WOW!! At 30:40 mention is made of an absolutely stunning automobile,, the 1953 Dodge Storm V250. What an amazing car! We see so many later model cars from many, many other auto manufacturers in the way ahead of it's time Fred Zeder Jr. styling in that car. The very distinctive open, flared wheelwells, the raked headlights ( recognize the 1965/66 GTO anybody?),, the split front bumper ( 1971 Camaro??), the low slung hood scoop, the push button door release (no door handles), and we're sure there were many, many other awesome features you did not have time to share I really want to learn more about that beautiful car that Chrysler tossed in the ideas can. They really blew it didn't they. Didn't matter the cost as I would bet many would have been built. Ohh well.
I noticed the Lander / Coronet hood and yes the gto style front. It definitely has the Italian coachbuilt feel. It was one of my highlights in this video.
Had never heard of or seen that car prior to seeing this vid. Thanks for pointing it out, I zoomed right to it, goggled a bit, then backed up and watched the rest of the vid. Amazing car. But although the body was nice, I don't see why it HAD to be built in Italy, it didnt look beyond the capabililty of American factories, and that kind of cost excess no doubt helped kill the concept. Shame!
@@johnshelton1141 I KNOW!!!!!!----THEY WOULD HAVE SOON SPLIT-UP!!!!!!!!!!! BECAUSE KAISER HAD AN EXPERIENCED CAR EXECUTIVE IN JOE FRAZER; --THE KAISER-FRAZER was named after him-& their MOST expensive product!!! JOE was INTERVIEWED BY THE MAGAZINE "COLECTABLE AUTOMOBILE in the 1980's, I OWN A COPY;---- MR. FRAZER basically said that HENRY J. KAISER would NOT TAKE HIS ADVICE!!!!!!!!! The most IMPORTANT advice was for KAISER to DEVELOP their OWN OHV -V-8; LIKE CADILLAC, OLDS, LINCOLN, & CHRYSLER , ALREADY HAD!!!!!!!!! KAISER was BUYING a 6 CYLINDER 110 Hp. GENERATOR engine-for a car in THE OLDS, & CHRYSLER price range; THOSE haveing 150 to 175 Hp., & increasing YEARLY!!!!!!!!! INSTEAD HENRY INSISTED upon modern styling & a compact car; --FRAZER QUIT HIM, BEFORE KAISER's MISTAKES caused the unavoidable sales COLLAPSE!!!!!!!!! TUCKER would have LEFT KAISER EARLIER!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Hardly, I know the story about Tucker, and this guy is not only ignorant, he is incredibly stupid. Being indicted for something doesn't mean you are guilty of anything as we see in the case of Tucker, the government was unable to prove a single thing against him, and not only that, the government shut his company down and ruined the man, for nothing. And since apparently a lot of people are ignorant and stupid they all did not understand how it happened or how the justice system works and so most people thought he was guilty of something.
It opens up an interesting conversation doesn't it? How about the Trabant? Truly one of the world's technically worst cars yet it gave transportation to millions.
The Corvair was one of the primary targetsipf Ralph Nader's "Unsafe At Any Speed" book which torpedoed several "targets" in the American auto industry.
Daniel Burgess thanks, good thought:::: I am from WARSAW INDIANA, KIND Of a STUDEBAKER FAN( Nice Museum in S BEND In)......sneaking of business failures, etc.
Agreed, a few isolated examples of engineering (or more often, "not actually doing the engineering") failures, primarily business failures or outright fraud. Still loved the tour!
It's all the same thing. The lesson to be learned here is, to be a success in the car business takes a whole lot of different elements to come together: engineering, art, sentiments of the buyers, changing times, investment money, legal issues, competition, and even someone like Ralph Nader can destroy a car that otherwise is a success by convincing most people of something that isn't true. Countless things can lead to failure. Failure is indeed defined by whether profits exceed expenses. Without that, the project dies. Fails.
was this all done as one take? im impressed that you don’t seem to be using notes. i like the informal style. a lot of people would have ruined this with music and unnecessary editing. p.s. ok, now ive seen a cut. but i still get the feeling that it was just some walking footage that got cut.
@@janknuckey Hey, now! Don't mess with the mighty Pacer. Best of all was going to the local hang out in the Levi's edition especially when a cute pair of skin tight blue jeans was sitting on the hood. ;-) Better still was slipping away to some quiet and dark spot to watch "the falling stars" through that ginormous rear window. Stars, a few beers you stole from dad while listening to Venus and Aquarius on Rockin' AM and you were assured of at least second base! God, I miss bench seats and station wagons.
Re: the Edsel. A friend of mine said his father won an Edsel by selecting the 7 LAST PLACE Horses at a Southern California horse racing track! Probably a joke by the race track promoters. I know my friend was driving his father's Edsel up until at least the 1970"s.
Information is great. I love the info. The camera person needs to stop moving around so damn much. Its making me sea sick. Your shooting a documentary not a award winning movie. Stop with all the moving around zooming on and out. I don't need to see the ceiling or the floor just stand still or show the vehicle. Damn.
I had a Corvair in the 1960s. It was one of the best cars I ever had of that era. The only other car that edged it out was the Volkswagen. The Corvair had a much better road feel than anything from Ford.
I had a couple corvairs (60 and 66) and a 62 Nova. In total the 62 Nova was much better than the 60 corvair. For handling/performance the 66 Corvair was best. If I put myself in the position of what most informed car buyers of the time who only have one car would want overall it would be the Nova because it did everything well. Our family also had a 64 Chevelle (283HO) which I would rank as one of best most balanced car designs of the era.
In the early sixties you could get a Corvair with a 150 horsepower turbo charged Flat 6 air-cooled motor what did Porsche have? An anemic four banger with 60 horsepower. Second generation Corsa came with either four carburetors or 180 horsepower turbo. A very Advanced car like nothing else in the United states.
Well done. A few were new to me. All had fascinating stories. Bravo! Most sound like they were created by Homer Simpson. "All my life, I have searched for a car that feels a certain way. Powerful like a gorilla, yet soft and yielding like a Nerf ball. Now, at last, I have found it. Homer, The Car Built for Homer."
Nah. A drunk dude would have banged into vehicles and then the sound of "SCReeech" as he scratches the hell out of a vehicle, followed by a beer belch to check out the audio echo.
Fantastic tour! I had the good fortune to visit the museum in 2007..to my surprise, many of the cars on display then - are in the vault now! Elvis's Pantera, Elton's Delehaye, the black Ferrari gifted to Henry Ford...great memories re-kindled. Thank you!
That last crazy story of the Dale/Revette sounds like it needs to be a Hollywood movie! Trying to push some lesser car, has it featured on the Price is Right, murder, flees to Texas, pushes it again, cease and desist, disappears, used to be a man, what? WHAT?!
Thanks Jason and everyone at the Petersen! So interesting! I'm Learning so much from your tours and videos! And what an amazingly rich and varied collection of cars you have! ❤️ the Zeder .. so beautiful .. kind of logical that the firm behind such sublime styling, Bertone, would go on to be responsible for the Miura and the Countach .. but so sad that it exists now really in name only, not designing cars any more the way they used to .. so in another sense keeping with the today's theme. Isn't the world a richer place for all the adventurous souls following their dreams and making these cars real! 'til next time, take care everybody ... 😀 .. 🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻 ... P.S. So looking forward to the Cars & Coffee next weekend !!!
But that didn't stop England's Reliant car company from making it's 3 wheel Robin! Mostly as a 3 wheel car fell into a far cheaper vehicle tax level, so they were popular, and also known for rolling over.
@@Oldbmwr100rs in post-war England three-wheel cars were considered motorcycles so therefore you didn't have to have a license for them. I don't know how long that lasted
I'm seeing a lot of cars that failed for business reasons, not mechanical flaws and poor designs. In that sense, the cars didn't fail but rather the car companies. The video title is a little misleading.
To start, great cars, speaker is well educated in his topic. Now on to the rest... You need to re shoot the whole thing with a real camera operator. Either the gimbal is completely screwed up, or your camera operator can't keep the camera straight, also we want to see the CARS, not so much the presenter. (a cheap small light might have helped) Finally, a great drinking game could be played, when the presenter says"mmmkay" you drink.
Thank you for posting this video. This guy is great! Jason is a wealth of information. I am so glad I watched this video. Please post more videos about the cars in your museum.
Only real failure in this video is the craptastic camera work... Why am I looking at the floor or ceiling EVER when I'm trying to look at the cars... and so many more complaints about it
uni blab I assume from your lack of response that you have no rational reason not to make fun of gay people. Therefore I shall continue to make fun of everyone. Gay people included.
I didn't catch it, but was working for the "exclusive" san francisco dealership that was owned by one of his big investors. After checking it out and talking to Mike Corbin, I started asking a lot of questions on how it was going to be under $13K if each car had nearly $30K in it, he gave a speil about how many he's be building within a year and a bunch of other crap. Our demo car rolled over while the shop owner was driving, and the car was badly damaged. I knew the entire corbin motors was just a scam when he was showing a mockup of an engine being developed, one from the same company another scammer back in the early 90's was trying to sell off as the new Indian motorcycle company. That bastard Mike Corbin was lucky to keep his motorcycle accessory company after all that.
The Dodge Zeder reminds me of the French Facel Vega and that car has a Chrysler V8 engine. Beautiful body work on the Zeda and the Chrysler gas turbine cars driven by the public also had their bodies made in Italy.
Great presenter and educational. Didn’t know 3/4 of these and I thought “I knew” cars. Nope, just scratched the surface. And for Jason to talk without skippin’ a beat was awesome! Cheers from Maine 🍻
I drove 1200 miles to go to this museum a few years ago! Went by myself and looked at every single car and read every placard.. I took hundreds of pictures!! Maybe the best place I've ever been to!! I did not go into the vault as it wasn't open, so these vids the last few days are awesome!! If you haven't been to the Peterson museum and you like cars, you need to go here at some point in your life.
I noticed all of your cars either have the convertible roof off or the windows down. Do you always leave them this way? How do you keep them from getting coated with a layer of dust? The inside and outsides all look very clean.
Edsel was, really, not a bad car. My home town in Michigan used a '58 Edsel Villager station wagon as an ambulance until about '67. A family friend put over 100,000 miles on a '59 Edsel station wagon. The Edsel was often called "Mercury sucking a lemon" because of the horse collar grill. I also drove a second generation Corvair that belonged to a friend. I would never have bought one just because of how light on the front end it felt at only 65 MPH. Down right scary.
Edsel is just a rebodied Fairlane and those are completely reliable. I drive a 57 with 292 and adapted 5 speed. There's a Corvair resto shop near me. The owner has told me most people weren't aware they're supposed to run low (10psi?) In the front apparently 🤷♂️
The first-generation Corvair looks amazingly like an NSU Prinz. The second generation was a handsome and pleasant machine, especially when the engineers defeated the bean-counters and installed a double-jointed axle, rather than the crude but cheaper single joint.
I had a '66 Corvair Corsa with the turbocharged engine. Handled like a dream with some added weight in the trunk. The real drawback of the 'vairs was that they all leaked oil like a sieve.
I look forward to all your videos. Those of us who love classic cars, design, and history are really enjoying your tours during this time. Just fantastic. Thank you!
40:00 From everything I've read, the original Corvair's handling could be considered tolerable for drivers who were skilled enough to know what not to try. But to put that car in the hands of American drivers who were used to being able to sling around a muscle car in and out of a 4 wheel drift with ease was, in fact, irresponsible. Some of the car's bitterest opponents inside GM were executives whose sons had been killed, injured or scared out of their wits by their experiences with the cars. Of course, even with the swing axles, the car could have been a lot better and the safety of the '64 Corvair (the last year before the fully-independent suspension was added), with an anti-sway-bar in front and sort of a see-saw bar in the rear, could have been added to the '60 for a trivial increase in cost, which was vetoed by marketing, because they were determined to make this an economy car. And there's the rub: Ed Cole wanted the Corvair to be the modern day model T, a well-rounded car for everybody that could do the job efficiently and cheaply, but without a much higher production volume , it was never going to be competitive with its more boring rivals. And, it couldn't do everything for everyone anyway; if you wanted a turbocharger, or if you needed a station wagon, you had to give up air conditioning; if you wanted to be comfortable in cold climates, you needed a fuel-guzzling gasoline heater. The Corvair ended up being a specialty car, which was all it could ever have been. I wonder if it could have carved out a more secure niche if GM had planned it as a world-car, built and shipped all over the world in collaboration with overseas partners; that might have put a dent in the cost premium GM was paying for a platform that shared almost nothing with its GM stablemates.
Thought you would have mentioned the Stanley Steamer. They refused to adapt to the demands for internal combustion engines by continuing to produce external combustion engines (steam), and fought back against other companies by putting out ads calling then "internal explosion engines".
Be still my heart... That might be my old Corvair! Right color, right year... Ralph Nader was media seeking. GM fixed most, if not all of the identified issues. The 67 Corsia was awesome.
34:00 Ford positioned the entry-level Edsel Ranger squarely between the most basic Ford and the step-up Fairlane, and the top-line Edsel Citation was priced between the highest-price Mercury model and the lowest-price models from Lincoln. The first-year Edsel basically competed with all of Ford's popular-price models from those competing with mid-line Plymouths to those competing with the Buick Roadmaster 75. Add Edsel's hideous styling and trouble-prone gadgets, and you have a recipe for failure.
Selden's 1877 patent is front wheel drive. So I think that qualifies as the first American front wheel drive car. Of course he didn't actually build a working one until he got into a patent dispute with Henry Ford.
The Edsel was a committe design. I believe they were an OK car. But from a market viewpoint a bit like the "Srewdriver - hammer- compass- flashlight tool". Love the Dodge Zeder. (UK)
No, they weren't oK. My dad inherited a new Edsel when his father suddenly died in 1958. The AC went out the first month and the car would flood and stall more often than start cleanly. It got horrible gas mileage and was very much in the vein of the "American Barge" auto design. All around, a real turkey.
Edsel was the Pontiac Aztek of its time--butt ugly beyond belief. The grill drew especial critical fire as "a horse collar", "a toilet seat", and worse.
Fascinating. I agree that the Zeder is exceptional, obviously influenced by the likes of Ghia, Pininfarina and Zagato, and unfortunately proof that the US car-buying public was too susceptible to the marketing whims of the majors and their excesses of flashy chrome, absurd body designs and multicolored paint jobs. I would love to see this car in action. Thanks for the tour.
Great video ! Thank you ! Excellent camera work! the camera guy pans to other cars that are fascinating even though their not part of this presentation. GM corrected the swing axle by making it double jointed, but after Unsafe At Any Speed was published, the damage was done. Any car can roll over; a double jointed axle Corvair can certainly out handle a lifted Jeep! and people still drive those....
This presenter is the best of all of them. He really knows his stuff and shares a lot of very interesting facts about the cars and the companies. I hope he does more of these. Great show!!
Zeder! Up the street from where I grew up a family had 2 Edsel's! Both white and turquoise, one sedan and one wagon. I never saw them move, parked in an open front car port and one day they where gone...
"Zeder" should be authentically pronounced "Zeeder". There are many contemporary films about Chrysler Engineering with this correct pronunciation, "Zeeder".
The Tucker appears to have been a car/design which if given adequate time/Capital, would have succeeded. However, the presenter hinted that there was a conspiracy of sabotage from other "Envious" Car Manufactures, who methodically deny it's "Supply Chain" of parts/resources to properly roll out the models w/proper quality control. It was a complex car by the standards of 1948!
The Porsche Typ 360 was a fully functioning Grand Prix car, not just an engine. It was based on ideas Porsche had for for Auto Union's 1940 season, which never happened of course. The car featured a mid-mounted 1.5L supercharged flat-12, a motorcycle-style sequential manual transmission and selectable all wheel drive. Porsche later rescued it from Argentina and is now restoring it and an unfinished second chassis.
In 1980, I was fortunate to visit the Harrah's Auto collection in Reno, Nevada. Great collection that , unfortunately was scattered after Bill Harrah passed away.
I could get lost in this place ... and not mind a bit .... Preston Tucker was shafted, quite deliberately, by the big guys who then stole his ideas, over time. See the great movie, "Tucker: The Man And His Dream." ... Hey, Edsels and Corvairs were cool. I was a kid, but I was around to see 'em. ... Ralph Nader was an arsehole then, and he's an arsehole now ... Considering the syle-less rolling computers that are out there now, I don't want "the car of the future;" I want the "car of the past." About 1968 would be about right.
Very good and enjoyable presentation. Wouldn't have known all these stories,!! amazing and quite informative and all in one place. Brilliant.. Also, if I just couldn't see the video, only hearing the audio , I would have thought it is Tom Hanks (him of 'Angels & Demons' fame) speaking!!🤗
Most interesting how automobile is culturally defined and so is failure. Both are seen thru the lens of the moment. Funny how there doesn't seem to be a bad car in the entire collection (Except the Dale). Ironic.
WOW!! At 30:40 mention is made of an absolutely stunning automobile,, the 1953 Dodge Storm V250. What an amazing car! We see so many later model cars from many, many other auto manufacturers in the way ahead of it's time Fred Zeder Jr. styling in that car. The very distinctive open, flared wheelwells, the raked headlights ( recognize the 1965/66 GTO anybody?),, the split front bumper ( 1971 Camaro??), the low slung hood scoop, the push button door release (no door handles), and we're sure there were many, many other awesome features you did not have time to share I really want to learn more about that beautiful car that Chrysler tossed in the ideas can. They really blew it didn't they. Didn't matter the cost as I would bet many would have been built. Ohh well.
I just got an Austin Martin DB feel from it... the only difference being, the DB has a more understated front...
I noticed the Lander / Coronet hood and yes the gto style front. It definitely has the Italian coachbuilt feel. It was one of my highlights in this video.
Had never heard of or seen that car prior to seeing this vid. Thanks for pointing it out, I zoomed right to it, goggled a bit, then backed up and watched the rest of the vid. Amazing car. But although the body was nice, I don't see why it HAD to be built in Italy, it didnt look beyond the capabililty of American factories, and that kind of cost excess no doubt helped kill the concept. Shame!
@@davidschmidt6013
Designed in Italy. We, the USA, can build it. But, the Italian coachbuilders were on another level.
Designed by Bertone
The level of detail from the presenter - without cue cards or crib notes - was VERY impressive!
What if Henry Kaiser had meant Preston Tucker?
@@johnshelton1141 There would be a Kaisier Tuckerente....instead we have Kaiser Permanente.
@@johnshelton1141 I KNOW!!!!!!----THEY WOULD HAVE SOON SPLIT-UP!!!!!!!!!!!
BECAUSE KAISER HAD AN EXPERIENCED CAR EXECUTIVE IN JOE FRAZER;
--THE KAISER-FRAZER was named after him-& their MOST expensive product!!! JOE was INTERVIEWED BY THE MAGAZINE "COLECTABLE AUTOMOBILE in the 1980's, I OWN A COPY;---- MR. FRAZER basically
said that HENRY J. KAISER would NOT TAKE HIS ADVICE!!!!!!!!!
The most IMPORTANT advice was for KAISER to DEVELOP their OWN
OHV -V-8; LIKE CADILLAC, OLDS, LINCOLN, & CHRYSLER , ALREADY HAD!!!!!!!!! KAISER was BUYING a 6 CYLINDER 110 Hp. GENERATOR
engine-for a car in THE OLDS, & CHRYSLER price range; THOSE haveing
150 to 175 Hp., & increasing YEARLY!!!!!!!!!
INSTEAD HENRY INSISTED upon modern styling & a compact car;
--FRAZER QUIT HIM, BEFORE KAISER's MISTAKES caused the unavoidable
sales COLLAPSE!!!!!!!!!
TUCKER would have LEFT KAISER EARLIER!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Agreed! This gentleman is VERY knowledgeable about so many of the cars. Most impressive. I can barely keep track of my minuscule collection.
Hardly, I know the story about Tucker, and this guy is not only ignorant, he is incredibly stupid. Being indicted for something doesn't mean you are guilty of anything as we see in the case of Tucker, the government was unable to prove a single thing against him, and not only that, the government shut his company down and ruined the man, for nothing. And since apparently a lot of people are ignorant and stupid they all did not understand how it happened or how the justice system works and so most people thought he was guilty of something.
This guy knows his stuff, impressive! I subbed. He's done his homework!
Thank you for your support! Glad you enjoyed it!
Seems a bit tough to call the Corvair a failure when they built 1.8 million of them.
It opens up an interesting conversation doesn't it? How about the Trabant? Truly one of the world's technically worst cars yet it gave transportation to millions.
I agree.
The Corvair was one of the primary targetsipf Ralph Nader's "Unsafe At Any Speed" book which torpedoed several "targets" in the American auto industry.
I thought the Corvair was a great car.
Many older Porches are tricky at speed, but belong in a niche market. I believe R.N. probably was right with regard to a mass market product.
Should be titled "WORST CAR BUSINESS FAILURES." Most of those cars were good to very good.
Daniel Burgess thanks, good thought:::: I am from WARSAW INDIANA, KIND Of a STUDEBAKER FAN( Nice Museum in S BEND In)......sneaking of business failures, etc.
Agreed, a few isolated examples of engineering (or more often, "not actually doing the engineering") failures, primarily business failures or outright fraud. Still loved the tour!
It's all the same thing. The lesson to be learned here is, to be a success in the car business takes a whole lot of different elements to come together: engineering, art, sentiments of the buyers, changing times, investment money, legal issues, competition, and even someone like Ralph Nader can destroy a car that otherwise is a success by convincing most people of something that isn't true. Countless things can lead to failure. Failure is indeed defined by whether profits exceed expenses. Without that, the project dies. Fails.
@@DonTruman If a project is successful UNTIL it dies, is it really still a failure?
That Tucker is a beautiful looking thing , m’kay? The Dodge Storm is just fantastic!
was this all done as one take? im impressed that you don’t seem to be using notes. i like the informal style. a lot of people would have ruined this with music and unnecessary editing.
p.s. ok, now ive seen a cut. but i still get the feeling that it was just some walking footage that got cut.
Who wouldn't like to spend an entire day walking around there.
More incredible than the cars them selves is our wonderful guides knowledge of said cars. Brilliant! Zip~
Corvair was a sales success..more than 1,000,000 copies made...Nader did not kill the Corvair..It was Mustang with a hot V-8 for less money..
Maybe should have included the Delorean.
The Petersen hot rod museum has one there. It's on display 2nd floor above.
Or the Bricklin SV-1
I was waiting for a Pacer to be in there!
@@janknuckey Hey, now! Don't mess with the mighty Pacer. Best of all was going to the local hang out in the Levi's edition especially when a cute pair of skin tight blue jeans was sitting on the hood. ;-) Better still was slipping away to some quiet and dark spot to watch "the falling stars" through that ginormous rear window. Stars, a few beers you stole from dad while listening to Venus and Aquarius on Rockin' AM and you were assured of at least second base!
God, I miss bench seats and station wagons.
The Toronado . I was expecting it 100%.
Re: the Edsel. A friend of mine said his father won an Edsel by selecting the 7 LAST PLACE Horses at a Southern California horse racing track! Probably a joke by the race track promoters. I know my friend was driving his father's Edsel up until at least the 1970"s.
"You can have any color you want . Just as long as it's BLACK" 😂
Information is great. I love the info. The camera person needs to stop moving around so damn much. Its making me sea sick. Your shooting a documentary not a award winning movie. Stop with all the moving around zooming on and out. I don't need to see the ceiling or the floor just stand still or show the vehicle. Damn.
I had a Corvair in the 1960s. It was one of the best cars I ever had of that era. The only other car that edged it out was the Volkswagen. The Corvair had a much better road feel than anything from Ford.
I had a couple corvairs (60 and 66) and a 62 Nova. In total the 62 Nova was much better than the 60 corvair. For handling/performance the 66 Corvair was best. If I put myself in the position of what most informed car buyers of the time who only have one car would want overall it would be the Nova because it did everything well. Our family also had a 64 Chevelle (283HO) which I would rank as one of best most balanced car designs of the era.
In the early sixties you could get a Corvair with a 150 horsepower turbo charged Flat 6 air-cooled motor what did Porsche have? An anemic four banger with 60 horsepower. Second generation Corsa came with either four carburetors or 180 horsepower turbo. A very Advanced car like nothing else in the United states.
Well done. A few were new to me. All had fascinating stories. Bravo!
Most sound like they were created by Homer Simpson. "All my life, I have searched for a car that feels a certain way. Powerful like a gorilla, yet soft and yielding like a Nerf ball. Now, at last, I have found it. Homer, The Car Built for Homer."
Who is the camera man? Is he drunk????
Certainly made me feel hung over after watching this video
at times I wondered what the camera person was looking at.
🙈Weeeeeeeeeee🙊
made me seasick.
Nah. A drunk dude would have banged into vehicles and then the sound of "SCReeech" as he scratches the hell out of a vehicle, followed by a beer belch to check out the audio echo.
Fantastic tour! I had the good fortune to visit the museum in 2007..to my surprise, many of the cars on display then - are in the vault now! Elvis's Pantera, Elton's Delehaye, the black Ferrari gifted to Henry Ford...great memories re-kindled. Thank you!
Very informative and interesting. One of the few 45 minute long RUclips videos I've seen where I find myself wishing it had been longer.
Glad you enjoyed it!
That last crazy story of the Dale/Revette sounds like it needs to be a Hollywood movie! Trying to push some lesser car, has it featured on the Price is Right, murder, flees to Texas, pushes it again, cease and desist, disappears, used to be a man, what? WHAT?!
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Look for, RegularCarReviews, Tale of the Dale
@@M4DesignUSA Wow.That really is quite the story.Straight out of daytime soaps meets mystery movie of the week.
Then disappeared and a TRANSVESTITE was arrested who impersonated both of them.
Thanks so much for this video. I was surfing videos and found nothing of any interest, until this came along. Excellent! Thank you!
Thanks Jason and everyone at the Petersen! So interesting! I'm Learning so much from your tours and videos! And what an amazingly rich and varied collection of cars you have! ❤️ the Zeder .. so beautiful .. kind of logical that the firm behind such sublime styling, Bertone, would go on to be responsible for the Miura and the Countach .. but so sad that it exists now really in name only, not designing cars any more the way they used to .. so in another sense keeping with the today's theme. Isn't the world a richer place for all the adventurous souls following their dreams and making these cars real! 'til next time, take care everybody ... 😀 .. 🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻 ... P.S. So looking forward to the Cars & Coffee next weekend !!!
I f you rode in or drove a Davis, and it hit a pot hole with the front wheel you would understand why the car was horrible, absolutely horrible...
But that didn't stop England's Reliant car company from making it's 3 wheel Robin! Mostly as a 3 wheel car fell into a far cheaper vehicle tax level, so they were popular, and also known for rolling over.
@@Oldbmwr100rs in post-war England three-wheel cars were considered motorcycles so therefore you didn't have to have a license for them. I don't know how long that lasted
Capitalism is not a kind mistress even if the cars are designed extremely well.
24:56 Looks like a Tatra from Czechoslovakia! (Tatra is the car that Ferdinand Porsche stole many design ideas to create the Volkswagen for Hitler!)
Edsel....ultimate example of general public giving corporate hype a reality check.
Fantastic video! The Kaiser Darrin and Tucker Torpedo were both fantastic designs in their own way. Sad that neither were profitable:(-John in Texas
I'm seeing a lot of cars that failed for business reasons, not mechanical flaws and poor designs. In that sense, the cars didn't fail but rather the car companies. The video title is a little misleading.
Well... that's what the presenter said
"This car is bad , mkay"
Great stories. Especially the last one.
I still have brochures of the Dale car. Their headquarters, the 2oth Century Motor Car Company was located on Ventura Blvd in Encino, Ca.
The Edsel could not get past it's ugly front end and the heavy look that made it look like a a boat out of water
To start, great cars, speaker is well educated in his topic. Now on to the rest... You need to re shoot the whole thing with a real camera operator. Either the gimbal is completely screwed up, or your camera operator can't keep the camera straight, also we want to see the CARS, not so much the presenter. (a cheap small light might have helped) Finally, a great drinking game could be played, when the presenter says"mmmkay" you drink.
Thank you for posting this video. This guy is great! Jason is a wealth of information. I am so glad I watched this video. Please post more videos about the cars in your museum.
Only real failure in this video is the craptastic camera work... Why am I looking at the floor or ceiling EVER when I'm trying to look at the cars... and so many more complaints about it
Failure of that toupee stands out more.
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uni blab I assume from your lack of response that you have no rational reason not to make fun of gay people. Therefore I shall continue to make fun of everyone. Gay people included.
@uni blab Gayness never came to my mind.
I was waiting for that comment.
You people make me sick...a man at last finds a job where he is in his element, with absolutely no breeze to bother him and you're still picky picky.
I could spend days in there, awesome.
You didn't mention the Corbin.
It's the little pinkish red bubble like thing beside the large pink and purple front drive car.
I didn't catch it, but was working for the "exclusive" san francisco dealership that was owned by one of his big investors. After checking it out and talking to Mike Corbin, I started asking a lot of questions on how it was going to be under $13K if each car had nearly $30K in it, he gave a speil about how many he's be building within a year and a bunch of other crap. Our demo car rolled over while the shop owner was driving, and the car was badly damaged. I knew the entire corbin motors was just a scam when he was showing a mockup of an engine being developed, one from the same company another scammer back in the early 90's was trying to sell off as the new Indian motorcycle company. That bastard Mike Corbin was lucky to keep his motorcycle accessory company after all that.
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The Dodge Zeder reminds me of the French Facel Vega and that car has a Chrysler V8 engine. Beautiful body work on the Zeda and the Chrysler gas turbine cars driven by
the public also had their bodies made in Italy.
Great presenter and educational. Didn’t know 3/4 of these and I thought “I knew” cars. Nope, just scratched the surface. And for Jason to talk without skippin’ a beat was awesome! Cheers from Maine 🍻
Glad you enjoyed it!
I drove 1200 miles to go to this museum a few years ago! Went by myself and looked at every single car and read every placard.. I took hundreds of pictures!! Maybe the best place I've ever been to!! I did not go into the vault as it wasn't open, so these vids the last few days are awesome!! If you haven't been to the Peterson museum and you like cars, you need to go here at some point in your life.
Thank you for your support!
WOW..... This man knows his stuff! Absolutely amazing detailed knowledge! Bravo my friend, bravo!
Glad you enjoyed it!
@25:24 I agree Cisitalia 202 is lovely :)
Very interesting tour.
Love the Zeder- one of the most beautiful cars of all time, IMO. Thanks for sharing its story.
I thought it had a touch of Barris, no? Definitely a fave of mine in this tour, that and the '32 Ford.
I'd never heard of it, but it is a gorgeous car.
I don't care if Cisitalia is a failure but I would chose it over any Porsche. That is a artpiece on wheels.
DETROIT the "Paris of the West"? That was a very very very long time ago....Just sayin"...
I noticed all of your cars either have the convertible roof off or the windows down. Do you always leave them this way? How do you keep them from getting coated with a layer of dust? The inside and outsides all look very clean.
Edsel was, really, not a bad car. My home town in Michigan used a '58 Edsel Villager station wagon as an ambulance until about '67. A family friend put over 100,000 miles on a '59 Edsel station wagon. The Edsel was often called "Mercury sucking a lemon" because of the horse collar grill.
I also drove a second generation Corvair that belonged to a friend. I would never have bought one just because of how light on the front end it felt at only 65 MPH. Down right scary.
Edsel is just a rebodied Fairlane and those are completely reliable. I drive a 57 with 292 and adapted 5 speed.
There's a Corvair resto shop near me. The owner has told me most people weren't aware they're supposed to run low (10psi?) In the front apparently 🤷♂️
Poor language skills for a spokesman
VERY VERY Interesting
The first-generation Corvair looks amazingly like an NSU Prinz. The second generation was a handsome and pleasant machine, especially when the engineers defeated the bean-counters and installed a double-jointed axle, rather than the crude but cheaper single joint.
I had a '66 Corvair Corsa with the turbocharged engine. Handled like a dream with some added weight in the trunk. The real drawback of the 'vairs was that they all leaked oil like a sieve.
Just me? That '59 Edsel was beautiful.
Its just you.... the 58 was even more ugly
I look forward to all your videos. Those of us who love classic cars, design, and history are really enjoying your tours during this time. Just fantastic. Thank you!
40:00 From everything I've read, the original Corvair's handling could be considered tolerable for drivers who were skilled enough to know what not to try. But to put that car in the hands of American drivers who were used to being able to sling around a muscle car in and out of a 4 wheel drift with ease was, in fact, irresponsible. Some of the car's bitterest opponents inside GM were executives whose sons had been killed, injured or scared out of their wits by their experiences with the cars. Of course, even with the swing axles, the car could have been a lot better and the safety of the '64 Corvair (the last year before the fully-independent suspension was added), with an anti-sway-bar in front and sort of a see-saw bar in the rear, could have been added to the '60 for a trivial increase in cost, which was vetoed by marketing, because they were determined to make this an economy car. And there's the rub: Ed Cole wanted the Corvair to be the modern day model T, a well-rounded car for everybody that could do the job efficiently and cheaply, but without a much higher production volume , it was never going to be competitive with its more boring rivals. And, it couldn't do everything for everyone anyway; if you wanted a turbocharger, or if you needed a station wagon, you had to give up air conditioning; if you wanted to be comfortable in cold climates, you needed a fuel-guzzling gasoline heater. The Corvair ended up being a specialty car, which was all it could ever have been. I wonder if it could have carved out a more secure niche if GM had planned it as a world-car, built and shipped all over the world in collaboration with overseas partners; that might have put a dent in the cost premium GM was paying for a platform that shared almost nothing with its GM stablemates.
The skills of the camera man do not fit with the level of skill of the presenter.
Thought you would have mentioned the Stanley Steamer. They refused to adapt to the demands for internal combustion engines by continuing to produce external combustion engines (steam), and fought back against other companies by putting out ads calling then "internal explosion engines".
Be still my heart... That might be my old Corvair! Right color, right year... Ralph Nader was media seeking. GM fixed most, if not all of the identified issues. The 67 Corsia was awesome.
N'k, and all that, n' everything else. Right?
(amazing collection, shame about the leaden presentation)
yeah the Edsel also had every receding design trend, which didn't help. Looks amazing today, though, wow
I got dizzy from the camera work AND THE LIKE...😂😂 *just saying*
Cool videos lately. I've been to the museum twice and loved it.
34:00 Ford positioned the entry-level Edsel Ranger squarely between the most basic Ford and the step-up Fairlane, and the top-line Edsel Citation was priced between the highest-price Mercury model and the lowest-price models from Lincoln. The first-year Edsel basically competed with all of Ford's popular-price models from those competing with mid-line Plymouths to those competing with the Buick Roadmaster 75.
Add Edsel's hideous styling and trouble-prone gadgets, and you have a recipe for failure.
1975 Dale made by Liz Carmichael was on Unsolved Mysteries by Robert Stack and Aired on April 26 1989.
Awesome Video!!! Jason does an awesome job explaining this beautiful knowledge!! Thank you for sharing!!!
That citrus orange/yellow color is fantastic.
Selden's 1877 patent is front wheel drive. So I think that qualifies as the first American front wheel drive car. Of course he didn't actually build a working one until he got into a patent dispute with Henry Ford.
Amazing spectacle, very well presented.
The Edsel was a committe design. I believe they were an OK car. But from a market viewpoint a bit like the "Srewdriver - hammer- compass- flashlight tool". Love the Dodge Zeder. (UK)
No, they weren't oK. My dad inherited a new Edsel when his father suddenly died in 1958. The AC went out the first month and the car would flood and stall more often than start cleanly. It got horrible gas mileage and was very much in the vein of the "American Barge" auto design. All around, a real turkey.
My favourite was the Ruxton. Very cool looking and yes, I'm sure those headlights would have been... disappointing.
Edsel was the Pontiac Aztek of its time--butt ugly beyond belief. The grill drew especial critical fire as "a horse collar", "a toilet seat", and worse.
I liked the Aztek.
An oldsmobile sucking a lemon.
Fascinating. I agree that the Zeder is exceptional, obviously influenced by the likes of Ghia, Pininfarina and Zagato, and unfortunately proof that the US car-buying public was too susceptible to the marketing whims of the majors and their excesses of flashy chrome, absurd body designs and multicolored paint jobs. I would love to see this car in action. Thanks for the tour.
Thank you Jason for this amazing tour. Very interesting stories behind these cars.
Great video ! Thank you ! Excellent camera work! the camera guy pans to other cars that are fascinating even though their not part of this presentation. GM corrected the swing axle by making it double jointed, but after Unsafe At Any Speed was published, the damage was done. Any car can roll over; a double jointed axle Corvair can certainly out handle a lifted Jeep! and people still drive those....
Thank you very much!
Yep, but unlike a Jeep, it looked like it may go round the odd corner, without too much near death.
Very joyful afternoon watching this cool video!
Far out headlights on the Ruxton at 6:05. Thanks for the tour.
11:05 - I can't believe you walked by the jet plane looking thing without mentioning what it was.
Is this heaven?
...when you're driving out of the vault in one of your choosing. Yes!
Ari Jaaksi I think so.
If Eva Longoria is there, yeap
Would be nice to see some of the engines.
This presenter is the best of all of them. He really knows his stuff and shares a lot of very interesting facts about the cars and the companies. I hope he does more of these. Great show!!
Very thorough and well put together tour, thank you so much!
God the commentator's boring.
haha. American Airlines sized people 19:29
Such amazing, interesting automobiles. Presentation manage to completely suckify the whole thing.
I like how the guy says Mmmkay like Mr. Mackey from South Park. Mmmkay
Zeder! Up the street from where I grew up a family had 2 Edsel's! Both white and turquoise, one sedan and one wagon. I never saw them move, parked in an open front car port and one day they where gone...
"Zeder" should be authentically pronounced "Zeeder". There are many contemporary films about Chrysler Engineering with this correct pronunciation, "Zeeder".
You're almost definitely correct! Americans lost the ability to properly pronounce the final letter of the _English Alphabet_ a great many moons ago.
Thanks for the tour love all the cars in the background to
My favorite was Preston Tucker. I saw the movie as a kid. Chrysler Zeder is the best looking.
The Tucker appears to have been a car/design which if given adequate time/Capital, would have succeeded. However, the presenter hinted that there was a conspiracy of sabotage from other "Envious" Car Manufactures, who methodically deny it's "Supply Chain" of parts/resources to properly roll out the models w/proper quality control. It was a complex car by the standards of 1948!
Awesome video!! Thanks for sharing your collection.
Thanks for watching!
The Porsche Typ 360 was a fully functioning Grand Prix car, not just an engine. It was based on ideas Porsche had for for Auto Union's 1940 season, which never happened of course. The car featured a mid-mounted 1.5L supercharged flat-12, a motorcycle-style sequential manual transmission and selectable all wheel drive. Porsche later rescued it from Argentina and is now restoring it and an unfinished second chassis.
That Fisker Karma behind the Corvair is easy example of a modern failure. The Low sales and fire risk, cool car though
In 1980, I was fortunate to visit the Harrah's Auto collection in Reno, Nevada. Great collection that , unfortunately was scattered after Bill Harrah passed away.
I could get lost in this place ... and not mind a bit .... Preston Tucker was shafted, quite deliberately, by the big guys who then stole his ideas, over time. See the great movie, "Tucker: The Man And His Dream." ... Hey, Edsels and Corvairs were cool. I was a kid, but I was around to see 'em. ... Ralph Nader was an arsehole then, and he's an arsehole now ... Considering the syle-less rolling computers that are out there now, I don't want "the car of the future;" I want the "car of the past." About 1968 would be about right.
One level of the parking garage is not enough room. Gentlemen, start your engines!
Totally retooled factories. Not one looked like a TANK.
Very good and enjoyable presentation. Wouldn't have known all these stories,!! amazing and quite informative and all in one place. Brilliant.. Also, if I just couldn't see the video, only hearing the audio , I would have thought it is Tom Hanks (him of 'Angels & Demons' fame) speaking!!🤗
Interesting automotive history lecture. Well done Sir!😎🏁
Most interesting how automobile is culturally defined and so is failure. Both are seen thru the lens of the moment. Funny how there doesn't seem to be a bad car in the entire collection (Except the Dale). Ironic.
Oh, Petersen Automotive Musem was in the White Rabbit episode which featured the dale car.
What is the silver car just next to the maroon one he presents around 25''00, the front lights of which look almost 300SL ?
That's our 1953 Nash Healey.
@@PetersenMuseum ahah thanks but I was talking about the one on the right! Can you help me please? Love how passionate you guys are!
1953 Fiat 8V Ghia Supersonic