O melhor Wagner orquestral que já ouví. Impressionante como Celibidache captava a atmosfera wagneriana com a sua singular solenidade e expressividade. Mais que isso, na execução ouve-se tudo e entende-se tudo, na medida certa. Como uma pintura de cuja visão não escapam os mais sutis e belos detalhes.
"Beware! Evil tricks threaten us:/ If the German people and kingdom should one day decay,/ Under a false, foreign rule/ Soon no prince would understand his people;/ And foreign mists with foreign vanities/ They would plant in our German land;/ What is German and true none would know,/ If it did not live in the honour of German masters./ Therefore I say to you:/ honour your German masters,/ then you will conjure up good spirits!/ And if you favour their endeavours,/ Even if the holy Roman empire/ Should dissolve in mist,/ For us there would yet remain/ Holy German art!"
WAGNER THE MAGNIFICENT !!! HIS MUSIC IS BEYOND WRETCHED HUMAN COMPREHENSION... IT HAS THE FULL POWER OF ITS MAJESTY, MIGHTY NATURE.. GREAT, RARE PERFORMANCE AND RECORDING! Every instrument is living beautifully, gracefully and uniquely within Majestic Wagner's harmony.. Majestic is always slow.. fantastically graceful and deeply meaningful, kindly respectful for every tiniest sound...
This is the opening of the New Gasteig Arts Centre Philharmonic Hall in Munich on the 11 November 1985 This was part of the festivities that morning 11 AM. The evening berformance was Bruckner 5
Mark Hood, thank you very much. Knowing this little detail, makes this rendition more touching. I wonder very often why they were wearing casual suits and now I know. It was a morning concert. A great day for the MPO's history. Magnificent auditorium and orchestra but without Celibidache never will be the same. Thanks again.
The Germans have this life-affirming trait of overcoming defeat. Compare with the mourning-riddled atmosphere of "Remembrance Day" among the supposedly victorious British. This is but one hint as to why Germany is indestructible!
The opening bars played legato! How beautiful--how un-bombastic. The love shines through. So much legato where it is not notated in the score. Inspired. I wonder how Wagner articulated the score in his original manuscript. Or did later generations tinker with the score to remake it in their own image. About this idea that composer's indicated tempi are sacrosanct--As a composer myself I can safely say that tempi chosen during the process of composition are not the tempi I would choose after letting the piece rest for a while. Yes, faster tempi become slower tempi.
@@polenc7167 Not much more I can add. I think the tempi are very deliberate,and that seems appropriate for the dignified masters, rather than rushed, or perhaps overblown. Someone commented it is interesting to compare with Solti/VPO. I always lean toward Solti, but this is quite a new experience of Meistetsinger for me.
@@Operafreak9 Thank you. To clarify my earlier comment: Legato is rarely heard in a full orchestra even though it is indicated in the score. Legato means an almost imperceptible pause between notes. This does make the music more compelling to the sophisticated listener. But it is extreme, and I repeat, extremely difficult to do in a full orchestra because it required extreme discipline and exacting precision. After all, why bother when most people won't know the difference. I can assume that record company companies do not want to spend the money for the extra rehearsal time a good clean legato requires in full orchestra. Bravo to this record company executive for caring about music. And bravo to you for hearing this little (but actually big) detail.
@@polenc7167 Daniel, I am hardly as nuanced as you in hearing these subtleties. I appreciate the lesson. I am glad my appreciation of this particular performance has been broadened. I have also been listening to the brisk Toscanni version. Both electryifying for different reasons. I am sure you have probably studied Wagner's instructions as to what he wanted. It is such a marvelous piece, i think I could conduct it without total failure, but on second thought, as marvelous as it is, it cannot play itself, as I just implied, it needs a masterful hand to balance and interweave all the counter melodies. Meistersinger is often overrlooked, but it is stupendous even in the Wagner canon.
This piece was selected as the recessional music at my high school graduation (instead of the usual Pomp and Circumstance). I always flash back to that night whenever I hear it played. It seems fitting (along with P&C) for such an occasion.
So great! I approve so much of his perfect legatos which required more effort and concentration than the way these passage at the beginning are usually played slurred. Slurring takes the heart and the joy from the music. C. uses slurs only when indicated in the score. What a novel and indeed revolutionary idea.
This track plays in the background to the classic WWII movie:" Cross of Iron". It lends itself perfectly to the atmosphere of elation, fear ect of the Eastern front.
If you check the correctness of Celibidache: he is always right on the tempo and is clean. It’s a pleasure to watch and listen to him. I saw him in Bucharest, 1979, in concert. The encore was the First Romanian Rhapsody
I totally agree. By comparison, Celi's solid sense of time, phrasing and restraint make most of the top conductors seem over-heated, out of control and desperate.
Thank you Maria. It was the only music played that morning. The Meistersinger Overture was followed by long speeches by various political figures. The main musical event was the evening which, as I said the Munich Philharmonic performed Bruckner 5 with Celi. I watched it all live on Television.
De una belleza indescriptible.... Esta obra, como otras muchas de Wagner me traen a la memoria y al espíritu cierta inquietud de algo que aún resuena misterioso y enigmático de la mitología germana, y también manchada con nefasto tufillo nazi. Es mi personal opinión.
Manolo Presas And where exactly do you hear Rubato? He's exquisitely equlibrating the sonorities in all possible layers, according to structure and the character of the score.
Music is the language one does not have to be a native off. A language people learn to speak and express with and to enjoy, sometimes without knowing any of it's grammar at all.
I'm playing the violin part on flute, and lemme tell you, it is HARD. The rhythm and syncopation is no problem, but the notes just go so high.... no one in my row can play them.....
Yes yes yes, well put! Tone and balance, -he's never over-hyping or exaggerating. Celi never hits you over the head, but rather lets you enter the music on your own terms. Brilliant...
Bella y diferente,original interpretación de la bien conocida overtura de Meistersinger. Menos " marcial' , militar acaso más acorde al gusto de los años 30 y el nazismo pero más próxima a la romántica historia de la opera,m as cercana a la lirica de las arias, a la voz Humana lo que le da mas sentido. Aunque me gusta mucho la interpretation enérgica, animosa y con más sabor a marcha militar Prusiana es insoslayable el hecho que de militar la ópera no tiene nada.
penso che tu ti intenda molto poco di musica o che voglia fare il bastian contrario. Celi è magnifico come sempre: ne è prova l'unanime commento positivo in questa pagina.
Beautifully played, but Celibidache's tempo is for a retirement village performance. If the rest of the opera were to be played like this it would take 6 hours.
I believe that making slower movements, without respecting the composer's scores, for the listener's enjoyment is not always the best, this interpretation of "Die Meistersinger" is proof of that.
three advertisements before the video an another one in the middle of the piece,destroying completelly the music!!!!!!!????sorry Herosong,but I'm not coming back to this channel ever again...
Wayward..... typical Celi, played with him many times, enjoyed it, but he always seemed to be trying to be different, for the sake of trying to be different.....
Ese comentario tan, pero tan trillado que, no solo en este video, sino absolutamente en todos los de Celibidache, encuentro (que gracias a este tempo más lento "podemos escuchar todas las capas y cada detalle") me hace preguntarme: ¿Acaso son idiotas musicales que si no les tocan la música lentamente, no son capaces de escuchar eso mismo? Se tenía que decir y se dijo.
In my opinion, the best time of this beautiful song starts 10:40. I can't explain my feeling at this specific moment. It is awesome.
My favorite interpretation! Lush, deliberate, bold and grand! We are able to appreciate all the textures, colors and the musical line.
O melhor Wagner orquestral que já ouví. Impressionante como Celibidache captava a atmosfera wagneriana com a sua singular solenidade e expressividade. Mais que isso, na execução ouve-se tudo e entende-se tudo, na medida certa. Como uma pintura de cuja visão não escapam os mais sutis e belos detalhes.
This kind of music best expresses what I consider true of the Germans: they are the day before yesterday and the day after tomorrow
"Beware! Evil tricks threaten us:/ If the German people and kingdom should one day decay,/ Under a false, foreign rule/ Soon no prince would understand his people;/ And foreign mists with foreign vanities/ They would plant in our German land;/ What is German and true none would know,/ If it did not live in the honour of German masters./ Therefore I say to you:/ honour your German masters,/ then you will conjure up good spirits!/ And if you favour their endeavours,/ Even if the holy Roman empire/ Should dissolve in mist,/ For us there would yet remain/ Holy German art!"
@@edby263 man, I should write it down
Celibidache nu a fost german 😂😂😂
Atenție!
I don't know, I think Nietzsche Was right.
F.Nietzsche is ALAWAYS right
WAGNER THE MAGNIFICENT !!! HIS MUSIC IS BEYOND WRETCHED HUMAN COMPREHENSION... IT HAS THE FULL POWER OF ITS MAJESTY, MIGHTY NATURE..
GREAT, RARE PERFORMANCE AND RECORDING! Every instrument is living beautifully, gracefully and uniquely within Majestic Wagner's harmony.. Majestic is always slow.. fantastically graceful and deeply meaningful, kindly respectful for every tiniest sound...
Mindblowing. And touching the heart! Wagner, the great!
This is ,for me ,the most CLEAR and beautiful TEMPO !
T
La plus belle version des Maîtres Chanteurs... Celibidache a su retranscrire toute la dimension mystique de Wagner !
This is the opening of the New Gasteig Arts Centre Philharmonic Hall in Munich on the 11 November 1985
This was part of the festivities that morning 11 AM.
The evening berformance was Bruckner 5
Mark Hood, thank you very much. Knowing this little detail, makes this rendition more touching. I wonder very often why they were wearing casual suits and now I know. It was a morning concert. A great day for the MPO's history. Magnificent auditorium and orchestra but without Celibidache never will be the same. Thanks again.
The Germans have this life-affirming trait of overcoming defeat. Compare with the mourning-riddled atmosphere of "Remembrance Day" among the supposedly victorious British. This is but one hint as to why Germany is indestructible!
@@javiergilvidal1558 The concert has nothing to do with Remembrance day, just opening the new concert hall.
I have always loved this tempo
ABSOLUTE MASTERPIECE !
The opening bars played legato! How beautiful--how un-bombastic. The love shines through. So much legato where it is not notated in the score. Inspired. I wonder how Wagner articulated the score in his original manuscript. Or did later generations tinker with the score to remake it in their own image. About this idea that composer's indicated tempi are sacrosanct--As a composer myself I can safely say that tempi chosen during the process of composition are not the tempi I would choose after letting the piece rest for a while. Yes, faster tempi become slower tempi.
Good point. Legato makes sense.
@@Operafreak9 Thank you for your comment. I would love to hear more of your thoughts on this performance.
@@polenc7167 Not much more I can add. I think the tempi are very deliberate,and that seems appropriate for the dignified masters, rather than rushed, or perhaps overblown. Someone commented it is interesting to compare with Solti/VPO. I always lean toward Solti, but this is quite a new experience of Meistetsinger for me.
@@Operafreak9 Thank you. To clarify my earlier comment: Legato is rarely heard in a full orchestra even though it is indicated in the score. Legato means an almost imperceptible pause between notes. This does make the music more compelling to the sophisticated listener. But it is extreme, and I repeat, extremely difficult to do in a full orchestra because it required extreme discipline and exacting precision. After all, why bother when most people won't know the difference. I can assume that record company companies do not want to spend the money for the extra rehearsal time a good clean legato requires in full orchestra. Bravo to this record company executive for caring about music. And bravo to you for hearing this little (but actually big) detail.
@@polenc7167 Daniel, I am hardly as nuanced as you in hearing these subtleties. I appreciate the lesson. I am glad my appreciation of this particular performance has been broadened. I have also been listening to the brisk Toscanni version. Both electryifying for different reasons. I am sure you have probably studied Wagner's instructions as to what he wanted. It is such a marvelous piece, i think I could conduct it without total failure, but on second thought, as marvelous as it is, it cannot play itself, as I just implied, it needs a masterful hand to balance and interweave all the counter melodies. Meistersinger is often overrlooked, but it is stupendous even in the Wagner canon.
This piece was selected as the recessional music at my high school graduation (instead of the usual Pomp and Circumstance). I always flash back to that night whenever I hear it played. It seems fitting (along with P&C) for such an occasion.
God bless whoever chose this music over P&C.
Una delle interpretazioni più belle che io abbia ascoltato.
Qué maravilla de interpretación!! Todavía tengo los pelos de punta.
Wagner music makes me cry with joy now I've. Found it
This piece is my absolute favorite!
So great! I approve so much of his perfect legatos which required more effort and concentration than the way these passage at the beginning are usually played slurred. Slurring takes the heart and the joy from the music. C. uses slurs only when indicated in the score. What a novel and indeed revolutionary idea.
un altro che ama andare controcorrente. Rispettate chi come Celibidache ha onorato la musica da grande interprete!
and can you imagine, this is just the prelude, the opera is yet to start!
One of the best renderings of this Vorspiel I have ever heard!
The sheer correctness of Celibidache is marvelous. His conductor's ear was, next to that of Clemens Krauss, the finest of the century.
Celibidache is the NO.1 in my heart
El manejo de los "tempi" en la obra son extraordinarios!
This track plays in the background to the classic WWII movie:" Cross of Iron". It lends itself perfectly to the atmosphere of elation, fear ect of the Eastern front.
My non-body was surfing on glorious waves of sound.
It states....it develops....and then it comes back to the beginning.....brilliant.
He is Traditional Classical Conductor in the World!
If you check the correctness of Celibidache: he is always right on the tempo and is clean. It’s a pleasure to watch and listen to him. I saw him in Bucharest, 1979, in concert. The encore was the First Romanian Rhapsody
I totally agree. By comparison, Celi's solid sense of time, phrasing and restraint make most of the top conductors seem over-heated, out of control and desperate.
Interesting to hear this back to back with Solti and the VPO!
Magnificent and majestic.
Thank you Maria. It was the only music played that morning. The Meistersinger Overture was followed by long speeches by various political figures. The main musical event was the evening which, as I said the Munich Philharmonic performed Bruckner 5 with Celi. I watched it all live on Television.
Großartig! Wirklich groß!
Perfect!
De una belleza indescriptible.... Esta obra, como otras muchas de Wagner me traen a la memoria y al espíritu cierta inquietud de algo que aún resuena misterioso y enigmático de la mitología germana, y también manchada con nefasto tufillo nazi. Es mi personal opinión.
EXCELLENT BRASS!
德國🇩🇪作曲家李察德-瓦格那RICHARD-WAGNER（1813年－1883年）作曲的《＂名歌手在紐伦堡的歌唱比賽＂簡稱＂名歌手序曲＂DIE-MEISTERSINGER-VON-NURNBERG》／本曲由柴利彼达克指揮（德國🇩🇪）穆尼黑愛樂交響樂団演奏
wonderful, this performance, more than an interpretation seems to me as a meditation of Wagner's masterpiece.
This is definitely the best version I have heard the rest are all to fast could someone tell me what orchestra it is ?
These are the Münchner Philharmoniker, but what part is it, the ouverture?
Too slow. Without heart.
I agree this performance is not too fast...just the right speed
ALEMARH rubbish
@@alemarh275Asta fiind că nu înțelegi muzica
Auzul tău este setat pe gălăgie
Celi once again uses rubato to deconstruct Wagner's multilayered structure and bares all of it's treasures for those patient enough to follow...
Manolo Presas And where exactly do you hear Rubato? He's exquisitely equlibrating the sonorities in all possible layers, according to structure and the character of the score.
Music is the language one does not have to be a native off. A language people learn to speak and express with and to enjoy, sometimes without knowing any of it's grammar at all.
素晴らしい
Fantastic!
I'm playing the violin part on flute, and lemme tell you, it is HARD. The rhythm and syncopation is no problem, but the notes just go so high.... no one in my row can play them.....
+rinnychan8 Piece of cake. Hehe. I am just kidding.
Awe-inspiring!
I LOOOVVEE this!!!🔥💗
Well balanced and sane;.
Yes yes yes, well put! Tone and balance, -he's never over-hyping or exaggerating. Celi never hits you over the head, but rather lets you enter the music on your own terms. Brilliant...
grandioso
Così si dirige in paradiso!!
die Aufnahme könnte aus dem Jahre 1985 in der Philharmonie am Gasteig in München stammen ...
Super!
Sublime...
awesome!
Sublime !!!!
Gawd DAMN!
Does anyone else love 3:02 or is it just me
Not just you, I'm sure!
SERIOUSLY EPIC... 👍👍👍👍
Oh yea, Wagner’s never ending melody. The climax of that section at 4:05 is my favorite part of, well probably of any piece I’ve listened to.
!! Grandioso¡¡¡
Splendida esecuzione
Je connais un seul chef qui peut aussi structurer cette musique comme cela
¿Quién?
@@eltiogottlieb.4911 Jordi Mora Griso
@@alexandremyrat muchas gracias.
Bella y diferente,original interpretación de la bien conocida overtura de Meistersinger.
Menos " marcial' , militar acaso más acorde al gusto de los años 30 y el nazismo pero más próxima a la romántica historia de la opera,m as cercana a la lirica de las arias, a la voz Humana lo que le da mas sentido.
Aunque me gusta mucho la interpretation enérgica, animosa y con más sabor a marcha militar Prusiana es insoslayable el hecho que de militar la ópera no tiene nada.
A commercial break right in the middle of this piece. Everything you see on this media is censored.
Un român care a făcut prin opera lui cinste țări in care sa născut, România.
Lovely!
It isn't! It's glorious!
Only joking! It's not Taylor Swift, it's sublime, it's like Schopenhauer!!!!
2:48 head banger!
7:17 If I become a conductor, I want to have this much fun.
fantastica y hermosa obra.... from mexico....
MAGNIFICO
Beautiful
Empowering!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Wie langsam noch?
Music without fear.
penso che tu ti intenda molto poco di musica o che voglia fare il bastian contrario. Celi è magnifico come sempre: ne è prova l'unanime commento positivo in questa pagina.
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According to David Irving book "Hitler's war". Die Meistersinger is the Hitler favorite music
Beautifully played, but Celibidache's tempo is for a retirement village performance. If the rest of the opera were to be played like this it would take 6 hours.
I believe that making slower movements, without respecting the composer's scores, for the listener's enjoyment is not always the best, this interpretation of "Die Meistersinger" is proof of that.
awesome
5:00
three advertisements before the video an another one in the middle of the piece,destroying completelly the music!!!!!!!????sorry Herosong,but I'm not coming back to this channel ever again...
Pace is too slow .... I downloaded this Thank you
Boogiepop
This show was a manifestation of tragedy
Molto chiaro
Who's the stud with the silver tuba?
8:27
7:18
SOLTI: THE BEST.
Good sound, but a little bit slow.
2:04
3:44
This music is so GERMAN!
You don't have to American to be Great.
This music is more German than bratwurst... 😂🤣😂😂😂😁😁😁😁😁😁😁👍👍👍👍👍
:) Pelo menos, eu não preciso de unanimidade de comentários desta pagína para ter uma idea.
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マイスター
11:14 arby n the chief fans
What is this, a funeral march?
Boogiepop brought me here
Die Meistersinger is a comic opera, but you'd never guess from this humourless, leaden-footed performance.
wow! i have nothing to say. Celibidache stole 12 minutes from me.
this looks like an old recording, don't think the conductor is alive today
Shawn Li he died in 1999
@@jenniferdow1298 Sergiu Celibidache died in 1996
Wayward..... typical Celi, played with him many times, enjoyed it, but he always seemed to be trying to be different, for the sake of trying to be different.....
Essa música precisa de mais graça, leveza e destreza. Não aprecio assim como escuto nesse vídeo.
Diria que massa lent. Slow in my opinion. Langsam.
Ese comentario tan, pero tan trillado que, no solo en este video, sino absolutamente en todos los de Celibidache, encuentro (que gracias a este tempo más lento "podemos escuchar todas las capas y cada detalle") me hace preguntarme: ¿Acaso son idiotas musicales que si no les tocan la música lentamente, no son capaces de escuchar eso mismo? Se tenía que decir y se dijo.