Swiss MP-41/44: Adolph Furrer and His Toggle Lock Fascination

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  • @angryyogbuscus1578
    @angryyogbuscus1578 6 лет назад +2104

    Adolph Furrer; Switzerland's least fortunately named World War II arms designer

    • @TheCultureCommentary
      @TheCultureCommentary 4 года назад +31

      HAHAHA Dat name!

    • @Axonteer
      @Axonteer 4 года назад +53

      Furrer is not Führer, and Adolph was a pretty common name back then.

    • @angryyogbuscus1578
      @angryyogbuscus1578 4 года назад +406

      @@Axonteer I am aware of this.
      Sadly, being pedantic isn't usually very funny.

    • @theacme3
      @theacme3 4 года назад +22

      @@angryyogbuscus1578 so you are disappointed that someone that is able to use the letter ü is a) pedantic and b) not funny? I think you need to curbe your expectations.

    • @samholdsworth3957
      @samholdsworth3957 4 года назад +11

      @@angryyogbuscus1578 lmao

  • @crabgnome5388
    @crabgnome5388 3 года назад +414

    Bern engineer: isn't this gun a bit overengineered?
    Furrer, putting springs into a magazine pouch: what

  • @Matt_The_Hugenot
    @Matt_The_Hugenot 6 лет назад +531

    The front grip is neat, especially on a pre WW2 gun.
    Side note, Furrer probably put a toggle lock on his front door.

    • @Mr.Mumbler
      @Mr.Mumbler 4 года назад +22

      not gonna lie, chuckled pretty loud on your sidenote, well played Sir xD

    • @ILikeToLaughAtYou
      @ILikeToLaughAtYou 4 года назад +17

      I would too if my name was Adolf Furrer in 1940’s Switzerland. Hell, I’d have a few of them!

    • @romannod5191
      @romannod5191 3 года назад +13

      @@ILikeToLaughAtYou not really a problem as Adolph was a pretty common firstname at the time and the German pronunciation of Furrer and Führer is vastly different

    • @FrstSpctr88
      @FrstSpctr88 3 года назад +5

      I guess he needed 9mm bullets to open it.
      :P

    • @thelasttaarakian
      @thelasttaarakian 2 года назад +5

      @@romannod5191 no one cares

  • @erikm12
    @erikm12 5 лет назад +467

    I love how so many of these Swiss guns are basically precision timepieces that happen to shoot bullets

    • @mbsb1376
      @mbsb1376 4 года назад +19

      Do what you know

    • @Shadowstrom
      @Shadowstrom 3 года назад +5

      just what i was thinking

    • @PercivalBlakeney
      @PercivalBlakeney 2 года назад +5

      @erikm12
      What else would you expect, from a country that has had centuries of peace and brotherly love?
      (Third Man theme begins playing in background.)
      😉

    • @BRBMrSoul
      @BRBMrSoul 2 года назад +5

      Shoot bullets like clockwork*

    • @markworden9169
      @markworden9169 9 месяцев назад +1

      Good one😂

  • @milanstepanek4185
    @milanstepanek4185 6 лет назад +640

    You could probably equip a small village with PPS-43s for the price of one of these.

    • @exploatores
      @exploatores 6 лет назад +126

      are you shure about small?

    • @bobfish6506
      @bobfish6506 6 лет назад +77

      You probably could have equip three small villages or one small town for the price of one of those swiss smg

    • @xmm-cf5eg
      @xmm-cf5eg 6 лет назад +67

      Can Me and My small village have like, all of those PPS-43's?
      I *_NEED_* them, honest.

    • @tonyovermyer5368
      @tonyovermyer5368 6 лет назад +20

      Hell, you could outfit an entire battalion with nothing but Grease Guns!

    • @envrnmntlsm
      @envrnmntlsm 5 лет назад +14

      @@tonyovermyer5368 nope, only about 18 people

  • @mastathrash5609
    @mastathrash5609 6 лет назад +148

    Adolph Furrer : "listen, guys.....I gotta fevah...and the only prescription, is more toggle lock!"

  • @falloutlover5443
    @falloutlover5443 6 лет назад +903

    Ridiculously expensive, heavy, pistol grips, beautiful bluing and wood... So it's Switzerland's Thompson.

    • @RavingRaptor
      @RavingRaptor 6 лет назад +108

      Hey, at least it has a bayonet lug...

    • @thomaskwei9119
      @thomaskwei9119 6 лет назад +76

      RavingRaptor hey, at least the 1928 Thompson had a compensator

    • @GunFunZS
      @GunFunZS 6 лет назад +76

      You forgot dubious locking mechanism .

    • @dfwai7589
      @dfwai7589 6 лет назад +25

      GunFun ZS and completely unnecessary

    • @millwaterpublishing1387
      @millwaterpublishing1387 6 лет назад +57

      Except that, while the Thompson's supposed locking system didn't really work as intended, it didn't prevent the gun from functioning as a decent blow-back... When this thing's toggle lock doesn't work, the gun doesn't work.

  • @vaclavjebavy5118
    @vaclavjebavy5118 4 года назад +406

    "What stops me from just marching over there and taking your tiny country?"
    "We'll take all your bank deposits and spend them on these."

    • @korbetthein3072
      @korbetthein3072 3 года назад +11

      Or the actual answer given to that question, which was badass.

    • @vaclavjebavy5118
      @vaclavjebavy5118 3 года назад +2

      @@korbetthein3072 yeah it was

  • @haggis357
    @haggis357 6 лет назад +83

    "A bayonet lug in case it malfunctioned or just was not heavy enough to begin with"
    Ouch

  • @maxfaxdude
    @maxfaxdude 4 года назад +55

    I like the MG-42 on the left just casually listening to Ian's diatribe on the MP-41/44.

  • @gardenerofthemisguided2496
    @gardenerofthemisguided2496 6 лет назад +362

    Adolph Furrer inspecting an engineer drawing a smg sketch.
    "Oh, that's fine, but something's missing."
    "What is it, Mr. Furrer?"
    "We need more toggle-lock."
    "But but... we're making a smg, we don't have much time to design something complicated."
    "We need more toggle-lock!"
    "But, if the soldiers have a problem on the ground, how do we do it? Then I'm afraid a weapon too heavy is a disadvantage to our troops."
    "Toggle..."
    "The government will never buy such an expensive weapon..."
    "LOCK!"
    "Yeah, I'm going back to SIG, it's better to have fun with a Mle.1935A than watching a guy moving toggle-locks all day."

    • @g.55centaurosimp18
      @g.55centaurosimp18 6 лет назад +22

      Self-sealing stem bolt
      You won the internet for toda 😂

    • @simonferrer
      @simonferrer 6 лет назад +31

      I have a fever, and the only prescription is more toggle lock..

    • @Lalann
      @Lalann 6 лет назад +6

      When you go above and beyond trying to prove a stereotype.

    • @Panzerfan93
      @Panzerfan93 6 лет назад +17

      Furrer also designed some anti-aircraft guns, a 20mm and essentially and upscaled 34mm version. And both featured... you guessed it: TOGGLE LOCKS! Furrer also planned to make artillery guns with toggle locks. This madness was however stopped since literally noone but Furrer could see the benefit in that
      And another toggle lock gun of his was the Tankbüchse 41, an Infantry version of the swiss Panzer 39 "Praga"s main gun, a 24mm semi-automatic anti-tank rifle
      Furrers best known gun however still is the K31, he succesfully shortend the Schmidt-Rubin action

    • @JonathonPawelko
      @JonathonPawelko 4 года назад +3

      The true origin of "you know what we need more cow bells".

  • @LazyLifeIFreak
    @LazyLifeIFreak 6 лет назад +774

    *OVER-ENGINEERING INTENSIFIES*

    • @tpl145
      @tpl145 6 лет назад +29

      Switzerland, yes

    • @WineScrounger
      @WineScrounger 6 лет назад +16

      It's already over 9000

    • @offchance789
      @offchance789 6 лет назад +29

      "The fewer moving parts, the better." Exactly. No truer words were ever spoken in the context of engineering.
      ― Christian Cantrell

    • @MeatVision
      @MeatVision 6 лет назад +15

      *MOVING PARTS MULTIPLY*

    • @issacmoore1561
      @issacmoore1561 6 лет назад +4

      tbh I would expect this from watch makers

  • @andrewsuryali8540
    @andrewsuryali8540 6 лет назад +367

    Wait... this is the simplified version?

    • @Rudofaux
      @Rudofaux 6 лет назад +40

      This thing's almost Rube Goldberg territory in operation. I'm curious to see the original (complex) version of this firearm.

  • @WalkaCrookedLine
    @WalkaCrookedLine 3 года назад +35

    It wasn't adopted until 1941 because it took a full 20 years to come up with an SMG operating mechanism even sillier than the Thompson's Blish Lock.

  • @huntercompton9650
    @huntercompton9650 6 лет назад +53

    "Very expensive to manufacture, very finely tuned and precisely made contraption." That just about describes all Swiss firearms, right?

    • @jd_the_cat
      @jd_the_cat 2 года назад +6

      Basically anything Swiss

    • @re1010
      @re1010 2 года назад +1

      Except this thing. A expensive antique.

  • @ChickenVhett
    @ChickenVhett 6 лет назад +43

    "...was also busy with some of the repercussion of....Germany, at the time..."
    Came close to spitting coffee

    • @craigmccormack3255
      @craigmccormack3255 4 года назад +2

      I marvelled at Ian's exquisite framing of that statement. Well done indeed 😉.

  • @Pcm979
    @Pcm979 6 лет назад +174

    I've been trying to think of the silliest possible gun. This hits at least half of the points I'd come up with. It just goes to show, there really are no new ideas in the world- not even the bad ones!

    • @dfwai7589
      @dfwai7589 6 лет назад +24

      Pcm979 here's mine: toggle locked, gas operated, belt fed, has own proprietary belt and tripod, off set sights, adjustable three position stock (with position one being storage and the others being right next to each other) side mounted fore grip, and firing .44 auto mag. Oh and it's got a mag well and a conversion kit to .22sr

    • @PobortzaPl
      @PobortzaPl 6 лет назад +5

      Joel Atwater With conversion to .22 LR it would have more sense than double 3 mag pouches for this gun.

    • @Piromanofeliz
      @Piromanofeliz 6 лет назад +15

      Lol, .22 beltfed. Sounds funny enough. Sights should be adjustable to 2000 yards, for maximum sillyness.

    • @dfwai7589
      @dfwai7589 6 лет назад +8

      PobortzaPl not LR my good sir no, no, no, .22SR! Because why not

    • @brianreddeman951
      @brianreddeman951 6 лет назад +6

      Guys... Laugh now...someone somewhere has over engineered a belt fed 22 :)

  • @chasecross6063
    @chasecross6063 6 лет назад +15

    Okay, I know Gun Jesus said it was ugly, but as somebody with an affection for retro-futurist aesthetics, I kinda dig it! With the ports along the barrel shroud/handguard and that aluminum foregrip, it's like the offspring of a Steyr AUG and a PPsh-41. I kinda dig the look!

  • @ajvanmarle
    @ajvanmarle 4 года назад +13

    The mechanism is beautifully made. It's insane, but mechanically it's a thing of beauty.

  • @notpulverman9660
    @notpulverman9660 6 лет назад +394

    To Anyone last-named Furrer: I double dog dare u to name your son Adolph.

    • @Zorglub1966
      @Zorglub1966 6 лет назад +4

      :D

    • @baneofbanes
      @baneofbanes 6 лет назад +32

      But if your last name is Hitler I wouldn’t recommend that.

    • @twirlipofthemists3201
      @twirlipofthemists3201 6 лет назад +1

      Or daughter.

    • @ToastytheG
      @ToastytheG 6 лет назад +4

      Triple dog: Yiff

    • @warmongerairsoft
      @warmongerairsoft 6 лет назад +10

      Hunter Smith fun fact: Hitler has 3 nephews living on Long Island NY and they made a pact as children to not have kids so the bloodline dies.

  • @kevinschultz6091
    @kevinschultz6091 6 лет назад +38

    ...wait, this was the one the Swiss government accepted over the Sig model?
    Good Lord.

    • @InfernosReaper
      @InfernosReaper 3 года назад +14

      The weirdest part is they then licensed a design from another country... At that point, I'm honestly wondering if the guy running Sig had an affair with a government bigwig's wife or something

  • @Taistelukalkkuna
    @Taistelukalkkuna 6 лет назад +170

    Turning Swiss to eleven.

    • @dragonsword7370
      @dragonsword7370 6 лет назад +2

      Taistelukalkkuna ha! That's a good one!

    • @F4Wildcat
      @F4Wildcat 5 лет назад +2

      -Why not drop the toggle lock and make 10 pounds a more reasonable weight?
      *Furrer looking at his own luger
      -These go to eleven!

  • @marc-andreservant201
    @marc-andreservant201 3 года назад +6

    Swiss military: What were you thinking?
    Designer: Well, it's got 27 complications including a moon phase calendar and accurate solar eclipse predictions for the next two centuries.

  • @imgvillasrc1608
    @imgvillasrc1608 2 года назад +8

    To give one a perspective how ridiculously expensive the MP41/44 was, it's about half the price of the XM29 OICW.

  • @spartanxmonster
    @spartanxmonster 6 лет назад +22

    I wonder what Sig thought of Furrers claims. "It's better, cheaper, and easier to maintain!"
    uh.. no, no, and no

  • @benec5816
    @benec5816 6 лет назад +35

    Some of these weapons and how they came about are so interesting at times you think how some of these companies serviced at all thanks again

  • @AngelSamael
    @AngelSamael 6 лет назад +14

    The folding front grip is pretty neat. It's a clever way of increasing controllability without interfering with a sling.

  • @Grimmtoof
    @Grimmtoof 4 года назад +12

    If this is what the Swiss came up with as an emergency SMG what would they think of the Sten!

  • @Shadowstrom
    @Shadowstrom 3 года назад +8

    "Very expensive to manufacture, very finely tuned and precisely made contraption" well sounds like he hit all of the Swiss stereotypes

  • @ekscalybur
    @ekscalybur 6 лет назад +186

    11 pound submachine gun. Oof.

    • @jameshealy4594
      @jameshealy4594 6 лет назад +8

      IKR, almost as heavy as my first single-shot air rifle.

    • @netenes1
      @netenes1 5 лет назад +3

      Same as Thompson

    • @anthonyhayes1267
      @anthonyhayes1267 4 года назад +4

      @@netenes1 I think the Thompson has an extra pound. Imagine having an SMG that's about as heavy as an RPK

    • @glimpyrimpy6258
      @glimpyrimpy6258 4 года назад +2

      At least recoil isn't that much of an issue...

    • @davidgruen7423
      @davidgruen7423 3 года назад

      @@jameshealy4594 lol, that’s a funny comparison, I guess you don’t think it’s too heavy?

  • @turb0b0ytim
    @turb0b0ytim 5 лет назад +12

    that toggle lock is beautifully machined.

  • @Papperlapappmaul
    @Papperlapappmaul 6 лет назад +76

    3:20 Come on, it's not uglier than a Sten Mk V with a wooden stock. Don't get me wrong -- this thing _is_ ugly, no doubts there. But I don't find it exceptionally ugly.

    • @Papperlapappmaul
      @Papperlapappmaul 6 лет назад +6

      Yeah, me too. But I think in the case of the owen the paint job makes it look worse than it actually is. There are a few pictures of unpainted owens with wire stocks, black pistol grips and without the wholes in the back of the lower receiver floating around. These look almost decent for a simple smg.

    • @dscrappygolani7981
      @dscrappygolani7981 4 года назад

      Like your chocolates better. And the clocks.

    • @allangibson8494
      @allangibson8494 4 года назад +1

      @@Papperlapappmaul All the Owens were painted green and yellow from the factory. They were refinished black in the late 1950's when rebuilt.

    • @mbsb1376
      @mbsb1376 4 года назад

      I think all of Swiss guns must have the shittiest woods possible, none of them look good which is astonishing.

    • @sebastianriz4703
      @sebastianriz4703 3 года назад

      its not as ugly as an Viper

  • @MrJimheeren
    @MrJimheeren 6 лет назад +24

    Oh boy new forgotten weapons. Swiss space magic

  • @TheGearhead222
    @TheGearhead222 6 лет назад +3

    Strangely enough, I bought three 700 or so round battle packs for this gun in 7.62 x 25mm Tokarev from The Sportsman's Guide about 20 years ago. I distinctively remember seeing the ammo battle pack labeled for the MP41. Was very surprised when I discovered (back then) that this was a toggle bolt SMG. No idea whatsoever what country used these in Tok caliber, but the ammo is very high quality and I still have one battle pack left:)-John in Texas

  • @xavier1278
    @xavier1278 6 лет назад +25

    Love when your allowed to break it down. I like seeing how the firearms function

    • @candidmoe8741
      @candidmoe8741 6 лет назад +5

      Nobody explains things better than Gun Jesus!

  • @ohredhk
    @ohredhk 6 лет назад +87

    Over engineering is no longer enough to describe this one...

  • @thegoldencaulk2742
    @thegoldencaulk2742 6 лет назад +159

    8:35 "Yeah, I totally knew that was gonna happen..."

    • @d4ngru5h83
      @d4ngru5h83 6 лет назад +5

      "Haha yeah, sure you did Ian 😅 very smoothly done 😎"

    • @taylordavison6849
      @taylordavison6849 6 лет назад +3

      8:35 "Surprise, mothafucka!"

    • @sylum3
      @sylum3 5 лет назад +1

      Guys we all know he disassembles every gun before shooting the vid

  • @Braun30
    @Braun30 6 лет назад +6

    During the war Switzerland bought many Suomi from Finland, I still shot one of these in the early 1980s.

  • @kodiakkeith
    @kodiakkeith 6 лет назад +56

    I like it. Needs some brass parts to get totally Steampunk.

    • @desperado8605
      @desperado8605 6 лет назад

      kodiakkeith replace the vfg with a brass one

    • @notpulverman9660
      @notpulverman9660 6 лет назад

      kodiakkeith ew

    • @M50A1
      @M50A1 3 года назад +1

      Steampunk is tacky. Embrace Dieselpunk

  • @ethanscrima4439
    @ethanscrima4439 4 года назад +8

    Wow... I love brilliant designs that suck in practice

  • @nathanshocklee1015
    @nathanshocklee1015 6 лет назад +14

    RUclips:
    Adolph?
    SHUT IT DOWN..

    • @hachikiina
      @hachikiina 4 года назад

      it's not shutting down!

  • @johnchoate6909
    @johnchoate6909 3 года назад +6

    *Swiss Kid* "Mom, can we have an MP-41?"
    **Swiss Mom* " "We already have an MP-41 at home..."

  • @emilhajbert5326
    @emilhajbert5326 6 лет назад +60

    The video of him shooting it better be named “Feeling the Bern” since this was made in Bern

    • @emilhajbert5326
      @emilhajbert5326 6 лет назад +6

      *Spoiler alert* it is cause i have early access

    • @Wolf_Larsen
      @Wolf_Larsen 6 лет назад +4

      Emil Hajbert come to think of it, this gun resembles Bernie Sanders and his campaign in many ways.

    • @emilhajbert5326
      @emilhajbert5326 6 лет назад +1

      Captain BaseBallBat-Boy True

    • @Manx123
      @Manx123 4 года назад +1

      @@Wolf_Larsen Cringe.

    • @wraithwyvern528
      @wraithwyvern528 4 года назад +1

      Founded on empty promises, incredibly expensive, full of awkwardness, and overall incredibly inefficient? Sounds about right to me

  • @asteroidrules
    @asteroidrules 6 лет назад +12

    I can't help but laugh watching the disassembly on this thing, highly unusual, extremely overengineered, and dangerously Swiss. Watching the entire lock and barrel assembly spill out the back when you pull the charging handle reminds me somewhat of the disassembly of the Madsen LMG or the Maxim gun, not exactly the system you'd think makes for a practical SMG. Seems like Furrer was trying to reinvent the wheel.

  • @spartanxmonster
    @spartanxmonster 6 лет назад +9

    On the list of things you don't want to hear said during a weapons disassembly, add "put it on semi-auto and dry fire it."

    • @spartanxmonster
      @spartanxmonster 6 лет назад +2

      My favorite saying from that list is still "..and I swear I'm not making this up, this IS what's actually printed in the manual.."

    • @Theweouthereforrealclub-
      @Theweouthereforrealclub- 6 лет назад +2

      You should look at the loading procedure for a Mk19. It’s disconcerting to say the least.

    • @keithlarsen7557
      @keithlarsen7557 6 лет назад

      Glock?! Well, Actually lots of idiots get shot doing that.

  • @Siskiyous6
    @Siskiyous6 6 лет назад +14

    "Ugliest SMG ever" and that is one competitive designation.

  • @TheGr8fuljoe
    @TheGr8fuljoe 3 года назад +3

    I imagine Swiss machinists really enjoyed the guaranteed employment.

  • @CarlosRodriguez-dd4sb
    @CarlosRodriguez-dd4sb 6 лет назад +60

    It is always interesting to see when the personal interests of a specific group takes precedence over need. It's like the F-35

    • @nehc_tnecniv
      @nehc_tnecniv 6 лет назад +20

      Carlos Rodriguez yeah except the F35 is actually good

    • @sjoormen1
      @sjoormen1 6 лет назад +26

      Of course is good. It doesn't have toggle lock.

    • @xmm-cf5eg
      @xmm-cf5eg 6 лет назад +13

      The f-35 is 8% of the entire US military budget for like two prototype planes
      and it's also a piece of shit that can barely stay in the air and is at max flight weight already trying to keep the entire thing from exploding into itself.
      It makes the F-22 Raptor look cost effective, which is a feat in of itself.
      there's an entire website dedicated to getting the F-35 project cancelled, as it should be.

    • @tedarcher9120
      @tedarcher9120 6 лет назад +4

      7.62 x39mm it's too late. Cancelling it will be much more expensive than carrying on

    • @weasle2904
      @weasle2904 5 лет назад +12

      @@xmm-cf5eg lol what, look up F 35 air shows. It's extremely maneuverable with very good thrust to weight.
      It's also actually pretty cost effective, $85 million for a 5th generation fighter that is top of the line. Best avionics in history, world class radar, extremely good stealth and small RCS.
      It's actually a very good air craft, and is extremely successful with TONS of countries buying them now

  • @kurtbjorn3841
    @kurtbjorn3841 4 года назад +3

    In today's dollars, just guessing... Soviet PPS Subgun: $200. Swiss insane (but stupidly cool) monstrosity here: $5000. Reminds me of some Czech designs in the beauty of manufacture, but the Czechs were more talented and practical. A blowback tube subgun is probably the simplest firearm in the world to actually create, once you have a decent magazine design. This thing... you could probably modify it to use much higher pressure cartridges if there was any need. Anyway, Swiss engineering overkill of the highest order.

  • @Anonymous8421
    @Anonymous8421 2 года назад +2

    Putting springs in a magazine pouch is one of the most swiss things I've ever heard

  • @wildernessshouter
    @wildernessshouter 6 лет назад +1

    I love forgotten weapons channel. It's one of the channels I watch repeatedly. Sometimes the same video a few times.

  • @matthayward7889
    @matthayward7889 6 лет назад +2

    08:43 you neatly caught that operating mechanism, Ian!

  • @AtlasJotun
    @AtlasJotun 2 года назад

    The toggle-locked madness is why I bought the Elbonia shirt picturing that country's armament of MP-41 and stocked Lugers...

  • @KarlfMjolnir
    @KarlfMjolnir 6 лет назад +1

    A classic Swiss weapon. Obscenely complicated and demanding very precise machining. - Ian McCollum on an earlier video

  • @ToastytheG
    @ToastytheG 6 лет назад +9

    2:19 🤔 The superintendent's gonna need his medication...

    • @robotbjorn4952
      @robotbjorn4952 6 лет назад +3

      Sub machine gun but heavier than a battle rifle and more expensive than an anti tank gun.

  • @angelgames9351
    @angelgames9351 4 года назад +4

    Complicated or not, toggle locks look cool

  • @ianmacfarlane1241
    @ianmacfarlane1241 6 лет назад +3

    Just saw a video on Simple History about the TOZ (or TP) 80/81/82 survival 'pistols' issued to Russian Cosmonauts.
    I'd love to see a video on that.

  • @michaleeuwe
    @michaleeuwe 6 лет назад +1

    Love to see you fire this smg, looks very good to me.

  • @rodrigodepierola
    @rodrigodepierola 2 года назад +1

    - How complicated are you making this gun?
    - Yes

  • @Mrspyro2000
    @Mrspyro2000 6 лет назад +56

    Cant stop looking at the MG42 in the back.

    • @Mrspyro2000
      @Mrspyro2000 6 лет назад

      ye dont know how to spot one at that angle.

    • @burnerheinz
      @burnerheinz 6 лет назад +7

      conciddering that it is in switzerland it might be an MG51

    • @michael3556
      @michael3556 6 лет назад

      Neither could Furrer apparently

    • @lordsummerisle87
      @lordsummerisle87 6 лет назад +3

      Most likely it has been used to kill zero grandpas if it's Swiss.

    • @xmm-cf5eg
      @xmm-cf5eg 6 лет назад

      I could go for a good MG-2 right about now.

  • @Jay-bz3df
    @Jay-bz3df 3 года назад

    this was shot just few minutes away from me n im vibing thanks for sking

  • @johncox2865
    @johncox2865 29 дней назад

    Great research, Ian!

  • @BRBMrSoul
    @BRBMrSoul 2 года назад +1

    Me: *turns crouch, and ADS to toggle in my options*
    Furrer: *knowingly nods in the afterlife*

  • @BillMurray137
    @BillMurray137 6 лет назад +4

    Holy crap, video published one hour ago and 4500 people have already watched it? 722,000 subscribers? Congrats Ion, I didn't realize......you do deserve it though.

  • @jackgalati1950
    @jackgalati1950 6 лет назад

    I hope this video doesn't get taken down, good luck Ian

  • @caspergear
    @caspergear 6 лет назад +4

    Are you in Switzerland?? So am I! Let me buy you a beer!

    • @ForgottenWeapons
      @ForgottenWeapons  6 лет назад +4

      I was when I filmed this, but am not now. Sorry!

  • @marvininabox
    @marvininabox 4 года назад +1

    "You don't understand"
    *"We have to make it toggle bolt"*

  • @sapiranha7042
    @sapiranha7042 6 лет назад +2

    in a way it reminds me the madsen lmg
    both have the barrel recoil a a short distance and is the only part on spring tension and the bolt moves in a relation to the barrel position by cam tracks

  • @Kataclysm113
    @Kataclysm113 25 дней назад

    i feel like a very simple way to fix the ergonomic problems with the whole right side magazine thing would be to just... rotate the entire action of the gun by 90 degrees. the magazine sticks out the bottom, the toggle cover sits on top, you could probably even mount the rear sight on there if it's sturdy enough, and you'd just have to figure out a way to trip the firing sear from the side, which doesn't seem too hard? a major convenience in exchange for the slight downgrade of a little extra height over bore for the rear sight, which lets be honest, with an SMG doesn't really matter too greatly.

  • @aldoraine3364
    @aldoraine3364 6 лет назад +1

    Gotta appreciate Swiss craftsmanship

  • @mtnbound2764
    @mtnbound2764 4 года назад

    I love how there's just an mg42(or variant of) chillin in the background.

  • @avionics21
    @avionics21 3 года назад +2

    Elbonian parliment: "Perfect!!! We'll take them but only if they're chambered in 25acp!!!"

  • @michiamonessuno7016
    @michiamonessuno7016 2 года назад

    I don't know if someone wrote about it before (cannot read hundreds of comments, I've got a life 😉) but I believe that the magazine pouches were designed in order to pick the magazines from the bottom. Did you noticed the leather lid on the bottom? Why putting that there? It has sense, the bottom of the pouches is on hips and it's easy to open the lid, slide down a magazine and put it on the gun, just release the empty magazine, lower your arm to the hips, open the bottom lid, pick a magazine, (all retained by a spring, so they don't fall) close the lid (there are a long strap and two holes, I believe on purpose), load the gun...
    What do you think?

  • @markmathisen3908
    @markmathisen3908 6 месяцев назад

    That trigger group/grip make it look like someone jammed a very well made pistol into the stock and action of a very well made rifle. 😂

  • @crazyfvck
    @crazyfvck 6 лет назад +5

    I read the title too quickly, and though it said that he had a toggle-lock fetish :P

  • @koroplays3200
    @koroplays3200 6 лет назад +1

    I wouldn't say it's ugly.it's got it's own unique style.I like it.

  • @Punisher9419
    @Punisher9419 6 лет назад +9

    Are you meeting up with Bloke on the Range?

  • @BleedingUranium
    @BleedingUranium 6 лет назад +5

    Here I am thinking "That's the coolest-looking SMG ever made!", and then Ian goes and calls it the ugliest. :(

  • @kingkonut
    @kingkonut 6 лет назад

    Those swiss and their precision machining and complicated actions - it must be the only country where a factory producing firearms can easily change over to watchmaking or medical supplies

  • @Shiruvan
    @Shiruvan 6 лет назад +3

    13:50, seems to be finger holes meant to help pushing out the magazines?

  • @RainShadow-yi3xr
    @RainShadow-yi3xr 10 месяцев назад

    Meanwhile in the UK we were gluing bits of plumbing together to make an SMG that basically just as effective.

  • @kenhelmers2603
    @kenhelmers2603 6 лет назад +2

    An interesting SMG - would be fun to shoot a mag or three through it :) Thanks Ian!

  • @juanordonezgalban2278
    @juanordonezgalban2278 Год назад

    Those internals scaled up is what I'd exepct to find on a heavy machinegun.

  • @Merril_39
    @Merril_39 3 года назад

    If they ditched the stock. Flipped the receiver 90 degrees. Added a folding metal stock and a stamped pistol grip, I feel this design would be interesting.

  • @ineednochannelyoutube5384
    @ineednochannelyoutube5384 6 лет назад +1

    Could such an action take an intermediate cartridge?

  • @pietrotacconelli8311
    @pietrotacconelli8311 6 лет назад +2

    Swiss
    toggle-lock
    smg
    Nothing could possibly go wro....

  • @MisteriosGloriosos922
    @MisteriosGloriosos922 2 года назад

    *VERY informative...Thanks for share!!!*

  • @jennibaker3444
    @jennibaker3444 3 года назад

    I want one! And those cool magazine holders too!

  • @DrewHollenback
    @DrewHollenback 2 года назад +1

    This thing is ridiculously complicated for a war time sub gun

  • @Brennan_the_smith
    @Brennan_the_smith 6 лет назад

    yes I have alway wanted a video on this gun ever since I saw it in a book I bought

  • @swagner58
    @swagner58 6 лет назад +1

    I am simply going to have to design a "Boon-Doggle Locking System" weapon.

  • @goaliesforpres
    @goaliesforpres 6 лет назад +4

    This is my favorite gun Jesus shirt.
    I’d like to think it’s also gun Jesus’ favorite shirt as well.

    • @rdek99
      @rdek99 6 лет назад +1

      Me too. I'd love to know where to pick one up!

    • @ForgottenWeapons
      @ForgottenWeapons  6 лет назад +16

      My mother made it for me. :)

  • @atilliar
    @atilliar 6 лет назад +1

    Man, I love toggle lock guns!!!

  • @ThePlayingDutchman
    @ThePlayingDutchman 6 лет назад

    Whaaat? You were actually here in Kreuzlingen? I just live about 200 meters away from the Kessler Auktionen AG!
    Crazy... And I grew up in Güttingen, where Mr. Kessler startet his business with a small gun shop, which makes it even feel more crazier to me realizing that you must have been just around the corner here. I hope you had a great time here. :-D

  • @CommodoreFluffy
    @CommodoreFluffy 6 лет назад +1

    aside from the godaweful ergonomics, the barreled action doesn't look that bad (if expensive to produce). I'd almost want to see it rotated 90 degrees with a pistol grip around the magwell and an folder stock

  • @iglooproductions
    @iglooproductions 6 лет назад +2

    Almost guaranteed Dice will put this in the next Battlefield if it’s ( unfortunately ) WW2.

  • @Blade40688
    @Blade40688 6 лет назад

    As soon as i looked up from my bowl of oatmeal i saw that ejection port and hood and just stopped and said " Holy shit a side toggle locked sub gun.... That's cool as shit"

  • @ProsyMe
    @ProsyMe 6 лет назад +2

    You're in Switzerland?! I would genuinely like to have my picture taken with you because I like your content :(

  • @SportbikerNZ
    @SportbikerNZ 5 лет назад

    So SIG really got the short end of the stick. Not only having the sensible option that should have been chosen originally, but again overlooked in favour of the Finn sub gun when Furrer struggled to supply.

  • @YoMomsDaBombDotCom
    @YoMomsDaBombDotCom 5 лет назад

    Nice watching a gun channel with a lefty reviewer. Makes for relatable content.