A BETTER WAY to shoot S-LOG3 (Sony A7SIII, A7IV, FX3)
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- Опубликовано: 14 окт 2024
- Want to know a better way to shoot and expose SLOG3 Footage when shooting with your A7SIII, FX3 or A7IV? Try this!
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OMG That'll make life so much better at wedding shoots, thank you so much Chris!!!
would you have time you move that box in wedding event ?
I’ve been meaning to make this exact video for awhile now, amazing job providing a detailed and easy to follow explanation! This tip is so useful for exposing SLOG3
Still make it! Everyone has their own audience.
Great tip! It will help when using a grey card without having to zoom or move closer
Just when I think I knew everything about my Sony camera, I watch one of your videos and learn something new. Thank you!
This is one more need to know about so glad it helped!
Hi Chris,
Thanks for the tip. There's a similar hack that I'm playing around with. So far, it's working out and is very quick once set up with a memory setting. I'm curious to hear suggestions from others who may try this.
Turn gamma assist on.
then set the iso to base setting 800 or 4000 (sony a1) - or whatever base isos your camera has.
Set exposure compensation knob for +1.7.
Set meter mode to large spot.
Set camera mode to S for shutter speed priority.
This will be auto exposure with a set shutter speed and variable aperture. Set your frame rate to 1/50 or 1/60 or for whatever you're working with.
A variable neutral density filter works with this setup.
Set a custom button for AEL or auto exposure lock. (I use the AEL button)
Set focus area to wide.
To shoot video, move the camera so the spot meter circle is over the subject you want metered. Then lock it in with the AEL custom button. On the bottom right of the screen, a little asterisk star shows up when the AEL is locked.
Then move the camera to compose and shoot your scene.
Because the focus area is set for wide, the face and eye focus will work.
If you want tracking, tap the screen where the subject is. The AEL is still locked.
When the subject moves, exposure should stay correct until the lighting changes. If it does, try a quick AEL redo.
By using auto white balance to start, then locking it in, is a quick way that prevents colour shifts from scene to scene. It also adds a little AWB L on the bottom right of the screen. When both the AEL and AWB are working together, it also shows.
Program the settings into the Memory 1, 2 or 3 banks. They will recall everything except for the 1.7+ exposure compensation.
Advantages - Exposure stays within the base isos. The 1.7+ compensation is set for all shots - no fumbling around. Spot metering is quick and locked in by using the AEL. White balance can also be locked in. VNDs work fine. Tracking is just a touch away.
Cheers
Braden
A massive resounding YES to your pop up question at the end.
😂
You're a legend. Thank you very much!
I use the spot meter attached to focus point all the time. Especially for photography.
Great video. Haven't shot S-log 3 as yet but not long into doing video properly. Have sat on S-Cinetone for the time being. Will get there tho.
Funny enough I already have these setttings baked in and I didn't even know! This is going to be so useful now. Thanks!
Haha you must have learnt it somewhere
Super clutch 👍
Thanks for stopping by fella!
Or put zebras at around 67%-70% and have that on the part of skin of someone that’s not highlight nor shadow. Or get a monitor that has waveform and false Color map.
Thank you straight to the point! 🙏🏻
This was really useful! I was actually in a situation earlier today where this would have been useful, and voila, here came your video😄 Thanx!
Wonderful!
It's not Alex Turner Chris.
Oh well I was about to go wild in the comments 🤣
Does this apply if you are shooting manually? I noticed my square box disappeared when it’s manually
Sweet video - love the technique, thanks man! 🙏
So do you normally expose skintones to +1.3 for your phantom luts? I've noticed the phantom lut is for much darker footage than everyone else's luts who say to expose +1.7-+2.
depends on the look, if you want dark and moody go less, if you want bright but still have the nice colour grade from the Phantom LUTS go +1.7-2... the 'rules' are there to as guidelines
In his pdf., he being Joel, he says he doesn’t feel the ETTR is necessary since the release of the A7siii. It’s obviously personal preference but I believe he designed the luts with the idea of people exposing at 0. That’s why he included legacy versions also which are for the exposing to the right i.e. 1.7 stops over
Worth noting that you can now load LUTS directly onto the FX3 with the newest update
Great video… Ty. So using this method, the black circle exposure on skin tones…. Will be +1.7?
I am a Phantom Lutter - for a while, I thought I was able to be a bit more lowkey on the overexposure, but now I find everything is better if I hit 1.7 or so and bring it down. Is this your experience too?
I’m typically around 1.3 for brighter environments like weddings (outdoors) I have also gone brighter and then use the legacy version to bring it down in post.. not what it’s for but actually works well
@@chrisbrockhurst thanks for the tips!
@@chrisbrockhurst 1.3 on the spot metering of a bride or groom's face? i've yet to make the jump to slog-3 for weddings due to being unsure on exposure, so this video is quite helpful. just trying to figure out what values i should be looking for when in a run-n-gun situation like a wedding which you know can go from indoors to outdoors back to indoors, etc....
Great video and I realised that each metering mode can also be set to use centre or focus point too - worth remembering for those where the spot isn't shown...
False color with the Ninja V is my jam, but this is good to know if I don't have the Ninja V.
Are you shooting s log 3 for real estate? And have you made a video on editing S log 3 real estate interiors ? Thanks !
I am planning on doing some filming of an ATV racer at a motocross track and wanted to use Slog 3. Now I am a photographer first, but I was curious if I can set my exposure at plus.1.7 and leave it there and leave it there exposing. If this is the wrong method, please let me know. I just thought it would be easier to keep it at that and turn on auto ISO with the exposure said that +1.7.
Just for the people who are wondering: it works also on the A7iii
Thanks!
So it also work on A7C
Chris, this is so interesting. I usually use color pallets to expose my videos in SLOG3. The 10 bit color in this video looks amazing. Is HLG2020 the only profile that supports 10 bit color on the A7SIII?
I am wondering because some of my recent videos were shot in PP Off and I had the Movie Settings set to 200M 4:2:2 10bit. I am hoping they still retain 10 bit color even though it was PP Off.
I would greatly appreciate if you can give me advice on this as I have exhausted my research at this point haha.
Thank you for the video. I will give this a try. But I don't really get, how this is easier/better in run and gun situations than using zebra?
It’s not
yes.
Great video, very informative, Thank you. And Pineapple on Pizza - Y 😂
Have you ever baked in a LUT into your footage? I know not recommended but just wondering as I know Phantom LUTs are in a sense more subtle than others so wondering if this would be a decent idea for minimal color grading
This is great for interviews. Sometimes, your background will be blown out, or too dark when conditions aren’t great. But, using this method, I can always be sure my subjects faces are exposed well. 👌
But what about using zebras? I would say zebras are much more precise, cause you can measure/see the expose in exact those areas, which you want to check - either it's skintones/faces or background ...
Does this change your focus every time you move the box as well?
wow grate stuff man love those tips keep them coming you got yourself sub
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Do you have a LUT specifically for real estate?
Hey Chris, I’m about to buy your FX3 settings file that you sell but just wondered if it has been updated with the v2.0 settings? If not, do you have a guide to help with any new v2 settings that I can update once I’ve installed your settings?
Can you turn SLOG3 into HDR? Every SLOG3 video I’ve watched the end result is plain old 4K. People say SLOG3 has the most dynamic range out of all the picture profiles including HLG3, yet HLG3 is HDR and SLOG3 is not. Any thoughts?
Honest question, not trying to be sarcastic. But if you are exposing to look with gamma assist, why does it matter at all which metering mode you are using, if you aren’t worried about the meter? I assume that you are still trying to get it within some sort of range in the meter, correct? I’m new to this and just started using a SLog3 on an A74 with the phantom luts and was using spot metering on my last shoot with some success. I agree it feels more useful than multi metering. Still trying to figure out that sweet spot to get the scenes all exposed properly which is much harder than I anticipated it to be coming from my photography background. Thanks for your content!
I would say, that the gamma assist gives you just 'an idea' of how it will look in rec 709. You should not rely on this little uncalibrated monitor.
Thank you Chris !
Hey, thanks for your great content. What if I’m shooting real estate vid and I do want the clinical sharpness look? I’m really struggling with slog 3 in this area.
Nail your exposure would be the biggest advice
mine dosnt work with touching screen.
YES
YES!
Anyone know where PP8 has gone please? And what is the equivalent on FX3?
Great video, been using this « technique » for a while, it’s so much better than the multi metering mode! (Still not Alex Turner btw ahah)
Don’t even know what I was thinking 😂
I find that I expose for the bright area at 1.7 and let the darker areas be what they are. It is better to be under exposed in my opinion then overexposed.
This is awesome!
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thanks!
How about a color checker
Purchase this for the FX 30 doesn't work
So with the gamma assist turned on is that in camera you see how it will look or on a monitor?
It's just a preview, it's not baked in
Bingo
Slog3 is so confusing to me. Mainly because exposure changes so frequently while shooting outside, or if you move from outside to inside in one shot, how do you even adjust that on the fly? It seems like slog3 is good for fairly static shots or something. I’m 100% positive I’m doing something wrong though. Slog3 just hasn’t clicked in my brain yet.
Use zebras to monitor your exposure correctly, it’s entirely manual and not an automatic feature. When you go from inside to outside you compensate with an ND filter or Aperture
legend for making this! feel like ive been tricked for the longest into using multi haha
I just useZebras to monitor my highlights and expose as hot as possible then bring it back down in post
just FYI - that's not Alex Turner on the cover of that album
ive been contemplating switching from my panasonic s5 to an a7iv but holy gosh the menu system is just such an eye sore and the sonys
thank you for this. but also like, why do you have an fx6 now. isn't there a whole video you made about why its not worth having? lol just messing with you but it's kind of hilarious.
You're not wrong! I went back and forth for a LONG time and well... here we are haha
yes, pineapple on pizza, and ham.
I still think zebra evaluation is superior.
I love putting pizza on my pineapple!
Why you guys don’t use rec.2020 instead of the ancient rec.709? It’s just killing the 10bit colour!!
The day Sony introduces a system that implements ai method of tracking subject and the zebra levels and linking that with exposing footage with aperature and iso (with aperature being prioritized and iso being the last thing being touched on iso) is the day we will all be able to run and gun shoot vlog style videos on auto exclusively, because manuel will be completely obsolete. Also we need a setting which allows auto iso to only be changed between two iso values, such as the base iso, rather than the current limit set iso range with minimum iso and maximum iso. We should be able to set the camera on auto and let it chose between only for example, base iso of 800 and base iso of 2500 or base iso of 640 and base iso fo 12800. WHY?! is it currently only locked behind the slog 3 cine ei setting that also locks auto white balance option.
I can't imagine anyone using this feature. Just try to picture Roger Deakins asking if the cameras ev is plus or minus. They won't. Just use an appropriate monitor lut. If robots made movies they might use this ev method.
Bless you’re heart
@@chrisbrockhurst "bless you are heart"
I've been doing this since the A7III launch. But there's one caveat.....when you want your exposure to be something other than what's in focus, it's useless. Manual exposure and manual focus is the way to go for that.
Agreed. Time and a place, you could also assign a custom button to turn it on/off
That's not Alex Turners face
The best way to expose for S-Log3 is to have a monitor with waveform (or a camera that has it ;) ) and not use histogram or metering a spot thats linked to your focus. Clicking around and checking several points in a scene for exposures (because maybe you want to check or not expose on what you focus on) is not accurate at all and takes way to much time.
This is professional, and you can also use a light meter if you know how.
I agree, a huge amount of people when starting out don’t have access to that though
I just use the histogram and zebras. Much easier.
Yeah, but you'll be losing the face eye detection focus
that's not alex turner's face.
That's not Alex Turner.
That's not Alex Turner, mate.
Had no idea 🤷🏻♂️
Will this work on the Sony zve1? How is my footage here? Iv been using slog 3 and +1.7 but never happy with images.
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No pineapple on pizza
Абсолютно бесполезный видос для людей, которые пришли, поставили камеру на одну точку и только с неё и снимают
Блогерам вообще на кой хрен этот slog? В их условиях с любым профилем изображения будет норм.
sony is stupid, just drop waveform ...
There is no PP8 of the FX3 so how do I do this?
I have a question, Chris, if you use s-gamut3.cine/s log3 or s-gamut3/s log3? Interested in also knowing what everyone here uses and why. Thank you kindly in advance.
That's not Alex Turner