A planet that size with the number of moons orbiting it wouldn't collapse under its own weight and become a star like you said. Besides, you're discussing fiction where humans can create earth quakes and illusions with their eyes, that you can suspend disbelief for those impossibilities and not the One Piece planet's size is disingenuous. It may be unrealistic but it IS canonically the reality of things. Personally, I don't care how strong or weak WB as far as this topic is concerned. I'm just saying, don't nitpick which facts to ignore just because you find it absurd... That isn't an objective way of looking at both sides of the argument. Anyway, good video
@@revenantronin8377 you know that Jupiter is a failed Star right? Right? That it was supposed to gain more mass and actually become a star but didn't.. But yea.. you're right about not nitpicking many things.. But these days where people think the character would win because he's got good animated scenes.. They just have to nitpick those things lol😂
@@Nabumamu Oh I do know about Jupiter... my point isn't that it's realistic, my point is that it's MEANT to be unrealistic, fantastical- you know, like a fantasy (which it is)... It's fiction. If a reader or viewer can put up with the idea of a mountain sized fox with 9 tails being locked in a damn baby, then why stop at a star sized planet? I don't know if people realize it or not, but all this is just fiction and is meant to be taken as such. Things established in each fictional world are meant to be imagined as reality for the characters.
A point you failed to mention is that Madara won't be affected by Conquerer's Haki. Short Story: Chakra inherently and passively provides mental protection to one's mind, psyche, etc. and that protection can become active and increased. Madara also has an insane will power. Will power resists being knocked out by CH. Long story: Chakra is spiritual and mental energy mixed with physical energy so inherently and passively protects your mind and psyche. This is shown by how characters say stuff like "Genjutsu of that level won't work on someone like me" (referencing Ay's Bijuu levels of Chakra), or 'the level of genjutsu needed to be cast on Bijuu' idea because of their immense power and chakra. Most of the Bijuu nor Ay have any genjutsu affinity or any specific genjutsu resistance; their chakra volumes and potency are just so high that they neg most levels of genjutsu passively, showing that chakra inherently guards and protect your mind and psyche. This is further shown by how some characters can resist the Yamanaka's abilities and push them out, or how Ibiki (the t0rture specialist), sometimes struggles with invading the minds of his victims (like Pain). These last two aren't even genjutsu, they're literally just techniques that allows them to forcefully invade one's mind and psyche. Chakra is also telepathic as you can sense and see a person's true intentions, emotoins and even memories through a chakra connection, further showing the mental and psychological nature and abilities chakra has and grants. Then there's will power. Will power is an underrated aspects in Naruto, but it and resolve are both tied to one's chakra and their combat ability. Some will power feats in Naruto are Kimimaru, despite having his bodied destroyed and actually crippled by terminal illness, was able to move by pure will power; Orochimaru holding onto his soul against the grim reaper by pure will; cursemarks and Bijuu needing insane willpowers to master; Tsukuyomi needing powerful will to break out of or even survive; or Madara having the will power to do everything he did, despite all the obstacles he faced and literally having to set up a revival plan, just to enact his desire of world peace. And there are countless other willpower feats, as well jutsu and abilities that require insane will power to even use. There are goals that people pursue and obstacles that that they face that require immense will to pursue and to strive through. And it's generally shown that Madara and other top tier characters are extremely tenacious with an immense force of will. It's just clear that will power, tenacity, perseverance, determination, etc. are all wide spread, deeply rooted and integral to the story, characters, many of their abilities, their goals and their struggles, just like any other Shonen. All this is to say Madara isn't a slouch when it comes to will power. So yeah, CH won't be much of a problem for him.
you don't need to mention all that. With verse equalisation as it should be, Madara could also have it. Even in the one piece universe it only affects those with weaker wills, Madara is extremely strong willed so it won't affect him much.
@@bonkpolice7602 doesn’t work doesn’t even do damage the power gap is that big bullet is wanking wb while lowest possible scaling Madara at every chance
I can put money on it you didn’t watch marine ford, and If you did you watched it judging the entire thing trying your hardest to make it seems worse in your own world, in all honesty white shatters Naruto verse. One last point people seem to forget is that white beard was holding back while fighting so he didn’t hurt his own crew😊
@@Marcus-gf5uq The Naruto verse has some broken characters if you include Boruto. By all means, Whitebeard can´t beat Shibai Otsutsuki, lmao. But even without the Boruto verse, Kaguya alone might be too much for Whitebeard since she can just trap him in another dimension and leave (Whitebeard can´t do anything against that because she´s immortal). Please don´t over exaggerate these comparisons. All of this scaling shit should be fun and not toxic and blindfolded to facts
@@turkeysgotmorecloutthanyou that’s cap, 1 of the admirals even killed his own teammates purposely. And WB continues to break said admirals spine. Then he fought an pretty much beat black beard solo, while injured. Madara could never 👎 stop the whank
Exactly!! This is what i think. How is any OP character reacting to limbo? like its literally three madaras existing in different dimensions and literally bullying u. U can't even see or touch em
Prime WB should have advanced observation haki which should he able to counter Limbo. Ngl haven't watched the video yet so dunno if he's talking about prime or severely ill, can't use haki properly anymore, basically on his deathbed bit still fighting WB
@@Kaushikush335 future sight if you can figure out what it means. You can see that something seemingly invisible will hit you, then if you have good enough fight iq, you need to block/strike in the direction the invisible blow was going to come from
@ffbear8078 Like i said, u can't even touch the limbo even if u know it's coming. Striking won't even work. Future sight might help, but idk how it will benefit WB since he will only be able to react, not deal damage in any way. Plus, we dont know that WB really had Future sight, but assuming how strong he was he might have it.
@sarveshnathan7559 white beard has nothing to deal with sharringan genjutsu, or the litany of other sealing jutsu madara has access to thanks to wood style. Or hell rinnegan human path instant kills, limbo clone. Madara has so many i win buttons against whitebeard its not even funny. Its just not a good matchup.
@@einjharrelraca Madara isn't known for using genjutsu like Itachi. He only ever used a basic genjutsu to knock out the Raikage. That aint enough to topple WB. What's wood going to to against WB. All he has to do is swing his fist and decimate all the wood thrown at him? Fire style? Please WB tanked magma punches from Akainu and didn't even flinch. His casual fist swings created tsunamis capable of engulfing an entire island. Meteors? WB can smash those away without even trying. Even Doffy and Law could slice up meteors sent down by Fujitora. Absorption? Won't work since WB doesn't use chakra, and even then his attacks aren't tangible, just him creating powerful tremors and quakes. Nothing to absorb. Given how much punishment WB tanked even in his old age and deteriorating health. Madara will have his work cut out for him. PS? Wb can just tilt the battlefield to knock Susanoo over and smash it to pieces. He defeated giants as ig as a PS in marineford. Just the aftershocks of his punches could be felt all the way from Marineford to Sabaody. Madara's only chance for a stomp is to go juubi mode.
@@sarveshnathan7559 wow. The whitebeard wank is insane. XD holy shit. Also. Perfect susanno is ALOT more durable than the random ass no name giants in marine forde.
I agree. 3 eyed madara is comparable to kaguya and six paths naruto. Just because of the chakra statement people created this massive gap between him and kaguya which is unrealistic as hell. If Madara fought kaguya alone he could perform better than naruto. Easily star level
@@ChangerofWays-Tzeentch naruto used 4 clones . That means he had to divide chakra amongst 4 clones instead of hundreds like with kaguya ,making them weak as shit
@@Dilllonm also wb and roger weren't going all out at all, they just wanted to have a fun time, while madara and hashirama fought to the death using thier strongest attacks
@@MMaStrongestFighter but they didnt go all out, they were just having fun. juubidara is on same lvl as hagoromo, who with hamura fought kaguya whole week going all out
No not exactly there are devil fruits that can stop madara it’s just not whitebeards plus the logia’s can’t be delt wit either since they become their element
Exactly, I don't know why people think the One Piece verse is comparable to the Naruto/Boruto verse. A Random Shinobi Fodder solos the One Piece verse.
@@KingBullet123 I have heard people say that lightning release it’s not as fast as real lightning because in one of the naruto novels it’s stated lightning release it’s only Mach five
@@vinno5901 madara quite litterally was 1vs2 by naruto and sasuke and still was overpowering them strenght speed and hax wise and those are six path naruto who also was fighting kaguya who created 6 infinite sized dimension shes easily scaled to low multiversal plus momoshiki stated to created a hyperspace wich a 5d feat wichi low cmplex multiversal where the fuck luffy can scale to that? a fucking pirate vs alien gods and ninja gods how? HOW!!! LUFFY IS FODDER!!!!!!!!!!!!
@@muhammadirfanshahrulhani-kj4rx the feat of a singular, casual swing of his susanoo's sword, was enough to obliterate a mountain range. How about the double meteor feat. You know, double what fujitora did, with no real effort on madara's part. Dudes a beast. And this is without assuming any sharringan shenanigans with genjutsu.
@@einjharrelraca second fujitora also not use real effort plus fujitora can spam meteor and fujitora meteor more faster and have fire effect second is easy handle by zoro and zoro in wano arc is far more strong than the old arc plus And by feat in anime zoro literally dodge light speed attack from paw and plus that not even version of post time skip zoro is zoro before new world arc simple mountain feat bruh literally post Time skip Luffy is term in speed out scale base madara and by logic Luffy base can destroy mountain of he one I can say post Luffy gear 2 is more fast than might guy gate 9 speed
I just saw the thumbnail and title, I haven't seen a second of this video. There is absolutely ZERO percent chance that Madara doesn't completely wipe the floor with Edward Newgate. This is so one-sided it's not even funny.
Haki can resist all abilities. One piece verse has many kinds of devil fruits which are more busted than mere hypnosis. Not saying whitebeard wins but its obviously not gonna be a clap
@@heisenberg9595crazy you say that when there's hax that literally make you unable to fight if you get hit and madara by his character would prob let himself get hit
It's not ridiculous lol 😂... Otsusuki dimension contains multiple stars and moons shown in boruto and kaguya able to destroy it and Momoshiki is able to create it but I don't that scales to Madara because he is weaker than Kakashi
First of all you said that prime whitebeard wouldn’t be much faster than old white beard which is not even close to the truth, you failed to give detail on his haki, you didn’t mention supreme king haki or the colour of suprem king and you even failed to mention whitebeard weapon Murakumogiri which is one of the 12 great “Supreme” swords. In one piece there are 21 “Great” blades. The blade which whitebeard has is a Great Supreme Blade moreover you failed to mention Old whitebeard’s raw strength, Old whitebeard in marineford when he wasn’t even taking his medication he still stopped The Mobi Dick which is 90 ft and one of the biggest ship in one piece. You even didn’t mention how tall whitebeard is he is 666 cm or (21’10) which is basically a giant compared to madara. You also didn’t mention that his blade Murakumogiri was also a black blade. Black blades are a lot stronger than regular blades and he made his Great Supreme blade black only a few people ever were able to do that in the one piece verse. I don’t know if he would be able to defeat madara still but you didn’t mention a lot of his details if we consider these details then I think whitebeard has a much bigger chance to beat madara
Doesn't seem like you took much consideration to Haki, but 2 different power systems so would be hard to even compare in this fight to be realistic. If anything Whitebeard would see all of Madara attacks coming with future sight but then again we wouldn't know anything since its 2 totally different power systems.
And let's not forget about the ems precognition and conq haki won't do shit to madara this mf lives for battles so will power is on another level and he literally has the rennigan which alow him to so much stuff that its literally unfair and don't forget his battle iq is better than whitebeard so and with better iq madara has this fight is in the bag I'm a one piece and a naruto fan but let's be honest this is madara we r talking about
This is for all those who are still in the same war between Fandoms, I will only comment that this below is not a bad piece of information or something like that, this below has been TOTALLY AND LITERALLY explained by an AI, just read it: *"Shirohige is known for his immense physical strength, durability, and his mastery of Haki, a mysterious power in the "One Piece" world. Madara Uchiha, on the other hand, is a legendary ninja in the "Naruto" series who possesses powerful Uchiha clan abilities, including the Sharingan and Rinnegan, along with immense chakra reserves and techniques...* *Both characters are incredibly strong within their respective universes, and the outcome of a confrontation between them would largely depend on the rules and mechanics of the fictional worlds they inhabit. Without more context and a proper crossover scenario, it's not possible to definitely determine who would win in a confrontation between Shirohige and Madara"*
This does it, one piece is the most overhyped anime of all time… can’t believe people are actually comparing Whitebeard to Madara. Literally any form of Madara will kill Whitebeard
Nigga. OBVIOUSLY IF MADARA HAS HIS LIMBO CLONES WHICH OPERATE IN A WHOLE DIFFERENT DIMENSION WHITEBEARD WOULD LOSE TF. But EMS MADARA VS WB IS A LOT CLOSER
Bro where was advanced conquerors for whitebeard? where was conquerors coding? where was advanced armerment haki you gave madara the edge because of how little discussion you put into white beard.
man can make a star level earth quake and that the one piece world is 11 times bigger then earth explain that and he'd have armour from his extreme haki@@cjmatrix7366
@@k.mpla-mihoc9631 Nobody makes an star level earth quick he is shaked a island and the statement about destroying the world is Hyperbole because there is no backup feat or any other proof for it also in One piece databook clearly stated that WB could destroy the world only meant for his title not power level atleast read that ... By your logic I can also scale madara he stated to destroy the universe in perfect susano mod stated in manga 🤷
@@cjmatrix7366 yes he cant destroy the one piece world but he has the power to which means hes atleast continental range in power he rivaled roger meaning he is a haki master he has future sight so if madara trys to attack he can see 10s in the future which means he can inturrept any of madaras attacks . the admirals move 1500x the speed of light because just a Kizaru beam is 18x Zoro dodges that with a brutal injuries so its at least a 30x then Luffy has gear 2 which is a 5x boost so 150 gear 4 is about a 4x boost in just speed so that's 600x and the admirals fried him like they were at mc Donalds and whitebeard was doing amazing against the admirals 2 shoting Akainu the strongest in like 30 s making him cry to his mama he can easily split 7 - 8 mountains in a row as Garps statement said he could and he did rival roger and roger rivaled whitebeard . So yeah but I hoped you had a good Christmas(its a little late I know) and in my words white beard folds Madara like he was at a Gordan Ramsy Restaurant
“Madara cannot be touched by Whitbeard because he is intangible along with his clones”, Haki and Logia Intagibility: Are you sure about that? And also are we ignoring that the shit Madara did was copied by Bluenos door door fruit? Of which has him in an alternate dimension as well? and devil fruit powers can be countered by Haki or willpower? All in all, the only thing Madara is winning this is via his regeneration, and considering Hashirama defeated him in the past, so why not?
Not really its got to be Naruto because most of the characters are weak but only a few is strong like for example the khonaha 11 is weak except for naruto and sasuke.
Nah, One Piece is the weakest because Naruto/Boruto verse simply outscales. Naruto/Boruto characters like Gaara and Rock Lee could solo the entire One Piece verse.
One piece is not the weakest because of Nika the limit is your imagination meaning if you imagine that the opponent is dead then the oppone t is dead no matter how strong kaguya or madara or hagoromo are they cant do anything to it
@eliottshaw4069 no luffy with gear 5 is still weak he go's by cartoon logic and characters with cartoon physics have been beaten by king bullet has a video of naruto versus luffy and naruto slaps its why I say one piece is the weakest verse
SS6P Madara beats any WB Edo Madara beats any WB Alive Madara beats Marineford WB Alive Madara vs Prime WB is good. If its Madara with Kyubi and especially Hashirama cells then probably Madara. If its before the Hashirama cells then its close.
Also how did you get to the conclusion that because Whitebeard fought Roger for 3 days and Marara fought Hashirama for a day, Whitebeard has more stamina?????
Wasn't the purpose of the Ōtsutsuki to plant a Divine Tree to collect all the energy from the planet, i.e. the chakra of living beings and natural energy, and concentrate it into a fruit that they then consume to strengthen themselves? In other words, the chakra has always existed and is inherent in all living beings. However, as we know, chakra flows within the body through separate channels, resembling veins - chakra pathways. These pathways pass through every cell in the body, winding around every organ. However, we do not know whether they are visible, whether they are material. It can be assumed that if Kaguya had not come and given birth to Hagoromo, after which Indra would appear, then people would not have learned how to use chakra. At the same time, we know that "sage regions" already existed then, because it was Gamamaru, the toad sage, who taught Hagoromo senjutsu to fight Kaguya. Whether he knew how to use ninjutsu at that time and whether he is the first among his kind is unknown (I do not take fillers into account, tho tbc I'm not sure if it's canon that Hagoromo actually studied with Gamamaru or not), but he definitely knows how to control his chakra and balance it with natural energy, because without this it is impossible to use senjutsu. After all, chakra is a common concept of mental, physical, spiritual energy inherent in every living being, and we also have the concept of natural energy that permeates our world, a kind of cosmic energy if you will. In the world of One Piece, Haki can be considered only as a mental energy, but not spiritual and physical, and -I don’t recall that Haki was a limited resource, unlike chakra- it also limited and should be regenerated, but it's not vital when you run out of it. I conclude that any living creature has chakra, but the creature itself will not necessarily be able to use it, that is, use jutsu. It is possible that the characters of One Piece have large reserves of chakra, but simply do not know how to use or control it.
That doesn’t make sense it was originally spiritual energy mental energy and physical energy the god tree absorbs these things that make up chakra thus allowing it to absorb chakra make sense
for those who might say white beard destroys the naruto verse you are stupid have you ever heard of izunagi or reaper death seal or fucking haguromo and kaguya who guess what they are at least god level also wtf will white beard do against amaterasu or a tailed beast ball or the ability to take a sould out of someoane and even then someoane with a sharingan could use izanami and hold white beard in an infinite loop until white beard realises watever the izanami user wants him to realise but even then izunagi would realisticly be enough to finish him since you become god for a limited amount of time in witch time is stopped except for the user and most likely the gods Madara is enough to beat basicly anyone in the one piece verse with 1 limbo clone and he has 5 from what i remember so he could sit around and laugh and the clones with are intangable invisible and strong enough to trow a tailed beast hundreads of meters if not a few kilometers away with one hit and 3 eyed madara can beat a planet in secconds
Base teen actually scales above king uses the lowest ball scaling for Naruto in every single last debate like this if he properly scaled random jonin can run circles around the verse and one tap any top tier as they can damage Shukaku and Kurama who are mftl+++++ moon level and mftl+++++++++ planetary+ to star level respectively we know this Bijuu scaling as they can damage and physically keep up with prime Hashirama and alive Madara and blind sage Madara(who is stronger both alive and prime hashi combined) so the power gap between verses is massive and also base teen Naruto>>average jonin
I completely disagree with your argument of "planets can't get that big" I mean of that's the case what about characters being light speed or FTL and yet not causing stupid amounts of damage with sonic booms or other stuff. I think this line of thinking may be to cap or limit WB. Aside from that I think the video is good and in the final match I do think Madara handily wins via Tsukuyomi and regeneration hax which is in character for that Madara.
Here is the thing he did this as unlike one piece Naruto characters physical movement speed is equal or greater than their combat speed and it takes weeks to cross a country some times for people going at full speed meaning if he allowed this the Naruto planet is multi solar in size easily making destroying a hill like a planetary feat this was to put a cap on Madara sneezing and deleting the verse from existence as it took someone that is FTL++ multiple days to go from city to city that is insane
@@ChangerofWays-Tzeentch that's a good point...imma use this to wank naruto if I see people making dumb arguments and just downplaying the verse for their bias opinion
@@ChangerofWays-Tzeentch dude just cuz they can move ftl+ in combat doesn’t mean they are constantly going that fast to travel or even that being their travel speed is that however there are statements in one piece supporting the fact it is that massive due it having 6 moons orbiting it n countries like albasta having a 30km river and Marco stating u don’t realize how big the planet is until u hit the 10million to 20million island mark meaning it is massive n him using reality to limit how big fiction can make something is dumb regardless madara mainly wins due to he’s hax that whitebeard definitely doesn’t have a counter for
@@smartcurry it is stated they were moving as fast as possible and even then the one piece planet is at best 28 times the size of earth that pales in comparison to low ball Naruto planet size
I personally think the op world being bigger than the normal world cud be possible if they mean op in its entirety is bigger like for example if the op world is 2x bigger than the sun then the op sun would be much larger than our regular normal sun and so on so forth throughout the verse in order for it to be balance or it would all just collapse like u said, this is the only way that i can think of that makes sense
Madara the best Naruto got lmao Naruto might be the worst written anime in history again man trying to compare to one piece when BORUTO ALREADY IN ITS TIME SKIP is insane the power scaling is bullshi lmao everybody who’s not madara Naruto sasuke or hashirama basically gets stomped by most one piece characters lmao. If your grown man and you think Naruto good series you need to question your existence
This fight seemed pretty biased and not many points were made from my perspective. I respect it but from what im seeing, whitbeard washes all forms of madara
White beard came to the place DYING ALREADY. He took 46 cannon balls to the face and kept pushing, now answer this question Naruto meat riders, could alive Madara do the same? Highly doubtful. Almost everything we seen white beard do is near death and his own devil fruit power, meanwhile Madara needs some others dudes cells inside of him to accomplish anything 😭☠️
@@enakchandler3812 i noticed that everytime some one makes a point Naruto fans try to change the topic instead just answering the question😂THATS pathetic
A common misconception is that kizaru is only lightspeed. Him and his attacks are lightspeed at base but he can go much faster as sabaody zoro and luffy can react to the kuma light beams so they're already at least light speed. But there is no way they are the same speed as kizaru. The current strawhats had to get faster many times over to surpass Kizaru's speed (get faster than marco who was relative to kizaru), so Kizaru's easily mftl which makes old whitebeard mftl and primebeard even faster. Whitebeard is faster but madara is also mftl through scaling the lightspeed attacks throughout naruto and the multipliers of chakra. Whitebeard destroying the world which is the size of a small star (its anime technically you cant move faster than light or use ninjutsu either), means that prime and healthy whitebeard scales whitebeards AP exponentially. So for the third fight, Whitebeard is faster but around madara's power but I will still give it to jubidara because whitebeard doesn't have the hax to break out of infinite tsukiyomi. Conquerors haki also wont work because of verse equalisation madara will also have it.
i hate the concept of "verse equilization" its used to unfair degrees and unproperly. genjutsus don't work outside of naruto and even if it did in this case, anyone with conq haki could use it to remove the genjutsu from themselves as shown in the naruto anime, You need to disrupt the "chakra flow" in order to break the illusion. But notice how you need to disrupt a flow of chakra in order to stop the genjutsu, this would mean that anyone put under the illusion would have chakra veins and the like. this is one of the common misconceptions with Naruto versus. People are quick to throw out statements that genjutsus should just work on any verse outside of the show. Back to my point tho, the creator of the video only ever reeally mentioned whitebeards devil fruit feats without talking about his haki on a deeper level, such as his future sight, advanced conq coating and his ryuo haki meaning whitebeard has 3 times of dura neg.
@@rowmein so im sorry to inform you, but Madara uses sharringan genjutsu which functions differently. We know this because sage creatures are stated to not have chakra, and sasuke managed to put manda, a sage creature, into a genjutsu during his fight with deidara. So while you are correct that normal genjutsu will not work, there is no reason sharringan genjutsu wouldn't work. as for ACH, i dont know if that is breaking through a perfect susanoo bro, we've watched a full body susanoo tank bijuu dama at point blank from the 9 tailed fox, which is shown to obliterate mountains (plural), and the perfect susanoo takes that protection to an entirely different level. Onto future sight, i mean, sure, he has a discount bin sharringan at this point, sooo they both end up with precog.
@@einjharrelraca sharingan genjutsus work the exact same. I've never heard or seen where it was stated that they don't have chakra and that would be very inconsistent with how genjutsus work in general in naruto. as for ACH they bypass durability so it doesn't matter how tough it is when a single punch is going straight through, on top of that white beard has the gura gura no mi which is even more dura neg and add on top of that ryuo haki and that's now 3 different type of dura neg. madara is getting blown from the inside out. Sharingans don't give precognition. It gives the user the ability to predict their opponents next move using their body language so its way more flawed as to literally seeing the future.
@i.amsway7878 aight. Buckle up buttercup. Sharringan genjutsu doesnt effect chakra. We know this because sage creatures are stated to not have chakra (mt myoboku training), yet sasuke managed to use sharringan genjutsu on manda, a sage creature. So, sharringan genjutsu works differently otherwise manda would have told sasuke to eat shit. As for dura neg. Madara also has that theough the human path or his pile of sealing jutsu. But even with ACQ you still need the physical force to overpower a susanoo. He doesnt just phase through shit with it.
Prime madara > Marineford whitebeard (high diff) Prime whitebeard > Prime madara (mid diff) Edo rinnegan madara > Prime whitebeard (Mid diff) Jubidara solo one piece verse
@@feltond I think he had the highest bounty because he found the One Piece and read Porneglyphs with the help of Oden, while Whitebeard wasn't even after it and was just chillin
Ignoring how haki and genjutsu don't work on either one of them can I state that multipliers don't exist in naruto! This is because the curse mark multiplier was 10x because the power that sasuke had with the curse mark was 10x his original power but if he grows his base stronger it wouldn't be 10x anymore To make this easier to understand pretend someone has a power of 10 and gain 90 power more, they will have 10x the power they originaly had but if the person base become lets say 50 and they gain 90 (140) this won't be 10x their power but about 3x instead because there base got stronger.
This isn’t the case because the cm2 amp still provided a massive increase in shippuden and the war arc to Sasuke. Sasuke isn’t town level anymore. So he isn’t getting small additions in shippuden. Also it gives a 10x increase specifically to all the members of the sound 4 despite them all not being the at the same power level.
Juubi is stated beyond imagination anyone can one tap one piece as they can understand the power of the Juubi toon force only scales to the user since Luffy is continental FTL+ fodder Shukaku is unaffected by anything he does and one taps the rubber boi
Only win condition for madra against prime WB is to use infinite tsukuyomi, and we dont know if it woll work or not. Since WB has no chakra. Why is this even a deabate 😂.
Hakari kinji from JJK vs rob lucci would go crazy. Or King vs Yuki. Iv always said JJK & one piece scale better to each other. Choso might fold pre time skip crocodile. To an extent anyway. Once you start comparing top tiers it’s a little iffy.
This is actually a pretty fair assessment I don’t agree with all of it mainly the size of feats one pieces feats are alot bigger in scale than Naruto due to the size of the verse Fight one whitebeard has no way to permanently damage edo tensi madra unless you count conquerors haki being able to stop logia users from reforming but don’t think it would apply here so madara takes the win Fight two yes I think whitebeard would take the win but receive damage Fight three I think his limbo clones could be sense but once again madara regeneration abilities would give him the win with midlevel difficulty
Okay i am a op fan and i am pissed but im more pissed about where TF DO PEOPLE GET THE FEAT FOR KAGUYA BEING UNIVERSESAL, like tf okay multi solar system is a stretch BUT FUCKING UNIVERSAL??? CRACK Not aimmed towards you but the comments
Kaguya created six realities - namely other realities, other spaces and times even before she left Isshiki, since Momoshiki knew about them. That is, she could CREATE them before she ate half of the ishiki and merged with the tree, before she became even more powerful according to Zetsu. Her rikudo power technically allows her to literally control reality and any aspect of it with the power of her thoughts. So, maybe it didn’t show the scale of real universes - this is still a different quality level. In fact, she was defeated only thanks to the author's arbitrariness, plot armor, which did not allow the characters to die when they SHOULD have done it (Naruto lies helplessly under the influence of gravity... and how many times already the exhausted and half-meter Obito and Kakashi RUN), absurd luck, etc. .
Like... She's immortal living energy. The next level in Naruto is Shibai, who is literally a God and, according to Momoshiki, perhaps other Ōtsutsuki who have achieved godhood and who may have created and changed their universe.
@@serkap never stated nor that the realms she created weren't already there, and you saying perhaps??? That's not going to work out, you need to be at least certain that's what it said not a perhaps which is a guess without real statements or feats
I doubt the "vibrations" actually bypass Durability considering It didnt even destroy any kind of organs or did real damage to Akainu with that One Major Hit
lol... am I missing something? Last I checked, Akainu literally had a hole ripped through his rib area and HAD to regenerate by creating a magma chamber underground. He literally, created a mini volcano under Marineford to recover his body and then he erupted right in front of Jimbei and Marco who were trying to get Luffy to safety. Even in the chapter where he came back up, you could see his bloodied face, bruises and blood dripping from his mouth, but a few moments later he was completely healed and seemingly unscathed. He definitely had internal and external damage, it's just that he recovered enough to engage in battle yet again.
im being honest, madara wins. if whitebeard cant defeat akainu, then he wont win againts madara, madara is hella fast without all this DF ability, plus his strength and stamina is a huge advantage, he may not be as strong as whitebeard but he's pretty close. 1 second for him can launch like 4 punches and whitebeard are so damn slow. like look at his fight againts oden or roger. roger lost too againts madara, he lacks hax. even his fighting technique is subpar compare to madara.
Bruh the one piece planet is like 3 million times the size of the Naruto world just the gravity whitebeard has to walk around on the daily basis shows why why whitebeard negs
This is a common misconception, the Naruto Planet is many times larger than Earth. Even if the Naruto Planet is not as big as the One Piece Planet, the Naruto Planet is still significantly more comparable to the One Piece Planet than to Earth. The reason why hardly anyone knows this is because scaling only became really modern after the Naruto manga was already over. Because of this, there are far fewer attempts to scale the Naruto planet and the results are not as well known. There are even scales where the Naruto Planet is scaled even larger than some One Piece Planet scaling.
@@Fatalis_Legend really?? I mean people are able to walk between countries within days so I always assumed they were much smaller then our earth but even then I doubt the Naruto planet is as big as the one piece which high ball has been calculated to be solar system in size but the more accepted scaling are star size….
@@thevipivo6200 For example, from the War Arc, there are scales with the Shinju as a comparison. The size of the Shinju can be calculated fairly well, which in turn can be used to calculate various craters from the war arc and compare them to known landmarks. I've even seen scales with Genbu. And yes, you are on foot there, but the speed is enormous in an emergency, considering that it is on foot. Some cars can't drive that fast and then even across the country. This sort of walking is only if the destination is not far away and there is no hurry. In addition, for larger distances, the whole route is never shown, if the route is shown at all, then only in sections. Like in Game of Thrones, where in the late seasons, journeys that previously lasted a full season are accomplished in under one episode. Ultimately, both are closer to each other than you think, with Naruto there are only a few scales in this area because it wasn't that modern back then. With One Piece there is all the more, but there are also all the more that are just plain wrong. For example, if you scale a map where Little Garden and Dressrosa are nearly as big as Arabasta, it's far from true to scale. Then either Little Garden and Dressrosa are way too big, or Arabasta way too small. And to be perfectly honest, there are inconsistencies in both universes. With the size of the Naruto world, Team Kakashi could never have reached Sunagakure in 3 days. Luffy, on the other hand, is FTL scaled in One Piece, but even on Wano, he still takes animals for transportation, even when it's serious.
@@thevipivo6200 Between 102000-127000 kilometers in diameter. The map you've always seen in the Naruto manga is just a part of the planet that doesn't even cover a full hemisphere. There are scales that are significantly smaller, but they are far too small because they were calculated using the old map and not the images from space. Some of the scales with Genbu were even larger, but you don't know if everything was really to scale.
I’d give white beard ftl+-mftl because kizaru in egg head island blitzed a luffy in gear 4th snake man which can get to 300x faster then light if not more but this is 2 years after marine ford but I don’t doubt this kizaru was relative to an egg head kizaru
Generally One Piece verse is faster by far and a lot of those statements in Naruto are in fact Hyperbolic while One Piece literally does just about every speed feat on panel consistently. Even if Naruto verse scaled higher in DC, speed is One Pieces game
@@ChangerofWays-Tzeentch star level thats an over exagiration ngl. Bro Edo Madara is Planetary to large planetery at best. I dont wanna get into an argument with another Naruto fan whos a dick rider of the show to a point where they over estimate the characters just because they wanna make them stronger than they actually are. Plus we haven't met all the enthisists of the one piece verse yet so relax.
@@thuto9490 base 50% Kurama can destroy the Naruto planet which is easily star in size given the fact that it takes two to four days for someone doing FTL+++ speeds to go from capital to capital of neighboring countries while one piece planet sizes of anything greater than 12 times earth have all been debunked, so saying edo Madara who is far stronger than full Kurama(tails are just increases in chakra right and the power difference is clearly exponential as Kurama can fight off every Bijuu even with half his chakra make sense so logically each percentage of chakra of Kurama would increase his power exponentially)
I don’t agree with this i don’t want to type a lot so if anyone wants my calks I got it but white beard in all the 3 fights would have a big speed and power advantage madara would get hax but some of his hax wouldn’t work against white beard so I’n general white beard has much better stats and even with hax white beard has so much he can do with haki that would counter some of madaras things
@@k.mpla-mihoc9631 I got you if you want me to explain to you why I think this just tell me whatever you need you want speed calcs for white beard and madara or ap calcs or interaction with hax between them just tell me but I will have to write a lot and get proof so tell me and I will but if you not a power scaler I’m not going to waist like a hour of my raise trying to explain something
What does (actual)Prime Madara have over Prime WB, no genjutsu will work, he is outstatted massively, none of his attacks are getting passed suppressed Gura attacks let alone the unsuppressed ones Teach accidentally uses. Susanoo is getting ripped apart, too many AOE attacks for clones, WB only weakness is sea water which Madara has no access to and wouldn’t even know to use. This is not a debate unless you think Vegito is Goku’s strongest form, if that’s the case then sure let him merge with an Alien Beast and he’ll stomp. 🤫
I’m sorry man but WB is way faster than any Naruto character you’re not putting into consideration the fact that before time skip a very weakened Zoro was dodgy light attacks and moving closer to kuma and even sick WB easily high scale from that it’s not even close Naruto character can’t compare to op when it comes to speed durability, endurance, physical strength and only the highest of characters can compare to ap and tbh since one piece planet is way bigger than Naruto anybody in op who is multi continental which there is a lot would be planetary in Naruto or our world Naruto only have the haxs well not really but madara has the hax lets put it that way
Naruto Earth is 4x Larger than the real earth. OP Earth is 2x larger than the real earth. Naruto/Boruto characters simply out scales OP characters. A Random Shinobi Fodder is already Continental at Full Power. Kid Naruto already dodged a light speed attack since the first episodes of Naruto. Also, White beard is not faster than any Naruto/Boruto characters.
@@jakilee6163 u Naruto fan really are the dumbest of all fans base I can’t believe I was one of u honestly I’m disappointed in myself Madara ain’t shit and aizen before blood war are solos
Uk there are also more than 1 ftl fts for naruto characters and madara massively upscale from them right. I give durability to OP. strength could go either way since chakra is used to boost strength. Honestly Naruto fans and OP fans should be like the creators of their respective verses. Kishimoto and Oda are very good friends
Meanwhile, the whole world suffers due to the destruction of one middle island... At the same time, battles calmly take place in Naruto, in which every second attack destroys mountains, and all the others are so powerful that it is sometimes necessary to zoom in several times in a row to accommodate the explosions
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A planet that size with the number of moons orbiting it wouldn't collapse under its own weight and become a star like you said.
Besides, you're discussing fiction where humans can create earth quakes and illusions with their eyes, that you can suspend disbelief for those impossibilities and not the One Piece planet's size is disingenuous.
It may be unrealistic but it IS canonically the reality of things.
Personally, I don't care how strong or weak WB as far as this topic is concerned. I'm just saying, don't nitpick which facts to ignore just because you find it absurd... That isn't an objective way of looking at both sides of the argument.
Anyway, good video
@@revenantronin8377 you know that Jupiter is a failed Star right? Right?
That it was supposed to gain more mass and actually become a star but didn't..
But yea.. you're right about not nitpicking many things..
But these days where people think the character would win because he's got good animated scenes.. They just have to nitpick those things lol😂
@@Nabumamu Oh I do know about Jupiter... my point isn't that it's realistic, my point is that it's MEANT to be unrealistic, fantastical- you know, like a fantasy (which it is)... It's fiction.
If a reader or viewer can put up with the idea of a mountain sized fox with 9 tails being locked in a damn baby, then why stop at a star sized planet?
I don't know if people realize it or not, but all this is just fiction and is meant to be taken as such. Things established in each fictional world are meant to be imagined as reality for the characters.
@@Nabumamuyou trynna compare real life to an anime that’s cartoonish…
King bullet lemme debate with you in the discord ima make you look like an idiot bruh the way you scale is actually flawed and clearly biased.
A point you failed to mention is that Madara won't be affected by Conquerer's Haki.
Short Story: Chakra inherently and passively provides mental protection to one's mind, psyche, etc. and that protection can become active and increased. Madara also has an insane will power. Will power resists being knocked out by CH.
Long story:
Chakra is spiritual and mental energy mixed with physical energy so inherently and passively protects your mind and psyche. This is shown by how characters say stuff like "Genjutsu of that level won't work on someone like me" (referencing Ay's Bijuu levels of Chakra), or 'the level of genjutsu needed to be cast on Bijuu' idea because of their immense power and chakra. Most of the Bijuu nor Ay have any genjutsu affinity or any specific genjutsu resistance; their chakra volumes and potency are just so high that they neg most levels of genjutsu passively, showing that chakra inherently guards and protect your mind and psyche. This is further shown by how some characters can resist the Yamanaka's abilities and push them out, or how Ibiki (the t0rture specialist), sometimes struggles with invading the minds of his victims (like Pain). These last two aren't even genjutsu, they're literally just techniques that allows them to forcefully invade one's mind and psyche. Chakra is also telepathic as you can sense and see a person's true intentions, emotoins and even memories through a chakra connection, further showing the mental and psychological nature and abilities chakra has and grants.
Then there's will power. Will power is an underrated aspects in Naruto, but it and resolve are both tied to one's chakra and their combat ability. Some will power feats in Naruto are Kimimaru, despite having his bodied destroyed and actually crippled by terminal illness, was able to move by pure will power; Orochimaru holding onto his soul against the grim reaper by pure will; cursemarks and Bijuu needing insane willpowers to master; Tsukuyomi needing powerful will to break out of or even survive; or Madara having the will power to do everything he did, despite all the obstacles he faced and literally having to set up a revival plan, just to enact his desire of world peace. And there are countless other willpower feats, as well jutsu and abilities that require insane will power to even use. There are goals that people pursue and obstacles that that they face that require immense will to pursue and to strive through. And it's generally shown that Madara and other top tier characters are extremely tenacious with an immense force of will. It's just clear that will power, tenacity, perseverance, determination, etc. are all wide spread, deeply rooted and integral to the story, characters, many of their abilities, their goals and their struggles, just like any other Shonen. All this is to say Madara isn't a slouch when it comes to will power.
So yeah, CH won't be much of a problem for him.
bro didnt want to give one piece fans any hope lmfao
Advanced Colour of Conquerors:🗿
you don't need to mention all that. With verse equalisation as it should be, Madara could also have it. Even in the one piece universe it only affects those with weaker wills, Madara is extremely strong willed so it won't affect him much.
@@bonkpolice7602 doesn’t work doesn’t even do damage the power gap is that big bullet is wanking wb while lowest possible scaling Madara at every chance
Thank you,these one piss bozos have ruined the show for me with their brain dead powerscaling
madara slams whitebeard and the verse lol why is this a debate
I can put money on it you didn’t watch marine ford, and If you did you watched it judging the entire thing trying your hardest to make it seems worse in your own world, in all honesty white shatters Naruto verse. One last point people seem to forget is that white beard was holding back while fighting so he didn’t hurt his own crew😊
@@Marcus-gf5uq The Naruto verse has some broken characters if you include Boruto. By all means, Whitebeard can´t beat Shibai Otsutsuki, lmao. But even without the Boruto verse, Kaguya alone might be too much for Whitebeard since she can just trap him in another dimension and leave (Whitebeard can´t do anything against that because she´s immortal).
Please don´t over exaggerate these comparisons. All of this scaling shit should be fun and not toxic and blindfolded to facts
@@minicooper1293 dude Shukaku is mftl++++ moon level random jonin can harm and dodge his attacks the power gap is way to big
@@Marcus-gf5uq you must have not payed attention to mf cause the admirals were all also holding back and far out preforming wb for that matter
@@turkeysgotmorecloutthanyou that’s cap, 1 of the admirals even killed his own teammates purposely. And WB continues to break said admirals spine. Then he fought an pretty much beat black beard solo, while injured. Madara could never 👎 stop the whank
White beard has no answer to Madara’s limbo clones and perfect susanoo madara has too many hax abilities 🤷🏿♂️
Exactly!! This is what i think. How is any OP character reacting to limbo? like its literally three madaras existing in different dimensions and literally bullying u. U can't even see or touch em
Prime WB should have advanced observation haki which should he able to counter Limbo. Ngl haven't watched the video yet so dunno if he's talking about prime or severely ill, can't use haki properly anymore, basically on his deathbed bit still fighting WB
@@Kaushikush335 future sight if you can figure out what it means. You can see that something seemingly invisible will hit you, then if you have good enough fight iq, you need to block/strike in the direction the invisible blow was going to come from
Also I'm not saying that WB wins, but if he uses observation haki effectively then he shouldn't lose just cause of Limbo
@ffbear8078 Like i said, u can't even touch the limbo even if u know it's coming. Striking won't even work. Future sight might help, but idk how it will benefit WB since he will only be able to react, not deal damage in any way. Plus, we dont know that WB really had Future sight, but assuming how strong he was he might have it.
There’s a reason why I wanted Kenpachi Vs Madara because Whitebeard jus can’t handle him
I love how Whitebeard's win conditions are if Madara plays around too much.
too be fair, that isnt too out of character for Madara XD. but madara still stomps 9/10 low diff.
@@einjharrelraca Pre-Juubi Madara, hell no
@sarveshnathan7559 white beard has nothing to deal with sharringan genjutsu, or the litany of other sealing jutsu madara has access to thanks to wood style. Or hell rinnegan human path instant kills, limbo clone. Madara has so many i win buttons against whitebeard its not even funny. Its just not a good matchup.
@@einjharrelraca Madara isn't known for using genjutsu like Itachi. He only ever used a basic genjutsu to knock out the Raikage. That aint enough to topple WB.
What's wood going to to against WB. All he has to do is swing his fist and decimate all the wood thrown at him?
Fire style? Please WB tanked magma punches from Akainu and didn't even flinch.
His casual fist swings created tsunamis capable of engulfing an entire island.
Meteors? WB can smash those away without even trying. Even Doffy and Law could slice up meteors sent down by Fujitora.
Absorption? Won't work since WB doesn't use chakra, and even then his attacks aren't tangible, just him creating powerful tremors and quakes. Nothing to absorb.
Given how much punishment WB tanked even in his old age and deteriorating health. Madara will have his work cut out for him.
PS? Wb can just tilt the battlefield to knock Susanoo over and smash it to pieces. He defeated giants as ig as a PS in marineford.
Just the aftershocks of his punches could be felt all the way from Marineford to Sabaody.
Madara's only chance for a stomp is to go juubi mode.
@@sarveshnathan7559 wow. The whitebeard wank is insane. XD holy shit. Also. Perfect susanno is ALOT more durable than the random ass no name giants in marine forde.
I agree. 3 eyed madara is comparable to kaguya and six paths naruto. Just because of the chakra statement people created this massive gap between him and kaguya which is unrealistic as hell. If Madara fought kaguya alone he could perform better than naruto. Easily star level
He would get one slapped Kaguya was slapping Madara level clones around
@@ChangerofWays-Tzeentch naruto used 4 clones . That means he had to divide chakra amongst 4 clones instead of hundreds like with kaguya ,making them weak as shit
@@ChangerofWays-Tzeentch she was slapping double rinnegan clones. Also limbo defeated the clones at the end
@@marcoslightspeed5517 actually Naruto is implied to have all his clones equal to original by this time
@@l.lawliet2222 limbo didn’t defeat the clones actually the exact opposite
Ostotsuki god >>>>>
Madara vs hashi was 1 day but the power output was 100x that of wb vs roger. So no wb doesn’t have more stamina than alive Madara.
Broly vs Gogeta was 5 min lol so yeah it just shows that time does not always mean endurance
@@Dilllonm also wb and roger weren't going all out at all, they just wanted to have a fun time, while madara and hashirama fought to the death using thier strongest attacks
yea they were friend """enemies"""@@filipropuszynski8776
wb pirates and roger pirates fought for 3 days
@@MMaStrongestFighter but they didnt go all out, they were just having fun. juubidara is on same lvl as hagoromo, who with hamura fought kaguya whole week going all out
Base edo Madara wins by existing and deletes the rest of the verse
cap
Facts
@@thehdtv7552 cope more base edo madara scales above kcm1 which is planetary mftl++++++ one piece is a continental FTL+ level verse they are fodder
@@ChangerofWays-TzeentchTHANK YOU FOR PUTTING THESE MID-PISS FANS IN THEIR PLACE
No not exactly there are devil fruits that can stop madara it’s just not whitebeards plus the logia’s can’t be delt wit either since they become their element
Whitebeard gets turned to space dust 😆 🤣
Facts these op fans gotta stop this fr
@Too_official I'm a massive OP fan but I'm just not delusional lol. Some of them think BlackBeard can wash Baryon mode 😆 🤣 😂
@@6PathsGohan yeah bro that’s crazy 😂😂😂
@@6PathsGohan yeah bro that’s crazy 😂😂😂
@@6PathsGohanBB would wipe Naruto, why even stop there Zoro would clap Naruto easy too 😂 y'all just can't let go.
madara slams come fight me
Queer
madra cant achive hiss jubidra form ,first he needs all of tales beasts second ,,ten tails ,,and with out all of these madra losed with low no dif
We could have had madara vs Kenpachi but nooo we just had to vote for the fodder in the group
Blame the one piece fans as usual🤦🏾♂️
Exactly, I don't know why people think the One Piece verse is comparable to the Naruto/Boruto verse. A Random Shinobi Fodder solos the One Piece verse.
@@mobarenleidowu1336 as a One piece fan I agree with the 1st sentence. That 2nd sentence is a crazy take.
@@hoothoot7416 a random shinobi damaged Shukaku who is moon to planetary level and mftl++++ one piece is continental FTL+
@@mobarenleidowu1336 no they don’t lmao, the verses we somewhat comparable back before the war arc in Naruto
3 eyed Madara is uni+ to multiversal+
And mftl+++++++++++ while composite one piece is FTL+
Never let bro cook again🗣🗣🗣
Dont no about Multiversal+ tho chill bruh😂💀
Madara isn't shibai
Where tf do u get ur scaling from?
Can you do the admirals vs the Hokage's like Hashirama to Kakashi
Maybe
@@KingBullet123 I have heard people say that lightning release it’s not as fast as real lightning because in one of the naruto novels it’s stated lightning release it’s only Mach five
Cool vid bro.😺
madara is universal lmao and whitebeard is planetary at best pretty overkill
Uni?? More like multi planetary
@@Tempest1018 ok he is multi solar-galaxy+
@@youssefibrahim5496 no he’s not even if for some reason you scaled kaguya that high madara don’t scale to her
@@vinno5901 Kaguya is uni+ to multi cjus proved this
@@vinno5901 madara quite litterally was 1vs2 by naruto and sasuke and still was overpowering them strenght speed and hax wise and those are six path naruto who also was fighting kaguya who created 6 infinite sized dimension shes easily scaled to low multiversal plus momoshiki stated to created a hyperspace wich a 5d feat wichi low cmplex multiversal where the fuck luffy can scale to that? a fucking pirate vs alien gods and ninja gods how? HOW!!! LUFFY IS FODDER!!!!!!!!!!!!
Using six paths characters against One Piece is cheap LoL.
Early war arc characters already solo
@@turkeysgotmorecloutthanyou right? i mean, atleast edo madara could toy with him to make a fight actually happen.
@@einjharrelracabro tf what Edo Madara feat tf this guy
@@muhammadirfanshahrulhani-kj4rx the feat of a singular, casual swing of his susanoo's sword, was enough to obliterate a mountain range.
How about the double meteor feat. You know, double what fujitora did, with no real effort on madara's part.
Dudes a beast. And this is without assuming any sharringan shenanigans with genjutsu.
@@einjharrelraca second fujitora also not use real effort plus fujitora can spam meteor and fujitora meteor more faster and have fire effect second is easy handle by zoro and zoro in wano arc is far more strong than the old arc plus
And by feat in anime zoro literally dodge light speed attack from paw and plus that not even version of post time skip zoro is zoro before new world arc simple mountain feat bruh literally post Time skip Luffy is term in speed out scale base madara and by logic Luffy base can destroy mountain of he one I can say post Luffy gear 2 is more fast than might guy gate 9 speed
I just saw the thumbnail and title, I haven't seen a second of this video. There is absolutely ZERO percent chance that Madara doesn't completely wipe the floor with Edward Newgate. This is so one-sided it's not even funny.
Lol kids got mad , madara accidentally wipe out the mid piece verse 😂
yall have no idea how this fight would go, one look in Madara's eyes and fight will be over before it even started.
Haki can resist all abilities. One piece verse has many kinds of devil fruits which are more busted than mere hypnosis. Not saying whitebeard wins but its obviously not gonna be a clap
Madara wins every round easily.
This shouldn't be a discussion.
Bro dont mind op fans. Any version of madara neggs WB and jubidara solos op.
Tso neggs, limbo neggs, rennigan abilities neggs
Nope, only Juubi Madara
@@sarveshnathan7559edo madar too solos the verse lol
@@heisenberg9595crazy you say that when there's hax that literally make you unable to fight if you get hit and madara by his character would prob let himself get hit
Crazy how goku jus slams both with his presence
Crazy how ostotsuki god slams Goku and his verse
Crazy how hard you're on your knees for Goku
🤔
Crazy how Rimuru solos all of DBS
Crazy how goku doesn’t even need to go super saiyan for the fodders you mentioned
This fight is actually closer than most people think, especially if you don't use the ludicrous Multi Solar/Universal Naruto scaling
It's not ridiculous lol 😂... Otsusuki dimension contains multiple stars and moons shown in boruto and kaguya able to destroy it and
Momoshiki is able to create it but I don't that scales to Madara because he is weaker than Kakashi
@@cjmatrix7366 lol another guffy meat rider 😂
Observation haki might work for the invisible clones... might work.
We don't really know how strong the top dogs of one piece were in there prime yet.
First of all you said that prime whitebeard wouldn’t be much faster than old white beard which is not even close to the truth, you failed to give detail on his haki, you didn’t mention supreme king haki or the colour of suprem king and you even failed to mention whitebeard weapon Murakumogiri which is one of the 12 great “Supreme” swords. In one piece there are 21 “Great” blades. The blade which whitebeard has is a Great Supreme Blade moreover you failed to mention Old whitebeard’s raw strength, Old whitebeard in marineford when he wasn’t even taking his medication he still stopped The Mobi Dick which is 90 ft and one of the biggest ship in one piece. You even didn’t mention how tall whitebeard is he is 666 cm or (21’10) which is basically a giant compared to madara. You also didn’t mention that his blade Murakumogiri was also a black blade. Black blades are a lot stronger than regular blades and he made his Great Supreme blade black only a few people ever were able to do that in the one piece verse. I don’t know if he would be able to defeat madara still but you didn’t mention a lot of his details if we consider these details then I think whitebeard has a much bigger chance to beat madara
Doesn't seem like you took much consideration to Haki, but 2 different power systems so would be hard to even compare in this fight to be realistic. If anything Whitebeard would see all of Madara attacks coming with future sight but then again we wouldn't know anything since its 2 totally different power systems.
And let's not forget about the ems precognition and conq haki won't do shit to madara this mf lives for battles so will power is on another level and he literally has the rennigan which alow him to so much stuff that its literally unfair and don't forget his battle iq is better than whitebeard so and with better iq madara has this fight is in the bag I'm a one piece and a naruto fan but let's be honest this is madara we r talking about
You do know that madara can also see attacks coming with the sharingan right ?
@@dimitridelgado6531 not the future tbh
This is for all those who are still in the same war between Fandoms, I will only comment that this below is not a bad piece of information or something like that, this below has been TOTALLY AND LITERALLY explained by an AI, just read it:
*"Shirohige is known for his immense physical strength, durability, and his mastery of Haki, a mysterious power in the "One Piece" world. Madara Uchiha, on the other hand, is a legendary ninja in the "Naruto" series who possesses powerful Uchiha clan abilities, including the Sharingan and Rinnegan, along with immense chakra reserves and techniques...*
*Both characters are incredibly strong within their respective universes, and the outcome of a confrontation between them would largely depend on the rules and mechanics of the fictional worlds they inhabit. Without more context and a proper crossover scenario, it's not possible to definitely determine who would win in a confrontation between Shirohige and Madara"*
This does it, one piece is the most overhyped anime of all time… can’t believe people are actually comparing Whitebeard to Madara.
Literally any form of Madara will kill Whitebeard
Nigga. OBVIOUSLY IF MADARA HAS HIS LIMBO CLONES WHICH OPERATE IN A WHOLE DIFFERENT DIMENSION WHITEBEARD WOULD LOSE TF. But EMS MADARA VS WB IS A LOT CLOSER
Buddy forgot about his lazer that split mountains in half
Yeah, white beard… So weird to choose him? I mean he’s great and I love the shit out of him, but pretty random against madara, why?
Cause deleusional op fans thunks he can solo the whole naruro verse
Madara vs imu?
Hãy cho tôi một chút thông tin về Imu
Bro where was advanced conquerors for whitebeard? where was conquerors coding? where was advanced armerment haki you gave madara the edge because of how little discussion you put into white beard.
Doesn't matter Madara scales way Higher than WB .. simply means WB lacks AP to hurt madara...
man can make a star level earth quake and that the one piece world is 11 times bigger then earth explain that and he'd have armour from his extreme haki@@cjmatrix7366
@@k.mpla-mihoc9631 Nobody makes an star level earth quick he is shaked a island and the statement about destroying the world is Hyperbole because there is no backup feat or any other proof for it also in One piece databook clearly stated that WB could destroy the world only meant for his title not power level atleast read that ...
By your logic I can also scale madara he stated to destroy the universe in perfect susano mod stated in manga 🤷
@@cjmatrix7366 yes he cant destroy the one piece world but he has the power to which means hes atleast continental range in power he rivaled roger meaning he is a haki master he has future sight so if madara trys to attack he can see 10s in the future which means he can inturrept any of madaras attacks . the admirals move 1500x the speed of light because just a Kizaru beam is 18x Zoro dodges that with a brutal injuries so its at least a 30x then Luffy has gear 2 which is a 5x boost so 150 gear 4 is about a 4x boost in just speed so that's 600x and the admirals fried him like they were at mc Donalds and whitebeard was doing amazing against the admirals 2 shoting Akainu the strongest in like 30 s making him cry to his mama he can easily split 7 - 8 mountains in a row as Garps statement said he could and he did rival roger and roger rivaled whitebeard . So yeah but I hoped you had a good Christmas(its a little late I know) and in my words white beard folds Madara like he was at a Gordan Ramsy Restaurant
“Madara cannot be touched by Whitbeard because he is intangible along with his clones”,
Haki and Logia Intagibility: Are you sure about that?
And also are we ignoring that the shit Madara did was copied by Bluenos door door fruit? Of which has him in an alternate dimension as well? and devil fruit powers can be countered by Haki or willpower?
All in all, the only thing Madara is winning this is via his regeneration, and considering Hashirama defeated him in the past, so why not?
Madara:wake up to reality
Whitebeard:I can break one
Head Cannon
Edo Madara casually summoned meteors with his Susanoo. One Piece loses.
So does Fuji.
@@marqusmedina5983Fuji meteors ain't comparable to Madara's.
@@mobarenleidowu1336 not juubi Madara's but definitely better than base
@@marqusmedina5983 Base Madara meteors is way stronger though.
@@mobarenleidowu1336 not really and even then doffy tier characters casually deal with them
Naruto fans are so weird bro. Get in the shower, talk to a woman or something.
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Madara all day everyone knows one piece in the weakest verse in the big 3
Not really its got to be Naruto because most of the characters are weak but only a few is strong like for example the khonaha 11 is weak except for naruto and sasuke.
@@masonmcfadden4886 yeah but Madera would win against white beard
Nah, One Piece is the weakest because Naruto/Boruto verse simply outscales. Naruto/Boruto characters like Gaara and Rock Lee could solo the entire One Piece verse.
One piece is not the weakest because of Nika the limit is your imagination meaning if you imagine that the opponent is dead then the oppone t is dead no matter how strong kaguya or madara or hagoromo are they cant do anything to it
@eliottshaw4069 no luffy with gear 5 is still weak he go's by cartoon logic and characters with cartoon physics have been beaten by king bullet has a video of naruto versus luffy and naruto slaps its why I say one piece is the weakest verse
SS6P Madara beats any WB
Edo Madara beats any WB
Alive Madara beats Marineford WB
Alive Madara vs Prime WB is good. If its Madara with Kyubi and especially Hashirama cells then probably Madara. If its before the Hashirama cells then its close.
I AGREE THIS MAN GOT HIS FACTS RIGHT definitely a better video than tylearend in my opinion but we do all have our own so it’s fine
Also how did you get to the conclusion that because Whitebeard fought Roger for 3 days and Marara fought Hashirama for a day, Whitebeard has more stamina?????
Easy, cope
Wasn't the purpose of the Ōtsutsuki to plant a Divine Tree to collect all the energy from the planet, i.e. the chakra of living beings and natural energy, and concentrate it into a fruit that they then consume to strengthen themselves?
In other words, the chakra has always existed and is inherent in all living beings. However, as we know, chakra flows within the body through separate channels, resembling veins - chakra pathways. These pathways pass through every cell in the body, winding around every organ. However, we do not know whether they are visible, whether they are material.
It can be assumed that if Kaguya had not come and given birth to Hagoromo, after which Indra would appear, then people would not have learned how to use chakra. At the same time, we know that "sage regions" already existed then, because it was Gamamaru, the toad sage, who taught Hagoromo senjutsu to fight Kaguya. Whether he knew how to use ninjutsu at that time and whether he is the first among his kind is unknown (I do not take fillers into account, tho tbc I'm not sure if it's canon that Hagoromo actually studied with Gamamaru or not), but he definitely knows how to control his chakra and balance it with natural energy, because without this it is impossible to use senjutsu.
After all, chakra is a common concept of mental, physical, spiritual energy inherent in every living being, and we also have the concept of natural energy that permeates our world, a kind of cosmic energy if you will. In the world of One Piece, Haki can be considered only as a mental energy, but not spiritual and physical, and -I don’t recall that Haki was a limited resource, unlike chakra- it also limited and should be regenerated, but it's not vital when you run out of it.
I conclude that any living creature has chakra, but the creature itself will not necessarily be able to use it, that is, use jutsu. It is possible that the characters of One Piece have large reserves of chakra, but simply do not know how to use or control it.
That doesn’t make sense it was originally spiritual energy mental energy and physical energy the god tree absorbs these things that make up chakra thus allowing it to absorb chakra make sense
for those who might say white beard destroys the naruto verse you are stupid have you ever heard of izunagi or reaper death seal or fucking haguromo and kaguya who guess what they are at least god level also wtf will white beard do against amaterasu or a tailed beast ball or the ability to take a sould out of someoane
and even then someoane with a sharingan could use izanami and hold white beard in an infinite loop until white beard realises watever the izanami user wants him to realise but even then izunagi would realisticly be enough to finish him since you become god for a limited amount of time in witch time is stopped except for the user and most likely the gods
Madara is enough to beat basicly anyone in the one piece verse with 1 limbo clone and he has 5 from what i remember so he could sit around and laugh and the clones with are intangable invisible and strong enough to trow a tailed beast hundreads of meters if not a few kilometers away with one hit and 3 eyed madara can beat a planet in secconds
That means kcm2 nsruto scales to Wb Roger
Base teen actually scales above king uses the lowest ball scaling for Naruto in every single last debate like this if he properly scaled random jonin can run circles around the verse and one tap any top tier as they can damage Shukaku and Kurama who are mftl+++++ moon level and mftl+++++++++ planetary+ to star level respectively we know this Bijuu scaling as they can damage and physically keep up with prime Hashirama and alive Madara and blind sage Madara(who is stronger both alive and prime hashi combined) so the power gap between verses is massive and also base teen Naruto>>average jonin
You should done madara vs kaido
I completely disagree with your argument of "planets can't get that big" I mean of that's the case what about characters being light speed or FTL and yet not causing stupid amounts of damage with sonic booms or other stuff. I think this line of thinking may be to cap or limit WB.
Aside from that I think the video is good and in the final match I do think Madara handily wins via Tsukuyomi and regeneration hax which is in character for that Madara.
Here is the thing he did this as unlike one piece Naruto characters physical movement speed is equal or greater than their combat speed and it takes weeks to cross a country some times for people going at full speed meaning if he allowed this the Naruto planet is multi solar in size easily making destroying a hill like a planetary feat this was to put a cap on Madara sneezing and deleting the verse from existence as it took someone that is FTL++ multiple days to go from city to city that is insane
@@ChangerofWays-Tzeentch that's a good point...imma use this to wank naruto if I see people making dumb arguments and just downplaying the verse for their bias opinion
@@ChangerofWays-Tzeentch dude just cuz they can move ftl+ in combat doesn’t mean they are constantly going that fast to travel or even that being their travel speed is that however there are statements in one piece supporting the fact it is that massive due it having 6 moons orbiting it n countries like albasta having a 30km river and Marco stating u don’t realize how big the planet is until u hit the 10million to 20million island mark meaning it is massive n him using reality to limit how big fiction can make something is dumb regardless madara mainly wins due to he’s hax that whitebeard definitely doesn’t have a counter for
@@smartcurry it is stated they were moving as fast as possible and even then the one piece planet is at best 28 times the size of earth that pales in comparison to low ball Naruto planet size
I just seen a mf say that Rock Lee or Gaara would sole the One Piece verse and I can’t even be bothered to watch this vid anymore smh.
I just seen a mf say that naruto is the weakest verse in the big 3.
Can you do Korra vs Aang bro
I personally think the op world being bigger than the normal world cud be possible if they mean op in its entirety is bigger like for example if the op world is 2x bigger than the sun then the op sun would be much larger than our regular normal sun and so on so forth throughout the verse in order for it to be balance or it would all just collapse like u said, this is the only way that i can think of that makes sense
Are you caught up on One Piece?
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bro you could see his guy had to nerf madara for wb this is not a fight bro and did he say alive madara vs old wb can go either way ?
Question: can conquers haki help break out of genjutsu
If you consider versus equalization he could but he can't break through infinite tsukiyomi even if he has haki....
We have near no info on prime Whitebeard so that section shouldn't even exist.
Madara the best Naruto got lmao Naruto might be the worst written anime in history again man trying to compare to one piece when BORUTO ALREADY IN ITS TIME SKIP is insane the power scaling is bullshi lmao everybody who’s not madara Naruto sasuke or hashirama basically gets stomped by most one piece characters lmao. If your grown man and you think Naruto good series you need to question your existence
These Naruto fans do not want to accept that the naruto verse in not stronger then one piece
Lmao look at the comments
Bias as fuck☠️
One piece is stronger be so real
Not to mention the truth-seeking orbs. Madara for the win!
This fight seemed pretty biased and not many points were made from my perspective. I respect it but from what im seeing, whitbeard washes all forms of madara
White beard came to the place DYING ALREADY. He took 46 cannon balls to the face and kept pushing, now answer this question Naruto meat riders, could alive Madara do the same? Highly doubtful. Almost everything we seen white beard do is near death and his own devil fruit power, meanwhile Madara needs some others dudes cells inside of him to accomplish anything 😭☠️
Madara would dodge the 46 cannon balls like a G, and say "pathetic"
@@enakchandler3812 i noticed that everytime some one makes a point Naruto fans try to change the topic instead just answering the question😂THATS pathetic
@@Marcus-gf5uq why does that matter? Madara still destroys White beard, The truth hurts but oh well.
madara could definitely take 46 cannons to the face i doubt that is stronger than him taking the night guy kick.
@@xekyou_3855 Madara had outside help when taking those attacks, another dudes cells and 10 tails. So none of that is Madara own power. Try again
A common misconception is that kizaru is only lightspeed. Him and his attacks are lightspeed at base but he can go much faster as sabaody zoro and luffy can react to the kuma light beams so they're already at least light speed. But there is no way they are the same speed as kizaru. The current strawhats had to get faster many times over to surpass Kizaru's speed (get faster than marco who was relative to kizaru), so Kizaru's easily mftl which makes old whitebeard mftl and primebeard even faster. Whitebeard is faster but madara is also mftl through scaling the lightspeed attacks throughout naruto and the multipliers of chakra.
Whitebeard destroying the world which is the size of a small star (its anime technically you cant move faster than light or use ninjutsu either), means that prime and healthy whitebeard scales whitebeards AP exponentially. So for the third fight, Whitebeard is faster but around madara's power but I will still give it to jubidara because whitebeard doesn't have the hax to break out of infinite tsukiyomi. Conquerors haki also wont work because of verse equalisation madara will also have it.
Kizaru is solid light cjus proved one piece is a ftl+ verse and that is only because of the gear multiplier
i hate the concept of "verse equilization" its used to unfair degrees and unproperly. genjutsus don't work outside of naruto and even if it did in this case, anyone with conq haki could use it to remove the genjutsu from themselves as shown in the naruto anime, You need to disrupt the "chakra flow" in order to break the illusion. But notice how you need to disrupt a flow of chakra in order to stop the genjutsu, this would mean that anyone put under the illusion would have chakra veins and the like. this is one of the common misconceptions with Naruto versus. People are quick to throw out statements that genjutsus should just work on any verse outside of the show. Back to my point tho, the creator of the video only ever reeally mentioned whitebeards devil fruit feats without talking about his haki on a deeper level, such as his future sight, advanced conq coating and his ryuo haki meaning whitebeard has 3 times of dura neg.
@@rowmein so im sorry to inform you, but Madara uses sharringan genjutsu which functions differently. We know this because sage creatures are stated to not have chakra, and sasuke managed to put manda, a sage creature, into a genjutsu during his fight with deidara. So while you are correct that normal genjutsu will not work, there is no reason sharringan genjutsu wouldn't work.
as for ACH, i dont know if that is breaking through a perfect susanoo bro, we've watched a full body susanoo tank bijuu dama at point blank from the 9 tailed fox, which is shown to obliterate mountains (plural), and the perfect susanoo takes that protection to an entirely different level. Onto future sight, i mean, sure, he has a discount bin sharringan at this point, sooo they both end up with precog.
@@einjharrelraca sharingan genjutsus work the exact same. I've never heard or seen where it was stated that they don't have chakra and that would be very inconsistent with how genjutsus work in general in naruto.
as for ACH they bypass durability so it doesn't matter how tough it is when a single punch is going straight through, on top of that white beard has the gura gura no mi which is even more dura neg and add on top of that ryuo haki and that's now 3 different type of dura neg. madara is getting blown from the inside out. Sharingans don't give precognition. It gives the user the ability to predict their opponents next move using their body language so its way more flawed as to literally seeing the future.
@i.amsway7878 aight. Buckle up buttercup. Sharringan genjutsu doesnt effect chakra. We know this because sage creatures are stated to not have chakra (mt myoboku training), yet sasuke managed to use sharringan genjutsu on manda, a sage creature. So, sharringan genjutsu works differently otherwise manda would have told sasuke to eat shit.
As for dura neg. Madara also has that theough the human path or his pile of sealing jutsu. But even with ACQ you still need the physical force to overpower a susanoo. He doesnt just phase through shit with it.
The second round definitely goes to madara without any question.
Bro what's about haki?
What if madara learn haki that would overkill
Prime madara > Marineford whitebeard (high diff)
Prime whitebeard > Prime madara (mid diff)
Edo rinnegan madara > Prime whitebeard (Mid diff)
Jubidara solo one piece verse
I may be the only one, but I actually think that Primebeard > Roger
they always draw so no
@@feltond equal in strength but Whitebeard has better durability
@@diesesphil and strength too but yea maybe roger has some crazy skills we don’t know yet
@@feltond I think he had the highest bounty because he found the One Piece and read Porneglyphs with the help of Oden, while Whitebeard wasn't even after it and was just chillin
Ignoring how haki and genjutsu don't work on either one of them can I state that multipliers don't exist in naruto!
This is because the curse mark multiplier was 10x because the power that sasuke had with the curse mark was 10x his original power but if he grows his base stronger it wouldn't be 10x anymore
To make this easier to understand pretend someone has a power of 10 and gain 90 power more, they will have 10x the power they originaly had but if the person base become lets say 50 and they gain 90 (140) this won't be 10x their power but about 3x instead because there base got stronger.
shut up
This isn’t the case because the cm2 amp still provided a massive increase in shippuden and the war arc to Sasuke. Sasuke isn’t town level anymore. So he isn’t getting small additions in shippuden.
Also it gives a 10x increase specifically to all the members of the sound 4 despite them all not being the at the same power level.
Alive war arc madara with 1 rinnegan beats prime white beard
Ye fair.
But yall cant tell me any naruto character beats luffy gear 5
(Gear 5 allows the user to imagine anything and it will bring it to life)
naruto without kurama slams gear 5 luffy lmfao. luffy cant imagine anything dumbass
Juubi is stated beyond imagination anyone can one tap one piece as they can understand the power of the Juubi toon force only scales to the user since Luffy is continental FTL+ fodder Shukaku is unaffected by anything he does and one taps the rubber boi
Tsukuyomi, cut his head off. You gotta bloodlust Luffy just to give him a chance. In character Luffy loses 10/10.
No pretty sure he just turns his surroundings into rubber
@@Lum1s-yf6jf Luffys Dead if he step in the naruto verse
Yo how powerful is hagoromo
Only win condition for madra against prime WB is to use infinite tsukuyomi, and we dont know if it woll work or not. Since WB has no chakra.
Why is this even a deabate 😂.
More OP scaling please? Also, maybe jjba?
I have Madara for all 3 of them
Obviously Madara. Naruto scaling is ludicrous and not grounded.
I knew it. Naruto in the war arc get zenkai boost.
Hakari kinji from JJK vs rob lucci would go crazy. Or King vs Yuki. Iv always said JJK & one piece scale better to each other. Choso might fold pre time skip crocodile. To an extent anyway. Once you start comparing top tiers it’s a little iffy.
Madara no diff lol
Prime White beard is more fast than speed of light
This is actually a pretty fair assessment I don’t agree with all of it mainly the size of feats one pieces feats are alot bigger in scale than Naruto due to the size of the verse
Fight one whitebeard has no way to permanently damage edo tensi madra unless you count conquerors haki being able to stop logia users from reforming but don’t think it would apply here so madara takes the win
Fight two yes I think whitebeard would take the win but receive damage
Fight three I think his limbo clones could be sense but once again madara regeneration abilities would give him the win with midlevel difficulty
Okay i am a op fan and i am pissed but im more pissed about where TF DO PEOPLE GET THE FEAT FOR KAGUYA BEING UNIVERSESAL, like tf okay multi solar system is a stretch BUT FUCKING UNIVERSAL??? CRACK
Not aimmed towards you but the comments
Kaguya created six realities - namely other realities, other spaces and times even before she left Isshiki, since Momoshiki knew about them. That is, she could CREATE them before she ate half of the ishiki and merged with the tree, before she became even more powerful according to Zetsu. Her rikudo power technically allows her to literally control reality and any aspect of it with the power of her thoughts.
So, maybe it didn’t show the scale of real universes - this is still a different quality level.
In fact, she was defeated only thanks to the author's arbitrariness, plot armor, which did not allow the characters to die when they SHOULD have done it (Naruto lies helplessly under the influence of gravity... and how many times already the exhausted and half-meter Obito and Kakashi RUN), absurd luck, etc. .
Like... She's immortal living energy. The next level in Naruto is Shibai, who is literally a God and, according to Momoshiki, perhaps other Ōtsutsuki who have achieved godhood and who may have created and changed their universe.
@@serkap never stated nor that the realms she created weren't already there, and you saying perhaps??? That's not going to work out, you need to be at least certain that's what it said not a perhaps which is a guess without real statements or feats
As much as i love wb. Old sick wb is getting absolutely clapped against Madara
I doubt the "vibrations" actually bypass Durability considering It didnt even destroy any kind of organs or did real damage to Akainu with that One Major Hit
@Marvel Fan wb used armament Haki during that attack lol
@Marvel Fan We can literally see WB hit Akainu..?what
lol... am I missing something?
Last I checked, Akainu literally had a hole ripped through his rib area and HAD to regenerate by creating a magma chamber underground.
He literally, created a mini volcano under Marineford to recover his body and then he erupted right in front of Jimbei and Marco who were trying to get Luffy to safety.
Even in the chapter where he came back up, you could see his bloodied face, bruises and blood dripping from his mouth, but a few moments later he was completely healed and seemingly unscathed.
He definitely had internal and external damage, it's just that he recovered enough to engage in battle yet again.
Chapter 575 is when WB floors him, and 577 is when he erupts back up like a Volcano.
Because one piece characters tank organ strikes all the time
im being honest, madara wins. if whitebeard cant defeat akainu, then he wont win againts madara, madara is hella fast without all this DF ability, plus his strength and stamina is a huge advantage, he may not be as strong as whitebeard but he's pretty close. 1 second for him can launch like 4 punches and whitebeard are so damn slow. like look at his fight againts oden or roger. roger lost too againts madara, he lacks hax. even his fighting technique is subpar compare to madara.
If Madara uses genjutsu its over. One piece characters in general have no resistance to such attacks.
Bruh the one piece planet is like 3 million times the size of the Naruto world just the gravity whitebeard has to walk around on the daily basis shows why why whitebeard negs
This is a common misconception, the Naruto Planet is many times larger than Earth. Even if the Naruto Planet is not as big as the One Piece Planet, the Naruto Planet is still significantly more comparable to the One Piece Planet than to Earth. The reason why hardly anyone knows this is because scaling only became really modern after the Naruto manga was already over. Because of this, there are far fewer attempts to scale the Naruto planet and the results are not as well known. There are even scales where the Naruto Planet is scaled even larger than some One Piece Planet scaling.
@@Fatalis_Legend really?? I mean people are able to walk between countries within days so I always assumed they were much smaller then our earth but even then I doubt the Naruto planet is as big as the one piece which high ball has been calculated to be solar system in size but the more accepted scaling are star size….
@@thevipivo6200 For example, from the War Arc, there are scales with the Shinju as a comparison. The size of the Shinju can be calculated fairly well, which in turn can be used to calculate various craters from the war arc and compare them to known landmarks. I've even seen scales with Genbu. And yes, you are on foot there, but the speed is enormous in an emergency, considering that it is on foot. Some cars can't drive that fast and then even across the country. This sort of walking is only if the destination is not far away and there is no hurry. In addition, for larger distances, the whole route is never shown, if the route is shown at all, then only in sections. Like in Game of Thrones, where in the late seasons, journeys that previously lasted a full season are accomplished in under one episode. Ultimately, both are closer to each other than you think, with Naruto there are only a few scales in this area because it wasn't that modern back then. With One Piece there is all the more, but there are also all the more that are just plain wrong. For example, if you scale a map where Little Garden and Dressrosa are nearly as big as Arabasta, it's far from true to scale. Then either Little Garden and Dressrosa are way too big, or Arabasta way too small. And to be perfectly honest, there are inconsistencies in both universes. With the size of the Naruto world, Team Kakashi could never have reached Sunagakure in 3 days. Luffy, on the other hand, is FTL scaled in One Piece, but even on Wano, he still takes animals for transportation, even when it's serious.
@@Fatalis_Legend so how big do you have the Naruto world
@@thevipivo6200 Between 102000-127000 kilometers in diameter. The map you've always seen in the Naruto manga is just a part of the planet that doesn't even cover a full hemisphere. There are scales that are significantly smaller, but they are far too small because they were calculated using the old map and not the images from space. Some of the scales with Genbu were even larger, but you don't know if everything was really to scale.
Madara and the tailed beasts, were the only ones I mainly cared for in that universe. Even then, mainly Madara. I love everything about Onepiece tho.
7:00 Maybe its actually created world if you read boruto Chapter 79 panel 40 momoshiki said
I’d give white beard ftl+-mftl because kizaru in egg head island blitzed a luffy in gear 4th snake man which can get to 300x faster then light if not more but this is 2 years after marine ford but I don’t doubt this kizaru was relative to an egg head kizaru
Generally One Piece verse is faster by far and a lot of those statements in Naruto are in fact Hyperbolic while One Piece literally does just about every speed feat on panel consistently. Even if Naruto verse scaled higher in DC, speed is One Pieces game
madara wins ofc hes just stronger faster and smarter
Yes as a one piece fan who started as a Naruto fan I do agree that old man white beard gets clapped by Madara
Edo solos the verse
@@ChangerofWays-Tzeentch too early to say that but current yes I agree
@@thuto9490 dude edo Madara is mftl+++++ planetary+ to star level unless one piece gets a major power increase it is not competing
@@ChangerofWays-Tzeentch star level thats an over exagiration ngl. Bro Edo Madara is Planetary to large planetery at best. I dont wanna get into an argument with another Naruto fan whos a dick rider of the show to a point where they over estimate the characters just because they wanna make them stronger than they actually are. Plus we haven't met all the enthisists of the one piece verse yet so relax.
@@thuto9490 base 50% Kurama can destroy the Naruto planet which is easily star in size given the fact that it takes two to four days for someone doing FTL+++ speeds to go from capital to capital of neighboring countries while one piece planet sizes of anything greater than 12 times earth have all been debunked, so saying edo Madara who is far stronger than full Kurama(tails are just increases in chakra right and the power difference is clearly exponential as Kurama can fight off every Bijuu even with half his chakra make sense so logically each percentage of chakra of Kurama would increase his power exponentially)
Both Itachi and Ten tails Madara can put other beings without chakra in a genjutsu, anyway any version of Madara would solo WB except for MS Madara
Nope, only Juubi Madara
Madara clears all 3 Round No - Low diff
I don’t agree with this i don’t want to type a lot so if anyone wants my calks I got it but white beard in all the 3 fights would have a big speed and power advantage madara would get hax but some of his hax wouldn’t work against white beard so I’n general white beard has much better stats and even with hax white beard has so much he can do with haki that would counter some of madaras things
Yes I don't like Naruto btw
@@k.mpla-mihoc9631 I got you if you want me to explain to you why I think this just tell me whatever you need you want speed calcs for white beard and madara or ap calcs or interaction with hax between them just tell me but I will have to write a lot and get proof so tell me and I will but if you not a power scaler I’m not going to waist like a hour of my raise trying to explain something
so in conclusion madara wins 3/3
We already know six paths is too much
What does (actual)Prime Madara have over Prime WB, no genjutsu will work, he is outstatted massively, none of his attacks are getting passed suppressed Gura attacks let alone the unsuppressed ones Teach accidentally uses. Susanoo is getting ripped apart, too many AOE attacks for clones, WB only weakness is sea water which Madara has no access to and wouldn’t even know to use. This is not a debate unless you think Vegito is Goku’s strongest form, if that’s the case then sure let him merge with an Alien Beast and he’ll stomp. 🤫
I’m sorry man but WB is way faster than any Naruto character you’re not putting into consideration the fact that before time skip a very weakened Zoro was dodgy light attacks and moving closer to kuma and even sick WB easily high scale from that it’s not even close Naruto character can’t compare to op when it comes to speed durability, endurance, physical strength and only the highest of characters can compare to ap and tbh since one piece planet is way bigger than Naruto anybody in op who is multi continental which there is a lot would be planetary in Naruto or our world Naruto only have the haxs well not really but madara has the hax lets put it that way
Naruto Earth is 4x Larger than the real earth. OP Earth is 2x larger than the real earth. Naruto/Boruto characters simply out scales OP characters. A Random Shinobi Fodder is already Continental at Full Power. Kid Naruto already dodged a light speed attack since the first episodes of Naruto. Also, White beard is not faster than any Naruto/Boruto characters.
@@JaguarKing-xn3cx lmaoo sure buddy whatever u say
@onemansplan6578 cope with the fact that madara solos one piece
@@jakilee6163 u Naruto fan really are the dumbest of all fans base I can’t believe I was one of u honestly I’m disappointed in myself Madara ain’t shit and aizen before blood war are solos
Uk there are also more than 1 ftl fts for naruto characters and madara massively upscale from them right. I give durability to OP. strength could go either way since chakra is used to boost strength. Honestly Naruto fans and OP fans should be like the creators of their respective verses. Kishimoto and Oda are very good friends
Bro one piece planent is big as star. Doesnt even matter if it dont follow the laws of physics because i liltlery fantasy like they
Meanwhile, the whole world suffers due to the destruction of one middle island... At the same time, battles calmly take place in Naruto, in which every second attack destroys mountains, and all the others are so powerful that it is sometimes necessary to zoom in several times in a row to accommodate the explosions
He doesn't have chakara!
it doesn't matter. sharringan genjutsu doesn't effect chakra.
Just here to let all idiots know dat Edward destroys Madara😪