This sequel to the original was brilliant to me. I was pleasantly surprised. The story felt organic to the original in that Arthur is now on trial for his crimes but he befriends Harley Quinn and they fall in love. I was expecting both of them to ride off into the sunset but the outcome is very different. It’s utterly bleak, somber, dour and tragic but it works. The musical elements are fine because some are occurring in real time whilst others are purely imaginative. This works to maintain a fine balance between the romance and Arthur’s reputation as the joker. This take on the joker was always meant to be a deconstruction of the man behind the joker which is fleck. The performances are great. I really don’t get the hate. The negative criticism goes over my head. I was really expecting this to be over-indulgent and derivative of what came before but it wasn’t. A good sequel remixes traditional elements and troupes whilst adding a whole new layer of nuance demonstrated through tone, theme and narrative. The joker 2 did just that. Arguably it might be the best film I’ve seen this year.
@Santi Barrios Yeah I also think the movie failed because it was going to be a musical, now I’m not trying to be mean but sometimes movies don’t need musicals unless it makes sense and if the music itself is good and relevant, also I think other movies that didn’t need sequels are Kung Fu Panda 4 andToy Story 4. I also think the reason why sequels are bad is because they got different directors and writers and not get the same ones, for example Kung Fu Panda parts 2 and 3 were directed by Jennifer Yuh Nelson and she did a wonderful job at creating a story and continuing on with Po’s past and make us the audience shocked at finding out that his kind were still alive and left us wanting more but the 4th one was directed by Mike Mitchell who directed those crappy live action Alvin and the Chipmunk movies and he also directed the Lego Movie 2 instead of Phil Lord and Chris Miller directing it. I think if you’re going to make a sequel don’t derive from the first one and focus on what the first one’s message and story, and see if a sequel can work or not.
Some people shouldn't review movies! Bad review. Don't listen to this garbage! I just left the movie. What's wrong with you? This movie was perfect! I felt Arthur's pain through his songs and his desires through his imagination. BRILLIANTLY PUT TOGETHER! Don't you know a great movie when you've seen one? What movie did YOU see... this was wonderful !
I like to think this movie was made due to spite from the director to the higher ups for wanting a sequel
WB allowed Todd Phillips to do pretty much anything he wanted and supposedly avoided James Gunn once he became CEO.
This sequel to the original was brilliant to me. I was pleasantly surprised. The story felt organic to the original in that Arthur is now on trial for his crimes but he befriends Harley Quinn and they fall in love. I was expecting both of them to ride off into the sunset but the outcome is very different. It’s utterly bleak, somber, dour and tragic but it works. The musical elements are fine because some are occurring in real time whilst others are purely imaginative. This works to maintain a fine balance between the romance and Arthur’s reputation as the joker. This take on the joker was always meant to be a deconstruction of the man behind the joker which is fleck. The performances are great. I really don’t get the hate. The negative criticism goes over my head. I was really expecting this to be over-indulgent and derivative of what came before but it wasn’t. A good sequel remixes traditional elements and troupes whilst adding a whole new layer of nuance demonstrated through tone, theme and narrative. The joker 2 did just that. Arguably it might be the best film I’ve seen this year.
Neat review
I liked your thought about this sequel
(As for me, it was meh movie😐)
@Santi Barrios Yeah I also think the movie failed because it was going to be a musical, now I’m not trying to be mean but sometimes movies don’t need musicals unless it makes sense and if the music itself is good and relevant, also I think other movies that didn’t need sequels are Kung Fu Panda 4 andToy Story 4. I also think the reason why sequels are bad is because they got different directors and writers and not get the same ones, for example Kung Fu Panda parts 2 and 3 were directed by Jennifer Yuh Nelson and she did a wonderful job at creating a story and continuing on with Po’s past and make us the audience shocked at finding out that his kind were still alive and left us wanting more but the 4th one was directed by Mike Mitchell who directed those crappy live action Alvin and the Chipmunk movies and he also directed the Lego Movie 2 instead of Phil Lord and Chris Miller directing it. I think if you’re going to make a sequel don’t derive from the first one and focus on what the first one’s message and story, and see if a sequel can work or not.
Some people shouldn't review movies! Bad review. Don't listen to this garbage! I just left the movie. What's wrong with you? This movie was perfect! I felt Arthur's pain through his songs and his desires through his imagination. BRILLIANTLY PUT TOGETHER! Don't you know a great movie when you've seen one? What movie did YOU see... this was wonderful !