Bobby Marks' Detroit Piston Offseason Guide 📝 'A Season To Forget' | NBA on ESPN
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- Опубликовано: 30 июн 2024
- Bobby Marks details his offseason guide for the Detroit Pistons as the team that finished with the worst record in the NBA must decide where to spend $60M this offseason; the largest cap space in the NBA.
0:00 State of the Detroit Pistons
3:58 What direction do Pistons want to go?
5:03 Spend money in free agency market?
6:49 ...or pick up large contracts for picks?
9:16 Cap space argument: Where do you spend it?
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The thumbnail look like a Clique rebuild 💀
That's what I thought it was when I clicked, then I saw Bobby lmao
The f neji
Idk why anyone would, but if you watched DET you’d see that Cade is NOT the problem. He averaged 23 and 8 on a horrible team with no second option and the paint ALWAYS clogged. I say add a vet big who can play defense bc Duren cannot and Stew is a backup 5, not a 4. Also add 1 good shooter, and continue building through the draft. Minimal spending, and continue to rebuild through the draft. Possibly take on another bad contract for a first next year. Then, hope your other young players just improve. If they are going to get out of this, the young players that are there now have to develop and improve. But Cade deserves the fun max based on him not checking out and playing hard, good basketball himself, as well as the leadership qualities he’s shown thus far.
Gotta let Duren develop and they def need more than 1 shooter. Spend all the money on shooting to give those young guys space to operate. I'd rather big money on short years just in case what happened this year happens again (Bogie, Harris, Monte, Burks, Livers - all the shooters all flopped this year and are now gone) with injuries and vets underperforming.
@@detroitboy52289 that makes sense, I just think we need a defensive anchor in the short term while Duren develops. He has nobody to learn from, and I think he’s actually regressing on that end compared to the flashes we saw year one.
@danielbutler7202 injuries didn't help but I hear that too. I just disagree that we're as far as most think. The hardest part is finding a potential star, we have that guy already. Now we just need to surround him with shooting and defense, easier said than done but we literally saw Houston and Dallas do it this year. Get competent vets that can shoot and I think we at least double our wins.
@@detroitboy52289 yup agreed
@danielbutler7202 let me run this by you, it's probably a hot take but it's worth considering. Thompson does a lot of great things but his shooting is terrible! What about exploring options for him on the table to see what you can get while his stock is still really high? He won't ever be the primary guy because of Cade so he won't have the ball and that's when he's most affective. I'm not saying give him away but if we can get a guy like Lauri M or that caliber (would love Brooklyn Bridge) would you do that or bank on him becoming a decent spot up guy on offense?
I love these offseason segments for every team.
Feels like pistons offseason guide has been the same for past 5 years. Try draft good players and be smart with your cap. Theyve taken a while to finally get to step 2 of haaving a core to build from.
There is no such thing as a "Core". Nor should a supporter ever want one. A "Core" (a media creation/lie) is a SUBSET of the whole, and thereby DIVISIVE BY NATURE. Those focusing on a Core can't see the FIFTEEN PLAYER FORESTS for their FAVORITISM-BASED "Core" of TREES.
The Pistons will be just fine as long as they don't panic and think winning 35 to 40 games is the goal. Don't start trading good players for old men at the end of their careers. Keep building.
I guess it's a good thing they don't HAVE good players to trade?!?!?
(They're still as fucked as fucked can possibly be.)
@@scottwickett1273 I disagree. The Pistons have plenty of players other teams would want. But that's ok. We can continue to think we are the only team in NBA history that don't have players that other NBA teams would want.
That's cool.
@@phil1980boy This is a strawman, and you are the dumbest person alive.
@@scottwickett1273your ignorance is showing
As a lifelong Pistons fan, we need to stop with this Core4 talk like they are going to take over the league. They look good on paper but don’t fit on the court. You can’t have a front office that ignores putting talent around your franchise player. Also all this cap space can’t be used on a player that doesn’t take you to a minimum Play-In team. This rebuild has been a disaster. The talent level has to be upgraded
Yea it's still a core of one (1) player.
They don't fit because their coach is 💩 and wants everyone to stand in corner to shoots 3's while Cade dribbles the clock down, and passes if he can't get a shot off. They run no real offensive system, or have any offensive rhythm their whole offensive concept is just "spacing" and nothing else even the Center they demand to shoot 3's at a 35% clip. Since when has the Detroit Pistons philosophy on offense been so retarded? You see Luka is all world, and has a FBHOFer as a backcourt mate, and they barely made 5th seed playing that heliocentric style of offense. Cade would've had to he all world, and have the same to make the Playoffs and that's their only hope for their future lol.
🤡 They haven't even been able to play together in the season. They dominated people last summer. But Cades been hurt. Coach benched Ivey to start the year. New system.
But when we did have everyone we took the best teams in the league to OT close or won
The rebuild has not been a disaster. One disappointing year last year. We have superstar young guys, more cap space than anyone and another top five pick
@@bobbybagseed are you talking how some of our players looked in summer league runs, not the regular season🤔 So fans should be excited about moral victories, as you say we played top teams close or took them to overtime?
Thank you marks bc I’m a pistons fan that knows basketball and I’m clueless but I love this segment
I'm with letting these young guys grow together. Eventually they will learn how to win. Go out and get Draymond, Bridges or maybe even Booker. They will bring in a tough culture and improve this team. Don't spend that cash on someone who is only here for the money. Stick with the plan Pistons. This team will be good in 3-4years
They need to trade everyone besides Cade, Ausar, and Simone
I would also keep Stew, but otherwise I agree.
Jaden Ivey isn't a core piece. He's a trade piece.
I wonder what would be
the asking price for him
they would accept
My thoughts would be, you give Cade the rookie max or close to it, he's clearly shown he has the ability if you put guys around him. The bigger move is clearing house, you can't come into next season with Monty or Weaver imo. It's a lost season tbh, we gained no insight on the young guys because the roster construction was poor and the coaching wasn't utilizing the players to their strengths.
Hopefully you draft Risaccher, sign some depth shooters (specifically on the wing), and maybe trade some cap for a pick. I like the idea of bringing in Simmons for a Suns 1st.
He hasn't shown anything clearly lol , he's at best a #3 ball handler on a good team. Definitely not #1 point guard material. He's too slow to guard smaller guards and too weak to attack wings
@@brianbadonde9251 He will get the max just to secure him and keep him happy.
Personally wouldnt say he "deserves" it is a different matter but its the trend for these top players to secure the bag and ask out later.
@@brianbadonde9251 That's crazy, dude was playing next to Killian Hayes for half the season and put up very similar stats to Paolo. There is obvious room for improvement, but the average age of the starting lineup was 21 to start the year, younger than most NCAA teams this past year.
He started slow, but if you look from Dec 1 to the end of the season he averaged 23/5/8 on 47/36/86. What more do you want from him???
@@brianbadonde9251 You're wrong, he's awesome. Do you watch this team?
@@brianbadonde9251 he has...good thing these guys dont listen to people like you. You can tell u dont watch many games. How many you watch this season? 15?
Give Cade the max and start building around him, matter of fact Monty has to go also if you want Cade to shine
thats what deitiot been doing last 3yrs its time move him also
@@Rushhournythey haven’t built nothing around him besides rookies, cade had to come back from a season ending injury and was told to run the show with 2nd year players and a bench that Consists of former lottery pick busts, bagley, wiseman, knox and you call that help? Not to mention Monty williams being an absolute terrorist of a head coach.
A pg usually gets 3 years to show he can get a team into the playoffs, if they don't it's time to move on. It's time to move on. Cade needs to be strictly at the 2 and have his ballhandling responsibilities reduced to nearly nothing.
@@user-io4sr7vg1vCade played 11 games his second year. Definitely hasn’t been three years to see how he competes
As a Pistons fan it's been depressing for a decade plus. Can they move this team to Seattle or something? And we can get a new expansion down the line. This is bad, as long as Gores, Weaver and Tellem are at the helm.
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Hey Bobby! Can we get your thoughts on Toronto?
As a life long Pistons fan it's safe to say WE ARE CHEEKS! Owner is cheeks. Coach is cheeks. Shooting is cheeks.
The problem is Ownership keeps interfering with the Front Office.
I love Bobby😫🥵
The Bulls are maybe willing to give Zach Levine and Demar Derozan which is a soild vet that either could give about 20-25 a night and 4th Quarter score clutch affect
Haven't done a kings off-season guide yet
At this point you are committed to developing the young players. They will be fine but it doesn’t make sense to lose your nerve and bail now, after you just ate 2 horrible seasons. Sign a vet for the front court. Maybe its Harris if you can get him without paying an absurd amount. Maybe its just bench vets who no longer have it but still have a decent floor. Either way, you're still 2-3 seasons out from your most important players hitting their prime and with no heroes in the draft or available in free agency, you really only have one option.
Have to get Brandon Ingram this offseason
Detroit will likely get the first pick this year, one year too late. This may be the most stuck in the mud franchise in the NBA at this moment.
Think they should get Draymond find a vet wing maybe trade this years pick for a next year and get a Wing
I would go after Hartenstein and Monk. Bring Simone back. If you can give Stew away, do it, so more cap space is available.
Omg it's no hope 😂 I want to see just how bad we can be at this point
I don't understand why all the talking heads keep saying and projectibg the Pistons to have the 1st pick. We had the worst record, so statistically, the pick we have the best chance at is 5. We have a better percentage of picking 5 than 1, 2, 3, or 4.
Give Cade the max - resign Tec - Draft Sarr with 1st pick - Overpay Monk & Harris in FA - Trade Duren (Drummond 2.0) while his value is still high for veterans and draft capital.
I like all of these suggestions except Tobi; only three more weeks until the lottery!
@scottwickett1273 Yeah, I'm not too crazy about a potential overpay of a Harris FA pickup. I just think it's a necessary evil for the following reasons:
1. Injuries
2. Surround Cade with professionals
3. A team can never have a surplus of 6'9 guys that can dribble, pass, shoot, and play respectable defense
4. Seems like Harris would choose Detroit
@@samurai-od3ls Why would Harris choose the 14-68 shitshow disaster team with the stupidest GM in history?
if garland and lamelo deserved theirs then Cade definitely do
How in the world can you say that the Pistons are on the treadmill of mediocrity? They're nowhere near that good. They haven't won more than 23 games in a season in any of the last 5 years. I'd be stunned if the last 5 Pistons seasons aren't the worst consecutive 5 seasons in all NBA history. From their sleazy cokehead owner to the GM to the coach to the roster, they're just a joke organization. I feel bad for Cade since it's probably not realistic to turn down a max offer, so he's probably going to be stuck there a while longer but if he's ever going to carve out a respectable NBA career he's gotta get out of that hellhole Tom Gores has built.
The Pistons fanbase is dead at this point. We are so depressed with this franchise man smh.
If im Cade im asking for a trade & his first choice should be Brooklyn lol
Spurs, Mavs, Heat, Lakers....he's got options!
@@scottwickett1273 true it'll be interesting to see him paired with Wemby 🔥
@@givingyousportsfrommyview That would be AMAZING.
Cade for Mobley and a future first. Maybe Pistons can find a gem from the end of the Cavs bench as a throw in?
@@pheralanpathfinder4897 I'm not doing that unless Cade demands a trade, despite the fact that I LOVE Mobley.
(Sam Merrill is your guy off the Cavs bench.)
Fontechio and Simmons
Make all the right trade and get an expired contract back. Great young guys. Bad thing it young
Pistons should punt for Kevin porter jr.
Why don’t the nuggets have an off season guide?
how can you punt this yr.. if they give Cade the 40 mill this yr it effects cap next yr..so they must get FAs or trade core for higher salary players....because you may lose cade if you sleep on him
I can’t believe the Pistons got pick 5 again lol
Huh... the OFF SEASON is a SEASON to forget... .... 😶
We don’t have a 14 win team on paper, we have a brainless coach & a GM who is better off being a scout rather than constructing a roster.
This team should’ve at least been capable of winning 28-30 games on paper, but if you have a coach who loves to start Killian Hayes over Jaden Ivey or let Isaiah Livers play any meaningful minutes in a NBA game, then it’s gonna be a recipe for disaster.
The fact this team is constantly plagued with injuries leads me to believe that our medical staff & conditioning teams need to be completely overhauled.
They need a new head coach
If Tobias Harris gets more money than Malik monk the league actually needs to be looked at lmao 😂
I finish the video and its just depressing for Detroit they almost have no way out
EVERYBODY IS ON THE TRADING BLOCK!! FOR THE RIGHT PRICE... STOP PLAYING WITH ME!!
As a Pistons fan, we have no more of these seasons left in us. We’ve have suffered
I will say, this team is a lot better than 14 wins. We do not have leadership that put this team in a position to win. Our last starting lineup is actually pretty good but we didn’t play them the last few weeks of the season 😂
If this team was a lot better than 14 wins, they would have won a lot more than 14 games.
People don’t understand how bad this draft is
Yeah how about stop rigging the lottery, clearly there is a vendetta against the Pistons!
D Day
Trade with Atlanta. Get Hunter and Capella for Wiseman and a future 1st protection
Wiseman is a China-bound free agent, but I would in fact like to see our Pistons get Capela!
I’m about to throw 🤮. I can’t take another rebuild, the lottery is some BS. It doesn’t help team who are truly struggling
If DET was smart and to this point they haven’t been I like the idea of punting on there cap space keeping it in reserve Pick Evan’s money take on Ben Simmons money for additional draft compensation and see what Cade gives you so you either trade him if you don’t think he is progressing enough or if he has improved his game you offer him the funny max and if he doesn’t take it then you revisit the trade discussion once again
This draft is horrible!!! Feel bad for the Pistons. Ricchashie or Buzelis would fit best. They can’t draft Sarr. They tried big men already.
If they win the lottery, they should pick Sarr and trade Duren.
Do you, um, watch this team?
Sarr is wemby light ( I actually think he’s closer to Chet) Duren would of been amazing like twenty years ago lol
@@nathanzonno9030 That's wayyyyyyyy too optimistic; think Claxton instead.
@@scottwickett1273 naw lol I’ll think Chet because they are the basically the same height and weight.. Sarr actually moves better than Chet go watch his highlights… Clayton not even seven foot
@@nathanzonno9030 To me Chet was a better defensive prospect and a dramatically better offensive player.
If I loved Sarr that much, I would be a lot more excited about this lottery!
My personal opinion is that collegiate players must play 4 years prior to draft. Drafting early has ruined NBA
My personal opinion is that you just typed the dumbest thing anyone has ever typed in human history.
I would trade Cade for a first in 2025. That draft is stacked!! Pistons should build around the draft, Ausar, Jalen and Ivey
not sure about trading CADE, but i do feel we need to build team around IVEY. Why because the other core guys are always injured.
You're an idiot, Cade is the only one who is any good (I would keep Ausar too).
Mewo
I have a plan for the Pistons. Ivey and Ausar and possibly beef stew to Brooklyn for Mikal Birdges, Duren and our pick for Sengun and maybe Houston’s pick depending on if we have #1 or we get screwed again with #5, then we sign Malik Monk and Pascal Siakam cause we have the money to do so, then we need a backup 4 and 5, get Drummond cause he gets boards and that what this team would struggle with, and then get Dario Saric cause he is cheap and played for Monty before (I have no real preference about backup 4 Saric is just one that makes sense to me) Cade, Monk, Bridges, Siakam, and Sengun is a lineup with multiple 3-level scorers who all score in different ways in Cade, Monk, and Bridges, and Siakam and Sengun are both great mid rang/low post scorers one because of strength and the other from his great post moves and skill, and on defense this team is solid too with Bridges and Siakam being elite defenders, Cade above average, and Monk and Sengun are both alright, and off the bench we have Sasser, Grimes, Fontechio, Saric, and Drummond. Add like John Wall or someone on a veteran minimum to get 0 minutes but still be a great veteran locker room guy as well, this team can genuinely make a push for the playoffs
Definitely too good to be true haha but I really like the sengun idea cuz Houston played so well without him maybe they just go a different direction who knows!
this is not 2K
You can't achieve ANY of those moves.
@@pheloniusmunklol in you’re Desmond Johnson voice…rdc
Duren and a pick for Sengun and a pick? Why would Houston do that? Just because of a winning streak without Sengun on an easy schedule?
Trade everyone!!!
Most likely, we aren't winning next year, too. Stick to what we have. Don't overpay in free agent. Pay Cade. Keep Fontecchio. Want to see a full season with Cade, Ivey, Fontecchio, Asuar, and Duren. Stewart. Yes, I believe we can get to 30 win and win a championship with this team in time. Show improvement and fan will follow.
Yikes, you are incredibly optimistic about this mess.
Max out cade
You sign Bridges, draft Sarr. Trade Ivey/Duren for Murray.
Cade/Murray/Tek/Bridges/Sarr
Sasser/Grimes/Ausar/Stewart/Wiseman
Not bad
The problem with the Pistons and I’m a Detroit resident so I have the right and insight on a team I’ve been watching for over 40 years! The problem is Troy thinks a team of 23 and under with no veteran leadership can figure out how to win without vets on the team! To be honest that’s the whole association’s problem with a lot of young teams! I wish Troy would get rid of the likes Stewart he’s not a basketball player! He’s built for wrestling, football, mma, any combat sport! But no basketball, he has no vertical, can’t protect the paint! Hands to small can’t rebound! Players like this is on the roster and that’s why we can’t win! I never seen the comparison between him and Big Ben!
Stew is the second-best player on the team.
First ☝🏽
Detroit should literally restart a tank. Keep the young guys, get picks, stop pretending you have a top 10 player and go get one in the draft
That's not how any of this works.
@@scottwickett1273 Its exactly how it works. If you tanked and you get out of your tank without a top 10 player. You will get back to tanking within 2-3 years. Look at the Bulls/Nets/Raptors. Teams that don't have that guy have to tank. They can deny it, but you gotta be realistic about who wins titles in the NBA and it aint going to be this Pistons team with this roster even if they can improve a bit
@@blablablaa14 There is no guarantee you get a "top 10 player" no matter how long you tank. You are confused.
Sign Dwight Howard for 2 years
Jalen Duren, sorry big fella, you looking like Orlando Woodridge. Everybody can get it. I don't want to hear about a young core. That young core shows us no heart
Just Draft Bronny and hope LeBron wants to play with him 😅
No offense to Cade but him getting 5 years 225m when Tatum is gonna get a super max of 5 years 320 million is so weird. Like Cade has proved nothing yet and already getting 200+ million deal
Hes in the worst team in nba and still dropping 40 plus, hes an elite player, just sometimes you’re on a team worse than college basketball 😂
So what you gonna do? Let him walk? Lol.
@@revmichael4 No you can trade him for a bunch right now and keep the tank going until you get a real guy. Paying the players that are never going to get you past mediocrity isn't a real solution either. Look at the Bulls. They do that every single summer
@@Angel4298G I mean he might be good, but we wont know until he plays for a good team
@@blablablaa14 That's completely false, we already know.
If I’m the Pistons HoBO (Head of Basketball Operations) I’m trading Cade to the highest bidder, no way I’m paying him a Max contract
I’d take a few young guys that another team is wasting and see what I can do in the next few draft classes (This one is terrible)
Let’s say, the Hawks wanted to part with Murray for Cade? I’d take that offer if they added a 1st round pick
Detroit wins 4 games without Cade
Cade to San Antonio would be interesting
You are a moron. He is the only the only one who is any good, if they traded him they would have nothing to build around at all.
@@versus94100 It would be spectacular. And if he demands a trade I wouldn't blame him one bit. His team is morons, the worst front office we have ever seen.
@@scottwickett1273 He can't demand a trade now cause he needs his deal first. Also even if he demands it, he aint exactly in a position to force anything. Especially after he signs for a max deal
relegate them to G league
Trash team, no one should get a max deal when ur team is this trash. I’m sorry Cade u don’t deserve a max deal
Cade definitely deserves a max extension, and when he demands a trade the next day I won't blame him at all.
The NBA has become unwatchable.
Nah, only the Pistons. The league overall has never been better.
Nah only the Pistons, Wizards and Blazers are unwatchable all the other teams are good or at least exciting
Our franchise is doomed until Tom Gores sells it. That pos has become rich off of prisoners’ families, and giving Monty Williams that contract when you were bidding against literally nobody else was just the tip of the iceberg of how incredibly poor the team is ran.
When the NBA intervened to make sure San Antonio got Wemby, the writing was on the wall
"Intervened"? That tinfoil hat looks good on you!
Please leave your conspiracy theories on your whiteboard.