Lockers VS No Lockers | Jeep ZJ Snow Wheeling icy hills
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- Опубликовано: 21 янв 2022
- Two Zjs, one with full locking differentials front and back, one with open diffs. What performs better in icy conditions offroad? We took the opportunity to see how the traction difference was and adventure into some of Canadas gorgeous backcountry.
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People underestimate the benefits of locking the dif. It's more than hanging a tire. There's the advantage of all tires moving the same speed so you can tiptoe the edge of traction. I actually have had people that base their opinions on absolutely nothing try to tell me that lockers can't help your braking traction.
I live in the Midwest and we also deal with mud, snow, ice and hills. I also drive a ZJ but mine is a 96 with the 4.0L 6. I like having the rear locked but don't like the front locked. I prefer to have the stearability in nasty stuff especially on hillsides in the slick. Nothing worse than being on a side slant and both steer wheels break loose and the front end dives downhill. I have my rear locked and the front open. I tend to run pretty aggressive mud and snow tires and do have a set of chains for my 31's that I only use when absolutely necessary and if I am by myself. We try to run the buddy system for safety but all my relatives have 4x4's
@@desertdan100 I have a Detroit in the rear and a lockrite in the front so I know what you mean. Ideally I'd change the front to an ARB but until then I just leave the driver's side hub unlocked if there's any chance of the front diving.
From PNW, got a 96 ZJ 5.2 v8 5.5 inch lift. 32s. No lockers. love your content and glad to have found your channel
One of the first mods I did was lockers and a regear. Interestingly, I went with lockers on an economic basis of being able to drive slower to avoid breaking things. Momentum for everything = broken parts in the middle of no where. I only use my lockers when I need them to avoid driveline and tire wear.
def here you there, seems crawling and low psi is king
Absolutely! As slow as possible, fast as necessary
Bingo.
Air lockers
@@johnventers5128 yep crawling doesn't work when will speed is necessary pussyfoot Sully's get stuff stuck in that circumstance
I have a rear locker on my 2500HD snow plowing truck. That works most of the time and still allows good steering. When it is icy, I add crossbar chains and then can go just about anywhere. A front locker would add more traction, but makes it somewhat harder to maneuver the plow in tight places.
Watching from Texas! My rig is a 96 ZJ with a similar set to yours! Love how beautiful it is in your part of the country!
sweet looking rig! entry is 6817728
Watching from Oregon, 96 ZJ 5.2 with 49K original. 30 inch all terrain I'm just getting started on the old girl. Great video, glad to see ZJs still out there.
🤣 that's like new I have a 96 4.0 with 361,000
@@leviluikart977 got 245k on my 4.slow it’s a great trail motor
wow, nice find on the low km zj, entry is 6817756
Hi from Queensland, Australia !
I drive a 1998 ZG (manufactured in Graz, Austria). Still going well and very enjoyable to drive. Great video !
ZJ driver from Milton Florida here. I love seeing the mountains up there! Keep em coming!!
When it comes to offroading nothing beats real diff locks. I tried all sorts of system but diff locks are best. I been offroading for 40 years.
Lockers, regear, and a winch. Speedy but worth every penny.
Enjoyed the video. Thanks
I'm in NE Washington about 30 minutes south of Canada and this year has been an absolutely amazing winter for snow wheeling! My tipple locked vehicle on 37s barely knows the snow or any obstacle is there. It may be time to get smaller tires haha
im jealoous man here 37s are king, most obstacles are 35 and under stuff. entry is 6817803
Good looking views, would love to try snow wheeling like that. Watching from Memphis TN.
come on out we aren't that far haha, entry is 6817758 thanks for watching man
Love it brother! Fort McMurray here, Mines a 94 ZJ, not lifted as high as yours but running 33s and its so much fun. cant wait for lockers lol.
me also, need the lockers on mine too! 6817750
Hey, watching from Kelowna BC. Building up my YJ and plan on doing lockers this spring. Loved this video! Definitely feel locked is the way to go! Have fun Wheeling
your in my dream place buddy, im jealous. entry is 6817793
After some bad experiences early on, I've always had front and rear lockers on my trail vehicles. Nice and slow has always been my preferred method, but using more skinny pedal is there when you need it.
I agree, low and slow means less breaking.
Question from a newb. Would front and back TrueTrac LSD do “almost” as good as a locker on this trail? I know LSD > Open Diffs, but I’m just curious how much MORE of an advantage lockers would be over a TrueTrac.
Thanks!
Amazing shots of the Alberta winter landscape!
Thanks! I appreciate it. definitely gorgeous country, be sure to let us know where your watching from to get entered into the contest!
Watching from So Cal. Super cool and informative, will be needing lockers. Breathtaking scenery, keep it up! 👍
appreciate you watching, we live in a gorgeous country. your entry is 6817738
Light brake helps. Almost like a locker. Lockers off camber can get bad. Thank you truckers
Quartzsite az. Rv life
right on man, entry is 6817752
Tires have to be turning a certain speed for that to even catch for a second.....and that's if the weight if evenly distributed.....
One way to find out
Watching from south Texas! I have a 95 zj and love seeing these old girls still getting it!
haha we love the us oil state! entry is 6817744
Short answer, lockers help you to slowly get over obstacles where open diffs require momentum. More speed equals more chances of breaking things.
Beautiful country up there.
def nice country, thanks for the tip! I need lockers asap
@@countryslickerofficial I have the e lockers in my JK Rubicon and they are so nice to have. The ZJ doesn't have many options for the rear, but I have a lunchbox locker and it does great!
JKUR. Justified the cost to the wife by explaining the benefits of lockers if I get in to an issue camping with the kids. Though I don’t wheel much beyond the easy capacity of my Jeep, I have gotten in to issues with ice on trails where without lockers, we’d of been stuck. She is glad it was money well spent. It’s that whole better to have it and not needed than need it and not have it thing.
no argument there, def need em and the stronger axles are better for piece of mind too;
Great video man. Im loving it. The drone was icing on the cake.
Thanks mate! Appreciate it this was a fun one to make
Watching from Kentucky. This has been my favorite video comparing the locked to unlocked. thanks
no worries, entry is 6817748
Snow wheeling is great, tj, zj, and suburban all love the snow. Oregon coast
Shout out from NorCal here. Haven’t had much snow the last few years but we finally got some and it’s been great to be back wheeling in it. So far this has been my fav video and lockers are a must in my book.
haha thanks for watching! entry 6817747
Awesome video , Southern Ca
sweet!entry is 6817734
Both are badass rigs. The sound of the 5.9 with the lockers sounds real good. Just as they say, Rhome wasn't built in a day! Just keep on keeping on.💪👍💯🇺🇸 P.s; awesome scenery, great video
thank you! we love it out here, appreciate you watching
What a beautiful place for winter wheeling👍🏻
Michigan here and enjoy your vids.
Sick vid man !
I like the comparisons, and how you showed the differences. The drone perspectives are awesome too. I fly my Mini 2 as much as possible, even when I'm working, and use my dash-cam when I'm out in my rig. My front and rear ARB's have taken me into and out of many kick-ass places. In my 1st vid I didn't need them as my 424 to 1 t case got me and my '89 Geo Tracker up that steep bugger. But the 2nd vid the lockers got me up...till I got high centered. Then it was time for the Hi-Lift.
Oh yeh, I stabbed a Suzuki Aereo SX 2.3 under the hood, and a 4 1/2" suspension lift. It rips!
(I misunderstood what you said when you said to share what fav vid was. So I shared one of my own fav vids. In my edit, my fav vid of yours is the vid where the two jeeps are compared. WJ vs JK. I'm in Northern Idaho, U.S.)
Thanks for sharing, and the invite. Wallace
ruclips.net/video/Vh-BtgAIsZw/видео.html
2nd vid. ruclips.net/video/-Qqh5BLMVCc/видео.html
Second vid. ruclips.net/video/-Qqh5BLMVCc/видео.html
man im jealous of your setup. sweet channel! wish I had that t case. entry is 6817805.
@@countryslickerofficial thanks buddy. T case is awesome, especially coming down hill- mostly never need to use brakes.
@@countryslickerofficial I am not sure where to enter that number. Where do I?
Just got myself an 89 xj dana 44 up front 8.8 rear twin Detroit locked coil overs 10 inch lift 35 inch tires and I’m super happy with it can’t wait to go snow wheeling would love to bring it up to bc to play one day !! Lockers are a gift and a curse in snow can make sliding off the trail a lot easier but can get you through alot more I’m gonna go with air lockers when I upgrade so I can have the best of both worlds ! Cheers from New Brunswick a little too for snow wheeling giving it less gas can help so you stay on top instead spinning down deep into the snow !
appreciate the tip man, sounds like an awesome rig hoping to see you in bc soon!
Really like this channel! Keep it up!
right on thanks man!
Ugh! I miss winter wheeling with Dorothy the Jeep in Waiparous!! Great video Grif!
I bet, m hopefully we see you out there soon
Anyone that had ever driven a lifted locked 4x4 with tall narrow tires and chains on all 4 knows how amazing it can be.
that sounds like the ultimate setup
Yes, in thin snow like this, chains digging down really help. I noticed the tires didn't have sipes, which is helpful with the other technique of driving on the snow surface.
From Vancouver Island….just building my 92 XJ. Thanks for all the helpful information!
BTW I bought mine from a friend who owned it since 93…210,000k. Never been off road until last spring
thank you for watching, we are hoping to hit van at some point to check out the wheeling scene! entry is 6817813, keep that xj running strong
Watching from Atlanta, GA. This is my favorite video so far, as it is the first one from ya'll that I have seen. I have more to catch up on it seems!
glad you enjoyed it my man! entry is 6817798
Here in Arizona Lockers are King. Top 3 modifications to go far in the desert are #1 Tires, #2 long travel suspension, and #3 lockers. Just those 3 and you can go anywhere down here. Traction and articulation.
az has some crazy rigs and the terrain was intimidating! your entry is 6817807 thanks for watching, we are hoping to get back to your area next year!
South Carolina.
Beautiful area! Good example of locker benefits.
thanks for watching, your entry is 6817808
yep thats impressive! Good stuff!
Thank you!
Hi Country Slicker, watching from South West Montana. Love the ZJs, the footage and music, great production! I own 3 ZJs, an Orvis, a 5.9 and a Limited. The limited has a 4.5” long bar lift on 35s with TruTrac in front and ARB in the back. The 5.9 is stock and i love your buddy’s lifted 5.9. Kind of bitter sweet though as i hate to modify the 5.9. My son has two ZJs, a Laredo and a 5.9. Thanks again.
entry is 6817794. wow tons of pjs in the family that's awesome!
This man is living in 2076 with the cell phone/drone service trick. Well done.
haha we got lucky with that trick id say
Your country is so beautiful!! I have snowmobiled over the board from Maine into Canada it was a blast. I have a 1989 Ford F-250 7.3l turbo diesel on 35inch BFG’s. Would love to see how she would do up there. I’m in the Boston Ma area.
Awesome footage and thanks for sharing 🗽🗽🇺🇸👍
The Vermonter
Vermont? USA all the way haha, entry is 6817783
good man lettin' the lady know what's up. Smart idea with the drone lift too!
haha better than her at home worrying!
I went for detroit soft lockers front and back on my TJ. Wish I had gone for an air locker in the front because when I get stuck now I've got no extra buttons 😒 it's winch time 😁 🔱🇬🇧
Awesome video though
thanks for the watch, winch is always king at the end of the day haha
Watching from Missouri USA love Canada such beautiful mountains I love everything about Canada I wish I could go some time.
Dude! Love the content. The drone/cell phone hack was genius. I thought the same thing, but don't have a drone, nor ever needed that stuff. Also like the fact that you've admitted you are 'lazy to put the chains on'. Subscribed.
appreciate the love! and the sub, entry is 6817786
Hey Frank, you were 1 of the lucky 2 winners from our draw! Shoot me an email at countryslicker92@gmail.com or leave some contact info so I can get some details for shipping and send out that package to you!
So awesome to find a channel with great quality videos and close to home (from southern Alberta)
Yup, there are times when an open diff is definitely better, and times when a locked is really the only good option. I've settled on OX lockers after having used different ones over the years. While you can set them up to activate by air or electronically, I really liked the all mechanical/cable option, plus the "plug" you can put in the diff where your shift mechanism enters the cover that keeps it locked if your air/electric/cable system fails, so you can still get back to pavement.
right on man, thanks for the tip, seems like a good one for reliability
what vehicle did u install the ox cable locker on ? did you put them in front and rear ?
I am leaning towards the ox lockers front and rear on tj and xj because they are so simple. I like the fact that you do not need to pull your carrier and gears to fix an air leak (if one occurs), and like the idea of the "drive-a-way plug" as a backup since i solo wheel with my family.
i'm not sure if i want to use cables or air actuators for my xj crawler.?.. but i am thinking i might need to go with air actuators for my tj, cause of the tight packaging and possibly too many sharp bends.?..
buddy of mine did an Aux locker in his TJ and could't believe the difference it made in the winter time ice fishing or out on the trail and just having an LSD up front, 3" lift on on 33" A/T's and a nice warn witch mounted up front that i never saw used in 10 yrs, funny people use to think he had an extra transfer case looking at the extra lever for the Aux,👍 I am still amazed at where we could go in that thing to this day
Another ZJ wheeler here (Las Vegas Nevada) Loving your videos man & wish we had BC like trails in our backyard. You've got my subscription, keep up the goodness!
Right on thanks for the support! You guys have some crazy crawling out that way
Lockers are a must in ice, snow, mud, sand, rock etc, etc!!! From Florida!
agreed, wish they weren't so pricey here! entry is 6817761
Yes and no depending on how much off roading you do. I have the BLD system on my wrangler with no locker and i find it can do 90% of what i ask for. Similar systems are on other brands like the a-trac that can be enough for some people. But for sure if you are doing any serious offroading having lockers is very nice.
Damn that looks fun!!!
we def enjoy it
I know I'm late, but just letting you know I am watching from Patagonia Argentina. Great video! Love those drone shots. Keep it up!!
Good thing I didn't text back "k" hehe
In Colorado just seen this tonight ! Pretty badass winter pilots !!!! Driving and flying😎 thank you 🇺🇲 I subs. 👍
Thanks for the sub!
I'm from Canada, great video EH!
That looked like a fun hill! I run twin lockers. I put an ARB air locker on the front axle. It is a beast!
haha lockers are the thing of the future I think
@@countryslickerofficial unfortunately I think lockers may be a thing of the past. I say that because they have been around for decades yet so many manufacturers are opting for electronic braking to try to mimic lockers and limit slip. Lockers are generally a little rough and abusive. The inexperienced may even think their truck was broken when they experience lockers for the first time. Look at automatic transmissions, firm shifts are best for them but people expect a smooth shift so they get a smooth shift that wears stuff out.
I'm running an Arb in the front and a Lockrite in the rear.
Great video nice to see zj for a change. Got one myself. From Montana
they are great rigs, entry for ya is 6817792
Hey Country Slicker nice video you showed that there's a big difference in lockers versus none I'm from Southern Maryland and I own a 2019 Wrangler Sahara Unlimited lifted and a 2001 Xj Sport 4'' lift OME on 31's and will install lockers,
sounds like some solid rigs! thanks for watching and your entry number is 6817795
Brake lock diffs with traction control make a huge difference also .. way better than limited slip diff
Liked the video because of the check engine light comment, subbed because the shop/paper towel filter lol. Great video, keep up the great work.
we do what we can haha
Watching from West Virginia, cool video keep the content coming.
we def will! entry is 6817812
Watching from USA. Thanks for all the videos!
thanks for watching, entry is 681 7754
Hearty greetings from the beautiful high deserts and forests of Idaho. I Really like your Country Slicker logo and the drone trick. I don't have a drone and have always wondered how much of a payload they can carry. I noticed the downwash is inflating the bag and pushing down against the drone's efforts to rise. If you collapsed the shopping bag around the cell phone and tied a half-hitch knot in the handles then the bag can't inflate and it would carry the payload much better and easier. "If mama ain't happy, nobody's happy." Always check-in at the home front LOL... 🙂
haha that's actually a really good idea on the drone! next time will be trying that, entry is 681 7776
From Oregon. Don't have a ZJ yet but thinking of getting one with either a 4.7 or 5.9 V8 motor. Just became a subscriber today. Good Video. Had a Jeep Cherokee XJ and loved her. Currently building a LJ right now and wife as a 4 door JKU.
entry is 6817764, right on man good luck on the lj project
Awesome video
Thank you!
This reminds me of one A hole in a built XJ who felt obligated to help a forest ranger who was pulling a kid and his 2wd drive ram out of snowy trench. Just tried to spark up conversation by asking if he had lockers. In his complete arrogant tone of voice he looked at me as if it was dumbest person and said you shouldn’t use lockers in the snow 😑. I get it lockers can bind up on turns and not every situation on ice/ snow requires lockers. However this just shows lockers make a positive difference in snow also and that guy wasn’t just an A hole but an ignorant one at that. Thanks for the video.
Just got a new jeep rubicon. Watching from Kentucky. Hoping we get some snow like this sometime soon to test out my lockers!
can't wait to see the test of them! entry is 6817736
Sweet wheeling like video alot Watching from Edmonton AB
Can't wait for my zj to be out on the trail 🤘
haha get it out there man! entry is 6817772
@@countryslickerofficial I am going to axle swap it this summer and put a custom long arm
Had the 3.5 pro comp and 31" tires but its not enough lol!!
I have been collecting parts for a while now still need few more things then it's off to the shop
@@FunAdventuresImp sounds like a nice build!
Sweet video. Watching from Cumberland County Tennessee
Working on a wj overland with Quadra drive. And can’t wait to have fun with it
those are sweet rigs,
That jeep sounds amazibg
Sub'd because great production!
Watching from Nevada USA and gotta say I love to see a vlog with a zj... It's my favorite body style I wouldn't trade mine for the world
thanks for watching. I was skeptical when I bought mine but its treated me pretty well
@@countryslickerofficial I honestly wanted mine for like 2 years before I bought her for $500. Best money I have ever spent
I have front locker on my yj, gets me 99% of the places I want to go. Love snow wheeling, but not a lot of it here in Southeast Arizona.
I’m in Alaska and I drive a 1992 Jeep renegade that’s mostly in stock condition but still does amazing off road and helps in winter the only thing I don’t like is the leaf springs
Good for you. Watching from Calgary.
Southern Illinois. Send some snow our way so I can also play. Happy trails!
haha sorry we keeping it all! entry number is 6817745
Cool....used to liv in BC, now SW Saskatchewan.....I have had a 93 Zed Jay for about ten years...4.0 which runs like new.....replaced the tranny, grenaded and replaced the transfer case, rebuilt the rear end.....other than general maintenance over the years this beast just keeps running and running...over 430000 km on it.....and although in the process of putting on a bumper skin and some bits from my parts Jeep after a pronghorn lost a head butting contest at 110 kph....it is the old style full 4WD transfer case, not the AWD setup. I've grown to love this thing as much as I did my YJ.
I had way way too much fun in that zj for what it cost me. Definitely miss that truck at times.
Yes! This was a good vid
thanks man!
Watching from Pennsylvania..nice video
idaho. this channel has a lot of promise. keep it up.
appreciate that! thanks for watching, hoping we continue to grow. entry is 681 7782
Good old Wypress
Man, I love my province!
Great video bro
thanks man! yeah she never disappoints
always nice to know on the lockers...have them front and back on my jeep. from Oregon here
wish I had lockers, all in due time. entry is 6817804 thanks for watching! I bet your 37s would do well here.
@@countryslickerofficial haven't been in deep snow here; only about a foot. the tires help with the clearance for sure.
Awesome drone text idea! BTW get lockers
def need some lockers/
That 5.9 sounds sooo good! Awesome day guys. Howdy from down here in Idaho. I run a Detroit TruTrac in the rear, for good streetabilty, and open front. But if I were to get really serious I would run air or electric locker in front, (maybe another Trutrac). Great day out there guys, Howdy from down here in Idaho
+ 1 on the true track for areas with snow. The tru track pushes me up stuff in rwd where I previously needed 4wd
@@riversrepairworks7080 Ain't it awesome? I had the factory trac-loc, but they wear and need to be rebuilt.... So, when I re-geared, I went with the TruTrac.
entry is 6817755, I agree that 5.9 is SNOTTY
Subscribed the second i heard you were in Wiaprous Alta🇨🇦!!
🍻😷👍
right on man! do you wheel the area often?
East Kootenays, I've wheeled with Clay years ago with the Fourwheel Stampeders. He's definitely a Grand Cherokee guru. I like your casual video style.
Hes def a good guy! entry is 681 7775
Lockers are a must 👍
no argument there, I need some asap
That drone trick so clutch
Come on guys, we all know light bars before lockers!
haha FINALLY someone said it.
Mark from Keno Oregon. Good video I put true tracks in my TJ and I love them it’s locked up when I need it in open when I need it just an idea
Trutrac seems like a nice system contest entry is 6817779
Watching from Quebec. Nicely done.
thanks for watching, entry is 6817788
Lockers are definitely better but I have seen some amazing things done with factory limited slip
Dam straight like hells gate.
Hey this is Raymond from North Carolina got my trusty Dodge Ram stuck in the snow couple weekends ago wish I would have had two lockers so now I'm going to find out if I can get them since I have to put a new clutch in my truck power steering pump and master clutch cylinder and slave cylinder only got the clutch left to do and the rain has set in
Thanks for video
no problem!
New sub from Indiana. Sweet trails🤙
thanks for the support! entry is 6817725
man I sure wish we had snow like that around here ,course I don't have lockers in yet either but they in the works
We have plenty of that for sure. Still no locker on my end
Camera work is great and music overlay is complimentary and not obtrusive. Content was fantastic! Subbed from Indiana, USA.
appreciate that! we are trying to improve the audio, entry is 6817787
My name is Jr and I have a 2001 Jeep Grand Cherokee Laredo with the 4.0 I'm thinking about putting a long arm kit with a 4-in lift and 33s under it is that a good combo and I am watching from Louisville Kentucky USA