Honestly the ending where you take yourself out is a way better end than the devil ending. Even if it doesn't really count as an official ending to some, I'd still rather take it into my own hands than be owned in mind, body, and soul by Arasaka. Devil ending is undoubtedly the worst by every standard
The self-termination ending is a guarantee that not even dead can Anders have your engram. The fact that SOMEHOW Arasaka can get a partial engram of Jackie if you send his body to the wrong place is scary enough. The guy has been dead for hours by the time Arasaka yoinks it. Brain activity has supposedly ended long ago. Yet they can get something with Soulkiller
I love how dreadful and bleak the devil ending is. Having terminal cyber cancer is pretty depressing, but the devil ending shows that things can always get worse.
There's also the part where Takemura blatantly lies to you when he visits you in the clinic in space to have you sign the contract. He has a line early in the conversation telling V that Hanako already has forgotten about V. But later on in the conversation, he says that it was Hanako that sent him to visit V, to discuss an alternative - the contract. Also, one line in The Devil tarot card says "The Devil lures unsuspecting souls into traps, but always grants them a choice". Arasaka does give you the choice between signing the contract or living out the remainder of your days in Night City. With that said, while I agree that it's the worst ending. To me, it's my head cannon, and is the best ending. That's because it's my most authentic ending since I selected the choices that I would have had it been the real me playing the game. And it really got me emotional in the end. All throughout the journey to save my life, Misty's words of "as long as you're alive, there's hope" was always in my mind, and that lead me to The Devil ending because I just really wanted to survive. But that ended up breaking the hearts of Misty herself and Johnny.
The Devil ending is you taking the easy way out in a way in which you lose your soul like a fool you go back on your dreams and stop fighting the system and it wins
I always assumed the Moon meant Hanako, but maybe it's actuallt Hellman then. 🤔 And damn, if you go out of your way to save Takamura he turns around to trick you into signing your soul away. I never actually read the contract, just denied it because Arasaka is evil. Maybe I'll just let Goro and Oda lie together from now on. At least that way we don't have to hear him bitching and moaning 2 years later.
Yeah, I was hopeful on my first playthrough of the game that Takemura would have a change of heart about Arasaka when they screwed him at the start and tried to kill him. But I think it shows as you talk to him more that he's too loyal for his own good and will do everything to please his master. Of course it was smart of them to send Takemura if he's alive to speak to V since V trusts him more than Hellman. But it shows he's no better than any of them that he's tricking V, especially after saving his life.
I got the devil ending on my first playthrough, and I was highly skeptical of being stored in mikoshi. I read the contract and it gave me bad vibes so I ultimately refused, I never made the connection that you made that if I were to accept that I'd be selling myself to Anders Hellman.
Took the words right outta my mouth. The best ending is still the one where he rides away with Panam. The canon ending is where Johnny takes over V though.
I think the ending on the rooftop is as tragic as it is because of how much doesn’t matter As you said, it’s probably not even a real ending because it has the least substance or interconnectedness the rest of the world That’s exactly what makes the suicide so tragic and simultaneously realistic
XD I don’t care what anyone says. I love the devil ending and stand by it! Screw the nomads. Screw Johnny. Especially screw the tower ending! My V has no one to put her faith into and has more luck with arasaka.
The tower and the devil ending are both sides of the same "coin" both give you a choice servitude or meaningless existence either on borrowed time or with no purpose at all NUSA and definitely Mayer's would not pass on the chance to get their own grim reaper Morgan backhand 2.0 hence I think they purposely installed a chrome dampener in to you there is already a chrome compressor in the game that ups your chrome tolerance by a nice chunk so why not a backwards version of that instead of increasing your chrome tolerance it shrinks it to a very small amount that way Mayer's ensures you will no longer be a threat even if you decide to run solo but when you decide to join them in the promise of gaining a purpose and your chrome back they get a lethal weapon that's happy to be a lethal weapon both are equally horrific you lose your friends connections hope purpose and for what a primal instinct to survive it's not the lesson Cyberpunk was trying to teach you all along and the lesson is very simple only in being selfless unironically good will you truly feel whole in helping Panam and the nomads in forgiving Johnny in helping your friends only in those moments you are you.
Lebron scream if you love Cyberpunk! Arasaka have always been the main bad corpos in a world filled with only bad corporations. I wish they showed a more grey view of Arasaka (Takamura isnt a good example because they tried to kill him as soon as he tried to go against Yorinobu).
Is helaman pulled out he didn't complete the scan pulled out halfway for the scan before was it completed if you noticed otherwise there's something he's not telling you he's being disingenuous so yes but I don't completely agree with this guy's assertion will cyberpunk 2077 the devil's end is one you go for
True, though I would argue in the Tower ending you at least still have your soul. In the Devil ending, you don't even have that left. I really dislike the Tower ending, but I think Devil might just be worse still.
I know nothing about the devil ending outside the obvious plot points because I just skipped around it after every other ending so I could have the achievement.
now the gears are turning and im wondering if in the tower ending the reason for the 2 year coma was so the NSA can spend all that time studying V.. ive only played that ending once and definitely didnt spend enough time to pick up on all the nuances... but its a great video idea!! 😀
I think the Devil ending is poetic if you played as a corpo. If you start as a street kid, the same holds true for the space ending and the “good” ending really fits the nomad choice. The Phantom Liberty ending is the one that sort of breaks you out and frees you from your past, though at a price. If you step back, there may be less desirable endings for the character, but each ending has its own poetry. I wonder if, originally, the three endings were fixed or more likely depending on which of the three beginnings you chose?
I've never thought of it that way but...yeah. I think it would make sense that Corpo V gets The Devil Ending, Nomad V gets the Aldecaldo Ending etc. But the choice to open up all endings was also good so we get to experience them all regardless of origin choice.
@@relaxedswede I actually think that the decision to not lock the endings down was the right way to go, too. Makes it about the choices instead of about the narrative.
I think it's good too that the endings are open. I've played twice as Corpo V (so far) and I like the idea of starting out as a regular corpo slave, then realising when Arasaka ditches you how wrong it was to work for them (and how unhealthy for V, too), then deciding for a different path and to never trust the big corpos again. It struck me immediately when you meet Hanako at Embers that the corpo responses are suddenly not just using your knowledge of the corpo world to add something to the conversation that V knows and might give them an edge, as I expected them to, but that you're bowing to Hanako and acting like you're still working for Arasaka and you're highly deferential of her. I never pick them, but it totally makes sense if you roleplay the kind of corpo V who might've really learned nothing through the story and goes back to where they come from: a corpo slave who'll end up even selling their soul to Arasaka. I like that we have choice over this because it would feel very meaningless to me to play as corpo V and it be predetermined that I'm never getting out of the corpo prison no matter what. Even if, I guess, that can be poetic and an interesting message in its own right.
@@123Suffering456 I hadn’t even thought about those responses. V choosing other responses ends up also jarring destiny, choosing a different mindset. I honestly think that a lot of the story writers at CDPR spent many a sleepless night passionately exploring the metaphysics involved. Bet that’s a story in and of itself.
I would agree but I’d also say the nusa ending is on the same lvl as the devil. A little off topic I was wondering if you noticed something in the game that the Blackwall has already been breached a more then 1 rogue ai has escaped under militech ?
Not on the same level. NUSA ending is better. More likely neutral and realistic. V have chance to walk off and live normal life, what's wrong with that? People who says that NUSA ending is the worst, must have mentality of sadist, since they like to see V dying or get killed with no hope for the future.
@@PEN1killerprove it tell me what happens after you leave with the aldicaldos? I want details since you know you ran your mouth let’s here what happens cause if you answer that you know more then cd project red an if you can’t answer that then maybe just maybe try not running your mouth. Plus anybody who thinks v loosing parts of themselves is good has never actually lost anything of value i actually can say that as not only have i lost the ability to use 1 arm but I’ve had to restart my life multiple times an your idea of good is actually shit from actual experience. Let’s hear how I’m wrong
That's fair. The NUSA ending is horrible too. And I doubt that Myers would be such a good choom that she would just let V leave without running some experiments of her own. In terms of Rogue AIs escaping into our world, yes. Quite a few. We know that one of the oldest to do so was Delamain but this breach was most likely done in Germany. My crackpot theory is that smaller rogue AIs are already in Dogtown. Infecting the minds of the drug addicts and homeless. I think I touched a little on it here: ruclips.net/video/E_yN8FllXGw/видео.html&ab_channel=RelaxedSwede
@@relaxedswedethat’s actually my line of thinking as well, although I have found most homeless that rant try to warn you but yes that’s my theory as well. Plus you have the Blackwall weapons and there’s some writing that says “ it’s a weapon for you but a back door to the future for them”, I don’t remember where i found it but that kinda put it together for me as well, which mix that with song so mi then that suggests that the nusa isn’t a bunch of good guys but in fact a global threat. An you right on the money again Myers is a sadistic psychopath that will not just let you walk, let’s say they did take the chip out what did she do? You’re ineffective as a fighter now, you still have all that info as to what took place you are 100% a threat to her. Unless there’s more to it, did she wipe your mind or do something else? Alex wanted out an if you side with reed to give song to the nsua then Alex dies funny that huh, she’s wants out an Myers says sure no worries, really that’s what these nsua sympathizers think? Nar Myers with reeds help zeroed Alex she knew too much an did too much to be kept alive, my bet is the vengeance drivin Myers did something to you an you will soon see what that is.
I think the Devil ending is the lore ending for the corporat path. If you're a nomad you go out with Panam. If you're a street kid, you're a pirate in space.
@@relaxedswede If CDPR gives you the same three choices for life paths, and brings back V, I think that would be awesome if that's how they drop you back into the story. I can't remember, but don't all of the endings give you 6 months to live, minus the Phantom Liberty ones. I don't count those, because the only "lore friendly" path is sending So Mi to the moon that or killing her. Letting Johnny have your body, doesn't really fit with his arc. That's kind of evident when Rogue calls you in the end credits, and you can tell V's decision eats at Johnny that he doesn't even bother trying to call or talk to Rogue just does a dueces and runs out of the city.
Honestly the ending where you take yourself out is a way better end than the devil ending. Even if it doesn't really count as an official ending to some, I'd still rather take it into my own hands than be owned in mind, body, and soul by Arasaka. Devil ending is undoubtedly the worst by every standard
Here comes the but, but if you're stored as an engram, V's friends will surely organize a heist to bust you out and find a new body.
@@makegaminggreatagain3907 bad call, V's friends unlike V can't handle Arasaka.
The self-termination ending is a guarantee that not even dead can Anders have your engram. The fact that SOMEHOW Arasaka can get a partial engram of Jackie if you send his body to the wrong place is scary enough. The guy has been dead for hours by the time Arasaka yoinks it. Brain activity has supposedly ended long ago. Yet they can get something with Soulkiller
I love how dreadful and bleak the devil ending is. Having terminal cyber cancer is pretty depressing, but the devil ending shows that things can always get worse.
There's also the part where Takemura blatantly lies to you when he visits you in the clinic in space to have you sign the contract. He has a line early in the conversation telling V that Hanako already has forgotten about V. But later on in the conversation, he says that it was Hanako that sent him to visit V, to discuss an alternative - the contract.
Also, one line in The Devil tarot card says "The Devil lures unsuspecting souls into traps, but always grants them a choice". Arasaka does give you the choice between signing the contract or living out the remainder of your days in Night City.
With that said, while I agree that it's the worst ending. To me, it's my head cannon, and is the best ending. That's because it's my most authentic ending since I selected the choices that I would have had it been the real me playing the game. And it really got me emotional in the end. All throughout the journey to save my life, Misty's words of "as long as you're alive, there's hope" was always in my mind, and that lead me to The Devil ending because I just really wanted to survive. But that ended up breaking the hearts of Misty herself and Johnny.
The Devil ending is you taking the easy way out in a way in which you lose your soul like a fool you go back on your dreams and stop fighting the system and it wins
Facts
True
Possibly cannon headnod to 'no happy endings in night city'
@@zakarysingleton9228the only happy endings in Night City are you fighting the system and going out with a bang
" stop fighting the system and it wins"
Cyberpunk is not about saving the world, it's about saving yourself.
I always assumed the Moon meant Hanako, but maybe it's actuallt Hellman then. 🤔
And damn, if you go out of your way to save Takamura he turns around to trick you into signing your soul away. I never actually read the contract, just denied it because Arasaka is evil.
Maybe I'll just let Goro and Oda lie together from now on. At least that way we don't have to hear him bitching and moaning 2 years later.
Hanako is high priestess
Yeah, I was hopeful on my first playthrough of the game that Takemura would have a change of heart about Arasaka when they screwed him at the start and tried to kill him. But I think it shows as you talk to him more that he's too loyal for his own good and will do everything to please his master. Of course it was smart of them to send Takemura if he's alive to speak to V since V trusts him more than Hellman. But it shows he's no better than any of them that he's tricking V, especially after saving his life.
I got the devil ending on my first playthrough, and I was highly skeptical of being stored in mikoshi. I read the contract and it gave me bad vibes so I ultimately refused, I never made the connection that you made that if I were to accept that I'd be selling myself to Anders Hellman.
For my current playthrough I actively let Takemura die so I get Anders Hellman in the devil ending just to see how he phrases this offer
As usual, the cunning nature of the Swede brings him out on top.
An unusual characteristic for a Swede that, being cunning.
Facts ❤ even cdpr knows the devil ending is the worst
bro really using meme sounds for everything
I tried it to see how much was too much. Now we know
Took the words right outta my mouth. The best ending is still the one where he rides away with Panam. The canon ending is where Johnny takes over V though.
Wtf one of the good one ?? Wtf are they seeing 🤣🤣🤣
I think the ending on the rooftop is as tragic as it is because of how much doesn’t matter
As you said, it’s probably not even a real ending because it has the least substance or interconnectedness the rest of the world
That’s exactly what makes the suicide so tragic and simultaneously realistic
Facts
The meme sound effects were kind of distracting
Noted. Thanks for the feedback
Yeah it was way too much.
XD I don’t care what anyone says. I love the devil ending and stand by it!
Screw the nomads. Screw Johnny. Especially screw the tower ending!
My V has no one to put her faith into and has more luck with arasaka.
Even though I disagree, I respect you for sticking to your guns
The tower and the devil ending are both sides of the same "coin" both give you a choice servitude or meaningless existence either on borrowed time or with no purpose at all NUSA and definitely Mayer's would not pass on the chance to get their own grim reaper Morgan backhand 2.0 hence I think they purposely installed a chrome dampener in to you there is already a chrome compressor in the game that ups your chrome tolerance by a nice chunk so why not a backwards version of that instead of increasing your chrome tolerance it shrinks it to a very small amount that way Mayer's ensures you will no longer be a threat even if you decide to run solo but when you decide to join them in the promise of gaining a purpose and your chrome back they get a lethal weapon that's happy to be a lethal weapon both are equally horrific you lose your friends connections hope purpose and for what a primal instinct to survive it's not the lesson Cyberpunk was trying to teach you all along and the lesson is very simple only in being selfless unironically good will you truly feel whole in helping Panam and the nomads in forgiving Johnny in helping your friends only in those moments you are you.
Lebron scream if you love Cyberpunk! Arasaka have always been the main bad corpos in a world filled with only bad corporations. I wish they showed a more grey view of Arasaka (Takamura isnt a good example because they tried to kill him as soon as he tried to go against Yorinobu).
My fave ending writing wise
I see where you're coming from
where would you rank the Tower ending
Honestly, almost just as bad. A close second
Is helaman pulled out he didn't complete the scan pulled out halfway for the scan before was it completed if you noticed otherwise there's something he's not telling you he's being disingenuous so yes but I don't completely agree with this guy's assertion will cyberpunk 2077 the devil's end is one you go for
Hellman has been sus from Day 1.
You don't climb the corporate ladder inside Arasaka by being a good dude
I still think The Tower is worse. Sure you get to live, but in exchange you lose everything.
True, though I would argue in the Tower ending you at least still have your soul. In the Devil ending, you don't even have that left. I really dislike the Tower ending, but I think Devil might just be worse still.
@@123Suffering456a leftover soul so you can suffer even more. Cyberpsychosis here we go.
The tower ending is second on my list after Devil Ending
Even if you entertain the idea that V would die on the street her soul wouldn't be trapped by Arasaka and possibly consumed by a rogue AI
Jesus Christ, those sound effects are fucking distracting. I kept looking out my window every time it happened
I like it
The Poles really do hate the Swedes don't they?
No they don't, just friendly banter.
I know nothing about the devil ending outside the obvious plot points because I just skipped around it after every other ending so I could have the achievement.
The Devil Ending is one of those where you have a hard time seeing V making that decision.
now the gears are turning and im wondering if in the tower ending the reason for the 2 year coma was so the NSA can spend all that time studying V.. ive only played that ending once and definitely didnt spend enough time to pick up on all the nuances... but its a great video idea!! 😀
So weird hearing female V
You've never played with female V before?
@@relaxedswede no, over 200 hours, over 3 years never even considered it.
I think the Devil ending is poetic if you played as a corpo. If you start as a street kid, the same holds true for the space ending and the “good” ending really fits the nomad choice. The Phantom Liberty ending is the one that sort of breaks you out and frees you from your past, though at a price. If you step back, there may be less desirable endings for the character, but each ending has its own poetry. I wonder if, originally, the three endings were fixed or more likely depending on which of the three beginnings you chose?
I've never thought of it that way but...yeah. I think it would make sense that Corpo V gets The Devil Ending, Nomad V gets the Aldecaldo Ending etc. But the choice to open up all endings was also good so we get to experience them all regardless of origin choice.
@@relaxedswede I actually think that the decision to not lock the endings down was the right way to go, too. Makes it about the choices instead of about the narrative.
I think it's good too that the endings are open. I've played twice as Corpo V (so far) and I like the idea of starting out as a regular corpo slave, then realising when Arasaka ditches you how wrong it was to work for them (and how unhealthy for V, too), then deciding for a different path and to never trust the big corpos again. It struck me immediately when you meet Hanako at Embers that the corpo responses are suddenly not just using your knowledge of the corpo world to add something to the conversation that V knows and might give them an edge, as I expected them to, but that you're bowing to Hanako and acting like you're still working for Arasaka and you're highly deferential of her. I never pick them, but it totally makes sense if you roleplay the kind of corpo V who might've really learned nothing through the story and goes back to where they come from: a corpo slave who'll end up even selling their soul to Arasaka.
I like that we have choice over this because it would feel very meaningless to me to play as corpo V and it be predetermined that I'm never getting out of the corpo prison no matter what. Even if, I guess, that can be poetic and an interesting message in its own right.
@@123Suffering456 I hadn’t even thought about those responses. V choosing other responses ends up also jarring destiny, choosing a different mindset. I honestly think that a lot of the story writers at CDPR spent many a sleepless night passionately exploring the metaphysics involved. Bet that’s a story in and of itself.
The thing I want to know is: who is Gavin? Why should I vote for him?
Even more important, where is Gavin?
@@relaxedswedeonly Arthur Morgan knows
I would agree but I’d also say the nusa ending is on the same lvl as the devil.
A little off topic I was wondering if you noticed something in the game that the Blackwall has already been breached a more then 1 rogue ai has escaped under militech ?
Not on the same level. NUSA ending is better. More likely neutral and realistic. V have chance to walk off and live normal life, what's wrong with that? People who says that NUSA ending is the worst, must have mentality of sadist, since they like to see V dying or get killed with no hope for the future.
@@PEN1killerprove it tell me what happens after you leave with the aldicaldos? I want details since you know you ran your mouth let’s here what happens cause if you answer that you know more then cd project red an if you can’t answer that then maybe just maybe try not running your mouth. Plus anybody who thinks v loosing parts of themselves is good has never actually lost anything of value i actually can say that as not only have i lost the ability to use 1 arm but I’ve had to restart my life multiple times an your idea of good is actually shit from actual experience. Let’s hear how I’m wrong
That's fair. The NUSA ending is horrible too. And I doubt that Myers would be such a good choom that she would just let V leave without running some experiments of her own.
In terms of Rogue AIs escaping into our world, yes. Quite a few. We know that one of the oldest to do so was Delamain but this breach was most likely done in Germany. My crackpot theory is that smaller rogue AIs are already in Dogtown. Infecting the minds of the drug addicts and homeless.
I think I touched a little on it here: ruclips.net/video/E_yN8FllXGw/видео.html&ab_channel=RelaxedSwede
@@relaxedswedethat’s actually my line of thinking as well, although I have found most homeless that rant try to warn you but yes that’s my theory as well.
Plus you have the Blackwall weapons and there’s some writing that says “ it’s a weapon for you but a back door to the future for them”, I don’t remember where i found it but that kinda put it together for me as well, which mix that with song so mi then that suggests that the nusa isn’t a bunch of good guys but in fact a global threat.
An you right on the money again Myers is a sadistic psychopath that will not just let you walk, let’s say they did take the chip out what did she do? You’re ineffective as a fighter now, you still have all that info as to what took place you are 100% a threat to her. Unless there’s more to it, did she wipe your mind or do something else? Alex wanted out an if you side with reed to give song to the nsua then Alex dies funny that huh, she’s wants out an Myers says sure no worries, really that’s what these nsua sympathizers think? Nar Myers with reeds help zeroed Alex she knew too much an did too much to be kept alive, my bet is the vengeance drivin Myers did something to you an you will soon see what that is.
I think the Devil ending is the lore ending for the corporat path. If you're a nomad you go out with Panam. If you're a street kid, you're a pirate in space.
Facts. I think CDPR built it like that first, then they made all endings available to all origins to make the game more dynamic
@@relaxedswede If CDPR gives you the same three choices for life paths, and brings back V, I think that would be awesome if that's how they drop you back into the story. I can't remember, but don't all of the endings give you 6 months to live, minus the Phantom Liberty ones. I don't count those, because the only "lore friendly" path is sending So Mi to the moon that or killing her. Letting Johnny have your body, doesn't really fit with his arc. That's kind of evident when Rogue calls you in the end credits, and you can tell V's decision eats at Johnny that he doesn't even bother trying to call or talk to Rogue just does a dueces and runs out of the city.