Narrowboat Home CRUSHED | We Were In A Dangerous Situation! | Vlog 128
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- Опубликовано: 20 окт 2023
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Finally!
We can tell you what happened to our TINY NARROWBOAT HOME in Keadby Lock and why we needed to urgently take her out of the water.
What damage had been done?
Who would we turn to for help?
Why was Jan crying? And would our stress levels cope...!?
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♫ MUSIC: ♫
In video music:
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1. Worthy Of Greatness* - Opening
2. Epiphany* - Cruise to Thorne
3. Generations - End credits
All tracks composed by Cody Martin
[* - Can be found on Spotify]
We've turned comments off for this vlog.
Everything has been said and explained throughly, although there are still some people who don't understand the following:
1. This is a manned lock where the responsibility for the safe operation of the lock, checking a boat is safe in the lock etc., lies with the lock keeper not the skipper.
2. The control tower where the lock keeper sits is located some distance away from the lock and although there is cctv, it does not cover the entire lock and isn't the best image.
3. The procedure is for the lock keeper to ensure you are safely in the lock, ropes around chains (which you can hear was requested prior to us entering) before lock operations commence. The best way, as the lock keeper to do this is to be lock side *before* you operate the lock.
4. Yes, there was a radio call that stated quite clearly "We are in the lock."
It did not state that we were in a safe position to commence lock procedures. Had that been the case the radio call would be "We are all safe and ready"
Once again, as the responsible lock keeper the procedure is for them to be 'in no doubt' that the vessels were safe 'before' commencing further.
5. The footage you can see of us attempting to move forward is because the lock keeper decided to commence operations *before* checking all vessels were safe.
The chains you tie to are flimsy and weren't attached to the wall securely. Had the lock keeper been in attendance we could have secured our lines to the bollards at the side of the lock.
6. Several others have commented that this is far from being an isolated incident and they have also encountered similar near misses. Clearly there are issues here that the navigation authority need to address (if they haven't already) to do with training and evaluation of procedures.
7. Abuse is something we don't condone. However we've received comments that have been abusive towards us and these have been reported to RUclips and those people banned from the system.
We've also received disturbing emails threatening all kinds of things.
We won't ever respond to such communications and any such messages will, and have been reported to the necessary authorities.
that surveyor is brilliant, he came out when our boat no proble got hit by a tree and was so helpful above and beyond, lovely chap
Wow that's always a fear - a falling tree. Hope everything is OK with you and your boat? Yes David is an excellent surveyor, very thorough.
@MakingNewMemories she got repaired but never felt same again. Now sold and having new adapted one built at hillmorton. We move onto a hire boat next week and new one will be ready January
That's a shame but we wish you every success with your new boat - and happy cruising!
So glad no one was hurt. So sorry for all the damage to your home. I hope its all fixed by now
Hi Karen and thank you for your concern ❤️
Everything fixed and we're back cruising again. Normal vlogs will resume 👍
When I saw the lock gate hit the boat I said it's going to crush her...omg I started to cry. I'm so glad she is ok..
Thank you. Everything fixed and now back out cruising.
Well done Nationwide Narrowboats. Glad your base is ok, at least the rest can be repaired, and most of all your both safe.
A definite 👍 to Steve and the team at Nationwide.
Jan and Tony I’m so sorry this happened to you. I’m watching this in October so hope your boat is fixed by now and you both can enjoy a less stressful time
Thank you. Yes, all repaired and back out cruising again.👍
So happy to hear that the hull has not been damaged. That would really have made for some stressful times. No failed welds, no leaks, no bent hull are all good things. I hope that when the repair is done they tale the cabinet out so you can inspect well behind it for piece of mind, even though the surveyor has done the needful.
Cheers!
Steve Ellis, who undertook the repairs, did discover that the unit had indeed twisted, there was quite a bigger gap at the back than first thought and that it wasn't worth repairing, so made something to replace it.
Oh Bless You Tony and Jan ❤ What an awful thing to have happen to your home. So, so glad the damage wasn't to the frame of the boat but that is little comfort when you are obviously so stressed about when the internal damage can be fixed and who will have to pay for it. Thankfully you have video footage! I'm watching this on 21st October so hopefully everything is now sorted and you are once again laughing and enjoying your cruising. Take care and stay safe. Sending big hugs to Jan as her tears made me well up too 🤗😥.
Thank you Jill.
Lovely of you to comment. ❤️
It was, indeed, very stressful at the time, but thankfully we were surrounded by some wonderful people who have since become our friends.
Sending you lots of love ❤️❤️
OMG I can't believe this has happened to you, I have been travelling to Keadby every year since 1995 , this is the only year no one has come to check and take my ropes, same lock keepertold me to put a rope around the chains which wasn't even fixed at the bottom and as we where the only boat (fibre glass) would have hit the other side with force if I hadn't of noticed. Whilst at Keadby a narrow boat turned up at 7.45pm and was complaining they was booked in coming from Torksey and she went home at 7pm because she lives in Keadby didn't attempt to contact the expected boat even though she had there number. They was left for nearly an hour outside on the trent Whilst crt told her to go back. Everyone we spoke to said she has a very bad reputation. This was in end of August when I was there. She needs to go we can not have this type of behaviour on a major lock like Keadby. I hope all turns out in your favour.
Hi Lee and thank you for sharing your story.
I think it highlights to those who have blamed us for what happened, that there is (was) a series problem at Keadby.
As you've highlighted and as we have been told, ours is not the first time potentially dangerous incidents have occurred on this lock keepers watch.
You have to ask yourself why, having been told on the radio to open the gates because there was a problem, did the lockie not come down and check everything was OK *before* closing the gates?
Is there a complaints mechanism where you can lodge written formal complaints about this person? She's obviously not into the job, she didn't even come down to check all was well before proceeding shutting the lock. I would've thought that would be part of her job, an actual requirement before proceeding with the shutting/opening of the lock.
Hi Jan and Tony - so glad you’re both ok, what a horrible thing to happen. I hope there will be a good final resolution. Thanks for the vlog!
Thank you Ben. It took some time to arrange everything with our insurance company, but everything is OK and we're back cruising again 👍
My goodness what a traumatic experience for you both, it is your home and you care about it. Glad to know that you are on the ball with claims and repairs. Good to see you are both recovering from the trauma.
Thank you Madeline ❤ It caused a lot of stress! Thankfully our insurance company sorted everything out and although it was quite a wait to get the OK for repairs, we're now back cruising again! 👍
Glad your exterior is ok, says a lot about the company that constructed her. Hang in there, as always this will pass and life will become normal again, filled with happy thoughts.
That's what the surveyor said. He was impressed with the baseplate and the overall construction of the steelwork.
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My gosh, that must have been so stressful and frightening. I am very glad that you are both safe and the boat is pretty much ok. What a lot of work you have ahead of you...sending hugs.
Thank you so much Justine
What an awful thing to go through, must have been terrifying. Glad to hear no damage to the shell of the boat and hope you manage to get the internal damage sorted.
Hi Liz and Paul. (and Ernie!)
The shock kicked in 24hrs later when we sat down with Mark from nb Nelwyn to recount what happened.
I don't think we got over it until after everything was fixed, which was several weeks later.
And of course it totally screwed up whatever plans we had for this year!
Hope you're getting on OK and adjusting to your new life afloat.
Safe cruising....hope to catch up one day 👍
Oh my goodness, how blummin stressful that must have been! So glad everything is ok - just wanted to give you a big hug Jan! Here’s to uneventful cruising from now on 🤞🏻🙏🏻🥰🥰🥰
Thank you so much Lesley. Sending love - have a lovely week. ❤
Thanks for the update. I am hoping things are better for you now. What a dreadful experience.
Thank you Elizabeth. We're both OK and put it behind us, but naturally watching this again brings it all back!
Wow what a scary experience and hopefully it will all be resolved as it should be. Hugs to both of you ❤
Awww thank you both x
It's been a pig of a year, we missed out on the summer, nowhere where we planned to be and are still loitering around the same area due to lock closures and now flooding! Aggghhhh 🥺
Wow! What a story. I hope that all the repairs have been done by now.
Hi. Yes, everything all attended to and we're back cruising 👍
Oh my goodness. That's a lot of damage. So glad the baseplate is ok,that's the most worrying. Hope you are recovering from the stress
Hi Karen and thank you. ❤️
Recovery took some time but we're both OK and keen to continue our cruising.
So glad the base plate is all right. What an awful scare you’ve had. These boats are our homes and the thought of losing them doesn’t bear thinking about. I would have had a good cry too.
So sorry this happened, must’ve been so stressful for you both and how frustrating that the interior isn’t an easy fix. But glad there’s no damage to The Boat and you can keep cruising! ❤🎉
Thank you so much guys 👍❤ All OK here and back cruising although not exactly where we had planned to be!
Glad your both ok and the damage can be repaired
Thanks Sid. All fixed now and back out again!
Jan & Tony, good news that the baseplate is ok. Hope you are able to get repairs done before October. Take care, we will be watching for updates. Bryan & Donna
Hi Bryan and Donna. Repairs all completed and we're back cruising again 👍
Omg Jan and Tony so glad its out of water......... it's your home.. your life............. so as I watch this now and we are into the last week of October, hoping that by now your boat is all fixed, and you are travelling along your destination...... and I hope you get something back from the inland waterways.... its their fault you had this happen to you. glad that you have video edivence... from the other boaters. take care guys we love you and love watching you.
Awww thank you so much Lyn for your lovely supportive comments ❤️
Thankfully everything is behind us now and we can move forward and get back cruising, although we're several months behind our planned route. But that's the vagaries of living this life - you can be thrown a curve ball at anytime and you have to go with it.
Thanks again for your love and support 👍
Have a great week and catch up next time. XX
Thanks for the video highlighting this incident and your explanation. To be philosophical, thankful no one was hurt. Hope all goes well with with the repairs and your on your way soon. Best wishes.
Everyone OK thank you 👍
Hi Tony and Jan. I’m so sorry to hear about this incident and the damage occasioned to your boat and pleased to learn from your subsequent video that the repairs have been carried out. Best wishes and hoping your future cruises are less eventful. Alan🤠
Thank you Alan. Yes, all sorted now and back cruising. The only things to avoid now are lock closures and flooding!
Oh my goodness, this is terrifying. I hope that everything is sorted now. Glad the baseplate is ok. You must have both been out of your minds with worry. Hopefully your next vlog will be full of good news. Blessings to you both xxx
Thank you so much Karen, it was horrendous at the time and it gives us goosebumps thinking about it again.
Everything all repaired and sorted and we're back cruising 👍
good see the you r not to bad and the boat is ok and it can be fixed thanks lee
Thank you Lee. Everything is all OK. Have a great week my friend 👍
Sorry to hear about your troubles, good luck with your repairs
Thank you 👍
Such a horrible thing to have happen. We are so relieved to see she is ok. Sending big 🧸 hugs to you both. 🧸🧸❤️
Awww thank you Bears. Sending you hugs too 🫠🫠❤️❤️
I'm so glad your narrow boat was all sorted and nothing at all seriously wrong. All the very best to you both and happy sailing. God bless you both and good luck👍
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that's terrible such bad luck, I hope you get it sorted ASAP. Good luck to you both.
Thank you all sorted and now back cruising again!
Hope you have got your home fixed and back out cruising. Take care and Regards. Will.
Thank you Will ❤️
All finally sorted and back out cruising and vlogging 👍
Hi jan & tony followed you for long time now sorry to hear about your incident hopefully you get sorted as quickly as possible ,and not at your cost she was at fault for not checking we’re all in safely
Thank you for your patronage over the years Dennis.
Everything was eventually sorted and our insurance company are now pursuing the other side to recover their costs.
Oh bless you both ....hope it all gets sorted as soon as possible for you .....its your home and you should feel save and secure in it ........sending night hugs xxxxx.
Awww thanks Lorraine. ❤️❤️❤️
All OK now. Take care and have a lovely week. XX
Nationwide ,brings back memories,think Pete still go the same trousers on. I went down to keadby because the lock was out,I watched the river for a week and decided against it. There was full trees and huge stick islands going up and down!
Pete was very helpful to us, we were lucky we were in that area.👍
It is scary when you watch a tidal river moving at speed with so much debris in it. We witnessed the same thing at Selby when we went to check on the Ouse. As you say, whole tree trunks floating down is as much of a worry as the actual flow itself!
As with others I have watched this in October, goodness how distressing that must have been for you both. I hope you have it all sorted now and able to relax a little and enjoy your cruising. Best wishes to you both and keep your lovely vlogs coming.
Thank you John. Yes, all sorted now and back cruising! 👍
Very upsetting for you both. I’m glad you got lucky with the lift out and that externally you have no problems. Hope the quote was ok and the work was soon arranged and completed 👍 shows how things can easily go horribly wrong in a lock.
Cheers Paul. It was lucky we were in this location and we had three boatyards who could provide quotes.
Thankfully things are now all sorted and we're back cruising 👍
I welled up when your boat's hull was given the all clear and saw the relief in your face. Hope you soon get the interior repaired ❤ Cath x
Ps... the boat in the middle in the lock, moors 2 boats away from us at our marina. A couple from Canada own it.
Hello Narrowboat Emerald 🖐
If you see the couple on that boat, please send them our best wishes. They pushed on after we cleared the lock and were probably totally obvious to what happened. According to eye witnesses they apparently rode up on our port gunwhales!
@MakingNewMemories Crikey. They are back in Canada now. (Vancoover Island) They come to the UK for 3 months of the year and just head off on their boat so rarely see them. I guess no damage was done to theirs, and they thought no more about it? Someone looks after it on our marina for them. I will mention it! 🙂
Very glad You are both OK. Spoolbox.
Thank you! 👍
Hi Jan and Tony so glad that The Boat is safe and sound apart from internal damage, must be helpful having video footage for insurance purposes, hope lock keeper gets hauled over the coals for her lack of safety procedure especially in a large lock full of boats xx
Thank you ❤️
All now OK and back cruising which we've missed...
I just hope and pray that your lovely boat/home will be sorted very soon. I can see that your very nice people and I wish you both all the very very best.
Thank you so much Nick.❤️
Our home has now all be sorted and we're back cruising again 👍
Sorry to hear this. Hope things are sorted soon so at least you know what's what.
Cheers! All sorted and on our way again!
Having been away from our widebeam for a couple of weeks, we have returned to realise you are moored just across the grass from us! Hope all is going well now. Hope to see you around. We are on the Green widebeam. Helen and Fred.
Hi Helen and Fred. Here for a few days whilst the flooding dies down and we can get back onto the S&K.
Think we're going to give the cafe a try out this afternoon...!😋
So glad you and your boat are ok. How stressful that must have been for you both. Hope everything is sorted by now
Hi Lesley, yes everything now all sorted after long delays, but at least we're back cruising 👍
Pleased to hear that the boat's baseplate is good and although the damage to the galley floor and cupboards is extensive it can be repaired. Take care and stay safe. Regards and best wishes Viktoria.
Thank you Viktoria. I think the surveyor was impressed with how well our boat had been constructed especially the base plate. EVerything all fixed and we're back out cruising. 👍
Hope everything works out for you guys. Good luck.
Thank you ❤️
OMW how absolutely awful for you and terrifying. hope You have been able to get it all sorted out by now. How scary for you both
Thank you Liz. Yes, all sorted thanks to Steve Ellis and our insurance company....cruising vlogs will continue!
So sorry to hear this. Hope it can be sorted swiftly.
Thanks Russell 👍 All now sorted and back cruising.
So sorry that happened to your home. Since it is October I hope things have been sorted and things are back to normal.
Thank you Dorothy ❤️
Yes all sorted now and back cruising again 👍
Hell, that must have been so stressful for you! So glad that you are both safe and that the boat is repairable! Best of luck from Japan, from us both!
Thanks so much Ian. ❤ Have a lovely weekend!
Glad your boat is okay
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Im sorry you went through this im just glad no one was injured and you didnt lose your home i only hope you surveyor can push the crt to take all appropriate action and make sure the whole incident is fully investigated and your refunded all costs and hopefully get some compensation awarded
Thank you Nathan for being understanding.
The surveyor can only provide a report to the insurance company based on the evidence and facts laid before him. He's not in a position to make recommendations.
However, our insurance company can chase the other sides representative and make a claim against them to recoup their losses based on the evidence, the surveyors report and eye witness testimonies.
@@MakingNewMemories the other good thing is you have he incident on film aswell , also I would be asking if the lock keeper was already under investigation for the same thing then why weren't they suspended until the investigation was completed
Hi Jan and Tony we have our own Narrowboat and thank you for sharing your experience with us. Hope you have managed to have your boat repaired must have been a worrying time. Looking forward to seeing this. Ruth and David NB Life's Too Short
Thank you Ruth and David 👍 Repairs all completed and we're back cruising again. May catch up with you sometime...???
Yes hopefully meet you our boat is caller life's Too Short we're on the Llangollen at the moment but in the spring we're heading down the Trent Mersey
What a horrible experience 😮 and a lot of damage. Hope your insurance sorts it. Big hug to both of you ❤❤
Awww thanks for the hugs Gabriele ❤️❤️
Insurance has been a comfort and sorted everything for us and we're now back cruising 👍
OMG. Hope CRT makes good on the damages, that your premiums don't go up, AND that that horrid lockkeeper gets sacked. She's incompetent, or has a lousy attitude, or both. Hope your home is/was restored to your satisfaction. Happy cruising! 💝💗💖
Thank you. Our insurance company have been taking care of everything including making a claim on the other party.
I do hope that you get the boat repaired alright. At least no one was hurt. Having done the journey into Keadby lock twice I appreciate your predicament. The lock keeper is clearly at fault and I hope that you are not too upset.
Cheers Simon. ❤ Not upset now, we were at the time and angry tbh. Now, thankfully everything has been repaired and insurance company making a claim against the other party.
Bless both off glad you was not hurt and lucky you got radio to stop gate closing and doing more damage has the boat that was crushed with you must have had a lot damage as well lucky the man filmed she cannot worm her way out off it hope CRT have learnt something from it hope it's all fixed and boat OK and you both well
Hi Nicola and thank you.
The boat in the middle suffered no damage as it rode up on our gunwhales according to eye witnesses.
Mark, the guy filming had some scrapes to the side of his boat which he repainted a few days later when we were at Thorne.
Our boat has now been repaired and we're back cruising 👍
Dang! Scary! The Boat is your home, so you certainly don’t want anything to happen to her. Very stressful event.
Dang indeed Brigid! Thankfully all now OK, but a scary time nonetheless ❤️
I used to work at Staniland's back in 1966/67, small world.
It's still very busy and everyone has been really helpful.👍
This was so scary and worrying just to watch so can't imagine what it was like for you. We were sure there was going to be major structural damage 😥 so pleased there isn't but sorry you have all the hassle of the interior work, insurance claim etc. Hope you get it sorted soon 🤗
Thanks guys.
The realisation of what might have happened didn't sink in until a couple of days later.
It's been quite an ordeal waiting for quotes and insurance company to give us the green light and all the while we've had to wait around.
Thankfully it's all sorted, but it's meant our plans (such as they are!) have been delayed for this year, but that's boat life!
I'm confused, your'e experienced boaters and at 4.49 mins you told the lockkeeper that you were all in the lock when clearly you weren't? I've done a couple of barge holidays and lock safety was top of the list. Either your'e in a lock or your'e not.
One last time for those at the back (and those lurking in the dark recesses of the internet):-
1. This is a tidal lock operated by a professional lock keeper. Like all the other locks on the tidal trent the lockies job is to ensure the safety of all the vessels under their control. Any boater will tell you, it's custom and practise to be greeted by a lock keeper at such a lock.
You maybe the skipper of your vessel and be responsible for it, but you're not in charge or responsible for the safety or the operation of these locks.
2. In this lock you are supposed to secure your boat to chains, most of which don't attach to anything at the bottom so are next to useless. They certainly aren't going to hold an 18 ton narrowboat!
3. If you hadn't noticed, and you should when you enter any lock especially going down, the potential flood of water cascading over and through the top gates. Not only can this water flood the bow of your boat and cause it to sink, it also acts like a tide, pushing your boat back - especially these particularly badly maintained gates, the force of water is quite something. Therefore as you move forward to clear the bottom gates, without anything to secure your boat to the wall, it will inevitably push you back.
4. Yes, I admit I told the lock keeper we were all in the lock. And nothing more. There was no implication that we were safe and the lock keeper didn't ask.
Her job was to check that we were safely in the lock. The only way to do that was a visual inspection, not to take someone's word, or implication from a radio comment.
As explained earlier, it's *their* responsibility, not mine.
Had she come down she could have offered to take one or both ropes from us and wrap them round a bollard on the lock side if the chains were ineffective.
She didn't, instead she immediately closed the gates and as the footage shows I desperately tried to move the boat forward, but the force of the gate and the forces passed onto the other boats pinned us in.
Was there more I could have done?
Quite probably, but hindsight is an amazing thing, as are armchair critics who all think they know better.
The important thing to remember and gain from this is that we should not have been put in this situation in the first place.
Lock keepers are trained to be professional and do everything possible to avoid such events occurring. The safety of the vessels and the people in their locks being their primary concern.
Why did this happen?
You have to ask the navigation authority that question because they are the employer and the body ultimately responsible.
Ohhhhh gracious... this is terrible!!! I can feel your pain. This should have never happened and I hope that they fire that lazy lock keeper!
Thanks Ralph 👍
This was gross negligence by the lock keeper for failing to inspect the vessel positions in the lock before moving the gates.I'd still keep an eye on the prop shaft, packing glands, engine mounts, fuel lines; anything affixed to the hull.. Subscribed.
Thank you for subscribing, welcome aboard 👍
Interesting railway bridge / line ❤, but oh my word we really feel for you, CRT should definitely cover all your costs and give you compensation for stress. Disgraceful lock keeper that I hope is no longer working. Hope it all gets sorted for you soon, we are thinking of you ❤❤❤❤
Thank you Jacqeline ❤️ It's a very unique railway bridge, have never seen anything like it before.
We made the early decision to channel everything via our insurance company as time was of the essence. Sadly that sense of urgency wasn't felt from the navigation authority by their lack of a response to our original call.
We understand our insurance company are now making a claim against them...
Great vlog. I'm glad its all ok under the water line. Incredible how quick things can change. Good people at that yard. Fingers crossed eveything turns out ok. 🫵👍👍
Cheers Will and thank you. Surveyor was impressed with our base plate and now everything has been repaired or fixed and we've been back out cruising again!👍
So glad everything has worked out for you and your home is safe. What you got to remember is? At least you are both OK. And your home Can be repaired. Hope you have more happier times on the canal systems. If ever you're in the Southwest. I am a volunteer at the. Gloucester docs If you do come, this way would love to hear from you.😊❤
Thank you Dean, lovely to hear from you. Our initial plan for this year was head down the Avon, but we choose the Trent instead and looks like next year we'll spend most of it finishing off what we started!
Such is boat life!!
@@MakingNewMemories Thank you for your reply. Very nice to hear from you. Hope you have more happier times And best of luck to both.😊😊
Dang! You guys! How scary. I know The Boat will come out look and functioning even better than before… Hopefully by now, all is said and done…or done and dusted, as you Brit’s like to say.❤
Ha! 😁
Yes Jayne, all done and dusted 👍
Good luck with your boat 😮 and all the best for now
Thank you Suzanne ❤️
The railway bridge was very one off, even for English standards. I do hope the boat repairs are done well and that all the damage is put right.
Indeed, its a very unique bridge. Repairs all done and back cruising again 👍
Sorry to hear of troubles having and being a boat builder and owning a yard for nearly 50 years now retired I would impress on you because you have a generator and boat needs picking up stern heavy to mark on the side for future lift outs I used to weld a cross on each point on steel hulls and mark on wooden and fiberglass hulls so it never causes problems with lifting out good luck I hope you get a claim from the dreaded crt nice to see them pay out fir once ❤
Great advice
the boat flexed and went back into its position ,but fixtures stayed where they to been pushed to ,the floor would have been pushed as well but its only way was up ,hence flooring getting broke ,under the force ,
Exactly Malcolm, thankfully all repaired and we're back cruising again.
I had never heard of narrow boat homes before. I live in western Texas where water hundreds and hundreds of miles away. You video has me so intrigued and I will be watching and living vicariously through y'all. Told ya I'm from Texas, y'all and yeehaw.
Hi y'all from Texas and welcome to England!
Hope you enjoy watching 👍
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Oh my. What a worrying time. I hope you are now repaired. I hope the lock keeper has found another job since and CRT put a new safety measure in place to ensure the safety of its customers comes first. Sending hugs. Bless u. ❤
Thank you Trevor ❤️ Repairs all attended to 👍
We understand there has been some 'retraining.' How effective that is remains to be seen...
Have a great week my friend 🫠
@@MakingNewMemories Honestly, thank god you were recording and had another witness in the lock.
Hi Jan, Tony
Great that you have sent a reply & that you are okay.
I agree about the chains but i have only used high ropes at keadby, i ran out of Thorne 2003 to 2015 at which point i moved further up the River Trent , in the summer Keadby suffers from a thick carpet of weed which is a big problem for some boats.
The lock keepers then were good & always at the edge of the lock to assist with ropes etc.
I know 2 of the lock keepers well & they are very good , you unfortunately got the not so good one, sadly this situation wont improve as CRT are planning to use volunteers at keadby like they have at West Stockwith & Torksey.
The number of boats calling at West Stockwith per year as compared to 5 years ago is a lot less (300+ down to less than 100) so i can not see how CRT can say its a success using volunteers
Tidel locks should be manned by professionals in charge no problems with volunteers helping but not incharge.
Happy sailing
Cheers Mick and agree with your comments.
In all the years we've been boating we have always, always seen and been greeted by a lock keeper be they volunteer or professional, its part of the job!
Glad you're OK. Your claim should be easy pay out. You have everything on film.
Thanks David ❤ Our insurance company have cleared the claim having taking all the evidence into consideration and are now making a claim against the other party.
Oh my , so sorry to hear this , you two are so careful normally but the lock keeper should know her lock better than anyone , you couldn’t have known. I presume it’s a hydraulic ram that closes the gate ,really powerful and the fact that three were in the lock together ,your boat was held like in a vice . We will be using this lock maybe in the spring ,we will certainly be extra careful . A very trying time but so good of Nationwide to get you sorted quickly , hope the bulkhead is repaired now and you can choose some floor tiles , god speed, thanks for your vlogs which we enjoy and the thought and care that goes into them , see you on the cut. Glenn & Magali on NB Cygne d’Amour at Ripon.
Thank you Glen and Magali ❤️
They are powerful hydraulic gates and you're correct in saying that the effect of the force exerted on our boat pushed us altogether thereby leading to the damage causes.
Thankfully everything was eventually repaired.
Have a read of some other boaters experiences in the same lock, one as recently as August, and you'll discover that ours was far from being a rare occurrence...
Its quite bizzare that the wooden door compressed that steel hull that much and caused that extent of damage.
You should have an Air Horn or be ready on a VHF in that situation.
And did you not notice well before it started its closing cycle that is was not going to clear your stern ? Very unfortunate although in my opinion there's some contributory negligence in that mishap.
I am quite adept with locks as I pilot vessels through the Welland Canal , near Niagara Falls , a few dozen times a year with 8 locks thru the passage. ( all steel doors too )
Well I hope your vessel is fixable correctly. It's on my bucket list to charter a narrowboat in the near future and tour the UK in summer......
Large lock gates can weigh in excess of 4 tonnes each - these are likely bigger and use hydraulic rams to open and close. Air horn would be useless as the lock keepers control room is some way from the lock itself and its where the lock keeper was during the entire operation of the lock. As you must know about lock operations, you would know that the vessel needs to be secure in the lock before operations commence. Several factors rendered this ineffective - the chains you are supposed to wrap ropes round were not secure at the base so were next to useless; the ingress of water from the top lock meant without being secured we were constantly moving backwards; the failure of the lock keeper to inspect the state of the vessels in the lock and not be alongside to take our ropes so they could be wrapped around the bollards at the top of the lockside in order for us to be secure was a major failure.
Skipper is in charge of his vessel, the lock keeper (especially here) is responsible for the safety of those vessels in their care and operation.
Hope you have an enjoyable time when you come over 👍
@@MakingNewMemories Ohhhh , Yes with that said , the Lock Operator needs a swat on the lips. 100% they are to Confirm all vessels are in proper position and tied in the fashion the lock would require. In my experience when an operator is not in a tower or booth to visually confirm this , they usually have CCTV on both ends to confirm that way. Not a lot of wooden locks left over this way now , mostly steel doors and in the Welland Canal which I pass thru often , we usually have 25ft of open water between the doors and any vessels with these locks being 400+ ft long. Well I certainly do look forward to coming over and chartering a LongBoat for a couple weeks and enjoying the waterways and their history.
Cheers !! Take Care !
Glad to see the structure and steel are all still good. in my opinion,definitely incompetence (or just plain laziness) from the lock keeper to not visually check all boats were clear of the gates before closing them. Hope you have got it all sorted now
Hi Chris thanks for the comment.
We're all OK now and everything repaired and we're back cruising again!
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First off thank you for sharing, unlucky to have had the lock keeper not do there job properly but lucky you had Nationwide Boats not far away. I know the area very well and personally know the other marinas and boat yard in Thorne and it is no surprise that Pete and the team jumped into action to sort you out. As a bit of insider knowledge the Mrs might have not worried too much if she had know before the lift the Crane operator is actually a retired Helicopter pilot so I think the crane would be a walk in the park.
Pete was first class and his team very helpful. 👍
Thanks for telling us about the crane operator - excellent and skilful work 👍❤️
I'm sorry to hear this awful tail! As a VLK who works at a lock where a canal joins a river (best not say where!), this woman's attitude is TOTALLY UNACCEPTABLE!!!! From what has been said in previous comments I'm amazed that she's still in her job! Verbal warning, written warning, final warning, and OUT!
This should never have happened! There are procedures, PLUS, she must have known something was jammed in the gate.
I feel so sorry for the two of you, to have this happen to your home is terrible. I do hope you managed to get it all sorted by now, all the very best of luck.
Thank you so much Graham.
Grateful thanks to you and the rest of you volunteer lock keepers, you all do an amazing job. ❤️
I work around shipping and work around some large locks, the biggest being over 300m long and 45m plus wide.. this is a tricky one because you’ve told the Lockgates via VHF that you are in the locks. That’s probably been taken as you are all fast and clear and ready for the outer gates to be put on.
On the flip side, it’s down to the lockgateman or women to being watching what’s happening and as soon as that gate is struggling she should have stopped.. also, if she’s operating the gates on her own then I’m surprised there isn’t any CCTV on the locks.. in must be hard to get a miter on them looking out the tower especially on the inner gates unless they are self mitring!
Best thing is to keep the radio close or a handheld over your shoulder but I would suggest the blame lies with both parties but mainly with the lock operator..
I’m amazed a steel boat has been flexed like it has but Lockgates are powerful things.. hope you get it all sorted soon.
Id be interested to know from someone with your experience of large locks if the lock keeper and/or those responsible for its operation are in attendance before lock operations commence?
It certainly happens at the other tidal locks on the Trent.
It would have been interesting to know what would have happened had we, the only boat with VHF didn't have one...we virtually did all the work for her - spelling out the names of the three boats (which should already be in the book) and discovering that the chain at the stern was next to useless. As its classed as a heritage structure they aren't allowed to replace the chain with something more substantial as almost every other lock.
We understand that there is CCTV but it doesn't show the lock in its entirety, the blind spot being the starboard side of the lock meaning a proper visual inspection prior to operating the lock is vital. Would you, a professional lock keeper, accept the word of the skipper and take "we're in the lock" as being what it is rather than make assumptions? Would your practise and procedures and common sense not want you to be absolutley 100% clear in your own mind that everything was safe, knowing that people's lives and property could be at risk?
I'm happy to hold my hand up if I make a mistake (see several previous videos) but both of us and expert eye witnesses all point the failings of the professional lock keeper on this occasion.
@@MakingNewMemories normally you would have somebody on the wall and on the controls. It used to be a man to position the bow and a man to position the stern with what we would call “a man on the book” meaning somebody in the tower controlling the gates and paddles.
The 3rd man has been dropped for cost saving reason, so now you would have somebody on the stern to count the ship down into position which would involve talking to the pilot over the VHF or captain. Once the ships all fast and everyone’s happy the gates will be closed and the ship lifted up.
If it’s tight (a big 298m ship) then the gates won’t be closed until she’s settled down and the Lockgatman on wall has called the man in the tower that the gates can be closed.. if say a tug is unhappy then he will speak on the channel the ships working that he needs more room.
Making assumptions is normally when accidents happen, which is why I would put the blame more towards the lock controllers as they shouldn’t be closing the gates if it’s not clear! As for CCTV.. that only works if the person on the controls is actually looking at the screens!
I would think the canals are in the same boat as us (excuse the pun). Everyone is penny pinching whilst also banging on about health and safety! Paying for CCTV to be installed is cheaper than a man’s wages and covers the H&S problem. It doesn’t of course but it saves thousands a years which is far more important than employing people!!!
Not pointing blame but you could see you where not clear of the lock gate! then again it was too tight for three boats tricky situation!
Just out of interest, but would it not have been better lock management to put the longest boat in the middle thereby allowing plenty of room in the lock for three boats of varying sizes? How boats are placed in a lock is part of lock management as witnessed by the experienced lockies on the Thames. Perhaps there's a lesson to be learned there...?🤔
As for not being clear of the gate, there was no warning or announcement that the gate was about to close and no presence of a lock keeper to ensure we were safe as happens on all the other three tidal locks...
Correct it is the lock keeper to understand such! AGREE!@@MakingNewMemories
tell jan dont fall in love with a boat, they are never worth your tears
It's our home, our place of solitude, love and peacefulness. Why not love it.
Hi Ian and Tony, that was a nightmare for you, I hope you have now had all the repairs done and "Boat" is as you want it. Surely one of the jobs of the lockie would have been to actually get out of her ivory tower and check all was safe in the lock before shutting the gates and sorting the lock out. I didn't see any cameras around the lock, for her to do it from her tower.
I'm just thankful you or anyone else wasn't injuried
Thank you David.
Everything is now all sorted other than the claim our insurance company are making against the other party.
It is a fact, as you rightly point out, that it is the lock keepers responsibility to ensure all the vessels in the lock are safe before operations commence. A visual inspection on a lock of this magnitude is the very least you'd expect. 👍
How awful for you both, as you say it's your home after all. Fingers crossed for the future
Thank you. ❤️
Everything is now sorted and we're back cruising again 👍
It's 23rd October and I've just watched vlog, this now explains why I drove past you both in Barnby Dun a few months ago. Guess you'd been shopping to coop. Safe travels, hope you got sorted. 😉
We love Barnby Dun! Its a lovely place to moor up - shops, a chip shop (and other takeaways) and a farm shop. All sorted thank you for asking, might catch you at BD again in the future as we're still in the area....plans went to pot due to this 🙃
Sad there was damage to your boat but great video of a Bridge never heard of and must be the only one in the world like that and what a construction as the rail lines must not be out more than 1 CM less than half and inch.
Cheers Jonathan 👍
You sometimes have to sit back and admire the expertise and skills of our forefathers and marvel at how they achieved all of this without all the technology we have available today. 👍
Oh my goodness, you poor things....a frightening, worrying, stressful time for you then and one that should not have happened...cannot understand why did the lock keeper not inspect all boats before closing gates!! This surely should be a priority. Worrying to hear that this has happened before and an investigation is being undertaken re this lock keeper!! Why were they still working a shift ??! Xx
Hi Lynette.
Good points and your guess is as good as ours as to why incompetence and a disregard for safety would appear to be acceptable by the navigation authority.
If you've watched our vlogs you'll know we've been here before with another major tidal lock and a total lack of customer care. The outcome of that led to all staff being retrained. One hopes that the same happens here...🤔
so glad the boat was ok it must have been nerve racking
Certainly was Alan but a delayed reaction because it took us a day to realise what might have happened and then there was the determination to get the hull checked out.
Glad to see you are both okay physically but mentally you can see you was visually shocked are there ctv cameras in the control tower if there are she wasn't looking very hard I hope you get full compensation for all the damage and haul out I sincerely hope you eventually move forward from this glad to see you smiling good luck 😊😊😊😊
Cheers Kevin. It really messed us up at the time. It was the realisation that it could have been a lot worse. I think there is CCTV there but it doesn't show the lock in its entirety and there is a blind spot, ironically on the side we were.
The lock keepers job is to physically come and check that the vessels are secure before operating the lock. It was a major failure.
I did watch this two weeks ago, and I thought I commented, but I mustn't have hit send. Anyway glad you're both OK physically but it must have been a real shock. And the others involved. I'll not comment on the inaction.
Thanks Raymond 👍
The units need to come out and the damage to the internal wall to be re-addressed likewise access can also be obtained to repair the floor. The cabinets might be fine but would be better being replaced.
Hi. Yes, that's exactly what happened. Spot on!
at the end of the day you are the skipper and its your responsibility to ensure the safety of your vessel, that lock will take a 72 ft boat so you should have been clear of the gates, you've been out on the river so your front end should have been secured to maintain water tightness, yes the lockie should have checked but 90% of the blame lies with you!
There are professional lock keepers employed for a reason - *they* take responsibility for the safe operation of the lock, the skipper is told what to do. Responsibility is passed to the lock keeper because it is their lock.
Sadly this lockie thought it was OK to operate the lock without any safeguards or bothering to inspect the vessels under their control as is custom and practise at all the locks on the tidal Trent.
There are details that we have not mentioned for legal reasons, but let's just say that this is not the first time an incident has happened here.
We had expert witnesses to back up what happened through a lack of a duty of care.
Mostly correct, he is the skipper and responsible for his boat, however, when there is a lock keeper, on a sizeable lock such as that, they are responsible for all the boats within the lock. At the end of the day, the lock keeper should have checked before operating the locks. If they were at a normal lock and caused damage, then the skipper would be responsible.
I know nothing about this kind of stuff so i pray this all gets sorted for you guys
Doesn't " Lock Keeper " mean just that ? It's their responsibility once you have entered the lock for the safety of you and the operation of the lock itself !!! If I had the job I would get off my behind and come and check that all traffic is safe before commencing to operate the lock gates therefore ensuring the safe passage of boats whilst in " MY lock ! " , BY MY , I mean the lock which I took the job to operate in a safe manner ensuring the safety of both boats and MY lock gates !!!! I'm afraid incompetence , lack of skill and pure laziness by the Lock ' KEEPER ' ensured a perfect catastrophe . I'll suspect she got that job because it involved sitting down and pushing a couple of buttons ! Two for the gates and one for the radio !! All the rest were made from chocolate and were being pushed vigorously down....... her cake hole !!! Sorry for the stress and damage caused by - Pushing the wrong buttons down !!!❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤
Absolutely wrong. When you enter a lock, you are under the control of the lock authority. It is the lock authorities responsibility to assure the safe placement of the vessels prior to operating the lock. The reason the lock operator was rude is because she knows this.
These issues seem to be similar on The Thames with lock keepers on these large locks either attempting or allowing too many vessels to be crammed it at one time and then little space being left for margins of error.
Yes, we've been in locks like that with cruisers, narrowboats and canoes! At least the lockies on the Thames are actually there, in person, to ensure you're safe. You have to wonder why there are no controls by the side of the lock as there are at Thorne Lock so that the lockie operates it only when he knows you're safe...🤔
Thanks for this update on what looked like it would have been a beautiful cruise. Was the C&RT lock keeper single handed? I think that more care and detailed effort should have been used at this particularly big and complicated lock with a lift/road bridge, so there should have been at least two operatives involved. I'm not an expert in these particular things but in industry the HSE would and should have been brought to attention by the C&RT immediately. I hope that by now your lovely boat/home has been made back to ship shape. I hope that you are both doing really well and we'll see you soon. Take care and all the best. Stevie
Hi Stevie and thank you for your comments.
In answer to your question, yes there was only one lock keeper on duty. As far as we know they have a process and procedure they must follow. However, how rigorous this is enforced is a question for the navigation authority, but standard practice is for the lock keeper to make a visual inspection that both it and the vessels within are safe before proceeding.
The tower in which the lock keepers office, radio and controls is nearby but doesn't afford a clear visual line of site of the starboard side of the lock.
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What an awful thing to happen. If that woman did her job properly..silly %?#$. Duty of care just wasn't there. Hope you are both alright, and your home is sorted ❤
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Time is a great healer and we're both doing fine and back out doing what we love doing - cruising and filming!
Hi All
Keadby has very large & heavy gates, 2 river , 2 canal .
The amount of water coming over the upper canal gates is caused by the out flow of the canal just above CFS moorings being blocked by orders of the environment agency,
This flow of water into the lock does cause problems (11 mile pound) for boats using the lock & most boats going up & down hang near the lower gates to keep away from the flow.
The lock keeper on duty should have been more visually aware of where the boats were positioned & the fact that one was along side the gate.
It's unusual that a boater of many years experience would get caught out by being along side the gate at that point just before the gates are closed .
Safe passage to all
Thank you for the explanation Mick.
Of course the other issue is that the chain you're supposed to sling a rope around isn't attached at the bottom rendering it totally useless. Something you wouldn't know unless you'd been there before or the lockie told you, which they didn't. 👍
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