I'm quite short and like this poncho, it defo helps when on the trail as it doesn't snag as much as the bigger ones, it's small enough to keep in your jacket pocket and I carry a 2nd one in the rucksack to clip together for shelter. For me £29 for one it's certainly a very good buy and once clipped together make a very good sized shelter
It's not always bad when a poncho isn't that long. When hiking in the mountains, you run the risk of constantly stepping on the poncho if it is too long.
@Frontline Owl Huh??? Umm I've worn out countless pairs of jungle boots humpin an Alice ruck in the Army and we definitely wore the poncho over the ruck.....everybody did, why wouldn't you?
It’s often hard to find gear that actually fits us shorter people, since I don’t like tripping while wearing a too long poncho. It works great in my hunting pack along with a swagman for quick insulation.
It is hard to find clothes/gear that fits normal height guys that stand 6'2" and are thin from avoiding soy. Most clothing is sized for short soylent eaters.
Hello ...I'm trying to visualize how the roll and poncho attach , I have the roll and am considering the poncho . How often do you combine them or would you go back and pick one over the other ?
I am 6'0" and this poncho fits me well and is serving me for more than 2 years now. You don't trip. I used some water repellent spray on the outside. My Karrimor Sabre45 fits perfectly under it even with the side pockets and filled to the brim. If its pouring you should be prepared with gaiters anyway.
What you have there is your standard poncho. I’ve worked outside for over 25 years and always wore a poncho. From my experience you don’t want a poncho to go all the way down to your feet. You’ll be tripping over it all night long.
There are nice solutions where you can kinda tuck it up on the inside and there's a button to hold it secured. It's a particularly good feature on the back in case of backpacking - this way you can either wear the poncho alone without tripping but have one less piece of gear to worry about and you don't have to take the backpack off to put the rainbag over it
A poncho is meant for 2/3 coverage. If you want full coverage you wear pants. A full length poncho in the woods would be a nightmare. Personally, I’d rather it be too short than too long.
I'm a military vet, and the length serves it's purpose. It's not meant to go closer to the ground. The poncho is not meant to give 100% protection, but to shed the rain off of your upper body. Everything else you mentioned is correct, but the length is accurate. Taller people will not have as much protection, and that's how it is in the military. Vital parts of your body are protected, and that's the only purpose. Your feet are another issue, but not determined by the poncho. It's meant to cover your upper body and gear on your back, and that's it. We're you in the military? is my question. That poncho length does meet military standards, and that's it. Your feet health is met by your chang of socks and hygiene. Boot covers and gators will assist greatly, and that's what's meant to compensate for the length of the poncho.
I’ve found that a poncho is the dumbest designed garment ever invented. You WILL get wet wearing this rain gear. Not wearing it saves time. Courtesy of Half Vast Flying
The ponchos I was issued in the army were worn out reissued junk. My first impressions were not good. I quickly realized that some gear I had to buy myself.
I'm 5'8", and I have NEVER had a poncho reach any lower on my legs than the one your showing here. Personally, I'd think a poncho that reaches my feet would be just too damn big, I don't want to wear a tarp, and if I'm worried about my feet getting wet, then either I wear waterproof boots, or I don't go out in the rain...it's that simple
I am 5’9” and it fits perfectly. It is designed to work in conjunction with their Swagman roll, it sort of buckles together providing either an improvised sleeping system or warmer outershell, with Swagman trapping body heat and poncho being the waterproof part (Swagman in itself is water-resistant but not water-proof). The best part of this poncho is that it can also work as tarp, albeit a small one, lol :D.
I agree 100%. I bought 3 of these from Amazon in different colors thinking they would be like my 2 military issue ponchos. No way José. I use these ponchos in my car for emergency knock about rain gear only in a pinch. The head holes barley fit my head and for using them as a tarp, forget about it. I went back to my military surplus ponchos instead, when I am camping or backpacking. I would never trust my life to these ponchos, like I have with my military issue ones. I carry a military issue poncho and have used it as a tarp on many occasions in severe rain, wind, and snow, both when I was in the Marine Corps and as a retiree. I never had a problem with the original military issue. Great honest review Luke. Thanks.
In my opinion, it’s better to have a shorter poncho paired with gaiters so that you can walk over obstacles easier. Second, polyester doesn’t soak up water like nylon and though it may not be as durable as nylon it’s negligible. A thorn ripping poly would rip nylon as well. As long as it’s ripstop fabric and you carry duct tape you’re good. 7 feet length is enough for a rain shelter if it’s low to the ground.
I use this poncho primarily as shelter (I live in the desert), but when I expect to use it as a poncho, I am also wearing my hunters muck boots and tru spec trousers, so I am generally well protected. I am 5'9". I also use it with the swagman roll if I'm using a "ranger burrito" configuration. Great poncho, and great points in your video!
boy i wish you had come out with this video a year ago when I bought the Helikon-Tex poncho. because I agree with everything you said and, while i don't hate it, it is not what i was looking for. thank you for doing what you do!
I was literally just researching differences between this and the true USGI one as your vid popped up. Trying to find another surplus woodland one to join to my issued one for shelter. Thanks for this, Luke. Think I'll keep hunting for a surplus one.
Despite differences what is made from (nylon vs polyester), Helikon's poncho is more like rectangle nor square'ish like US GI poncho (210x145mm vs 220x165mm).
Luke as always this was a great review. I Especially appreciate you mentioning your height because it helps me put what I see on the screen in context. I've never heard you reference your height before and I've wondered about that as I'm a taller guy. I know you're diligent in your reviews and keep other body sizes in mind in your review videos but it still helps me to know your height as well. I suggest mentioning your height more consistently. Thanks for all the fabulous work you do.
I've had this poncho and used it for 2 years with no problems. I'm a short dude (170 cm) so the size fits perfectly, backpack or no backpack, the protection is very decent and never once tripped over it (forests here are full of snags so that's an achievement). I use it as a groundsheet with a dedicated tarp over my head and the material handled it flawlessly so far. The head opening problem is legit but never occurred to me, guess I'm not big brained.
I've had mine for 3 years now. I'm 5'7" tall and i would not mind it being a bit shorter. Maybe in your geographical area having a poncho that touches the ground is workable. It is not in mine. My woods are covered in vines, boulders, rocks and a longer poncho would snag, drag, and not last very long on the bottom edge in the saw briars, cat briars, and blackberry bushes that are everywhere here. You stay on those manicured trails and thin woods of yours and you'll be fine in your military poncho. I still have my OG woobie but I ditched my military poncho after snagging it one too many times. TO each their own.
Got one for you Luke, seen this here on RUclips, about a Biwaksack. Never heard of them before, a military item. Anyway thought I’d throw it out there for ya, great channel, never miss one. Thanks
I bought a cheap backpacking poncho four years ago for $12. I use it every summer during the rainy season in Florida. It works great and it’s over sized.
35mph winds.. sideways rain.. and my roof started leaking.. thank goodness I had this!! Threw it on!! Got my ladder and tarp.. and went on the roof.. laid the tarp down.. secured it.. boom!! I was dry... and stopped my roof from leaking more!! The poncho dried fast!! I'm so glad I got this!! Well worth it!
Luke, I think you’re right. It’s a bit small. I’m 5’10”, so, it’ll be even smaller on me. AND I like the head/neck opening to be comfortably big, for breath ability, letting the body heat and transpiration outside. I also like to use it as a tarp and/or a ground sheet. Thanks, Luke, SAH. Texas
i have one. i like it. (though to be fair, I've not had any others) i agree it's not super big (but had no idea it was simply "modelled" on the usa one). used it as a tarp shelter on an 2-day walk. held up ok, but was not super windy, rainy or anything. worked ok during a rain/sleet shower and covered my backpack, but left legs etc exposed. hey-ho. still throw it in my day bag when going out, since it's small and easy to carry and it's better to be dry than wet (even if partly)
Honestly to me Being 5'7" I would still consider that a full coverage poncho. As it is meant to be paired with boots which would solve feet protection and as for hands they are suppose to be slightly exposed so the material doesn't get in the way while doing work, you can always pull your arms in and have full upper body protection from head to below the knee but if it was too much longer people would trip over the excess material. Its suppose to be an emergency shelter if needed and if you measure it in Plow point configuration Diagonally it drastically increases size of cover.
I wouldn't particularly want a longer poncho. I'm 5"11 and it works fine. If there's bad weather forecast I'd take waterproof legs anyway. With this poncho you'd probably be fine with just a pair of gaiters for the lower legs. NO issues with the head hole. I was carrying my dog under it one day in a sling bag and no problem tucking my head in to check on her. It's good for using as a tent footprint and emergency raincoat to save carrying one when there's enough with camping gear as it is. Highly recommend this poncho, and the Swagman Roll too. Get both you'll be happy with the purchase.
I'm 5'3 so this'll work fine for the rainy season. I use my issued poncho for camping. I'm going to guess that HT made short ponchos for stomping around the bush and not getting snagged or tripping. Anything longer I'd use in town or doing work in the yard. I made the mistake of using a poncho in the field to cover myself and pack and I kept stepping on the bottom and falling. A shorter version would've been better. I'm not concerned about dry legs, just torso and pack.
Every time I consider buying a outdoor product I always check this channel for a review on it to see if it holds true. For example I wanted to buy the bushcraft fire plug and seeing how you proved them wrong on their claims was a major factor in my decision. Thank you luke!!
I only roll with the wilderness innovation ponchos because they can be hammocks, chairs, and everything else this poncho can do. I find the wilderness innovation stuff to be incredibly high quality
@@poolee77 That sounds reasonable. I don't pretend to have one from every manufacturer to every win the government contract, or for every year they've been issued. But this coment got me off my lazy butt and out to the shed where I dug out every poncho I have ever owned ( _save one lost to the Youghiogheny River back in '91_ ). Results: USGI issued to me in 1989 - 86"x63" USGI surplus bought 1995 - 86"x64" Helikon Tex. - 85"x57" WalMart RealTree Camo - 87"x57"
It should be said, that the size of the hood is designed to accommodate a helmet when styled after a military design. I wish the manufacturers would stop this and design them more for civilian use which seldom require such a large hood!
Seems odd that they would leave the hood big enough for a helmet, but not make the neck opening big enough to slip over one. I'm extra interested in this due to the helmet compatibility, but having to remove the helmet to put it on is a downside.
I have that one myself. And I like that it's not bigger. Since I am only 169 cm I step on the poncho if it's longer. My Swedish M90 pants I always wear are well impregnated that they become dry very quickly anyway. 😁 Love your channel Luke 🙂 /Johan, Stockholm, Sweden
The Wilderness innovations poncho is the way to go. Different weight an types of materials an patterns or solids. Ultra light weight or 50-60% dyneema blend fabric. 12 webbing tie outs around it. To make a tent/tarp out of it. All the double sided metal snaps like the US poncho. Built in dyneema cord to be turned into a instant hammock. Can have optional sleeve extensions added to it. Can have an optional hoodie like pocket added to it. The poncho liner he sells has multiple colors/patters. Can choose the weight of the Apex insulation it’s made with. Has the head hole. To actually wear it under the poncho. Double sided steel snaps to match the snaps on the poncho. Also has built in bungee cords an the bottom of the front an back so it can be snapped to the poncho u see it when it’s set up as a hammock. An the ends can be cinched in with the built in cord. To become a full length hammock underquilt. Also sells a bugnet that slides over it. And a top quilt if needed And a ultralight tarp or can use a second poncho. An best of all. Sewn on tag. MADE IN THE USA. not some Chinese thrown together poncho. But something bombproof in quality. Own a bunch of his gear. Few ponchos liners an things. An been way past impressed with all of it.
Kudos for very useful, unbiased, intelligent assessments of products you have actual used in the field. Something of a rarity in YT reviews of any kind! Best in 2022.
As well as the Helikon-Tex version being smaller, it's only about 3.5 ounces (100g) lighter than the real deal. I've had 2 genuine surplus USGI woodland camo ponchos since 2013 when I replaced my old 1970s vintage British Army 58 pattern ponchos as the waterproof backing and taped seams were flaking and detaching. I can't remember what vintage the USGI ones are, but they were unmarked and are still in great condition. Another plus is that any NATO country's military will almost certainly pair up with another NATO country's issue as they're a standard size with standard stud/snap spacing. I made up a Baker style tent with the two USGI ponchos in half pyramids, supported on trekking pole with one of my old 58s studded to both in the centre forming a door/awning. True military spec ponchos will last you decades, if not a lifetime.
They can meet the measurements for a couple reasons. First and foremost it's pretty much on par with every other civilian maker poncho you're going to find out there; USGI, Arcturus etc. Second it was designed specifically to work with the Swagman roll so if they went true military size there would be compatibility issues. Also, while perhaps a coincidence, if your terrain has a lot of elevation changes a shorter poncho is actually a blessing because you don't have to worry about stepping in it.
My family and I are HUGE fans of your channel!! Thank you for being there and being OUT THERE-in ALL elements!! What is a reliable, honest and reasonable source for authentic military surplus items??
Upon more thinking of my time in the Army I believe Luke missed an important point and that this poncho actually gives fine protection. A Military issue poncho is designed to keep a soldier covered when wearing their Ruck sack and the rest of their gear (helmet, plate carrier, LBE, etc) *under* the poncho. That means you need extra length because the Poncho is going to "ride up" *a lot.* Heck with just a helmet on your pocho "rides up" well over an inch. I would suspect a civilian with a day pack, or civilian backpacking pack, would have the same coverage with this poncho because there is so much less "riding up" as they are going to be carrying so much less gear under it. The full purpose of a piece of kit needs to be addressed . That said the poncho actually lines up fairly decently with the tieouts of their 3x3 Supertarp as well. You can make a fine Baker style tent with the tarp in an Adirondack configuration and the poncho then added length wise on the "beak" side. Probably a coincidence but its a nice feature.
I remember my military poncho in basic only coming to my calf (and I’m average height). Marching in that thing was miserable as the water made your lower leg sopping wet. Maybe they made them bigger later but by that time I was wearing Gortex and only sleeping under the newer M81 colored poncho.
As a 6' tall human, ive always preferred a poncho that stops around my knees. If it were any longer it would be prone to snag, and become a tripping hazard.
Thank you Luke for your detailed veiw on this poncho, i especially like that you are taking into account much bigger/ taller people when talking about items and what may work for one person will be terrible for bigger/ taller people..... (and this how reviews should be - great for 5'6" terrible for 6' plus) - as always much appreciated brother.
Helikon is based in Poland so It would seem this product is based off possibly the polish ponchos, not US. In addition to the surplus line, they also have a Patrol line among others. Doing more research with less ethnocentrism involved might be beneficial in the future.
This seems like a pretty nice product for the price for humid and rainy conditions. For more money a Gatewood Cape or MLD poncho tarp would be superior but at $30ish this is a good deal. I like the size, it is made for hiking and you wouldn't want anything below your knees. As long as the lap area is covered, this works in humid and rainy conditions. If it's cray cold or windy, waterproof pants are superior but for the Appalachian trail for example, this should work fine while providing good ventilation.
I have the Gatewood Cape and IMO it sucks as a poncho but make a great shelter. I had to do a lot of seem sealing to use it as a poncho and it fits like crap..
hi from Japan. what a nice clip! liked it.😊 i meant to buy it as a military product, but turns out not. though i found out the fact, i still like it for its cheap price and lighter weight. after it gets tear down, new poncho would be the real one. i want to see your review for the real us military poncho next time.
It works, it comes in many camouflage patterns/colours. It's lightweight,easy to carry and versatile (it wroks as a tarp and works with the Swangmanrol liner, which is another wonderful product of that company. Price is good, nothing wrong with the product.
Appreciate your reviews alot, just recently purchased a navy surplus goretex parka and pants never issued for 100 bucks on ebay thanks to your recommending them in previous videos
I think the length is fine. As long as it's just past the knees; gaiters take care of the rest... What I don't like, is how tight the Swagman is as a sleeping bag. If that was wider; then so would the Poncho have to be... A lot of people have commented on this. If they fix it, I'll buy a Swagman... and would happily update to a wider Poncho to fit it...
Thanks for a clear, thorough report. Especially the length versus your height. Good information for someone, me, who is 6’+. Have not considered snaps and material strength until now. And, you still emphasized several pros for it. Thank you. By the way, I thought I was subscribed. I am now. Watched one of your stealth camping vids. Lots of good info there. Keep up the good work.
Great product various uses obviously to me a think it’s short to prevent trip hazard on inclines and one of the primary uses is to hunker down and sit inclement weather out
Hi Luke, i have this Ponco too in Pencott. I have never used it, because i have a Ponco from Commando Industries in Woodland Camo with the same size, but it is not so heavy like the helikon tex.
Helikon-tex Polish infantry jacket. I took it out of the package, equipped it, pulled the waist cinch and one of the cinch cords disconnected at one end. I had to sew it back in.
Savotta makes an outstanding poncho, they have 2 sizes plus the corners have webbing loops, so much better to make a shelter with and not worrying about tearing out grommets. Thanks cool hand
Being short myself this makes it more suited to my build, glad this was pointed out. One thing that’s very noticeable is how noisey that fabric is, microphone exaggerating it or is it that crinkly. Nice compact size makes it one that you would carry rather than leave at home.
I've just bought this poncho. I'm 5' 9". I don't mind the length. If I'm using this I'll probably be using it with waterproof trousers or gaiters. I'm happy with it, especially the internal cordage. I have a biggish head and the head space is not a problem. I got this for unexpected downpours when I can pull this on over a day pack and stay dry. The hood cinches in tight. Yes, its not military grade as you point out which begs the question, why didn't you buy a military surplus poncho rather than this?
Thanks for the review. I've been eyeing this poncho for a while and while the length wouldn't be a problem as I'm kind of short, I have a shockingly large cranium that probably won't fit through the head hole.
I use a similar sized poncho diff brand. Legnth comes to about below knees Im 6"5'. But TBH I don't care. I got me a pair of full legnth zip MPV British rain pants. Winning combination. You get air from sides of poncho and open leg zips to ventilate while walking between showers. MPV pants, full legnth 2 way zip means acess to pockets at top and be able to go to knee to ventialte as above. Best of all, real quik to get into zip up regardless of what boots size you wear. Hell you could even be wearing gumboots and put them on
Their website says the short side of the poncho is 145 centimeters. If the fabric they use is available in 1.5 meter widths, this would explain why one side of the poncho is shorter than the true US poncho; 150cm of fabric with 2.5cm/1inch of trim and hem on each side equals 145cm. And if that one dimension is 4" shorter than the US military poncho, perhaps they made the other side of their poncho shorter by the same amount to match.
I used this thing to hike 5 miles in a tropical storm. I'm 5,11" and covering my pack made this poncho really short. It was a good thing I was hiking out to my car when the storm came because I got soaked. Ever since then I only use rain jackets.
But your pack was dry wasn't it..... that's the main function of a military poncho, not comfort, not to keep you 100% dry....the military issues rain jackets/ pants for that in addition to the poncho
@@kurtrussell5228 My pack was soaked. However, I was solo and that is something worth mentioning. Trying to get a poncho over your pack and make sure it is covering everything is very difficult when you are solo. It's a better option when you have other people with you (military) that can help out and make sure it is covering your backside.
My father had one when I was younger we all (7 children) argued to be able to wear it so we all had to take turns, we liked it best in winter we would use while shoveling snow while it was snowing and windy we did not the wind as much, that's how his fit us while we were younger but he was shorter than we were LOL
Your view on this military equipment is understandable, but I think you judge them from a too civilian, too trail-hiking perspective. I think a reasonable shortness of a poncho is a big advantage in the deep woods, off-trail! Longer Ponchos slow you down and it's real noisy when your toes almost touch the textile or when it tears through bushes and thorns. I hate the feeling of almost tripping or getting entangled in branches when it's too long. I get your point about your feet not being optimally protected from rain, but once you walk through thick bush off the trail, no matter how long the poncho, your feet get wet if your shoes don't manage wetness, no poncho in the world would make a difference to that. I also understand your point about it being a small shelter. When I set mine up for the first time, I thought "oh no, that's a joke" and I'm really short for a guy. But once again, looking at it from a rather tactical-survival point of view instead of civilian everyday hiking, it is super low-profile, very hard to spot, just right for non-permissive environments.
All ponchos: get and use rain trousers with a poncho. Consider snow or rain leggings to keep your shoes or boots from getting water in from the poncho. The poncho sheds water to the outsides of your calf and it goes downhill.
I think it’s so small because quality hiking/military gear is waterproof. If your wearing waterproof pants and shoes your all good and you’ll have better mobility in it
If this is a military style poncho then I think you need to look at it differently. It’s not so much about total comfort meanwhile it protects “most” of you and your pack (underneath the poncho) where most of your gear is. In the military I camped and slept, for a short time, in my poncho while sitting on my pack. I love poncho’s but it’s what you’re used too.
Hi Lucas and Susie, Could you do video on gear thats the "best bang for the buck"? (In your opinion) and what we can expect to pay? I'd love to know your favorite gear too. Thx!!
Hmm, that is very small for a shelter. I do have another brands surplus poncho, but it's rather heavy and it's also small & not good quality as the eyelets tend to pull out when guyed out. I think it may be for cadets. It's quite heavy & I got tired or carrying it around. So I replaced it in my kit with a DD Superlight Tarp S. While this is not a poncho, it's an emergency item for say an unplanned overnight shelter or it can be worn as a cloak in the event of unexpected rainstorm. If rain is expected, I take wet weathers, but the tarp can be worn as a hooded cloak in the event of an expected rain burst, it's 2.8m (110.2in) x 1.5m (59.1in), 290g (10.2 oz), which is a lot roomier & more practical emergency shelter option & I have had no issues with the tie-outs at all.
As far as size goes, it may not be a direct 'let's just make it smaller' issue, but could have a lot to do with what size material they begin with and how many they can get per roll of said material. Cutting down on manufacturer end shipping costs and wasted material is a big factor may people don't consider, and they may order it based on roll width being just over what they need to make the poncho, getting as many of that size into a container for shipping, then only having to make a few cuts to get the finished product out the door. Works like that in a lot of industries, and in the long run the average buyer won't notice it being four inches smaller than military issue.
Thinking with a sewing machine and some spare time. We could make our own poncho. Buy, the best materials. Add features that we want. That would be an interesting project.
Thanks for the review. I've been wanting to replace my surplus poncho with a black one. It was either going to be the Helicon Tex or one made by fire force. I'll go with the fire force.
I'm quite short and like this poncho, it defo helps when on the trail as it doesn't snag as much as the bigger ones, it's small enough to keep in your jacket pocket and I carry a 2nd one in the rucksack to clip together for shelter. For me £29 for one it's certainly a very good buy and once clipped together make a very good sized shelter
It's not always bad when a poncho isn't that long. When hiking in the mountains, you run the risk of constantly stepping on the poncho if it is too long.
100% I had to shorten up my poncho bush bashing through steeper inclines and descents on my last hike in the fall.
Yes, but they were originally designed to fit over a large ruck sack, this is where current products on the market literally fall short.
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@Frontline Owl Huh??? Umm I've worn out countless pairs of jungle boots humpin an Alice ruck in the Army and we definitely wore the poncho over the ruck.....everybody did, why wouldn't you?
can wear any belt or rope on the poncho that can help not dragging poncho
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How is wearing a belt going to make it shorter
It’s often hard to find gear that actually fits us shorter people, since I don’t like tripping while wearing a too long poncho. It works great in my hunting pack along with a swagman for quick insulation.
Yes, you look very short in your profile picture! :)
It is hard to find clothes/gear that fits normal height guys that stand 6'2" and are thin from avoiding soy. Most clothing is sized for short soylent eaters.
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@@kke LOL It’s an old picture! He’s was big enough last year to help me haul a bull caribou to a freighter canoe!
Hello ...I'm trying to visualize how the roll and poncho attach , I have the roll and am considering the poncho . How often do you combine them or would you go back and pick one over the other ?
I am 6'0" and this poncho fits me well and is serving me for more than 2 years now. You don't trip. I used some water repellent spray on the outside. My Karrimor Sabre45 fits perfectly under it even with the side pockets and filled to the brim. If its pouring you should be prepared with gaiters anyway.
What you have there is your standard poncho. I’ve worked outside for over 25 years and always wore a poncho. From my experience you don’t want a poncho to go all the way down to your feet. You’ll be tripping over it all night long.
There are nice solutions where you can kinda tuck it up on the inside and there's a button to hold it secured. It's a particularly good feature on the back in case of backpacking - this way you can either wear the poncho alone without tripping but have one less piece of gear to worry about and you don't have to take the backpack off to put the rainbag over it
A poncho is meant for 2/3 coverage. If you want full coverage you wear pants. A full length poncho in the woods would be a nightmare. Personally, I’d rather it be too short than too long.
I'm a military vet, and the length serves it's purpose. It's not meant to go closer to the ground. The poncho is not meant to give 100% protection, but to shed the rain off of your upper body. Everything else you mentioned is correct, but the length is accurate. Taller people will not have as much protection, and that's how it is in the military. Vital parts of your body are protected, and that's the only purpose. Your feet are another issue, but not determined by the poncho. It's meant to cover your upper body and gear on your back, and that's it. We're you in the military? is my question. That poncho length does meet military standards, and that's it. Your feet health is met by your chang of socks and hygiene. Boot covers and gators will assist greatly, and that's what's meant to compensate for the length of the poncho.
exactly right
'and that's how it is in the military'. No truer words. At 6'5" everything sucked 😂
I’ve found that a poncho is the dumbest designed garment ever invented. You WILL get wet wearing this rain gear. Not wearing it saves time.
Courtesy of Half Vast Flying
@@jackvoss5841you’ll get wet in any rain gear. I’ve wetted out our goretex top and bottoms in training. It just makes it suck a little less.
The ponchos I was issued in the army were worn out reissued junk. My first impressions were not good. I quickly realized that some gear I had to buy myself.
I'm 5'8", and I have NEVER had a poncho reach any lower on my legs than the one your showing here. Personally, I'd think a poncho that reaches my feet would be just too damn big, I don't want to wear a tarp, and if I'm worried about my feet getting wet, then either I wear waterproof boots, or I don't go out in the rain...it's that simple
I was scratching my head as well. I am 5’11” and never had poncho longer than just below my knees. The expectation is you’re going to wear rain pants.
I agree, i was confused with this review......
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can wear belt on the poncho. or any rope
I am 5’9” and it fits perfectly. It is designed to work in conjunction with their Swagman roll, it sort of buckles together providing either an improvised sleeping system or warmer outershell, with Swagman trapping body heat and poncho being the waterproof part (Swagman in itself is water-resistant but not water-proof). The best part of this poncho is that it can also work as tarp, albeit a small one, lol :D.
I agree 100%. I bought 3 of these from Amazon in different colors thinking they would be like my 2 military issue ponchos. No way José. I use these ponchos in my car for emergency knock about rain gear only in a pinch. The head holes barley fit my head and for using them as a tarp, forget about it. I went back to my military surplus ponchos instead, when I am camping or backpacking. I would never trust my life to these ponchos, like I have with my military issue ones. I carry a military issue poncho and have used it as a tarp on many occasions in severe rain, wind, and snow, both when I was in the Marine Corps and as a retiree. I never had a problem with the original military issue. Great honest review Luke. Thanks.
In my opinion, it’s better to have a shorter poncho paired with gaiters so that you can walk over obstacles easier. Second, polyester doesn’t soak up water like nylon and though it may not be as durable as nylon it’s negligible. A thorn ripping poly would rip nylon as well. As long as it’s ripstop fabric and you carry duct tape you’re good. 7 feet length is enough for a rain shelter if it’s low to the ground.
Well put. Agreed.
I use this poncho primarily as shelter (I live in the desert), but when I expect to use it as a poncho, I am also wearing my hunters muck boots and tru spec trousers, so I am generally well protected. I am 5'9". I also use it with the swagman roll if I'm using a "ranger burrito" configuration. Great poncho, and great points in your video!
boy i wish you had come out with this video a year ago when I bought the Helikon-Tex poncho. because I agree with everything you said and, while i don't hate it, it is not what i was looking for. thank you for doing what you do!
I was literally just researching differences between this and the true USGI one as your vid popped up. Trying to find another surplus woodland one to join to my issued one for shelter. Thanks for this, Luke. Think I'll keep hunting for a surplus one.
Despite differences what is made from (nylon vs polyester), Helikon's poncho is more like rectangle nor square'ish like US GI poncho (210x145mm vs 220x165mm).
Luke as always this was a great review. I Especially appreciate you mentioning your height because it helps me put what I see on the screen in context. I've never heard you reference your height before and I've wondered about that as I'm a taller guy. I know you're diligent in your reviews and keep other body sizes in mind in your review videos but it still helps me to know your height as well. I suggest mentioning your height more consistently. Thanks for all the fabulous work you do.
I've had this poncho and used it for 2 years with no problems. I'm a short dude (170 cm) so the size fits perfectly, backpack or no backpack, the protection is very decent and never once tripped over it (forests here are full of snags so that's an achievement). I use it as a groundsheet with a dedicated tarp over my head and the material handled it flawlessly so far. The head opening problem is legit but never occurred to me, guess I'm not big brained.
I've had mine for 3 years now. I'm 5'7" tall and i would not mind it being a bit shorter. Maybe in your geographical area having a poncho that touches the ground is workable. It is not in mine. My woods are covered in vines, boulders, rocks and a longer poncho would snag, drag, and not last very long on the bottom edge in the saw briars, cat briars, and blackberry bushes that are everywhere here. You stay on those manicured trails and thin woods of yours and you'll be fine in your military poncho. I still have my OG woobie but I ditched my military poncho after snagging it one too many times. TO each their own.
6'2" ....ill pass on that one 🤣 love the content as always. Much love from the UK 🇬🇧
Got one for you Luke, seen this here on RUclips, about a Biwaksack. Never heard of them before, a military item. Anyway thought I’d throw it out there for ya, great channel, never miss one. Thanks
I bought a cheap backpacking poncho four years ago for $12. I use it every summer during the rainy season in Florida. It works great and it’s over sized.
What’s the name of that poncho & where did you buy it? I’m also in Florida
@@IAMGWH1 the company was called blue field
35mph winds.. sideways rain.. and my roof started leaking.. thank goodness I had this!! Threw it on!! Got my ladder and tarp.. and went on the roof.. laid the tarp down.. secured it.. boom!! I was dry... and stopped my roof from leaking more!! The poncho dried fast!!
I'm so glad I got this!! Well worth it!
Luke, I think you’re right. It’s a bit small. I’m 5’10”, so, it’ll be even smaller on me. AND I like the head/neck opening to be comfortably big, for breath ability, letting the body heat and transpiration outside. I also like to use it as a tarp and/or a ground sheet. Thanks, Luke, SAH. Texas
I think you popped some people's balloons. You're my go to guy for real deal honest reviews of camping and hiking equipment. Thx much!
Could you do a review of an actual military poncho and do a side by side comparison of a cheap nock off version? That would be interesting.
Agree!!! I would like to know what companies made, or still make the heavier nylon and rubber military versions.
🙏🏻
Yes please do this!
i have one. i like it. (though to be fair, I've not had any others) i agree it's not super big (but had no idea it was simply "modelled" on the usa one). used it as a tarp shelter on an 2-day walk. held up ok, but was not super windy, rainy or anything. worked ok during a rain/sleet shower and covered my backpack, but left legs etc exposed. hey-ho. still throw it in my day bag when going out, since it's small and easy to carry and it's better to be dry than wet (even if partly)
Honestly to me Being 5'7" I would still consider that a full coverage poncho. As it is meant to be paired with boots which would solve feet protection and as for hands they are suppose to be slightly exposed so the material doesn't get in the way while doing work, you can always pull your arms in and have full upper body protection from head to below the knee but if it was too much longer people would trip over the excess material. Its suppose to be an emergency shelter if needed and if you measure it in Plow point configuration Diagonally it drastically increases size of cover.
I wouldn't particularly want a longer poncho. I'm 5"11 and it works fine. If there's bad weather forecast I'd take waterproof legs anyway.
With this poncho you'd probably be fine with just a pair of gaiters for the lower legs.
NO issues with the head hole. I was carrying my dog under it one day in a sling bag and no problem tucking my head in to check on her.
It's good for using as a tent footprint and emergency raincoat to save carrying one when there's enough with camping gear as it is.
Highly recommend this poncho, and the Swagman Roll too. Get both you'll be happy with the purchase.
I'm 5'3 so this'll work fine for the rainy season. I use my issued poncho for camping. I'm going to guess that HT made short ponchos for stomping around the bush and not getting snagged or tripping. Anything longer I'd use in town or doing work in the yard. I made the mistake of using a poncho in the field to cover myself and pack and I kept stepping on the bottom and falling. A shorter version would've been better. I'm not concerned about dry legs, just torso and pack.
Every time I consider buying a outdoor product I always check this channel for a review on it to see if it holds true. For example I wanted to buy the bushcraft fire plug and seeing how you proved them wrong on their claims was a major factor in my decision. Thank you luke!!
I only roll with the wilderness innovation ponchos because they can be hammocks, chairs, and everything else this poncho can do. I find the wilderness innovation stuff to be incredibly high quality
More size options too.
@@joshavery4814 Yeah they do have a few different size options for sure
They don't want the mass populace to have the inside scoop and have higher quality gear
Hope you and the family are doing well Luke. Love the videos keep em coming bud, looking forward to the next one.👍
I love your brutal honesty. I watch all your reviews and love them.
U.S. GI poncho dimensions are 88 x 60 inches. The Helikons are about on par with German or Belgian NATO ponchos size wise.
Negative. I have mine in front of me now with a FatMax 30'.
Mine measures at 80" x 64" - USGI. Who issued you yours and where?
@@8chohgee135depends on the supplier and the year. There has been variance in size over the years. Especially between M81 and UCP issued ones.
@@poolee77 That sounds reasonable. I don't pretend to have one from every manufacturer to every win the government contract, or for every year they've been issued. But this coment got me off my lazy butt and out to the shed where I dug out every poncho I have ever owned ( _save one lost to the Youghiogheny River back in '91_ ).
Results:
USGI issued to me in 1989 - 86"x63"
USGI surplus bought 1995 - 86"x64"
Helikon Tex. - 85"x57"
WalMart RealTree Camo - 87"x57"
I sent mine back to Amazon and bought the Snugpak Patrol Poncho with sleeves instead. I keep my Frogg Toggs poncho in the car for emergencies.
It should be said, that the size of the hood is designed to accommodate a helmet when styled after a military design.
I wish the manufacturers would stop this and design them more for civilian use which seldom require such a large hood!
Seems odd that they would leave the hood big enough for a helmet, but not make the neck opening big enough to slip over one. I'm extra interested in this due to the helmet compatibility, but having to remove the helmet to put it on is a downside.
I personally like a larger hood because it fits better over a boonie hat.
I have that one myself. And I like that it's not bigger. Since I am only 169 cm I step on the poncho if it's longer. My Swedish M90 pants I always wear are well impregnated that they become dry very quickly anyway. 😁
Love your channel Luke 🙂
/Johan, Stockholm, Sweden
Thanks for the review. I was considering this product. I am 6'0 Ft tall. You helped make up my mid. I will look for a model that better suits me.
The Wilderness innovations poncho is the way to go. Different weight an types of materials an patterns or solids. Ultra light weight or 50-60% dyneema blend fabric.
12 webbing tie outs around it. To make a tent/tarp out of it.
All the double sided metal snaps like the US poncho.
Built in dyneema cord to be turned into a instant hammock.
Can have optional sleeve extensions added to it.
Can have an optional hoodie like pocket added to it.
The poncho liner he sells has multiple colors/patters. Can choose the weight of the Apex insulation it’s made with.
Has the head hole. To actually wear it under the poncho.
Double sided steel snaps to match the snaps on the poncho.
Also has built in bungee cords an the bottom of the front an back so it can be snapped to the poncho u see it when it’s set up as a hammock. An the ends can be cinched in with the built in cord. To become a full length hammock underquilt.
Also sells a bugnet that slides over it.
And a top quilt if needed
And a ultralight tarp or can use a second poncho.
An best of all. Sewn on tag. MADE IN THE USA. not some Chinese thrown together poncho.
But something bombproof in quality.
Own a bunch of his gear. Few ponchos liners an things. An been way past impressed with all of it.
Kudos for very useful, unbiased, intelligent assessments of products you have actual used in the field. Something of a rarity in YT reviews of any kind! Best in 2022.
I would get the U.S. military poncho and venerable poncho liner. You can't go wrong there.
As well as the Helikon-Tex version being smaller, it's only about 3.5 ounces (100g) lighter than the real deal. I've had 2 genuine surplus USGI woodland camo ponchos since 2013 when I replaced my old 1970s vintage British Army 58 pattern ponchos as the waterproof backing and taped seams were flaking and detaching. I can't remember what vintage the USGI ones are, but they were unmarked and are still in great condition. Another plus is that any NATO country's military will almost certainly pair up with another NATO country's issue as they're a standard size with standard stud/snap spacing. I made up a Baker style tent with the two USGI ponchos in half pyramids, supported on trekking pole with one of my old 58s studded to both in the centre forming a door/awning.
True military spec ponchos will last you decades, if not a lifetime.
They can meet the measurements for a couple reasons. First and foremost it's pretty much on par with every other civilian maker poncho you're going to find out there; USGI, Arcturus etc. Second it was designed specifically to work with the Swagman roll so if they went true military size there would be compatibility issues.
Also, while perhaps a coincidence, if your terrain has a lot of elevation changes a shorter poncho is actually a blessing because you don't have to worry about stepping in it.
I have a big ole poncho I got at Aldi... It's lined with a fleece blanket lining.
My family and I are HUGE fans of your channel!! Thank you for being there and being OUT THERE-in ALL elements!! What is a reliable, honest and reasonable source for authentic military surplus items??
Upon more thinking of my time in the Army I believe Luke missed an important point and that this poncho actually gives fine protection. A Military issue poncho is designed to keep a soldier covered when wearing their Ruck sack and the rest of their gear (helmet, plate carrier, LBE, etc) *under* the poncho. That means you need extra length because the Poncho is going to "ride up" *a lot.* Heck with just a helmet on your pocho "rides up" well over an inch. I would suspect a civilian with a day pack, or civilian backpacking pack, would have the same coverage with this poncho because there is so much less "riding up" as they are going to be carrying so much less gear under it. The full purpose of a piece of kit needs to be addressed .
That said the poncho actually lines up fairly decently with the tieouts of their 3x3 Supertarp as well. You can make a fine Baker style tent with the tarp in an Adirondack configuration and the poncho then added length wise on the "beak" side. Probably a coincidence but its a nice feature.
I remember my military poncho in basic only coming to my calf (and I’m average height). Marching in that thing was miserable as the water made your lower leg sopping wet. Maybe they made them bigger later but by that time I was wearing Gortex and only sleeping under the newer M81 colored poncho.
As a 6' tall human, ive always preferred a poncho that stops around my knees. If it were any longer it would be prone to snag, and become a tripping hazard.
The arcturus poncho is ripstop nylon, and it's bigger as well. It also folds up smaller
I’ve got one same .. it’s perfect .don’t want it longer .. cheers buddy cheers Chris & Sam
Thank you Luke for your detailed veiw on this poncho, i especially like that you are taking into account much bigger/ taller people when talking about items and what may work for one person will be terrible for bigger/ taller people..... (and this how reviews should be - great for 5'6" terrible for 6' plus) - as always much appreciated brother.
Thanks for great review. As I’m 5’3” and shrinking from old age, it just might be perfect for me. 🥴😂😂
Helikon is based in Poland so It would seem this product is based off possibly the polish ponchos, not US. In addition to the surplus line, they also have a Patrol line among others. Doing more research with less ethnocentrism involved might be beneficial in the future.
I noticed that too.
Another helpful and thorough review. Thanks Luke!
This seems like a pretty nice product for the price for humid and rainy conditions. For more money a Gatewood Cape or MLD poncho tarp would be superior but at $30ish this is a good deal. I like the size, it is made for hiking and you wouldn't want anything below your knees. As long as the lap area is covered, this works in humid and rainy conditions. If it's cray cold or windy, waterproof pants are superior but for the Appalachian trail for example, this should work fine while providing good ventilation.
I have the Gatewood Cape and IMO it sucks as a poncho but make a great shelter. I had to do a lot of seem sealing to use it as a poncho and it fits like crap..
hi from Japan. what a nice clip! liked it.😊 i meant to buy it as a military product, but turns out not. though i found out the fact, i still like it for its cheap price and lighter weight. after it gets tear down, new poncho would be the real one.
i want to see your review for the real us military poncho next time.
It works, it comes in many camouflage patterns/colours. It's lightweight,easy to carry and versatile (it wroks as a tarp and works with the Swangmanrol liner, which is another wonderful product of that company. Price is good, nothing wrong with the product.
Appreciate your reviews alot, just recently purchased a navy surplus goretex parka and pants never issued for 100 bucks on ebay thanks to your recommending them in previous videos
I think the length is fine. As long as it's just past the knees; gaiters take care of the rest... What I don't like, is how tight the Swagman is as a sleeping bag. If that was wider; then so would the Poncho have to be... A lot of people have commented on this. If they fix it, I'll buy a Swagman... and would happily update to a wider Poncho to fit it...
I like this poncho. You don't step on. You can use gaiters with it. Compatible with Swagman Roll. You can buy it in Pencott camo.
Thanks for a clear, thorough report. Especially the length versus your height. Good information for someone, me, who is 6’+. Have not considered snaps and material strength until now. And, you still emphasized several pros for it. Thank you. By the way, I thought I was subscribed. I am now.
Watched one of your stealth camping vids. Lots of good info there. Keep up the good work.
Great product various uses obviously to me a think it’s short to prevent trip hazard on inclines and one of the primary uses is to hunker down and sit inclement weather out
Hi Luke, i have this Ponco too in Pencott. I have never used it, because i have a Ponco from Commando Industries in Woodland Camo with the same size, but it is not so heavy like the helikon tex.
Helikon-tex Polish infantry jacket. I took it out of the package, equipped it, pulled the waist cinch and one of the cinch cords disconnected at one end. I had to sew it back in.
I recently purchased one of the surplus ponchos. It’ll be interesting to see how it compares with this.
Spot on . Great honest review . All the best 👍
Savotta makes an outstanding poncho, they have 2 sizes plus the corners have webbing loops, so much better to make a shelter with and not worrying about tearing out grommets. Thanks cool hand
Thanks..there's a lot of junk out there ...your reviews are appreciated
Perfect timing I have been looking at these and their matching liners, ty.
As someone who is 2 meters tall. Ive yet to find any poncho that can cover more than 2/3 of the my body.
Being short myself this makes it more suited to my build, glad this was pointed out.
One thing that’s very noticeable is how noisey that fabric is, microphone exaggerating it or is it that crinkly.
Nice compact size makes it one that you would carry rather than leave at home.
I've just bought this poncho. I'm 5' 9". I don't mind the length. If I'm using this I'll probably be using it with waterproof trousers or gaiters. I'm happy with it, especially the internal cordage. I have a biggish head and the head space is not a problem. I got this for unexpected downpours when I can pull this on over a day pack and stay dry. The hood cinches in tight. Yes, its not military grade as you point out which begs the question, why didn't you buy a military surplus poncho rather than this?
Thanks for the review. I've been eyeing this poncho for a while and while the length wouldn't be a problem as I'm kind of short, I have a shockingly large cranium that probably won't fit through the head hole.
I use Glad force flex with gain original scent.
All your points are true and valid. I like mine, but would I buy it again? No. My arms stick out and my shirt/jacket cuffs get soaking wet!
I use a similar sized poncho diff brand. Legnth comes to about below knees Im 6"5'. But TBH I don't care. I got me a pair of full legnth zip MPV British rain pants. Winning combination. You get air from sides of poncho and open leg zips to ventilate while walking between showers. MPV pants, full legnth 2 way zip means acess to pockets at top and be able to go to knee to ventialte as above. Best of all, real quik to get into zip up regardless of what boots size you wear. Hell you could even be wearing gumboots and put them on
Their website says the short side of the poncho is 145 centimeters. If the fabric they use is available in 1.5 meter widths, this would explain why one side of the poncho is shorter than the true US poncho; 150cm of fabric with 2.5cm/1inch of trim and hem on each side equals 145cm. And if that one dimension is 4" shorter than the US military poncho, perhaps they made the other side of their poncho shorter by the same amount to match.
I used this thing to hike 5 miles in a tropical storm. I'm 5,11" and covering my pack made this poncho really short. It was a good thing I was hiking out to my car when the storm came because I got soaked. Ever since then I only use rain jackets.
But your pack was dry wasn't it..... that's the main function of a military poncho, not comfort, not to keep you 100% dry....the military issues rain jackets/ pants for that in addition to the poncho
@@kurtrussell5228 My pack was soaked. However, I was solo and that is something worth mentioning. Trying to get a poncho over your pack and make sure it is covering everything is very difficult when you are solo. It's a better option when you have other people with you (military) that can help out and make sure it is covering your backside.
My father had one when I was younger we all (7 children) argued to be able to wear it so we all had to take turns, we liked it best in winter we would use while shoveling snow while it was snowing and windy we did not the wind as much, that's how his fit us while we were younger but he was shorter than we were LOL
My favorite poncho of late is the huncho brand poncho and liner.
Your view on this military equipment is understandable, but I think you judge them from a too civilian, too trail-hiking perspective. I think a reasonable shortness of a poncho is a big advantage in the deep woods, off-trail! Longer Ponchos slow you down and it's real noisy when your toes almost touch the textile or when it tears through bushes and thorns. I hate the feeling of almost tripping or getting entangled in branches when it's too long. I get your point about your feet not being optimally protected from rain, but once you walk through thick bush off the trail, no matter how long the poncho, your feet get wet if your shoes don't manage wetness, no poncho in the world would make a difference to that.
I also understand your point about it being a small shelter. When I set mine up for the first time, I thought "oh no, that's a joke" and I'm really short for a guy. But once again, looking at it from a rather tactical-survival point of view instead of civilian everyday hiking, it is super low-profile, very hard to spot, just right for non-permissive environments.
Hot damn! At 4ft 8 in tall. Finally a poncho that would work for me, Shootdang! Thank you for sharing.
I used ponchos like that when i was in job corp and later when i was in the army that is a standard size
Great review! Interesting product. But what is that blue jacket you are wearing? That looks very good and comfortable too!
All ponchos: get and use rain trousers with a poncho. Consider snow or rain leggings to keep your shoes or boots from getting water in from the poncho. The poncho sheds water to the outsides of your calf and it goes downhill.
Makes a great tarp cover for bad weather too
You look and sound exactly like Eric laden I literally had to look it up I was like this guy got a spot on the show Ozark
I just brought one but haven't tried it yet so appreciate your review . I am short so that's Cool it is suited for shorties . God Bless
I carry this poncho in my smock (Leo Kohler KSK), and few times it saved my butt from getting drenched by summer storm.
Terrific review - how it should be done; no waffle. Many thanks. Blessings, from England.
I think it’s so small because quality hiking/military gear is waterproof. If your wearing waterproof pants and shoes your all good and you’ll have better mobility in it
If this is a military style poncho then I think you need to look at it differently. It’s not so much about total comfort meanwhile it protects “most” of you and your pack (underneath the poncho) where most of your gear is. In the military I camped and slept, for a short time, in my poncho while sitting on my pack. I love poncho’s but it’s what you’re used too.
A new Angolian Woodland surplus poncho can be found for the same price and is an EXACT SAME as the USGI including the materials!
I have the woodland camo version and in my opinion is better than any poncho I have ever been issued in my military career
Hi Lucas and Susie,
Could you do video on gear thats the "best bang for the buck"? (In your opinion) and what we can expect to pay? I'd love to know your favorite gear too.
Thx!!
Luke, when you wore it compared to it folded in half on the ground, whether you had the hood on or off the back looked shorter than the front.
I still have my snugpak patrol ponchos they work great for me and the wife on rain elk hunting days
Hmm, that is very small for a shelter. I do have another brands surplus poncho, but it's rather heavy and it's also small & not good quality as the eyelets tend to pull out when guyed out. I think it may be for cadets. It's quite heavy & I got tired or carrying it around. So I replaced it in my kit with a DD Superlight Tarp S. While this is not a poncho, it's an emergency item for say an unplanned overnight shelter or it can be worn as a cloak in the event of unexpected rainstorm. If rain is expected, I take wet weathers, but the tarp can be worn as a hooded cloak in the event of an expected rain burst, it's 2.8m (110.2in) x 1.5m (59.1in), 290g (10.2 oz), which is a lot roomier & more practical emergency shelter option & I have had no issues with the tie-outs at all.
As far as size goes, it may not be a direct 'let's just make it smaller' issue, but could have a lot to do with what size material they begin with and how many they can get per roll of said material. Cutting down on manufacturer end shipping costs and wasted material is a big factor may people don't consider, and they may order it based on roll width being just over what they need to make the poncho, getting as many of that size into a container for shipping, then only having to make a few cuts to get the finished product out the door. Works like that in a lot of industries, and in the long run the average buyer won't notice it being four inches smaller than military issue.
Thinking with a sewing machine and some spare time. We could make our own poncho. Buy, the best materials. Add features that we want. That would be an interesting project.
Thanks for the review. I've been wanting to replace my surplus poncho with a black one. It was either going to be the Helicon Tex or one made by fire force. I'll go with the fire force.
Add the swag man and the poncho makes a great ranger roll sleep system. Outstanding job Luke thanks.