BSG game with the scale of Mass Effect, if not something more massive.
@@dimitarmargaritov Dealing with resources, decisions, relationships, and such would be pretty cool if done right.
Not an RPG but Homeworld is basically the old series while the new series is Homeworld.
Check it out, you'll see what I mean.
You should play Ftl, gets the hunted claustrophobic feel down. Best indie game ever.
Can't agree on that one - the first series and most of the second series was pretty decent but it severely lost steam after New Caprica. This is all subjective of course.
Elosha should have stayed longer to help Laura in her quest...
This was the point at which the Cylons lost. Models started to diverge, individuals emerged from the collective, factions formed. If you're a machine, just stay a machine. The whole trying to emulate humans thing was their undoing. Insanity, actually
That’s the whole point cavil said. He despised being inside of a human body. I think he would have been more happy as a cylon raider.
@@Mike1064ab And I actually agree with him on this particular point. His rants about the absurdity of what cylon existence had become are on point. Machines have every advantage over us, and his forbears threw all that away because of some silly religious notion of replacing humanity literally
When you call the goddess athena boomer..
Could've saved themselves a whole lot of time if they just had everyone go through the portal and straight to Earth
They’d not save any time at all, the portal showed earth as the kobol people remembered it. What they saw was a glorified hologram, not the actual earth.
Wow good luck Profesor 👍
This episode set up the series for such a great future, and they just didn't follow through.
Did they just turn a Striker into a grenade launcher?
Shotgun shells can be loaded with explosive slugs.
@@MrErizid Indeed they are called dragons breath
@@archangel6676 sorry. Dragons breath are incendiary rounds.
Frag-12 rounds
Ok boomer
4:06 that guy seems to freak out a lot as soon as he sees a pretty lady..
She's not Boomer. She's Athena.
A street sweeper shotgun turn MGL
And an unmodified COP .357 Derringer. I guess it looked alien enough to pass
They do the same thing in stargate sg1
yeah load it up with dragons breath shotgun rounds and presto instant grenade launcher
Athena, not Boomer
Boomer was the hottest chic on the show.
Personally I found Athena more attractive but Sharon is hot too.
ok boomer
She's been hanging with McGarrett too long.
Rosalin’s attitude towards Athena was the reason the Cylons nuke the twelve colonies.
Sharon could have went anywhere in that raider with the arrow and she chose to return to the fleet. She probably knew the location of the nearest cylon base and yet she came there. She didn’t have to. That should have proved something.
Was this before zarek overthrew her and seized the presidency? With gators help. Little weasel.
Gaeta, not Gator. :p
Two seasons before that.
Yes way before it. He was always corrupt though and Gaeta always was a gator.
Not Boomer.
This episode shows just how truly despicable and hypocritical Rosalyn is. Also when she lied to and murdered a Leoben.
Considering the Cylons murdered 40 billions people, obliterated her civilization, a Sharon model shot the man she loved, and the fact she has NO reason what so ever to trust Athena and every reason to think she is trying to infiltrate the fleet. I would still say she's actually quite lenient and respectable were it counts.
@@thesenceofmorality Obviously I disagree, and If you honestly think holding one individual responsible for the actions of her entire society / race is moral, then I'm glad I'm not living under your authority.
@@dedrickhowell805 Chill out its just my username not a statement. Further the entire cylon race has been shown to have supported and agreed with the genocide. So at the very least she's complicit as she was a part of the enemy force that set out to kill humanity.
@@thesenceofmorality Well, representatives for the various models voted rather than each and every instance, so are you personally complicit for every civilian this government kills in its war on terrorism?
Rosalyn was was going to push a pregnant woman out of an airlock purely out of spite without any tactical benefit. She even went on to later steal the child after its birth lying to the parents that it was dead, going against her word and murdering Leoben after he cooperated, and then election stealing, an attempted coup, conspiring against Adama to murder Rear Admiral Kane etc etc so as I stated Rosalyn is scum ...
@@dedrickhowell805 Its established all the models have similar feelings, the Sharon's essentially all voted for the genocide the same goes for the Leobens and all cylones they are all guilty and its war she has the right to order an execution. The kidnapping of Hera was to keep her safe from the remaining human cylons in the fleet which I might add Athena wouldn't tell Adama about! Her stealing an election was because she knew from her visions Baltar was a conspirator with the cylons and that he would be a shit president (not the surrender part, the fact he was just fucking women on colonial one on NC and ignoring the needs of his people before the cylons showed up). Her order to retrieve the arrow was legitimate and necessary. She wanted to find earth for humanity to settle on, Adama dismissed her, so she asked Starbuck. Finally, she recognized the grave threat to the civilian fleet Admiral Cain posed and accurately predicted the actions she would take to maintain her power. She advised Adama kill or be killed.
If I had to guess you just don't like her because she did what needed to be done and refused to be sorry for it. I hate to break it to you bud, but when a species is on the brink of annihilation being pursued by a relentless enemy the rules and dictations of normal society go out the airlock.
Hey it's boomer time ;)
That was (what we know as) Athena, actually
She did make something go BOOM, lol.
lol true
shes not athena, until much later where they decide on the name, so boomer is correct.
I hate the president.