I'm quite short and like this poncho, it defo helps when on the trail as it doesn't snag as much as the bigger ones, it's small enough to keep in your jacket pocket and I carry a 2nd one in the rucksack to clip together for shelter. For me £29 for one it's certainly a very good buy and once clipped together make a very good sized shelter
It's not always bad when a poncho isn't that long. When hiking in the mountains, you run the risk of constantly stepping on the poncho if it is too long.
@Frontline Owl Huh??? Umm I've worn out countless pairs of jungle boots humpin an Alice ruck in the Army and we definitely wore the poncho over the ruck.....everybody did, why wouldn't you?
What you have there is your standard poncho. I’ve worked outside for over 25 years and always wore a poncho. From my experience you don’t want a poncho to go all the way down to your feet. You’ll be tripping over it all night long.
There are nice solutions where you can kinda tuck it up on the inside and there's a button to hold it secured. It's a particularly good feature on the back in case of backpacking - this way you can either wear the poncho alone without tripping but have one less piece of gear to worry about and you don't have to take the backpack off to put the rainbag over it
A poncho is meant for 2/3 coverage. If you want full coverage you wear pants. A full length poncho in the woods would be a nightmare. Personally, I’d rather it be too short than too long.
I am 6'0" and this poncho fits me well and is serving me for more than 2 years now. You don't trip. I used some water repellent spray on the outside. My Karrimor Sabre45 fits perfectly under it even with the side pockets and filled to the brim. If its pouring you should be prepared with gaiters anyway.
It’s often hard to find gear that actually fits us shorter people, since I don’t like tripping while wearing a too long poncho. It works great in my hunting pack along with a swagman for quick insulation.
It is hard to find clothes/gear that fits normal height guys that stand 6'2" and are thin from avoiding soy. Most clothing is sized for short soylent eaters.
Hello ...I'm trying to visualize how the roll and poncho attach , I have the roll and am considering the poncho . How often do you combine them or would you go back and pick one over the other ?
I'm a military vet, and the length serves it's purpose. It's not meant to go closer to the ground. The poncho is not meant to give 100% protection, but to shed the rain off of your upper body. Everything else you mentioned is correct, but the length is accurate. Taller people will not have as much protection, and that's how it is in the military. Vital parts of your body are protected, and that's the only purpose. Your feet are another issue, but not determined by the poncho. It's meant to cover your upper body and gear on your back, and that's it. We're you in the military? is my question. That poncho length does meet military standards, and that's it. Your feet health is met by your chang of socks and hygiene. Boot covers and gators will assist greatly, and that's what's meant to compensate for the length of the poncho.
I’ve found that a poncho is the dumbest designed garment ever invented. You WILL get wet wearing this rain gear. Not wearing it saves time. Courtesy of Half Vast Flying
The ponchos I was issued in the army were worn out reissued junk. My first impressions were not good. I quickly realized that some gear I had to buy myself.
I am 5’9” and it fits perfectly. It is designed to work in conjunction with their Swagman roll, it sort of buckles together providing either an improvised sleeping system or warmer outershell, with Swagman trapping body heat and poncho being the waterproof part (Swagman in itself is water-resistant but not water-proof). The best part of this poncho is that it can also work as tarp, albeit a small one, lol :D.
I agree 100%. I bought 3 of these from Amazon in different colors thinking they would be like my 2 military issue ponchos. No way José. I use these ponchos in my car for emergency knock about rain gear only in a pinch. The head holes barley fit my head and for using them as a tarp, forget about it. I went back to my military surplus ponchos instead, when I am camping or backpacking. I would never trust my life to these ponchos, like I have with my military issue ones. I carry a military issue poncho and have used it as a tarp on many occasions in severe rain, wind, and snow, both when I was in the Marine Corps and as a retiree. I never had a problem with the original military issue. Great honest review Luke. Thanks.
boy i wish you had come out with this video a year ago when I bought the Helikon-Tex poncho. because I agree with everything you said and, while i don't hate it, it is not what i was looking for. thank you for doing what you do!
I'm 5'8", and I have NEVER had a poncho reach any lower on my legs than the one your showing here. Personally, I'd think a poncho that reaches my feet would be just too damn big, I don't want to wear a tarp, and if I'm worried about my feet getting wet, then either I wear waterproof boots, or I don't go out in the rain...it's that simple
I think the biggest concern here is the potential issues that arise if you wanted to wear it over a large rucksack. But even then, I don't see an issue because a rucksack is gonna create an umbrella effect for the back of your legs and even improve airflow.
I use this poncho primarily as shelter (I live in the desert), but when I expect to use it as a poncho, I am also wearing my hunters muck boots and tru spec trousers, so I am generally well protected. I am 5'9". I also use it with the swagman roll if I'm using a "ranger burrito" configuration. Great poncho, and great points in your video!
Luke as always this was a great review. I Especially appreciate you mentioning your height because it helps me put what I see on the screen in context. I've never heard you reference your height before and I've wondered about that as I'm a taller guy. I know you're diligent in your reviews and keep other body sizes in mind in your review videos but it still helps me to know your height as well. I suggest mentioning your height more consistently. Thanks for all the fabulous work you do.
I've had this poncho and used it for 2 years with no problems. I'm a short dude (170 cm) so the size fits perfectly, backpack or no backpack, the protection is very decent and never once tripped over it (forests here are full of snags so that's an achievement). I use it as a groundsheet with a dedicated tarp over my head and the material handled it flawlessly so far. The head opening problem is legit but never occurred to me, guess I'm not big brained.
In my opinion, it’s better to have a shorter poncho paired with gaiters so that you can walk over obstacles easier. Second, polyester doesn’t soak up water like nylon and though it may not be as durable as nylon it’s negligible. A thorn ripping poly would rip nylon as well. As long as it’s ripstop fabric and you carry duct tape you’re good. 7 feet length is enough for a rain shelter if it’s low to the ground.
35mph winds.. sideways rain.. and my roof started leaking.. thank goodness I had this!! Threw it on!! Got my ladder and tarp.. and went on the roof.. laid the tarp down.. secured it.. boom!! I was dry... and stopped my roof from leaking more!! The poncho dried fast!! I'm so glad I got this!! Well worth it!
I'm very grateful for the detailed and complete review. Well done. For me durability and protection are paramount. Thanks for mentioning the snaps. I'm now a fan.
Luke, I think you’re right. It’s a bit small. I’m 5’10”, so, it’ll be even smaller on me. AND I like the head/neck opening to be comfortably big, for breath ability, letting the body heat and transpiration outside. I also like to use it as a tarp and/or a ground sheet. Thanks, Luke, SAH. Texas
I bought a cheap backpacking poncho four years ago for $12. I use it every summer during the rainy season in Florida. It works great and it’s over sized.
Kudos for very useful, unbiased, intelligent assessments of products you have actual used in the field. Something of a rarity in YT reviews of any kind! Best in 2022.
I'm 5'3 so this'll work fine for the rainy season. I use my issued poncho for camping. I'm going to guess that HT made short ponchos for stomping around the bush and not getting snagged or tripping. Anything longer I'd use in town or doing work in the yard. I made the mistake of using a poncho in the field to cover myself and pack and I kept stepping on the bottom and falling. A shorter version would've been better. I'm not concerned about dry legs, just torso and pack.
I've had mine for 3 years now. I'm 5'7" tall and i would not mind it being a bit shorter. Maybe in your geographical area having a poncho that touches the ground is workable. It is not in mine. My woods are covered in vines, boulders, rocks and a longer poncho would snag, drag, and not last very long on the bottom edge in the saw briars, cat briars, and blackberry bushes that are everywhere here. You stay on those manicured trails and thin woods of yours and you'll be fine in your military poncho. I still have my OG woobie but I ditched my military poncho after snagging it one too many times. TO each their own.
I was literally just researching differences between this and the true USGI one as your vid popped up. Trying to find another surplus woodland one to join to my issued one for shelter. Thanks for this, Luke. Think I'll keep hunting for a surplus one.
Despite differences what is made from (nylon vs polyester), Helikon's poncho is more like rectangle nor square'ish like US GI poncho (210x145mm vs 220x165mm).
i have one. i like it. (though to be fair, I've not had any others) i agree it's not super big (but had no idea it was simply "modelled" on the usa one). used it as a tarp shelter on an 2-day walk. held up ok, but was not super windy, rainy or anything. worked ok during a rain/sleet shower and covered my backpack, but left legs etc exposed. hey-ho. still throw it in my day bag when going out, since it's small and easy to carry and it's better to be dry than wet (even if partly)
As a 6' tall human, ive always preferred a poncho that stops around my knees. If it were any longer it would be prone to snag, and become a tripping hazard.
Honestly to me Being 5'7" I would still consider that a full coverage poncho. As it is meant to be paired with boots which would solve feet protection and as for hands they are suppose to be slightly exposed so the material doesn't get in the way while doing work, you can always pull your arms in and have full upper body protection from head to below the knee but if it was too much longer people would trip over the excess material. Its suppose to be an emergency shelter if needed and if you measure it in Plow point configuration Diagonally it drastically increases size of cover.
Thank you Luke for your detailed veiw on this poncho, i especially like that you are taking into account much bigger/ taller people when talking about items and what may work for one person will be terrible for bigger/ taller people..... (and this how reviews should be - great for 5'6" terrible for 6' plus) - as always much appreciated brother.
My family and I are HUGE fans of your channel!! Thank you for being there and being OUT THERE-in ALL elements!! What is a reliable, honest and reasonable source for authentic military surplus items??
@@poolee77 That sounds reasonable. I don't pretend to have one from every manufacturer to every win the government contract, or for every year they've been issued. But this coment got me off my lazy butt and out to the shed where I dug out every poncho I have ever owned ( _save one lost to the Youghiogheny River back in '91_ ). Results: USGI issued to me in 1989 - 86"x63" USGI surplus bought 1995 - 86"x64" Helikon Tex. - 85"x57" WalMart RealTree Camo - 87"x57"
It should be said, that the size of the hood is designed to accommodate a helmet when styled after a military design. I wish the manufacturers would stop this and design them more for civilian use which seldom require such a large hood!
Seems odd that they would leave the hood big enough for a helmet, but not make the neck opening big enough to slip over one. I'm extra interested in this due to the helmet compatibility, but having to remove the helmet to put it on is a downside.
Every time I consider buying a outdoor product I always check this channel for a review on it to see if it holds true. For example I wanted to buy the bushcraft fire plug and seeing how you proved them wrong on their claims was a major factor in my decision. Thank you luke!!
Appreciate your reviews alot, just recently purchased a navy surplus goretex parka and pants never issued for 100 bucks on ebay thanks to your recommending them in previous videos
I wouldn't particularly want a longer poncho. I'm 5"11 and it works fine. If there's bad weather forecast I'd take waterproof legs anyway. With this poncho you'd probably be fine with just a pair of gaiters for the lower legs. NO issues with the head hole. I was carrying my dog under it one day in a sling bag and no problem tucking my head in to check on her. It's good for using as a tent footprint and emergency raincoat to save carrying one when there's enough with camping gear as it is. Highly recommend this poncho, and the Swagman Roll too. Get both you'll be happy with the purchase.
I have that one myself. And I like that it's not bigger. Since I am only 169 cm I step on the poncho if it's longer. My Swedish M90 pants I always wear are well impregnated that they become dry very quickly anyway. 😁 Love your channel Luke 🙂 /Johan, Stockholm, Sweden
They can meet the measurements for a couple reasons. First and foremost it's pretty much on par with every other civilian maker poncho you're going to find out there; USGI, Arcturus etc. Second it was designed specifically to work with the Swagman roll so if they went true military size there would be compatibility issues. Also, while perhaps a coincidence, if your terrain has a lot of elevation changes a shorter poncho is actually a blessing because you don't have to worry about stepping in it.
I remember my military poncho in basic only coming to my calf (and I’m average height). Marching in that thing was miserable as the water made your lower leg sopping wet. Maybe they made them bigger later but by that time I was wearing Gortex and only sleeping under the newer M81 colored poncho.
Upon more thinking of my time in the Army I believe Luke missed an important point and that this poncho actually gives fine protection. A Military issue poncho is designed to keep a soldier covered when wearing their Ruck sack and the rest of their gear (helmet, plate carrier, LBE, etc) *under* the poncho. That means you need extra length because the Poncho is going to "ride up" *a lot.* Heck with just a helmet on your pocho "rides up" well over an inch. I would suspect a civilian with a day pack, or civilian backpacking pack, would have the same coverage with this poncho because there is so much less "riding up" as they are going to be carrying so much less gear under it. The full purpose of a piece of kit needs to be addressed . That said the poncho actually lines up fairly decently with the tieouts of their 3x3 Supertarp as well. You can make a fine Baker style tent with the tarp in an Adirondack configuration and the poncho then added length wise on the "beak" side. Probably a coincidence but its a nice feature.
hi from Japan. what a nice clip! liked it.😊 i meant to buy it as a military product, but turns out not. though i found out the fact, i still like it for its cheap price and lighter weight. after it gets tear down, new poncho would be the real one. i want to see your review for the real us military poncho next time.
Thanks for a clear, thorough report. Especially the length versus your height. Good information for someone, me, who is 6’+. Have not considered snaps and material strength until now. And, you still emphasized several pros for it. Thank you. By the way, I thought I was subscribed. I am now. Watched one of your stealth camping vids. Lots of good info there. Keep up the good work.
I only roll with the wilderness innovation ponchos because they can be hammocks, chairs, and everything else this poncho can do. I find the wilderness innovation stuff to be incredibly high quality
It works, it comes in many camouflage patterns/colours. It's lightweight,easy to carry and versatile (it wroks as a tarp and works with the Swangmanrol liner, which is another wonderful product of that company. Price is good, nothing wrong with the product.
Helikon-tex Polish infantry jacket. I took it out of the package, equipped it, pulled the waist cinch and one of the cinch cords disconnected at one end. I had to sew it back in.
Savotta makes an outstanding poncho, they have 2 sizes plus the corners have webbing loops, so much better to make a shelter with and not worrying about tearing out grommets. Thanks cool hand
As well as the Helikon-Tex version being smaller, it's only about 3.5 ounces (100g) lighter than the real deal. I've had 2 genuine surplus USGI woodland camo ponchos since 2013 when I replaced my old 1970s vintage British Army 58 pattern ponchos as the waterproof backing and taped seams were flaking and detaching. I can't remember what vintage the USGI ones are, but they were unmarked and are still in great condition. Another plus is that any NATO country's military will almost certainly pair up with another NATO country's issue as they're a standard size with standard stud/snap spacing. I made up a Baker style tent with the two USGI ponchos in half pyramids, supported on trekking pole with one of my old 58s studded to both in the centre forming a door/awning. True military spec ponchos will last you decades, if not a lifetime.
This seems like a pretty nice product for the price for humid and rainy conditions. For more money a Gatewood Cape or MLD poncho tarp would be superior but at $30ish this is a good deal. I like the size, it is made for hiking and you wouldn't want anything below your knees. As long as the lap area is covered, this works in humid and rainy conditions. If it's cray cold or windy, waterproof pants are superior but for the Appalachian trail for example, this should work fine while providing good ventilation.
I have the Gatewood Cape and IMO it sucks as a poncho but make a great shelter. I had to do a lot of seem sealing to use it as a poncho and it fits like crap..
I ve been using this poncho for about 5 years! Until it died😢. Used it in forestry , fishing, camping and it is a good product ! If it would be longer it will be unconfortable in rought terrain, even dangerous! Lenght is good, i would preffer it a bit wider... recomand this poncho for civilian easy ro medium usage.
Hi Luke, i have this Ponco too in Pencott. I have never used it, because i have a Ponco from Commando Industries in Woodland Camo with the same size, but it is not so heavy like the helikon tex.
The Wilderness innovations poncho is the way to go. Different weight an types of materials an patterns or solids. Ultra light weight or 50-60% dyneema blend fabric. 12 webbing tie outs around it. To make a tent/tarp out of it. All the double sided metal snaps like the US poncho. Built in dyneema cord to be turned into a instant hammock. Can have optional sleeve extensions added to it. Can have an optional hoodie like pocket added to it. The poncho liner he sells has multiple colors/patters. Can choose the weight of the Apex insulation it’s made with. Has the head hole. To actually wear it under the poncho. Double sided steel snaps to match the snaps on the poncho. Also has built in bungee cords an the bottom of the front an back so it can be snapped to the poncho u see it when it’s set up as a hammock. An the ends can be cinched in with the built in cord. To become a full length hammock underquilt. Also sells a bugnet that slides over it. And a top quilt if needed And a ultralight tarp or can use a second poncho. An best of all. Sewn on tag. MADE IN THE USA. not some Chinese thrown together poncho. But something bombproof in quality. Own a bunch of his gear. Few ponchos liners an things. An been way past impressed with all of it.
My father had one when I was younger we all (7 children) argued to be able to wear it so we all had to take turns, we liked it best in winter we would use while shoveling snow while it was snowing and windy we did not the wind as much, that's how his fit us while we were younger but he was shorter than we were LOL
I've just bought this poncho. I'm 5' 9". I don't mind the length. If I'm using this I'll probably be using it with waterproof trousers or gaiters. I'm happy with it, especially the internal cordage. I have a biggish head and the head space is not a problem. I got this for unexpected downpours when I can pull this on over a day pack and stay dry. The hood cinches in tight. Yes, its not military grade as you point out which begs the question, why didn't you buy a military surplus poncho rather than this?
I think the length is fine. As long as it's just past the knees; gaiters take care of the rest... What I don't like, is how tight the Swagman is as a sleeping bag. If that was wider; then so would the Poncho have to be... A lot of people have commented on this. If they fix it, I'll buy a Swagman... and would happily update to a wider Poncho to fit it...
Helikon is based in Poland so It would seem this product is based off possibly the polish ponchos, not US. In addition to the surplus line, they also have a Patrol line among others. Doing more research with less ethnocentrism involved might be beneficial in the future.
Great product various uses obviously to me a think it’s short to prevent trip hazard on inclines and one of the primary uses is to hunker down and sit inclement weather out
I use a similar sized poncho diff brand. Legnth comes to about below knees Im 6"5'. But TBH I don't care. I got me a pair of full legnth zip MPV British rain pants. Winning combination. You get air from sides of poncho and open leg zips to ventilate while walking between showers. MPV pants, full legnth 2 way zip means acess to pockets at top and be able to go to knee to ventialte as above. Best of all, real quik to get into zip up regardless of what boots size you wear. Hell you could even be wearing gumboots and put them on
Thanks for the review. I've been eyeing this poncho for a while and while the length wouldn't be a problem as I'm kind of short, I have a shockingly large cranium that probably won't fit through the head hole.
I used this thing to hike 5 miles in a tropical storm. I'm 5,11" and covering my pack made this poncho really short. It was a good thing I was hiking out to my car when the storm came because I got soaked. Ever since then I only use rain jackets.
But your pack was dry wasn't it..... that's the main function of a military poncho, not comfort, not to keep you 100% dry....the military issues rain jackets/ pants for that in addition to the poncho
@@kurtrussell5228 My pack was soaked. However, I was solo and that is something worth mentioning. Trying to get a poncho over your pack and make sure it is covering everything is very difficult when you are solo. It's a better option when you have other people with you (military) that can help out and make sure it is covering your backside.
I didn’t realise till watching your vid then going to play around with it , the popper are a double stacker so you you can fold it across you and pop each side together I have a nightmare in the wind first time I used it 😂
Welcome to the ‘Military’. That’s just how things are in the ‘Military’ sometimes. Its a standard issue bit of kit ,made protect the upper body when raining/adverse weather and to provide a shelter from it in the form of a small Tarp. I suggest If one wants more than those very basic reasons,that they buy a ‘civilian’ produced one instead. I served 18 years as an Infantry Soldier in all kinds of extreme weather and mine served me just fine.
I bought the Onewind winter version a few months back and I’d be reluctant to take in out in anything but summer tbh, I’m a cold sleeper naturally so bare that in mind but that thing was COLD!
Thinking with a sewing machine and some spare time. We could make our own poncho. Buy, the best materials. Add features that we want. That would be an interesting project.
i just got a poncho form trespass its big got to ty it out yet i think i can use it to cover me rucksack when its on me wont need to take it of to put poncho on seem's good that nice vide to looking in form uk manchester
Thanks for the review. I've been wanting to replace my surplus poncho with a black one. It was either going to be the Helicon Tex or one made by fire force. I'll go with the fire force.
Nice Video, thank you. I use it for cycling. When I ride with my bike to the work. I use it in combination with rain pants. In that way it works well. Greetings
Could you do a review of the wilderness innovation poncho tent/hammock? I have wanted to get one but for the price I want it to work like it claims. Thanks
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I'm quite short and like this poncho, it defo helps when on the trail as it doesn't snag as much as the bigger ones, it's small enough to keep in your jacket pocket and I carry a 2nd one in the rucksack to clip together for shelter. For me £29 for one it's certainly a very good buy and once clipped together make a very good sized shelter
It's not always bad when a poncho isn't that long. When hiking in the mountains, you run the risk of constantly stepping on the poncho if it is too long.
100% I had to shorten up my poncho bush bashing through steeper inclines and descents on my last hike in the fall.
Yes, but they were originally designed to fit over a large ruck sack, this is where current products on the market literally fall short.
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@Frontline Owl Huh??? Umm I've worn out countless pairs of jungle boots humpin an Alice ruck in the Army and we definitely wore the poncho over the ruck.....everybody did, why wouldn't you?
can wear any belt or rope on the poncho that can help not dragging poncho
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How is wearing a belt going to make it shorter
What you have there is your standard poncho. I’ve worked outside for over 25 years and always wore a poncho. From my experience you don’t want a poncho to go all the way down to your feet. You’ll be tripping over it all night long.
There are nice solutions where you can kinda tuck it up on the inside and there's a button to hold it secured. It's a particularly good feature on the back in case of backpacking - this way you can either wear the poncho alone without tripping but have one less piece of gear to worry about and you don't have to take the backpack off to put the rainbag over it
A poncho is meant for 2/3 coverage. If you want full coverage you wear pants. A full length poncho in the woods would be a nightmare. Personally, I’d rather it be too short than too long.
I am 6'0" and this poncho fits me well and is serving me for more than 2 years now. You don't trip. I used some water repellent spray on the outside. My Karrimor Sabre45 fits perfectly under it even with the side pockets and filled to the brim. If its pouring you should be prepared with gaiters anyway.
It’s often hard to find gear that actually fits us shorter people, since I don’t like tripping while wearing a too long poncho. It works great in my hunting pack along with a swagman for quick insulation.
Yes, you look very short in your profile picture! :)
It is hard to find clothes/gear that fits normal height guys that stand 6'2" and are thin from avoiding soy. Most clothing is sized for short soylent eaters.
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@@kke LOL It’s an old picture! He’s was big enough last year to help me haul a bull caribou to a freighter canoe!
Hello ...I'm trying to visualize how the roll and poncho attach , I have the roll and am considering the poncho . How often do you combine them or would you go back and pick one over the other ?
I'm a military vet, and the length serves it's purpose. It's not meant to go closer to the ground. The poncho is not meant to give 100% protection, but to shed the rain off of your upper body. Everything else you mentioned is correct, but the length is accurate. Taller people will not have as much protection, and that's how it is in the military. Vital parts of your body are protected, and that's the only purpose. Your feet are another issue, but not determined by the poncho. It's meant to cover your upper body and gear on your back, and that's it. We're you in the military? is my question. That poncho length does meet military standards, and that's it. Your feet health is met by your chang of socks and hygiene. Boot covers and gators will assist greatly, and that's what's meant to compensate for the length of the poncho.
exactly right
'and that's how it is in the military'. No truer words. At 6'5" everything sucked 😂
I’ve found that a poncho is the dumbest designed garment ever invented. You WILL get wet wearing this rain gear. Not wearing it saves time.
Courtesy of Half Vast Flying
@@jackvoss5841you’ll get wet in any rain gear. I’ve wetted out our goretex top and bottoms in training. It just makes it suck a little less.
The ponchos I was issued in the army were worn out reissued junk. My first impressions were not good. I quickly realized that some gear I had to buy myself.
I am 5’9” and it fits perfectly. It is designed to work in conjunction with their Swagman roll, it sort of buckles together providing either an improvised sleeping system or warmer outershell, with Swagman trapping body heat and poncho being the waterproof part (Swagman in itself is water-resistant but not water-proof). The best part of this poncho is that it can also work as tarp, albeit a small one, lol :D.
I agree 100%. I bought 3 of these from Amazon in different colors thinking they would be like my 2 military issue ponchos. No way José. I use these ponchos in my car for emergency knock about rain gear only in a pinch. The head holes barley fit my head and for using them as a tarp, forget about it. I went back to my military surplus ponchos instead, when I am camping or backpacking. I would never trust my life to these ponchos, like I have with my military issue ones. I carry a military issue poncho and have used it as a tarp on many occasions in severe rain, wind, and snow, both when I was in the Marine Corps and as a retiree. I never had a problem with the original military issue. Great honest review Luke. Thanks.
boy i wish you had come out with this video a year ago when I bought the Helikon-Tex poncho. because I agree with everything you said and, while i don't hate it, it is not what i was looking for. thank you for doing what you do!
I'm 5'8", and I have NEVER had a poncho reach any lower on my legs than the one your showing here. Personally, I'd think a poncho that reaches my feet would be just too damn big, I don't want to wear a tarp, and if I'm worried about my feet getting wet, then either I wear waterproof boots, or I don't go out in the rain...it's that simple
I was scratching my head as well. I am 5’11” and never had poncho longer than just below my knees. The expectation is you’re going to wear rain pants.
I agree, i was confused with this review......
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can wear belt on the poncho. or any rope
I think the biggest concern here is the potential issues that arise if you wanted to wear it over a large rucksack. But even then, I don't see an issue because a rucksack is gonna create an umbrella effect for the back of your legs and even improve airflow.
I use this poncho primarily as shelter (I live in the desert), but when I expect to use it as a poncho, I am also wearing my hunters muck boots and tru spec trousers, so I am generally well protected. I am 5'9". I also use it with the swagman roll if I'm using a "ranger burrito" configuration. Great poncho, and great points in your video!
Luke as always this was a great review. I Especially appreciate you mentioning your height because it helps me put what I see on the screen in context. I've never heard you reference your height before and I've wondered about that as I'm a taller guy. I know you're diligent in your reviews and keep other body sizes in mind in your review videos but it still helps me to know your height as well. I suggest mentioning your height more consistently. Thanks for all the fabulous work you do.
I've had this poncho and used it for 2 years with no problems. I'm a short dude (170 cm) so the size fits perfectly, backpack or no backpack, the protection is very decent and never once tripped over it (forests here are full of snags so that's an achievement). I use it as a groundsheet with a dedicated tarp over my head and the material handled it flawlessly so far. The head opening problem is legit but never occurred to me, guess I'm not big brained.
In my opinion, it’s better to have a shorter poncho paired with gaiters so that you can walk over obstacles easier. Second, polyester doesn’t soak up water like nylon and though it may not be as durable as nylon it’s negligible. A thorn ripping poly would rip nylon as well. As long as it’s ripstop fabric and you carry duct tape you’re good. 7 feet length is enough for a rain shelter if it’s low to the ground.
Well put. Agreed.
35mph winds.. sideways rain.. and my roof started leaking.. thank goodness I had this!! Threw it on!! Got my ladder and tarp.. and went on the roof.. laid the tarp down.. secured it.. boom!! I was dry... and stopped my roof from leaking more!! The poncho dried fast!!
I'm so glad I got this!! Well worth it!
I love your brutal honesty. I watch all your reviews and love them.
I'm very grateful for the detailed and complete review. Well done. For me durability and protection are paramount. Thanks for mentioning the snaps. I'm now a fan.
Could you do a review of an actual military poncho and do a side by side comparison of a cheap nock off version? That would be interesting.
Agree!!! I would like to know what companies made, or still make the heavier nylon and rubber military versions.
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Yes please do this!
I think you popped some people's balloons. You're my go to guy for real deal honest reviews of camping and hiking equipment. Thx much!
Luke, I think you’re right. It’s a bit small. I’m 5’10”, so, it’ll be even smaller on me. AND I like the head/neck opening to be comfortably big, for breath ability, letting the body heat and transpiration outside. I also like to use it as a tarp and/or a ground sheet. Thanks, Luke, SAH. Texas
I bought a cheap backpacking poncho four years ago for $12. I use it every summer during the rainy season in Florida. It works great and it’s over sized.
What’s the name of that poncho & where did you buy it? I’m also in Florida
@@IAMGWH1 the company was called blue field
Kudos for very useful, unbiased, intelligent assessments of products you have actual used in the field. Something of a rarity in YT reviews of any kind! Best in 2022.
I'm 5'3 so this'll work fine for the rainy season. I use my issued poncho for camping. I'm going to guess that HT made short ponchos for stomping around the bush and not getting snagged or tripping. Anything longer I'd use in town or doing work in the yard. I made the mistake of using a poncho in the field to cover myself and pack and I kept stepping on the bottom and falling. A shorter version would've been better. I'm not concerned about dry legs, just torso and pack.
I've had mine for 3 years now. I'm 5'7" tall and i would not mind it being a bit shorter. Maybe in your geographical area having a poncho that touches the ground is workable. It is not in mine. My woods are covered in vines, boulders, rocks and a longer poncho would snag, drag, and not last very long on the bottom edge in the saw briars, cat briars, and blackberry bushes that are everywhere here. You stay on those manicured trails and thin woods of yours and you'll be fine in your military poncho. I still have my OG woobie but I ditched my military poncho after snagging it one too many times. TO each their own.
6'2" ....ill pass on that one 🤣 love the content as always. Much love from the UK 🇬🇧
I was literally just researching differences between this and the true USGI one as your vid popped up. Trying to find another surplus woodland one to join to my issued one for shelter. Thanks for this, Luke. Think I'll keep hunting for a surplus one.
Despite differences what is made from (nylon vs polyester), Helikon's poncho is more like rectangle nor square'ish like US GI poncho (210x145mm vs 220x165mm).
Hope you and the family are doing well Luke. Love the videos keep em coming bud, looking forward to the next one.👍
i have one. i like it. (though to be fair, I've not had any others) i agree it's not super big (but had no idea it was simply "modelled" on the usa one). used it as a tarp shelter on an 2-day walk. held up ok, but was not super windy, rainy or anything. worked ok during a rain/sleet shower and covered my backpack, but left legs etc exposed. hey-ho. still throw it in my day bag when going out, since it's small and easy to carry and it's better to be dry than wet (even if partly)
As a 6' tall human, ive always preferred a poncho that stops around my knees. If it were any longer it would be prone to snag, and become a tripping hazard.
Another helpful and thorough review. Thanks Luke!
Honestly to me Being 5'7" I would still consider that a full coverage poncho. As it is meant to be paired with boots which would solve feet protection and as for hands they are suppose to be slightly exposed so the material doesn't get in the way while doing work, you can always pull your arms in and have full upper body protection from head to below the knee but if it was too much longer people would trip over the excess material. Its suppose to be an emergency shelter if needed and if you measure it in Plow point configuration Diagonally it drastically increases size of cover.
Thanks for the review. I was considering this product. I am 6'0 Ft tall. You helped make up my mid. I will look for a model that better suits me.
Thank you Luke for your detailed veiw on this poncho, i especially like that you are taking into account much bigger/ taller people when talking about items and what may work for one person will be terrible for bigger/ taller people..... (and this how reviews should be - great for 5'6" terrible for 6' plus) - as always much appreciated brother.
My family and I are HUGE fans of your channel!! Thank you for being there and being OUT THERE-in ALL elements!! What is a reliable, honest and reasonable source for authentic military surplus items??
U.S. GI poncho dimensions are 88 x 60 inches. The Helikons are about on par with German or Belgian NATO ponchos size wise.
Negative. I have mine in front of me now with a FatMax 30'.
Mine measures at 80" x 64" - USGI. Who issued you yours and where?
@@8chohgee135depends on the supplier and the year. There has been variance in size over the years. Especially between M81 and UCP issued ones.
@@poolee77 That sounds reasonable. I don't pretend to have one from every manufacturer to every win the government contract, or for every year they've been issued. But this coment got me off my lazy butt and out to the shed where I dug out every poncho I have ever owned ( _save one lost to the Youghiogheny River back in '91_ ).
Results:
USGI issued to me in 1989 - 86"x63"
USGI surplus bought 1995 - 86"x64"
Helikon Tex. - 85"x57"
WalMart RealTree Camo - 87"x57"
The arcturus poncho is ripstop nylon, and it's bigger as well. It also folds up smaller
It should be said, that the size of the hood is designed to accommodate a helmet when styled after a military design.
I wish the manufacturers would stop this and design them more for civilian use which seldom require such a large hood!
Seems odd that they would leave the hood big enough for a helmet, but not make the neck opening big enough to slip over one. I'm extra interested in this due to the helmet compatibility, but having to remove the helmet to put it on is a downside.
I personally like a larger hood because it fits better over a boonie hat.
Every time I consider buying a outdoor product I always check this channel for a review on it to see if it holds true. For example I wanted to buy the bushcraft fire plug and seeing how you proved them wrong on their claims was a major factor in my decision. Thank you luke!!
Perfect timing I have been looking at these and their matching liners, ty.
Appreciate your reviews alot, just recently purchased a navy surplus goretex parka and pants never issued for 100 bucks on ebay thanks to your recommending them in previous videos
Spot on . Great honest review . All the best 👍
I wouldn't particularly want a longer poncho. I'm 5"11 and it works fine. If there's bad weather forecast I'd take waterproof legs anyway.
With this poncho you'd probably be fine with just a pair of gaiters for the lower legs.
NO issues with the head hole. I was carrying my dog under it one day in a sling bag and no problem tucking my head in to check on her.
It's good for using as a tent footprint and emergency raincoat to save carrying one when there's enough with camping gear as it is.
Highly recommend this poncho, and the Swagman Roll too. Get both you'll be happy with the purchase.
I have that one myself. And I like that it's not bigger. Since I am only 169 cm I step on the poncho if it's longer. My Swedish M90 pants I always wear are well impregnated that they become dry very quickly anyway. 😁
Love your channel Luke 🙂
/Johan, Stockholm, Sweden
They can meet the measurements for a couple reasons. First and foremost it's pretty much on par with every other civilian maker poncho you're going to find out there; USGI, Arcturus etc. Second it was designed specifically to work with the Swagman roll so if they went true military size there would be compatibility issues.
Also, while perhaps a coincidence, if your terrain has a lot of elevation changes a shorter poncho is actually a blessing because you don't have to worry about stepping in it.
I have a big ole poncho I got at Aldi... It's lined with a fleece blanket lining.
I remember my military poncho in basic only coming to my calf (and I’m average height). Marching in that thing was miserable as the water made your lower leg sopping wet. Maybe they made them bigger later but by that time I was wearing Gortex and only sleeping under the newer M81 colored poncho.
I would get the U.S. military poncho and venerable poncho liner. You can't go wrong there.
Upon more thinking of my time in the Army I believe Luke missed an important point and that this poncho actually gives fine protection. A Military issue poncho is designed to keep a soldier covered when wearing their Ruck sack and the rest of their gear (helmet, plate carrier, LBE, etc) *under* the poncho. That means you need extra length because the Poncho is going to "ride up" *a lot.* Heck with just a helmet on your pocho "rides up" well over an inch. I would suspect a civilian with a day pack, or civilian backpacking pack, would have the same coverage with this poncho because there is so much less "riding up" as they are going to be carrying so much less gear under it. The full purpose of a piece of kit needs to be addressed .
That said the poncho actually lines up fairly decently with the tieouts of their 3x3 Supertarp as well. You can make a fine Baker style tent with the tarp in an Adirondack configuration and the poncho then added length wise on the "beak" side. Probably a coincidence but its a nice feature.
hi from Japan. what a nice clip! liked it.😊 i meant to buy it as a military product, but turns out not. though i found out the fact, i still like it for its cheap price and lighter weight. after it gets tear down, new poncho would be the real one.
i want to see your review for the real us military poncho next time.
I sent mine back to Amazon and bought the Snugpak Patrol Poncho with sleeves instead. I keep my Frogg Toggs poncho in the car for emergencies.
Thanks for a clear, thorough report. Especially the length versus your height. Good information for someone, me, who is 6’+. Have not considered snaps and material strength until now. And, you still emphasized several pros for it. Thank you. By the way, I thought I was subscribed. I am now.
Watched one of your stealth camping vids. Lots of good info there. Keep up the good work.
I only roll with the wilderness innovation ponchos because they can be hammocks, chairs, and everything else this poncho can do. I find the wilderness innovation stuff to be incredibly high quality
More size options too.
@@joshavery4814 Yeah they do have a few different size options for sure
They don't want the mass populace to have the inside scoop and have higher quality gear
Great video Luke. Thanks for your good work. Love your videos bro.
It works, it comes in many camouflage patterns/colours. It's lightweight,easy to carry and versatile (it wroks as a tarp and works with the Swangmanrol liner, which is another wonderful product of that company. Price is good, nothing wrong with the product.
Helikon-tex Polish infantry jacket. I took it out of the package, equipped it, pulled the waist cinch and one of the cinch cords disconnected at one end. I had to sew it back in.
Terrific review - how it should be done; no waffle. Many thanks. Blessings, from England.
Savotta makes an outstanding poncho, they have 2 sizes plus the corners have webbing loops, so much better to make a shelter with and not worrying about tearing out grommets. Thanks cool hand
As well as the Helikon-Tex version being smaller, it's only about 3.5 ounces (100g) lighter than the real deal. I've had 2 genuine surplus USGI woodland camo ponchos since 2013 when I replaced my old 1970s vintage British Army 58 pattern ponchos as the waterproof backing and taped seams were flaking and detaching. I can't remember what vintage the USGI ones are, but they were unmarked and are still in great condition. Another plus is that any NATO country's military will almost certainly pair up with another NATO country's issue as they're a standard size with standard stud/snap spacing. I made up a Baker style tent with the two USGI ponchos in half pyramids, supported on trekking pole with one of my old 58s studded to both in the centre forming a door/awning.
True military spec ponchos will last you decades, if not a lifetime.
This seems like a pretty nice product for the price for humid and rainy conditions. For more money a Gatewood Cape or MLD poncho tarp would be superior but at $30ish this is a good deal. I like the size, it is made for hiking and you wouldn't want anything below your knees. As long as the lap area is covered, this works in humid and rainy conditions. If it's cray cold or windy, waterproof pants are superior but for the Appalachian trail for example, this should work fine while providing good ventilation.
I have the Gatewood Cape and IMO it sucks as a poncho but make a great shelter. I had to do a lot of seem sealing to use it as a poncho and it fits like crap..
Add the swag man and the poncho makes a great ranger roll sleep system. Outstanding job Luke thanks.
I ve been using this poncho for about 5 years! Until it died😢. Used it in forestry , fishing, camping and it is a good product ! If it would be longer it will be unconfortable in rought terrain, even dangerous! Lenght is good, i would preffer it a bit wider... recomand this poncho for civilian easy ro medium usage.
I just brought one but haven't tried it yet so appreciate your review . I am short so that's Cool it is suited for shorties . God Bless
I recently purchased one of the surplus ponchos. It’ll be interesting to see how it compares with this.
As someone who is 2 meters tall. Ive yet to find any poncho that can cover more than 2/3 of the my body.
Hi Luke, i have this Ponco too in Pencott. I have never used it, because i have a Ponco from Commando Industries in Woodland Camo with the same size, but it is not so heavy like the helikon tex.
The Wilderness innovations poncho is the way to go. Different weight an types of materials an patterns or solids. Ultra light weight or 50-60% dyneema blend fabric.
12 webbing tie outs around it. To make a tent/tarp out of it.
All the double sided metal snaps like the US poncho.
Built in dyneema cord to be turned into a instant hammock.
Can have optional sleeve extensions added to it.
Can have an optional hoodie like pocket added to it.
The poncho liner he sells has multiple colors/patters. Can choose the weight of the Apex insulation it’s made with.
Has the head hole. To actually wear it under the poncho.
Double sided steel snaps to match the snaps on the poncho.
Also has built in bungee cords an the bottom of the front an back so it can be snapped to the poncho u see it when it’s set up as a hammock. An the ends can be cinched in with the built in cord. To become a full length hammock underquilt.
Also sells a bugnet that slides over it.
And a top quilt if needed
And a ultralight tarp or can use a second poncho.
An best of all. Sewn on tag. MADE IN THE USA. not some Chinese thrown together poncho.
But something bombproof in quality.
Own a bunch of his gear. Few ponchos liners an things. An been way past impressed with all of it.
I’ve got one same .. it’s perfect .don’t want it longer .. cheers buddy cheers Chris & Sam
My father had one when I was younger we all (7 children) argued to be able to wear it so we all had to take turns, we liked it best in winter we would use while shoveling snow while it was snowing and windy we did not the wind as much, that's how his fit us while we were younger but he was shorter than we were LOL
I've just bought this poncho. I'm 5' 9". I don't mind the length. If I'm using this I'll probably be using it with waterproof trousers or gaiters. I'm happy with it, especially the internal cordage. I have a biggish head and the head space is not a problem. I got this for unexpected downpours when I can pull this on over a day pack and stay dry. The hood cinches in tight. Yes, its not military grade as you point out which begs the question, why didn't you buy a military surplus poncho rather than this?
Thanks for great review. As I’m 5’3” and shrinking from old age, it just might be perfect for me. 🥴😂😂
I think the length is fine. As long as it's just past the knees; gaiters take care of the rest... What I don't like, is how tight the Swagman is as a sleeping bag. If that was wider; then so would the Poncho have to be... A lot of people have commented on this. If they fix it, I'll buy a Swagman... and would happily update to a wider Poncho to fit it...
I use Glad force flex with gain original scent.
Hot damn! At 4ft 8 in tall. Finally a poncho that would work for me, Shootdang! Thank you for sharing.
Another excellent and informative post!
Thanks..there's a lot of junk out there ...your reviews are appreciated
Helikon is based in Poland so It would seem this product is based off possibly the polish ponchos, not US. In addition to the surplus line, they also have a Patrol line among others. Doing more research with less ethnocentrism involved might be beneficial in the future.
I noticed that too.
Great product various uses obviously to me a think it’s short to prevent trip hazard on inclines and one of the primary uses is to hunker down and sit inclement weather out
Great review. Look forward to the next adventure!
I carry this poncho in my smock (Leo Kohler KSK), and few times it saved my butt from getting drenched by summer storm.
I use a similar sized poncho diff brand. Legnth comes to about below knees Im 6"5'. But TBH I don't care. I got me a pair of full legnth zip MPV British rain pants. Winning combination. You get air from sides of poncho and open leg zips to ventilate while walking between showers. MPV pants, full legnth 2 way zip means acess to pockets at top and be able to go to knee to ventialte as above. Best of all, real quik to get into zip up regardless of what boots size you wear. Hell you could even be wearing gumboots and put them on
Unbelievable that a channel with reviews like this can have 665k subscribers.
Thanks for the review. I've been eyeing this poncho for a while and while the length wouldn't be a problem as I'm kind of short, I have a shockingly large cranium that probably won't fit through the head hole.
I used this thing to hike 5 miles in a tropical storm. I'm 5,11" and covering my pack made this poncho really short. It was a good thing I was hiking out to my car when the storm came because I got soaked. Ever since then I only use rain jackets.
But your pack was dry wasn't it..... that's the main function of a military poncho, not comfort, not to keep you 100% dry....the military issues rain jackets/ pants for that in addition to the poncho
@@kurtrussell5228 My pack was soaked. However, I was solo and that is something worth mentioning. Trying to get a poncho over your pack and make sure it is covering everything is very difficult when you are solo. It's a better option when you have other people with you (military) that can help out and make sure it is covering your backside.
I have the woodland camo version and in my opinion is better than any poncho I have ever been issued in my military career
I didn’t realise till watching your vid then going to play around with it , the popper are a double stacker so you you can fold it across you and pop each side together I have a nightmare in the wind first time I used it 😂
I still have my snugpak patrol ponchos they work great for me and the wife on rain elk hunting days
Luke, when you wore it compared to it folded in half on the ground, whether you had the hood on or off the back looked shorter than the front.
As usual, a good straight talking review 👍
Welcome to the ‘Military’. That’s just how things are in the ‘Military’ sometimes. Its a standard issue bit of kit ,made protect the upper body when raining/adverse weather and to provide a shelter from it in the form of a small Tarp. I suggest If one wants more than those very basic reasons,that they buy a ‘civilian’ produced one instead. I served 18 years as an Infantry Soldier in all kinds of extreme weather and mine served me just fine.
Good review. Useful info. Thanks
I bought the Onewind winter version a few months back and I’d be reluctant to take in out in anything but summer tbh, I’m a cold sleeper naturally so bare that in mind but that thing was COLD!
Thinking with a sewing machine and some spare time. We could make our own poncho. Buy, the best materials. Add features that we want. That would be an interesting project.
i just got a poncho form trespass its big got to ty it out yet i think i can use it to cover me rucksack when its on me wont need to take it of to put poncho on seem's good that nice vide to looking in form uk manchester
Thanks for the review. I've been wanting to replace my surplus poncho with a black one. It was either going to be the Helicon Tex or one made by fire force. I'll go with the fire force.
Sounds like it might be a good choice for kids! Think Scouts, backpacker kids etc. As for adults, not so much. Great review! Thanks
Nice Video, thank you. I use it for cycling. When I ride with my bike to the work. I use it in combination with rain pants.
In that way it works well.
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You look and sound exactly like Eric laden I literally had to look it up I was like this guy got a spot on the show Ozark
Excellent review.. Thank you 👍🏻
Great review! Interesting product. But what is that blue jacket you are wearing? That looks very good and comfortable too!
Could you do a review of the wilderness innovation poncho tent/hammock? I have wanted to get one but for the price I want it to work like it claims. Thanks