Sometimes I wish the Walking Dead did what the book version of World War Z did. Part of the reason why the military really struggled there was because of using good tactics for the wrong war. They used anti-tank weaponry and digging foxholes, which was a horrid idea against the undead. Would have been cool to see that.
I think one of the most controversial things in zombie movies/shows is how they depict the military. Most people seem to think they are depicted as way too weak. But I actually think there is a case to be made that the military would fall in a situation like this. The military is dependent on the supply line. If the supply line is cut then their effectiveness is greatly reduced. If they don't have their ammunition and fuel and food and drinkable water they aren't going to be in a great position. And the military is also a job. They are incentivized by money. If you remove the need for money, how many people are going to hang around?
@@Laura-tv2dx I think the best way to explain the military failing is that it is not something they would be trained for, for obvious reasons. They would be trained for counter-terrorism, and to fight an intelligent enemy with tech like tanks and helicopters. They would be caught off guard by a large mass of flesh, shambling slowly while using their moans as a psychological weapon. Numerous soldiers would likely break and flee.
@bensinex7725 not to mention like in the battle of Yonkers, they kept shooting but the bodies just wouldn't drop, thus causing many to break rank and flee
Honestly, I'm glad they don't, because as badly depicted as the military is in TWD, Max Brooks lacks a basic understanding of how guns work and aping him would be infinitely worse. Never forget, midway through a losing war, the US military switches from a reliable, highly-modular, selective-fire rifle chambered in .223 Remington for a brand new, untested, semi-auto only rifle chambered in the notoriously anemic, unreliable, and dirty .22 long rifle. Every time he opens his mouth regarding firearms, it's to spout Fudd lore or Hollywood tactics, and it makes me cringe every time I think about how many people uncritically accept him as an expert.
I think TWD established very well that in the early phase of the zombie uprising, no one knew what was going on and no one knew what the dead would do or how it was spread... or that everyone was already infected and just waiting for a "real" death to reanimate. I'd wager that the soldiers had dead and wounded gathered in the hangar and were trying to figure out a plan when some of their former comrades began to rise and attack, and someone panicked and started executing ALL the wounded, someone else tried to intervene, and during arguments about who "needs" to get shot and who doesn't cohesion and order broke down among the spooked troops; a few began to panic, and soon it was all over. As for the two Joes in the storage room, maybe they got out and hunkered in the supply room for a day or two but succumbed to other sickness or wounds.
that is actually sounds more logical because it could be a soldier bitten by the walkers and the virus kicked in like Jenner said in Season 1 that everyone is infected and can´t do anything about it spreading because there were not any zombie movies before the dead started walking the earth. Its more of they don´t know what a zombie is and don´t know how to contain it. The virus is manufactured by French scientist in France and because of that man made biological weapons deadlier
The premise of TWD is good, the idea is excellent - if you enjoy the zombie apocalypse genre an we all seem to enjoy it. The initial outbreak of the zombie horde is always fascinating, but so few shows tackle this phase - why? Myriad reasons, but I feel impatience is one factor. FTWD almost gave us a fair explanation but it quickly sprinted away from the opening phase into some drawn out dull maritime silliness. But, the poor writing, unimaginative plots, inconsistencies and reliance on dull predictable tropes really put paid to this show as something watchable. Plenty of people stuck with it, I know some who did - I stopped watching around Season 5, it got especially stupid and boring. But plenty of people stuck with it, but they did not enjoy it and they complained more about it than I did. I think there is still space for another zombie series, TWD did a lot of harm but some good also, I think a better show might come along, potentially an honest and faithful adaptation of 'WWZ' in episodic form.
A thing I noticed is some of the dead soldiers are wearing M81 Woodland. I know camo isn't really a big thing but considering the fact most Soldier's in the walking dead only have UCP on (National guard from fear and some of the dead soldiers in the episode) Which makes me think either the situation was so bad the US Was pulling out its retired uniforms to give to soldiers or these elements were a mixture of Army and national guard or possible other branches at the Fort as well. The camo was just something I noticed and it is odd.
@@viperactual6036 could be, although in fear the walking dead the national guard were wearing UCP, and doing irl research shows M81 was phased outta the national guard by around 2010, so unless the units at Fort Conners were some of the last using it, or unless it was possible they were Air Force? Doubt it but it could be. Reserves do make sense as well....although considering how UCP was basically shat out in loads I couldn't imagine them having a shortage of uniforms.
@@scottishpanzer It could've been a mixture of branches/units or even civilians/vets pressed into service and equipped with surplus gear maybe? I though I spotted some old-school chestrigs on the M81 walkers... 🤔
Picked up on that also. But noticed the same being used in flashbacks of season one in the hospital. I had assumed that State Militia was also in play which used that pattern to some extent. So it could be a mixed bag of State Militia, Guard and federal forces all bunched up that fought.
Not the discussion at hand but this is one of the writers biggest sins in the plot of the walking dead. The premise is the group jas no food, no ammo, no meds, no equipment. This fort has all of that, the fact that the group leaves any supplies behind is one of the most unbelievable plots of the entire show. The walkers accidentally fire their guns proving that some abandoned military firearms were functional. They leave behind some MRE proving some of the food rations were protected enough from exposure to be edible. At this stage of the show no about of walkers would be deterring the group from collecting apparent supplies. They were alluding to the group basically at the brink of starving, and having run out of ammo months or years ago, and they left all that stuff behind because the base had some walkers. Mind blowing. All that aside great video analysis
At this point they were pros at killing walkers so you would think they would have funneled them outside through a smaller door used home made spears to off them.
so glad you have created this series, I have often wanted a backstory to some of the settings in the WD universe, and your theories are always well thought out.
Same. Truck was stocked. They could've taken it after the highway especially with the well and their source of water contaminated. Unless they took jugs once they started running low on water.
@@Cubsss the water is never mentioned again Shane and Glenn are the only ones who knew it was there what I think happened was the writers wrote it out because if they had all those gallons of clean water that well scene would not happen Dale and T Dog would never go to the well and find the bloated walker.
they find the farm within that same episode I believe. The group at the time thought they were safe and gonna start rebuilding their lives there with livestock, wells, and rivers. Point being, the water bottles were unnecessary and trying to bring them back to the farm would be more trouble than its worth
@@xJDMWaRRi0Rx Maybe but it couldn’t have hurt to take the water especially at first Herschel told them not to get comfortable because he didn’t want them to stay.
My idea on this environmental storytelling scene is this. The soldiers, after retreating from operation cobalt with helicopters or trucks, made a lot of noise. At first, nobody realized a horde was coming, and when it came, it was guns,tanks blazing. Many died with the few survivors locking themselves in the hangar,thankfully with many supplies. That room with the many corpses must have been their sleeping area, afterall there wouldn't be any form of beds to sleep on, it's a hangar. They could hear the dead outside so every night they locked themselves there, feeling safe ,as there knowledge was still that a bite or scratch turned you, with 2 guards guarding the supplies. Sadly one or more met their end one night, either as suicidal or injuries that glossed over. With them so close to each other one or a few were enough to cause chaos, friendly fire incidents, and bites. In the confusion with so many people dead, one by one, they would rise and bite, creating confusion on top of their first priority to find the breach and limited ammunation, slowly killing them all.The hangar was gone... This left the 2 guards alone. Trapped from everywhere, especially with all that gunfire, they probably decided to end themselves probably overdose or cyanide pill, as i would expect having medical supplies too if food was there. Thus ,the fort felt silent,with the horde drifting and the rest sleeping for the next victims.
i never understood why they did the entire pulley system, just wake them up, get them to chase you outside, get to a gate, lead them out, close the gate and double back to the back of the base by cutting a hole in the fence and patching the hole up like when they took the prison making the walkers just roam around the back of the base giving them the time to look for what they need without needing this mission impossible crap or just knife them one by one silently, the situation they got themselves in just makes no sense to me from the point of view of a group of hardened survivors what they did just seems like such a high risk low reward situation for the sake of a intense scene if anything what i described would be intensere cause of the chase element and would yield a far higher reward
It was in the middle of the night how could you risk something like that? Interior of the hangar reduced noise leaving the building, it was the best choice they could have taken, do it inside.
This theory is good. I was thinking starvation for the 2 soldiers since no injuries are visible but with the stack of food in that room, that wouldn’t make sense so maybe the injures were on their back or they “opted out” as Jenner would put it. There was definitely a fight in the hanger with all those bullet holes and shell casings. Maybe the damage on the outside was from someone trying to escape using a helicopter but maybe got bitten before hand and died or someone tried to blow it up with a rocket launcher. Overall, this is a good environmental story and the group definitely should have taken the supplies and not given up so easily 😭
In the Half Life universe the military was doing a great job but they were being attacked by all sides by an seemingly infinite enemy. There is no front line and a single head crab is all it takes to end a person. A single explosion from a teleport could disrupt an entire supply line. I think if an everyone is infected zombie virus happened in real life, it would play out near exactly like the 7 hour war. The military does well against the infected at first but with no way to replace loses fast enough they would eventually become overrun and collapse with only a few fortresses of civilization remaining. Like Rick Grimes though; I think there would be a U.S.M.C Corporal leading the way of some group of survivors, who is being observed by a man with a blue suit.
My wife I and recently began the reconciliation process after separating a year and a half ago. We used to watch TWD (and Fear) religiously until quitting watching during the episode the Kingdom was introduced (the tiger did it for her lol ). I ended up finishing the show on my own (started watching during the second half of season 10). Anyway , during a few of our recent visits we started binge watching your channel together, and it helped us reminisce about happier times. Tl:dr version? I really look forward to your uploads , and now have another reason to do so!
As someone Who deals with mental health issues I can agree with on the mental health even in the apocalypse, war, or anytime mental health is important and keep up the amazing work
I wonder why some of the soldiers, are wearing M81 Woodland BDU uniforms. They were replaced by UCP ACU uniforms at the time of the outbreak. Probably folks, that were in charge of costume design for the show just didn't care about this, but still, interesting.
As someone who had to stop watching around season 5 bc i no longer had Spike TV... I always look forward to your videos. Season summaries miss these little things. Thanks for making these !
As we all know by now, no one actually knew how or why the dead were reanimating so your interpretation of the events that may have transpired could be true. The fact that the soldiers ignored the dead that hadn't been shot in the head, while tending to their wounded comrades is a highly likely scenario that unfortunately contributed to their deaths. I've been following your interpretations of these stories and I continue to find them highly entertaining and informative so keep them coming.
No way I'd leave all those supplies behind. Maybe find away to bottleneck the walkers into a killzone or just try to lure them away like they did before.
I thought it was explained that the group that killed Maggies' group, the Reavers I think, stated that they killed the military that they worked for. I think that they killed the Fort Connors soldiers by killing the outer peremiter guards first, then attacking and locking up the survivors in the hanger to be killed by the newly dead.
After meeting a group like the whisperers, you’d think they smarten up and camouflage their scent so a room full of walker is only a mild inconvenience, but noooooo that would only make sense and make the characters look intelligent… can’t have that
Sometimes i'm still trying to Reason to myself how tf the Outbreak got so out of Control after Monument Day that Millitary Installations can be overun by Slowmoving Corpses but oh well Great Video
My theory is that slow moving corpses DIDN’T overrun the military bases. What did was maybe one or two soldiers that got bit or scratched and didn’t know (ie: in the heat of the moment they didn’t feel the bite or scratch happen) and thinking/hoping it wasn’t done by a walker they eventually passed and reanimated and attacked other vulnerable people in the area they were in. My theory is that before they turn they got the usual fever symptoms and because it was early on in the apocalypse they didn’t know a bite or scratch was lethal so they were in a medical area with other patients, infected/turned the other patients. Essentially a surprise zombie horde from within their own walls and not a zombie horde they saw coming from outside their gates.
@Swell-Films not really. Lurkers are more dangerous than normal roaming walkers. Lurkers can pretend they are a dead body or been so long without any living person can go dormant. Those bastards can bite you out of nowhere.
Them deciding to just leave and not try come back to kill them all is insane to me. There’s easily a hundred assault rifles and most likely lots of ammo in there to get themselves a huge advantage
Aw yeaaahhh back with another spooky tale! Ngl your vids make me more interested in TWD than the actual shows do, I love trying to put clues together lol
Here's my personal theory After fort Conner was secure they already had many injured men inside due to something and tried to help them heal but when one or more died they didn't know about the virus and how it worked so they just started piled them in a corner but as so they came back as Walker's and took the soldiers by suprise as they tried to get their guns and start shooting but due to the now walkers many of them had been bite as some shot themselves to prevent turning while some soldiers shot other soldiers that were bite in the end they were overun as some soldiers manage to escape to the storage I don't know about the lock part but that's just my theory
This theory isn’t good as they the military knew about resurrection before the outbreak fully got underway unless the government hid that headshots only kill which I dountn
I've binge watched Season 5 recently, and I think that there could be two opportunities here to explore in your Enviroment Storytelling series. The first is Noah's neighbourhood (episode 9), where everyone is dead and where Tyresee gets bitten and the second is in Atlanta when Daryl and Carol are looking for Beth (episode 6), where they explore varius places, like the place Carol used to go when Ed was hitting her, the camp where they meet Noah for the first time and the ambulance they use to escape a group of walkers.
Not to mention how close military personnel tend to be! These are all likely people who *were* friends and cared for each other and that makes things far more tense/complicated.
Really enjoy this series you're doing and looking deeper into what might've led to certain situations. Yes, this was a bit ridiculous, leaving so many supplies that they needed for Alexandria, but visually it was very cool and brought some true horror back to the walkers again. I feel that was needed somehow after the Whisperer arc where the horror was taken away from the walkers and put on this group of crazy people, wearing walker skins and living amonst them.
Great explaining👍🏾👍🏾 I wish Tales of the WD would've done this!! S5 E10 the Walker in the trunk, could you please do a video on that one. Love your channel 🎉🎉🎉
Ok so this is a huge stretch, but what if it was the CRM? We know they’ve been putting up outposts everywhere so they would’ve found this one way or another especially since the CRM is ex military so they’ll know about military bases. Da Story “As the outbreak began and cities burned either by the living fighting the dead or operation Cobalt many soldiers fled to the military bases they knew about and as they made it they held up for weeks maybe months, but as they began growing they ran into the CRM and at first they thought they were friendly, but back then the CRM didn’t trust them yet due to operation cobalt and what they did to civilians due to orders so the detachment sent there began opening fire causing many deaths on the ex military side and the rest would fall back into the hangers one of them being blown up before they ran out of rockets and the rest were fortified after the shock so what the CRM did was kill a few of them when they were sleeping and due to the disgust they had against the military for what they did they did just kill them they waited until the dead reanimated so the soldiers last moments would be filled with horror and fear. They would also lock the doors and as the horde of walkers killed everyone three soldiers escaped two of them making it to the storage room, but as a few soldiers and walks came close the third one locked the door to keep them safe (could possibly be brother idk) and as they were stuck in the storage room they were left there for years at one point giving up and killing themselves. Now for the reason the supply’s were there if it was at the start of the apocalypse I doubt the CRM would need the supply’s then or just didn’t care due to them being blinded by disgust for the soldiers who know but hey that’s just a theory a walking dead theory thanks for reading. Not realistic at all but I don’t care it’s fun
Could've very well been CRM back in its early days. I'd like to think that during the firefight, CRM forces didn't want to deal with a prolonged siege, so they could've easily tossed some gas canisters in there and ended it relatively quickly. Not really caring one way or another about reanimation since they were locked up tight.
Another really interesting take, thanks for sharing it. Maybe a couple of holes, but less than the "proper" plots often had towards the end. Thanks for the content.
We always make the assumption they were allies against the dead- its possible with the intact lock they started firing on eachother long before the first one became a walker. Speaking of Beta, any chance of a breakdown of that bar he stops in when he goes 'full moon' crazy? The note he picks up 'these two eyes see one truth' meant something else to someone else before he grabbed it
As always very interesting, your theories and let me add I've often wondered myself The Walking Dead could have done it better in the sense, for example, all those boxes of supplies find another way to get them out. They needed them so odd they wouldn't find another way to get them out. I remember that scene. That's one thing I've always felt. They could have done it a little better. I think that's why it began to go downhill.
@Swell-Films I don't know if you haven't done it already. The hospital 🏥 scene from the fear tye walking dead. Where you see the police 🚔 and swat teams that'll be a good one to explore.
One thing i find interesting to see is others also noticing the "odd" use of the old woodland on these particular soldiers, especially since they are all kitted the same with no mixed patterns that i noticed. There was something about this season, compared to the rest of the franchise, that depicted soldier walkers wearing woodland uniforms and gear instead of ucp or the other styles that where made standard by 2010. I remember a scene later with Daryl running into an undead soldier wearing the woodland gear while out by himself in the day, and taking some supplies from it's pouches.
I know this has nothing to do with the topic, but I hate when characters just leave good places/resources when they could easy taken them. I mean, couldnt they make handcraft arrows and bows to take out the wakers from above? Maybe trow something as a distraction for them to gather in a same place and then beggin fire, it would take some time but its easy.
I thought the same thing when I first saw this episode lots of gun's and unknown amount of ammo left behind enough mre to feed a small army for a year or two they didn't even at least gone back for those supplies later on.
I’d like an episode on the hospital in episode 1. The military stuff left behind (almost like they had to leave in a hurry), the well laid out lines of bodies, the bodies in the truck, ect
You should do a breakdown of the time when the group visit the smithsonian museum to gather supplies in season 9 episode 1 to see how it ended up like it did
Keep these up super interesting and what made me like and sub, few ideas maybe ? .The military helicopter on the roof in season 4 .The riot police walkers at the prison Also maybe who Alex was before the outbreak, she had extensive knowledge of the walkers for a survivor so early on, certainly an interesting subject Keep up the great work 👍
Awww, Man, I love your channel! ❤ These videos are so good. I keep saying you are keeping "the dead, alive"... Had to weigh in on this specific part of the story though, as I've only re-watched the start of S11 recently. I'll pretty much forgive TWD anything, as I absolutely bloody love the TV series, but this part really got me. Why, why, WHY, did nobody, lower themselves into this base quietly and spend 15 minutes "knife slotting walker heads" in a logical fashion, to clear that entire area, while the stinky, rotten barstards were all "asleep" !!!???? It was so obviously the easiest way to literally take over the base, then rummage through what was there in an orderly fashion. AR-15's, ammunition, rations/food and plenty of other stuff was there for the taking, with very little risk and the whole thing turned into a shit-show!
Exactly. Our survivors are more than capable of dealing with walkers at this point, this scene would’ve fit better if it was in like season 4 or something
@@Swell-Films Yes! There is virtually nothing in 11 Seasons that struck me like this, as to why our main characters didn't do something so obvious, which would have yielded so much of a benefit for them, especially as you pointed out, that Alexandria was really in trouble at that time as well.
Your theory involving disillusioned personnel is good and gave me cause to found my own theory; What's one of the many plot devices in a Zombie film that is great at causing irrational thinking, leading to a downfall? Getting bit and knowing full well what is the consequence for that. Z Day: Law Enforcement across the US begin to cripple under the escalating number of 911 calls reporting "Civil Disorder" (Be that Infected attacking or Looters taking the opportunity to help themselves), Governors across the US, either of their own accord or at the recommendation of Police Officials and Civil Advisors, put out a call to the National Guard and the Military. Thus, the personnel of Fort Connors is mobilised; at first, it looks like they're winning but more Civilians and First Responders are falling and turning meaning the order is given to fall back to the Fort. Several say "No, sir, f**k you, sir!" and go AWOL but those who either have no family living (or at least in the immediate area outside the base) or those who have resorted to the mindset of "I have a duty to perform and I will do it in the name of America!" obey and fall back to the base. During the stand-off or the retreat, one Soldier, let's call him Private Kowalski, gets accidentally bit; immediately, young Kowalski begins to panic because we're either at the stage where it's been officially ordered anyone recently bit is to be terminated, NO exceptions, or it is just a rumour circulating the Rank and File. Desperately, Kowalski covers his wound and either passes it off as a cut or says nothing at all. Eventually, the order is given to hold up in the hangar and everyone does so; during this, Kowalski starts feeling hot and can't stop shaking, he's coughing violently and is that blood in his mucus? He slinks away into a corner and, in all the hubbub of Officers desperately wondering what to do because they either haven't received orders from Washington or the signal is too patchy for them to coherently understand them, NCOs trying to keep up morale by barking out orders such as "CHECK THE BARRICADES, EVEN IF YOU JUST CHECKED THEM!" and Privates yelling at each other to shut up so they can hear the static riddled reports from a AM/FM radio, turns into a Walker. Later, another Soldier, who we'll call Corporal Addams, notices Kowalski is huddled in a corner, moaning slightly. He approaches the young Private and Hell breaks loose... Sorry for the long read....
I have two guesses. one is that they died from wounds. the other, which I find more interesting, is that they ran out of water and died of dehydration while being locked in the building, because you need water for the mre and you'd die faster with no water than with no food. the damage to the building was probably caused by time and weather, because it was on a corner and didn't compromise the structure at all, and we've seen what weather did to places like the museum when it stopped being maintained. the padlock was probably the idea of one of the last soldiers still conscious, who saw their inevitable death and locked themselves to leave supplies for anyone who decided to loot it, since it would be near impossible to open it from the other side of the door without making noise and hearing the walkers on the other side before having it open (unless they shot the hinges but that's dumb to do)
I think this interpretation is almost perfect. But one part that you maybe missed was the chunk missing from the hanger in the very tired torture of the video. I don’t think a tank would have shot that since the tank shown is a m1a1 Abram’s. These tanks shoot large metal sharp rods that are suppose to go through tanks. Sure there is high explosive rounds but I think maybe that would have done significantly more damage to the building. Either than that I think your spot on, great video Ty!
I think it would be more realistic if this happened while everyone was sleeping, The padlock could be from someone inside purposefully sacrificing the group to prevent the spread, possibly having been bitten and knowing they would die anyway. Asphyxiation or poisoning could also be interesting but seeing as some people fought back I find it unlikely.
I also feel like some of the damage on the buildings could have been caused by lack of care and degrade, since everyone was dead there was no way to repair the buildings and over time the material would decay, it happens to many buildings, especially in terrible weather with Wood being known to degrade when exposed to too much water being a famous example.
One of the issues I have with this is they had to leave some supplies behind as they couldn't carry it all. If the food rations were left untouched like that, it's rational to assume that the base's armory and other supplies would be left untouched to some extent. Seems like a waste to just leave with what you could get and not come back.
Due to the soldiers wearing the older M81 camouflage and the presence of a tank on base, it seems like Fort Connors was Army National Guard. With how long the hair of some of the troops are, it seems like they potentially survived months into the apocalypse. Maybe the supply area was locked off to force rationing under the orders of some high ranked officer and the hanger was just a general gathering area. Perhaps after coming back from a mission, some guardsmen came back unknowing they were bitten, died in their sleep, and came back, catching their comrades off guard. Maybe the two supply guards simply got shot through the walls?
They could have sorted the horde by making a chokepoint in the hallway, but I don't think its that far fetched to believe they could have left such place in a hurry without trying more, I think they were panicked and considering the sensitivity of the situation including the starvation, the whisperers, there was probably low morale, low motivation to risk your life, and low energy.
At 6:33 at the top of the screen, just to the left of the flag and right of the door is a stack of climbable crates. Why no soldier thought to use that, or any of the other numerous tall objects, as a defensive point and shoot/bayonet any of the walkers seems a little silly. In basic we got taught to use everything to our advantage, so I know someone would attempt that. If I had to guess what happened, the group locked themselves in, in an effort to prevent the dead from getting in. At some point a fight broke out, likely between two factions over what to do. With tensions high, morale low, and weapons at hands a firefight quickly broke out. We see there are bullet holes in the walls, but don’t see how the two quartermasters died. Perhaps stray fire killed them. Anyways the firefight between soldiers would explain why no one went for higher ground. Perhaps after tensions settled the dead soldiers came back to life and massacred the rest, hence why we see cold bodies and mutilated ones. Frankly the lock on the door is a big WTF. Why lock themselves in? It would have made much more sense if it was on the other side of the door.
They always give up on things when walkers are easy to kill. You just have to strategize and create a system or process to slowly take them out one by one. Sure it may be slow but the rewards for the work are plenty.
9:55 No no no. Clearly what happened is the solider put something in the food. Everyone was gathered around a pot of stew or boiled meat. So the solider put some kind of tasteless house hold chemical in the food. Then he sat back eating his MRE. When people started getting poisoned he left. Locking the door behind him.
Maybe the soldiers decided to takem themselves out as the outside was overunned. They could have low ammo, and some of them shot themselves in the head (explaining half of the corpses not transforming) and the rest using cyanide pills they could have. They could have also been trapped inside and slowlly began to die from dehydration and some of them opten out shooting thelselves or something like that.
can you cover the prison? ive always wondered what happened there, especially with the dead guards, civilians in the court yard, exploded part of the building in the back (but no other damage, so def not cobalt), the flipped bus, and other suspicious things, like the prisoners story about the one guard who ran off.
I believe the two guys in the store room died of thirst after locking themselves in (lots of MRE’s and basic supplies but no water cause they wouldn’t have a need for it on a base in the states). For why they’re so many soldiers in the hanger I think they likely retreated into the hanger after the fences were overrun, some likely had been bitten and turned causing chaos where now the dead in identical uniforms as the living began fighting like described in the video.
Maybe next time about environment twd edition, we can talk about the High School FEMA camp where both Shane and Otis taking supplies for Carl's medicine and as you can see, there's so many zombified soldier (and possibly police officer and doctors) if you don't mind it
Good scenario. I never really gave it any thought as to what happened. I never understood why all the stuff was left behind. Clearing out that hangar would be a walk in the park for the crew. Other thing I always wondered. Was the helo that crashed in Walk With Me and if after the base fell, the soldiers The Governor dispatched were survivors from it.
One soldier just ONE simply snapped from the deteriorating mental health issues and killed a couple or even a few of his comrades and if it was indeed early the resulting chaos in such a limited area was all it took.
If you actually look at the shot you have of the horde starting to rise up. @6:32 by the three barrels and the second to right most body on the ground looks like a women in a dress. I think there were some civilians in the hanger, as I think what happened is the base was overrun early on, the military bombed it in an attempt to destroy the horde. Survivors sought refuge in the hanger only to realize some of their number had been bitten and accelerated turning. The door has already been padlocked by a security detail before hand hence the door lock. The soldiers simply did not have time to try and break it The two men, Bros, buds or just grunts were assigned guard duty over the food cache. Where I think it can imply maybe they each killed each other thinking the other was going to betray them and steal the food
I'd like to think that there were eventually plans by the group to return and finish the job and gather the rest of the resources. But then the whole Reapers, then Commonwealth takeover pretty much put the kibosh on that.
While i stopped watching long ago it amazes me the amount of effort they go to for certain elements i didn't even know Virginia had its own State Defense Force till today
I think the opposite is true I think the base lasted longer not shorter due to the uniforms being older retired uniforms by the time of the outbreak. The M81 was retired in 2005 and it would make sense that the base held on for so long that they had the start handing out older uniforms to replace the ones being damaged or they where airforce personnel which would have still been using it at that time. And that it could also be that they where using the hanger as a makeshift barracks and someone died in there sleep and turned while everyone was sleeping and the two in the back where supposed to be the watch that night and where instead in the back. And the lock some one put on it when they where fighting back to make sure that none got out if they failed to contain it.
I can’t wait for Humbug's Gulch, Greenville facility, ones who live ep4. I always thought. This one is pretty easy. There was some sort of conflict within. Feels like a plan ambush. That went completely wrong. Double cross from somebody. Who didn’t like the way things were run. It seems more than likely. Some of the soldiers weren’t comfortable. With not doing everything they could to help the people on the outside. If I had to guess. Based on what we see. But some of the other soldiers were more comfortable. With looking out for themselves. Thus you have a conflict. Good soldiers versus bad soldiers. With civilians stuck in the middle. This is just my theory before I watch the video. Probably soldiers feeling guilty over operation cobalt. Decide to take out the soldiers. They feel responsible. To make up for what they did. 12:03 looks like we’re on the same wavelink. I think it’s possible that a reclamation team. From the CRM. Probably could’ve made that hole in the building. We see them do a similar thing. 5:30 I know we never see this, but there might be tons of walkers in the city to. That would be attracted to all the noise and gunfire. The city looks absolutely destroyed. So that could be more walkers anywhere. Tons more. I feel pretty certain the outside of the city must be a CRM reclamation team. just makes sense based on Rick told Michonne’s
I think a crm reclamation team is an interesting theory, I saw another comment mention it could’ve been from a gas attack but it’s hard to tell as the CRM would have more than likely looted that place like crazy
@@Swell-Films they never loot, Texas. Or hunt down, The rogue soldier. Maybe there’s just some things that they deem. Not worth it. The way major general bill, talks with Rick during his fight. Makes me think that there’s certain things they probably will let go. Until they get more Intel. Which goes back to what I said earlier. We never see it. But maybe the city is too overrun. Most cities, were,overrun. you could’ve been anywhere. Is what he said, you were dead to us. Unless he met something else by that.
@@Swell-Films interesting they didn’t loot Texas. Or search for the rogue soldier. They also don’t, loot ned colony. After destroying it. I think there are certain situations where they just don’t do it. They just label the area as uninhabitable. Like we see in the opening theme. For the ones who live. I feel like pretty much for sure they didn’t loot. Ned, colony. Or Michonne, and Ned. For sure, would’ve been dead if they did? As they were in, no position to fight back. I think it’s simply that they have to clear a area. Before they loot, it. Thus, the guys that come back in red. That come back covered in blood.. that nobody knows what they do
@@Swell-Films they also don’t loot, Texas. Or search for the rogue soldier.. they also don’t loot Ned colony. I think they have to clear a area. Before they loot it. Otherwise, michonne, and ned. Would’ve been killed before they had a chance to recover. Like we see on the map. I think they deem some places uninhabitable.
I would love to see an environmental storytelling from The Ones Who Live. The soldier that Rick found when he was setting up the escape for Michonne. The body with a bag of canned food and the sentence written, “I’m sorry. Tell them that I lied.” Or something like that. I know there’s really not a lot of context for it, so there wouldn’t be enough for a video. But I always wondered about that body and what they wrote.
I think the Fort Connors exterior simply got overrun by walkers, those in the hanger as a result took shelter there, eventually, someone would turn to a walker causing chaos in the hanger while the two that are in the storage room either the remaining two soldiers shot each other as trying to survive with the most amount of supplies or both ended their lives given that at the time there would be no way out with the hoard of walkers both inside and outside the hanger.
the soldiers locked themselves in so that no zombies would get out, maybe some of them got bit or wounded while retreating, i know some military wont leave comrades behind, maybe thats why they became overwhelmed
Realistically, yes, you could use nerve gas or thermobaric bombs to great effect. Unfortunately the Wildfire Virus is anything but realistic so the Walkers would just ignore it I guess?
Thinking about fear the walking dead, I think some soldiers wanted to abandon their post and go home to their family's. The CO had the doors locked and ordered them to stay..they still had a job. A fight broke out and the shooting started. All died and this was right in the beginning of the outbreak. But your versions are much better.
What I didn't get about that scene, is that they could have systematically and stealthily go around and kill all the walkers in the base, then they could have easily collected all the supplies they would have needed
Stabbing to a walker skull do make a sound. Even it is extremely quiet, the hanger is so silent that it could well be a massive echo in the hanger. Loud enough to alert the sleeping walkers or any disturbance that makes them growl or moan like Daryl blood drop did and cause a chain reaction.
I think the writers thought this would be cool. To many questions in this one: how did zombies knock out a tank, why did so many soldiers have long hair, why are the doors lock on the inside, why not go back for the supplies. After I watched episode, I really tried to figure this out, but I think it's a mystery box.
I’m guessing they slept in the hangar and the door was locked because of food rationing. No matter how plenty the food, during crisis there will always be rationed. The door would’ve been locked on the inside rather than the “supply side” because else, these 2 guard could just lock all the other guys up and leave with all the supplies. Probably a officer inside of the hangar was carrying the key, and would rotate guys guarding the supplyroom. Something went wrong inside the hangar tho, someone reanimated and chaos ensued. No idea what happened to the guards tho but they did not die in a “comfortable pose”.
The thing is the military did not how to fight the reanimated dead. They would sent squads in a building that they knew had dead in them. It was like wasting lives for nothing.
the soldiers apparently had everything they needed to survive the end of the old world, except the most important - luck. whatever happened, it ended quickly and bloody. (as for the flaws in the script of the last two seasons, let's not forget that they were already preparing to end the show.. with all the consequences of that haste.) 😊
Sometimes I wish the Walking Dead did what the book version of World War Z did. Part of the reason why the military really struggled there was because of using good tactics for the wrong war. They used anti-tank weaponry and digging foxholes, which was a horrid idea against the undead. Would have been cool to see that.
I think one of the most controversial things in zombie movies/shows is how they depict the military. Most people seem to think they are depicted as way too weak. But I actually think there is a case to be made that the military would fall in a situation like this. The military is dependent on the supply line. If the supply line is cut then their effectiveness is greatly reduced. If they don't have their ammunition and fuel and food and drinkable water they aren't going to be in a great position. And the military is also a job. They are incentivized by money. If you remove the need for money, how many people are going to hang around?
Couldn’t agree more, the use of thermobarics in the book still haunts me
@@Laura-tv2dx I think the best way to explain the military failing is that it is not something they would be trained for, for obvious reasons. They would be trained for counter-terrorism, and to fight an intelligent enemy with tech like tanks and helicopters. They would be caught off guard by a large mass of flesh, shambling slowly while using their moans as a psychological weapon. Numerous soldiers would likely break and flee.
@bensinex7725 not to mention like in the battle of Yonkers, they kept shooting but the bodies just wouldn't drop, thus causing many to break rank and flee
Honestly, I'm glad they don't, because as badly depicted as the military is in TWD, Max Brooks lacks a basic understanding of how guns work and aping him would be infinitely worse.
Never forget, midway through a losing war, the US military switches from a reliable, highly-modular, selective-fire rifle chambered in .223 Remington for a brand new, untested, semi-auto only rifle chambered in the notoriously anemic, unreliable, and dirty .22 long rifle. Every time he opens his mouth regarding firearms, it's to spout Fudd lore or Hollywood tactics, and it makes me cringe every time I think about how many people uncritically accept him as an expert.
I think TWD established very well that in the early phase of the zombie uprising, no one knew what was going on and no one knew what the dead would do or how it was spread... or that everyone was already infected and just waiting for a "real" death to reanimate. I'd wager that the soldiers had dead and wounded gathered in the hangar and were trying to figure out a plan when some of their former comrades began to rise and attack, and someone panicked and started executing ALL the wounded, someone else tried to intervene, and during arguments about who "needs" to get shot and who doesn't cohesion and order broke down among the spooked troops; a few began to panic, and soon it was all over.
As for the two Joes in the storage room, maybe they got out and hunkered in the supply room for a day or two but succumbed to other sickness or wounds.
that is actually sounds more logical because it could be a soldier bitten by the walkers and the virus kicked in like Jenner said in Season 1 that everyone is infected and can´t do anything about it spreading because there were not any zombie movies before the dead started walking the earth. Its more of they don´t know what a zombie is and don´t know how to contain it. The virus is manufactured by French scientist in France and because of that man made biological weapons deadlier
I def agree with this one. The lack of weapons on every corpse and walker also made me think casualty collection point early on.
The premise of TWD is good, the idea is excellent - if you enjoy the zombie apocalypse genre an we all seem to enjoy it.
The initial outbreak of the zombie horde is always fascinating, but so few shows tackle this phase - why?
Myriad reasons, but I feel impatience is one factor. FTWD almost gave us a fair explanation but it quickly sprinted away from the opening phase into some drawn out dull maritime silliness.
But, the poor writing, unimaginative plots, inconsistencies and reliance on dull predictable tropes really put paid to this show as something watchable.
Plenty of people stuck with it, I know some who did - I stopped watching around Season 5, it got especially stupid and boring. But plenty of people stuck with it, but they did not enjoy it and they complained more about it than I did.
I think there is still space for another zombie series, TWD did a lot of harm but some good also, I think a better show might come along, potentially an honest and faithful adaptation of 'WWZ' in episodic form.
Interesting
Lack of water, MREs have no liquids save some of the retort pouch foods being somewhat moist
A thing I noticed is some of the dead soldiers are wearing M81 Woodland.
I know camo isn't really a big thing but considering the fact most Soldier's in the walking dead only have UCP on (National guard from fear and some of the dead soldiers in the episode)
Which makes me think either the situation was so bad the US Was pulling out its retired uniforms to give to soldiers or these elements were a mixture of Army and national guard or possible other branches at the Fort as well.
The camo was just something I noticed and it is odd.
Could be Army/NatGuard Reserves, right?
@@viperactual6036 could be, although in fear the walking dead the national guard were wearing UCP, and doing irl research shows M81 was phased outta the national guard by around 2010, so unless the units at Fort Conners were some of the last using it, or unless it was possible they were Air Force? Doubt it but it could be.
Reserves do make sense as well....although considering how UCP was basically shat out in loads I couldn't imagine them having a shortage of uniforms.
@@scottishpanzer It could've been a mixture of branches/units or even civilians/vets pressed into service and equipped with surplus gear maybe? I though I spotted some old-school chestrigs on the M81 walkers... 🤔
@@viperactual6036 could be, I didn't spot the old chest rigs on them so I will rematch it unless you got a timestamp
Picked up on that also. But noticed the same being used in flashbacks of season one in the hospital. I had assumed that State Militia was also in play which used that pattern to some extent. So it could be a mixed bag of State Militia, Guard and federal forces all bunched up that fought.
Just wanted to say I'm a big fan of your environmental storytelling it's makes it way better for me to understand
Hey thanks so much for watching!
I agree keep up the good work
@@Swell-Filmsplease keep this series going
@@Swell-FilmsI knew at point you would make this video
Not the discussion at hand but this is one of the writers biggest sins in the plot of the walking dead. The premise is the group jas no food, no ammo, no meds, no equipment. This fort has all of that, the fact that the group leaves any supplies behind is one of the most unbelievable plots of the entire show. The walkers accidentally fire their guns proving that some abandoned military firearms were functional. They leave behind some MRE proving some of the food rations were protected enough from exposure to be edible. At this stage of the show no about of walkers would be deterring the group from collecting apparent supplies. They were alluding to the group basically at the brink of starving, and having run out of ammo months or years ago, and they left all that stuff behind because the base had some walkers. Mind blowing. All that aside great video analysis
Its always the same great low quality sloppy writing we all keep coming back to eat up though
At this point they were pros at killing walkers so you would think they would have funneled them outside through a smaller door used home made spears to off them.
@@cripplers8after seeing them clear the dead out of a prison it really bothers me when we don’t see this practise used more in later seasons.
And the worst part, if they had cleared out the fort they would have found Glenn alive and well hiding below a dumpster too
so glad you have created this series, I have often wanted a backstory to some of the settings in the WD universe, and your theories are always well thought out.
Kinda of reminds me of the time in season two when the group left a truck full of water on the highway.
Same. Truck was stocked. They could've taken it after the highway especially with the well and their source of water contaminated. Unless they took jugs once they started running low on water.
@@Cubsss the water is never mentioned again Shane and Glenn are the only ones who knew it was there what I think happened was the writers wrote it out because if they had all those gallons of clean water that well scene would not happen Dale and T Dog would never go to the well and find the bloated walker.
@keyofdestiny857 Yeah, that's true.
they find the farm within that same episode I believe. The group at the time thought they were safe and gonna start rebuilding their lives there with livestock, wells, and rivers. Point being, the water bottles were unnecessary and trying to bring them back to the farm would be more trouble than its worth
@@xJDMWaRRi0Rx Maybe but it couldn’t have hurt to take the water especially at first Herschel told them not to get comfortable because he didn’t want them to stay.
My idea on this environmental storytelling scene is this.
The soldiers, after retreating from operation cobalt with helicopters or trucks, made a lot of noise. At first, nobody realized a horde was coming, and when it came, it was guns,tanks blazing. Many died with the few survivors locking themselves in the hangar,thankfully with many supplies. That room with the many corpses must have been their sleeping area, afterall there wouldn't be any form of beds to sleep on, it's a hangar. They could hear the dead outside so every night they locked themselves there, feeling safe ,as there knowledge was still that a bite or scratch turned you, with 2 guards guarding the supplies. Sadly one or more met their end one night, either as suicidal or injuries that glossed over. With them so close to each other one or a few were enough to cause chaos, friendly fire incidents, and bites. In the confusion with so many people dead, one by one, they would rise and bite, creating confusion on top of their first priority to find the breach and limited ammunation, slowly killing them all.The hangar was gone...
This left the 2 guards alone. Trapped from everywhere, especially with all that gunfire, they probably decided to end themselves probably overdose or cyanide pill, as i would expect having medical supplies too if food was there.
Thus ,the fort felt silent,with the horde drifting and the rest sleeping for the next victims.
i never understood why they did the entire pulley system, just wake them up, get them to chase you outside, get to a gate, lead them out, close the gate and double back to the back of the base by cutting a hole in the fence and patching the hole up like when they took the prison making the walkers just roam around the back of the base giving them the time to look for what they need without needing this mission impossible crap or just knife them one by one silently, the situation they got themselves in just makes no sense to me from the point of view of a group of hardened survivors
what they did just seems like such a high risk low reward situation for the sake of a intense scene if anything what i described would be intensere cause of the chase element and would yield a far higher reward
love the content btw
They're terrible survivors is why. In that situation I believe people would do whatever necessary to get that food.
Yeah there are many other ways to go about this that would’ve been much more effective
"I just gave em the slip. Wasn't that hard. They're not all that."
It was in the middle of the night how could you risk something like that? Interior of the hangar reduced noise leaving the building, it was the best choice they could have taken, do it inside.
Favorite time of the day is anytime when I see your RUclips notification pop up. Love the environmental storytelling keep it up!
Hey thanks so much mate! Appreciate you watching!
This theory is good. I was thinking starvation for the 2 soldiers since no injuries are visible but with the stack of food in that room, that wouldn’t make sense so maybe the injures were on their back or they “opted out” as Jenner would put it. There was definitely a fight in the hanger with all those bullet holes and shell casings. Maybe the damage on the outside was from someone trying to escape using a helicopter but maybe got bitten before hand and died or someone tried to blow it up with a rocket launcher. Overall, this is a good environmental story and the group definitely should have taken the supplies and not given up so easily 😭
They could have died of thirst, MREs are great for food but don't have water
In the Half Life universe the military was doing a great job but they were being attacked by all sides by an seemingly infinite enemy. There is no front line and a single head crab is all it takes to end a person. A single explosion from a teleport could disrupt an entire supply line. I think if an everyone is infected zombie virus happened in real life, it would play out near exactly like the 7 hour war. The military does well against the infected at first but with no way to replace loses fast enough they would eventually become overrun and collapse with only a few fortresses of civilization remaining. Like Rick Grimes though; I think there would be a U.S.M.C Corporal leading the way of some group of survivors, who is being observed by a man with a blue suit.
My wife I and recently began the reconciliation process after separating a year and a half ago. We used to watch TWD (and Fear) religiously until quitting watching during the episode the Kingdom was introduced (the tiger did it for her lol ). I ended up finishing the show on my own (started watching during the second half of season 10).
Anyway , during a few of our recent visits we started binge watching your channel together, and it helped us reminisce about happier times.
Tl:dr version? I really look forward to your uploads , and now have another reason to do so!
Aw I’m glad to hear! Hope things are well!
As someone Who deals with mental health issues I can agree with on the mental health even in the apocalypse, war, or anytime mental health is important and keep up the amazing work
This lowkey reminds me of Chilton High carnival especially with the untouched food supplies
I wonder why some of the soldiers, are wearing M81 Woodland BDU uniforms. They were replaced by UCP ACU uniforms at the time of the outbreak. Probably folks, that were in charge of costume design for the show just didn't care about this, but still, interesting.
i know that in season 9 daryl kills 2 soldier walkers in the woods. both of them wearing the outdated m81 camo. probably reservists/militia?
@@daviddolezal8428 Yeah i saw that too. That can be true.
2008ish? National Guard or state military maybe
Probably Guard unit, during GWOT I seen several with woodland.
it's likely that the Army National Guard phased out the M81 Woodland pattern sometime between 2004 and 2012 due to the transition process.
As someone who had to stop watching around season 5 bc i no longer had Spike TV... I always look forward to your videos. Season summaries miss these little things. Thanks for making these !
As we all know by now, no one actually knew how or why the dead were reanimating so your interpretation of the events that may have transpired could be true. The fact that the soldiers ignored the dead that hadn't been shot in the head, while tending to their wounded comrades is a highly likely scenario that unfortunately contributed to their deaths. I've been following your interpretations of these stories and I continue to find them highly entertaining and informative so keep them coming.
Yeah, I agree the writing on this was pretty silly.
They didn't even go back to get the rest.
No way I'd leave all those supplies behind. Maybe find away to bottleneck the walkers into a killzone or just try to lure them away like they did before.
I thought it was explained that the group that killed Maggies' group, the Reavers I think, stated that they killed the military that they worked for. I think that they killed the Fort Connors soldiers by killing the outer peremiter guards first, then attacking and locking up the survivors in the hanger to be killed by the newly dead.
Interesting theory
Lock them in a hanger with weapons? And they are called The Reapers.
After meeting a group like the whisperers, you’d think they smarten up and camouflage their scent so a room full of walker is only a mild inconvenience, but noooooo that would only make sense and make the characters look intelligent… can’t have that
Sometimes i'm still trying to Reason to myself how tf the Outbreak got so out of Control after Monument Day that Millitary Installations can be overun by Slowmoving Corpses but oh well Great Video
Yeaaaa I think that’s why they don’t show it often lol, just the aftermath
@@Swell-Films Yeah that seems to be the Case
My theory is that slow moving corpses DIDN’T overrun the military bases. What did was maybe one or two soldiers that got bit or scratched and didn’t know (ie: in the heat of the moment they didn’t feel the bite or scratch happen) and thinking/hoping it wasn’t done by a walker they eventually passed and reanimated and attacked other vulnerable people in the area they were in.
My theory is that before they turn they got the usual fever symptoms and because it was early on in the apocalypse they didn’t know a bite or scratch was lethal so they were in a medical area with other patients, infected/turned the other patients.
Essentially a surprise zombie horde from within their own walls and not a zombie horde they saw coming from outside their gates.
How many abandoned bases or military controlled towns have we seen @@HasAlwaysTheHighground
It's nuts
The fact all of them turned into *lurkers* is crazy tho tbh
Yeah the rules when it comes to walkers are a little strange
Cool
@Swell-Films not really. Lurkers are more dangerous than normal roaming walkers. Lurkers can pretend they are a dead body or been so long without any living person can go dormant. Those bastards can bite you out of nowhere.
@@dillantervet9055 Which should teach survivors not to trust dead bodies after i dunno, the first 1-2 jumpscares?
Them deciding to just leave and not try come back to kill them all is insane to me. There’s easily a hundred assault rifles and most likely lots of ammo in there to get themselves a huge advantage
Plot demands they are always on underdog spot.
Aw yeaaahhh back with another spooky tale! Ngl your vids make me more interested in TWD than the actual shows do, I love trying to put clues together lol
Here's my personal theory
After fort Conner was secure they already had many injured men inside due to something and tried to help them heal but when one or more died they didn't know about the virus and how it worked so they just started piled them in a corner but as so they came back as Walker's and took the soldiers by suprise as they tried to get their guns and start shooting but due to the now walkers many of them had been bite as some shot themselves to prevent turning while some soldiers shot other soldiers that were bite in the end they were overun as some soldiers manage to escape to the storage I don't know about the lock part but that's just my theory
This theory isn’t good as they the military knew about resurrection before the outbreak fully got underway unless the government hid that headshots only kill which I dountn
I've binge watched Season 5 recently, and I think that there could be two opportunities here to explore in your Enviroment Storytelling series. The first is Noah's neighbourhood (episode 9), where everyone is dead and where Tyresee gets bitten and the second is in Atlanta when Daryl and Carol are looking for Beth (episode 6), where they explore varius places, like the place Carol used to go when Ed was hitting her, the camp where they meet Noah for the first time and the ambulance they use to escape a group of walkers.
You know the Wolves attacked Noah's neighborhood🤦🏾
Not to mention how close military personnel tend to be! These are all likely people who *were* friends and cared for each other and that makes things far more tense/complicated.
Really enjoy this series you're doing and looking deeper into what might've led to certain situations. Yes, this was a bit ridiculous, leaving so many supplies that they needed for Alexandria, but visually it was very cool and brought some true horror back to the walkers again. I feel that was needed somehow after the Whisperer arc where the horror was taken away from the walkers and put on this group of crazy people, wearing walker skins and living amonst them.
Damn man you weren’t kidding about how dark that episode was! I have my brightness turned all the way up, and you helped brighten the screen 😬
Yeah it was brutal this episode lol
Great explaining👍🏾👍🏾
I wish Tales of the WD would've done this!!
S5 E10 the Walker in the trunk, could you please do a video on that one.
Love your channel 🎉🎉🎉
The storytelling in this video is so amazing man!
Thanks bro!
Ok so this is a huge stretch, but what if it was the CRM? We know they’ve been putting up outposts everywhere so they would’ve found this one way or another especially since the CRM is ex military so they’ll know about military bases. Da Story “As the outbreak began and cities burned either by the living fighting the dead or operation Cobalt many soldiers fled to the military bases they knew about and as they made it they held up for weeks maybe months, but as they began growing they ran into the CRM and at first they thought they were friendly, but back then the CRM didn’t trust them yet due to operation cobalt and what they did to civilians due to orders so the detachment sent there began opening fire causing many deaths on the ex military side and the rest would fall back into the hangers one of them being blown up before they ran out of rockets and the rest were fortified after the shock so what the CRM did was kill a few of them when they were sleeping and due to the disgust they had against the military for what they did they did just kill them they waited until the dead reanimated so the soldiers last moments would be filled with horror and fear. They would also lock the doors and as the horde of walkers killed everyone three soldiers escaped two of them making it to the storage room, but as a few soldiers and walks came close the third one locked the door to keep them safe (could possibly be brother idk) and as they were stuck in the storage room they were left there for years at one point giving up and killing themselves. Now for the reason the supply’s were there if it was at the start of the apocalypse I doubt the CRM would need the supply’s then or just didn’t care due to them being blinded by disgust for the soldiers who know but hey that’s just a theory a walking dead theory thanks for reading.
Not realistic at all but I don’t care it’s fun
nah the crm is dropping gas on civilians so i doubt it
Could've very well been CRM back in its early days. I'd like to think that during the firefight, CRM forces didn't want to deal with a prolonged siege, so they could've easily tossed some gas canisters in there and ended it relatively quickly. Not really caring one way or another about reanimation since they were locked up tight.
Another really interesting take, thanks for sharing it. Maybe a couple of holes, but less than the "proper" plots often had towards the end. Thanks for the content.
It always bugged me that they left so much behind or never went back. Food, medicine, firearms and ammo probably more just left there
Big fan of your environmental story telling. Excellent analysis and a great video!
You're a great storyteller! Another super engaging analysis!
Thanks so much!
Thanks!
Hey thanks so much! That’s very kind of you I appreciate it!
We always make the assumption they were allies against the dead- its possible with the intact lock they started firing on eachother long before the first one became a walker.
Speaking of Beta, any chance of a breakdown of that bar he stops in when he goes 'full moon' crazy? The note he picks up 'these two eyes see one truth' meant something else to someone else before he grabbed it
Interesting suggestion, I’ll definitely check it out!
I always hate when they leave supplies they can somehow get
I love these, keep them coming
As always very interesting, your theories and let me add I've often wondered myself The Walking Dead could have done it better in the sense, for example, all those boxes of supplies find another way to get them out. They needed them so odd they wouldn't find another way to get them out. I remember that scene. That's one thing I've always felt. They could have done it a little better. I think that's why it began to go downhill.
Brilliant video very much enjoying your content.
Thanks so much!
@Swell-Films I don't know if you haven't done it already. The hospital 🏥 scene from the fear tye walking dead. Where you see the police 🚔 and swat teams that'll be a good one to explore.
One thing i find interesting to see is others also noticing the "odd" use of the old woodland on these particular soldiers, especially since they are all kitted the same with no mixed patterns that i noticed. There was something about this season, compared to the rest of the franchise, that depicted soldier walkers wearing woodland uniforms and gear instead of ucp or the other styles that where made standard by 2010. I remember a scene later with Daryl running into an undead soldier wearing the woodland gear while out by himself in the day, and taking some supplies from it's pouches.
I know this has nothing to do with the topic, but I hate when characters just leave good places/resources when they could easy taken them. I mean, couldnt they make handcraft arrows and bows to take out the wakers from above? Maybe trow something as a distraction for them to gather in a same place and then beggin fire, it would take some time but its easy.
Always dumb plots in these kind of shows, just to keep the action going and the cashcow milked hard
I thought the same thing when I first saw this episode lots of gun's and unknown amount of ammo left behind enough mre to feed a small army for a year or two they didn't even at least gone back for those supplies later on.
There's so much worth cleaning that place out for. Just crazy. They got like a box of MREs.
Read my mind when i wasn't even thinking it owo
Keep 'em videos coming! :#
I’d like an episode on the hospital in episode 1. The military stuff left behind (almost like they had to leave in a hurry), the well laid out lines of bodies, the bodies in the truck, ect
You should do a breakdown of the time when the group visit the smithsonian museum to gather supplies in season 9 episode 1 to see how it ended up like it did
i binged watched all your. walking dead videos in two days by mistake. 😅
Love to hear it mate!
Keep these up super interesting and what made me like and sub, few ideas maybe ?
.The military helicopter on the roof in season 4
.The riot police walkers at the prison
Also maybe who Alex was before the outbreak, she had extensive knowledge of the walkers for a survivor so early on, certainly an interesting subject
Keep up the great work 👍
Awww, Man, I love your channel! ❤ These videos are so good. I keep saying you are keeping "the dead, alive"... Had to weigh in on this specific part of the story though, as I've only re-watched the start of S11 recently. I'll pretty much forgive TWD anything, as I absolutely bloody love the TV series, but this part really got me. Why, why, WHY, did nobody, lower themselves into this base quietly and spend 15 minutes "knife slotting walker heads" in a logical fashion, to clear that entire area, while the stinky, rotten barstards were all "asleep" !!!???? It was so obviously the easiest way to literally take over the base, then rummage through what was there in an orderly fashion. AR-15's, ammunition, rations/food and plenty of other stuff was there for the taking, with very little risk and the whole thing turned into a shit-show!
Exactly. Our survivors are more than capable of dealing with walkers at this point, this scene would’ve fit better if it was in like season 4 or something
@@Swell-Films Yes! There is virtually nothing in 11 Seasons that struck me like this, as to why our main characters didn't do something so obvious, which would have yielded so much of a benefit for them, especially as you pointed out, that Alexandria was really in trouble at that time as well.
@@DavidEdge69 it’s funny because they literally do that later the same episode with the subway tunnel walkers in body bags
@@Swell-Films That makes it even worse!!! The only thing they got out of that tunnel was wet feet!!
You probably put 10 times the thought and effort into these analysis vids than the show runners put into the later seasons
Your theory involving disillusioned personnel is good and gave me cause to found my own theory;
What's one of the many plot devices in a Zombie film that is great at causing irrational thinking, leading to a downfall? Getting bit and knowing full well what is the consequence for that.
Z Day: Law Enforcement across the US begin to cripple under the escalating number of 911 calls reporting "Civil Disorder" (Be that Infected attacking or Looters taking the opportunity to help themselves), Governors across the US, either of their own accord or at the recommendation of Police Officials and Civil Advisors, put out a call to the National Guard and the Military.
Thus, the personnel of Fort Connors is mobilised; at first, it looks like they're winning but more Civilians and First Responders are falling and turning meaning the order is given to fall back to the Fort. Several say "No, sir, f**k you, sir!" and go AWOL but those who either have no family living (or at least in the immediate area outside the base) or those who have resorted to the mindset of "I have a duty to perform and I will do it in the name of America!" obey and fall back to the base.
During the stand-off or the retreat, one Soldier, let's call him Private Kowalski, gets accidentally bit; immediately, young Kowalski begins to panic because we're either at the stage where it's been officially ordered anyone recently bit is to be terminated, NO exceptions, or it is just a rumour circulating the Rank and File. Desperately, Kowalski covers his wound and either passes it off as a cut or says nothing at all.
Eventually, the order is given to hold up in the hangar and everyone does so; during this, Kowalski starts feeling hot and can't stop shaking, he's coughing violently and is that blood in his mucus? He slinks away into a corner and, in all the hubbub of Officers desperately wondering what to do because they either haven't received orders from Washington or the signal is too patchy for them to coherently understand them, NCOs trying to keep up morale by barking out orders such as "CHECK THE BARRICADES, EVEN IF YOU JUST CHECKED THEM!" and Privates yelling at each other to shut up so they can hear the static riddled reports from a AM/FM radio, turns into a Walker.
Later, another Soldier, who we'll call Corporal Addams, notices Kowalski is huddled in a corner, moaning slightly. He approaches the young Private and Hell breaks loose...
Sorry for the long read....
Honestly I think that’s just as plausible. With so little information given pretty much any theory is possible
You should do that military outpost in Atlanta in season 5 of twd
That's a really good environ story, we likes it
I have two guesses. one is that they died from wounds. the other, which I find more interesting, is that they ran out of water and died of dehydration while being locked in the building, because you need water for the mre and you'd die faster with no water than with no food. the damage to the building was probably caused by time and weather, because it was on a corner and didn't compromise the structure at all, and we've seen what weather did to places like the museum when it stopped being maintained. the padlock was probably the idea of one of the last soldiers still conscious, who saw their inevitable death and locked themselves to leave supplies for anyone who decided to loot it, since it would be near impossible to open it from the other side of the door without making noise and hearing the walkers on the other side before having it open (unless they shot the hinges but that's dumb to do)
I think this interpretation is almost perfect. But one part that you maybe missed was the chunk missing from the hanger in the very tired torture of the video. I don’t think a tank would have shot that since the tank shown is a m1a1 Abram’s. These tanks shoot large metal sharp rods that are suppose to go through tanks. Sure there is high explosive rounds but I think maybe that would have done significantly more damage to the building. Either than that I think your spot on, great video Ty!
Just want to recommend the one from season 3 the grocery store where there is a helicopter at the top and zombies
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Thanks mate! I’m doing great how’re you today?
@@Swell-Films i have the day off and you uploaded i think you know how good this day’s going😂
I find it more funny their uniforms change to the current uniform later in the season despite being the older digital camo in the older seasons.
Leaving all the weapons and other supplies has always been a movie flaw
I think it would be more realistic if this happened while everyone was sleeping, The padlock could be from someone inside purposefully sacrificing the group to prevent the spread, possibly having been bitten and knowing they would die anyway. Asphyxiation or poisoning could also be interesting but seeing as some people fought back I find it unlikely.
I also feel like some of the damage on the buildings could have been caused by lack of care and degrade, since everyone was dead there was no way to repair the buildings and over time the material would decay, it happens to many buildings, especially in terrible weather with Wood being known to degrade when exposed to too much water being a famous example.
One of the issues I have with this is they had to leave some supplies behind as they couldn't carry it all. If the food rations were left untouched like that, it's rational to assume that the base's armory and other supplies would be left untouched to some extent. Seems like a waste to just leave with what you could get and not come back.
Due to the soldiers wearing the older M81 camouflage and the presence of a tank on base, it seems like Fort Connors was Army National Guard. With how long the hair of some of the troops are, it seems like they potentially survived months into the apocalypse. Maybe the supply area was locked off to force rationing under the orders of some high ranked officer and the hanger was just a general gathering area. Perhaps after coming back from a mission, some guardsmen came back unknowing they were bitten, died in their sleep, and came back, catching their comrades off guard. Maybe the two supply guards simply got shot through the walls?
They could have sorted the horde by making a chokepoint in the hallway, but I don't think its that far fetched to believe they could have left such place in a hurry without trying more, I think they were panicked and considering the sensitivity of the situation including the starvation, the whisperers, there was probably low morale, low motivation to risk your life, and low energy.
At 6:33 at the top of the screen, just to the left of the flag and right of the door is a stack of climbable crates.
Why no soldier thought to use that, or any of the other numerous tall objects, as a defensive point and shoot/bayonet any of the walkers seems a little silly.
In basic we got taught to use everything to our advantage, so I know someone would attempt that.
If I had to guess what happened, the group locked themselves in, in an effort to prevent the dead from getting in.
At some point a fight broke out, likely between two factions over what to do. With tensions high, morale low, and weapons at hands a firefight quickly broke out.
We see there are bullet holes in the walls, but don’t see how the two quartermasters died. Perhaps stray fire killed them.
Anyways the firefight between soldiers would explain why no one went for higher ground. Perhaps after tensions settled the dead soldiers came back to life and massacred the rest, hence why we see cold bodies and mutilated ones.
Frankly the lock on the door is a big WTF. Why lock themselves in? It would have made much more sense if it was on the other side of the door.
Love these videos
They always give up on things when walkers are easy to kill. You just have to strategize and create a system or process to slowly take them out one by one. Sure it may be slow but the rewards for the work are plenty.
9:55
No no no.
Clearly what happened is the solider put something in the food.
Everyone was gathered around a pot of stew or boiled meat.
So the solider put some kind of tasteless house hold chemical in the food.
Then he sat back eating his MRE.
When people started getting poisoned he left.
Locking the door behind him.
Another banger
Maybe the soldiers decided to takem themselves out as the outside was overunned. They could have low ammo, and some of them shot themselves in the head (explaining half of the corpses not transforming) and the rest using cyanide pills they could have. They could have also been trapped inside and slowlly began to die from dehydration and some of them opten out shooting thelselves or something like that.
can you cover the prison? ive always wondered what happened there, especially with the dead guards, civilians in the court yard, exploded part of the building in the back (but no other damage, so def not cobalt), the flipped bus, and other suspicious things, like the prisoners story about the one guard who ran off.
I believe the two guys in the store room died of thirst after locking themselves in (lots of MRE’s and basic supplies but no water cause they wouldn’t have a need for it on a base in the states). For why they’re so many soldiers in the hanger I think they likely retreated into the hanger after the fences were overrun, some likely had been bitten and turned causing chaos where now the dead in identical uniforms as the living began fighting like described in the video.
Maybe next time about environment twd edition, we can talk about the High School FEMA camp where both Shane and Otis taking supplies for Carl's medicine and as you can see, there's so many zombified soldier (and possibly police officer and doctors) if you don't mind it
Good scenario. I never really gave it any thought as to what happened. I never understood why all the stuff was left behind. Clearing out that hangar would be a walk in the park for the crew. Other thing I always wondered. Was the helo that crashed in Walk With Me and if after the base fell, the soldiers The Governor dispatched were survivors from it.
One soldier just ONE simply snapped from the deteriorating mental health issues and killed a couple or even a few of his comrades and if it was indeed early the resulting chaos in such a limited area was all it took.
Not to mention anyone left alive, also, were gunning for the military as well! The governor and many others like him or almost like him.
If you actually look at the shot you have of the horde starting to rise up. @6:32 by the three barrels and the second to right most body on the ground looks like a women in a dress.
I think there were some civilians in the hanger, as I think what happened is the base was overrun early on, the military bombed it in an attempt to destroy the horde. Survivors sought refuge in the hanger only to realize some of their number had been bitten and accelerated turning. The door has already been padlocked by a security detail before hand hence the door lock. The soldiers simply did not have time to try and break it
The two men, Bros, buds or just grunts were assigned guard duty over the food cache. Where I think it can imply maybe they each killed each other thinking the other was going to betray them and steal the food
I'd like to think that there were eventually plans by the group to return and finish the job and gather the rest of the resources. But then the whole Reapers, then Commonwealth takeover pretty much put the kibosh on that.
While i stopped watching long ago it amazes me the amount of effort they go to for certain elements i didn't even know Virginia had its own State Defense Force till today
I think the opposite is true I think the base lasted longer not shorter due to the uniforms being older retired uniforms by the time of the outbreak. The M81 was retired in 2005 and it would make sense that the base held on for so long that they had the start handing out older uniforms to replace the ones being damaged or they where airforce personnel which would have still been using it at that time. And that it could also be that they where using the hanger as a makeshift barracks and someone died in there sleep and turned while everyone was sleeping and the two in the back where supposed to be the watch that night and where instead in the back. And the lock some one put on it when they where fighting back to make sure that none got out if they failed to contain it.
I can’t wait for Humbug's Gulch, Greenville facility, ones who live ep4. I always thought. This one is pretty easy. There was some sort of conflict within. Feels like a plan ambush. That went completely wrong. Double cross from somebody. Who didn’t like the way things were run. It seems more than likely. Some of the soldiers weren’t comfortable. With not doing everything they could to help the people on the outside. If I had to guess. Based on what we see. But some of the other soldiers were more comfortable. With looking out for themselves. Thus you have a conflict. Good soldiers versus bad soldiers. With civilians stuck in the middle. This is just my theory before I watch the video. Probably soldiers feeling guilty over operation cobalt. Decide to take out the soldiers. They feel responsible. To make up for what they did. 12:03 looks like we’re on the same wavelink. I think it’s possible that a reclamation team. From the CRM. Probably could’ve made that hole in the building. We see them do a similar thing. 5:30 I know we never see this, but there might be tons of walkers in the city to. That would be attracted to all the noise and gunfire. The city looks absolutely destroyed. So that could be more walkers anywhere. Tons more. I feel pretty certain the outside of the city must be a CRM reclamation team. just makes sense based on Rick told Michonne’s
I think a crm reclamation team is an interesting theory, I saw another comment mention it could’ve been from a gas attack but it’s hard to tell as the CRM would have more than likely looted that place like crazy
@@Swell-Films they never loot, Texas. Or hunt down, The rogue soldier. Maybe there’s just some things that they deem. Not worth it. The way major general bill, talks with Rick during his fight. Makes me think that there’s certain things they probably will let go. Until they get more Intel. Which goes back to what I said earlier. We never see it. But maybe the city is too overrun. Most cities, were,overrun. you could’ve been anywhere. Is what he said, you were dead to us. Unless he met something else by that.
@@Swell-Films interesting they didn’t loot Texas. Or search for the rogue soldier. They also don’t, loot ned colony. After destroying it. I think there are certain situations where they just don’t do it. They just label the area as uninhabitable. Like we see in the opening theme. For the ones who live. I feel like pretty much for sure they didn’t loot. Ned, colony. Or Michonne, and Ned. For sure, would’ve been dead if they did? As they were in, no position to fight back. I think it’s simply that they have to clear a area. Before they loot, it. Thus, the guys that come back in red. That come back covered in blood.. that nobody knows what they do
@@Swell-Films they also don’t loot, Texas. Or search for the rogue soldier.. they also don’t loot Ned colony. I think they have to clear a area. Before they loot it. Otherwise, michonne, and ned. Would’ve been killed before they had a chance to recover. Like we see on the map. I think they deem some places uninhabitable.
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I would love to see an environmental storytelling from The Ones Who Live. The soldier that Rick found when he was setting up the escape for Michonne. The body with a bag of canned food and the sentence written, “I’m sorry. Tell them that I lied.” Or something like that. I know there’s really not a lot of context for it, so there wouldn’t be enough for a video. But I always wondered about that body and what they wrote.
I think the Fort Connors exterior simply got overrun by walkers, those in the hanger as a result took shelter there, eventually, someone would turn to a walker causing chaos in the hanger while the two that are in the storage room either the remaining two soldiers shot each other as trying to survive with the most amount of supplies or both ended their lives given that at the time there would be no way out with the hoard of walkers both inside and outside the hanger.
the soldiers locked themselves in so that no zombies would get out, maybe some of them got bit or wounded while retreating, i know some military wont leave comrades behind, maybe thats why they became overwhelmed
I never understood why the army used napalm instead of nerve gas. If the zombies moan then they breathe, right?
Realistically, yes, you could use nerve gas or thermobaric bombs to great effect. Unfortunately the Wildfire Virus is anything but realistic so the Walkers would just ignore it I guess?
Thinking about fear the walking dead, I think some soldiers wanted to abandon their post and go home to their family's. The CO had the doors locked and ordered them to stay..they still had a job. A fight broke out and the shooting started. All died and this was right in the beginning of the outbreak.
But your versions are much better.
What I didn't get about that scene, is that they could have systematically and stealthily go around and kill all the walkers in the base, then they could have easily collected all the supplies they would have needed
Stabbing to a walker skull do make a sound. Even it is extremely quiet, the hanger is so silent that it could well be a massive echo in the hanger. Loud enough to alert the sleeping walkers or any disturbance that makes them growl or moan like Daryl blood drop did and cause a chain reaction.
I think the writers thought this would be cool. To many questions in this one: how did zombies knock out a tank, why did so many soldiers have long hair, why are the doors lock on the inside, why not go back for the supplies. After I watched episode, I really tried to figure this out, but I think it's a mystery box.
I figured someone was bit outside the hanger and ran inside and locked himself in with everyone else.
I’m guessing they slept in the hangar and the door was locked because of food rationing.
No matter how plenty the food, during crisis there will always be rationed.
The door would’ve been locked on the inside rather than the “supply side” because else, these 2 guard could just lock all the other guys up and leave with all the supplies.
Probably a officer inside of the hangar was carrying the key, and would rotate guys guarding the supplyroom.
Something went wrong inside the hangar tho, someone reanimated and chaos ensued.
No idea what happened to the guards tho but they did not die in a “comfortable pose”.
Been waiting for this one, was always wondering what the hell happened.
MRE's go bad after five years at optimal temperature, which could be why they only found a few too take with them.
Kinda weird that walkers go dormant from lack of food when they can’t even digest food in the first place. They’re organs don’t work.
Everything about walkers doesn’t really make sense tbh, they shouldn’t be able to make sound without functioning lungs either but they do
The thing is the military did not how to fight the reanimated dead. They would sent squads in a building that they knew had dead in them. It was like wasting lives for nothing.
Reminded me of that game of thrones battle episode they actually said maby you should turn up the brightness on your tv lol
the soldiers apparently had everything they needed to survive the end of the old world, except the most important - luck. whatever happened, it ended quickly and bloody. (as for the flaws in the script of the last two seasons, let's not forget that they were already preparing to end the show.. with all the consequences of that haste.) 😊