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I completely overlooked the AoE scaling since they changed the metric. I think the Quality will allow us to drop AoE for efficacy so we won't lose as much damage as I thought initially. I think the bigger concern for me is when I drop +1 gem amulet, weapon, unveil +2 gloves, vaal caress etc, I won't get as excited anymore since it's pretty much just going to be used for fire trap. ssf btw
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how the hell can you get the exact skill you want in SSF unless youre spamming lab? i mean,lab is freaking tedious to begin with,and now,you need to do it over and over again just to get specific gem that you want.
LOL!
@@CyrusBlack404 no at lvl 16 you get about 200 instead of 140dps, so about 150% more damage, he just canceled that 35% from sides (compare the flat to the bonus 35% you get)
Hey captain, just a quick note if you haven't actually tried it before: Simplex amulet cannot be alt spammed. The minus mods eat the FIRST 2 (now 3), not the last ones. You can only craft it with the equivalent of chaos.
You can't even alt-spam for a single suffix?
@@OMGclueless Nope. You will get zero mods if you try to alt spam.
@@garhong9125
makes sense.
most probably,-2 Prefix Modifier allowed means automatically removes the prefix and suffix that got - by alt spamming,hence why chaos spamming works because it has the chance to get 3 pref and 3 suff
If only that was the only part he overlooked and got wrong. His early game damage talks about only the base damage vs percentage of new version. Currently, we have base damage and percent damage. I know different % but it shows some overlooked aspects or a disingenuous argument to support original utterance. Next he is only addressing the high end there are plenty of us mid tier players that 15k life is not easily attainable.
Exactly
Recorded this when I was pretty tired late last night and forgot to also mention opportunity cost is 100% a factor to consider, with +1 levels being less important prioritizing a higher dot multi damage sceptre is possible and could yield higher damager than before, craft cost for +lvls isn't cheap and you can very reasonably prioritize suffixes on weapon for fire dot multi/dot multi/burn damage then prefixes such as high %fire/%dam over time bench.
I know currently the gem level low hp is currently the popular way to build RF, but I would heavily recommend looking over giga chad hp/es scaling approaches as they received a massive buff with this change and can yield quite strong results.
regardless just wanted to make this video as some encouragement for my rf homies, not trying to start some sort of argument but just shed some light on the positives
Also, transfigured gems could be something completely different from what we could expect in terms of stats and spell behaviour in general. We have to wait release to make the final verdict on this subject. But something is telling me that this change has been taken good care from ggg
Level 1 RF calcs are off since you forgot to add the 35% life scaling to the old gem.
@@theCybertier 70% of 250 is also absolutely not 97, so it's a comparison between the old added damage and the new 35% extra.
+1 to gems in sceptres was already a trap for RF builds most of the time anyways
you still need lvl for fire trap tho, no ?
I hate this change. Sure you can work around it, but as a league starter RF got a pretty sizeable nerf.
Would have much preferred them only giving flat damage for the normal version and this cool life scaling option for the transfigured one
Nah seems better imo, it’s life based as it should have been. The niche is what you want.
Are you still doing a vid on energy blade leaguestarter?? I was hoping to play it!
Waiting for this
Also got some minor buff early on (5% more es qual)
pohx canceled his trip to thailand
my instant thought was 1. holy shit hp/es stacking will be insane for it. 2. lance will have a field day with this 3. as a starter....its pretty gutted.
Lance already built a character based on scaling for the .35% HP/ES scaling the gem had already. So this isn't new territory for him. It just means all of his builds became more powerful. So of course he would love it. I mean, why wouldn't you in the situations were reversed? If you were playing it off-meta and expensive build and then a patch change provides this huge gift into your lap? Of course you would love it. I mean... common sense. Most people didn't play RF that way he did.
@@SWTORDREKKIN who are you trying to convince xD calm down..we already agree
edit: the writing was confusing for me, i thought he compares both values already :D
Sorry if I’m misunderstanding, but why is 35% of 250 = 48.75, shouldn’t it be 87.5? I don’t know how righteous fire works too well so let me know what the calcs are
And 70% of 250 would be 175
-> old lvl 1 would be base dps of 39+ 87.5 = 126.5
-> new lvl 1 would be 250*0.7 = 175
so 50 dmg buff at level 1
@@stymlice2332 You just change to calcs to what I was saying lol. I was asking why you said 39 + 48.75. I don't know where the 48.75 comes from.
Captainlance makes the same mistake for some reason.
I wonder how captainlance, a player who makes an ivory tower/rathpith build every league which stacks a bunch of life and es, is gonna feel about the RF change xdd . Great video and breakdown
I think you have a bad assumption here. Removing base damage removes it from being as useful on low investment. The base damage dot catches up real fast with how slowly characters naturally get high life and es. This base quality gem is really clunky to build for. We are talking a 30-50 chaos build versus a 300-500 divine build for similar power levels. players need too many perfect rolls for this near quality to be good on its on. It might be better as a spell steroid, but most if not all rf builds didn't stack life, they stacked +levels and damage multipliers. Also ain't no way your finding a good simplex amulet especailly early on.. IN my opinion this base quality is for a second or third build, not a starter. At the level of investment needed to make this pop off, might as well armour stack, int stack, or accuracy stack for better results.
if i wanted to do speed to 2x voidstones on rf day 1 with toon that can tank at least 1 exarch ball. what wiukd i go?
i loved jug, but with changes i am not sure on the damage maths with my pea brain, but im not sure about the other classes tankyness
About the Simplex: -2 prefix and -1 Suffix means you can have 0 total mods on it as a Magic Item so alt spamming is out of the question
Will be a pain to craft
I think the biggest upset about the changes to RF is that it is one of the widest used and new-player friendly starter builds and there have been so many changes that it's hard to determine whether it still fits in that category.
That's probably why its being changed. People aren't learning the game. They are learning how to barely get by with RF. And no, it absolutely will not fit into that category, at least not as a new player. This goes back to RF's roots as being an post-league start build. It will be expensive, it will take some work, but it will be ENORMOUSLY rewarding once you can get it to work. Though RF life is probably dead and RF ES will be the way to go. Its also gotten to be an issue where RF is ungodly dominant early league and very little else is being used by the player base. Hopefully this will spread some stuff out.
@@goldenhate6649only that they will now play srs guardian and get carried by the sentinel of radiance as low effort build
@@goldenhate6649 Their priorities are strange though. I know the game's identity is supposed to be "the hardcore ARPG™", but when your endgame playerbase consists entirely of only 3 variations of a bow build and one weird league specific niche build and your early game has the 1 outlier which is RF, it makes more sense to nerf the former, and yet they (only) nerfed one unique item used in almost all bow builds, and they even buffed the bow skill gems themselves. Reality is that GGG simply panders to the people who play 16 hours a day, and that's fine by me, but expect fewer people to play the game then.
@@goldenhate6649 RF is a good build to learn the game because it gets people to actually keep playing the game. As far as mechanics are concerned I'd say RF teaches you much better mechanics too. The only thing an LA build teaches you about PoE is that you need to scale so much damage and clear that nothing can ever touch you - it doesn't help you learn how the game works.
The only barrier to entry to learning PoE is how much you want to try to learn PoE. The build you choose to play, the league you play it in, etc. are insignificant. If you want to learn to craft your build doesn't matter. If you want to learn boss fights your build doesn't matter (so long as you don't accidentally one shot them). If you want to learn any sort of farming strat your build doesn't matter.
strongly disagree what you said. this really a big nerf, the build u say all is over 200D budget, that is not normal player that can affort
Lance looking like a young Bernie Sanders with that sheer passion and fire he's talking with. He's convinced me RF is a buff.
If you are investing in life then you aren't investing as much into + fire gems, which means your fire trap will also do less damage. Unless you have really good gear I think this is objectively a nerf and you'll start feeling it around yellow - red maps.
It's a nerf but not a massive one, also we still don't know if theres a trasnfigured Righteous Fire gem that adds base damage on the quality or something else.
@@DoPtRiGGa the niggest nerf is to the cost of the build
I like how you addressed these changes, captain. Maybe, as a league starter, RF got the short end of the stick with this patch. But it seems very cool how the skill now will scale better with stacking builds. Also , the massive AOE buff sounds very good. The only genuine concern I heard people mentioning is the fact your RF damage will be considerable worse once you reach early red maps, and if the AOE buff is not enough to compensate, then you will just constantly die surrounded by mobs.
infernal cry for fat packs
Let’s not forget that the skill are barely tested. GGG could nerf or buff the skill halfway troughs the league. After all league are technically beta test for the core game.
@@marc789 GGG very rarely nerf or buff skills mid league, those only happen in very extreme cases, and usually only with completely new gems, not simple numerical changes of already existing gems.
Not saying its impossible, just that its extremely rare.
5:15 Meme potential. Lance did a quick time event hitting the word buff
Hey Cap, can you make a video of spellblade buffs and you league start plan please. Thanks
What is the Scion gigarf RF build?
6:07 as many have mentioned alt spamming is a nono on simplex, in ssf it will be near impossible to craft this, and even in trade its EXPENSIVE
For SSF the main issue is the crystallised lifeforce I think (may need several depending on luck)
Why would alt spamming to be a no no in ssf?
@@andreinstr22 since it would be chaos spamming in ssf, which is not very viable. You simply cannot alt spam new simplex, it will always give you empty blue amulet
@@andreinstr22the magic simplex amulet will have 0 prefix and 0 suffix so you can't alt spam it. The only way you can fish for a specific affix is chaos spam on a rare simplex, which is way too costly in SSF.
@@stymlice2332 interesting info, but still very doable, i think i have over 2k chaos at one point this league in hcssf.
CaptainLance, are you recording videos from the crapper now because it's getting too cold in your old hideout?
Blink twice if you are forcibly locked up in a mental hospital and forced to play RF.
Dude's basically the weird scientist of Path of Exile
They will probably make a transfigured RF that has just flat damage per level and no life scaling
My Original Leugstarter got Messed up im thinking about blood magic low life RF or just gigachad ES RF
Captain ! What about chieftain's RF? I do try this on the upcoming season by watching your video.
You think its still viable to play RF on ruthless SSF as league starter? I always liked to play it first but i dont think its gonna be fast to get that ammy or the good uniques for RF, nor % max life gear, at least not in the early/mid game on ruthless. Any suggestion for ssf ruthless builds? i played srs guardian last league but that absolution megazord was so boring that i dont intend to play it this league
Do you think this will enable occultist RF again? I miss the old Aila RF build
Saying that Vaal Rf gives more benefit is somewhat of a lie. For it to give you a benefit you would want it to be up 100% of the time. It is not. The fact is that the scaling of the gem is wayyyyy harder now and will becomes 100x more expensive than it ever was. Which will make most people search for other league starters. It might be good at the start of a league but it will die out really fast shortly after. Aspecially when newer gems gets figured out and new builds gets put together. The crafting side of sceptres and such wasnt even close to the cost it will be now since you cant gurantee a t1 fire damage% prefix. Where before you could gurantee a +1 fire skill gems. All that said. To me it seems like Rf is dead again and i will go another route this league. Doesnt mean everyone else should tho :) Wish you luck in building around the gem :)
More MS Paint explainers. Cheers Lance!
I'm just lost, I've never played the full life or energy version , Scion rf it's viable to league start ?
I love how you and pohx are on complete opposite sides on how you feel about the rf changes
It’s very healthy for the game to have two perspectives like this
Great job on the video, super hyped on the new league let’s fucking go
PoE is so dense a nuanced a game that not only can you have two opposing viewpoints, they can also both be right. think this is the case here but we'll have to see.
Thank you boys out there dedicating your time to RF. Love pohx’s and your works. Keep it up!
For CaptainLance9 this is a buff *cough cough* 20K EHP. For everyone else who league starts it, this is a nerf. Not rocket science to say that increased EHP based scaling makes it stronger when you use higher EHP. Still doesn't make things any better for the normal RF league starters. Especially those who were running aegis and melding... Most of them had around 3.5 - 4k hp and maybe 1k ES. Is the skill completely dead? No, it's not. Is it going to be played completely differently from before? Yes, yes it is. That's the reason people are freaking out. GGG just kicked a league-start build baby.
I feel like we need to work on our terminology as a community. Your life and es pool is not EHP. The E stand for effective. Your max hit taken in pob is ehp by definition. Your life/es pool is just your hp or real hp.
is RF ignite chieftain still possible as a good league start with the changes?
i played it during the Sentinel/Kalandra league loosely following CaptainLance's build and really enjoyed the pops, but now i'm hesitant to give it a shot on a real league start....
iirc CL's version was stacking more life and such too so i'm hoping it's still ok?
I expected this exact reaction from you, never disappoint to deliver quality content
Hey, Captain! You mentioned Planning a hp stacking build. Can you combine your es stacking build with relic of the pact build for some crazy hp/damage?
Just a question and yes a stupid one but will there be a video or is there a video that explains how to league start this type of rf with either insane es or life scaling that isn't from 2014 or will we have to wait a little as the way it works will be changed for new league mechanics buffs/nerfs gear ect. i want to do rf this league and i want it to be damn tanky as due to an injury i only have 1 hand usable to me for now but dont know how effective life/es scaling rf is when considering a league start.
I got lost somewhere, new RF has 70% of life/es as dmg, at level 20? Or all the way through 1-20? Do we not even level it anymore? Or is it 35% at 1, and 70% at 20?
Also where is the 97.5 dmg from? 250*.35 is 87.5? whatd i miss
I never got super endgame on my RF chars so i'm no expert, but i felt that single target was the weak point of it. This patch really didn't help that, and for that reason i was a bit skeptical, but if Lance says it's fine ill trust that.
Can't wait on the verdict of the Jedi Inquisitor build. Looks great i think! Tinctures look promising?
Im wondering if they'll even apply to the energyblade, and if they do apply, then will the buff effects even apply to the spells? Cause it's worded like it only affects weapon attacks. Def hope everything just works tho, itd suck if it didnt work with spells.
@@Diehardgamer2001 The energy blade is a weapon, why wouldn't it apply? I think you're correct in that the way it's worded, tinctures likely won't apply to spells.
Until Lance writes you a league start build guide, I'd be very skeptical. GL though
@Billy4321able maybe a return of the rf trickster he made a while back?👀 would love to see it as it was the first rf character i did, but most likely gonna be another gigaRF inquis
I hope it's good because it looks like we'll basically have sanctified relics back and want instant shouts without pathing to it and that thing that gives me loot from corpses and opens chests.
Sounds very cool! hope you do a build guide for this :).
calculate hp+es for damage to be same as 30 lvl rf /fire trap than we talk
Umm who's doing the math, I want to know.
So how would crimson power interact with ivory tower. Would extra energy shield from reserved life transform into more life? Or is it just flat energy shield on the armour?
What about SSF? OG RF was quite feasible and comfortable in SSF (and even in ruthless if you find a purity of fire, I did it last league).
What do you think changed for SSF? It got easier to get the good RF gear now, since all you need is ES/Life essences. How did you get +gem level gear + empower in SSF? Also looking at most "high end" builds, they try to go for 90% all res. Which is quite the investment. With life/es stacking you don't really have too, and you get as good if not better survivability.
Also this is the OG RF. This is how RF was for years, before they reworked it with flat damage.
@@pewpin1039you must have never played SSF. To get the high health levels your sacrificing other stats. It is very gutted for SSF.
@@pewpin1039look at gigachadancestors character in ssf. All +1, ssf. It’s pretty easy. 6 link helmet.
@@BoredFilthyPig And to get dot multi +1 weapons, + level amulet, aegis, melding 90 all res, you sacrificed nothing? The game is literally built around sacrificing one thing for another, this is just sacrificing what you got before to get more life/es.
I agree that its probably not a comfy league starter anymore, but people are blowing this up to "RF is useless now, it does no damage, just delete the gem, dumpster" when its just needing to be built different. You can still play it in SSF, its just not a first character, play bonezone for a week, then you have plenty of essences saved up, maybe you even found an ivory tower or a doryani jewel, if not you can still go trickster.
Would you still pick the chieftain ascendancy note as a scion es rf after the changes? If not what would you pick instead?
LVL 1 RF --> 39dps + 250 life*0.35 = 126.5 dmg
70% out of 250 life = 175 dmg
This gives us an increase of 175-126.5=48.5dmg on level 1
..right? Or am I missing something?
Looking for guidance.
Leveling trees would be nice. :P . And thx for the infos!
Is there a good and recent RF trikster build guide/video ? Because all I can find is 1 year plus old ...
What would be awesome is the primalist ascendancy may allow a non-inquisitor to get the life regen apply to es.
Is it safe to say jugg rf builds are dead?
Do we know that GGG is not removing the AOE scaling from levels !? Found nothing about that while searching
We don't know, but if they did, it would be pretty stupid to have levels to the gem, right? I mean, what else could you possible gain by leveling the gem something else doesn't increase?
Sooooooo....... It sounds like just the Older version of rf from when people were scaling it off of health instead of gem levels before they heard that ggg would change RF and everyone complained that RF was dead because the scaling was bad for their old build then learned that RF was not dead if they just changed the build a little.
Anyone got a POB for what the 20k ES trickster would look like?
And at what point can i even use RF? Seems kinda hard without the fire mastery -.-
how are you doing +2 ammy with simplex when it’s -2 prefixes?? both + are prefixes, u are now allowed 1 prefix on the ammy. also for dot multi you cannot alt spam since -2 prefixes now means it has to be rare, so chaos spam to dot multi, yolo annul to keep it, and then best bet hunter’s exalt and cope for t1 fire multi and then let’s say u put suffixes cannot be changed and aug fire, now since u can’t block on prefixes, cannot even guarantee +1 fire let alone +1 all, so entire take including the simplex amulet is nonexistent
You are correct that you can't alt spam it. However, by +2 gems, he means getting +1 fire from augmenting, which is doubled to +2 from the 100% explicit values on the new simplex.
fuck yes we are just back at the good old times scaling + free aoe AWESOME here i am BIG BOY GUARDIAN BACK IN BUSINESS
Any updates coming on the spellblade inquis starter?
ayo captain can we get Bait or No Bait affliction edition
People often ignore that AoE itself is an effective DPS increase for RF as the extra range provides more damage uptime especially when mapping, which is basically the main utility of RF anyway.
More.defensive as well since you can dodge and still be doing damage
I predict bodyswap with new quality to be an excellent build combo. Both build around life scaling now.
I measured it on my screen and can confirm that my circle is at least 0.5m big
"New Righteous Fire Good" yes but on the other hand it doesn't support Coruscating Elixir through the Warden tree... :D
I am very curious of rathpit globe life stacking with new cannibalized faith using divine ire and convert to lighting.
The simplex amulet for my EA totem, oh my
might be missing something but what changes the most to me is : since scaling RF damage is not based on gem level, you will loose on single target by only pushing on life / ES, where previously you buffed RF AND single target ( fire trap ) with gem level at the same time.
So now you need to also consider RF as your main damage output, regardless of mapping vs single target
Still, I agree regarding the scaling part, this is gonna be much more interesting to build as a character
If you go gigachad hp stack you can just have a rathpith globe to scale an additional skill for single target damage.
Yea, because before you got + gem levels for free, and now after the change there is literally nothing to replace gem levels with. Oh wait, you can still stack gem levels if you want for fire trap, they also now scale flame dash dot dmg with spell damage (doon). Why not also mention that you don't need much mitigation for the same survivability if you stack hp/es. A 90% all res character with 4k life is a loooot of defence investment (for the 90% all res), its also just as survivable as a 80% all res character with 8k life/es. And 80% all res is infinitely easier to get compared 90% all res.
People often forget that descent sticks with dot multi+1 lvl at least is not what you can expect on the league start, considering that people bringing up argument that there is no way to get Es/Life stacking items early on which they forget is applied to +1 level items/20 lvl gems as well - you're weak otherwise, its just the deal about execution of this new scaling, we'll see.
People have a trend to overreacting early on to then see that its actually good or descent at least.
RF paired with Ashes is gonna be mental
Why would you go +2 Fire gems on simplex amulet? On the new RF Gem that would be like 4% more damage? Am i missing something?
its for fire trap
if Pohx says its a nerf then its a nerf
I don't think Lance is correct on this, or rather, I think his method of building RF isn't what most people want now is it really optimal for build diversity. Remember, each point into life/es now is going to scale based solely on combined HP/ES. So your tree is going to try and hit as many life nodes as possible, which means you are not going to pick up damage nodes, and you probably are not going to invest much in increased AoE, since those node would require you to give up a lot of "increased life" nodes. Now, you may say the base gem solves that with .3 more radius @ 20qual. But you lost your helmet enchant which could have increased the AoE radius for RF. You also likely won't be going clusters or clusters based on fire damage, so your increased AoE nodes will be lost too. Essentially, if you scale based entirely off life/es that means you are scaling base damage and the trade-off is going to be lower multipliers on that based damage since life nodes compete with damage nodes. I am not saying this is not viable, I am simply saying I vehemently disagree with Lance and I don't like being locked into such constraints. Stacking life really limits freedom to use different gear. It removes many uniques as so many exist with no life. will you use legacy of fury for clear? Probably not, because there is NO life on those boots. Think you can solve that with Utula's Hunger? Think again, as many nice uniques have a life roll on them and ANY life roll will disable that chest piece. Gearing choices just became more limited with this gem. I just hope we can transmogrify this gem back to how it was.
Life nodes in templar are right next to aoe nodes, no travel needed, life nodes in witch are right next to fire nodes, no need to travel, life and es nodes in witch are right next to aoe, no need to travel, the helm enchant gives less aoe than the radius change gives you now, especially if you're scaling area now because you're scaling from a higher base radius.
My point is, just because your base damage comes from life/es, you'll still want multipliers and increases on that damage, its no use having high base damage if you have no increases on that damage, so you will absolutely still pick up multi nodes, probably also get clusters.
Also if we're talking endgame, it wont be life based, it'll be 80% es scaling, its just way more efficient.
Thematically I Think it is cool but most importantly i love big aoe rf, so Ithink im gonna try and make a meme version for this with diallas and a ashes.
With hopefully good enough dmg to clear maps, or Atleast to use a delivery device for explodes that ignite chain.
I can see lifestacking Elementalist being still very competitive with the new RF, if you are willing to invest on quality with Golem
Golems are not getting increased buff effect based on the quality, and if you manage to get all golem nodes + enhance, that can actually give pretty nutty sustain
It's actually not that great since you already get so much golem buff effect. It's only about 10% more life regen from the golem if you use enhance 4.
@@TheEternalVortex42 throw in mageblood + life regen ultility flask mod and 70 - 95% increased effect.
bro spent all night disecting this 😂
In my oppinion, the damage early is comparable, but the new version is harder to sustain as the flat regen mastery is not so powerful anymore as for the low life version. However, the scaling of the new version is insane and should be way better at higher investment as before.
So its going to suck in red maps unless you can afford some 30 div simplex amulet that every dot build will be trying to buy
So what we learned is the meter metric literally diesnt mean shit to most people at first glance
You are ignoring that the old RF does 35% of life so in your early game discussion, it does a lot more than 39dps. Based on your example the old did 126.5 to the new 97.5. That being said your life projections are low for sure.
It is a nerf across the board until you get to around 8k+ net life/ES
Im glad you made this video because i assumed with pohx's video that my rf leaguestart was dead but i leaguestarted pyroclast into hexblast mines on a lifestacker last league. No problems with league starting life stacker for me and rf was the planned skill because 1 handed gameplay helps save my wrists and fingers.
As pohx said in his video, when you get to mid game you will have a harder time. Not early or at very end game.
@pettsson1143 I find definitions of early, mid, late to be ambiguous at best but to me it seems early game in that situation was like the first half of campaign and the mid game was white yellow maps and late game was multiple div invested. There are plenty of skills that fit that bill that people would never league start
how much will an RF build COST though?
I actually tried building a life+endurance charge stacking jugg for pure RF. It was ok but the 20 divine helmet pretty much carried the entire build. The budget was very high, i played it a bit and moved on. This league i will probably try it again. Go Kaoms Heart, life on every piece of gear. Roll chieftain instead of jugg because...well because i want the fire guy to do the fire thing, nothing else really. Will do some research on proper life stacking now and see what i can do. Any advice would be appreciated 👍
Curious how far that carried single target. Biggest issue with RF has always been single target and needing all the relatively expensive+1 gem levels everywhere you could afford to not have to do boss mechanics. RF by itself always sucked even on map bosses.
@@ArnoldMejia my version has no other skills so RF was the only one doing damage. As for how good it was, I used to go to beyond nodes in delve, wait for boss to appear leave the character afk and go for a smoke and cup of tea, when I come back he was almost always dead
honestly with the new ascendancy cheiftain might be very good, chieftain offers very nice defensive utility, and using the sockets on the new ascendancy you could for sure make it very strong
I think this is because you almost always play RF as a one skill build, when most of the community play it as a two skill build, but anyway even tho it's not a buff to the Pohx playstyle, it's not a build broken situation, at worst you scale mainly with fire trap, let go some of the RF damage and can't zoom thru delirum map anymore , but that's fine, RF is due for a nerf anyway. And the chieftain explosion ability you can get from forbidden jewels, the new non-flask flask and charms, might make it even.
And from the info we get by now, it look like at least to me the current version of RF can be easily obtained from normal lab (you have to get something from normal lab, and in the vid the gem swap is the first option), which is about around level 30-35, so you start RF a bit later, nothing really changes.
it's just going back to the old old RF where it didn't have flat damage at all
REEEE, Elementalist rf is my fave build, i min maxed one last league with MB D:
5:10 this is exactly what i was thinking when i saw this ammy. you go for +1 as the prefix and then go dot multi and either chaos/fire dot multi as suffixes
you can only chaos spam it.
it will be really expensive craft
yep alterations dont work on it, in a nut shell this is mainly a SSF nef
Is there a better single target skill now than fire trap? RF actually looks interesting to build especially out of Trickster.
if there's a league to test new skills this is probably it!
level 1 you had 39+ 35% of 250 -> 126.5 dmg
Now 175 base DMG.
RF leveling could be still alive finally.
Ty on commentary for pointing my mistake
Since when is 70% of 250 97.5
@@punapartaman you are so true, I've taken the given value in video without making maths by myself... Shame on me, I edit that
for those normal players among us who don' have the hours, and only find 1 or 2 annuls per league, never had an ivory tower, never found a relevant simplex, I'm sure your approach is great with heavy investment, but what build isnt!?. That was not RF's forte. It used to be a great budget / casual option. not to mention easier on the wrists!. I don't think RF is viable for non vets / low budget / time anymore.
The new ring, The untouched soul, together with oth of the maji might might add a ton of life to the build, if you can scarifies using gems in various places. Atleast might be very interesting early on. (ofc depend how rare the ring will be)
Not a big rf player but with theoretically higher dot multi does thinglike scorching ray/searing bond become tempting single target or is fire trap still the op op
Life Stacker RF + Reap fire convert might be on the table.
wowowowow that sounds interesting, only problem is that i think the DoT from reap doesnt convert right? or am i wrong? if it doesnt then scaling multi will be very inefficient and youd have to go all in on gem levels (which leads to the same problem with + gem level scaling being pretty useless for rf now) and & fire dmg
@@theswamps6589 Yeah it wouldn't be a DOT build. Stack Fire damage and Life more than FireDotMulti. I'm talking like 15k + life ranges and with the new node that adds physical damage for your life probably going to be pretty bonkers.
Its all for endgame
So there will not be any other difference between level 1 RF and level 20 except radius? They could add like burning damage per level at least so there is reason to corrupt gem to level 21.
there is the bonus more spell damage that scales with level
@@helyioz3153 And RF do not scale with it XD
Please consider the gem level on the weapon , Maze gem change.
Was looking forward to new league playing SSF RF Chieftan in Ruthless. Feel screwed over.
your input seems well documented though im not handy with RF builds, I do appreciate you going through the changes that way, are you planning or have input on your hex/mines/pyroclast league starter in the works by chance ? Cheers sir
You didn't (or not metioned at least) take to consideration are all those "more interesting" ways to build with RF still SSF-viable. Now it looks like it's good starter for camping, then drops till you dont some specific uniques. So yeah - changes didnt kill RF but still also I dont like that RF probably will go to some kind of niche builds
I'd love to see elementalist with oath of maji PoB, or at least the core items/idea/tree to go for when trying to do it, I really wanna play ele rf but don't know how to do a nice tree and sustain rf dmg with ES.
I have not watched the video yet but a transfigured version of the gem might have less life scaling and more base damage on it and give more options on how to play RF. Just gonna have to wait and see what the other versions of the gem do
I know ppl keep hoping for this but I really hope the transfigured gems do something new and cool not just making it how its always been.
And we still dont have info for the Trasfigured Gems, which could very well still give you that old option via a lab run which u was gonna do anyways atleast 4x lol Also I dont like labs either but Labs on an RF character are ezpz. Wanted to point out that maybe instead of Fire Trap we can look at Divine Ire cause it got what appears to be a huge buff, In fact due to these new Transfigured gems we might have better options than Ole Fire Trap.
With the increased aoe buff do you think conc effect will be better than inc aoe?
For bosses sure, but it already is a better choice for that. For regular content I'm sure you will have enough damage and the QOL of Inc aoe will probably feel better
whew, thought phox peeps would have to play something else after tasting all their tears