CAN THE £50K 2024 HONDA CIVIC TYPE R 'TURN' THIS VW MAN?
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- Опубликовано: 2 июл 2024
- In this UNSPONSORED video I share with you a brief test drive of the current generation FL5 Honda Civic Type R. As a MK7 Golf GTI Clubsport S owner, you can't ignore the Type R as it was the FK2 gen car the GTI took the front wheel drive Nordschleife lap record from and the FK8 took the record back and this FL5 holds the current record today.
Like the Clubsport S, it's held it very high esteem for its dynamics by the motoring press but unlike the GTI, the FK8 and this FL5 version to a degree do shout a bid loudly about their performance. I belieive dynamics should not be the be all and end all for a hot hatch, it needs to do a lot of things very well. In this video which was filmed in less than half an hour, I try and decide if it's a better all rounder hot hatch than a GTI.
This video can be divided into the following sections;
0:00 teasers
0:07 graphics by @haslerdesigns
0:10 what this video is about
1:27 FL5 Civic Type R stats
2:40 exterior tour
4:27 the interior
8:36 under the bonnet
9:28 driving on Millbrook's hill course
13:05 100 mph on Millbrook's high speed bowl
14:50 the verdict 
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I fail to understand why you want a “hot hatch” capable of 169 mph to look like a car that your Gran takes to Tesco ?? It shouts “I’m a Type R” and so it should well done Honda I say 👏👏👏👏👏
anyone above the age of 22 is gonna look a right dick driving this thing round tbh
RenaultSport Megane gave the flared arches without the wing, if preferred. The overall presence is quite similar. Fair play to both brands for doing the special wider arches -- I'm not sure why VW doesn't bother to do that (Audi do so on the RS3?).
it shouts im a boy racer and a bit of a bellend 🤣
@@orbytl2799 And a Porsche GT3 RS or even a Kermit green Audi RS3 doesn't? :raises eyebrow: The idea German manufacturers don't have lairy colours and bodykits is plainly untrue.
@@TassieLorenzo yeah you can get away with it if it has a porsche or audi badge on it
a front wheel drive car with a honda badge and a load of tacky stuff plastered on it, not so much 🤣
After being V.A.G technician for over 27 years and driving hondas I would take a honda all day now work for Honda. Everything work for ever the mk 8 golf platform is a joke
good review ive got the fk2 type r i used to own a mk5 golf r32 and ive driven a mk7 r and s3 so glad i bought the type r
Thanks Andrew, great to see you do this particular beast. Manual box ☑️ No bloody capacitive crap ☑️☑️😁
So jealous , it’s a beauty
I like everything about the FL5 apart from the cup holders in the middle of the back seat.
More than plenty of room to make it a 5 seater.
I do think they should cost 10k less. That interior is so much more functional than so many modern cars, I can look past the plastics because the actual important parts are nice quality
And it has actual physical controls for heating and ventilation rather than a touchscreen.
Complaints of a cheap interior yet VAG use touchscreens which is a cost saving , cheap solution rather than analogue controls.
The high price is possibly because they don't want to sell too many because of the affect on their WLTP CO2/km, it also has 10% (9.X%) import tariff because it's not made in Europe unlike the older ones. I understand that most of the production allocation goes to the Japanese market domestically.
@@TassieLorenzo I doubt honda is making too much money per type R too, I think if they cost 10k less honda prob be making no money
Last of the breed ....yes it's expensive but everything is now. Future classic without a doubt
A used previous gen car seems to be the wise choice, not expensive, lots to choose from, wing optional and dynamically still a cut about everything else in class.
Nice film. Honda have offered a black interior in the past for people who want that (on the FK8 Sportline and on the FD2), they should do that again IMO.
I had a D reg fiat uno turbo ie and that had red carpets. God I loved that car. Amazing dials but so fast back in the day. Loved it 😂
Hi had a G plate Mk2. Had a hydrid turbo too. Loved the boost gauge as standard too. Very rare car now
I had my name down for one of these before they were released, but pulled out as soon as they released the price. 50k is way too much for a CTR. I don’t care how good it is.
Some guy from Honda was interviewed and said they had to make a profit on them hence the price - I hope he got sacked because profit in cars is about shifting metal, if they were cheaper they'd sell more and each one would cost Honda less. Having said that the FK8 was relatively cheap buy they still didn't sell that many.
I did exactly the same thing £12000 more than the fk8 ridiculous
@@volkswizard I honestly cannot see where all the money went if they needed to change circa 50k to turn a profit , no doubt it’s a good car, but it’s full of cheap plastic. I honestly expected it to be under 40k. They definitely would’ve had my order if they’d priced it competitively. Problem with the FK8 was it was ridiculously ugly, which put off a lot of buyers. I certainly couldn’t live with the looks.
Guys, I think your missing a vital point why the price went up. Swindon factory shut in the UK. Hence they now have to pay import tax and are limited how many cars can be brought into the UK now .
@@azamchaudhriGood old Thatcherism. She was happy to drive industry out of the UK, now you guys don't make anything anymore
I am a fan of VW's more mundane offerings and always end up back in one when the daily needs replacing. But for performance I am a JDM man and Id have the Civic over any of the ubiquitous hot golfs - but for the price. Tbh though, I am yet to be persuaded to replace my V5 STi RA with anything more modern - as quick, more raw and more fun. Just getting very expensive to keep on the road...
Never been a huge Honda fan but I did have an FN2 for a while, which I kinda regret getting rid of, because it really surprised me how good it was. Very stiff and the power band can be a bit frustrating at times but it handled brilliantly and, when you got a change to really stretch its legs, it really was massive fun chasing the VTEC crossover and redline. However, I massively miss my Cupra 290 DSG more!
Didn’t even put the car in R mode. Obviously didn’t do his homework because he is biased towards German brands. Also what about going into individual mode and customising everything to suit your preferences. In Australia it costs 73000 which is about 38000 English pounds.
Sorry to disappoint you but it has no competition as a driver focused car with a beautiful manual transmission. Over engineered handling and balance. Huge Brembo brakes.
Some people just have no idea how much engineering went into this car.Better if people who don’t understand what this car is about stick to unreliable European cars with a DSG transmission so they can win the traffic light drag.😂😂
Nice review, but interesting that despite these being out for 2 years I don't think I've ever seen one on the road!
Nice segue from rear cupholders to cockpit!
Great short video - would love to see one of your longer road tests in it - it’s certainly an acquired taste, compared to the VAG group hot hatches, but, I have always enjoyed being a bit left field with my car choices
Left field is good and I wish I was more adventurous (Aston Martin instead of Porsche for example) but there is always something that I can’t live with - for example why does Civic have red front seats and black at the back? This doesn’t not make it faster and just looks sloppy and not acceptable at any price let alone 50 big ones. I didn’t notice this until the edit BTW
@@volkswizard "for example why does Civic have red front seats and black at the back? " It's tradition, the same as two seatbelts in the back row only (which is dumb, but tradition). At one point, the Integra Type R was available with red *or* blue *or* yellow *or* black interior (with matching carpets and floormats), but ALL of them had a black rear seat.
very nice review
Physical climate controls how fantastic
hmmm. says seats are alright, they are probably some of the best seats in a production car out right now. Talks about the fake vent out back but does not mention that every other vent is actually functional, also the wing is functional. Talks about interior but its actually a great interior, the red carpets are wicked and way better than all the dumb touch screen stuff that manufacturers are putting on their cars now a days. Also this car is pretty subdued, appart from the wing and the tripple exhaust its a wide body civic, its pretty handsome too, honda hit the nail in the head.
Great car. I drove a ep3 for 16yrs not one problem. I dont like the black spoiler they should have kept it body coloured. And the seemed to have dropped the nighthawk black too
Im in a 1st generation gr yaris cp it cost me 34k ! I could not afford the latest yaris up 11k in 3 years 😢 good job im still in love with it ❤
Sure it’s a great drivers’ tool but the price is the ridiculous part. £51k cash or for example on PCP £6873 deposit + 47 x £660. Ouch. That’s BMW M2 territory, and remember this is just a high powered Honda Civic with a 2 litre turbo and boy racer looks. I’m not surprised they’ve not sold many 🤣
I don't see why it needs to be £50k, there is nothing exotic about it anywhere. OK it's had a lot of calibration but it's just a 4 banger turbo making similar output to an EA888. Maybe the dampers are special but those on the Clubsport S which also do comfort and harder are nothing special from Monroe and cost the same as any other VW DCC shock and it's only 3 seconds behind on the 'ring. It's a mystery.
Anything that is £7k down and £700 a month is just rude. No car is worth that, especially when it's not yours. Over 4yrs as well.
@@volkswizard I'm pretty sure its more than 3 seconds behind, those are the times from the old ring, the track has altered and extended making those old times considered moot today.
How much is a comparable golf gti now?
@@richardrichard9631 The 8.5 Clubsport is going to be roughly £2k more than the base GTI which has gone on sale at £38,900. The top spec Golf R Black Edition will be £44k ish. Just shows how mad Honda are here 🫣
Looks mega, loads better than a golf
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Interesting review.
I would be interested to know what you think of other rivals, like the 128Ti, Megane RS and i30N.
I’m miffed that I missed the 128 ti when it was on BMW’s press fleet and don’t think it’s coming back. M135i was good though. I30N I drove at Millbrook in 2019 I think. Need to try auto version but again out of production so needs to be used. Same issue with Megane sadly but will try and find used examples in due course 👍
@@volkswizard Thank you. (I wasn't expecting a reply!) If you ever get a chance, I think your style would lend itself well to such a comparison on video.
Buying a 2025 in black, may do something about that tri exhaust tho it is a bit much
great video thank you very much
but the clubsport s looks way better and smaller modern hot hatch are very big
I love the Type R I’ve seen only one here in Brisbane there over $70,000 way to expensive and only a manual option not an everyday car for me
Thanks for the review! Would you say the Clubsport S feels just as special?
My pleasure Patrick. It’s tricky because the Honda is so different to Clubsport S. The way VW differentiate performance models is different to Honda. They are more subtle and classy and while you can’t choose different colour interiors (like with the Honda) the default trim is designed to offend nobody and with the standard bucket seats which complement the rest of the interior it’s special without being garish. No back seats is always going to make a Golf (in fact any hatch) special. VW could have used non standard cars like Honda did for the ring record but they took the seats out and were brave enough to keep that for the production CSS. GTI ride is pretty plush in comfort mode which means it’s easy to forget you are something special, I suspect Civic is firmer so feels more special but less comfortable. I think most people will see the Civic as a modified car and the Golf as a normal GTI. For me the fact the Golf can blend in and yet be so talented & useable makes it more special. But Civic is still special, just with we could have a wingless car with no red inside and 2 exhaust tips or even black tips, silver wheels would be nice too👍
@@volkswizard thanks for a great reply! Yeah you can't beat class of a golf..👍
It's priced NOT to sell, most likely to ensure Honda meets emissions quotas across its whole line-up. This is basically a PR model, produced just to have it shown in videos.
In RO it starts at €57450 (which I'm sure is close to other EU countries) and I highly doubt there will be any room for bargaining. At that price it literally competes with BMW 2 series, Golf R, Audi S3, etc. etc. It'll be bought only by collectors or those whose #1 #2 and #3 priorities is getting a factory-made track ready car at that price.
Shame. A street-focused Type-S with 18" wheels, competent but non-luxury tiers and brakes, SAME ENGINE but a bit detuned to work with RON 95 first, dynamic suspensions, no childish aero (sleeper look) would sell well around €40k but Honda is probably blocked from providing that by emissions quotas so we need to look elsewhere.
Surely out of reach more these days compared to say 2003/2004 when mr average with £20k could buy a focus rs typr ep3 renault megane 225 etc......yes wages are up but yikes £50k for a type R now........different breed of buyer now?
It's crazy - thing is you make them £40k and sell loads and that way all the R&D costs, tooling costs etc are shared over more cars so they don't cost as much to build. But the biggest issue is the red inside which really isn't something people like generally, the looks are still too much and the switchgear is a bit clunky too.
Thanks Andrew. Looks very good in grey with the contrasting red (the only colour available) interior. Think you'll struggle to buy new as UK allocation is quite low. Other than Yaris, probably the only manual hot hatch left now that i30n discontinued. The last of a dying breed...... 👍
Thanks Colin. What I noticed while editing was that the back seats are black and the fronts are red! There are so many mistakes with this car like that, forcing people to have red carpets (and red front seats is another) and that wing and 3 exhausts is just too much. How much of the above really is necessary? The chassis and gearshift which everyone raves about don't need the bolt on bits and certainly not required on the road. Get rid of all that rubbish and I might forgive the terrible switchgear.
@@volkswizard stick with VW , you’re clueless as usual
Perhaps stick with walk-arounds of ford transit vans @@bestcrazyboy8487
@@volkswizardwhat’s wrong with the switch gear?
The touch sensitive screen on a mark 8 Golf is the most useless thing I have ever tried on any car 🤷♀️
@@bestcrazyboy8487I totally agree with you, I've got 3 vag vehicles but even I know civic type r's are amazing drivers cars & the people who buy them aren't bothered about fancy touchscreen systems that don't work or having boring black interiors.
Its only expensive if you cant afford it like anything in life, compared to a golf really, i mean the golf is a golf with a golf chassis, golf gearbox, golf brakes, Type R is a bespoke car thats comes with extras as the base...only true petrolheads will notice or even know the difference, which is good IMO.
Totally agree. Most that have commented have probably never driven one.
Bespoke? It’s not a Saville Row suit.
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Quite a funny video, wiz tring his best not to be too enthusiastic with the praise ,but failing ,😂😂
Just trying to be honest and transparent👼. I don’t have to keep advertisers happy like nearly every other review platform so I didn’t have any preconceived ideas of whether I’d like it or not. Overall it was ok but I discovered things I’d not read about that do cloud my opinion of it especially at £50k. The red front/black rear seats I only noticed later and are a bit odd too. But for driving it’s very good
@@volkswizard thanks very much for you reply ,really appreciated. I been a honda man for 20 years and owned 13, including all type R . But as honda no longer the car I very owned I bought a octavia 245 vrs , and I've been converted!!
Absolutely love it and I'm toying with doing a stage 1 revo remap . Your thoughts?
These things are no doubt seriously fun to drive but I wouldn't be able to live with its lairy looks. Can you imagine rocking up to anything business-related in one of these?! Love that Honda is keeping manuals as an option though, nothing beats it for tactility
"Can you imagine rocking up to anything business-related in one of these?!" Can you honestly say an Audi RS3 in lime green is any more discreet? There's nothing wrong with having a fun car because you like cars, and not the standard white Tesla Model 3 or silver BMW 3 Series IMO.
It looks mild enough. Besides, who cares what others think? Business, schmusiness.
It's the usual theme running all the so right comments here; price. When I got fed up with my Mk8's initial problems I also put down a deposit for one of these. Journo's raved as per but it's not them putting their hard earned across the table. 50K please sir. Don't know how the salesman kept a straight face. Deposit back and glad I did.
I’d take a used GR Yaris for literally half the price lol
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Yea and its fking Yaris and not Type R at the end.
@@VeyroneR Exactly. It’s far more reliable, faster, much lighter, and overall far more nimble and engaging vs the overpriced Type R. Oh and it’s fully built in Japan, unlike the Type R, which builds the engine in the USA 🤦♂️
@@VidNibs rofl ask 100 ppl what would they rather have Type R or Yaris and see results. That's all u need to know.
@@VeyroneR You’re ignorant beyond belief. Yeah, go ahead and ask people who have driven both. Most will go for the GR Yaris with AWD vs some low tier Accord/looking Honda that’s still using FWD. I bet any money that you haven’t even driven a GR Yaris. It’s a far more special and unique car in every way. A true homologation special with the same weight ironically as the S2000 and e30 M3. To add insult to injury, the Type R costs £50k, but gets no carbon roof and no real Brembos in the rear lol
Don’t understand why VW is so popular here in Denmark. They are not that high in reliability
This car is too expensive for what it is, thats why you dont see them here in belgium, its as if honda doesnt want to sell them. Their fault its not a succes here.
I am from Belgium, and i own a fl5 type r.
It is a good thing you dont see many.
And the price is not worse the a golf 8 R if you include options.
Seems ur not aware how good this car is.
It's pricey for a reason
@@mrlionrocks overpriced its that simple
@@billx4266it’s not overpriced when it’s a similar price to its rivals and offers much more. You can’t really spec anything on them unlike other cars. Once you spec rivals the prices are similar or higher.
The one thing I have never liked from any Type R . The suspension is just to harsh . That banging is really irritating. Always remember driving an integra and even an Accord 25 yrs ago . When I worked for Honda . A bit Marmite for me .
Can only assume Japan has lovely smooth roads
Well that's the reason they are perfect on the track and holds records.
red carpets remind me of my old MG Metro 🤑
God bless 🇬🇧
Thought it was a strict four seater?
Really? That’s a bit odd for a car in that segment
@@volkswizard It's tradition.
Despite only owning vag cars I've always been a big Honda vtec especially 90s and early 2000s but this is just too expensive
Biggest problem here is that the majority of the audience are vw fans. Absolutely nothing wrong with that. Get it, its a vw channel primarily, Good on yah . Just seems a shame, though, that we dont seem to have the petrol head that can appreciate other car makers anymore and what they do. Instead we get disapproval. Remember life would be boring if everybody and everything was the same. Lets just for once appreciate every car makers take on a sporty hatch i say.
You reviewed the car and you didn't even put in in R+ mode. Thats like putting water and rice in a rice cooker and pressing warm when you should press cook.
Like I said didn’t have much time so to try everything was impossible (30 mins to film a 15 min video is not something I choose to do). I’ve looked up +R mode and best suited to a proper circuit rather than that a track that deliberately mimics a road.
@@volkswizard I get that, but the R in Type R is for that very reason that any reviewer or owner should drive it in its best mode track or not in my opinion.
It converted me, it’s better built and engineered in every way.
Where are manufacturers getting their prices from? Are they all adopting ferraris approach of make less, sell higher. Id love to know the target audience.
I think its cost effective to spend money on your current car than buy new.
We won't go there 7:34 😂
Nein!
Bargain for what you get. ALL new cars are up in cost! New GR yaris for example.
There are no options as fully loaded.
All respected journalists and magazines have rated this car.
Controls looks amazing and simple to use.
Gearbox amazingly, seats amazing, engine bullet proof!
Decent car but it's like the red carpet at the Oscar's but you're at the vue cinema but it looks like a great drive but give me a golf any day 👍
£50k for a Civic Type R?! If I had the money I'd put half of that on a clean EK9.
I think it’s the drivers choice of hatchback.
Would I buy one .definitely not
Living with that carpet would do my eyes on a daily basis. I do think if they knocked 5k off the price it would be more competitive.
Agreed x2
Conservative buyers like this is why Alfa Romeo dropped both the red and tan interior options on the Giulia, IIRC since 2021 only black is still available. 😔 Not that the Giulia had matching carpets. I think it's unfortunate you can't order your Giulia in traditional Alfa Red over tan interior (yet that is still the highest resale value colour combination for a Ferrari, while on Alfa it's discontinued, go figure?!).
Nice intro 😂
Thanks 🙌🏻
Didnt he realise he could go into individual mode have comfort suspension and put everything else in R mode he seem to just have a comfort mode or sport never got the full use out of the car.didnt seem to no much about the car.😮
265 width tyres !
Yep, that’s the same as a Boxster GTS rears!
Nice car but it's ridiculously expensive for what it is. Makes even the Golf R look like a good value.
Yep, tricky one. Yes it’s sweeter to drive than R but R is a better all rounder though Clubsport Mk8 is cheaper than R, closer dynamically to Civic and ultimately it’s a nice, classy Golf and 8.5 with new screen will be even better and around £43k
@@volkswizard exactly my thoughts. The Mk8 Clubsport is better value and probably quite a bit nicer to live with. Probably somewhat less involving but also way better in daily tasks. Great review as always though!
£50K for a motor thats awash with nasty hard plastic and no ambient lighting on the rear door cards! Honda are taking the P**S with this one. Dining out on the whole 'drivers car' b.....cks
Don’t cry 🙄
Hard plastics? Have you been in a Audi A3 or Golf these days?!
Don’t think Type R’s were ever meant to target folks who buy cars for “tech” or ambient lighting..WTH does ambient lighting do for a driver anyway
@@jdmguy44 Yup, sure have. But hey, you want to pay £50K for a f**king Honda Civic plus the 'luxury car' road tax that goes with it, knock yourself out, lol
@@stupot8572 Would rather pay £50k for a performance Honda Civic than £50k for an equivalent f**king VW Golf or Audi A3 mate! That said have you never heard of that thing called the used car market?!!
This is the Honda Accord type R! 😂
I can see the similarities - I think of the switchgear is carried over unchanged 🤨
@@volkswizard I think Honda takes the approach of "ain't broke, don't fit it" with switchgear! The lack of dedicated rear window switches for the driver's door on the id3 hasn't earned any praise AFAIK...
Audio is really poor, just doesn’t sound natural.
red carpets mg metro maestro
I knew I’d seen them somewhere before. Did MG Montego get them too?
Idk, the way cars are these days, I’m liking “dated”
I know what you mean
Imagine how many of these they would have sold if it was £40k rather than £50k.
Not at all. You can easily spec a golf r to 50k. The Honda is 50k with everything on, barely any options to add. And the engineering you’re getting for the money is closer to a Porsche gt3 than a golf. Not to mention you’re getting something much rarer than it’s rivals. Honda have no desire to sell huge numbers in order to maintain the brand value of type r.
Golfs are just so boring compared to this
Looks the Bollox , unlike the golf R , it looks the part , would I pay 50k No , I would buy a i20N and leave 30k in the bank
Me too, even I30N makes more sense and leaves cash in bank and you can have an auto
@@volkswizardwhy the hell would you want an auto in a hot hatch??
Ffs that's the most ridiculous statement I've heard
Enjoy this manual transmission, you wont drive better ever. Probably best manual shifter.
Is that a 208?😂😂
Is it lost?😂
The golf just doesn’t look sporty at all, very bland and boring as per usual.
It’s got a big wing and decals, big intake so it definitely stands out over a cooking Golf but it’s relatively low key appearance is an asset for many especially with performance levels not much behind the Civic
Not for me.
£38,800 brand new in Australia #ripoffbritain
Did you have the engine in + R mode? Or comfort?
Didn’t need +R in this context, as I said in video we started in sport then comfort then back to sport for the fun bit on the hill. On the bowl it was sport then comfort to test high speed ride quality - I know not many other reviewers bothers with that but it’s how the car will get driven a lot
@volkswizard Well, if you didn't use the drive mode that best shows the power of this engine, why were you complaining about acceleration? .....When you were trying to compare the fl5, to this golf?....Should have put the car's engine in +R mode. In the individual settings, Leave the suspension in comfort ...So you could of at least used all of the engine, in your review RUclipsr .
"i cant heel and toe, im useless like that" yeah we know youre a golf driver skillful driving and knowing what a good car feels and drives like goes over you lmao. people who review cars so biased like this, are in the same league as a PE teacher trying to teach maths. pointless
If they had a DCT they’d sell more
Nice one Matt! That's another to add to the list of why they won't sell many;
No auto
Looks are a bit OTT (still)
Too much red inside (and black back seats!)
Price.
They definitely wouldn’t.
Doubt they care about selling more, it’s not a high production model anyway. There are those who give Honda props for sticking to manual only..
No they wouldn't, the people these cars are aimed at 100% want a manual box, it's a hot hatch ffs for drivers who want to be involved 🤦♂️ dear god
They only intend to sell 9,600-10,000 units per year globally AFAIK. Which is not very many, but then again the KIA Stinger only sold 25,000 units per year globally and that was a full model range, not just a subvariant of an economy car. Honda has their 8-speed dual clutch which was only designed for low torque or their 10-speed automatic designed for high torque, if they wanted a dual-clutch they would have to design it or buy it from Getrag like Renault [the only dual-clutch for cars Honda have is the 9-speed longitudinal transaxle from the NSX which is no use -- they have a number of motorcycle dual-clutch boxes too, which have a bit of a patchy reputation in the Gold Wing].
Some of the costs are already amortised with the North American-only Integra Type S which is predominantly the same car. I thought that would have the 10-speed auto optional, but it does not. The TLX Type S [V6 twin-turbo] uses the Honda 10-speed auto though.