yes! exactly this!.. going in with 1st timers is a huge difference and a totally different experience! (than getting carried with 7 orher, who have cleared it multiple times) ... sure, occasionally, when you're starting to burn out in a zillion trap kill parties, having one or two with kill experience can be welcomed, .. but that should be the exception (if at all.. , and not getting carried by 7 pros,... its like if beating every Dark Souls boss, with summoned players, that know the boss by heart.., the struggle, experience and earned kill feeling are not the same..)
@@infamousincubus2888 Yea the gearing is utter dog in this game, made me quit aswell last tier. This one I got lucky and got the coffer and week later chest so I stayed. But if I would've gotten nothing I wouldn't play anymore either
@@chaoseater999 P5S was hard for the first two weeks due to conflicting partyfinder strats, P6S was hard for the first 4 weeks due to conflicting strats and people not being able to do copacabana or trying to cheese it with LB3 and still getting 4-6 damage downs. P7S is hard because you need to stay awake for 4-5 minutes before the actual fight begins.
@@Null_Experis P7S's actual mechanics are at the final third of the fight so when you wipe there with pf people will be reluctant to continue due to """wasting time""". P3S was its own goddamn tier, I sincerely belive the developers forgot that they were still at the first tier. And it's masochistic to do P8S without a predetermined group.
@@Null_Experis Put PF in and everything is hard. Cleared 5s on launch with 14 deaths. 6s with 11 deaths. 7s within a few weeks u just start skipping half the bs coz its so backloaded. 8s was legit the only hard fight in the whole tier. But if u compare with PF, then yeah, PF was stuck on devour prog for all 5s kill parties for weeks
It's honestly crazy how the difficulty from 5s-7s jumped up to extreme levels of hell on 8s where even 1 small mistake can wipe the party. Cleared this with a static and we struggled a lot and I can not imagine doing this on PF because of how reliant on teamwork this fight requires.
Honestly SE should've made 6s and 7s harder. It's not enough of a wall and now we have people that think they're pro raiders trapping everyone in Snake 1 parties
As someone who has progged and cleared this both in PF on an alt AND in a static: Less team work, more precision. I don't need to have met any of my party mates before to clear this fight. But this fight has a very large number of 8/8 mechanics, by which I mean all 8 people need to be alive and executing their part of the mech correctly or there's a wipe/so many deaths or damage downs it's difficult to recover. If every person makes 1 mistake every 8 pulls and you're unlucky enough for your "good" runs to just never align, you basically never clear. This fight is where you come to the realization that a 90% personal accuracy rate actually isn't all that good. The fight is hard, and PF struggles, no question, but it struggles in the _exact same way_ that the average casual static struggles Contrast to say, P3S, where PF experience was noticeably worse than a static experience, in large part because of the number of spreads. In a static, you get used how each member of the party moves and where they tend to go. In PF, you can't do that, and PF is _extremely_ bad at yolo spreading. The joke was that PF strat was basically "pray for stack". It wasn't really a joke because that was how the majority of my clears were obtained, just getting a run that was mostly stacks instead of spreads.
I did this fight week 2 with my static, and we've cleared it together every week up until 2 resets ago. I decided to head into PF to try my hand and played a harrowing game of Russian roulette. It took me 5 straight days of 4hr playtime windows JUST in p8 to finally clear. This fight specifically is an ABSOLUTE nightmare in PF.
The absolute mad lad. Normally, I 'd say clearing in PF isn't that bad, but this fight proved that PF is where ambition goes to die. The fact you stuck it out and got the clear? Massive. Well done.
For me it was p4s, after that I vowed to never do the 4th raid of any tier raid ever again. Tried p8s a few times and it was mind numbingly bad so I just do 5-7 every week. I really wish I could do p8s but I have not the time nor the patience anymore. The only 4th raid I ever did was e12s when it was relevant (joined the game during ShB), I had so much fun on pf but idk I feel like Endwalker just plagued us with very bad raiders who are not considerate at all of people's time. With a savage this bad I dread to think how ultimates fare.
I honestly find some fun people in pf so I enjoy it tbh but it can be time consuming and sometimes you won’t get that one and done clear. But that’s something you have to accept if you do PF. When you’re working full time and have loads of other duties outside of work but still want to try the savage fights, PF might be your only chance.
bruuuuh you clearly didn't experience the e8s when it was released at it's time, p8s is a cake compared to what refulgence savage was. And i'am not even gonna fo further back into alexander savage raids
20:03 "Generally speaking if you get to Dominion you're ready to clear the fight. I certainly was... FOR TWO WEEKS" The amount of PTSD this triggered within me... had to join a reclear party to get that clear
If you're reaper and get NA's immediately use your shield to put a regen effect on both NAs and it will even be up for a second time while still in NA. Then once the 60 second burst window hits pop bloodbath and do your burst. It makes it a lot easier for healers.
@@dadkwashere ah yes and all of us definitely pick what class we want to play based on what some sweaty tryhard on the internet is going to declare as having a "big brain rotation"
@@Venessialato To be fair, I've met quite a few players that when starting out the game ask "ok, so whats the easiest job to play". That's not all of them but a decent chunk. Like I remember in Shb pf, the people that sucked the most at mechanics were a lot of the time physical ranged cause they were considered to be easy beginner jobs.
I'm gonna need to personally request you make guides cuz I learned more about this fight from the first 3 and a half minutes of this video than I did watching any of other videos I could find. You are a hero.
I knew you through your "mad cuz small" videos, but you've really hit the nail on the head with these not-guides. Very entertaining, and I'd legit listen to you talk about anything. Best of luck man!
I do really like some of the mechanics that go into the savage tiers like on paper a lot of them just seem neat and in character/lore But... *GOD . . . DAMN*
@@LittleSparklingStars The first half of the last fight is worse than the previous tier. The 2nd half is a joke in comparison, and far easier to deal with.
I will say, I did this whole tier in party finder. Week 1 I cleared p5-p7. I went into p8 and finally cleared about a week ago, I had to take a month off because party finder made me want to die (: the end. I AM A PF WARRIOR AND WILL CONTINUE TO HATE MYSELF AS A PARTY FINDER SAVAGE RAIDER.
Same, I cleared p5-p7 week 1 and then stopped playing the game due to uni. Came back last week and the PF has transformed from helpful and competent groups to 4K planet of the apes premieres
“But because we’re in PF your going to greed that last weave and freeze your entire party instead.” I haven’t played ff14 in months but that quote brought up repressed memories 😅
big respect for what you went through, at least we got an amazing video out of it! i think this style of "fight review" is the best. Perfect amount of humor and infotainment; very well done my dude!
I got my 8th pf clear this week, after my static quit during p8s-1… it was a challenging experience, and frustrating, but I feel I became a better player after having put myself through it
To be fair, Euphrosyne is easy even if you don't do Savage... I mean, one of Halone *and* Menphina's major mechanics is "doing two attacks simultaneously and only creating one safe pizza slice," which is something everybody's already done on the *first* boss in Malikah's Well.
@@InfamousResult You must be thinking of Qitana Ravel. Malikah's 1st boss is the armadillo thing and I don't think that guy has any pizza slice mechanics.
Gratz on the clear!! Coming from someone who *only* just found a static for this tier well after I cleared it and the tier before in PF exclusively, I mean that. PF is either a collection of folks who know the fight deep in their soul, or it's a unintentional 1st mech prog party. Soul crushing pain, but that clear euphoria is addicting.
I cleared this at a decent time in the tier, got my 8 clears and stopped doing it. The last 3 clears I got though were painful because even reclear parties were full of people who had no idea what they were doing. One week it took me 16 hours of pulls to clear in reclear groups. The later in the tier you try to do the fights, the worse the players are, so I commend you for managing to clear this late.
Cleared Mount Ordeals Extreme in PF only but it was my first real challenge ever in this game so it is I who was slow and thank everyone who stuck it out as I learned! So so grateful for practice groups in PR.
Not to down you or anything, but mount ordeals is very low difficulty for an extreme, if you want a harder one and MORE FUN do barbariccia and u'll see how fun it is and how bad mount ordeal is
@@LordRobaZe i feel like barbariccia is more honest, you have more leeway and error margin, but she's so much more fun and engaging, rubicante is super easy and there are little mechanics. Barba is not hard, but she's more fun imo
@@grimacetexas9719 I feel rubicantes mechanics are more confusing and hard to grasp. I still cant understand the wheel attack at all, brain doesnt go that fast.
A note on the part 1 tankbussys: those are a tank swap, not aggro spot 1/2 based. If OT doesn't voke, MT dies. If MT doesn't voke, OT dies. If either tank dies to torches or sunforge, the other tank dies
Yeah, that part was a little poorly worded cause I was thinking of a specific example from very early prog where the MT would die before the OT had stance on, which would lead to the melee getting tankbusted. It used to happen constantly back in week 2 lol
I just started XIV as my first MMO, and I didnt understand 99% of the terminology, but this got me excited for being inevitably stuck doing raids in PF
Congrats, I also completed the fight first in pf however I moved on to a static. We have completed it at least 12 times now with my static. It is nice to have consistency with statics.
I do every tier and ultimates only via pf xD I love the hate PF gets, but the bigger issue is the waiting time to create a group. But clearing via PF is pretty decent, I prefer it over statics cause I can play on my own terms/breaks. 5-7 took me 3-4 days via pf, p8s almost 2 weeks tho xD But great video man!
As someone who runs two groups working on Snake 1 / Dog 1 into Fourfold but who has also PF'd this fight a lot, you're spot on! So hilarious but also so true. Congrats on the clear!
Congrats on the clear! Absolutely love all the musical references you put in there. Thought hips don't lie was a clever one, and then you threw in to the windows, to the walls into booty rockin everywhere and I had to pause the video cuz that's gonna stick with me in this fight always
So, I don't play FFXIV, and I don't really have much understanding of most things that were explained in this video, however, I guess I just have to not suck and I'll be a god at this game. Highly informative, and entertaining
update 2 days after watching the video I decided to give it another shot and insure more parties have a tank that actually mits more raidwides than not at all, since that I've cleared part 1 4.5 times (the .5 is because one time we hit the damage check but it was durring snake 2 and everyone died by the end, I didn't notice and didn't invuln oops) I am now on LD and already mentally trained for HC2, I would like to thank you for inspiring me to get back on the saddle, also god damit you made me get back on the saddle you know how many hours I've lost. Keep making great videos, your suffering inspired me to suffer more as well
This is the best guide for raiding ever. I have such a hard time focusing on most Raif guides- even if it wasn’t super in detail I was able to focus the whole time. Thank you!
as someone who also cleared P8S via party finder (on EU tho so we had funny markers and raidplans), yeah P8S was the worst part of the grind, especially P1 (as usually the P2 pain was off-set for me absolutely loving the fight), especially since as i am a BLM main though not gonna lie, and i'm not sure if this goes for anyone else, but a lot of my deaths in both phases was because of me panicking and overthinking some mechanics when things really were just simple what did help was having chill people who i was raiding with most of the time, getting to shoot the shit with people is always pretty fun
I think I commented on a previous video for yours about this, but I cleared 8 in PF as well. It was very challenging but was very happy to finally clear it.
Tip for anyone still progging or planning to for future raids: Enrage Prog is not a thing unless very early in the last fight of the tier. The reason you see so many memes in enrage parties is because the only reason they are seeing enrage is because of all the deaths on early mechanics. Avoid these groups like the plague.
Damn, I was doing this wrong by sucking. Could have needed that advice to not suck earlier. Thank you for this jewel, Cider. That was the greatest summary one could ask for.
This was me the past 3 weeks! I was on enrage prog for 3 weeks spending every night trapped with PF "clear" groups that would die to NA1/HC1 for an hour then disban. Finally went in with a FC friend who created a duty complete group and beat it in like 3 pulls. Great video BTW.
My memory always goes blank doing progress when I most need to remember something, this happens until I about 6/10 good attempt going through set mechanics. Which Is a main reason why I haven't tried any savages yet let alone ultimates, hate the thought of potentially wasting peoples time. Hopefully someday In the future I'll have mustered abit more courage to give these difficulties a try, love the fights themselves.
I respect your courage and patience and the infinite kind of behavioural people in PF. You have inspired me to do savage tryharding in pf if I dont get an early team for 6.4
P8S = old Ultimate difficulty level, just shorter (& occasionally more forgiving).., this is the hardest savage tier from a mechanical aspect, in years / since multiple expansions
I'm curently doing P9S and i am so used to pay attention to the cast bars that i didn't know about the enemy actuons chat log. Thanks for teaching me something new through your suffering.
@@celcius_87 uhh about 2 weeks? I started on about week 3 of the tier, but by week 4 i had a medical thing happen so i was out till like the end if October and cleared about a week once I got back to it.
(before watching the video) I'm not gonna lie, I grinded this fight in November for a whole week, 8 hours straight every day. Half of my time usually went with recruiting people only, since it was just a pain to assemble a team to prog it, let alone clear. Funny thing is, I completed the fight on my Sam after that week of grinding in pf, but after that I went on to my Whm the very next day, and I'm not kidding, I cleared it on my first pull, without anyone making any mistakes neither on P1 nor on P2. It was a well-oiled-machine, and I loved it. I actually love the fight a lot, but you definitely need a static if you want to save your braincells D:
Okay ngl. You should make guides for Savage fights. Your voice is perfect for you and your smoll little jokes between the scenes are just awesome! I love your videos man keep continue them! x3
I did my 8th and final clear for the book last week. Never again (outside of my static that’s on animals 2). BiS’d my main and alt. I don’t know what was more frustrating, learning the fight and finding parties at your specific prog point and actually reaching that prog point, clearing, or the last few reclears this last month with PF randos that got late carried and made “weekly reclears” look like snakes 1 prog or fresh phase two prog. T.T
This fight is very taxing on the healers, specially Phase 2 and specially for shield healers (speaking from experience). I have one more P8S reclear with my static (which should happen today) and then I won't touch a savage until 6.4. I appreciate the challenge, but I need some rest now.
I have never (and probably never will) do any real kind of current raiding in XIV. Just listening and watching this video had me cracking up, I loved it. First time seeing a video of yours I believe, but it was beautiful! Thank you for your suffering. :D
This is the reason I thoroughly enjoy videos of savage content, and personally never run savage content. I know I am not good enough to remember all this without over-stressing my head. Props to all who clear stuff like this. 😀
Haha it's easier than it looks. The way you remember all of this is simply, you die over and over to the first mechanic for about 5-20 pulls until it sinks into muscle memory. Then you go to the second mechanic and die another 5-20 times until you learn that. And you do that for multiple sessions. I progged this fight both in pf and with a casual static, and the static took roughly 400 pulls to get our first clear. As mentioned, we're casual, so that number is at the high end; there are obviously far more skilled players who can manage it week one. But my point is, you don't actually need to have a particularly good memory or be that good. You just have to be very patient. The fight looks overwhelming when presented all at once, but it's a lot less so when each lockout usually has you learning only 1-2 major mechanics at a time
@@JelisW True patience, the keyword which a lot of people cant be bothered with, unfortunately. I am refering to the people that always need it asap and transform into hellfire once mistakes set in.
@@Lyu-Phy oh yeah. And like, I understand deciding to leave when there are clearly people who joined a pf well ahead of their prog point and are griefing, but if we're seeing prog point reasonably frequently, like, just let the one or two snake memes go man
And this type of setting, even on a dumbed down non-savage random LFR style fight (nevermind this clusterfuck), is why I stopped playing the game. Loved and came for the story, left because the combat asks too much of my old, anxious, only-grew-up-playing-mario-and-self-paced-simple-platformers brain and reflexes (nonexistent). Huge props and respect for sticking it out, though, and I'm glad others enjoy it. But unless they add an equivalent 'story mode difficulty' like single player games do these days, I'll sadly never experience any of these types of games again. Thus, I continue to experience the game and the e-world I came to love through videos like yours. So, thank you!
The more I watch this, the more I realize that I'm probably only ever gonna do high-end raids in a static. Not just for my own sanity, but also for my own self-esteem.
When I started progging P2 of this fight in pf I ended up spending more time ikn P1 than actually progging P2. It was almost bad enough to make me miss P3S pf.
"If it smells like shit everywhere you go, check your shoes" He's cherry picked everyone else's mistakes to make a funny video, but he was definitely hardstuck this long due to his own skill.
@@bigquazz3955 There are literally so many times he zooms in on his own corpse. This is not meant to be a "I'm good and everybody else sucks" video at all.
@@bigquazz3955 He's not a narcissistic hypocrite, he dies at some clips just as the others, even if a fewer times. That just simply means he's better at using his brain than your average -5 IQ party finder leecher who thinks that if he lies about seeing enrage and goes into a clearing group he will get the kill.
I remember doing this with Diamond Weapon Extreme in the first week it dropped. So many wipes lol But we got clear, I ended up in a DF (not PF!) group of random assembled other folks who'd been doing the same thing I'd be doing. We were the Avengers of Duty Finder Sufferers lol. We finally got our clear. Was it hell? yes. Was it a memory I'll cherish always? Also yes. Just fun to either do it with friends and win together or to be the underdogs and find a team of ragtag beaten down folks who bond over a shared desire to end. this. boss!
If P8S didn't have 2 separate timelines for raid buffs in phase 1 then it wouldn't be such an awful fight tbh. But getting Centaur first is just... garbage for damage.
took my raid team 718 pulls from the first pull of phase 1 to the first kill of phase 2 we have never NEVER struggled that hard to clear a fight before. we cleared uwu faster than we cleared P8S it's a hell of an achievement for new raiders
Hi, we cleared this tier week 1 with my static, and the first thing we though was "Damn this fight is straight up savage (no puns intended) this thing is going to be a N.I.G.H.T.M.A.R.E in PF." There's no way i would have the patience to clear it the way you did. You and all the players who kills this in PF, have my utmost respect , you guys are beasts 💪
The secret I found through like 10-11 hour runs every night on the weekend was the best people on NA are trying to do it at like 4 AM for some reason, for P7S we had someone from the UK playing with us lol.
Lol funny you mention that. I'm singaporean playing on Primal, and I usually do my reclears at 6-7am my time to catch the NA evening crowd, but this week I decided to jump straight in the moment reset rolled over. I usually parse blue/green on DNC. This week I found a chad party with an absolutely amazing SAM. We pumped so hard, we were skipping mechanics left and right and I walked away with a high purple and two oranges. Felt like sending the lot of them, especially the SAM, a thank you note lmao.
I remember it took me 1 month to clear this fight on pf (in EU). I remember the sorrow seeping into my heart, I remember embracing anihilation over and over again. But the tree memes are funny.
Other streamers: Joins an obviously premade party who has done this one hundred times.
Cider: Choosing to suffer for the art.
A true hero!
I like to get the average gameplay experience. Getting carried would be super boring imo.
@@CiderSpider Ehm, akshually, if you still get the clear, with a full group fo world class players, you carried your own weight!!!1!1!!
tbh with that suffering, he earn the fruit of last minute 1st week seventh circle clear!
yes! exactly this!.. going in with 1st timers is a huge difference and a totally different experience! (than getting carried with 7 orher, who have cleared it multiple times)
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sure, occasionally, when you're starting to burn out in a zillion trap kill parties, having one or two with kill experience can be welcomed, .. but that should be the exception
(if at all.. , and not getting carried by 7 pros,... its like if beating every Dark Souls boss, with summoned players, that know the boss by heart.., the struggle, experience and earned kill feeling are not the same..)
Imagine spending so much time trying to clear and then still having to roll on loot
The 99% experience.
me except i got wep on my first clear 😈
@@pyn_rae Got chest on first clear
This is why I quit lmao
@@infamousincubus2888 Yea the gearing is utter dog in this game, made me quit aswell last tier. This one I got lucky and got the coffer and week later chest so I stayed.
But if I would've gotten nothing I wouldn't play anymore either
My friends: "FFXIV Savage Raiding isn't really that hard."
Savage Raiding:
This tier is definitely harder than last tier. Except for maybe P3S.
@@Null_Experis whole tier wasn't hard, only 8s was the real hard one.
@@chaoseater999 P5S was hard for the first two weeks due to conflicting partyfinder strats, P6S was hard for the first 4 weeks due to conflicting strats and people not being able to do copacabana or trying to cheese it with LB3 and still getting 4-6 damage downs.
P7S is hard because you need to stay awake for 4-5 minutes before the actual fight begins.
@@Null_Experis P7S's actual mechanics are at the final third of the fight so when you wipe there with pf people will be reluctant to continue due to """wasting time""".
P3S was its own goddamn tier, I sincerely belive the developers forgot that they were still at the first tier.
And it's masochistic to do P8S without a predetermined group.
@@Null_Experis Put PF in and everything is hard. Cleared 5s on launch with 14 deaths. 6s with 11 deaths. 7s within a few weeks u just start skipping half the bs coz its so backloaded. 8s was legit the only hard fight in the whole tier. But if u compare with PF, then yeah, PF was stuck on devour prog for all 5s kill parties for weeks
It's honestly crazy how the difficulty from 5s-7s jumped up to extreme levels of hell on 8s where even 1 small mistake can wipe the party. Cleared this with a static and we struggled a lot and I can not imagine doing this on PF because of how reliant on teamwork this fight requires.
PFing is just rolling the dice to see which mechanic you're gonna get walled on
Honestly SE should've made 6s and 7s harder. It's not enough of a wall and now we have people that think they're pro raiders trapping everyone in Snake 1 parties
As someone who has progged and cleared this both in PF on an alt AND in a static: Less team work, more precision. I don't need to have met any of my party mates before to clear this fight. But this fight has a very large number of 8/8 mechanics, by which I mean all 8 people need to be alive and executing their part of the mech correctly or there's a wipe/so many deaths or damage downs it's difficult to recover. If every person makes 1 mistake every 8 pulls and you're unlucky enough for your "good" runs to just never align, you basically never clear. This fight is where you come to the realization that a 90% personal accuracy rate actually isn't all that good. The fight is hard, and PF struggles, no question, but it struggles in the _exact same way_ that the average casual static struggles
Contrast to say, P3S, where PF experience was noticeably worse than a static experience, in large part because of the number of spreads. In a static, you get used how each member of the party moves and where they tend to go. In PF, you can't do that, and PF is _extremely_ bad at yolo spreading. The joke was that PF strat was basically "pray for stack". It wasn't really a joke because that was how the majority of my clears were obtained, just getting a run that was mostly stacks instead of spreads.
I did this fight week 2 with my static, and we've cleared it together every week up until 2 resets ago. I decided to head into PF to try my hand and played a harrowing game of Russian roulette. It took me 5 straight days of 4hr playtime windows JUST in p8 to finally clear. This fight specifically is an ABSOLUTE nightmare in PF.
@@Quasar359 hell I thought devour did a good job keeping the baddies out, I think p5 is harder than 6 and 7
The absolute mad lad. Normally, I 'd say clearing in PF isn't that bad, but this fight proved that PF is where ambition goes to die. The fact you stuck it out and got the clear? Massive. Well done.
Im at dominion in pf it's crushing.
For me it was p4s, after that I vowed to never do the 4th raid of any tier raid ever again. Tried p8s a few times and it was mind numbingly bad so I just do 5-7 every week. I really wish I could do p8s but I have not the time nor the patience anymore. The only 4th raid I ever did was e12s when it was relevant (joined the game during ShB), I had so much fun on pf but idk I feel like Endwalker just plagued us with very bad raiders who are not considerate at all of people's time. With a savage this bad I dread to think how ultimates fare.
@@anthonyandrade5071 E12S was certainly worse than P4S atleast by my experience. Kind of like P8S every mechanic in E12 was a PF wall
I honestly find some fun people in pf so I enjoy it tbh but it can be time consuming and sometimes you won’t get that one and done clear. But that’s something you have to accept if you do PF. When you’re working full time and have loads of other duties outside of work but still want to try the savage fights, PF might be your only chance.
bruuuuh you clearly didn't experience the e8s when it was released at it's time, p8s is a cake compared to what refulgence savage was. And i'am not even gonna fo further back into alexander savage raids
20:03 "Generally speaking if you get to Dominion you're ready to clear the fight. I certainly was... FOR TWO WEEKS" The amount of PTSD this triggered within me... had to join a reclear party to get that clear
that feeling when you wipe on dominion coz someone cant count towers
"And this is the first mechanic."
And if it's a phase 2 prog party, you will still wipe to this mechanic a non-zero number of times. Because PF.
If you're reaper and get NA's immediately use your shield to put a regen effect on both NAs and it will even be up for a second time while still in NA. Then once the 60 second burst window hits pop bloodbath and do your burst. It makes it a lot easier for healers.
Rpr bubble is so op and its so nice
Unfortuntely reapers are dumb.
Understandable since they have the most braindead melee rotation 🤗
@@dadkwashere ah yes and all of us definitely pick what class we want to play based on what some sweaty tryhard on the internet is going to declare as having a "big brain rotation"
@@Venessialato To be fair, I've met quite a few players that when starting out the game ask "ok, so whats the easiest job to play". That's not all of them but a decent chunk. Like I remember in Shb pf, the people that sucked the most at mechanics were a lot of the time physical ranged cause they were considered to be easy beginner jobs.
@@dadkwashere unless you're DRG or MNK, all other melee classes are similarly easy. RPR is just the easiest to learn.
I'm gonna need to personally request you make guides cuz I learned more about this fight from the first 3 and a half minutes of this video than I did watching any of other videos I could find. You are a hero.
agreed. somehow your guide is better than the guide guides :P
Hector Lectures, P8S: "So here, you're going to watch Cider Spider's meme video...."
To be honest i was laughing and then stale face into taken notes. Now I don't wipe to snakes and dog.
although i would never subject myself to such horror… i appreciate all the effort in putting this guide to hell together
The snake around your neck...that must be a subliminal message of some sort...
14:30 Just noticed this attempt. 49% and the DRK dies to Living Dead because the boss becomes untargetable during the transition. Must be such a pain.
I knew you through your "mad cuz small" videos, but you've really hit the nail on the head with these not-guides. Very entertaining, and I'd legit listen to you talk about anything. Best of luck man!
I do really like some of the mechanics that go into the savage tiers
like on paper a lot of them just seem neat and in character/lore
But... *GOD . . . DAMN*
Hell. I havent even cleared P8S. Saw up to 1% on P2. P8S is a nightmare. Even with a static. Grats on your clear though!
it's worse than previous tier
At least theres no P3S
Hang in there friend. Persistence is the key.
@@LittleSparklingStars The first half of the last fight is worse than the previous tier. The 2nd half is a joke in comparison, and far easier to deal with.
I will say, I did this whole tier in party finder. Week 1 I cleared p5-p7. I went into p8 and finally cleared about a week ago, I had to take a month off because party finder made me want to die (: the end. I AM A PF WARRIOR AND WILL CONTINUE TO HATE MYSELF AS A PARTY FINDER SAVAGE RAIDER.
Same, I cleared p5-p7 week 1 and then stopped playing the game due to uni. Came back last week and the PF has transformed from helpful and competent groups to 4K planet of the apes premieres
I took a month off after the first few weeks because the DPS check had most groups walled in phase 1. Turned out to be a mistake lol
“But because we’re in PF your going to greed that last weave and freeze your entire party instead.”
I haven’t played ff14 in months but that quote brought up repressed memories 😅
big respect for what you went through, at least we got an amazing video out of it! i think this style of "fight review" is the best. Perfect amount of humor and infotainment; very well done my dude!
Congrats to us both for getting our clear in P8S. I got mine about 1.5 hours before the maintenance for 6.3
congrats
I got my 8th pf clear this week, after my static quit during p8s-1… it was a challenging experience, and frustrating, but I feel I became a better player after having put myself through it
Now I understand why some people found Euphrosyne too easy to their taste.
Also, thanks for reminding me why I'm not doing savage xD
And yet , Halone and Menphina still wipes half the little adventurers in there. Feelsbad
To be fair, Euphrosyne is easy even if you don't do Savage... I mean, one of Halone *and* Menphina's major mechanics is "doing two attacks simultaneously and only creating one safe pizza slice," which is something everybody's already done on the *first* boss in Malikah's Well.
@@InfamousResult I think you're assuming the average person is much better then they really are.
Still get whop-arsed by Halone, thank you very much.
@@InfamousResult You must be thinking of Qitana Ravel. Malikah's 1st boss is the armadillo thing and I don't think that guy has any pizza slice mechanics.
Gratz on the clear!! Coming from someone who *only* just found a static for this tier well after I cleared it and the tier before in PF exclusively, I mean that.
PF is either a collection of folks who know the fight deep in their soul, or it's a unintentional 1st mech prog party. Soul crushing pain, but that clear euphoria is addicting.
I cleared this at a decent time in the tier, got my 8 clears and stopped doing it. The last 3 clears I got though were painful because even reclear parties were full of people who had no idea what they were doing. One week it took me 16 hours of pulls to clear in reclear groups. The later in the tier you try to do the fights, the worse the players are, so I commend you for managing to clear this late.
Cleared Mount Ordeals Extreme in PF only but it was my first real challenge ever in this game so it is I who was slow and thank everyone who stuck it out as I learned! So so grateful for practice groups in PR.
Not to down you or anything, but mount ordeals is very low difficulty for an extreme, if you want a harder one and MORE FUN do barbariccia and u'll see how fun it is and how bad mount ordeal is
@@grimacetexas9719 I feel barbariccia is way easier than rubicante.
@@LordRobaZe i feel like barbariccia is more honest, you have more leeway and error margin, but she's so much more fun and engaging, rubicante is super easy and there are little mechanics. Barba is not hard, but she's more fun imo
@@grimacetexas9719 I feel rubicantes mechanics are more confusing and hard to grasp. I still cant understand the wheel attack at all, brain doesnt go that fast.
@@LordRobaZe but u can just put a dorito on someone head and have him do half the fight for the whole party.
A note on the part 1 tankbussys: those are a tank swap, not aggro spot 1/2 based. If OT doesn't voke, MT dies. If MT doesn't voke, OT dies. If either tank dies to torches or sunforge, the other tank dies
Yeah, that part was a little poorly worded cause I was thinking of a specific example from very early prog where the MT would die before the OT had stance on, which would lead to the melee getting tankbusted. It used to happen constantly back in week 2 lol
I lost it at the "dummy thicc" part. I want all raid mechanics to be explained to me in this format
I just started XIV as my first MMO, and I didnt understand 99% of the terminology, but this got me excited for being inevitably stuck doing raids in PF
Congrats, I also completed the fight first in pf however I moved on to a static. We have completed it at least 12 times now with my static. It is nice to have consistency with statics.
The most hilarious non-guide of P8s out there, and oddly cathartic after months of wiping and re-progging due to several replacements in my static. 😉
I do every tier and ultimates only via pf xD
I love the hate PF gets, but the bigger issue is the waiting time to create a group. But clearing via PF is pretty decent, I prefer it over statics cause I can play on my own terms/breaks.
5-7 took me 3-4 days via pf, p8s almost 2 weeks tho xD
But great video man!
As someone who runs two groups working on Snake 1 / Dog 1 into Fourfold but who has also PF'd this fight a lot, you're spot on! So hilarious but also so true. Congrats on the clear!
Congrats on the clear!
Absolutely love all the musical references you put in there. Thought hips don't lie was a clever one, and then you threw in to the windows, to the walls into booty rockin everywhere and I had to pause the video cuz that's gonna stick with me in this fight always
So, I don't play FFXIV, and I don't really have much understanding of most things that were explained in this video, however, I guess I just have to not suck and I'll be a god at this game.
Highly informative, and entertaining
update 2 days after watching the video I decided to give it another shot and insure more parties have a tank that actually mits more raidwides than not at all, since that I've cleared part 1 4.5 times (the .5 is because one time we hit the damage check but it was durring snake 2 and everyone died by the end, I didn't notice and didn't invuln oops) I am now on LD and already mentally trained for HC2, I would like to thank you for inspiring me to get back on the saddle, also god damit you made me get back on the saddle you know how many hours I've lost. Keep making great videos, your suffering inspired me to suffer more as well
This is the best guide for raiding ever. I have such a hard time focusing on most Raif guides- even if it wasn’t super in detail I was able to focus the whole time. Thank you!
as someone who also cleared P8S via party finder (on EU tho so we had funny markers and raidplans), yeah P8S was the worst part of the grind, especially P1 (as usually the P2 pain was off-set for me absolutely loving the fight), especially since as i am a BLM main
though not gonna lie, and i'm not sure if this goes for anyone else, but a lot of my deaths in both phases was because of me panicking and overthinking some mechanics when things really were just simple
what did help was having chill people who i was raiding with most of the time, getting to shoot the shit with people is always pretty fun
Abyssos was my first savage tier in NA and it was one hell of a ride, I think Dominion wipes made me a more bitter person overall
Congratz, welcome to PF savage raid prog clear group.
P8S hardest mechanic are snakes. Took me 2 weeks to clear this on PF
You're making some raid guides that are actually fun to watch.
I think I commented on a previous video for yours about this, but I cleared 8 in PF as well. It was very challenging but was very happy to finally clear it.
Fell ya bro
Every minute of this video
I feel this so much in my bones, PF from beginning to end
I did too on JP elemental. Its more consistent since strats are more streamlined and players just follow those.
Tip for anyone still progging or planning to for future raids: Enrage Prog is not a thing unless very early in the last fight of the tier. The reason you see so many memes in enrage parties is because the only reason they are seeing enrage is because of all the deaths on early mechanics. Avoid these groups like the plague.
Damn, I was doing this wrong by sucking. Could have needed that advice to not suck earlier. Thank you for this jewel, Cider. That was the greatest summary one could ask for.
This was me the past 3 weeks! I was on enrage prog for 3 weeks spending every night trapped with PF "clear" groups that would die to NA1/HC1 for an hour then disban. Finally went in with a FC friend who created a duty complete group and beat it in like 3 pulls. Great video BTW.
congrats
My memory always goes blank doing progress when I most need to remember something, this happens until I about 6/10 good attempt going through set mechanics. Which Is a main reason why I haven't tried any savages yet let alone ultimates, hate the thought of potentially wasting peoples time. Hopefully someday In the future I'll have mustered abit more courage to give these difficulties a try, love the fights themselves.
I respect your courage and patience and the infinite kind of behavioural people in PF. You have inspired me to do savage tryharding in pf if I dont get an early team for 6.4
This format of explaining the mechanics actually helps my memory a lot 😁
Fellow Scholar who just cleared P8S in PF today, all this is 100% accurate
I don’t know why I haven’t seen your videos before this is gold (PS, you have a super smooth voice, I’d listen to a audio book done by you lmao)
P8S = old Ultimate difficulty level, just shorter (& occasionally more forgiving).., this is the hardest savage tier from a mechanical aspect, in years / since multiple expansions
I'm just starting ShB, have never done an extreme, and my mind is turning over trying to comprehend this fight.
I'm curently doing P9S and i am so used to pay attention to the cast bars that i didn't know about the enemy actuons chat log. Thanks for teaching me something new through your suffering.
I also cleared this fight in PF.
I feel seen. I feel validated.
Thank you for your sacrifice.
how long did it take you?
@@celcius_87 uhh about 2 weeks?
I started on about week 3 of the tier, but by week 4 i had a medical thing happen so i was out till like the end if October and cleared about a week once I got back to it.
(before watching the video) I'm not gonna lie, I grinded this fight in November for a whole week, 8 hours straight every day. Half of my time usually went with recruiting people only, since it was just a pain to assemble a team to prog it, let alone clear. Funny thing is, I completed the fight on my Sam after that week of grinding in pf, but after that I went on to my Whm the very next day, and I'm not kidding, I cleared it on my first pull, without anyone making any mistakes neither on P1 nor on P2. It was a well-oiled-machine, and I loved it. I actually love the fight a lot, but you definitely need a static if you want to save your braincells D:
This is the hardest tier they released and you committed to the PF bit. I commend you.
scripe must be feeling pretty good that he got a widely used PF strat named after him
Okay ngl. You should make guides for Savage fights. Your voice is perfect for you and your smoll little jokes between the scenes are just awesome! I love your videos man keep continue them! x3
I did my 8th and final clear for the book last week. Never again (outside of my static that’s on animals 2). BiS’d my main and alt. I don’t know what was more frustrating, learning the fight and finding parties at your specific prog point and actually reaching that prog point, clearing, or the last few reclears this last month with PF randos that got late carried and made “weekly reclears” look like snakes 1 prog or fresh phase two prog. T.T
Progging this fight to completion was a gods-damned nightmare.
I don't play this game, but I enjoy watching the shmol person explain things 😃
This fight is very taxing on the healers, specially Phase 2 and specially for shield healers (speaking from experience). I have one more P8S reclear with my static (which should happen today) and then I won't touch a savage until 6.4. I appreciate the challenge, but I need some rest now.
I have never (and probably never will) do any real kind of current raiding in XIV.
Just listening and watching this video had me cracking up, I loved it.
First time seeing a video of yours I believe, but it was beautiful!
Thank you for your suffering. :D
Man... if you made guides in this style for every fight in the game, I would remember every mechanic effortlessly.
Cider needs to do a guide for every fight from ex to savage.
these masterful explanations must be spread far and wide.
Your voice is as smooth as warm butter on a freshly toasted bagel, and as sweet as dripping honey on a delicious flakey pastry.
I think you might just be hungry
Im glad the small managed to get past all those snakes.
i need every boss done by cider spider now, this is an amazing guide
This is the reason I thoroughly enjoy videos of savage content, and personally never run savage content. I know I am not good enough to remember all this without over-stressing my head. Props to all who clear stuff like this. 😀
Haha it's easier than it looks. The way you remember all of this is simply, you die over and over to the first mechanic for about 5-20 pulls until it sinks into muscle memory. Then you go to the second mechanic and die another 5-20 times until you learn that. And you do that for multiple sessions. I progged this fight both in pf and with a casual static, and the static took roughly 400 pulls to get our first clear. As mentioned, we're casual, so that number is at the high end; there are obviously far more skilled players who can manage it week one. But my point is, you don't actually need to have a particularly good memory or be that good. You just have to be very patient. The fight looks overwhelming when presented all at once, but it's a lot less so when each lockout usually has you learning only 1-2 major mechanics at a time
@@JelisW True patience, the keyword which a lot of people cant be bothered with, unfortunately. I am refering to the people that always need it asap and transform into hellfire once mistakes set in.
@@Lyu-Phy oh yeah. And like, I understand deciding to leave when there are clearly people who joined a pf well ahead of their prog point and are griefing, but if we're seeing prog point reasonably frequently, like, just let the one or two snake memes go man
And this type of setting, even on a dumbed down non-savage random LFR style fight (nevermind this clusterfuck), is why I stopped playing the game. Loved and came for the story, left because the combat asks too much of my old, anxious, only-grew-up-playing-mario-and-self-paced-simple-platformers brain and reflexes (nonexistent). Huge props and respect for sticking it out, though, and I'm glad others enjoy it. But unless they add an equivalent 'story mode difficulty' like single player games do these days, I'll sadly never experience any of these types of games again. Thus, I continue to experience the game and the e-world I came to love through videos like yours. So, thank you!
Cleared and geared this entire tier in PF, and can say that this is accurate
The more I watch this, the more I realize that I'm probably only ever gonna do high-end raids in a static. Not just for my own sanity, but also for my own self-esteem.
Props to you, I gave up on P7S PF in the first week and went back to my static, I appreciate your suffering so I can have a glimpse of hell.
The fight isn't difficult but the pf is what makes it difficult, totally agree
Congrats Cider on the clear
When I started progging P2 of this fight in pf I ended up spending more time ikn P1 than actually progging P2. It was almost bad enough to make me miss P3S pf.
grats good sir. With this, you now have a mental fortitude of a tank
I have the mental fortitude of a healer.
@@CiderSpider that's the chaddest of the gigachads. My apologies for making the wrong statement.
Man I just watched a 20 min video on a game I don’t understand let alone play. Keep ‘em coming
im sorry but people insane enough to be a healer in this fight are literal gods, i could NEVER handle that much pressure lmao
I literally watched and rewatched this to see what was going on and my healer main brain hid in a corner and cried
Wow! This looks not fun at all!
But I'm glad it exists because apparently some people enjoy it, so that's awesome that it's there for them.
I like how you cut the tape at 18:52 just before showing that you walked into the half room cleave 🤣
"If it smells like shit everywhere you go, check your shoes"
He's cherry picked everyone else's mistakes to make a funny video, but he was definitely hardstuck this long due to his own skill.
@@bigquazz3955 There are literally so many times he zooms in on his own corpse. This is not meant to be a "I'm good and everybody else sucks" video at all.
@@Asch_Ente Except that's exactly what he's implying, and he only focuses on his own corpse when it's someone else's mistake that killed him.
@@bigquazz3955 He's not a narcissistic hypocrite, he dies at some clips just as the others, even if a fewer times. That just simply means he's better at using his brain than your average -5 IQ party finder leecher who thinks that if he lies about seeing enrage and goes into a clearing group he will get the kill.
shhh
I remember doing this with Diamond Weapon Extreme in the first week it dropped. So many wipes lol But we got clear, I ended up in a DF (not PF!) group of random assembled other folks who'd been doing the same thing I'd be doing. We were the Avengers of Duty Finder Sufferers lol. We finally got our clear. Was it hell? yes. Was it a memory I'll cherish always? Also yes. Just fun to either do it with friends and win together or to be the underdogs and find a team of ragtag beaten down folks who bond over a shared desire to end. this. boss!
Thanks for reminding me I'm never actually doing savages until they become old content
If P8S didn't have 2 separate timelines for raid buffs in phase 1 then it wouldn't be such an awful fight tbh.
But getting Centaur first is just... garbage for damage.
I didn't know I needed epic movie trailer voice making jokes in my life until now
This video gave me ptsd flashbacks. Thanks for the upload!
Alright, NOW this is the real content here.
took my raid team 718 pulls from the first pull of phase 1 to the first kill of phase 2
we have never NEVER struggled that hard to clear a fight before. we cleared uwu faster than we cleared P8S
it's a hell of an achievement for new raiders
Hi, we cleared this tier week 1 with my static, and the first thing we though was "Damn this fight is straight up savage (no puns intended) this thing is going to be a N.I.G.H.T.M.A.R.E in PF." There's no way i would have the patience to clear it the way you did. You and all the players who kills this in PF, have my utmost respect , you guys are beasts 💪
In North America we use the octagon and if you don't know what an octagon is, it has eight fantastic sides
Next video: Sexy Mommy Unreal in PF - aka attack of the permanent zombies.
5:00 I can't believe you actually remembered and referenced that song.
Fucking amazing lmao I love it.
the "id rather fail the mechanic 100 times" got me lol
This guy is a master class in how to do crude comedy without using crude words. A shame that this is such a rare talent.
ty for this very entertaining video! I hope one day to be as brave as you and try out Savage PF Ultimate
Ah yes. Party Finder Savage, that's lore accurate pain if ever I've seen it.
The secret I found through like 10-11 hour runs every night on the weekend was the best people on NA are trying to do it at like 4 AM for some reason, for P7S we had someone from the UK playing with us lol.
real gamer hours
Lol funny you mention that. I'm singaporean playing on Primal, and I usually do my reclears at 6-7am my time to catch the NA evening crowd, but this week I decided to jump straight in the moment reset rolled over. I usually parse blue/green on DNC. This week I found a chad party with an absolutely amazing SAM. We pumped so hard, we were skipping mechanics left and right and I walked away with a high purple and two oranges. Felt like sending the lot of them, especially the SAM, a thank you note lmao.
I did not expect this many references to 2000's rap songs.
I remember it took me 1 month to clear this fight on pf (in EU). I remember the sorrow seeping into my heart, I remember embracing anihilation over and over again.
But the tree memes are funny.
14:26 that is heartbreaking