@@eddieram435 I think the problem with Crosshair is that it feels weird to think of him as "evil" none of this was really his choice. Faie feels like he has a tiny bit more agency
I think people standard for clones are too high, if you think about it, they’re never taught to be human, and their soul purpose is to exist as a killing tool, when your life is already gotten messed up it’s hard to have a good personality
He was a soldier who knew his exact purpose in life and followed just that. Not to mention he was paired with a Jedi who already had bias against his kind. Clones are basically bred to be obedient drones with little to no connection or empathy for other beings. They are killers first and foremost. Of course that depended on how influential their Jedi counterparts were in broadening their horizons. Not in this case.
@Jennifer Brewer its because Geetslys made that shit up. Notice how he never states where his source for that information comes from. Geetslys has an agenda of painting the Coruscant Gaurd in a bad light. And he often just makes shit up to further that agenda. A quick Google search goes a long way when it comes to fact-checking what Geetslys says. Most of the time, it tends to just be made up BS to fit his own narrative.
EU Cody: Hey you idiotic hooded bastard, could you have given the order before I gave his light saber back? Also, why the hell do we have to train these idiotic storm troopers? They suck! Worthless, all off them! 😡 Canon Cody: Good soldiers....follow orders 🥺😭
@@TheLeatheryman I’m assuming you’re talking about my “pro-gamer” remark. Keller declared martial law and put curfews in place of a town in order to catch Jedi, using all resources he had at his disposal to accomplish his objective while under the influence of order 66. Keller was trying to complete his mission as quickly and efficiently as possible.
@@indianajones4321 Ok thank you for the reply. I’m still a little confused as to what defines a “pro gamer” response. Is that just using everything at his disposal?
@@TheLeatheryman it’s being as effective as possible with a limited cost, at least on the surface from the source material. I don’t think he lost any troopers in his operation.
I'm certain Anakin would have been so tempted to kill Faie within in a minute, those two should just never meet. I'd bet even Rex would and the rest like Kix, Jesse, Hardcase, Fives, Denal or just everyone would hate Faie.
One of the many things I love about Star Wars are the back story of characters that normally at first glance don’t appear to matter but in reality if you look closely your found they are more than a blank face which is cool and a bit unsettling
Absolutely. So many people just see the movies or some of the movies and think that there's no depth to the lore, characters or background stories. If you explore both the legends or cannon EU there's so much more there with even literal background characters with no dialogue have life stories and family legacies. The animated series deals so much with politics, culture, society's treatment of veterans, the glorification of war, PTSD, economic colonialism, client states, power dynamics, history, a variety of relationship types, corporatism, corruption, social and religious dogma and so many other things. Hell, the original trilogy was about fascism and America's genocidal wars in post WWII Southeast Asia and the prequel trilogy was (unintentionally) an absolutely perfect analogy for the neverending war on terror. The storyline between Palpatine/Anakin and Darth Sidious/Vader is the very definition of an inequitable power dynamic and the relationship between Padme and Anakin is the absolute definition of a toxic relationship. All of which was done with very precise intent, and, even though the prequel trilogy wasn't conceived of as an analogy for the War on Terrorism, the fact that it is such a perfect analogy for it tells you how intentional Lucas was with his political commentary. I'm not a fan who spends time hating on the Disney movies but them attempting to succeed at telling background stories by giving a story to the little thing dangling from the ceiling of the cockpit in the Millennium Falcon shows how unaware they were of what makes people love Star Wars. People didn't watch the prequels to find out why Luke's father wound up with a lightsaber that color and we didn't walk into the Force Awakens because we were overwhelmed with curiosity about what happened to Luke's outfit after Episode VI. Sorry for the rant, lol
I would really love to see Thire or Keller make an appearance in The Bad Batch. Either one of them would be the exact opposite of Howzer, Cody, or Crosshair.
"When you're born into evil, evil isn't recognized as such, to those born in our pit of an existence, it's just life." Captain Jason A-45 in private communication to Jedi General Ember Tarlaa regarding his view on the Republic Core Worlds (20BBY)
I kinda have to wonder with Fay and Voss if it was a matter of the Republic pairing the worst duo imaginable, or if it started with mild dislike of one another, but escalated as they both embraced becoming the embodiment of what the other complained about out of childish ego. Just a petty tiff that slowly consumed their entire personalities.
Video Idea: Shortly before the battle of Coruscant, Palpatine fumbles his laptop after Senator Binks goofs up. A bunch of Palpatine's messages get sent to the wrong recipients, and now Anakin knows that Palpatine's schemes are what is threatening Padme. Mace Windu knows that Palpatine is a Sith Lord intending to make Anakin his new apprentice. Count Dooku knows that Palpatine plans to betray and replace him. General Grievous knows that Dooku and Palpatine killed his wife. Commander Cody and Obi Wan know about the Inhibitor Chips. What Happens?
Palp's dead, one way or another: via Order 65, Mace's or Anakin's lightsaber, or executed after trial in the senate after being impeached. And since Mas Ameda had complicity, he's also either deposed or executed. Dooku and Grievous have life in prison if the testify against Palpatine, which in my mind they wouldn't care to do after what you just described concerning them.
@@snapshotinhistory1367 palps is getting religious for sure, but I think the more interesting things would be the stuff beyond that. The Separatists are still separate, this war has been going for a while now. Dooku and the SC has a government and an army still and no incentive to lose this war. Grievous has his armies too, and has likely just shifted from "nearly omnicidal" to "fully omnicidal" Being a Sith isn't illegal and the Republic is still heavily staffed by Palpatine appointees, so a trial will be required if Mace or Anakin killed him, which they almost certainly will, and there will be a lot of people with reasons to obfuscate the parts of Palpatine's doing that aren't fully digested yet. You could potentially see a Jedi-Republic vs. Senate-Republic vs. What-The-Hell-Just-Happened?-Republic divide that could turn into a second contemporaneous civil war, plus you've got the Separatists still fighting and confused with many uncertain if Grievous is still on their side while he takes his ships and just starts indiscriminately glassing systems in a nihilistic rage against all life.
"If he was ordered to kill all the children in the galaxy whit his bare hands, he not only would've done it, but he also would've become angry and indignant at anyone who tried to tell him he shouldn't be doing it"
In my opinion, many clones had genuine hearts and souls such as Rex or Fives, some like these three, well... were downright evil. Not every clone was good: Some were genuine heroes, some were indifferent, some were evil
The integrity of your channel is unmatched by any other Star Wars Channel. Thank you for keeping opinion out of your videos. Also leaks, or spoilers. Its much appreciated bro! MTFBWY
WOW what a jaw dropping video. i had no idea that Thire was that bad i always thought he would be good. also, thanks for telling me about the other too commanders.
Hey you can probably blame Yoda for Thire. He probably gave Thire the inspiration he needed to rise the ranks further. Even so the coruscant guard is still my favorite .
I’m rewatching the Ahsoka framing ARC and Fox literally doesn’t do anything out of line lol. Rex even issues the “Ahsoka killed 3 clones, consider her armed and dangerous” order; not Fox.
For most people it's him killing Fives, a fan favorite. Though even then you can tell he's grappling with what he just did under the helmet with his body language.
I understand your point, but I think the thing that makes it understandable is lack of context on Fox’s part. WE as the audience know Fives is an innocent man trying to stop a master manipulator from destroying the republic. FOX, on the other hand is dealing with a visibly unstable turncoat who as far as he knows, has just tried to assassinate the republics head of state. He COULD have used stun, but at this point, he’s still on the side of the Jedi, and Fives has just pulled a blaster on the Jedi, Him, and his fellow men. Was it wrong to shoot him? Yes. Did Fox have the time to consider that in the split second between Fives pulling the blaster and Fox taking the shot? No. There’s also the possibility that he HAD it on stun, but the second Fives pulled and aimed the blaster all bets were off.
Is it possible to do the three most good clones? Or has that already been done? Because I think we need that after all the evil we just witnessed. Is it even possible to narrow it down to just three? Could give it a shot.
@@inductivegrunt94 As much as I liked Fives, Commander Fox did give him a chance to stand down in all fairness, and before I hear the "He could have used stun!" argument, if I remember correctly, that setting is slower and considering they were against an ARC trooper who even when drugged was capable of defending himself, I don't think I can blame him for defending his men, y'know?
To be fair the brain chips were supposed to have brain washed all the clones completely, enhancing the violence in them, and making them more evil. That’s why clones like Keller were mean. At least that’s how it was until Dave filoni ret conned it.
I see no one mentions them, but Commanders Vill and Voca of the 501st qualify: Vill fought against the Separatist resistance at New Plympto, and when the last Separatist soldiers surrendered, he executed them. Later he captured their families and took them to a slave market. Voca fought under Vader at Atoa and executed several civilians and prisoners of war under his orders (and complied with those tactical orders that cost the most Imperial lives).
I knew Commander Faie was gonna be in here, he’s an easy choice. Must admit though I’m impressed with the diversity in this top 3, I was expecting either Fox/Bacara/Neyo to be in here and I never knew about Keller until now.
Huh, the second and especially the thrid choice was very much expected, but Thire was defiantly a surprise, he seemed like a good dude in that first episode, but then again I thought Crosshair seemed like a good dude in Clone Wars and we all know what side he ended up choosing, so I guess just like when it came to the Bad Batch in relation to Crosshair, I guess I didn't know Thire all that well after all. How about we discuss the morally best Clones next, the ones that were loyal to the Republic, but like some Jedi, they weren't loyal to the point of stupidity, like Rex, Fives, and so on.
Yeah but least Rys and Jek had debatably easier fates. From what I heard Rys despite following Order 66 due to the chios as soon as it's effects wore off he was horrified by it and deserted. Jek apparently died on Kashyyyk though but least he didn't have to see the results of the war
Jek joined the ranger corps after that episode and he’s actually the clone next to gree who tried to kill Yoda after order 66, so sadly Yoda had to kill him
Uh... I'm no expert on military rules/regs, but isn't killing dozens of your own soldiers to take out one Jedi called *fratricide,* which is grounds for court martial and possible execution? I mean, wasn't Faie against breaking *any* rule? 🤔
It’s also unfair to judge the clones post order 66 since their actions were not their own. You could argue they didn’t have chips but the retcon established that all had chips this whole time. You could say Rex is evil for trying to kill Ahsoka
@@Luckerchu333 because they did it out of their own free will, because the cloners in Kamino made sure they fought, and died, for the republic, and because these clones came out before that retarded chip retcon
@@Luckerchu333 because the clones being poor victims of the plan and made them enemies of the jedi totally goes with rex's line that unlike droids, clones can make their own choices. In fact even Palpatine himself stated that clones with chips are retarded and preferred soldiers who followed orders without hesitation
I feel like being in the corasaunt guard was just rolling the dice and losing hard. Thire seemed like a decent leader during ambush and caring for his men. But years off being in the millatary police probally removed any emotion he felt for the people he was affecting. It became just another mission. And I think the cycle went both ways, a new clone is assigned to the corasaunt guard. All the citizens hate him, he has no idea why and he starts to hate them back.
@@CaptainHowzer325 I’m an alternate universe version of toronix where the republic didn’t fall and survived the clone wars and general skywalker would end up becoming the leader of the Jedi Order.
"Sometimes being a good soldier means doing what you think is right" Ironic that these words came from a man just as corrupt as the clones who blindly followed their own
What about Commander Bacara? I think he deserves a spot on this list. He's even willing to kill the troops under his command if it means getting the job done!
There is an enormous difference between loyal and obedient. Many of the most evil clones were obedient. Loyalty is not a faultable trait, these clones abandoned their loyalty.
Hey we don't hate all of the Coruscant Guard, Thorn is awesome and i would love to see him again if they have a series take place before season 6 of TCW
@@xavierterrelong9385 Crosshair is interesting because we sort of see him as ambitious and cruel as other "bad" clones, but he is also very much presented as a victim of the chip and the Imperial policies.
@@rosesweetcharlotte I’m not sure ambitious is the right way of looking at it he’s just a dude born to kill droids and fallow orders it’s only recently that the ones giving him orders also don’t appreciate him because they’re racist against clones which is good enough reason to betray the empire I mean ask kallus in the not so distant future
The first three aren’t really that evil as they are military-minded and indifferent to the harshness of war. Bacara is very much a commander that wouldn’t be crying tears for a fallen brother like Red would and go on with his life.
I wouldn't exactly call Thire and Keller evil. Thire, along with the rest of the Coruscant Guard, did basically act like Palpatine's police force and subject the people of Coruscant to an invasive, authoritarian regime, but they were doing that because that was their job, and it was a job they loathed with a passion. If you asked any member of the Coruscant Guard if they'd rather be on Coruscant or the frontlines, I guarantee you 99% of them would've said the latter. Fighting for the Republic was what these guys were born and trained to do, and it's why they entered every situation as if it was a warzone, because they wanted it to be. It's why individuals like Thorn and his men were relatively lucky. They went out in a blaze of glory fighting against droids like a clone should, while Fox, Thire, Stone, and the rest had to endure being enforcers of Palpatine's totalitarian police state until they were decomissioned, and that's just a terrible gig. Keller also did brutalize an entire city of people in pursuit of two people, but that's due to him being extremely dedicated to completing the mission assigned to him no matter the cost - almost certainly due to his being a commander in the infamously hardass Galactic Marines. As for Faie... no arguments there, he was an absolute scumbag, devoid of all humanity, and he deserved far worse than what he got. I will argue the idea that these guys "would all have done better to follow the example of Sergeant Slick." No matter how justifable his motivations may have been, Slick betrayed his brothers and committed acts that directly killed them or put them in harm's way. And he did what he did knowing that would happen. I can totally respect a deserter like Cut Lawquane, someone who deserts from the GAR because they want no part in the war whatsoever and just want to live their lives as they see fit. But I will always condemn someone like Slick, who was so selfish and greedy that he got his brothers killed and put them at risk. That is something I can never condone, and especially not encourage.
Maybe Thire probably have Ptsd after he saw Fives' death, he doesn't seen trust emperor palpatine after he order fox to execute fives, that's why Thire care about his brothers, hopefully He in The bad batch season 3 where he with Rex.
Nah man. Most of the stuff Geetslys says about thire in this video doesn't have any kind of actual source. He makes most of this shit up to paint the Coruscant Guard in a bad light
![Why General Grievous Secretly ADMIRED Clones [But still HATED Jedi with a Vengeance]](http://i.ytimg.com/vi/QZm8Wfc-8hQ/mqdefault.jpg)
Not even Crosshair was as loyal and sociopathic as Faie, absolute evil.
Crosshair is a clichéd character with a predictable story arc. Star Wars needs to move away from the lame bad guy goes AWOL and turns good later on.
@@eddieram435 I think the problem with Crosshair is that it feels weird to think of him as "evil" none of this was really his choice. Faie feels like he has a tiny bit more agency
I think people standard for clones are too high, if you think about it, they’re never taught to be human, and their soul purpose is to exist as a killing tool, when your life is already gotten messed up it’s hard to have a good personality
He was a soldier who knew his exact purpose in life and followed just that. Not to mention he was paired with a Jedi who already had bias against his kind. Clones are basically bred to be obedient drones with little to no connection or empathy for other beings. They are killers first and foremost. Of course that depended on how influential their Jedi counterparts were in broadening their horizons. Not in this case.
@@marlonbrando5794 i mean, if you take out the inhibitor chips
“Thire! Rush not into fights! Long is the war! Only by surviving it, will you prevail”
Bet Yoda regrets giving that advice to Thire
Pretty much
I didn't know any of that about Thire. Holy CRAP.
To think I was nice to that jerk! And I knew the Coruscant Guard was bad, but this just pissed me off to a freaking boiling point!!!!
@Jennifer Brewer its because Geetslys made that shit up. Notice how he never states where his source for that information comes from. Geetslys has an agenda of painting the Coruscant Gaurd in a bad light. And he often just makes shit up to further that agenda. A quick Google search goes a long way when it comes to fact-checking what Geetslys says. Most of the time, it tends to just be made up BS to fit his own narrative.
Im honestly just glad that Thorn wasn't like them.
Pong Krell, “You’re committing mutiny, Captain.”
Rex, “Well, it’s a good thing you’re not the Senate.”
Now I am sad that Pong died and wasn't around for Order 66... could have been a cool fight.
@@badgamemaster Probably would have ended just the same as the battle on Umbara.
@@avazquez01 you mean he gets ass fucked by some clones when he’s in prison only difference it’s in corrisaunt not umbara
@@avazquez01 yeah, that Umbara incident is like a controlled Order 66 without the order.
Cody: “Good soldiers follow orders.” *Deeply regrets shooting Kenobi*
Legends Cody: "FFS, couldn't we have received Order 66 before Kenobi got back?"
@@Jedi_Spartan In the novel he laments the fact that he received the Order after giving Kenobi back his sabre.
@@jaanikaapa6925 thats.... Literally what the person is referring to.
EU Cody: Hey you idiotic hooded bastard, could you have given the order before I gave his light saber back? Also, why the hell do we have to train these idiotic storm troopers? They suck! Worthless, all off them! 😡
Canon Cody: Good soldiers....follow orders 🥺😭
@Jaani Kääpä yes, but that was right when he was still on Utapau vs in Bad Batch where he had months to think about it
Keller just did what’s called a pro-gamer move, also he looks as awesome as Commander Mayday
Lol yeah
Can you elaborate on that for me? Not sure what you mean.. but yeah.. cool looking clone!
@@TheLeatheryman I’m assuming you’re talking about my “pro-gamer” remark. Keller declared martial law and put curfews in place of a town in order to catch Jedi, using all resources he had at his disposal to accomplish his objective while under the influence of order 66. Keller was trying to complete his mission as quickly and efficiently as possible.
@@indianajones4321 Ok thank you for the reply. I’m still a little confused as to what defines a “pro gamer” response. Is that just using everything at his disposal?
@@TheLeatheryman it’s being as effective as possible with a limited cost, at least on the surface from the source material. I don’t think he lost any troopers in his operation.
Most clones: I’ll do the right thing
These three: I missed the part where that’s my problem
Give me rent!
@@EternalEmperorofZakuul you'll get your rent when you fix this DAMN door
@@tylerhalloran9158 gonna cry?
@@EternalEmperorofZakuul That’s a cute outfit. Did your husband give it to you?
@@MrContentment3013 oh you can't do this to me... I've started this company.
DO YOU KNOW HOW MUCH I'VE SACRIFICED!
Given Faie’s hatred for Vos, imagine if he was assigned to the 501st Legion.
we *DONT* talk about that Idea
I'm certain Anakin would have been so tempted to kill Faie within in a minute, those two should just never meet. I'd bet even Rex would and the rest like Kix, Jesse, Hardcase, Fives, Denal or just everyone would hate Faie.
@@kamuiwarp1784 Faie probably would've "gone missing" on some Outer Rim planet.
@@kamuiwarp1784, to them, Faie would be an even more extreme and even more insufferable Dogma.
@@occam7382Atleast Dogma was just a rookie
One of the many things I love about Star Wars are the back story of characters that normally at first glance don’t appear to matter but in reality if you look closely your found they are more than a blank face which is cool and a bit unsettling
Absolutely. So many people just see the movies or some of the movies and think that there's no depth to the lore, characters or background stories.
If you explore both the legends or cannon EU there's so much more there with even literal background characters with no dialogue have life stories and family legacies.
The animated series deals so much with politics, culture, society's treatment of veterans, the glorification of war, PTSD, economic colonialism, client states, power dynamics, history, a variety of relationship types, corporatism, corruption, social and religious dogma and so many other things.
Hell, the original trilogy was about fascism and America's genocidal wars in post WWII Southeast Asia and the prequel trilogy was (unintentionally) an absolutely perfect analogy for the neverending war on terror.
The storyline between Palpatine/Anakin and Darth Sidious/Vader is the very definition of an inequitable power dynamic and the relationship between Padme and Anakin is the absolute definition of a toxic relationship.
All of which was done with very precise intent, and, even though the prequel trilogy wasn't conceived of as an analogy for the War on Terrorism, the fact that it is such a perfect analogy for it tells you how intentional Lucas was with his political commentary.
I'm not a fan who spends time hating on the Disney movies but them attempting to succeed at telling background stories by giving a story to the little thing dangling from the ceiling of the cockpit in the Millennium Falcon shows how unaware they were of what makes people love Star Wars.
People didn't watch the prequels to find out why Luke's father wound up with a lightsaber that color and we didn't walk into the Force Awakens because we were overwhelmed with curiosity about what happened to Luke's outfit after Episode VI.
Sorry for the rant, lol
Video Idea: Jedi That With the best Drip
Starkiller with the Jedi adventure robes. Who knew the Jedi had fits like that
Tarre Viszla for sure
And can they compare to Ludo Kressh, Dark Lord of the Drip?
Count Dooku (technically)
Rahm Kota, Quinlan Vos, Bardan Jusik, and Lucien Draay.
I would really love to see Thire or Keller make an appearance in The Bad Batch. Either one of them would be the exact opposite of Howzer, Cody, or Crosshair.
I greatly misread this and was as confused as I was curious.
Geetslys at 10AM on a Sunday before a week of 12 hour shifts... Absolutely made my weekend, Man! Love your content!
Good luck with those shifts!
"When you're born into evil, evil isn't recognized as such, to those born in our pit of an existence, it's just life."
Captain Jason A-45 in private communication to Jedi General Ember Tarlaa regarding his view on the Republic Core Worlds (20BBY)
What book is that quote from
...Looked up these names in Wookieepedia, and I suspect this being fanfiction. Honestly.
@@michaelandreipalon359
Yep, sorry to disappoint 🫤
Rex: Good soldiers follow orders.
These 3 Clones: I follow my own orders.
Faie and the boys: I give the orders
I kinda have to wonder with Fay and Voss if it was a matter of the Republic pairing the worst duo imaginable, or if it started with mild dislike of one another, but escalated as they both embraced becoming the embodiment of what the other complained about out of childish ego.
Just a petty tiff that slowly consumed their entire personalities.
A clone Commander who hates the Jedi assigned to a Jedi General who hates the clones. What could go wrong?
Lol “Fay”
I guess its quite the SHOCK to see Thire on this list!
Yeah
@Geetsly's is easily the best Star Wars channel. Can't even remind how long I've been seen your videos - many years perhaps. Just marvelous, tbf.
Thire: Palpatine’s second kissup
Keller: drip
Faie: just a psychopath
This stories would do amazing arcs in an animated show
A live action series about the shock troopers in the style of The Boys would be awesome
Video Idea:
Shortly before the battle of Coruscant, Palpatine fumbles his laptop after Senator Binks goofs up. A bunch of Palpatine's messages get sent to the wrong recipients, and now
Anakin knows that Palpatine's schemes are what is threatening Padme.
Mace Windu knows that Palpatine is a Sith Lord intending to make Anakin his new apprentice.
Count Dooku knows that Palpatine plans to betray and replace him.
General Grievous knows that Dooku and Palpatine killed his wife.
Commander Cody and Obi Wan know about the Inhibitor Chips.
What Happens?
Palp's dead, one way or another: via Order 65, Mace's or Anakin's lightsaber, or executed after trial in the senate after being impeached. And since Mas Ameda had complicity, he's also either deposed or executed. Dooku and Grievous have life in prison if the testify against Palpatine, which in my mind they wouldn't care to do after what you just described concerning them.
I would LOVE to see a video on this.
@@snapshotinhistory1367 palps is getting religious for sure, but I think the more interesting things would be the stuff beyond that.
The Separatists are still separate, this war has been going for a while now.
Dooku and the SC has a government and an army still and no incentive to lose this war. Grievous has his armies too, and has likely just shifted from "nearly omnicidal" to "fully omnicidal"
Being a Sith isn't illegal and the Republic is still heavily staffed by Palpatine appointees, so a trial will be required if Mace or Anakin killed him, which they almost certainly will, and there will be a lot of people with reasons to obfuscate the parts of Palpatine's doing that aren't fully digested yet.
You could potentially see a Jedi-Republic vs. Senate-Republic vs. What-The-Hell-Just-Happened?-Republic divide that could turn into a second contemporaneous civil war, plus you've got the Separatists still fighting and confused with many uncertain if Grievous is still on their side while he takes his ships and just starts indiscriminately glassing systems in a nihilistic rage against all life.
Random person: *likes state power and believes in security and efficiency over liberty and equality
Geetlys and his fandom: OMG SO EVIL!!!
"If he was ordered to kill all the children in the galaxy whit his bare hands, he not only would've done it, but he also would've become angry and indignant at anyone who tried to tell him he shouldn't be doing it"
Had Faie survived to see 0 BBY, he would’ve been excited to blow up Alderaan.
@@oriongear2499We do not speak of Alderaan around here.
In my opinion, many clones had genuine hearts and souls such as Rex or Fives, some like these three, well... were downright evil. Not every clone was good: Some were genuine heroes, some were indifferent, some were evil
Don't forget about Waxer and 99, especially 99.
Well it's loyalty
@@zero312 Definitely
Pretty sure these are legends anyway. Thire in CW was likely much different than what we see here
@@Fr0stbit3_ Never thought Thire had that in him
The integrity of your channel is unmatched by any other Star Wars Channel. Thank you for keeping opinion out of your videos. Also leaks, or spoilers. Its much appreciated bro! MTFBWY
What of Manda-LORE, Matt Wilkins, or Christopher Nelson?
WOW what a jaw dropping video. i had no idea that Thire was that bad i always thought he would be good. also, thanks for telling me about the other too commanders.
Hey you can probably blame Yoda for Thire. He probably gave Thire the inspiration he needed to rise the ranks further. Even so the coruscant guard is still my favorite .
Yeah, Yoda couldn't have realized that Thire would be, well, Thire.
Sensing a trend here. 2 of the 3 clones Yoda had with him have either tried to kill him, or were brutally subjugative.
The Clones always did have cool looking Armor. Mandalorian have even cooler armor
Commander Fox isn't evil and I'm tired of people saying he is
I’m rewatching the Ahsoka framing ARC and Fox literally doesn’t do anything out of line lol. Rex even issues the “Ahsoka killed 3 clones, consider her armed and dangerous” order; not Fox.
For most people it's him killing Fives, a fan favorite. Though even then you can tell he's grappling with what he just did under the helmet with his body language.
@@infinitymatrix5421im gonna sound like someone who cant cope with fives death but he had mass amount of time to put his gun to stun
I understand your point, but I think the thing that makes it understandable is lack of context on Fox’s part. WE as the audience know Fives is an innocent man trying to stop a master manipulator from destroying the republic. FOX, on the other hand is dealing with a visibly unstable turncoat who as far as he knows, has just tried to assassinate the republics head of state. He COULD have used stun, but at this point, he’s still on the side of the Jedi, and Fives has just pulled a blaster on the Jedi, Him, and his fellow men. Was it wrong to shoot him? Yes. Did Fox have the time to consider that in the split second between Fives pulling the blaster and Fox taking the shot? No. There’s also the possibility that he HAD it on stun, but the second Fives pulled and aimed the blaster all bets were off.
Is it possible to do the three most good clones? Or has that already been done? Because I think we need that after all the evil we just witnessed. Is it even possible to narrow it down to just three? Could give it a shot.
CC Ponds will most likely be number 1 sad he died early on, but at least he didn’t commit order 66
Probably the ones that sacrificed themselves can’t remember all but their was a couple hevy Fox and Fives probably more
@@j3680 Fox was the Coruscant Guard commander that shot Fives. He's nowhere near good.
If on about most good I'd say Rex, Ponds and Maybe either Doom or Wolfe for top 3 most good clone leaders.
@@inductivegrunt94 As much as I liked Fives, Commander Fox did give him a chance to stand down in all fairness, and before I hear the "He could have used stun!" argument, if I remember correctly, that setting is slower and considering they were against an ARC trooper who even when drugged was capable of defending himself, I don't think I can blame him for defending his men, y'know?
Faie has a good amount of armor changes. At least 3 I can count. Only Rex, Echo and Fives get that many.
Yeah. Faie’s 7th Legion Engineer and Ultra-Camouflaged 41st Clone Scout armor are all really cool armor sets.
To be fair the brain chips were supposed to have brain washed all the clones completely, enhancing the violence in them, and making them more evil. That’s why clones like Keller were mean. At least that’s how it was until Dave filoni ret conned it.
There was definitely something wrong with Commander Faie.
It was bound to happen. All clones are different.
Yeah. It's called loyalty. No inhibitor chips required.
“boohoo he kiled fives!reeeeeeeeeeeee’’
that’s what i hear whenever someone hates on my beloved shock troopers
at 3:41 there's a cool secret in the subtitles.
I see no one mentions them, but Commanders Vill and Voca of the 501st qualify:
Vill fought against the Separatist resistance at New Plympto, and when the last Separatist soldiers surrendered, he executed them. Later he captured their families and took them to a slave market.
Voca fought under Vader at Atoa and executed several civilians and prisoners of war under his orders (and complied with those tactical orders that cost the most Imperial lives).
There was one commander in the Coruscant Guard that was good. Commander Thorn. He was both a hero and a badass.
Thorn sitting there like: 'just because i am alart of the Coruscant guard that doesnt make my last stand honerable!?'
One of my favorite quotes is good soldiers follow orders and these guys live and die by that quote.
I think even Crosshair would've been reviled at the actions of these three clones.
I knew Commander Faie was gonna be in here, he’s an easy choice. Must admit though I’m impressed with the diversity in this top 3, I was expecting either Fox/Bacara/Neyo to be in here and I never knew about Keller until now.
Could you do a video about the 3 morally best clones in the GAR next?
Rex would probably be the first or Last Clone to be on that list, considering he and Faie are two sides of the same Clone Commander coin.
Huh, the second and especially the thrid choice was very much expected, but Thire was defiantly a surprise, he seemed like a good dude in that first episode, but then again I thought Crosshair seemed like a good dude in Clone Wars and we all know what side he ended up choosing, so I guess just like when it came to the Bad Batch in relation to Crosshair, I guess I didn't know Thire all that well after all.
How about we discuss the morally best Clones next, the ones that were loyal to the Republic, but like some Jedi, they weren't loyal to the point of stupidity, like Rex, Fives, and so on.
Thire in CW was different than Legends Thire
Yeah but least Rys and Jek had debatably easier fates. From what I heard Rys despite following Order 66 due to the chios as soon as it's effects wore off he was horrified by it and deserted. Jek apparently died on Kashyyyk though but least he didn't have to see the results of the war
Jek joined the ranger corps after that episode and he’s actually the clone next to gree who tried to kill Yoda after order 66, so sadly Yoda had to kill him
I actually used to have the clone cmdr. Keller action figure and the comic book he came with along w the Jedi master action figure as well
Uh... I'm no expert on military rules/regs, but isn't killing dozens of your own soldiers to take out one Jedi called *fratricide,* which is grounds for court martial and possible execution? I mean, wasn't Faie against breaking *any* rule? 🤔
That would require the clones to be considered people.
@@rosesweetcharlotte and they were considered as Sub-Human so….
Well he was so loyal that he was willing to end himself to get rid of the Jedi.
If you look up the real life definition of a psychopath and what requirements to be considered as one, Faire would meet a lot of those points.
It’s also unfair to judge the clones post order 66 since their actions were not their own. You could argue they didn’t have chips but the retcon established that all had chips this whole time.
You could say Rex is evil for trying to kill Ahsoka
Every clone became evil when the inhibitor chip activated. That's the point of the chip, to hunt down every jedi with any means necessary
They didn't have a chip
@@EternalEmperorofZakuul And why do you think that?
@@Luckerchu333 because they did it out of their own free will, because the cloners in Kamino made sure they fought, and died, for the republic, and because these clones came out before that retarded chip retcon
@@EternalEmperorofZakuul Yeah lets keep "they are born evil" lazy shit, why not and the chips are canon so....
@@Luckerchu333 because the clones being poor victims of the plan and made them enemies of the jedi totally goes with rex's line that unlike droids, clones can make their own choices. In fact even Palpatine himself stated that clones with chips are retarded and preferred soldiers who followed orders without hesitation
I feel like being in the corasaunt guard was just rolling the dice and losing hard. Thire seemed like a decent leader during ambush and caring for his men. But years off being in the millatary police probally removed any emotion he felt for the people he was affecting. It became just another mission. And I think the cycle went both ways, a new clone is assigned to the corasaunt guard. All the citizens hate him, he has no idea why and he starts to hate them back.
Don't you dare say bad things about Fox. The man was just doing his job!
So your saying that letting a bunch of senators be kidnapped and helping a bunch of CIS droids blow up corsant’s power grid is his job?
I was rewatching the episodes with Fox and Fox is literally doing everything right lol
"Loyalty is its own reward."
Coruscant Guard just sounds like American cops lmao 😂😂
It’s funny Keller wasn’t a victim of friendly fire with his fashion sense lol
As Kreia says, to be loyal to an ideal is to be willing to betray it (or something like that)
Faie was insane.
He was the most loyal clone trooper ever made
@@EternalEmperorofZakuul If by loyal, you mean a teamkilling f---tard straight out of Red vs. Blue, then yes, you are correct.
@@sambridgers9543 yes
Coruscant Guard is litterally my favorite clone legion, why must you hurt me in this way 😢
Tips make a video! Who was the most evil stormtrooper.
So he followed orders? That bastard!
Out of his free will due to indoctrination
Clones: Good Soliders Follow Orders.
These 3 clones: No Order is Bad Exicute Order 25
Dude looks badass with the hood and robes
I am surprised you didn’t include Fox due to your childish hatred of him.
You got to admit, Keller's got the best drip.
Hello Howzer how are you doing today?
@@Thomas-tank-engine1 Well, you know, being sad about Nemec and Fireball.
@@CaptainHowzer325 I’m an alternate universe version of toronix where the republic didn’t fall and survived the clone wars and general skywalker would end up becoming the leader of the Jedi Order.
I wanna hate Fox but damn his armor coloring is so unique and cool
You should see Commander Thorn’s armor
It definitely would’ve been interesting to see Keller & Faie in TCW.
I’m at my wits end with Star Wars fans calling Commander Fox evil. He was just doing his goddamn job!!!! 🤬
A lot of people seem to forget the person that the clones were actually clones *of*
Not me.
5:04 this is like when the teacher punishes the whole class for what one student did
Keller and Faye nice
Great vid Geetsly, thanks for the upload.
Reminds me of how Loyalist Astartes aren't always nice Astartes.
Especially looking at you, Marines Malevolent.
To quote Darth Plagueis, ' Evil, What is that?'
"Sometimes being a good soldier means doing what you think is right"
Ironic that these words came from a man just as corrupt as the clones who blindly followed their own
dude ur insane with all of these 3 years of star wars pog
What about Commander Bacara? I think he deserves a spot on this list. He's even willing to kill the troops under his command if it means getting the job done!
Since when? Just curious.
@@OutOfIdeas9977 I think he mentioned him in a past video
@@princeofpokemon2934 the only thing I recall Geetsly’s talking about Bacara is that He is Completely and Utterly brutal af.
@@OutOfIdeas9977 my point exactly
unpopular opinion to most but i like cc-1010 aka "fox"
Why?
@@OutOfIdeas9977 why not
@@shika_628 okay
There is an enormous difference between loyal and obedient.
Many of the most evil clones were obedient. Loyalty is not a faultable trait, these clones abandoned their loyalty.
All of these actions are after there inhibitor chips are activated tho
Shout out to Keller, one of my favorite obscure clones
Don’t forget about Koho.
You could say Fey was the Yularen to Vos’s Anakin in terms of personality.
Don't surrender yourself to a corrupt government.
Surrender yourself to the light side of the Force.
I just love commander Fox and Thire 🤣🤷🏻♂️ I can't help it.... but all the commanders discussed here are the ones I came to love
*Thire
@@oriongear2499 sry typing error
@@bloodygoat6941 random question do you love Thorn and Stone?
Hey we don't hate all of the Coruscant Guard, Thorn is awesome and i would love to see him again if they have a series take place before season 6 of TCW
If you're Palpatine's favorite soldier or officer than you know you're a terrible person.
They're both doing the same thing XD 0:17
"Isard was well known for being a fascist prick." LMAO who wrote these subtitles?
That Keller guy dope as hell
Appo, Neyo, Bacara and Crosshair are all pretty evil clones.
Crosshair did kill Stormtroopers and lieutenant
@@xavierterrelong9385 Crosshair is interesting because we sort of see him as ambitious and cruel as other "bad" clones, but he is also very much presented as a victim of the chip and the Imperial policies.
Appo!? Crosshair!? Being evil I think not.
@@rosesweetcharlotte I’m not sure ambitious is the right way of looking at it he’s just a dude born to kill droids and fallow orders it’s only recently that the ones giving him orders also don’t appreciate him because they’re racist against clones which is good enough reason to betray the empire I mean ask kallus in the not so distant future
The first three aren’t really that evil as they are military-minded and indifferent to the harshness of war. Bacara is very much a commander that wouldn’t be crying tears for a fallen brother like Red would and go on with his life.
0:57 I know that fallout 4 mod it's from skibad
When I saw the 3rd chapter thumbnail, I thought: “BLY!?!?!?”
Good thing if it wasn’t.
Yeah I agree. I have a that dark horse comic with Faie so I know what how bad he is as well.
also could it because they were trained to be loyal soldiers that they would haven't grown these bad personalities
I’m honestly surprised Thire was more evil then Fox. Though you could argue Fox is a saint compared to Faye
Me who still thinks Fox and the Coruscant Guard did nothing wrong
😐
I wouldn't exactly call Thire and Keller evil. Thire, along with the rest of the Coruscant Guard, did basically act like Palpatine's police force and subject the people of Coruscant to an invasive, authoritarian regime, but they were doing that because that was their job, and it was a job they loathed with a passion. If you asked any member of the Coruscant Guard if they'd rather be on Coruscant or the frontlines, I guarantee you 99% of them would've said the latter. Fighting for the Republic was what these guys were born and trained to do, and it's why they entered every situation as if it was a warzone, because they wanted it to be. It's why individuals like Thorn and his men were relatively lucky. They went out in a blaze of glory fighting against droids like a clone should, while Fox, Thire, Stone, and the rest had to endure being enforcers of Palpatine's totalitarian police state until they were decomissioned, and that's just a terrible gig. Keller also did brutalize an entire city of people in pursuit of two people, but that's due to him being extremely dedicated to completing the mission assigned to him no matter the cost - almost certainly due to his being a commander in the infamously hardass Galactic Marines. As for Faie... no arguments there, he was an absolute scumbag, devoid of all humanity, and he deserved far worse than what he got. I will argue the idea that these guys "would all have done better to follow the example of Sergeant Slick." No matter how justifable his motivations may have been, Slick betrayed his brothers and committed acts that directly killed them or put them in harm's way. And he did what he did knowing that would happen. I can totally respect a deserter like Cut Lawquane, someone who deserts from the GAR because they want no part in the war whatsoever and just want to live their lives as they see fit. But I will always condemn someone like Slick, who was so selfish and greedy that he got his brothers killed and put them at risk. That is something I can never condone, and especially not encourage.
I always thought shock troopers would make better bad guys, then good guys
Maybe Thire probably have Ptsd after he saw Fives' death, he doesn't seen trust emperor palpatine after he order fox to execute fives, that's why Thire care about his brothers, hopefully He in The bad batch season 3 where he with Rex.
I wonder if faie would have changed at all had he lived and served the empire kind of like crosshair
Sad that the first Clone at the start became the worst, guess Yoda's advice was wasted on him.
Nah man. Most of the stuff Geetslys says about thire in this video doesn't have any kind of actual source. He makes most of this shit up to paint the Coruscant Guard in a bad light
@@deathblooms5186 TBF, I could see Thire setting up Security Checkpoints on Coruscant, either on orders from Palpatine or because of his paranoia.
Good soliders follow orders.
Good men follow their conscience.
Hey can’t forget the control chips in their heads that made them do it so there not technically evil
What chips?
I think you forgot the fact that chips in clones heads didn’t exist when Keller and Faie were made
Love Fives, and yes, I'd say he's above Rex undoubtedly. Definitely one of the absolute BEST ✊🏼🖤5