Ah, but all those left outside happen to be Cylons, people who will breed with Cylons, or people who would misuse the location of Earth: Zarek, Tyrol, Helo, and Sharon. None are "true believers", or have some other purpose to play.
@@sonofcy expanse was good but didnt come close to the epicness of this. I read the books and they were pretty good. I never finished the last book though when they were finally starting to explain those mysterious aliens that destroyed the blue goo race.
@@sonofcy This was an amazing show. Still I don’t want all my SF in this mold, I prefer darkness and humor. DS9 and B5 are still great and worth rewatching.
@@terp02Andrew your question is a little confusing. Surely you know that the BSG Galactica and the "rag tag fleet", all that is left of humanity, are all that remains of the tribes of the 12 original colonies, because the Cylons destroyed it all. It's the premise of the show that the survivors of the 12 colonies are searching for the lost 13th colony, Earth.
I remember seeing this when it aired. Such a powerful scene. I did, and still do think, though, that Adama should have let Zarek see what they saw. It might have swayed him to Roslin's side and saved them a lot of trouble down the road.
@@KamalaChameleon the mutiny was part of the "we have one season to wrap all the stories up" cancellation story telling when they were told the 4th season would be the last. Not everything was tied neatly with a bow for sure.
It probably wouldn't have made a difference. Tom Zarek wasn't a believer in prophecies or in Roslin's plan. Tom Zarek was about Tom Zarek and whatever power or control he could obtain.
This was one of the most amazing "you took me there" scenes. When other shows would shy away from anything that threatens the status quo, this was a real game changer.
This is my favourite moment in the entire series (yes even more than Pegasus). It took a 70's sci-fi premise that had always seemed a tad hokey (Earth as the 13th colony), and gave it a context & credibility within the mythology that both series presented. Brilliant storytelling.
The series had many great moments, great battles, and great drama, but this may have been the most beautiful storytelling. The best part is when Starbuck comes to the realization that they were not looking at a map to Earth, but were instead standing upon Earth.
It actually annoyed me that they used the CX4. I’ve shot it, and I instantly was left wondering why a military whose primary enemy is a race of armored machines was using a .40 caliber pistol carbine as their standard counterboarding arm.
@@PhoenixT70 They had chosen Cx4 because futuristic and exotic look, unlike AR. Also - this is clearly antipersonnel weapon, as Centurions required not firearms, but man portable / squad weapons / underbarrel launchers anyway (and nobody seen a Cylon in 40 years ). Stop whining. Good choice. They also speak english.
This is where things would eventually get weird. They find "Earth" and everything is dead. Then they get to another planet at the very end of the series that they name "Earth" which just so happens to have the same exact star pattern as the original dead earth.... How does that work?
@@logion567 Nearst star to earth is 4 light years away would have a completely differnt star pattern in the sky. Even our own constellations change in angle and view to earth due to precesion so the story falls apart if you look in depth but its a fantastic story if you dont look so much into it.
consider the cycle. maybe the blasted ( most recent ) earth was just one in a long line of "earths". maybe their last stop that they named earth, was indeed the original earth... the one where the cycle began, and hopefully ends. then again, it could all be writer error :P
I love how BSG was influenced heavily by the ancienct Greek Mythology. When your favorite show uses your's mythology makes it even better and more enjoyable.
@@bigmacdoubleyouv Glen A. Larson, the creator of the original BSG was a devout Mormon who based the overall story on themes central to the tenets of LDS.
@@atticstattic the story of battlestar galatica takes place roughly 150k years in earths past, so stellar drift wouldnt apply here since stargate is in the present time and they are on the same earth just in different times
Someone went to a lot of work building this star chart, can anyone take it, reverse the course and find the point of origin? I know it's fiction, but it should be an interesting exercise in astronavigation.
I'm not an astronomer or anything, but the short answer is 'no'. Why? Those constellations would be a different pattern relative to your position in the galaxy. Assuming Galactica is in our galaxy and nowhere near Earth, and it is, so it seems, so these constellations would be meaningless until you're actually on Earth. The nebula Apollo points out could be an easy point to look for, but there are actually a LOT of nebula out there. Though, and it's not said on the show here, nebula have distinct forms. Again; relative to where you observe, AND compare to this 'map' image, you MIGHT be able to identify one... if yer clever. Sorta like recognizing a cow by looking up it's ass. So, I reckon Apollo is right astronomically. Sorta?
Agreed, but also constellations can be interpolated and extrapolated using computer modeling, making for theoretical constellations as they are seen from other star systems.
I suppose so, though that's never been done in science that I know of. Hey, MAYBE Galactica can do the modeling you suggest. It's not possible today, as far as I know.
Well, let's take a given area of space, isolate it into a 3d cube. Then take it and populate it with stars at varying distances and positions relative to each other. Then look at it from one side of the cube, then shift it to another position. You can see how the constellations change shape. Once you have the 3 dimensional coordinates of objects in a given section of space, you can easily watch how their positions change in relation to your position. We do this all the time in 3D modeling and printing.
Well said, and logical. My whole argument hinges on my belief we cannot do 'it' because of our limited relative point of reference on Earth. You seem to say science can extrapolate the positions of 'it' somehow. Yes, your argument is fine. I'm just not sure science has that ability as of now. Hey, said the guy who reads the odd science article yea? ;p
"astral body M8" That was a bit much for anyone into astronomy, as that is the same name and designation we give that object in the current day. Stretches the suspension of disbelief to the breakin point. Also, it would not look the same that many years in the distant past.
what they didn't realise was that the real Earth was destroyed by a Vogon constructor fleet making way for a new interstellar highway, the plans were on display at the local planning office in Alpha Centauri for 50 Earth years, but nobody bothered to look. This is why the colonials had to go to Earth mark 2.
1:56 I’ve watched this scene many, many times and never noticed the cheesy organ till now. I wonder if this was intended as a throwback to late 50/early to mid 60s sci fi. Sounds a little like ST TOS.
Nice to add flash / jump drive effect. But in order for this to work, implies form of jump drive that also can transfer to SPECIFIED point in time - or that 'earth' would change in millenia. And if each Colony had constellation - well it points to vastly distributed interstellar / galaxy wide civilisation that through successive cycles ground itself to Kobol and Cyranus Star System... but writing wise, it is Deus Ex Machina by Moore Again.
I seem to remember a discussion about this and RDM had explained it, but I cannot remember exactly what was said. I think it was something about them looking at it from the other side of the nebula? Curious to hear your view?
@@ReddwarfIV From our Earth is Saggitarius. From their - it's in in Scropio. And since Baltaresque-Angel referrs in end episode "to real, Earth, before this one" (which they found nuked due to writers strike ;) ) it stands to reason that they are on Earth from different cycle, looking therefore they end up on Our Earth. But obviously, in-uninverse it wasn't the one they were looking for.
I wonder how the builders of the temple knew how to depict the Earth's sky? The 13th tribe didn't know where it was, and I doubt they used sub-light speed to come back to Kobol and update the temple's hologram. Did they have a vision like everyone else, or what?
Didn't this episode mess with the chronology that ends up being established? (1) the "ancient" names of the colonies are their present day names and (2) the "original" colonial flags were actually star patterns that were viewable from Earth. For those things to be true for the Colonials (i.e., for those to be their names and flags while they were on Kobol), then Earth (at least the Cylon one) would already have had to have been settled. Either that or by random chance they found a planet that had twelve constellations that happened to match the twelve Colonial symbols and the name thing is also coincidence.
This hints at the 13th tribe being Human, not Cylon. The Colonies named themselves after their gods, not their original names, which is the zodiac signs names. Earth is always the original long forgotten starting point of the cycle. Kobol is the mid point of the first half of the cycle. It is remembered, then the colonial half of the cycle takes over. The thing is, the Cylons never find the true Earth. The one Galactica arrives over. The others are all Cylon attempts at copying or interpreting the legend of the 13th tribe. As for the 13th tribe, they only have two destinations; Kobol or True Earth, no other options for them. They also always refuse to build the Cylons, the other 12 always make them.
I watched this many years ago and had a copy of the mini series at one time. Wanted to watch it again and found it on my Roku device and watched it again. Bought the entire Blueray disc set and still can't find this scene. Any one know what episode this aired in? Seems kind of crazy that after watching 4 times and doing a search, that I can't find it. Must be getting senile.
I should have seen the Final season twists from this the first time around. I'm a star watcher and I simply thought the series was cutting corners on accuracy because the patterns of the constellations were off. However, hindsight being what it is, I can see what they did here. The star patterns on the constellations are different than what they are today looking at them in the night sky on Earth. 100,000 years ago, the stars were in slightly different positions than they are now. The constellation patterns would have looked different then. There's also the fact that the Earth of the 13th Tribe (spoiler alert) isn't our Earth.
It's amazing no matter how many people die along the way the core always survive or get brought back to life And the deaths of others who die long the journey does very little to dampen their spirits I mean at least 2 people died just a few minutes ago and there is not even a sniffle from any of them
This reminds me, I've been hearing a lot about this idea recently. The ancient Romans did figure out steam power (Hero's engine), but never put it to any use. The idea is that had they, then judging by our own timeline, it's possible that they could've made it into space by the 6th century. Hard to imagine, huh? I know Christianity would've still been a factor, but perhaps Christianity was a sign of the Empire's decline. Perhaps if there had been an industrial revolution in Rome, it would've helped them stabilize the society and hold onto their territory. Without the Empire's decline, perhaps polytheism would've remain the predominant form of religion. I know that's a lot of speculation, but hey, it's fun to think about. Anyhow, if the Romans had mastered space travel in the 6th century, then by this point in our history perhaps humanity could have made it out of the Solar system. It would be sorta cool if BSG was based on that concept. Perhaps it is, tbh I don't know much about the backstory. Anyhow, this scene just got me thinking about that. Perhaps the story is taking place right now, just in an alternate timeline. Or maybe not lol. (If you're interested, I urge you to check out Hero's engine en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aeolipile and consider the world that could've been)
Ur thinking cartoon history, the Romans didn't have anywhere near the technology to pull of viable steam engines, Hero's engine didn't work at all, a viable steam engine requires 1750s level of fine metal work.
nehor, who's to say that they couldn't have developed the metalworking techniques to meet the requirements? Anyhow, it's just a fun thought. I'm not certain it could've happened, but maybe it could've. Who knows? The Romans *were* brilliant engineers, after all, but maybe their society was too turbulent. Or maybe their dependence on slaves really was a drawback, and hindered their development.
Bb Cc I'm sure atheists and pagans could walk. I mean, I'm not Christian and I can walk just fine. Anyhow, I don't see a causal link between religion and technological development. Yes, it does happen that they were Christians when these things happened, but I'm fairly certain it wasn't *because* they were Christian. I'm not anti-Christian, though, so please don't freak out on me. It's good to believe in something, and religion gives people a shared identity, which is what we need more than anything right now.
Having watched the original BSG in 1978-1980, this was the scene that finally tied into the original mythology. OG BSG was based on Mormon mythology mixed with all the pseudo-science that was popular in the 1970s -- astrology, "Chariots of the Gods," etc. Finding a "Stonehenge" with the twelve astrological signs, the origin of the names for the twelve colonies in the original, was a reassurance for we OGs that the show's roots were going to be honored. And as others pointed out ... The directions are not to our Earth. Their ancestors went from Kobol to the twelve colonies plus the 13th, which they called "Earth" but it wasn't our Earth. It was only after discovering their Earth was destroyed that they were led by "God" to our Earth 150,000 years before our time.
So this confused me at the end of the show: I'm assuming the Earth in the Tomb of Athena is the 13th tribe Earth (because that makes sense). But when they arrive at the final planet and they name it Earth (which turns out to be our modern day Earth), our Earth is the place where you can see all 12 constellations. So was the Tomb of Athena actually leading them to our Earth, or do both Earths just coincidentally have visibility of the constellations?
Well the stars around the galaxy rotate around the central super black hole. So technically it is possible (though still a big stretch) for a nearby planet ~several light years away to have had a similar star pattern a few hundred thousand years ago. BSG is a little closer to Star Wars than the (slightly more grounded in science) Star Trek & The Orville. eg. Details on propulsion is rarely given, BSG could be equilivilent in technology to an early 22nd century Earth. Rather than the further future of 24-25th Century Star Trek/The Orville. The Technology of BSG is similar to our own just with a few significant advances in space flight (FTL & Artificial Gravity). Short lived prequel Caprica more like a 80's/90's technology (though a 20's feel to the show).
No, the Tomb of Athena doesn't point them towards our earth, but the one of the 13th Tribe. The Lagoon Nebula is not present in the constellation of Scorpio for us, and RDM admitted to placing this as a clue that the Earth they were looking for wasn't ours. In our view, the nebula would be closer to Sagittarius than to Scorpio.
I found it especially interesting that the constellations are laid out as they will be seen in 150,000 years from the "wrong" Earth. Apparently the supernatural entity behind the whole story wasn't expecting the Colonials for 150 millennia. Fortunately it corrected its mistake by giving Kara different directions to both Earths. So this whole Tomb of Athena thing ultimately amounted to nothing.
@@eleanorheptinstall5354 i agree, esp that the nebula is around saggitarius, not where they saw it in the show, it does seem to imply its planets from neighouring galaxies, you can see the constelations from alpha centauri too for ex
I've always wanted to know if Ron Moore ever explained where he would have liked the story to go had the show not been cancelled. Has anyone ever seen him answer that? If so, please shoot me a link or something.
@@rc59191 it was cancelled. They allowed the story to conclude with a 4th season, but originally they wanted it to go on much longer. It wasn't a planned ending. Season 3 didnt do so well in the ratings, so they allowed for a 4th season to end the show. Some simple google searches will confirm this.
I never got why Billy the presidents bagman (or was he supposed to be COS?) got to see this. There was huge symbolism of a nuclear family when it came to BSG, the most prominent example being Roslin Adama and Kara & Lee. As the leading characters and parts if that family it made sense that they each saw this vision.....then ya got that kid Billy in the background who gets killed of like 3 episodes later. Weird.
From what I understand, they wanted to do more with the actor, but he accepted a position on another show and they wanted him to sign a long-term contract, but things didn't work out. According to some interviews I've read (see www.thescifiworld.net/interviews/paul_campbell_01.htm), they decided to kill the character off after this episode.
It's interesting to think of a world where the Greek pantheon still exists. At the very least, the mythology is far more interesting than Christian mythology. No offense to Christians
No. Religion is crap. Belief in a deity is fine and dandy; it harms no one. But religion is a MAN MADE mechanism of manipulation and exploitation, attempting to impose its values based upon ancient myths on everyone and everything it touches.
The twelve colonies had the arrow and knew of at least the existence of the tomb via their scripture, so why did it take them being attacked to even consider exploring the tomb, arrow, etc?
It was mentioned numerous times throughout the show that the Colonials didn't actually know where Kobol was, only that it might have existed and that it might have been where the Colonials came from, according to the Scriptures. Only the more religious people such as the Gemenese and the Sagittarons take the Scriptures as literal truth (while everyone else saw it largely as myths), and even they don't know where Kobol actually was. It was only when the Fleet discovered Kobol that the Colonials realized it was real.
Kolol could have lain in or behind the armistice with the Cylons, necessitating only expeditions with a military presence, which might piss off the Cylons. It's fairly easy to see their contemporary situation pre-warn complicating any search for Kolol.
This scene is one of the key reasons I can't get through rewatching this show again. The Zodiac constellations are only visible from the vicinity of Earth, as in, THIS planet, the one you and I are on. But the "Earth" they were searching for is NOT this planet, and so the Zodiac could not have been a "map" to it. So many once-seemingly awesome revelations and plotlines left retroactively invalidated because the writers were making things up episode by episode instead of having a long term goal.
Didn't they eventually end up on our Earth though? Apollo leads them to look for the Lagoon Nebula, and so they went to the wrong place in error. Looking for the actual constellations in the enormity of the galaxy would indeed be like looking for a needle in a haystack, so they had to latch onto some object they did have knowledge of. Just that they took the wrong step.
A way to interpret this in-universe (since yes, the show was rushed to an ending and we didn't get to see the way this was all supposed to play out) is to remember that behind the entire existence of the Lords of Kobol, the Colonials, the Cylons and the Terrans (us 150,000 years later in the epilogue) there is an inscrutable intelligence at work guiding all of it. That intelligence likely took that into account. The Tomb of Athena may well not have just transported them many light-years to our Earth but to within a few centuries of our time as well such that the 12 Zodiac constellations we recognize would be visible. Constellations change over time as stars move. What we see now looked different a few centuries ago, never mind 150,000 years ago, to say nothing of nebulae which can change in shorter time spans. Why were they shown modern configurations as seen from contemporary Earth, a sight neither they nor their children nor grandchildren nor generations of descendants for 150,000 years would live to see? My theory is *WE* are the 13th Tribe God or whatever intended. The combined DNA of Colonial, Cylon, and early hominids. The key is in what Laura said in scripture and what they saw with their own eyes. Our Earth is the literally the only place where you can look up and see the constellations of the 12 Colonies, and they saw constellations only we, here, now can see. *WE* are the 13th Tribe. Anyway, rather than physical teleportation I view it more realistically as a holographic projection they triggered inside the tomb: Planetarium rather than transporter pad. Still, they were shown the way to our Earth, and happened across "Earth" and the remains of the "13th Tribe" by design. Those ghosts may have just been one of many parts of the Diaspora fleeing a dying Kobol that history forgot. The Colonials were never meant to find the 13th Tribe, only to find the dead world the Final 5 came from (I don't recall if anyone of the characters made that connection in-universe) and move onward to their's and the Cylons' destiny and *become* the 13th Tribe.
This is weirdly inconsistent. Those constellations only fit OUR Earth and only for the past few thousand years. The odds of finding them all at any other time or place are staggeringly small.
Broadly speaking thats true but if the Earth 1 system is relatively near the Sol system (up to at most a few dozen light years as appears to be the case) and along the same line of sight only slightly above or below our position within the plane of the ecliptic; and given this tombs hologram was programed 153,600 years ago which results in only a small amount of stellar drift, it could be that these star patterns were in these configurations as viewd from Earth 1 at that time but not quite these configurations as viewd from this Earth at that time but have since drifted slightly since then into these configurations as viewed from this Earth at the present time (over the past few thousand years, guilded by the hand of the intelligence who doesn't like to be called God)
@@darrenholcomb2266 The authors themselves already admitted they fucked up, you would've need a well versed astronomer to pull that one off. The authors just took what they already knew hehe
Thinking about the Primal Humans they found on our earth, it would have made more sense to say that they was the descendants of the 13th tribe and that was actually Earth they found not the False one that Cylons claimed.
Yes as he said the 13th tribe is cylon. Our earth they found will become what kobol was and they restart a new cycle (maybe). It was the meaning I think.
Then they went and made the first Earth a wasteland and not our Earth. Yet our Earth can see these constellations, but they used this map to find the other Earth. Screwed up the continuity just because they wanted that cliffhanger of finding the first Earth in ruins.
Okay, someone help me out here. This planet is supposed to be we’re humans and cylons came from originally? Then they left to settle 13 colonies? Then, some how, they lost the 13th one, earth in a war? If they were advanced enough for interstellar space travel, then how did they loose all data, all records, all knowledge of their origins except as passages in a bible? Is that part ever explained?
“ all of this has happened before. All of this will happen again”. So just like they gave up technology in the last episode, for some reason they did the same thing a long time ago.
No, by the show's lore, humanity started on Kobol, where they lived with the gods. 13 tribes left Kobol, founding the 12 human colonies and 1 cylon colony (Earrth). It isn't revealed until later that the 13th colony was Cylons, and I'm not sure if it's made clear how their map came to Kobol, but I think it was meant to be a messenger reporting back.
Looking for matching star patterns from a specific pov and then extrapolating that from a different pov to find out the location of the original pov position isn't that hard to find out at all. If you have charted and know the location of the stars in the constellation, a computer can very easily extrapolate from that data where Earth is supposed to be. Kinda stupid reaction from Starbuck.
@@tyranusfan then why would Kara say "We are standing on earth" if it was only a hologram? cz they wouldnt be if it was they would still be standing on Kobol.
@@destinitra Well, for one thing, when the door closes and the lights flicker, you can hear the projector click on. Second, listen to the conversation. They're discussing finding the map, and Adama asks "is Earth supposed to be in one of these constellations?" Kara replies "we're standing on it. Earth is a place you can stand and look up to see the constellations of the 12 colonies."
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You can't see all 12 constellations of OUR earth at the same time from one place/vantage point only a few, but on Cylon Earth you can see all of them. Which in hinsight, shows this map isn't a map to the Earth we all know and love. Earth 1 and Earth 2 (ours) are very close together anyway.
There's actually an early hint in this scene that tells you it's not our Earth: the Lagoon Nebula actually exists, but is in Sagittarius, not Scorpio when seen from earth
@@johnmcternan4157 The stars in the contellations are only close together in projection. In 3 dimensional space, some of them are thousands of light years away from each other, so that even if Cylon earth and new earth were just one solar system away from each other, the constellations would look entirely different. This is simply a plot hole created because the writiers did not plan for the existence of Cylon earth until later.
@@SmokeyBCN They were hedging bets in case the show was cancelled due to the writers' strike. RDM said that it was entirely possible the show would not return after it, so they needed an end point.
@@kylealexander7024 Funny. My wife watched this with me after I had already seen it a few times. She kept bugging me for hints. All I would say is, "The planet you and I are standing upon right now is NOT the actual planet Earth."
I remember when BSG was first aired, everyone kept going o about a great 'twist eding'. i kept thinking.. "not EarthSearch... Not EarthSearch"... And would yah believe it... It was the EarthSearch ending... go figure. A Roald Dahl level of ending twist.
agreed on both statements, but the last 5 minutes don't ruin the series for me. I don't even hate the anti-tech start over decision. I get why some do, but I don't hate it.
@@davidlewis5312 I respect your decision. I just find the not leaving anything behind as dumb and inviting the same cycle to repeat yet again, which undoes especially the last season. Think about it, the Colonials lost the location of Kobol due to a technological dark-age that occurred soon after settling the 13 colonies. They "forgot a lot of their history". The 13th tribe settled Earth and they too, "lost their history" since they forgot resurrection and it had to be rediscovered. Meanwhile the Colonials forgot that the 13th tribe was human cylons. Then when the Colonials rediscover the final five and realize that they and Earth were all human cylons, you would think that someone would say, "Geez, wow. Forgetting one's past is a terrible thing. It definitely leaves us open to great tragedies." Then the final seasons of the show really hammered the theme over and over that they only way to "break the cycle" is to work with your enemies instead of always trying to fight them, to make peace. And baby Hera was the epitome of that idea, where man and machine finally combines to make new life. After finally freeing themselves from the genocidal cylons, you would think that the logical choice if they were going to leave all tech behind was to leave some type of written record. Something that tells their story. Something that is not technology based so they don't lose their history again. Like carving their entire story in an ancient cave, preserving books or something to that effect. Maybe carving their story in a rust proof metal. Idk, my point is that they should preserve their history somehow so their descendants don't repeat the mistakes of the past. But no, that is not what was decided. They decided to voluntarily drop everything and attempt to past their stories through word of mouth until new Earth's future looks almost identical to ours. And if they are on the same trajectory: i.e. massive environmental damage, deep divides due to racism and sexism, on the verge of creating new A.I. life for the sole purpose of doing man's bidding then I see that as a failure. All of the sacrifices that the show's protagonists went through to "break the cycle" means nothing if they didn't do anything but extend the length of the cycle. Sorry for the rant, but that's why I face palmed hard the last 5 minutes of the show.
@@davidlewis5312 Anit-tech was good idea, but carried otu badly. In line with girmdark tone of show they should have had a fraction that wanted to take resources and continue and not with Cylons and make one final decision to confront and wipe them out - giving raise to myth of Cain and Able, and being thrown away from "Heaven" to the Earth for that, considering how their existance must have worsened over the years.
BSG was always better when they got away from “shitty day in the shitty life of a survivor of a holocaust” narrative. I get they wanted to be “real” but Christ, anymore real and I’m sawing my leg off to get away from it.
"Ok, you secondary characters wait outside, this is for primary characters only. Ehhh, Billy, I guess you can come too, but don't say anything ok?"
Poor billy. Such a good little red shirt
Ah, but all those left outside happen to be Cylons, people who will breed with Cylons, or people who would misuse the location of Earth: Zarek, Tyrol, Helo, and Sharon. None are "true believers", or have some other purpose to play.
@michaelmoore5831 black priestess was the red shirt here lol. She did look kinda unintentionally funny getting blown through the air like that 😂
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This show was truly epic in scope and time. I Still miss it.
Yes, nothing has come close except maybe the expanse
@@sonofcy expanse was good but didnt come close to the epicness of this. I read the books and they were pretty good. I never finished the last book though when they were finally starting to explain those mysterious aliens that destroyed the blue goo race.
@@sonofcy This was an amazing show. Still I don’t want all my SF in this mold, I prefer darkness and humor. DS9 and B5 are still great and worth rewatching.
Adama: "So is Earth in one of these constellations?"
Kara: "We're standing on it...we're standing on Earth..."
that line gave me goosebumps when I first saw this ep :)
@@Bearmauls They're so excited to find Earth...but what about finding the original colonies?
@@terp02Andrew your question is a little confusing. Surely you know that the BSG Galactica and the "rag tag fleet", all that is left of humanity, are all that remains of the tribes of the 12 original colonies, because the Cylons destroyed it all. It's the premise of the show that the survivors of the 12 colonies are searching for the lost 13th colony, Earth.
I remember seeing this when it aired. Such a powerful scene. I did, and still do think, though, that Adama should have let Zarek see what they saw. It might have swayed him to Roslin's side and saved them a lot of trouble down the road.
Zarek was underused particularly from season 3 onwards. Always found his relationship with Roslin interesting but never explored properly.
You know they wrote this as they went along right? Zarek and Geta's mutiny was concieved of after this aired..
@@KamalaChameleon the mutiny was part of the "we have one season to wrap all the stories up" cancellation story telling when they were told the 4th season would be the last. Not everything was tied neatly with a bow for sure.
It probably wouldn't have made a difference. Tom Zarek wasn't a believer in prophecies or in Roslin's plan. Tom Zarek was about Tom Zarek and whatever power or control he could obtain.
This was one of the most amazing "you took me there" scenes. When other shows would shy away from anything that threatens the status quo, this was a real game changer.
This is my favourite moment in the entire series (yes even more than Pegasus). It took a 70's sci-fi premise that had always seemed a tad hokey (Earth as the 13th colony), and gave it a context & credibility within the mythology that both series presented. Brilliant storytelling.
The series had many great moments, great battles, and great drama, but this may have been the most beautiful storytelling. The best part is when Starbuck comes to the realization that they were not looking at a map to Earth, but were instead standing upon Earth.
I always loved how BSG used futuristic looking weapons like the Vektor CP1 or the Beretta CX4 Storm.
It’s not in the future 😜
It actually annoyed me that they used the CX4. I’ve shot it, and I instantly was left wondering why a military whose primary enemy is a race of armored machines was using a .40 caliber pistol carbine as their standard counterboarding arm.
@@PhoenixT70 They had chosen Cx4 because futuristic and exotic look, unlike AR. Also - this is clearly antipersonnel weapon, as Centurions required not firearms, but man portable / squad weapons / underbarrel launchers anyway (and nobody seen a Cylon in 40 years ). Stop whining. Good choice. They also speak english.
As ever, the soundtrack is just gorgeous..
I am glad to have the whole series on blueray. Going to start it up.
I just received my Blueray set last week. Although I've seen it before, I wanted a set to study at leisure.
APOLLO: "But at least now we have a map...and a direction."
ALL CHUCKLE & SMILE
BEAT
STARBUCK: "So....how do we get outta here?"
:-)
Well there must be some kind of way outta here..
Jimmy Hendrix knew it!
@@epiendless1128 ask the joker and the king
One of the coolest moments in the whole show!
4:29 Some grass interacting with the camera lol
This is where things would eventually get weird. They find "Earth" and everything is dead. Then they get to another planet at the very end of the series that they name "Earth" which just so happens to have the same exact star pattern as the original dead earth.... How does that work?
Old earth was likely near our earth. Probably only a 100 or so light years.
@@logion567 If it is the same Lagoon nebula which it looks like it is, then you're probably right
@@logion567 Nearst star to earth is 4 light years away would have a completely differnt star pattern in the sky. Even our own constellations change in angle and view to earth due to precesion so the story falls apart if you look in depth but its a fantastic story if you dont look so much into it.
consider the cycle. maybe the blasted ( most recent ) earth was just one in a long line of "earths". maybe their last stop that they named earth, was indeed the original earth... the one where the cycle began, and hopefully ends. then again, it could all be writer error :P
This is called 'making it up as you go along'. They never planned for earth 1 and earth 2 at this point in show
I just finished Another Life. God, Katee is so young and beautiful!
I couldn't make it through that show, the screenplay is awful
Anyone see her in bionic woman? Did that show even last a full season? It was post BSG pretty sure.
I love how BSG was influenced heavily by the ancienct Greek Mythology. When your favorite show uses your's mythology makes it even better and more enjoyable.
Probably my most favorite part of the mythos is that the Twelve Colonies are named after the 12 Zodiac Signs.
But the whole series itself? Based on Mormonism.
@@iamtenzin4409 you saying their polygamists? I guess the human race is low and has to repopulate somehow...
@@bigmacdoubleyouv Glen A. Larson, the creator of the original BSG was a devout Mormon who based the overall story on themes central to the tenets of LDS.
No, no, no.... you've got it backwards. Ancient Greek mythology is based on BSG.
This was a fantastic scene
Perfect moment for a BSG-SG crossover as these symbols are also glyphs on the Stargate
No, they're completely different...
@Hooligan Boogaloo
It's like they're two completely different shows....
@@atticstattic yes BSG is based in earths past stargate is in pressent time
@@filip1997andersson
Stellar drift, anyone?
@@atticstattic the story of battlestar galatica takes place roughly 150k years in earths past, so stellar drift wouldnt apply here since stargate is in the present time and they are on the same earth just in different times
yeah i still miss it also i watch it on reruns all the time ,
Someone went to a lot of work building this star chart, can anyone take it, reverse the course and find the point of origin?
I know it's fiction, but it should be an interesting exercise in astronavigation.
I'm not an astronomer or anything, but the short answer is 'no'. Why? Those constellations would be a different pattern relative to your position in the galaxy. Assuming Galactica is in our galaxy and nowhere near Earth, and it is, so it seems, so these constellations would be meaningless until you're actually on Earth. The nebula Apollo points out could be an easy point to look for, but there are actually a LOT of nebula out there. Though, and it's not said on the show here, nebula have distinct forms. Again; relative to where you observe, AND compare to this 'map' image, you MIGHT be able to identify one... if yer clever. Sorta like recognizing a cow by looking up it's ass. So, I reckon Apollo is right astronomically. Sorta?
Agreed, but also constellations can be interpolated and extrapolated using computer modeling, making for theoretical constellations as they are seen from other star systems.
I suppose so, though that's never been done in science that I know of. Hey, MAYBE Galactica can do the modeling you suggest. It's not possible today, as far as I know.
Well, let's take a given area of space, isolate it into a 3d cube. Then take it and populate it with stars at varying distances and positions relative to each other. Then look at it from one side of the cube, then shift it to another position. You can see how the constellations change shape. Once you have the 3 dimensional coordinates of objects in a given section of space, you can easily watch how their positions change in relation to your position. We do this all the time in 3D modeling and printing.
Well said, and logical. My whole argument hinges on my belief we cannot do 'it' because of our limited relative point of reference on Earth. You seem to say science can extrapolate the positions of 'it' somehow. Yes, your argument is fine. I'm just not sure science has that ability as of now. Hey, said the guy who reads the odd science article yea? ;p
They open the tomb, and from behind all of a sudden: "Return the slaaaab!"
Such a brilliantly written series.
The first half of it, anyway.
@@antred11 I will give you that
What a helluva piece of storytelling
Anyone knows the name of the soundtrack when they are looking at the constellation?
Does anyone know the name of the song playing when Starbuck and Roslin deduced that they were actually standing on earth?
"astral body M8" That was a bit much for anyone into astronomy, as that is the same name and designation we give that object in the current day. Stretches the suspension of disbelief to the breakin point. Also, it would not look the same that many years in the distant past.
They aren't actually speaking English. They appear to say M8 and Lagoon Nebula because that is what whatever they really called it translates to.
what they didn't realise was that the real Earth was destroyed by a Vogon constructor fleet making way for a new interstellar highway, the plans were on display at the local planning office in Alpha Centauri for 50 Earth years, but nobody bothered to look. This is why the colonials had to go to Earth mark 2.
Meaning BSG was the adventures of the Golgafrinchans?
1:56 I’ve watched this scene many, many times and never noticed the cheesy organ till now. I wonder if this was intended as a throwback to late 50/early to mid 60s sci fi. Sounds a little like ST TOS.
This storyline is way deeper then the original.
Nice to add flash / jump drive effect. But in order for this to work, implies form of jump drive that also can transfer to SPECIFIED point in time - or that 'earth' would change in millenia. And if each Colony had constellation - well it points to vastly distributed interstellar / galaxy wide civilisation that through successive cycles ground itself to Kobol and Cyranus Star System... but writing wise, it is Deus Ex Machina by Moore Again.
There goes Starbuck stealing the scene
When they showed the Lagoon Nebula I knew the earth they were searching for wasn’t ours.
I seem to remember a discussion about this and RDM had explained it, but I cannot remember exactly what was said. I think it was something about them looking at it from the other side of the nebula? Curious to hear your view?
@@michaellonergan2698 In the video, they see the nebula in the constellation Scorpio. In reality, its in the constellation Sagittarius.
@@ReddwarfIV From our Earth is Saggitarius. From their - it's in in Scropio. And since Baltaresque-Angel referrs in end episode "to real, Earth, before this one" (which they found nuked due to writers strike ;) ) it stands to reason that they are on Earth from different cycle, looking therefore they end up on Our Earth. But obviously, in-uninverse it wasn't the one they were looking for.
Would make sense seeing how someone traveled to 13th Tribe Earth and back to Kobol.
Anybody else notice the resemblance of rock formation to _Stonehenge_ ?
What a luck Saggitaron statue isnt damaged like others
Higgs Boson Maybe seeing that it’s the lock & the arrow was the key they probably made the statue more durable than the others on purpose
Well as a Sagittarius I can confirm we're made of tough stuff 🤪😏👍
"Deus ex Machina" trope.
a map and a direction and they still mucked it up
I wonder how the builders of the temple knew how to depict the Earth's sky? The 13th tribe didn't know where it was, and I doubt they used sub-light speed to come back to Kobol and update the temple's hologram. Did they have a vision like everyone else, or what?
Didn't this episode mess with the chronology that ends up being established? (1) the "ancient" names of the colonies are their present day names and (2) the "original" colonial flags were actually star patterns that were viewable from Earth. For those things to be true for the Colonials (i.e., for those to be their names and flags while they were on Kobol), then Earth (at least the Cylon one) would already have had to have been settled. Either that or by random chance they found a planet that had twelve constellations that happened to match the twelve Colonial symbols and the name thing is also coincidence.
This hints at the 13th tribe being Human, not Cylon. The Colonies named themselves after their gods, not their original names, which is the zodiac signs names. Earth is always the original long forgotten starting point of the cycle. Kobol is the mid point of the first half of the cycle. It is remembered, then the colonial half of the cycle takes over. The thing is, the Cylons never find the true Earth. The one Galactica arrives over. The others are all Cylon attempts at copying or interpreting the legend of the 13th tribe. As for the 13th tribe, they only have two destinations; Kobol or True Earth, no other options for them. They also always refuse to build the Cylons, the other 12 always make them.
I remember the first time I watched this I thought it meant they had been teleported to Earth for a few minutes! :D
I watched this many years ago and had a copy of the mini series at one time. Wanted to watch it again and found it on my Roku device and watched it again. Bought the entire Blueray disc set and still can't find this scene. Any one know what episode this aired in? Seems kind of crazy that after watching 4 times and doing a search, that I can't find it. Must be getting senile.
Season 2, Episode 7.
Basically...the past civilization was a 1-2 level civilization probably a settlement of a 3
I should have seen the Final season twists from this the first time around. I'm a star watcher and I simply thought the series was cutting corners on accuracy because the patterns of the constellations were off. However, hindsight being what it is, I can see what they did here.
The star patterns on the constellations are different than what they are today looking at them in the night sky on Earth.
100,000 years ago, the stars were in slightly different positions than they are now. The constellation patterns would have looked different then.
There's also the fact that the Earth of the 13th Tribe (spoiler alert) isn't our Earth.
It's amazing no matter how many people die along the way the core always survive or get brought back to life
And the deaths of others who die long the journey does very little to dampen their spirits
I mean at least 2 people died just a few minutes ago and there is not even a sniffle from any of them
Everyone lost their families and friends in a holocaust, that tends to harden people when you are fighting to survive
This reminds me, I've been hearing a lot about this idea recently. The ancient Romans did figure out steam power (Hero's engine), but never put it to any use. The idea is that had they, then judging by our own timeline, it's possible that they could've made it into space by the 6th century. Hard to imagine, huh? I know Christianity would've still been a factor, but perhaps Christianity was a sign of the Empire's decline. Perhaps if there had been an industrial revolution in Rome, it would've helped them stabilize the society and hold onto their territory. Without the Empire's decline, perhaps polytheism would've remain the predominant form of religion. I know that's a lot of speculation, but hey, it's fun to think about.
Anyhow, if the Romans had mastered space travel in the 6th century, then by this point in our history perhaps humanity could have made it out of the Solar system. It would be sorta cool if BSG was based on that concept. Perhaps it is, tbh I don't know much about the backstory.
Anyhow, this scene just got me thinking about that. Perhaps the story is taking place right now, just in an alternate timeline.
Or maybe not lol.
(If you're interested, I urge you to check out Hero's engine en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aeolipile and consider the world that could've been)
Ur thinking cartoon history, the Romans didn't have anywhere near the technology to pull of viable steam engines, Hero's engine didn't work at all, a viable steam engine requires 1750s level of fine metal work.
The point is the concept was there. It's not "cartoon history" when it's legit history.
nehor, who's to say that they couldn't have developed the metalworking techniques to meet the requirements?
Anyhow, it's just a fun thought. I'm not certain it could've happened, but maybe it could've. Who knows? The Romans *were* brilliant engineers, after all, but maybe their society was too turbulent. Or maybe their dependence on slaves really was a drawback, and hindered their development.
Battlestar Galactica takes place over 150,000 years ago.
Bb Cc I'm sure atheists and pagans could walk. I mean, I'm not Christian and I can walk just fine.
Anyhow, I don't see a causal link between religion and technological development. Yes, it does happen that they were Christians when these things happened, but I'm fairly certain it wasn't *because* they were Christian.
I'm not anti-Christian, though, so please don't freak out on me. It's good to believe in something, and religion gives people a shared identity, which is what we need more than anything right now.
The greatest scene in telly history.
l thought that was the tomb? l think we were in the lobby 😂
Can someone explain that room? Did they essentially turn on a holodeck?
Holodeck, planetarium, call it what you like.
@@napoleonsolo5929 I'm getting my man back!
mystical forces
cylon projection
the actions of ascended beings
take your pick
Moore's "Deus Ex Machina" trope cause we said so. Also we see flash reminescent of jump drive activation - teleport of sorts.
So... Was this a holodeck thing or one of the VR world things like In Caprica?
Yeah pretty interesting they acted like it was some normal tech they never once exhibited in the show.
Having watched the original BSG in 1978-1980, this was the scene that finally tied into the original mythology. OG BSG was based on Mormon mythology mixed with all the pseudo-science that was popular in the 1970s -- astrology, "Chariots of the Gods," etc.
Finding a "Stonehenge" with the twelve astrological signs, the origin of the names for the twelve colonies in the original, was a reassurance for we OGs that the show's roots were going to be honored.
And as others pointed out ... The directions are not to our Earth. Their ancestors went from Kobol to the twelve colonies plus the 13th, which they called "Earth" but it wasn't our Earth. It was only after discovering their Earth was destroyed that they were led by "God" to our Earth 150,000 years before our time.
So this confused me at the end of the show: I'm assuming the Earth in the Tomb of Athena is the 13th tribe Earth (because that makes sense). But when they arrive at the final planet and they name it Earth (which turns out to be our modern day Earth), our Earth is the place where you can see all 12 constellations. So was the Tomb of Athena actually leading them to our Earth, or do both Earths just coincidentally have visibility of the constellations?
Well the stars around the galaxy rotate around the central super black hole. So technically it is possible (though still a big stretch) for a nearby planet ~several light years away to have had a similar star pattern a few hundred thousand years ago.
BSG is a little closer to Star Wars than the (slightly more grounded in science) Star Trek & The Orville. eg. Details on propulsion is rarely given, BSG could be equilivilent in technology to an early 22nd century Earth. Rather than the further future of 24-25th Century Star Trek/The Orville.
The Technology of BSG is similar to our own just with a few significant advances in space flight (FTL & Artificial Gravity). Short lived prequel Caprica more like a 80's/90's technology (though a 20's feel to the show).
No, the Tomb of Athena doesn't point them towards our earth, but the one of the 13th Tribe. The Lagoon Nebula is not present in the constellation of Scorpio for us, and RDM admitted to placing this as a clue that the Earth they were looking for wasn't ours. In our view, the nebula would be closer to Sagittarius than to Scorpio.
I found it especially interesting that the constellations are laid out as they will be seen in 150,000 years from the "wrong" Earth. Apparently the supernatural entity behind the whole story wasn't expecting the Colonials for 150 millennia. Fortunately it corrected its mistake by giving Kara different directions to both Earths. So this whole Tomb of Athena thing ultimately amounted to nothing.
@@eleanorheptinstall5354 i agree, esp that the nebula is around saggitarius, not where they saw it in the show, it does seem to imply its planets from neighouring galaxies, you can see the constelations from alpha centauri too for ex
@@phrophetsamgames yes its basically a hint that we are neughbouring galaxies, you can see the constelations from alpha centauri too
I've always wanted to know if Ron Moore ever explained where he would have liked the story to go had the show not been cancelled. Has anyone ever seen him answer that? If so, please shoot me a link or something.
It wasn't canceled it concluded it's story.
It wasn't canceled it concluded it's story.
@@rc59191 it was cancelled. They allowed the story to conclude with a 4th season, but originally they wanted it to go on much longer. It wasn't a planned ending. Season 3 didnt do so well in the ratings, so they allowed for a 4th season to end the show. Some simple google searches will confirm this.
@@bigmacdoubleyouv The show was iffy from the beginning, but it really started to go off the rails in the 3rd season.
The chemical wedding and fama fraternitis are the handbooks....
I never got why Billy the presidents bagman (or was he supposed to be COS?) got to see this. There was huge symbolism of a nuclear family when it came to BSG, the most prominent example being Roslin Adama and Kara & Lee. As the leading characters and parts if that family it made sense that they each saw this vision.....then ya got that kid Billy in the background who gets killed of like 3 episodes later. Weird.
From what I understand, they wanted to do more with the actor, but he accepted a position on another show and they wanted him to sign a long-term contract, but things didn't work out. According to some interviews I've read (see www.thescifiworld.net/interviews/paul_campbell_01.htm), they decided to kill the character off after this episode.
@@crazyrabbits He wasn't right for Dualla, anyways...
@@crazyrabbits He went over to the NBC remake of Knight Rider with Val Kilmer as the voice of K.I.T.T.
It didn't last long.
@@frankpinmtl Neither was Lee "Rake" Adama
So did each Tribe come from a said planet in each of their constellations?
It's interesting to think of a world where the Greek pantheon still exists. At the very least, the mythology is far more interesting than Christian mythology. No offense to Christians
char jl none taken, the religion / mythology that you haven't grown up with / surrounded by is always fascinating
Christians are annoyingly simple. "There is only one and it's this. No it can't be that interpretation of it, it's THIS and JUST this."
Mik, not all of them are like that. It's better to focus on the religion itself than the people
No. Religion is crap. Belief in a deity is fine and dandy; it harms no one. But religion is a MAN MADE mechanism of manipulation and exploitation, attempting to impose its values based upon ancient myths on everyone and everything it touches.
Good god, this was never meant to be a religious debate. I'll delete my original comment if it goes any further.
The twelve colonies had the arrow and knew of at least the existence of the tomb via their scripture, so why did it take them being attacked to even consider exploring the tomb, arrow, etc?
It just considered a myth.
ok, but even archeologists have explored areas that are the basis for myth. Guess it's just best not to think about it too much, eh? lol
It was mentioned numerous times throughout the show that the Colonials didn't actually know where Kobol was, only that it might have existed and that it might have been where the Colonials came from, according to the Scriptures. Only the more religious people such as the Gemenese and the Sagittarons take the Scriptures as literal truth (while everyone else saw it largely as myths), and even they don't know where Kobol actually was.
It was only when the Fleet discovered Kobol that the Colonials realized it was real.
Kolol could have lain in or behind the armistice with the Cylons, necessitating only expeditions with a military presence, which might piss off the Cylons.
It's fairly easy to see their contemporary situation pre-warn complicating any search for Kolol.
The scriptures said Kobol was cursed and anyone who set foot there would pay a blood price
knock knock
Which colony did Cancer become?
This scene is one of the key reasons I can't get through rewatching this show again. The Zodiac constellations are only visible from the vicinity of Earth, as in, THIS planet, the one you and I are on. But the "Earth" they were searching for is NOT this planet, and so the Zodiac could not have been a "map" to it. So many once-seemingly awesome revelations and plotlines left retroactively invalidated because the writers were making things up episode by episode instead of having a long term goal.
No they had a long term goal but they had to rush to the ending in season 4 as there was not going to be a season 5.
Didn't they eventually end up on our Earth though? Apollo leads them to look for the Lagoon Nebula, and so they went to the wrong place in error. Looking for the actual constellations in the enormity of the galaxy would indeed be like looking for a needle in a haystack, so they had to latch onto some object they did have knowledge of. Just that they took the wrong step.
A way to interpret this in-universe (since yes, the show was rushed to an ending and we didn't get to see the way this was all supposed to play out) is to remember that behind the entire existence of the Lords of Kobol, the Colonials, the Cylons and the Terrans (us 150,000 years later in the epilogue) there is an inscrutable intelligence at work guiding all of it. That intelligence likely took that into account. The Tomb of Athena may well not have just transported them many light-years to our Earth but to within a few centuries of our time as well such that the 12 Zodiac constellations we recognize would be visible. Constellations change over time as stars move. What we see now looked different a few centuries ago, never mind 150,000 years ago, to say nothing of nebulae which can change in shorter time spans. Why were they shown modern configurations as seen from contemporary Earth, a sight neither they nor their children nor grandchildren nor generations of descendants for 150,000 years would live to see?
My theory is *WE* are the 13th Tribe God or whatever intended. The combined DNA of Colonial, Cylon, and early hominids. The key is in what Laura said in scripture and what they saw with their own eyes. Our Earth is the literally the only place where you can look up and see the constellations of the 12 Colonies, and they saw constellations only we, here, now can see. *WE* are the 13th Tribe.
Anyway, rather than physical teleportation I view it more realistically as a holographic projection they triggered inside the tomb: Planetarium rather than transporter pad. Still, they were shown the way to our Earth, and happened across "Earth" and the remains of the "13th Tribe" by design. Those ghosts may have just been one of many parts of the Diaspora fleeing a dying Kobol that history forgot. The Colonials were never meant to find the 13th Tribe, only to find the dead world the Final 5 came from (I don't recall if anyone of the characters made that connection in-universe) and move onward to their's and the Cylons' destiny and *become* the 13th Tribe.
How is Adama pushing that? Didn't he just have major chest surgery?
Epi Endless lets be real. That was like 2% Adama and Apollo and like 98% Helo 😂😂😂
Love it!
Nebula is The Beacon?
This is weirdly inconsistent. Those constellations only fit OUR Earth and only for the past few thousand years. The odds of finding them all at any other time or place are staggeringly small.
That's no issue you can't calculate if you know what to look for.
Broadly speaking thats true but if the Earth 1 system is relatively near the Sol system (up to at most a few dozen light years as appears to be the case) and along the same line of sight only slightly above or below our position within the plane of the ecliptic; and given this tombs hologram was programed 153,600 years ago which results in only a small amount of stellar drift, it could be that these star patterns were in these configurations as viewd from Earth 1 at that time but not quite these configurations as viewd from this Earth at that time but have since drifted slightly since then into these configurations as viewed from this Earth at the present time (over the past few thousand years, guilded by the hand of the intelligence who doesn't like to be called God)
@@darrenholcomb2266 The authors themselves already admitted they fucked up, you would've need a well versed astronomer to pull that one off. The authors just took what they already knew hehe
Constellations have no actually meaning they are pariedolia
Thinking about the Primal Humans they found on our earth, it would have made more sense to say that they was the descendants of the 13th tribe and that was actually Earth they found not the False one that Cylons claimed.
but the 13th tribe were cylons
Yes as he said the 13th tribe is cylon. Our earth they found will become what kobol was and they restart a new cycle (maybe). It was the meaning I think.
The "arrow" of Athena will open the door and it opens when Helo(Athena's lover) pushes it....he's an arrow?
Wasn't that an arrow of Apollo? In regards to actual arrow and tomb of Athena, not Sharon "Athena" Agathon
Then they went and made the first Earth a wasteland and not our Earth. Yet our Earth can see these constellations, but they used this map to find the other Earth. Screwed up the continuity just because they wanted that cliffhanger of finding the first Earth in ruins.
Okay, someone help me out here. This planet is supposed to be we’re humans and cylons came from originally?
Then they left to settle 13 colonies?
Then, some how, they lost the 13th one, earth in a war?
If they were advanced enough for interstellar space travel, then how did they loose all data, all records, all knowledge of their origins except as passages in a bible?
Is that part ever explained?
“ all of this has happened before. All of this will happen again”. So just like they gave up technology in the last episode, for some reason they did the same thing a long time ago.
@@AWriterWandering 🚲 It's a cycle.
Rise of technology , creation of AI,
war and loss of Earth , the finding
of Earth and loss of technology.
No, by the show's lore, humanity started on Kobol, where they lived with the gods. 13 tribes left Kobol, founding the 12 human colonies and 1 cylon colony (Earrth). It isn't revealed until later that the 13th colony was Cylons, and I'm not sure if it's made clear how their map came to Kobol, but I think it was meant to be a messenger reporting back.
I think Star Trek misplaced one of their holodecks.
Looking for matching star patterns from a specific pov and then extrapolating that from a different pov to find out the location of the original pov position isn't that hard to find out at all. If you have charted and know the location of the stars in the constellation, a computer can very easily extrapolate from that data where Earth is supposed to be. Kinda stupid reaction from Starbuck.
So were they actually teleported to the grassy area and if so how did they get back?
Pretty sure it was just a hologram
Back? Ctrl+Z, of course.
@@tyranusfan then why would Kara say "We are standing on earth" if it was only a hologram? cz they wouldnt be if it was they would still be standing on Kobol.
@@destinitra Well, for one thing, when the door closes and the lights flicker, you can hear the projector click on. Second, listen to the conversation. They're discussing finding the map, and Adama asks "is Earth supposed to be in one of these constellations?" Kara replies "we're standing on it. Earth is a place you can stand and look up to see the constellations of the 12 colonies."
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But they are on cylon earth
And yet our earth has the same constellations
You can't see all 12 constellations of OUR earth at the same time from one place/vantage point only a few, but on Cylon Earth you can see all of them. Which in hinsight, shows this map isn't a map to the Earth we all know and love.
Earth 1 and Earth 2 (ours) are very close together anyway.
There's actually an early hint in this scene that tells you it's not our Earth: the Lagoon Nebula actually exists, but is in Sagittarius, not Scorpio when seen from earth
@@johnmcternan4157 The stars in the contellations are only close together in projection. In 3 dimensional space, some of them are thousands of light years away from each other, so that even if Cylon earth and new earth were just one solar system away from each other, the constellations would look entirely different. This is simply a plot hole created because the writiers did not plan for the existence of Cylon earth until later.
@@SmokeyBCN They were hedging bets in case the show was cancelled due to the writers' strike. RDM said that it was entirely possible the show would not return after it, so they needed an end point.
Jk the whole planet was nuked. April Fools!
Which one...and is this really earth?
@@kylealexander7024 Funny. My wife watched this with me after I had already seen it a few times. She kept bugging me for hints. All I would say is, "The planet you and I are standing upon right now is NOT the actual planet Earth."
Except it doesn’t make sense... all of those are constellations seen from earth… OUR earth! Not cylon earth.
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I remember when BSG was first aired, everyone kept going o about a great 'twist eding'.
i kept thinking.. "not EarthSearch... Not EarthSearch"...
And would yah believe it... It was the EarthSearch ending... go figure. A Roald Dahl level of ending twist.
Well how about that
Anunnaki
I hated the ending, but BSG is still my fav sci-fi show of all time.
agreed on both statements, but the last 5 minutes don't ruin the series for me. I don't even hate the anti-tech start over decision. I get why some do, but I don't hate it.
@@davidlewis5312 I respect your decision. I just find the not leaving anything behind as dumb and inviting the same cycle to repeat yet again, which undoes especially the last season. Think about it, the Colonials lost the location of Kobol due to a technological dark-age that occurred soon after settling the 13 colonies. They "forgot a lot of their history". The 13th tribe settled Earth and they too, "lost their history" since they forgot resurrection and it had to be rediscovered. Meanwhile the Colonials forgot that the 13th tribe was human cylons. Then when the Colonials rediscover the final five and realize that they and Earth were all human cylons, you would think that someone would say, "Geez, wow. Forgetting one's past is a terrible thing. It definitely leaves us open to great tragedies." Then the final seasons of the show really hammered the theme over and over that they only way to "break the cycle" is to work with your enemies instead of always trying to fight them, to make peace. And baby Hera was the epitome of that idea, where man and machine finally combines to make new life. After finally freeing themselves from the genocidal cylons, you would think that the logical choice if they were going to leave all tech behind was to leave some type of written record. Something that tells their story. Something that is not technology based so they don't lose their history again. Like carving their entire story in an ancient cave, preserving books or something to that effect. Maybe carving their story in a rust proof metal. Idk, my point is that they should preserve their history somehow so their descendants don't repeat the mistakes of the past. But no, that is not what was decided. They decided to voluntarily drop everything and attempt to past their stories through word of mouth until new Earth's future looks almost identical to ours. And if they are on the same trajectory: i.e. massive environmental damage, deep divides due to racism and sexism, on the verge of creating new A.I. life for the sole purpose of doing man's bidding then I see that as a failure. All of the sacrifices that the show's protagonists went through to "break the cycle" means nothing if they didn't do anything but extend the length of the cycle. Sorry for the rant, but that's why I face palmed hard the last 5 minutes of the show.
@@davidlewis5312 Anit-tech was good idea, but carried otu badly. In line with girmdark tone of show they should have had a fraction that wanted to take resources and continue and not with Cylons and make one final decision to confront and wipe them out - giving raise to myth of Cain and Able, and being thrown away from "Heaven" to the Earth for that, considering how their existance must have worsened over the years.
Is this the part where somebody has to say....she can look for the milky way in my pants!!! sorry ,just realized it was me.....
BSG was always better when they got away from “shitty day in the shitty life of a survivor of a holocaust” narrative. I get they wanted to be “real” but Christ, anymore real and I’m sawing my leg off to get away from it.