@@Urthdigger ...Yes it was? Aetheric Mimicry was added to the BLM repertoire with the level 60 BLU content in 5.15, and Gogo is level 70 and was added in 5.45.
Maybe I'm misremembering but didn't Gogo have a spell that webbed you to the ground and you couldn't survive without the counter teleport? Unless that was a different fight.
I actually thought the entire lore of blu was turning magic you get hit by into spells. Even the blue mage guy in tulliyolal eats fish that damages him inside to get new spells (or something like that, skimmed through it) Got surprised when i got that thanalan teleport spell recently without being hit by anything
Doing Carnivale with no guides is some of the most fun I've had in this game. Sure not every stage is a banger, but the puzzle solving is a ton of fun!
I only used a guide when i just could not figure what to do on my own, some of the carnival stages dont do a good job of explaining what youre dealing with
@@Nihonguy how guides should be used tbh. back in the 90s. we bought strategy guides for ps1 games and point and clicks but only if we hit a wall. i think the "quick google" makes it to easy to just check it online after 1 attempt. or a attempt at all.
Now granted, even after 45 episodes, I find the "Tremble!" joke pretty dang funny. But for some reason the Final Sting Tremble into no spell really got me this time. Got off a *really* long day of work and this vid is just what i needed
"I know there is a better way, but that better way is DUMB, and BORING, and doesn't provide good CONTENT, so I'm going to do it whatever way I want and you're gonna LIKE IT." You're right. We do like it.
If i recall, there is an achievement for defeating Gogo quickly without failing a mechanic., just gotta defeat him about 11 minutes faster. So, we'll see you here again someday Cider! Muhahaha
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I'm really happy to see you doing Blue Mage. I did it shortly before Dawntrail and it was one of my favorite grinds in the game. It's good fun going though dungeons, trials, and raids with other people who may or may not have any off the significant blue mage spells. Masked Carnival is a lot of fun to figure out on your own. There aren't a lot of mandatory spells, although certain spells make things significantly more simple and quicker. I definitely look forward to seeing you take on more Blue Mage content.
I think what Soren Johnson meant to say was "Given the opportunity, XIV players will optimize the fun out of a cider spider video". Keep up the good fight, King. Learning things for yourself is good for the brain.
“Standing in AoEs even though you don't need to be hit to learn Blue Mage spells” was a gag in DrakGamestein's BLU video. Your video from last week reminded me of that.
Your commitment to doing shit however you want because its fun and fuck guides is the exact reason I subscribe. We need more of this in gaming, especially MMO gaming.
Progress report. Lalachievements score 17,200. Another slow week. I picked up The Customer Is Always Right: Ameliance IV doing weeklies, and Reforged: Majestic Manderville Harp Bow with excess poetics. Still haven't climbed out of the Satisfactory-shaped hole.
You learned the truth of Blue Mage: that fights are won or lost not on DPS, but rather mechanics! Congratulations! "Four-faced" means you used at least four spells that came from your face, like your eyes or mouth. Outside of weekly challenges or achievements, it can basically be ignored.
4:18 Responding to this discussion: A lot of things in this game are designed to be solved collaboratively. Big Fishing, BLU Spells, the ARR Sightseeing log, certain relic weapons steps ... they are deliberately infeasible to figure out all on your own, because the designers want the community to work together and share information. Learning these things purely by trial and error with no outside help is *not* the intended experience, nor is it particularly fun - I would know, I tried to single-handedly track down an ARR Big Fish without guides and it was miserable. If you want the intended experience of figuring out these things, the only way to do that is develop a time machine, be there when the content was current, and talk to all the other people sharing their data. For those of us living in 2024, though, guides should be used liberally anytime you are bored or frustrated with a lack of progress.
He said a hundred times that he finds it more fun to not know, and people told him stuff anyway despite his explicit instructions. Don't you think it's just a bit self-centered to decide on someone else's behalf "you won't have fun if you do it that way, *I would know* because I tried it and I didn't like it"?
It is not more fun for YOU. Are you him? No? Then it doesn't goddamn matter what you think is more fun, he shouldn't be told. I also find it more fun to bash my head against the problem and brute force it. The intended experience also doesn't matter. It is a program he is paying to have fun with and he'll use it to have fun. Did you know Kellog made corn flakes to be chewed at least 40 times per bite while singing and being randomly, to stop you from ever wanting to masturbate? He ran a really weird sanitarium, but am I having breakfast wrong? No because author intent only matters when analyzing things in relation to the author.. Guides should be used liberally when you want to, sure. BUT HE ISNT AT THAT POINT. And doesn't want others to force him to!
@@maromania7Hoodie isn't really responding to Cider not wanting to do it from what I can tell, its the idea that using guides removes fun. Which for some it can but at the same time using guides can make things MUCH more enjoyable that it kinda is a mute point. Sharing information is extremely encouraged as each Relic step tells you to do this, crafter and gatherer role quests, some side quests, etc. all say explicitly that you should find and share information with each other. Those interactions are the fun part and intent of doing things without clear instructions from the game. Cider saying people optimizing things lose out on fun is as valid as optimizing is fun for others. Its only valid for an individual but speaking for others generally doesn't make sense. But I agree BECAUSE he asked not to be told stuff it should not. The only point I think was fair to bring up was the being hit by a spell because the game tells you that you need to see a spell be used to try and learn it, since a good chunk of spells you can't get hit by even because it's a status, a heal, etc. and that is just clarifying information that was incorrectly taken before. That and just mentioning to Blue Log to be a good way to get achivo progress AND spells are harmless recs that don't spoil things. But exactly where to go and how to do things should be avoided
I'm glad to see you're enjoying Blu, its one of my favorite jobs. Watching you having so much fun with this series for so long as made me decide to start playing on my Playstation and trophy hunt. Gotta get that sweet sweet platinum.
Going in Blind into a game is always fun and interesting discovering when you go "Oh I was Right, I knew that was going to happen" or being completely shocked you hadnt figured out was so easy after knowing. The only time I condone guides is for 100% completion and you have arounf 80% but struggling to keep tabs on what you do and dont already have even though youve gone through the entire game and the other time being for when you keep failing, dying multiple times because you are doing something wrong and you need that bit of extra guidance help. I bet you were feeling amazing figuring this stuff out and succeeding your personal way. It will definitely be a memory you wont forget when brought up.
I award you a viewer achievement for defeating Gogo without diamondback. The Most Least Effort Possible Blue Mage : 10 pts. Cause you might have least efforted the spells, you most efforted the fight and won!
I respect not wanting to guide your way through BLU. I accepted for my sanity that I would take the efficient solo leveling method, how spell acquisition works across each situation, and just who and where gives what spell without fixating on what any spell actually does. Means I still get surprised by everything I learn while I didn't lose dozens of hours to slowly fighting every enemy in the game 40 times juuuuust in case.
I ran a board game club for years and I had to tell people all the time "It's okay is someone does something sub optimally. As long as they are having fun, let them do their own thing." As is famously said, "Given the opportunity, players will optimize the fun out of a game." (Civ devs)
I am glad you decided to learn Choco Meteor. That's probably the bread and butter of any leveling process for Blue Mage due to how potent it is when you have your chocobo out. ^_^ Also, thank you for showing the cutscenes at the end. That is the only time I will experience them as I intend to stop playing FFXIV when Wizard101 comes to consoles so I won't ever finish the Blue Mage quests. :(
3:57 i knew (know?) people that, during our wow days, were 1 step away from letting a program play for them because "it was efficient". they literaly just had to move their character while the program hit the most optimal rotation.
I’m all for people playing the games they like the way they like, but I can’t see how it would be fun to play a game if I’m not actually playing the game
The ol' Healbot days. The fun thing was you could tell pretty easily who was healboting and who wasn't by how fast they were getting their heals out and that was always the person you killed first in PvP battlegrounds.
I respect going for achievements in a way that is enjoyable to yourself. I got some heat in an old group of mine before for doing stuff in a way thats "not efficient" I would go for Lifer by doing Trial roulette 10x a day, and my tank titles by doing Raid Roulette 10x a day because I found that a little more enjoyable than spamming Ifrit or Hali. People would tell me I'm wasting time, that I could be climbing ranks a lot faster...well in the long run, leve quest take 7 years, we got plenty of time to take it easy and enjoy the ride. There are plenty of time gates in the game that allow for us to spend most of the time playing taking it easy and relaxing along the way.
I have way more fun tanking random raids than spamming the same thing over again. You get poetics and other stuff for running them anyway. Do the more fun thing for you for sure.
I've really enjoyed the last couple blue mage episodes. I'm aware they were just means to a triple triad ends, but it seemed like you were having a lot more fun with just trying to figure things out on your own.
I'm really looking forward to whenever you decide to do the rest of the BLU content. A lot of the Masked Carnivale stages are fun puzzles where you need to get creative with whatever BLU spells you've managed to pick up in order to finish a fight or complete the optional objectives. Technically you can brute force a lot of them (either by hammering away and healing, or by using specific killer combos), but there's a lot of room for trying to figure out solutions without having to look them up.
The hard part about Gogo is the achievement clear, mostly because if you opt for Diamondback, bad aoe luck could land you a vuln stack, and the tornadoes really hurt visibility.
Congrats on the clear, very impressive consistency to do that many rounds of Gogo. Best wishes for when you go for the achievement versions of those fights. on my side of the achievement grind I've successfully entered the top 1k global on lalachievements, which feels very nice! Not entirely sure how long I'll stay there, but at the very least I made it in once.
i think i would genuinely enjoy the carnivale if it didn’t boot you out of the instance on death, making you queue back in every single time, as it is now the annoyance always creeps in after a couple attempts
I'm very impressed you did Gogo with such a relatively minimal spell loadout. Especially without Diamondback, that's crazy - I didn't know you could survive some of that stuff with just Mighty Guard.
You absolutely should go find all the BLU spells blind - every time they added an update to BLU (and even it's introduction) my friend and I would cut ourselves off from any information and go around and kill everything to figure out blind what spells would come from where. It was so much fun; we'd even figure out the best duo powerlevelling spots between us as well once we'd acquired all the spells in the outside world. Much more fun than merely looking up a guide and following it to grab every spell (not that there was a guide on literally day one, but you get the gist).
I only used a list for getting spells because if not....would taken forever for me! but all carnival can be done with guides and trial errors of what spells to bring for each fight when you have most of them. Just keep having fun and figuring it out your way!
I really adore Blue Mage; it's content that has forced me to socialise with other players, since as much as you can do solo, you NEED others to get a lot of spells, level safely, and of course, go for the insane savage blue achievements (good luck with those!). Learning the spells always manages to feel rewarding and tailoring my kit for a given fight is fun to tweak around with. Really hope Beastmaster provides more of this feeling.
Putting in *TONS* of effort and strategy to beat something or get a spell you think is good (1,000 needles at a very low level) only to default to white wind, mighty guard, and [CENSORED] is the true blue mage experience.
Your little tangent about efficiency and reliance on guides is something I have experienced first hand as an addition to that, people will usually assume Dataminers are the reason guides exist. Which is annoying as all get out. Like the first jump is "I can't figure something out in 5 picoseconds? this game REQUIRES guides." then "There's no way people figured this out on their own, dataminers must've leaked all this info!" and I have no idea how it came to that.
Yeah whoever said it "required diamondback" basically follow "Bluemage academy" or whatnot to the note. While yes diamondback will make times easier its not 100% needed, mighty guard can be used at times needed. You can do nearly everything without following any guide out there; especially the carnival fights. Those fights are all about learning the mechanics and doing what you can around them. Fancier good spells aren't needed, they just can make things easier as they just have better and better damage and/or effects/bonuses. Like dots that last whole fight or very long time, debuffs, multiple hits for lots of damage, straight up higher potency, etc. Not needed for carnival fights just can make it simpler :). But simpler can be nice :).
I mean the thing to keep in mind though at the time I am almost certain that was a one shot. We got a lot better food in the like what 6 years since then? The amount of HP is quite a bit higher since food doesn't cap. Like if he were to attempt the dolls on Goldor I'm sure he would die for sure. But yes the guides are just the easiest possible way to do the carnival and there's a bunch of solutions.
As someone who's done all the current blue content up to eden, I approve of your way of doing Gogo. Honestly, unless you dip into Blue savage, there is really nothing you can do wrong as blue as long as it works. High level raids as blue are the only thing where you'd want some spells for the same reason you want to know your class rotation in current sabage content.
The thing about blue mage is that even for people that do play it regularly, there is plenty of disinformation that gets spread around like the "you can't survive Gogo meteor without diamondback" thing. People fall into the trap of thinking only one specific spell can solve a particular situation (which is sometimes true like with exuviation), when more spells just gives you more options. For example, with just 2 other spells (which I won't name for the sake of your intended way to play) your MP economy for healing would have been *significantly* easier to manage because white wind sucks for spam healing
There's a lot of really difficult Blue mage challenges without purposely making it more obscure than it already is to find spells. Regardless as an achievement hunter you'll be dealing with Gogo again later down the road as there's a specific achievement tied to his fight that I'm sure you didn't get.
Haha this shit is great! I also stumbled into BLU stuff last year sometime and did the whole carnival without any guides either. I started looking up stuff when I was getting lost on where to get certain spells and fell into the rabbit hole of optimal loadouts and realised how little spells I did those fights with lmao once you get into it it's really fun though coming up with ways to counter the stuff the fights have. Definitely want more harder fights to play with!
Some Blue Mage spells are OGCD, so it goes much faster when you have those spells since you're not just using ONE ATTACK over and over every 2.5 seconds. Also, Diamondback is VERY EASY to get solo IF YOU HAVE INSTANT DEATH SPELLS. Won't tell you where they are, but you CAN get several of them.
Grats on your Blue Mage work. My own achievement grind got a nice boost; I finally maxed all of my classes, culminating in "Life of Adventure VI". I'm not sure what to focus on next. Maybe collecting the Endwalker Trial mounts. I still need a few of those.
Guides are often written by a single person, but that doesn't mean they got all that information on their own. Guides are usually made after various people have gone through these processes, and are more often than not a collection of the easiest or most effective ways to go about doing something that the community as a whole has figured out. It's very rare for a guide to be solely crafted through one person's experiences, and it usually only occurs because the game has a very small community with no one else trying to discuss anything. Even ones that start as a solo endeavor may end up becoming a communal effort as other players see the guide and offer different perspectives leading to changes in the information provided. Successful MMO's usually have very large communities, and actively encourage sharing information to help keep interest in the game alive. While trying to do everything without guides is commendable in principle, it's not necessarily feasible for this type of game. There's so much extra trial and error experience that you would have to put yourself through, that is meant to be gained through conversations with others that have tried in your community. There's also information you may have been given in-game that you either missed or forgot (I've seen a few comments mention as much), and having people point that out probably shouldn't be seen as giving you a guide, and instead just be seem as a reminder of game mechanics. With all that said, I'm not trying to say how you enjoy things is wrong, I just have to point out the flaw in your reasoning. I have never played FFXIV myself, and cannot give any guidance in the game. I just enjoy watching you attempt getting all the achievements, and it's better if you have fun while doing so.
@@RyuSaarva Are you sure you replied to the right comment? Because my comment is more focused on game guides as a whole. It's a rebuttal to the implication that the people who write the guides went about the game like he is telling the commenters he wants to. Only one sentence even refers to the information commenters gave him, and i'm referring to the people that told him that he doesn't need to get hit, since that's apparently mentioned when you are introduced to the class.
@@connorhamilton5707 I don't see why people would bother to test damage numbers after every patch for random old quides if they already are good enough for people to get clears, so yes I did intend to reply to you.
I feel like this is the case of Blue Mages in particular - the game is deliberately designed to get you to collaborate with your fellow Blue Mages. That's why there's the Blue Mage Log!
Mr. Cider Spider, I need you to know that the Dawntrail song you use for DCing I didn't even know was a DT song because I heard it in your videos first. I was so caught off guard when I heard it in DT MSQ recently that now when it plays in game it's the funniest shit for me. Also this Blue Mage video was very Solo Only of you and utterly delightful. Players like you make this game wonderful.
Calling out the standing in damage isn't a spoiler, Martyn laughs at you for doing it in the lv1 cutscene. A petty thing to be triggered by but I'm glad you're aware. The bigger news is your stoic victory against gogo, congratulations and happy card hunting!
At least you have a stream to leverage doing sync'd trials and dungeons and the logbook. Some of us are alone out here so we need the guides to save what time we can.
"Whack, and lame, and boring" Like, I get you don't want to do it but that is literally one of the coolest mob interactions in the entire overworld lol.
The time I spent figuring out BLU on my own has been a lot of fun, and I kind of regret when I eventually started using guides even if I my progress without them had grinded to a complete halt. It's sorta nice experiencing BLU this way through watching
Wow congrats on the Gogo clear without Diamondback! Between that and White Wind being your only healing option I'm really impressed. "I can't help but wonder how much faster it might be if I had better spells" - I won't tell you much about them since you don't want to be handheld (I respect that), but yes your DPS will significantly improve once you get more spells, especially any spell that runs entirely off its own cooldown instead of the global cooldown.
Since you're going for all achievements, that means you have to get in a party of all BLUs to do each expansion's extreme and main savage fights (get morbol mount from Bahamut + Alexander fights too). So get your BLU on!
Is there a trick to winning the every other week tournaments to get the cards from those? Those are the last I need but I get smacked down enough each time to never rank in the top 10 :(
I get that blue mage isn't your favorite with you being forced into it; but the Carnival is amazing content. Watching you manage stance-dancing/mp-management/dispells/pyretic/positioning etc. was really cool.
The one good thing about getting Diamondback is that nightmare Turtle boss is weak to the Blue Mage spell Missile, which reduces HP by 50%, and just completely wiping out that jerk like he's just some trash mob, after all the times I've gotten that awful dungeon in roulette, makes it worth it!
"Bashing my head against the wall" - Says the guy winning Gogo without any spells. Well you know what they say: "Bash your head against the wall and eventually the wall will crumble."
Hey, most basic guide to learn any blue mage spell: 1. Be around enemy who does the spell. 2. Watch the spell being performed. 3. You didn’t learn it, did you? 4. Wow, that’s just like you, isn’t it? 5. Yeah yeah, go ahead, crawl under the table and cry…
fun fact, my friend kept telling me i couldnt beat gogo without getting the cleanse but i never got it, but i still showed up my pals by looming around during the the heavy
Ah Triple Triad, the last bastion of hope for newer players doing tribes, BLU, optional trials/raids, Eureka, Bozja and deep dungeons... Probably Variants too once they add a second mount. Also Gogo without Mimicry is nuts, kudos for finding that absurd degree of patience. Pomcure with Healer Mimicry makes most of these "hard" fights a breeze, it's much more MP efficient and you can still Mighty Guard for the heavy hits.
dont forget all the mightier than ________ acheivments as well edit for those who don't know what i'm talking about for every ex or last boss of coils or savage tier from shb or earlier there's an achievement for doing it level synced, no echo in a party of 8 blu . You get the Morbol mount for doing all the coils and alex savage ones
"Hi im Cider Spider and i am on a journey to get every avaliable achievement in FFXIV. This monumental grind takes countless hours in gameplay where it expand several years and im taking it on 1 week at time, so lets get started"
Bro if you are true to your mindset of figuring out stuff on yr own. Stop everything you doing and start fishing, I will check back on you in 10 years time to see how far you progressed xD Even if you do follow detailed guide, you will still loose your sanity often while fishing ;)
There's actually a lot of attacks in BLU raiding that guides will claim you NEED Diamondback for, but in reality they can be cheesed with like... Healer Mimicry Gobskin and Mighty Guard. Or just full HP and Mighty Guard. You get the idea.
There was likely cases before it, but better food/gear/and the stat squish impacted a lot of things for BLU. iirc the Manipulator from A4S had issues with Dark Damage scaling (reduced damage effects like Addle don't affect it) where it was not clearable the way it used to. Libra's element based debuffs had a bit more or less of an effect than intended, and some mechanics in Masked Carnivale no longer result in an instant wipe. So those guides are CORRECT but they were not updated bc realistically it is not intended, and why update something for 5 years ago or something when it just allows for more wiggle room rather than change how it is supposed to be done
Yeahh my friend helped me power level blu ages ago for a moogle tome event & rushed through some carnival stuff. There was a veryy efficient way to farm one of the coils (whatever one that you have to "pass the rot" in). But then i lost all interest in blu because it was made to be a *chore* @_@ I love just casually leveling, i justtt finished picto and it was relaxing that way.
I leveled it normally on my main but for my alt, I did do the feeding trick once. It instantly got me to level 26, at which point I was able to just barely survive beating up the cactuar for 1000 needles, which I then used to power level normally.
24:39 "That just goes to show that you can succeed in life by doing the absolute bare minimum." Puts in 1000% more effort than most Blue Mages.
Not gonna lie... I'm impressed that you did that Gogo fight without Diamondback.
I'm ASTOUNDED that you pulled it off without Aetheric Mimicry.
Yeah it was entirely the lack of Healer Mimic managing to keep enough MP that just blew my mind!
@@Urthdigger ...Yes it was? Aetheric Mimicry was added to the BLM repertoire with the level 60 BLU content in 5.15, and Gogo is level 70 and was added in 5.45.
Maybe I'm misremembering but didn't Gogo have a spell that webbed you to the ground and you couldn't survive without the counter teleport? Unless that was a different fight.
@@KGhaleon I'm assuming it was a different one but man I remember that too! I had to have Loom or whatever it was.
@@KGhaleon That would be Goldar
Congrats on embracing the true spirit of blue mage: finding a way to cheese things.
Getting hit by all those attacks absolutely served an important purpose. It triggered EVERYONE. That good sir is a quality of it's own. Never change
If you get enjoyment over irritating people that says more about you then anything else
I actually thought the entire lore of blu was turning magic you get hit by into spells. Even the blue mage guy in tulliyolal eats fish that damages him inside to get new spells (or something like that, skimmed through it) Got surprised when i got that thanalan teleport spell recently without being hit by anything
It got people to leave comments, so that sounds like a win
@@marfur9"skimmed through it" Therein lies the problem. You get explicitly told at the start that you don't need to get hit.
It's funny cause we were conditioned by other games that you have to get hit.@@Soridan
Doing Carnivale with no guides is some of the most fun I've had in this game. Sure not every stage is a banger, but the puzzle solving is a ton of fun!
I only used a guide when i just could not figure what to do on my own, some of the carnival stages dont do a good job of explaining what youre dealing with
I try twice and then immeditaly look at your guides lmao I rage too quickly
@@Nihonguy how guides should be used tbh. back in the 90s. we bought strategy guides for ps1 games and point and clicks but only if we hit a wall. i think the "quick google" makes it to easy to just check it online after 1 attempt. or a attempt at all.
Now granted, even after 45 episodes, I find the "Tremble!" joke pretty dang funny. But for some reason the Final Sting Tremble into no spell really got me this time. Got off a *really* long day of work and this vid is just what i needed
"I know there is a better way, but that better way is DUMB, and BORING, and doesn't provide good CONTENT, so I'm going to do it whatever way I want and you're gonna LIKE IT."
You're right. We do like it.
Best BLU leveling guide:
1) Do whatever ya want
If i recall, there is an achievement for defeating Gogo quickly without failing a mechanic., just gotta defeat him about 11 minutes faster.
So, we'll see you here again someday Cider! Muhahaha
Reciting the intro with cider every episode gives me the good ol serotonin
Heck yeah fam! same here :D
What's your favorite Blue Mage spell?
Goblin PUNCH!
The Look is a close second because the animation is so good.
Self destruct of course!
Blaze. It's nothing special, but it looks cool as fuck. Also it's ice elemental.
Choco Meteor. It's nice to return the favor to that hells-damned bird.
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I'm really happy to see you doing Blue Mage. I did it shortly before Dawntrail and it was one of my favorite grinds in the game. It's good fun going though dungeons, trials, and raids with other people who may or may not have any off the significant blue mage spells.
Masked Carnival is a lot of fun to figure out on your own. There aren't a lot of mandatory spells, although certain spells make things significantly more simple and quicker. I definitely look forward to seeing you take on more Blue Mage content.
Cider spider : "everything i learned about blue mage have been learned without my consent"
MAD Baby has the power of Choco Meteor... Everyone now dies
Thanks as always CiderSpider!
When I finally beat Gogo and got my last Triple Triad card, ending a year-long card grind, I sat in stunned silence.
I think what Soren Johnson meant to say was "Given the opportunity, XIV players will optimize the fun out of a cider spider video".
Keep up the good fight, King. Learning things for yourself is good for the brain.
“Standing in AoEs even though you don't need to be hit to learn Blue Mage spells” was a gag in DrakGamestein's BLU video. Your video from last week reminded me of that.
Your commitment to doing shit however you want because its fun and fuck guides is the exact reason I subscribe. We need more of this in gaming, especially MMO gaming.
Progress report. Lalachievements score 17,200. Another slow week. I picked up The Customer Is Always Right: Ameliance IV doing weeklies, and Reforged: Majestic Manderville Harp Bow with excess poetics. Still haven't climbed out of the Satisfactory-shaped hole.
snapshotted heals are sooooo goood. I just love it when I cast my heal, the raidwide hits but the partys hp bar basically doesnt move.
To be fair, you standing in the AEs when you didn't have to wasn't completely pointless. It was quite amusing.
The funniest thing about doing the tempest cheese strat to level BLU is that if you fuck it up in a specific way you spawn an s rank!
You learned the truth of Blue Mage: that fights are won or lost not on DPS, but rather mechanics! Congratulations!
"Four-faced" means you used at least four spells that came from your face, like your eyes or mouth. Outside of weekly challenges or achievements, it can basically be ignored.
4:18 Responding to this discussion:
A lot of things in this game are designed to be solved collaboratively. Big Fishing, BLU Spells, the ARR Sightseeing log, certain relic weapons steps ... they are deliberately infeasible to figure out all on your own, because the designers want the community to work together and share information.
Learning these things purely by trial and error with no outside help is *not* the intended experience, nor is it particularly fun - I would know, I tried to single-handedly track down an ARR Big Fish without guides and it was miserable. If you want the intended experience of figuring out these things, the only way to do that is develop a time machine, be there when the content was current, and talk to all the other people sharing their data. For those of us living in 2024, though, guides should be used liberally anytime you are bored or frustrated with a lack of progress.
He said a hundred times that he finds it more fun to not know, and people told him stuff anyway despite his explicit instructions. Don't you think it's just a bit self-centered to decide on someone else's behalf "you won't have fun if you do it that way, *I would know* because I tried it and I didn't like it"?
@@hiten_style This was moreso responding to the sentiment that "The wiki writers figured it out on their own, so I can too".
It is not more fun for YOU. Are you him? No? Then it doesn't goddamn matter what you think is more fun, he shouldn't be told. I also find it more fun to bash my head against the problem and brute force it. The intended experience also doesn't matter. It is a program he is paying to have fun with and he'll use it to have fun. Did you know Kellog made corn flakes to be chewed at least 40 times per bite while singing and being randomly, to stop you from ever wanting to masturbate? He ran a really weird sanitarium, but am I having breakfast wrong? No because author intent only matters when analyzing things in relation to the author.. Guides should be used liberally when you want to, sure. BUT HE ISNT AT THAT POINT. And doesn't want others to force him to!
@@maromania7Hoodie isn't really responding to Cider not wanting to do it from what I can tell, its the idea that using guides removes fun. Which for some it can but at the same time using guides can make things MUCH more enjoyable that it kinda is a mute point. Sharing information is extremely encouraged as each Relic step tells you to do this, crafter and gatherer role quests, some side quests, etc. all say explicitly that you should find and share information with each other. Those interactions are the fun part and intent of doing things without clear instructions from the game. Cider saying people optimizing things lose out on fun is as valid as optimizing is fun for others. Its only valid for an individual but speaking for others generally doesn't make sense.
But I agree BECAUSE he asked not to be told stuff it should not. The only point I think was fair to bring up was the being hit by a spell because the game tells you that you need to see a spell be used to try and learn it, since a good chunk of spells you can't get hit by even because it's a status, a heal, etc. and that is just clarifying information that was incorrectly taken before. That and just mentioning to Blue Log to be a good way to get achivo progress AND spells are harmless recs that don't spoil things. But exactly where to go and how to do things should be avoided
I'm glad to see you're enjoying Blu, its one of my favorite jobs. Watching you having so much fun with this series for so long as made me decide to start playing on my Playstation and trophy hunt. Gotta get that sweet sweet platinum.
"go read a shampoo bottle or something" is such a funny dismissive insult lol
Going in Blind into a game is always fun and interesting discovering when you go "Oh I was Right, I knew that was going to happen" or being completely shocked you hadnt figured out was so easy after knowing. The only time I condone guides is for 100% completion and you have arounf 80% but struggling to keep tabs on what you do and dont already have even though youve gone through the entire game and the other time being for when you keep failing, dying multiple times because you are doing something wrong and you need that bit of extra guidance help. I bet you were feeling amazing figuring this stuff out and succeeding your personal way. It will definitely be a memory you wont forget when brought up.
I award you a viewer achievement for defeating Gogo without diamondback.
The Most Least Effort Possible Blue Mage : 10 pts. Cause you might have least efforted the spells, you most efforted the fight and won!
I respect not wanting to guide your way through BLU. I accepted for my sanity that I would take the efficient solo leveling method, how spell acquisition works across each situation, and just who and where gives what spell without fixating on what any spell actually does. Means I still get surprised by everything I learn while I didn't lose dozens of hours to slowly fighting every enemy in the game 40 times juuuuust in case.
I ran a board game club for years and I had to tell people all the time "It's okay is someone does something sub optimally. As long as they are having fun, let them do their own thing."
As is famously said, "Given the opportunity, players will optimize the fun out of a game." (Civ devs)
I am glad you decided to learn Choco Meteor. That's probably the bread and butter of any leveling process for Blue Mage due to how potent it is when you have your chocobo out. ^_^
Also, thank you for showing the cutscenes at the end. That is the only time I will experience them as I intend to stop playing FFXIV when Wizard101 comes to consoles so I won't ever finish the Blue Mage quests. :(
3:57 i knew (know?) people that, during our wow days, were 1 step away from letting a program play for them because "it was efficient". they literaly just had to move their character while the program hit the most optimal rotation.
I’m all for people playing the games they like the way they like, but I can’t see how it would be fun to play a game if I’m not actually playing the game
The ol' Healbot days. The fun thing was you could tell pretty easily who was healboting and who wasn't by how fast they were getting their heals out and that was always the person you killed first in PvP battlegrounds.
everyone needs to remember, bro literally gets paid to play the game, why would he be interested in saving time?
I respect going for achievements in a way that is enjoyable to yourself.
I got some heat in an old group of mine before for doing stuff in a way thats "not efficient"
I would go for Lifer by doing Trial roulette 10x a day, and my tank titles by doing Raid Roulette 10x a day because I found that a little more enjoyable than spamming Ifrit or Hali.
People would tell me I'm wasting time, that I could be climbing ranks a lot faster...well in the long run, leve quest take 7 years, we got plenty of time to take it easy and enjoy the ride.
There are plenty of time gates in the game that allow for us to spend most of the time playing taking it easy and relaxing along the way.
I have way more fun tanking random raids than spamming the same thing over again. You get poetics and other stuff for running them anyway. Do the more fun thing for you for sure.
I've really enjoyed the last couple blue mage episodes. I'm aware they were just means to a triple triad ends, but it seemed like you were having a lot more fun with just trying to figure things out on your own.
I'm really looking forward to whenever you decide to do the rest of the BLU content. A lot of the Masked Carnivale stages are fun puzzles where you need to get creative with whatever BLU spells you've managed to pick up in order to finish a fight or complete the optional objectives. Technically you can brute force a lot of them (either by hammering away and healing, or by using specific killer combos), but there's a lot of room for trying to figure out solutions without having to look them up.
Cider favoring drills even when he's not Machinist, noice!
The hard part about Gogo is the achievement clear, mostly because if you opt for Diamondback, bad aoe luck could land you a vuln stack, and the tornadoes really hurt visibility.
Congrats on the clear, very impressive consistency to do that many rounds of Gogo. Best wishes for when you go for the achievement versions of those fights.
on my side of the achievement grind I've successfully entered the top 1k global on lalachievements, which feels very nice! Not entirely sure how long I'll stay there, but at the very least I made it in once.
i think i would genuinely enjoy the carnivale if it didn’t boot you out of the instance on death, making you queue back in every single time, as it is now the annoyance always creeps in after a couple attempts
I'm very impressed you did Gogo with such a relatively minimal spell loadout. Especially without Diamondback, that's crazy - I didn't know you could survive some of that stuff with just Mighty Guard.
You absolutely should go find all the BLU spells blind - every time they added an update to BLU (and even it's introduction) my friend and I would cut ourselves off from any information and go around and kill everything to figure out blind what spells would come from where. It was so much fun; we'd even figure out the best duo powerlevelling spots between us as well once we'd acquired all the spells in the outside world. Much more fun than merely looking up a guide and following it to grab every spell (not that there was a guide on literally day one, but you get the gist).
I only used a list for getting spells because if not....would taken forever for me! but all carnival can be done with guides and trial errors of what spells to bring for each fight when you have most of them.
Just keep having fun and figuring it out your way!
I really adore Blue Mage; it's content that has forced me to socialise with other players, since as much as you can do solo, you NEED others to get a lot of spells, level safely, and of course, go for the insane savage blue achievements (good luck with those!). Learning the spells always manages to feel rewarding and tailoring my kit for a given fight is fun to tweak around with. Really hope Beastmaster provides more of this feeling.
I too thought that fight was impossible without diamondback.....gotta say im impressed!
Putting in *TONS* of effort and strategy to beat something or get a spell you think is good (1,000 needles at a very low level) only to default to white wind, mighty guard, and [CENSORED] is the true blue mage experience.
I read on the back of a shampoo bottle that the most important part of Blue Mage is wearing Blue
That’s why my BLU glam is pink
Finding your own cheese, the to blue mage way
Did you know if you defeat just about every mob in game you can get experience pointa
Love your videos 😅 i listen to it constantly while grinding endlessly
Your little tangent about efficiency and reliance on guides is something I have experienced first hand as an addition to that, people will usually assume Dataminers are the reason guides exist. Which is annoying as all get out. Like the first jump is "I can't figure something out in 5 picoseconds? this game REQUIRES guides." then "There's no way people figured this out on their own, dataminers must've leaked all this info!" and I have no idea how it came to that.
If they admit that someone else figured it out then it becomes a point of shame. "Why couldn't I figure it out?"
Yeah whoever said it "required diamondback" basically follow "Bluemage academy" or whatnot to the note. While yes diamondback will make times easier its not 100% needed, mighty guard can be used at times needed. You can do nearly everything without following any guide out there; especially the carnival fights. Those fights are all about learning the mechanics and doing what you can around them. Fancier good spells aren't needed, they just can make things easier as they just have better and better damage and/or effects/bonuses. Like dots that last whole fight or very long time, debuffs, multiple hits for lots of damage, straight up higher potency, etc. Not needed for carnival fights just can make it simpler :). But simpler can be nice :).
I mean the thing to keep in mind though at the time I am almost certain that was a one shot. We got a lot better food in the like what 6 years since then? The amount of HP is quite a bit higher since food doesn't cap. Like if he were to attempt the dolls on Goldor I'm sure he would die for sure. But yes the guides are just the easiest possible way to do the carnival and there's a bunch of solutions.
As someone who's done all the current blue content up to eden, I approve of your way of doing Gogo.
Honestly, unless you dip into Blue savage, there is really nothing you can do wrong as blue as long as it works.
High level raids as blue are the only thing where you'd want some spells for the same reason you want to know your class rotation in current sabage content.
“Sabage”
Foreshadowing the Cabbage (Savage) fight, perhaps?
The thing about blue mage is that even for people that do play it regularly, there is plenty of disinformation that gets spread around like the "you can't survive Gogo meteor without diamondback" thing. People fall into the trap of thinking only one specific spell can solve a particular situation (which is sometimes true like with exuviation), when more spells just gives you more options. For example, with just 2 other spells (which I won't name for the sake of your intended way to play) your MP economy for healing would have been *significantly* easier to manage because white wind sucks for spam healing
Can you name them for me?
@@Gloomdrake Pom cure and aetheric mimicry
1:40 your assumption is actually correct, you can learn it from Qarn as well. probably would have if we weren't all goobers here
There's a lot of really difficult Blue mage challenges without purposely making it more obscure than it already is to find spells. Regardless as an achievement hunter you'll be dealing with Gogo again later down the road as there's a specific achievement tied to his fight that I'm sure you didn't get.
DID HE ASK YOU?!?!
@@christopherbailey3547 I don't remember asking you.
Haha this shit is great! I also stumbled into BLU stuff last year sometime and did the whole carnival without any guides either. I started looking up stuff when I was getting lost on where to get certain spells and fell into the rabbit hole of optimal loadouts and realised how little spells I did those fights with lmao once you get into it it's really fun though coming up with ways to counter the stuff the fights have. Definitely want more harder fights to play with!
Some Blue Mage spells are OGCD, so it goes much faster when you have those spells since you're not just using ONE ATTACK over and over every 2.5 seconds.
Also, Diamondback is VERY EASY to get solo IF YOU HAVE INSTANT DEATH SPELLS.
Won't tell you where they are, but you CAN get several of them.
Grats on your Blue Mage work.
My own achievement grind got a nice boost; I finally maxed all of my classes, culminating in "Life of Adventure VI". I'm not sure what to focus on next. Maybe collecting the Endwalker Trial mounts. I still need a few of those.
Guides are often written by a single person, but that doesn't mean they got all that information on their own. Guides are usually made after various people have gone through these processes, and are more often than not a collection of the easiest or most effective ways to go about doing something that the community as a whole has figured out. It's very rare for a guide to be solely crafted through one person's experiences, and it usually only occurs because the game has a very small community with no one else trying to discuss anything. Even ones that start as a solo endeavor may end up becoming a communal effort as other players see the guide and offer different perspectives leading to changes in the information provided.
Successful MMO's usually have very large communities, and actively encourage sharing information to help keep interest in the game alive. While trying to do everything without guides is commendable in principle, it's not necessarily feasible for this type of game. There's so much extra trial and error experience that you would have to put yourself through, that is meant to be gained through conversations with others that have tried in your community. There's also information you may have been given in-game that you either missed or forgot (I've seen a few comments mention as much), and having people point that out probably shouldn't be seen as giving you a guide, and instead just be seem as a reminder of game mechanics.
With all that said, I'm not trying to say how you enjoy things is wrong, I just have to point out the flaw in your reasoning. I have never played FFXIV myself, and cannot give any guidance in the game. I just enjoy watching you attempt getting all the achievements, and it's better if you have fun while doing so.
The real reason is most likely that this was was released in shadowbringers and players have been buffed since then many times.
@@RyuSaarva Are you sure you replied to the right comment? Because my comment is more focused on game guides as a whole. It's a rebuttal to the implication that the people who write the guides went about the game like he is telling the commenters he wants to.
Only one sentence even refers to the information commenters gave him, and i'm referring to the people that told him that he doesn't need to get hit, since that's apparently mentioned when you are introduced to the class.
@@connorhamilton5707 I don't see why people would bother to test damage numbers after every patch for random old quides if they already are good enough for people to get clears, so yes I did intend to reply to you.
@@RyuSaarva So what part of my comment are you referring to then? Because I said nothing about old guides having outdated information.
I feel like this is the case of Blue Mages in particular - the game is deliberately designed to get you to collaborate with your fellow Blue Mages. That's why there's the Blue Mage Log!
As a BLU enjoyer, THAT was impressive! GG
You surely have them as a big pair of icosaedric materias for doing Anything Gogo's without Aetheric Mimicry out of sheer willpower
Love your videos mate. Thanks for the content.
Mr. Cider Spider, I need you to know that the Dawntrail song you use for DCing I didn't even know was a DT song because I heard it in your videos first. I was so caught off guard when I heard it in DT MSQ recently that now when it plays in game it's the funniest shit for me. Also this Blue Mage video was very Solo Only of you and utterly delightful. Players like you make this game wonderful.
Calling out the standing in damage isn't a spoiler, Martyn laughs at you for doing it in the lv1 cutscene. A petty thing to be triggered by but I'm glad you're aware. The bigger news is your stoic victory against gogo, congratulations and happy card hunting!
At least you have a stream to leverage doing sync'd trials and dungeons and the logbook. Some of us are alone out here so we need the guides to save what time we can.
"Whack, and lame, and boring" Like, I get you don't want to do it but that is literally one of the coolest mob interactions in the entire overworld lol.
The time I spent figuring out BLU on my own has been a lot of fun, and I kind of regret when I eventually started using guides even if I my progress without them had grinded to a complete halt. It's sorta nice experiencing BLU this way through watching
Wow congrats on the Gogo clear without Diamondback! Between that and White Wind being your only healing option I'm really impressed.
"I can't help but wonder how much faster it might be if I had better spells" - I won't tell you much about them since you don't want to be handheld (I respect that), but yes your DPS will significantly improve once you get more spells, especially any spell that runs entirely off its own cooldown instead of the global cooldown.
Since you're going for all achievements, that means you have to get in a party of all BLUs to do each expansion's extreme and main savage fights (get morbol mount from Bahamut + Alexander fights too). So get your BLU on!
I have some bluemage achievements but I needed the guide. Those bluemage carnival bosses are hard even with a guide strat.
for more achivement theres also the blue log where you do dungeon with other blue mage. you could do that while collecting spell
"Given the opportunity, players will optimize the fun out of a game" -Soren Johnson
Am I blue?
Am I blue?
Ain't these tears in these eyes telling you?
Am I blue?
You'd be too
If your schemes, like your dreams, done fell through
4:50 “looks at the variant dungeon videos” *BRUH*
killing gogo without the primal spells is actually super impressive! those it is like 10 minutes longer
Woo! Go go is a pain! Amazing job!
Is there a trick to winning the every other week tournaments to get the cards from those? Those are the last I need but I get smacked down enough each time to never rank in the top 10 :(
reminder, if you overleveled, basic auto attack (right click) is always an option.
I get that blue mage isn't your favorite with you being forced into it; but the Carnival is amazing content. Watching you manage stance-dancing/mp-management/dispells/pyretic/positioning etc. was really cool.
Don't feel too bad about comment spoiling blu stuff. The job was kinda built with the idea of the community sharing details
Not gonna spoil any BLU spell-getting strategies, but as a tip, white wind snapshots your HP at cast start and heals for that much at cast end.
2:05 is perfect..
The one good thing about getting Diamondback is that nightmare Turtle boss is weak to the Blue Mage spell Missile, which reduces HP by 50%, and just completely wiping out that jerk like he's just some trash mob, after all the times I've gotten that awful dungeon in roulette, makes it worth it!
"Bashing my head against the wall" - Says the guy winning Gogo without any spells.
Well you know what they say: "Bash your head against the wall and eventually the wall will crumble."
Cider Spider, the Blu Mage academy Discord Salutes you!!!!!!
I got got by the outro, well done.
Hey, most basic guide to learn any blue mage spell:
1. Be around enemy who does the spell.
2. Watch the spell being performed.
3. You didn’t learn it, did you?
4. Wow, that’s just like you, isn’t it?
5. Yeah yeah, go ahead, crawl under the table and cry…
fun fact, my friend kept telling me i couldnt beat gogo without getting the cleanse but i never got it, but i still showed up my pals by looming around during the the heavy
Ah Triple Triad, the last bastion of hope for newer players doing tribes, BLU, optional trials/raids, Eureka, Bozja and deep dungeons... Probably Variants too once they add a second mount. Also Gogo without Mimicry is nuts, kudos for finding that absurd degree of patience. Pomcure with Healer Mimicry makes most of these "hard" fights a breeze, it's much more MP efficient and you can still Mighty Guard for the heavy hits.
I look forward when you eventually have to go back into Carnivale to get all the achievements there.
dont forget all the mightier than ________ acheivments as well
edit for those who don't know what i'm talking about for every ex or last boss of coils or savage tier from shb or earlier there's an achievement for doing it level synced, no echo in a party of 8 blu . You get the Morbol mount for doing all the coils and alex savage ones
Or you can be a masochist and decide to get Glittier than Goldor on first clear like I've said here, but that umbrella was worth it.
"Who wrote the guides?" Data miners.
"Hi im Cider Spider and i am on a journey to get every avaliable achievement in FFXIV. This monumental grind takes countless hours in gameplay where it expand several years and im taking it on 1 week at time, so lets get started"
“..over the span of several years..”
Bro if you are true to your mindset of figuring out stuff on yr own. Stop everything you doing and start fishing, I will check back on you in 10 years time to see how far you progressed xD Even if you do follow detailed guide, you will still loose your sanity often while fishing ;)
There's actually a lot of attacks in BLU raiding that guides will claim you NEED Diamondback for, but in reality they can be cheesed with like... Healer Mimicry Gobskin and Mighty Guard. Or just full HP and Mighty Guard. You get the idea.
Healer Mimicry Pom Cure and Mighty Guard works too!
Are you really playing BLU correctly if you’re NOT going for the cheesiest options?
There was likely cases before it, but better food/gear/and the stat squish impacted a lot of things for BLU. iirc the Manipulator from A4S had issues with Dark Damage scaling (reduced damage effects like Addle don't affect it) where it was not clearable the way it used to. Libra's element based debuffs had a bit more or less of an effect than intended, and some mechanics in Masked Carnivale no longer result in an instant wipe. So those guides are CORRECT but they were not updated bc realistically it is not intended, and why update something for 5 years ago or something when it just allows for more wiggle room rather than change how it is supposed to be done
Yeahh my friend helped me power level blu ages ago for a moogle tome event & rushed through some carnival stuff. There was a veryy efficient way to farm one of the coils (whatever one that you have to "pass the rot" in). But then i lost all interest in blu because it was made to be a *chore* @_@ I love just casually leveling, i justtt finished picto and it was relaxing that way.
I really need to get back to Masked Carnivale! I also probably need to get more abilities.
I leveled it normally on my main but for my alt, I did do the feeding trick once. It instantly got me to level 26, at which point I was able to just barely survive beating up the cactuar for 1000 needles, which I then used to power level normally.
Honestly, I'd say all your time dueling in Bozja has probably trained you well to handle any of the Masked Carnivale stages.