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@@youareacoward8459 Bruce Lee wasn't the "best." Not when compared to former Navy SEALs like Jonny Kim, retired Green Beret Tu Lam of Ronin Tactics or Korean War hero, Col. Kurt Chew Een Lee. Bruce Lee got obsessed with MA because he was interested in self defense. The streets aren't competition. When he started getting famous in Hong Kong and had to deal with psychos, stalkers and street thugs with a chip on their shoulders, he began carrying a pistol and knife hidden in a belt buckle because in real life if you fight fair, your tactics suck. Competition is great but it proves nothing in real life. As the former Southern Raza, Dubs, said on his channel, MMA guys won't fare will in prison because if they diss someone, the gangs will send multiple hitters armed with shanks to take him out.
@@LIbertyorDeath419 I just said that he did not compete. I can fight hundreds of street thugs, one-on-one random fights, and even take on three regular dudes simultaneously, but not one professional MMA fighter.
@@HardHardMaster Lee's triad buddy who competed in SE Asian Kickboxing champion matches said otherwise. Also, Champion Judoka Hayward Nishioka attested to Lee's lightning fast and powerful strikes but said it was his groundgame that was weak.
All I can say is that the actual fighters of Bruce Lee's time, including Chuck Norris, who was a real fighter, said that NOBODY could beat Bruce Lee DURING HIS TIME.
Chuck Norris specifically said when asked how Bruce would fare in a karate match with him he said he would beat Bruce pretty easily. He said he was way bigger than him as one of the reasons.
Back in those days, it was point tournaments. I don’t consider Norris, Lewis, Stone to be fighters in comparison to today’s MMA guys. That’s not to say they’re not good martial artists. To me, those tournaments are a joke.
I wish he was still alive. I remember how devastated I was when I was a kid, to find out he already died before I was born. Since I really wanted to meet him.
Besides not wanting to be limited and restricted by the rules of combat sports, it was really a matter of economics for Bruce. He made waaaay more money doing films than he would have as a pro competitor.
@@HardHardMasterhe understood real fight dynamics training with real martial artists and fighters lol. Try to train like how he did and you would know. Thousand upon thousand of reps per day
@@HardHardMaster yes the only person who can punch candles in the world is you, siddified. Siddified comes home to a candlelit room set up by his husband and begins to punch every candle out😂
@@HardHardMaster Oh look the guy who keeps spamming the chat due to his hatred of Bruce. Looks like you have an ego problem and pure jealousy of Bruce. You'll never be as great as Bruce, you're nothing. Deal with that
I was a huge Bruce Lee fan growing up, one of the first books I read was his biography. Now that I am an adult and have actually fought, I read these comments with the same suspension of disbelief as when I watch action movies. I wonder how many of the people commenting actually have experience fighting against professional fighters.
Same suspension of disbelief is given to professional fighters. How well would they do in a fight for their life? Also, sport fighting was much different back then. Scoring points were more important than actual martial combat skill. Even today, martial combat skill in sport fighting is as close as you can get, safely, to the real thing... but a real fight is not a sport fight. Fighting on the street against some drunk guy is not the same as fighting for your life against an enemy trying to kill you.
It seems to me that Bruce was Moore concerned with improving his technical skills than beating people for the fun of it constantly critiquing himself rather than boasting how he beat someone
@@HardHardMaster when? According to who? Where did you get this information from? This isn’t true. Bruce didn’t go around “bragging”. Yes, he said things to this effect once or twice when interviewed or among friends. But he most definitely didn’t go around bragging. There seems to be this idea Bruce Lee was the person Tarantino said he was when he wasn’t. Have you ever actually watched any documentary’s about him? Read any books? And who exactly was he supposed to fight? I guess you believe he went around to random dojo’s “challenging” people to fight right? 🤦♂️ unbelievable. I don’t get the angle you guys keep coming at this from. He didn’t care about sport. He didn’t compete in sport. He got into martial arts purely from a self defence perspective , meaning real world scenarios, people who have weapons, multiple opponents, etc. “Claimed he could beat anyone and never did” what, in sport? “If I tell you I'm good, probably you will say I'm boasting. But if I tell you I'm not good, you'll know I'm lying.” - Bruce Lee The evidence points towards him putting people “pro” “champions” in their place in a friendly way, without having to resort to full on fighting, this is what Bruce was known to do. He would only ever fight when pushed or provoked. So he was supposed to just start random fights with people in the streets? All these “pros” learnt from him. Most of them were bested in sparring behind closed doors. There’s no reason for a supposed “pro” to train with an “actor” who can’t fight. Think about it logically. What do you think happens to these guys to make them want to take lessons? Watch John Little interviews on the Kung fu genius channel. Or buy wrath of the dragon: the real fights of Bruce Lee by John Little. I see comments like yours all the time and they either don’t make sense or people have the wrong idea about what Bruce’s goals were and what sort of person he actually was. If he was all talk, none of you would be even talking about him today. People like you are on every single Bruce Lee video saying he wasn’t this, he wasn’t that, he never backed up what he said. If he was no good nobody today would even be talking about him. And yet, for someone who was supposedly a fake or a “myth” none of you can stop talking to him. You are fixated or trying to disprove the legitimacy of someone who is undeniably the most renowned martial artist of the last century, and was quite clearly the real deal. Hence, why people like you can’t stop slandering him on every video.
"Bruce was Moore concerned with improving his technical skills than beating people for the fun of it constantly critiquing himself rather than boasting how he beat someone" He was, but also he was constantly running his mouth about how he could beat any man. He just never put himself out there to prove it.
@@HardHardMaster "he absolutely did." At most he fought one guy, and from the looks of it he didn't really even win that. There's no proof of him fighting anyone else in a "real world" or "competitive" setting. No real fights, no full contact matches, no point-fighting tournaments, nothing. Except Wong Jack Man said they had a private grudge match once, and Bruce's story of how that went is very suspicious.
There's no mystery to this at all. No experts or scholars are debating this. Bruce Lee didn't compete for two reasons. One...Competition wasn't his thing - he did movies and training. Two...his reputation was so inflated that any result short of beating everybody without taking a single hit would have damaged him. He had nothing to gain and a lot to lose.
You're trying to say he wasn't that good. Haha. Adorable. Sent a man 50 pounds heavier than him flying with a 1 inch punch. And that's just 1 thing he did. Everyone who has ever known Bruce Lee has said he's untouchable. But you know better than them.
You're thinking with modern MMA logic. He would have only been damaged had he lost. Back then his rep wasn't even half the size it is now. That's not to say he wasn't big but it was one of those things within the martial arts circles. ALL of the martial artists knew or knew "of" each other so discrediting him would have only killed JKD but he would have kept doing movies. Martial arts fandom back then was not like today so they wouldn't have looked at him as overrated or anything because MAs were still new to the west and people hadn't fully acclimated to it like we have. Everything was still unbelievably believable! lol Bullshido was everywhere! And it was the very reason he started JKD in the first place: to kill Bullshido.
@@hugejackedman3447 "You're thinking with modern MMA logic." There's nothing unique to modern MMA about this. If a guy has a reputation for being untouchable and he gets in the ring, he's not going to improve on that rep, but he could easily lose it. "Back then his rep wasn't even half the size it is now." His movies basically brought the genre over here, and his presentation of Asian martial arts changed how we thought about fighting. He had a huge influence even in his own time. I don't think you're going to disagree, so I'll stop there. "Martial arts fandom back then was not like today" Sure it was! It was just more about things like Boxing. Fighters like Joe Lewis started bringing Asian martial arts (in his case, Karate) into the ring, which got the public's attention because it looked like Boxing. Bruce Lee could have done that. Gene Lebell fought Milo Savage in an MMA ("Judo Versus Boxing") match in like 1964 or something. Bruce Lee could have done something like that. I'm saying, man, he could have if he wanted to, especially with his star power. People would've watched Bruce Lee from the movies try his Kung Fu martial arts skills out in the ring. He didn't because - and I'm not blaming him for this - it could only have hurt his reputation and career. He had an unrealistic image that would have been shattered even if he did pretty well in the ring. Anything less than total invincibility would have chipped away at his rep.
@@muhammadsteinberg an actor that moved so fast his fight scenes had to be shot in slow motion because it looked fake. Please do 5 minutes of research.
So an actual gold medalist who studied and probably sparred him, tells the world: bruce was untouchable and could win any tournament. And a bunch of casuals who never set foot in a ring can make a video discrediting that. Sheesh what a time we live in.
_"So an actual gold medalist who studied and probably sparred him, tells the world: bruce was untouchable and could win any tournament."_ *"And probably sparred him"* *"tells the world: bruce was untouchable and could win any tournament"* *Nope, nothing fishy here people. Move along now. No asking questions....*
@@ExMachina70 i was talking about jim kelly, a man highly respected in the martial arts community. Ive seen several interviews (youtube) where his face lights up about how good bruce was. Jim has probably sparred countless people, you dont gush about someone if they arent THAT good. Hes never out right said if he sparred bruce, because ive never seen him directly asked, but he insinuates. Chuck norris is another one who trained with bruce and claimed, he would do well in MMA if it was around back in his time. Bruce also sparred kareem abdul jabbar and said kareem was to slow and could not touch me.
I admit that the man was strong but since again he didn't fight in MMA or other stand-up Arts we can't say that he would have been a champion. Yes fighters in the past said that he was very good but even Fighters today we see say the other Fighters are good but in the end those guys don't become champions. These are all words and all and we need facts and results and we just don't have it with Bruce Lee when it comes to fighting other professional fighters over and over again
@@vindigga6 I mean, if it tickles your nuts to think that Bruce was bigger than the movies he made, then be happy with it, but in the interviews with Chuck Norris, I've only seen him steer clear of talking about Bruces abilities to fight. Chuck knew he could destroy Bruce Lee, but didn't want to bash him.
@@Danny-mg1hu Thats all a fair and reasonable arguement, which i appreciate. My problem is how people bring this stuff up, like bruce was a scrub because he never competed in world tournaments. Also I dont know if bruce would be a world champion in multiple disciplines, i dont think anyone has made claims like that. But i do think he would be incredibly formidible. I believe before his death he was heavily researching grappling/wrestling. Back then MMA was obviously not a thing, but imo i think he would have easily made a the transition. Another thing bruce didnt compete in world tournaments but did have notable matches (google): Inter-school boxing In 1958, Lee won an inter-school boxing competition by defeating three-time champion Gary Elms. Japanese Karate Black Belt After moving to the United States, Lee defeated Japanese Karate Black Belt Yoichi Nakachi in under 11 seconds. Kung-Fu master Lee's final competitive fight was against Kung-Fu master Wong Jack Man, and though Lee won, he was left winded and disappointed with his performance. Stuntmen Lee was known to fight stuntmen on some of his sets in Hong Kong, but he never started the fights, and they were usually over within 20 seconds. And again jim kelly , is known as one of the worlds most decorated karate martial artists. They trained together and im sure they sparred, again im taking that mans word over 90 percent of the population. Jim says it pretty confidently, he thinks bruce would do very well n tournaments. If you havent go youtube the video yourself, hearing his ton and the way he gushes about bruce is pretty eye opening.
I'm 62. I was 11 when Bruce Lee past away. I saw his movies and I had my hero. I cried when he passed away. I never forgot the things he said what he said about self defense. He was and always will be a legend. Not because he is gone. It is because what left was true. He was true to himself and his Art. That is very rare now. I knew as kid he would not want me to cry, but I understood what we lost. A man true to himself, true to what he believed in, and true to his Art. It is so rare to find a person like this in life.
I don't really understand this. But, it's difficult to imagine someone as a martial art champion who never got combat punched. Surviving a punch is over half of what it takes to be combat sports champion. Ballet dancers have good training, stamina, philosophy, techniques, .... too.
Bruce was more experienced in street fights than sport fights. Surely getting hit in the face is partly why he adapted JKD. He sparred with lacrosse/hockey protective gear so they could go full contact. Point competitions don't require as protective of gear because they don't expect to get hit full force.
Agreed. I have long thought the same thing! Chuck Norris was a actual champion. Its one thing to do it in the movies another in actual competition. I think when people we really like die early they are often lionized. IMO.
@Manofwar7 and like wise you people hate on people others like just to try to be different and act like your opinion is better than anyone else some famous people are overhyped obviously but not all great example of this would be like the rapper Eminem its more popular to hate on them these days just cause others think there great and in reality when it comes to Bruce most of us dont know sht to even comment on it you weren't there and i wasn't there
He's the reason I got into martial arts did taekwondo for years and got into MMA and now I'm getting old and doing jujitsu and still love every bit of it because of this one man Bruce Lee!!!!!👍👍👍
@@jagger_claw I don't know about that would you like to go around or two we can see how much time I wasted 😁 stand up ground game or we can mix both it 👍👍
@@jagger_claw I've also wasted a lot of time skydiving scuba diving mountain climbing spent a year in Vietnam halfway across the world yeah I've lived a pretty boring life with a lot of time wasted 🤣🤣
It's well elaborated in Lee's own writings. Any fighting sport competition has rules which make it unrealistic. You might say the eye jab is the very first technique in the JKD repertoire, but that would be immediately disqualifying in any competition. More practically, Lee had long term Hollywood aspirations, so perhaps the risk of a competition career limiting injury would have limited his acting priorities.
There are many people who don’t consider him the greatest. He was too small to be great. Michael Jai White said BL could run across the street and punch him, he wouldn’t feel it. Bruce simply wasn’t that good a fighter. He was a movie star.
@@williamunderhill846 say that to mighty mouse. Mighty mouse is 5'3 and he's a monster. One of the most skilled fighters to walk this planet. Size and skills aren't related. You train and move around according to your size but that's it. Also Michel jai is a monster. He even impressed Jon Jones. Bruce was one of the first known people to combine different martial arts and train to be the most effective. It's like saying why wouldn't an mma fighter fight a boxer in the ring. Simple because that's not his style of fighting and could limit their skills.
bruce lee is the biggest icon in martial arts history. he is similar to babe ruth in baseball, muhammad ali in boxing and elvis in music. bruce had undeniable skills, an incredible physique and an unmatched charisma that translated well to motion pictures. it's immaterial if he is the greatest fighter of all time. he is definitely the greatest martial artist of all time, just from his influence.
@@HardHardMaster he trained in kung fu. I don’t believe they use a belt system. My point is about ‘influence’. How many people became martial artists because they liked what Bruce Lee could do. Similar to Jimi Hendrix on guitar. I see him as the biggest icon of electric guitar playing more to his influence than his technical ability.
@@HardHardMaster I don’t get why you have such animosity toward Bruce Lee. Back in his day, he probably considered himself to be the world’s most elite fighter. Maybe he was, maybe he wasn’t. I have trained in Tae Kwon Do, Hapkido, and Shorin Ryu karate under 8th degree very highly skilled instructors in each of those disciplines. I don’t believe that any of those instructors would dismiss Bruce Lee’s skills as beginner level and someone who was unable to fight. True, Bruce was more of an action movie star and a self promoter than a traditional martial artist, but he was also maybe the first mixed martial artist and he deserves credit both for his achievements in film and for his martial arts prowess.
@@HardHardMaster Well he would fight in his weight class. Yes, people think Bruce Lee could beat up Mike Tyson and that is just ridiculous but the guy was extremely talented in martial arts. He is the most famous martial artist so he evidently did something right. Just like James Dean, he probably wouldn’t have near the fame if he didn’t die young.
Bruce Lee was a pioneer. He inspired many people and popularized martial arts. He was not an elite fighter and to say he would dominate in actual tournaments is stupid. He might win, he might lose, truth is we have no idea how he could take a hit or if he could handle the pressure
The truth is that anytime an objective and realistic approach about Bruce Lee's real skills is made, the inevitable conclusion is that the man was "seriously" skilled for real combat. Does not mean he would've won, but, had he decided to compete he would have been an opponent to take extra care if had to confronted. Denying Bruce Lee skills, like the latest wisdom promotes is as delusional as the super invincible fanboy view. Bruce Lee was "seriously" skilled for fighting and that's the truth, but was not an invincible man who would have defeated Mohamed Ali. Let's be realistic on both sides.
@@HardHardMaster Any serious and realistic analisis about Bruce Lee will always point to the conclusion that he was highly skilled to fight, exagerations of invincibility or win-lose irrealistic predictions apart. Claiming he was not able or up to a certain serious level for real combat is another irrealistic exageration, dressed up as the new current wisdom to subscribe, biased and simplistic Don't forget that the fact that he didn't compete does not prove at any moment that he wouldn't have been "more than able" and at the level, had he decided. It is actually not enough to corroborate anything at all, as much as it is pretended.
@@Ming1975 I agree with you. The only realistic thing that wouldn't be in his favour is the fact that he was not used at all to receive blows, cos he never competed, and that is considerably important to be honest. However that doesn't mean he couldn't fight (it's actually one of the most ridiculous things affirmed lately).....but the rest about him, if researched seriously, points all the way to the fact that he would have been more than just at the level, had he decided to fight pro. He would've perhaps not won as expected, but he for sure wouldnt have been the wimp many try to portrait. It is deeply ridiculous to believe that Bruce Lee couldn't fight...it's a huge nonsense, as much as to think he was a super god.
legends,in their own mind or not,are not foolish enough to compete. one loss in a tourney and " poof " no more legend.the whole world no longer sees them as superman, badass, and certainly the "legend " moniker is gone and the legend is back to the drawing board
"legends,in their own mind or not,are not foolish enough to compete. one loss in a tourney and " poof " no more legend." Ali was around in Bruce Lee's day. He was a legend. He competed. He was not undefeated, but retired and died and is still a legend. You're talking about self-proclaimed legends like Lee, not people like Ali who earned it.
@@rhlng "when did he "self-proclaim" he's a legend? You're making things up to put sb down." I don't even know who SB is. You mean Strong Bad? Because he is a self-proclaimed legend.
People who haven’t been in the situation where they are trained and in a tournament don’t understand. I was international champion twice in my martial art, and I loved sparring and training but I absolutely despised tournaments. I hated that we were trying to take each others heads off. It wasn’t fun, and I had no drive or want to hurt someone else, potentially seriously. At least in grappling martial arts you or they tap and it’s done. If you’re punching and kicking you’re basically trying to take their head off or hurt them so badly they won’t get up. It just felt awful to “win”.
@@HardHardMasterAh yes once in blue moon some guy dies in sport, don't people also die by tripping & falling. [more frequently too]🤣 As for Gung Fu as Bruce Lee himself put it "it's fancy jazz,it looks good but it doesn't work." "Let us put it this way 99% of the whole business of oriental self defense is boloney. It's fancy jazz, it looks good but it doesn't work." - Bruce Lee [saint paul dispatch 1968]
5:40 Supreme Grandmaster Joon Pyo Choi pretty much felt the same way, and he was dang near the singlehanded reason why Taekwondo is an Olympic event. But I think people miss the point when tournaments get criticized on this point. It doesn't make them useless, but rather just another limited tool in your overall training.
Anyone who doubts Bruce's skills should look at his training journals that were compiled in the book, Bruce Lee: The Art of Expressing The Human Body. He was way ahead of his time when it came to strength, cardiovascular endurance, flexibility, and speed training. Many of the people who constructed most of Bruce's training apparatus were interviewed for the book, and a lot of the prototypes that Bruce used are commonly used in martial arts training today. So when armchair warriors try to say that Bruce was just a "movie fighter", it's obvious that they've never looked at his training regimen, or the training programs that he designed for his students.
You're delusional if you actually believe that Bruce Lee is too dangerous to participate in bjj or judo where people snap their joints and get chocked unconcious if they don't tap out in time or in boxing or muay thai where people are knocked out and elbowed to the face.
I would change "would" to could. Other important points in the video are far better money and publicity through his movies than tournaments. Bad accidents can and do happen in strictly choreographed movie fights of any kind. Bruce Lee sure had the "adaptability" thing down perfectly per the video, he sure knew his Darwin: Charles Darwin: It is not the most intellectual of the species that survives; it is not the strongest that survives; but the species that survives is the one that is able best to adapt and adjust to the changing environment in which it finds itself.
@@brandonw1412 You obviously haven't a clue and this is not an argument. It's like an autopsy. You don't know what killed it, until it's dead. But then, this is how men get and are talked in to fights until every gun slinger is coming to town who wants to try the 'fastest' until he is dead, because he fought everyone that wants to try the 'fastest'. Eventually, you are too old to fight any more, so, keep mythologizing. Martial Artists, in the true sense of the word. Have nothing to prove. We do it, to stay alive, in hand to hand combat, against weapons. Our only proof, is we didn't die in combat and made it to a ripe old age, protecting our communities, our homes and ourselves. It's the only proof we need. Not jeers from a crowd bellowing we destroy the guy in front of us for gladiatorial games, bread and circuses.
I read an article in Penthouse magazine in 1983. Bruce Lee said points fighting is like swimming without water. When full contact started he was more concerned about his acting and image than fighting in tournaments. He knew if he fought in a ring he would get hit and it would be a fight. The image of Bruce Lee is that he’s always the superior. A fight in a ring, even if he won he would loose that invincibility. If it took him three rounds to win in real life how can he beat ten guys up in two minutes or less in his movies.
@@HardHardMasterThere is a huge difference from fighting for real and fighting for sport. Most "fighters" have never been in a real fight. They have been in sport fights. Most people who have been in street fights don't fight like their life depends on it because in most cases, just like sport fighting, it's not a life or death fight. In a real fight, someone dies at the end.
With Bruce's speed, timing and focus he would have dominated in point fighting tournaments. The power behind his blows would make any opponents in an open tournament VERY hesitant to engage and it would have been extremely difficult to score a point on him.
Bruce also felt that beating a champion could demoralize their students and cause more harm than good. Continued improvement no matter what the style should be an artist's goal. His critiquing abilities helped you understand the importance of a mind that controls your whole body. These were things that he taught me and winning is your mind taking control of your body and that is the only way to improve. Each style has an advantage and learning all of them was Bruce's goal.
Fake fighting as my brother called it.... and with only amateur boxing experience won grand champion in various point karate matches in the 80's. Lee would have done ok in mma at first. Then someone like Mighty Mouse would have dropped him on his head and showed him how things work. Of course we will never know buy my money would be on Demetrius.
@@DouglasGomesBueno-jw9lh He was quick enough to evade kicks and would get in the pocket. Hook to the liver or straight to the solar plexus. Can't "fight" if you can't breath and are doubled over. Wouldn't always work but he got a kick out of it. :)
@@DouglasGomesBueno-jw9lh Many mma fighters who have strong backgrounds in Judo, olympic boxing, wrestling and bjj are extremely competent. Point Karate.... not so much. Lyoto Machida may be the only exception.... and then there is Steven Segal (aikido) who is so deadly he is banned from mma. ;)
Bruce lee was magnificent in what he done. To him martial arts was a way of life , like Kung fu. It’s great that some well famous and well known martial arts people have respect for Bruce lee. Anyone saying negatives things about Bruce lee are just toxic jealous envious people that feel inferior to him ,in regards to what he achieved.
What you've said here is exactly the subliminal hidden reason of every buyer of the "new wisdom" about Bruce Lee not being a fighter. In the very depth, it is nothing but jealousy to his greatness and remarkable achievements. Well said.
@@HardHardMaster In reality, it is pseudo-historical revisionism supported by a sharp denialism of the most uncomfortable evidence towards realities such as the physical excellence that Bruce Lee achieved, through a remarkable training discipline. I understand that your cognitive dissonance rejects the uncomfortable aspects, denying them, because you feel supported within the new wisdom.
@@HardHardMaster In reality, it is pseudo-historical revisionism supported by a sharp denialism of the most uncomfortable evidence towards realities such as the physical excellence that Bruce Lee achieved, through a remarkable training discipline. The evidence about his physical achievements is overwhelmingly objective and more than enough to deduce that Bruce Lee was more than capable of real hand-to-hand combat. But I understand that your cognitive dissonance rejects the uncomfortable aspects, denying them, because you feel supported within the new wisdom.
@@HardHardMasterIn reality, it is pseudo-historical revisionism supported by a sharp denialism of the most uncomfortable evidence towards realities such as the physical excellence that Bruce Lee achieved, through a remarkable training discipline, The evidence about his physical achievements is overwhelmingly objective and more than enough to deduce that Bruce Lee was more than capable of real hand-to-hand combat. But I understand that your cognitive dissonance rejects the uncomfortable aspects, denying them, because you feel supported within the new wisdom.
@@HardHardMaster In reality, it is pseudo-historical revisionism supported by a sharp denialism of the most uncomfortable evidence towards realities such as the physical excellence that Bruce Lee achieved, through a remarkable training discipline, The evidence about his physical achievements is overwhelmingly objective and more than enough to deduce that Bruce Lee was more than capable of real hand-to-hand combat. But I understand that your cognitive dissonance rejects the uncomfortable aspects, denying them, because you feel supported within the new wisdom.
@@stevo62fulhe participated in plenty street fights. Credible is subjective. Bc he didn’t participate in organized fighting that was immensely restricted with what they allowed at the time doesn’t carry as much weight as it does today when much more is allowed. Kimbo slice was no more or less of a fighter in the octagon than he was as a street fighter.
@@moosebiggzify The old "tournaments have rules" excuse from a fanboy. There is no evidence of Bruce beating any credible street fighters. for all we know, you or I could beat these random unknowns he fought against. In fact all we know is some vague stories that he fought some random guys. We don't even know if he beat them. I'm not saying he didn't, but we have no idea what happened.
Most tournaments are not fights they are sports competitions with rules and regulations. Bruce Lee's philosophy was for real-life fighting situations. He would never subscribe to these unrealistic scenarios.
@@jagger_claw Yes he did, his own Tao of JKD specifically points out to be an effective fighter in any style of fighting art, 3 tools are indispensable; boxing, grappling, (he used the term wrestling) and footwork (at the time he was using fencing to develop his rapid foot movement)
@@tropicvibeHere's the letter written by Bruce Lee to Jerry Poteet after he tried to mix JKD with some other martial art! 'X' is Jeet Kune Do 'Y' is the style you will represent. To represent & teach 'Y' one should drill its members according to the preaching of 'Y'. This is the same with anyone who is qualified & has been approved to represent 'X'. To justify by interfusing 'X' & 'Y' is basically the denying of 'Y'....but still calling it 'Y'. A man as you put it, Is one who is able to stick to the road he has chosen. A garden of roses will yield roses, & a garden of violets will yield violets. - Bruce Lee [To Jerry Poteet] As you can see Lee was against mixing fine wine [JKD] with dirty water. [Other arts]
@siddified "Fencing develops quick footwork and flexibility, which leads to strength and endurance. Fencing footwork exercises are designed to train muscles to alternate between small steps and explosive movements".
@siddified Sorry, close but no cigar buddy. And I quote from several sports publications; "The primary benefit of fencing for self-defence is that it allows you to maintain a safe distance from your attacker while still being able to defend yourself. This is especially important in situations where physical contact with the attacker would be dangerous or impossible. Fencing also provides an opportunity to practice defensive strategies such as parrying and counter-attacking which are useful in real-life scenarios, be it armed or unarmed combat".
@@youngornitier Long after he is dead, Bruce Lee will continue to be admired and serve as a source of inspiration whereas Siddi won't even be remembered as an ignorant troll.
Thank you and I mean it, thank you Brother for keeping this man's life and legacy alive after all these years. You deserve an award for staying true to your convictions. Goldenbell Training is the best in lightning site on u-tube for truthism about the Master Bruce Lee.
There are several paths to becoming the greatest. Path No. 1 - Slog it out and let your body get beat up while winning/losing and retaining "titles". No. 2 - Fight for a short time and never be beaten. No. 3 - Creating the perception you are the greatest through demonstrations, and technical prowess. No 4. - No. 3 plus continue to inspire others and enhance your perception through other mediums (movies, and coaching). Bruce Lee chose his path - a path of inspiration, training, teaching others, choreographing fight scenes and demonstrating his athletic and martial arts prowess. Was he the best fighter? We don't know. Was he an exemplar in his time? Yes. Was he ahead of his time? Of course.
Lee was a martial artist buddy, he had no interest in swimming in pools. [sport fighting] he actually wanted to swim in the sea with the waves & sharks. [real fighting]
Bruce Lee believed in REAL combat NOT tournaments. Joe Lewis karate champion said Lee could hit like a heavy weight..! Jim Kelly karate champion said - " Bruce Lee was untouchable!" Lee was 145 lbs only.. he was human lighting NO doubt! 🪙🪙🪙🪙🪙
He passed unfortunately in 1973 The fact that we’re discussing a fake, and just an actor by some critics as pertaining to his skill set is amusing, because if one does an internet search on who is considered a great all time martial artists. He’s always number 1, or in the top 10. Maybe all these people who voted for a GOAT were on LSD. U think?
Bruce Lee emphasized real combat for JKD life or death situations, but you have to remember that Bruce Lee also supported tournament fights as well. He just didnt support point sparring, but he was incredibly supportive of ideas like kickboxing or MMA. He wanted JKD to do well in high level competitions.
@@HardHardMaster he did not base JKD on point sparring. Literally kickboxing in 1970 first full contact fight ever was Joe Lewis using Bruce Lee's JKD.
@@jkdfighter4964 Bruce Lee s student clearly said Lee attended tournaments to watch their mistakes and he demonstrated his JKD with FULL GEAR equipment. He did NOT believe in high kicks he did that sometimes to thrill the crowd only and in filming.. even after 50 years NO one can match his skills.. he enjoyed Thai fighters and there is enough proof TKD fighters LOST to thai fighters.. it is on RUclips that kick boxers KOd taekwondo TKD fighters !!
Hey great video. I learned more knowledge about Bruce more than ever on this channel. Jun fan JKD was my first martial art I trained in and I have inspiration on becoming a certified instructor in JDK and overall a better martial artist.
@@HardHardMaster okay any suggestions on the best way to go? Hopefully we all helping each other to be better martial artists than just pointless comments.
I don't want to sound like I'm bashing Bruce Lee but I was once a huge fan. I read books written by him and about him. His one-inch punch is just a push done more to demonstrate the power of putting your hip into your punching. Many of the techniques Bruce laid out in his books for certain situations aren't the best moves. Other martial arts have better techniques to use in the same situation. As for full-contact tournament fighting, I believe Bruce feared losing the invincibility of his movie persona. He had a huge ego and a short temper. People tend to forget that he choreographed his fight scenes, making his character seemingly superhuman and unbeatable. If he were to lose a real fight or win with difficulty it would tarnish that movie mystique. This is why I have more respect for Chuck Norris. He proved himself in the ring. He fought professionally.
@@james1795 What is your favourite real fight of Bruce that you have seen ?? Don't forget to reply or it will look like you are the one that needs to grow up.
Look, Bruce Lee was just an actor, not a fighter. He had talent for martial arts and the wisdom to try to merge and adapt them and their most effective techniques to his own style and to a better fighting system. But he never competed. Thus, those theories couldn't be put to the test ever. What is really tested is real mixed martial arts, proven in combat. If Bruce Lee is a legend is because all the films and youthful death. He was a martial artist, not a fighter. Coreographies are not fights.
@@RichardVemvillveta Well Jim Kelly just said he was untouchable, he might not have been a "fighter" but he could still fight. I think Chuck Norris said he only beat him once.
He didn't compete in karate, bjj, muay thai, boxing, wrestling, judo or literally any of the other contemporary martial arts competitions of the day. His priority was on education and film, and not on fighting.
He didn't consider any of them to be martial arts to begin with, martial means war so martial art means "the art of war." Lee was a martial artist & he had no interest in playing silly games with rules & regulations. [sport fighting]
Bruce literally trained and trained with the best competitors and champions of the time. They all were aware and vocal about his abilities. People nowadays dont realize how little exposure and low popularity martial arts competitions were. Nothing compared to main stream UFC, video games, and movies today. Bruce knew he could beat any of the top fighters of the day but there was no progress with that. He wanted to show the world about China and martial arts. Only media could do that. In order to do showcase that and still progress as a human through mental and physical exercise, he chose to pass on those tournaments which didnt really reflect real life combat. People who say he was an actor or artist is clueless of his power and skills. There is NO ONE to this day that moves like Bruce or has his same functional strength pound for pound. He did everything by himself as well. All the writing, movies, exhibitions, training, productions. People forget how hard it was to get simple things done in those days without cell phones and internet. Things took time. This man never slept and used every second to showcase his ability. He is the greatest physical specimen that ever lived in my opinion. No fancy equipment, enhancing drugs, trainers, etc. Just insane dedication and discipline. Dont ever disrespect the truest grandmaster.
Great video! All karate tournaments in the USA during the sixties were Point Sparring completions. You had to compete outside of the USA for more realistic Sparring. Like Mas Oyama's Kyokushin karate tournaments. Those tournaments were also started in the late sixties. At least Kyokushin tournaments focused on a more realistic way of fighting. Point Sparring in the sixties was never full contact and it's still is NOT today in 2024. Point Sparring is also called Non Contact Karate. Hearing Chuck Norris constantly say. I was World Middle Weight Champion. Is like saying I'm world middle weight champion of shadow boxing. Point sparring is a glorified game of tag. Bruce Lee said point sparring is like trying to swim on dry land. Bruce Lee was great no matter what point sparring people like to say. Playing Tag ain't gonna help you win a fight in the streets.
Bruce lee wasn't "JUST" anything the word "JUST" and "BRUCE LEE" should not be used in the same sentence even if bruce was going for a cup of coffee he wasn't "JUST" going for a cup of coffee he WAS "Going for a cup of coffee"
Long-time Bruce Lee fan here. If I could really place myself in Bruce Lee's shoes, I wouldn't have competed either. But, say, I was Bruce Lee. To me competition, with my life so busy and yet unfulfilled, would be a nonstarter, and also for the ff. extra or supporting-no pun intended-reasons: 1. I'd mastered "the art of fighting without fighting" and even written books about it; 2. I wanted to gain more converts to my own art-and not make enemies-and, with life being short, regularly competing just didn't fit in my growth and greater vision as a human being; 3. A child actor, I wanted to break into the world screen very fast, and more friends meant more people to watch me and make me financially secure (I had my own struggles, too); 4. I was a husband and father with three mouths to feed-not to mention my own; 5. Lastly, but not the least, I wanted my parents, other loved ones, and friends to be proud of me. And besides, since I knew I could beat everybody up, there wouldn't be any fun or glory in it. 🙂
It's not that complicated Bruce had no interest in playing silly games with rules & regulations. [Sport fighting] He trained for the real deal. [self-defense]
@@HardHardMasterLittle correction there candle master, "he wasn't a sport figher." There I fixed it for you. Btw Lee's personal life has nothing to do with the topic at hand. Bruce Lee was a really mean guy you know blah blah blah......😴
@@HardHardMaster You seem to know so much about Bruce Lee-as though you were a witness to how he lived. Or, are you just judging the man from what others said about him? And why have this too personal animosity toward Bruce Lee? Just like another dude here. Perhaps you and he are the type to pump up your ego at the expense of others? From my experience, people like you are so unfulfilled in life. Illumine me about your character. Why are you so hateful against a dead man? Successful and happy people don't act like you two.
Bruce Lee openly stated that he thought tournaments were a waste of his time. The only person he was in competition with was himself. And he made more money from his dojos and acting than he ever could have from tournaments. If Bruce Lee was held to modern day standards of tournaments he wouldn't ever have been noticed even though he could absolutely rip any fighter alive today to pieces.
You knocked it out of the park again Prince. Chuck Norris again though can't tell the truth how great Bruce really was. I know Jim Kelly was talking about him when he mentioned who Bruce sparred with. All these clowns who said that Chuck and others were real fighters never did hand-to-hand fighting on the streets, let alone sparred full contact. Bruce Lee to this day is the only martial artist of his level to have actual real fights. He constantly was challenged his whole life with "real fights" not point crap. His fight with Wong Jack Man alone was a challenge for him to stop teaching kung fu to non-Chinese. When questioned he said there are no rules. Well, after that epic fight, he kept teaching whoever he wanted to teach. He put everything on the line and owned it. Would the karate guys of the day put up or shut up back then? To be honest, the guys who talked trash about Bruce after he died were Caucasians who resented the fact that this little Chinese man was stealing their thunder and students including Ed Parker whose students were leaving in droves to train with Bruce. I used to be a Chuck Norris fan until I watched him on countless interviews put himself in the same class as Bruce and always saying he was the champ and Bruce never fought in tournaments. Bruce also never owned a Black Belt but here we are still talking about him. Drop the Mic.
What's funny is that almost to a man, haters who put Bruce Lee down aren't trained or experienced martial artists of his generation who have sparred with him or witnessed him perform up close. Conversely, here in this video, we see that most of Bruce's contemporaries who are highly skilled in other martial arts disciplines have nothing but the greatest regard for his skill.
Despite Bruce being my hero when I was in high school, I'd have to acknowledge that his magical short punch was just bs to wow the audience. It simply involved the physics of momentum.
I would have to say that you would need a great amount of instantaneous tension to overcome the inertia on which the force is being acted upon, to the degree that he was able to achieve. Casuals would just push and sure the person may recede backwards that may amount to low speed of momentum, that’s the bs you talk about that even you can do. But what Bruce could do is the next next level, he would be able violently accelerate through your body before it had a chance to catch itself sending you reeling backwards, all from a man whom is believed to be diminutive in comparison, yet martial artists would be in disbelief and wonder themselves knowing the true magical force that they felt first hand
@@legin2096 Think cue ball vs. billiard ball. If you watch closely, Bruce is not just punching; he's also pushing. If the guy wasn't just standing there, but was in a more ready position, Bruce wouldn't be able to push him into the chair. No magic, just circus level performance for a crowd by a master showman.
@@HardHardMaster "It's a parlor trick, aimed at gullible noobs." That's a little unfair. The lesson of the one-inch punch is that the real power comes from everywhere but the arm. It's meant to look impossible to "noobs" who think punching power comes from arm strength.
@@HardHardMaster "it's not a fight technique." I agree, it's not. It's a demonstration of mechanics. "Even if to demonstrate kinetic chain, it's still a parlor trick." It is a parlor trick, but the point isn't just the trick. Someone who thinks punching power comes from arm strength is supposed to see this and ask how it's possible with no arm movement. The answer is that the whole rest of his body generates the power, and the hand just transmits it.
Its a demo, not a fighting technique. Bruce really knew how to sell a demo and turned it into a parlor trick by placing the chair for them to fall onto.
@@HardHardMaster That parlor trick was the point. "Noobs" would fail miserably trying to do it until they finally figured out how it works. At that point they'd understand the basics like having a solid base and power generation. I bet you yourself could do it too because you already know how to fight. But if you didnt you'd never make that trick work. It's outdated today but 60 years ago it was cutting edge.
Bruce Lee was American by birth, but was practically an immigrant as when he moved back, he had to learn a new way of life. He had to earn money. Entering tournaments would have had little incentives for him when he earned loads for teaching high profile actors like James Coburn, Steve Mcqueen, Kareem Abdul Jabbar, Sharon Tate, etc. He would charge a hefty sum to actually deter them. But, he gave in because they really wanted the lessons. Bruce Lee had no style, the father of MMA, so even then, there wasnt an MMA tournament. Not saying he would even compete then but it was just the times in which it was more important to put food on the table. This is evident when he became a father at 25 which must have affected his decisions.
I would somewhat disagree. It all depends on where you are hit with his 1 inch punch; if it’s set up chest high like in the video yes, it will knock you back like a push - however, as someone who, in my younger days training volunteered to be the recipient of a 1 inch punch demonstration given by Danny Lane at a seminar, trust me when I tell you if it’s set up lower than chest height, it will immediately double you over and make you feel like you wanna puke on the spot. Pretty devastating. So it’s most certainly not just a push.
Everyone who doesn’t believe in Bruce Lee keeps associating him to the typical stereotype Asian kung fu Karate fighter. He is on a whole different level folks.
He was actually a fighter. The top tournament fighters of the day learned many things from Bruce. Even Joe Lewis left tournament point fighting to apply what Bruce taught him in kickboxing.
@@jagger_claw Well like Golden Bell made light of.......more money in movies and training top guys. Anyway it is not too put down or prop up any form of combat sports but fact is Bruce was trying to be successful.
@@mizukarateThere was zeo financial gain in street fighting but he still did it anyway & even after becoming famous & making a lot of money he still accepted challenges. "You know money comes second." - Bruce Lee
@@HardHardMaster Look Im not fan boy of Bruce. In fact I have been critical of him in general for many reasons. Anyway my point is Bruce did not have to be in tournaments to make a living or have a martial arts career.
Look Claw and Sidd......I don't disagree with much of your points. The reality is that there are many ways to make a living as a martial artist. Many ways to skin a 🐱.
There is only one reason why someone who claims to be one of the best fighters in the world wouldnt compete for everyone to see, I'll leave that reason to you to guess, its quite easy to answer lol.
No matter how much the Bruce Lee haters want to put him down, it's always about Bruce that people still talk about. Video after video is released about practitioners from the past and present who fought or fight in the ring who have the greatest admiration for Bruce and his legacy. Not for Jet Li or Donnie Yen or Jackie Chan. Bruce. He must have been so much more than an "actor" He was first and foremost a martial artist. And people like Benny Urquidez and Joe Lewis who is considered the greatest karate/kickboxer of all time revered him. What is your fight status to think you know beter than these guys??? Have you even ever kicked a bag??? Or just self acclaimed know it alls
@@stevo62fulNO REAL FIGHT could be my favorite. NO ONE EVER WINS. Fights are indeed a fact of life, a very sad and destructive fact. It is also true that to secure peace, one must prepare to fight. This is another sad, yet necessary truth.
Mike Stone didn't want people to know Lee was instructing him. His ego is what destroyed his friendship with Lee and Mike Stone never got into the entertainment industry as a result 😮😮😮
That was a very enjoyable and informative video. Your voice is perfect for narrating action - it keeps you focused and moves along the story you are telling without distracting one. You also have managed to present, portray Bruce in a no nonsense and balanced fashion - devoid of fanboy hyperbole. I think that Bruce would be the man - who if I had a boy who wanted to be a martial artist - that I would, if Bruce were alive - that I would move heaven and earth to convince to teach my boy; no matter what it cost. With so many, many of the top martial artists in the world - including Michael Jai White saying that no one was better than Bruce - I dare say that one's faith in him would be justified. Thank you for putting together this excellent and insightful portrait of a man who was possibly THE best? Ever?
As someone that competed extensively at one time I completely agree that tournaments did not reflect real fighting ability. Americanized martial arts were focused extensively on people not getting hurt, or even bruised, which really is just a game of tag. Which is why the last part of any tournament often revolved around a series of bouts in which noses and ribs got broken with great regularity as "touch contact" was thrown out in favor of "I'll try to not hurt you too badly." These competitions were open to all black belts, but others could gain admission with the consent of the black belts. No women ever entered these bouts, even though the #1 and #2 nationally ranked female black belts were regularly part of the other events. It's been decades since I competed regularly, so I have no idea if the hard contact bouts continued past my era of participation. My later school didn't focus on tournament fighting as our founder/instructor was a formerly ranked full-contact fighter.
This video is accurate and echo's what others like Joe Lewis said on multiple occasions. Joe said, and I'm paraphrasing, that when Bruce hit you, it felt like a heavyweight blow. He said his speed was amazing and he was the real deal. Joe felt the same way about point fighting as Bruce. That's why Lewis decided to become a full-contact kick boxer. Joe was a tough guy in his own right. He was not someone you'd want to challenge in the ring or on the street, and neither was Bruce Lee.
I think too many people conflate his dominating on screen fights with his real fighting abilities. The truth is he was probably a good fighter, he did have some experience street fighting. But would he be a match for Chuck Norris? No, he would probably would lose badly. Chuck Norris was the real deal back in his day. His real skill was teaching martial arts, acting, choreographing fight scenes for movies. Not fighting.
I have need a martial artist for 40 years. I used to idolize Bruce Lee but the fact remains that he was NOT a fighter! He was a showman. Anyway, Not one of his contemporaries would seriously fight him because they were too afraid of losing face. Joe Lewis was a true badass. Bruce Lee was a true badass. And jeet kun do is a spin off of wing Chun. I think if he were to have really fought a seasoned fighter he probably would have lost in a controlled competition environment; and he could have one, too, if he managed to side kick the crap out of his opponent and doing it with one kick. But Bruce Lee was no fighter. He was a martial ARTIST.
Jeet Kune Do isn't a spinoff of wing chun, his philosophy was to use moves from what ever style that best suits the physiology of the body type of the individual person and use what works best. He realized if you only stick to one style you are limiting your capabilities, and everyone naturally is different. For example, Bruce does use a lot of wing chun in his personal style, but his foot movement came from fencing and his counter punches came from boxing. Someone bigger might incorporate more judo and grappling or muay thai moves. It's very similar to MMA and it is bassically known that MMA came from Jeet Kune Do.
@Kev32411 first. Jeet kun do is not anything close to modern day MMA; just go to a jeet kun do academy, and you will see for yourself. Second, in his time, there was no shortage of people practicing different disciplines and trying to invent cross-over arts, but he ws not one of them. It's true. What you say in terms of Lee saying you must take and use the best of all martial arts. But what did he achieve; his own martial art that sounds good on paper, a badass movie carrer, and super powerful strikes. I seriously doubt he had formidable skill in other martial arts and we can only say he was intermediate, at best , in wing Chun; he started when he was 16 and only a few years later moved to the states. Because, if you notice when anyone spoke about Lee, Joe Lewis, Chuck Norris, etc, they only spoke about how fast and strong he was. It was never that he was an expert wing Chun martial artist. And if someone did, they didn't know what they were talking about. It takes at least a decade to become an expert in any martial arts unless you are a prodigy. Lee wasn't a prodigy in wing Chun. He was a prodigy in speed and strength because he spent almost 20 years building his reflexes, speed, and hitting power up. That is undeniable. And if he hit someone, they would become astonished at how a 135lb guy could hit like a heavy weight. But come on. Look at the tapes of him training his technique was only so good but his power, speed and reflexes is what left anyone who meet him in awe. He wasn't lying when he said, 'The key to immortality is first living a life worth remembering.'
@eleazarsoto7830 Actually no, most people in Bruce Lee's time were actually trained only in one martial arts style and they were obsessed with what style is the best. Many grudge matches were based on trying to prove what art was better. His philosophy was to be like water, essentially meaning use any style or movements necessary to defeat your opponent because restricting yourself to one style leaves you vulnerable. MMA is only different because it has rules, JKD has no rules.
@eleazarsoto7830 MMA has rules you have to abide by like no hits to the back of the head and you can't grab peoples shorts, can't kick/knee to the head if they are on the ground and that sort of stuff. Timed rounds. JKD has certain principles that you stick to when training butbthey are not rules. It's not meant for point fighting or competition. Eye gouges and groin shots and stuff like that are allowed because it's based on street fighting where there's no round time limit and you are fighting for your life, basically.
@@RKmndo yeah , but he recorded training sessions…but not fights. Meanwhile in the other side of the world a certain family is recording fight after fight after fight…..this was a movie star, a person used to recording things, yet no real fight footage. He was an amazing martial artist,but so was Jackie Chan.. who did Bruce Lee fight? There has to be at least one alive….yet no one comes forward
@@johnnythepillpopper1974Fight after fight after fight? Or match after match after match? Matches aren't fights. I've been in many fights. I worked as a bouncer during college. Watching Lee's training/demonstration videos, and reading his literature, an experienced FIGHTER can tell that Lee had the speed, power, and knowledge to easily decimate most people on the street. With his speed, precision, knowledge of anatomy, and power...How difficult do you think it would have been for him to destroy...in quick succession...somebody's lead leg with a side kick, lead radius bone with a hammerfist, eyes with a tiger-style gouge, and then C-spine with a knifehand? His speed and power could take out a lead leg and lead forearm before somebody even got within jabbing or grappling range...and that's using JUST his striking ability.
Bruce was the best! Of course there will always be haters who have plenty to say about him after death. Truth is he deserves his flowers for all his hard work and contribution to the martial arts in general. How many generations got involved in martial arts because of him? He was an exceptional martial artist and I take not away from other champs. But let’s face it.. Bruce Lee was phenomenal. Tournaments have rules the streets don’t. And those that say they would not feel a punch from him, I would have loved to see that in real time.
Pretty simple and common sense. Bruce Lee's Jeet kune do never follow competition rules. It was designed to defend yourself in a streetfight.😂😂😂 Soooo never compare a competition fights with rules to a streetfight self-defence without rules. Only dumb and stupid martial artists do that. 🤣🤣🤣
Disagree with what? No one said he could win in a modern MMA tournament today or even 30 yrs ago. This was the 60s and point karate was ridiculous. They award points for strikes that would have potentially landed, yes! not actually landed for safety reason
@@freehaven1 Why not? The only reason today's MMA fighters are as good as they are is from practicing the same crap Bruce Lee put into JKD! lol Striking? He incorporated Wing Chun, Boxing, Karate, and Muay Thai into JKD. Don't MMA fighters practice these styles? We know Anderson Silva and Tony Ferguson for certain incorporated Wing Chun in their styles. Grappling? There is extensive grappling from both Wrestling and Judo incorporated into JKD. Submissions? JKD has the standard BJJ subs and even all the illegal joint manipulation subs not used in MMA. If he competed in MMA today he'd do the exact same thing these other guys did. The truth is JKD is exactly what you all want from MMA anyway: No bullshido techniques, only what's effective from each martial art.
I trained with some of Lee’s students. Most namely Larry Hartsell. Larry was already a jr instructor under Ed Parker before he started training with Bruce. He had stories about people coming into the dojo to challenge Bruce. Larry was usually the guy Bruce had fight on his behalf because he was so tough. But depending on the level of disrespect the challenger had coming in. Bruce would accept the challenge personally and while the floor with these guys. Every time!
There is another very basic simple reason that he would never admit... getting into competitions where he might lose could only harm the legendary image he was developing. This is not to say he could not have competed and potentially won, but to take the risk only had downsides, because even fighting against someone and beating them, but barely beating them, would have significantly diminished the mythological legend he was building around himself.
It wouldn't surprise me, if, in 40 years time ( I doubt I'll be around ) some/too many, people will say, Keanu Reeves would have been a great MMA fighter
Thanks for this one, as there has been a lot of talk in recent years about who could beat Bruce Lee,......now that he's long dead. LOL! His student Jesse Glover who was a 4 time Judo champion said he could not beat Bruce at all. His other student 220 lb + boxer, brawler James DeMile, also said Bruce Lee could easily beat him and until recently would challenge people to spar him who said they could have beaten Bruce. As far as I know, there were no takers and he still lives and teaches right over in Hawaii. Easy to find.🤣. Bob Wall challenged Steven Seagal to a fight after Seagal said he could beat Bruce Lee in an interview saying "If you could beat Bruce Lee, you should be able to make quick work of me". Seagal didn't want none of it, after all that talk. LMAO! It is what it is. People trying to pump up their egos, careers and reputation off of a man who died in the 70's and nobody during that time ever having the nerve to challenge him to a televised fight during that time, and they could have easily done so. As far as I'm concerned they need to shut it up.
And that is why he cannot be proclaimed a fighting god. Only immature fanboys would consider a guy with a zero credible fight record, and they have never seen fight, to be superhuman. It boggles the mind.
@@stevo62ful Of course very mind boggling for you, who don't know or want to know about the fights of Bruce Lee. Given the abundance of well-researched biographies on Lee, it would be prudent to familiarize yourself with the existing literature before offering any comments. Making uninformed or superficial remarks without a proper understanding of the subject matter is not advisable.
@@rhlng You think Bruce was a fighting god, so you must have sen him fight for real ! So I ask again. What is you favourite real fight of Bruce that you have seen ??
Yeah and it's because nobody would have a chance against Bruce and it's all about the speed , I mean during filming they asked him to slow down because the camera's of the day couldn't keep up
I've read about that. I have also read about the exact opposite. That cameras were sped up, and frames were removed from the film to make him appear faster. Take your pick on which to believe.
Only in his weight class. Put him in the old open weight tournaments and he would not have beaten large skilled opponents. He was exceptional but not superhuman.
No money. Doesn’t progress his skillset, isn’t reflective of reality and too limited. Also he didn’t care about labels like “champion” or cheap trophies. Waste of time.
"Doesn’t progress his skillset" If he's a martial artist, yes it does. At bare minimum, there's performing live and under pressure. That's a real-life skill, and a martial arts skill. And that's not even getting into the specific skills like controlling how much stamina you burn in a multi-round full-contact fight. Or knowing how to set up power hits. Or dealing with opponents you haven't seen before. Or even in point sparring, you still work on timing, positioning, and deception. The idea that he was above it all and had nothing to gain is a joke. "isn’t reflective of reality and too limited." This is a cheap copout. You can literally say that about any competition, any drill, any type of training. Even real-life, actual combat can be criticized because real fights aren't fair, so the whole thing is limited to unbalanced situations. You're seriously telling me this guy is OK with sparring his own students as a way to train, but competing against champions is not realistic? Sure, Jan. "Also he didn’t care about labels like “champion” or cheap trophies." He obviously did because he constantly went around saying how he was the best. His personal brand was a big asset in his career.
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He could have fought in Muay-thai.
@@HardHardMaster Yes, and therefor he is not the best. You are only the best if you fought and competed with the best.
@@youareacoward8459
Bruce Lee wasn't the "best." Not when compared to former Navy SEALs like Jonny Kim, retired Green Beret Tu Lam of Ronin Tactics or Korean War hero, Col. Kurt Chew Een Lee.
Bruce Lee got obsessed with MA because he was interested in self defense. The streets aren't competition. When he started getting famous in Hong Kong and had to deal with psychos, stalkers and street thugs with a chip on their shoulders, he began carrying a pistol and knife hidden in a belt buckle because in real life if you fight fair, your tactics suck.
Competition is great but it proves nothing in real life. As the former Southern Raza, Dubs, said on his channel, MMA guys won't fare will in prison because if they diss someone, the gangs will send multiple hitters armed with shanks to take him out.
@@LIbertyorDeath419 I just said that he did not compete. I can fight hundreds of street thugs, one-on-one random fights, and even take on three regular dudes simultaneously, but not one professional MMA fighter.
@@HardHardMaster Lee's triad buddy who competed in SE Asian Kickboxing champion matches said otherwise.
Also, Champion Judoka Hayward Nishioka attested to Lee's lightning fast and powerful strikes but said it was his groundgame that was weak.
All I can say is that the actual fighters of Bruce Lee's time, including Chuck Norris, who was a real fighter, said that NOBODY could beat Bruce Lee DURING HIS TIME.
Chuck Norris specifically said when asked how Bruce would fare in a karate match with him he said he would beat Bruce pretty easily. He said he was way bigger than him as one of the reasons.
@@ngkngk875 Source?
@@rhlng just look it up it takes 2 minutes to find
Back in those days, it was point tournaments.
I don’t consider Norris, Lewis, Stone to be fighters in comparison to today’s MMA guys.
That’s not to say they’re not good martial artists.
To me, those tournaments are a joke.
Did he? Cause he also said Bruce wasn't a fighter and he was, when asked who'd win a fight between them
He is just 32(?) when he died . Come on , he is a real pioneer and create his own path . We should respect that
Yes in theory respect and all that. But in practice ??????? How to actually show respect . . . not clear. Up for grabs. Anybody's guess.
@@piehound there's so many lame rules on traditional martial arts
I wish he was still alive.
I remember how devastated I was when I was a kid, to find out he already died before I was born.
Since I really wanted to meet him.
Where was Bruce Lee from?
@@VladislavBabbitt You can type that question into Google to find out that he was from Hong Kong.
Besides not wanting to be limited and restricted by the rules of combat sports, it was really a matter of economics for Bruce. He made waaaay more money doing films than he would have as a pro competitor.
Also, by the time he was getting noticed by Hollywood he was in constant pain because of a back injury he sustained back in the late 1960s.
Also, in those days, you damaged your sellability to Hollywood if you lost a match, as all competitors do.
Lee had no interest in swimming in pools. [sport fighting] He wanted to swim in the sea with the waves & sharks. [real fighting]
The first part of what you said was right, not the second.
@@HardHardMasterhe understood real fight dynamics training with real martial artists and fighters lol. Try to train like how he did and you would know. Thousand upon thousand of reps per day
Bruce Lee said "the only thing a belt is good for is to keep your pants up".
@@HardHardMaster. Lame.
@@HardHardMaster my favorite bruce lee quote is “candles don’t punch back” LOL
@@HardHardMaster yes the only person who can punch candles in the world is you, siddified. Siddified comes home to a candlelit room set up by his husband and begins to punch every candle out😂
@@HardHardMaster Oh look the guy who keeps spamming the chat due to his hatred of Bruce. Looks like you have an ego problem and pure jealousy of Bruce. You'll never be as great as Bruce, you're nothing. Deal with that
He was the best and the quickest person I've ever seen.
The fact is, after 50 years since he passed away, we're still talking about his influence on martial arts to this day...
So epico
He was the first big film fighter, that’s why.
I was a huge Bruce Lee fan growing up, one of the first books I read was his biography. Now that I am an adult and have actually fought, I read these comments with the same suspension of disbelief as when I watch action movies. I wonder how many of the people commenting actually have experience fighting against professional fighters.
You're among them if you think bruce lee was anything like the 1d1ots worship him as
@@HardHardMaster yep lol I must have misread the part where you actually fought, misunderstood it as one of the "believers" lol
Same suspension of disbelief is given to professional fighters. How well would they do in a fight for their life?
Also, sport fighting was much different back then. Scoring points were more important than actual martial combat skill.
Even today, martial combat skill in sport fighting is as close as you can get, safely, to the real thing... but a real fight is not a sport fight.
Fighting on the street against some drunk guy is not the same as fighting for your life against an enemy trying to kill you.
@@HardHardMaster XD pass water my friend
@@HardHardMaster 100%
It seems to me that Bruce was Moore concerned with improving his technical skills than beating people for the fun of it constantly critiquing himself rather than boasting how he beat someone
Yep that hits the nail on the head. Also it’s *more not moore. Just a heads up 👍🏻
@@HardHardMaster when? According to who? Where did you get this information from? This isn’t true. Bruce didn’t go around “bragging”. Yes, he said things to this effect once or twice when interviewed or among friends. But he most definitely didn’t go around bragging. There seems to be this idea Bruce Lee was the person Tarantino said he was when he wasn’t. Have you ever actually watched any documentary’s about him? Read any books?
And who exactly was he supposed to fight?
I guess you believe he went around to random dojo’s “challenging” people to fight right? 🤦♂️ unbelievable.
I don’t get the angle you guys keep coming at this from.
He didn’t care about sport.
He didn’t compete in sport.
He got into martial arts purely from a self defence perspective , meaning real world scenarios, people who have weapons, multiple opponents, etc.
“Claimed he could beat anyone and never did” what, in sport?
“If I tell you I'm good, probably you will say I'm boasting. But if I tell you I'm not good, you'll know I'm lying.” - Bruce Lee
The evidence points towards him putting people “pro” “champions” in their place in a friendly way, without having to resort to full on fighting, this is what Bruce was known to do. He would only ever fight when pushed or provoked.
So he was supposed to just start random fights with people in the streets?
All these “pros” learnt from him. Most of them were bested in sparring behind closed doors.
There’s no reason for a supposed “pro” to train with an “actor” who can’t fight.
Think about it logically. What do you think happens to these guys to make them want to take lessons?
Watch John Little interviews on the Kung fu genius channel. Or buy wrath of the dragon: the real fights of Bruce Lee by John Little.
I see comments like yours all the time and they either don’t make sense or people have the wrong idea about what Bruce’s goals were and what sort of person he actually was.
If he was all talk, none of you would be even talking about him today. People like you are on every single Bruce Lee video saying he wasn’t this, he wasn’t that, he never backed up what he said.
If he was no good nobody today would even be talking about him.
And yet, for someone who was supposedly a fake or a “myth” none of you can stop talking to him. You are fixated or trying to disprove the legitimacy of someone who is undeniably the most renowned martial artist of the last century, and was quite clearly the real deal. Hence, why people like you can’t stop slandering him on every video.
@@HardHardMaster false information. Cite your sources.
"Bruce was Moore concerned with improving his technical skills than beating people for the fun of it constantly critiquing himself rather than boasting how he beat someone"
He was, but also he was constantly running his mouth about how he could beat any man. He just never put himself out there to prove it.
@@HardHardMaster "he absolutely did."
At most he fought one guy, and from the looks of it he didn't really even win that. There's no proof of him fighting anyone else in a "real world" or "competitive" setting. No real fights, no full contact matches, no point-fighting tournaments, nothing. Except Wong Jack Man said they had a private grudge match once, and Bruce's story of how that went is very suspicious.
There's no mystery to this at all. No experts or scholars are debating this. Bruce Lee didn't compete for two reasons. One...Competition wasn't his thing - he did movies and training. Two...his reputation was so inflated that any result short of beating everybody without taking a single hit would have damaged him. He had nothing to gain and a lot to lose.
You're trying to say he wasn't that good. Haha. Adorable.
Sent a man 50 pounds heavier than him flying with a 1 inch punch. And that's just 1 thing he did. Everyone who has ever known Bruce Lee has said he's untouchable. But you know better than them.
You're thinking with modern MMA logic. He would have only been damaged had he lost. Back then his rep wasn't even half the size it is now. That's not to say he wasn't big but it was one of those things within the martial arts circles. ALL of the martial artists knew or knew "of" each other so discrediting him would have only killed JKD but he would have kept doing movies.
Martial arts fandom back then was not like today so they wouldn't have looked at him as overrated or anything because MAs were still new to the west and people hadn't fully acclimated to it like we have. Everything was still unbelievably believable! lol Bullshido was everywhere! And it was the very reason he started JKD in the first place: to kill Bullshido.
@@hugejackedman3447 "You're thinking with modern MMA logic."
There's nothing unique to modern MMA about this. If a guy has a reputation for being untouchable and he gets in the ring, he's not going to improve on that rep, but he could easily lose it.
"Back then his rep wasn't even half the size it is now."
His movies basically brought the genre over here, and his presentation of Asian martial arts changed how we thought about fighting. He had a huge influence even in his own time. I don't think you're going to disagree, so I'll stop there.
"Martial arts fandom back then was not like today"
Sure it was! It was just more about things like Boxing. Fighters like Joe Lewis started bringing Asian martial arts (in his case, Karate) into the ring, which got the public's attention because it looked like Boxing. Bruce Lee could have done that. Gene Lebell fought Milo Savage in an MMA ("Judo Versus Boxing") match in like 1964 or something. Bruce Lee could have done something like that.
I'm saying, man, he could have if he wanted to, especially with his star power. People would've watched Bruce Lee from the movies try his Kung Fu martial arts skills out in the ring. He didn't because - and I'm not blaming him for this - it could only have hurt his reputation and career. He had an unrealistic image that would have been shattered even if he did pretty well in the ring. Anything less than total invincibility would have chipped away at his rep.
Correct! The myth about him being this or that is definitely overinflated. He was a martial arts ACTOR!
@@muhammadsteinberg an actor that moved so fast his fight scenes had to be shot in slow motion because it looked fake. Please do 5 minutes of research.
The man was a badass and a genius at marketing himself and the martial arts
@@HardHardMaster. Sorry about your being wrong.
@@HardHardMaster if only we could all be badass and punch candles like siddified on his channel over here
@@HardHardMaster I can, challenged the candles in my house and put all their lights out🤣🤣i'm the real deal like siddified now
@@HardHardMasterFighting Racism alone is badass.
@@HardHardMaster Bruce Lee fought for the right to teach westerners. That is a fact
So an actual gold medalist who studied and probably sparred him, tells the world: bruce was untouchable and could win any tournament. And a bunch of casuals who never set foot in a ring can make a video discrediting that. Sheesh what a time we live in.
_"So an actual gold medalist who studied and probably sparred him, tells the world: bruce was untouchable and could win any tournament."_
*"And probably sparred him"*
*"tells the world: bruce was untouchable and could win any tournament"*
*Nope, nothing fishy here people. Move along now. No asking questions....*
@@ExMachina70 i was talking about jim kelly, a man highly respected in the martial arts community. Ive seen several interviews (youtube) where his face lights up about how good bruce was. Jim has probably sparred countless people, you dont gush about someone if they arent THAT good. Hes never out right said if he sparred bruce, because ive never seen him directly asked, but he insinuates. Chuck norris is another one who trained with bruce and claimed, he would do well in MMA if it was around back in his time. Bruce also sparred kareem abdul jabbar and said kareem was to slow and could not touch me.
I admit that the man was strong but since again he didn't fight in MMA or other stand-up Arts we can't say that he would have been a champion. Yes fighters in the past said that he was very good but even Fighters today we see say the other Fighters are good but in the end those guys don't become champions. These are all words and all and we need facts and results and we just don't have it with Bruce Lee when it comes to fighting other professional fighters over and over again
@@vindigga6 I mean, if it tickles your nuts to think that Bruce was bigger than the movies he made, then be happy with it, but in the interviews with Chuck Norris, I've only seen him steer clear of talking about Bruces abilities to fight. Chuck knew he could destroy Bruce Lee, but didn't want to bash him.
@@Danny-mg1hu Thats all a fair and reasonable arguement, which i appreciate. My problem is how people bring this stuff up, like bruce was a scrub because he never competed in world tournaments. Also I dont know if bruce would be a world champion in multiple disciplines, i dont think anyone has made claims like that. But i do think he would be incredibly formidible. I believe before his death he was heavily researching grappling/wrestling. Back then MMA was obviously not a thing, but imo i think he would have easily made a the transition.
Another thing bruce didnt compete in world tournaments but did have notable matches (google):
Inter-school boxing
In 1958, Lee won an inter-school boxing competition by defeating three-time champion Gary Elms.
Japanese Karate Black Belt
After moving to the United States, Lee defeated Japanese Karate Black Belt Yoichi Nakachi in under 11 seconds.
Kung-Fu master
Lee's final competitive fight was against Kung-Fu master Wong Jack Man, and though Lee won, he was left winded and disappointed with his performance.
Stuntmen
Lee was known to fight stuntmen on some of his sets in Hong Kong, but he never started the fights, and they were usually over within 20 seconds.
And again jim kelly , is known as one of the worlds most decorated karate martial artists. They trained together and im sure they sparred, again im taking that mans word over 90 percent of the population. Jim says it pretty confidently, he thinks bruce would do very well n tournaments. If you havent go youtube the video yourself, hearing his ton and the way he gushes about bruce is pretty eye opening.
I'm 62. I was 11 when Bruce Lee past away. I saw his movies and I had my hero. I cried when he passed away. I never forgot the things he said what he said about self defense. He was and always will be a legend. Not because he is gone. It is because what left was true. He was true to himself and his Art. That is very rare now. I knew as kid he would not want me to cry, but I understood what we lost. A man true to himself, true to what he believed in, and true to his Art. It is so rare to find a person like this in life.
Exact same as you. Respect.
I don't really understand this. But, it's difficult to imagine someone as a martial art champion who never got combat punched. Surviving a punch is over half of what it takes to be combat sports champion. Ballet dancers have good training, stamina, philosophy, techniques, .... too.
Bruce was more experienced in street fights than sport fights.
Surely getting hit in the face is partly why he adapted JKD. He sparred with lacrosse/hockey protective gear so they could go full contact.
Point competitions don't require as protective of gear because they don't expect to get hit full force.
@UnjustVerdict Sometimes society elevates the least talented to the top. Think Beyonce, Taylor Swift, Marilyn Monroe, and Bruce Lee. Ouch!👎
Agreed. I have long thought the same thing! Chuck Norris was a actual champion. Its one thing to do it in the movies another in actual competition. I think when people we really like die early they are often lionized. IMO.
So what Hollywood actor has a yoga pose named after them and have the Guinness World record of fittest man
@Manofwar7 and like wise you people hate on people others like just to try to be different and act like your opinion is better than anyone else some famous people are overhyped obviously but not all great example of this would be like the rapper Eminem its more popular to hate on them these days just cause others think there great and in reality when it comes to Bruce most of us dont know sht to even comment on it you weren't there and i wasn't there
He's the reason I got into martial arts did taekwondo for years and got into MMA and now I'm getting old and doing jujitsu and still love every bit of it because of this one man Bruce Lee!!!!!👍👍👍
Looks like you've wasted a lot of time friend.
@@jagger_claw I don't know about that would you like to go around or two we can see how much time I wasted 😁 stand up ground game or we can mix both it 👍👍
@@jagger_claw I've also wasted a lot of time skydiving scuba diving mountain climbing spent a year in Vietnam halfway across the world yeah I've lived a pretty boring life with a lot of time wasted 🤣🤣
@@bryanjohnson8162You ever heard about something called the "reaction lag time" mate?
@@HardHardMasterHey it's the triggerd candle master again!😤🤣
These videos are always a treat.
It's well elaborated in Lee's own writings. Any fighting sport competition has rules which make it unrealistic. You might say the eye jab is the very first technique in the JKD repertoire, but that would be immediately disqualifying in any competition. More practically, Lee had long term Hollywood aspirations, so perhaps the risk of a competition career limiting injury would have limited his acting priorities.
It's crazy that you can never compete but be considered the greatest fighter of all time.
Appearantly LOT of legit azz Kickers challenged him but none could put him down, just ask bolo Yeung
There are many people who don’t consider him the greatest. He was too small to be great. Michael Jai White said BL could run across the street and punch him, he wouldn’t feel it. Bruce simply wasn’t that good a fighter. He was a movie star.
@@williamunderhill846 say that to mighty mouse. Mighty mouse is 5'3 and he's a monster. One of the most skilled fighters to walk this planet.
Size and skills aren't related. You train and move around according to your size but that's it.
Also Michel jai is a monster. He even impressed Jon Jones.
Bruce was one of the first known people to combine different martial arts and train to be the most effective.
It's like saying why wouldn't an mma fighter fight a boxer in the ring. Simple because that's not his style of fighting and could limit their skills.
@@williamunderhill846expected from Michael who considers himself the best in the world.
@@mikhailabdurrachman2443 Yeah...see the problem with anectdotes is that they are anectdotes.
He reached more people through movies than any tournaments. Just look now. He's been gone for so many years and everyone knows who Bruce Lee is
bruce lee is the biggest icon in martial arts history. he is similar to babe ruth in baseball, muhammad ali in boxing and elvis in music. bruce had undeniable skills, an incredible physique and an unmatched charisma that translated well to motion pictures. it's immaterial if he is the greatest fighter of all time. he is definitely the greatest martial artist of all time, just from his influence.
@@HardHardMaster
That’s why most of the famous martial artist throughout the years hold Bruce Lee with such high regard.
@@HardHardMasterYou are beyond delusional.🤣
@@HardHardMaster he trained in kung fu. I don’t believe they use a belt system.
My point is about ‘influence’.
How many people became martial artists because they liked what Bruce Lee could do.
Similar to Jimi Hendrix on guitar.
I see him as the biggest icon of electric guitar playing more to his influence than his technical ability.
@@HardHardMaster I don’t get why you have such animosity toward Bruce Lee.
Back in his day, he probably considered himself to be the world’s most elite fighter.
Maybe he was, maybe he wasn’t.
I have trained in Tae Kwon Do, Hapkido, and Shorin Ryu karate under 8th degree very highly skilled instructors in each of those disciplines.
I don’t believe that any of those instructors would dismiss Bruce Lee’s skills as beginner level and someone who was unable to fight.
True, Bruce was more of an action movie star and a self promoter than a traditional martial artist, but he was also maybe the first mixed martial artist and he deserves credit both for his achievements in film and for his martial arts prowess.
@@HardHardMaster
Well he would fight in his weight class. Yes, people think Bruce Lee could beat up Mike Tyson and that is just ridiculous but the guy was extremely talented in martial arts. He is the most famous martial artist so he evidently did something right. Just like James Dean, he probably wouldn’t have near the fame if he didn’t die young.
Bruce Lee was a pioneer. He inspired many people and popularized martial arts. He was not an elite fighter and to say he would dominate in actual tournaments is stupid. He might win, he might lose, truth is we have no idea how he could take a hit or if he could handle the pressure
I agree
The truth is that anytime an objective and realistic approach about Bruce Lee's real skills is made, the inevitable conclusion is that the man was "seriously" skilled for real combat.
Does not mean he would've won, but, had he decided to compete he would have been an opponent to take extra care if had to confronted.
Denying Bruce Lee skills, like the latest wisdom promotes is as delusional as the super invincible fanboy view.
Bruce Lee was "seriously" skilled for fighting and that's the truth, but was not an invincible man who would have defeated Mohamed Ali. Let's be realistic on both sides.
@@HardHardMaster Any serious and realistic analisis about Bruce Lee will always point to the conclusion that he was highly skilled to fight, exagerations of invincibility or win-lose irrealistic predictions apart.
Claiming he was not able or up to a certain serious level for real combat is another irrealistic exageration, dressed up as the new current wisdom to subscribe, biased and simplistic
Don't forget that the fact that he didn't compete does not prove at any moment that he wouldn't have been "more than able" and at the level, had he decided. It is actually not enough to corroborate anything at all, as much as it is pretended.
Yup, same question I always post. Clearly see he hits hard, move fast but never seen him a take. I think he'd be a glass canon champ if he competed.
@@Ming1975 I agree with you. The only realistic thing that wouldn't be in his favour is the fact that he was not used at all to receive blows, cos he never competed, and that is considerably important to be honest. However that doesn't mean he couldn't fight (it's actually one of the most ridiculous things affirmed lately).....but the rest about him, if researched seriously, points all the way to the fact that he would have been more than just at the level, had he decided to fight pro. He would've perhaps not won as expected, but he for sure wouldnt have been the wimp many try to portrait. It is deeply ridiculous to believe that Bruce Lee couldn't fight...it's a huge nonsense, as much as to think he was a super god.
legends,in their own mind or not,are not foolish enough to compete. one loss in a tourney and " poof " no more legend.the whole world no longer sees them as superman, badass, and certainly the "legend " moniker is gone and the legend is back to the drawing board
"legends,in their own mind or not,are not foolish enough to compete. one loss in a tourney and " poof " no more legend."
Ali was around in Bruce Lee's day. He was a legend. He competed. He was not undefeated, but retired and died and is still a legend. You're talking about self-proclaimed legends like Lee, not people like Ali who earned it.
Masutatsu Oyama has been in the ring. He challenged fighters. Same height as Bruce Lee. I wish they had fought.
What sport competition did Musashi compete in? You clowns have no sense of reality have you?
@@TheMisterGuy when did he "self-proclaim" he's a legend? You're making things up to put sb down. Pathetic.
@@rhlng "when did he "self-proclaim" he's a legend? You're making things up to put sb down."
I don't even know who SB is. You mean Strong Bad? Because he is a self-proclaimed legend.
People who haven’t been in the situation where they are trained and in a tournament don’t understand. I was international champion twice in my martial art, and I loved sparring and training but I absolutely despised tournaments. I hated that we were trying to take each others heads off. It wasn’t fun, and I had no drive or want to hurt someone else, potentially seriously. At least in grappling martial arts you or they tap and it’s done. If you’re punching and kicking you’re basically trying to take their head off or hurt them so badly they won’t get up. It just felt awful to “win”.
"my martial art" the moment your martial art became a sport it ceased to be a martial art.
@@HardHardMasterAh yes once in blue moon some guy dies in sport, don't people also die by tripping & falling. [more frequently too]🤣 As for Gung Fu as Bruce Lee himself put it "it's fancy jazz,it looks good but it doesn't work."
"Let us put it this way 99% of the whole business of oriental self defense is boloney. It's fancy jazz, it looks good but it doesn't work." - Bruce Lee [saint paul dispatch 1968]
Win like Rogan baby!!!
5:40 Supreme Grandmaster Joon Pyo Choi pretty much felt the same way, and he was dang near the singlehanded reason why Taekwondo is an Olympic event. But I think people miss the point when tournaments get criticized on this point. It doesn't make them useless, but rather just another limited tool in your overall training.
Excellent! I always keep looking forward to your videos! Keep up the great work!
Anyone who doubts Bruce's skills should look at his training journals that were compiled in the book, Bruce Lee: The Art of Expressing The Human Body. He was way ahead of his time when it came to strength, cardiovascular endurance, flexibility, and speed training. Many of the people who constructed most of Bruce's training apparatus were interviewed for the book, and a lot of the prototypes that Bruce used are commonly used in martial arts training today. So when armchair warriors try to say that Bruce was just a "movie fighter", it's obvious that they've never looked at his training regimen, or the training programs that he designed for his students.
What is your favourite real fight of Bruce that you have seen ?
@@stevo62ful What is your favorite real fight that you've ever been in? 🍵
No one cares about his training journals. Either you put your self to the test or you don't. Any thing less is nothing but useless yapping.
Writing words proves you can fight? Don’t be silly
@@HardHardMaster Thank you. The Bruce Lee cult hates facing that fact.
BRUCE LEE WAS THE GREATEST MARTIAL ARTIST EVER
@siddified no one Could put him down in a one on one fight. Just ask bolo Yeung
Bruce Lee's fighting style was designed for street fighting, not for tournaments. Bruce Lee would hospitalize all his opponents.
JKD is not that great of a martial art… it’s a mid level skill base.
You're delusional if you actually believe that Bruce Lee is too dangerous to participate in bjj or judo where people snap their joints and get chocked unconcious if they don't tap out in time or in boxing or muay thai where people are knocked out and elbowed to the face.
I would change "would" to could. Other important points in the video are far better money and publicity through his movies than tournaments. Bad accidents can and do happen in strictly choreographed movie fights of any kind. Bruce Lee sure had the "adaptability" thing down perfectly per the video, he sure knew his Darwin:
Charles Darwin: It is not the most intellectual of the species that survives; it is not the strongest that survives; but the species that survives is the one that is able best to adapt and adjust to the changing environment in which it finds itself.
@@brandonw1412 true but wielded by someone who was incredibly fast and for his size inhumanly strong
@@brandonw1412
You obviously haven't a clue and this is not an argument.
It's like an autopsy. You don't know what killed it, until it's dead.
But then, this is how men get and are talked in to fights until every gun slinger is coming to town who wants to try the 'fastest' until he is dead, because he fought everyone that wants to try the 'fastest'.
Eventually, you are too old to fight any more, so, keep mythologizing.
Martial Artists, in the true sense of the word. Have nothing to prove.
We do it, to stay alive, in hand to hand combat, against weapons.
Our only proof, is we didn't die in combat and made it to a ripe old age, protecting our communities, our homes and ourselves.
It's the only proof we need. Not jeers from a crowd bellowing we destroy the guy in front of us for gladiatorial games, bread and circuses.
I read an article in Penthouse magazine in 1983. Bruce Lee said points fighting is like swimming without water. When full contact started he was more concerned about his acting and image than fighting in tournaments. He knew if he fought in a ring he would get hit and it would be a fight. The image of Bruce Lee is that he’s always the superior. A fight in a ring, even if he won he would loose that invincibility. If it took him three rounds to win in real life how can he beat ten guys up in two minutes or less in his movies.
@@HardHardMasterwasn't he a street fighter?
@@kloa4219 Yes, since his youth. His parents shipped him back to America because of the trouble he got into.
@@HardHardMasterThere is a huge difference from fighting for real and fighting for sport.
Most "fighters" have never been in a real fight. They have been in sport fights. Most people who have been in street fights don't fight like their life depends on it because in most cases, just like sport fighting, it's not a life or death fight.
In a real fight, someone dies at the end.
@@HardHardMaster People like you don't know people like me. You see nothing.
Gotta love the comments! Always entertaining to read 😂
With Bruce's speed, timing and focus he would have dominated in point fighting tournaments. The power behind his blows would make any opponents in an open tournament VERY hesitant to engage and it would have been extremely difficult to score a point on him.
Bruce also felt that beating a champion could demoralize their students and cause more harm than good. Continued improvement no matter what the style should be an artist's goal. His critiquing abilities helped you understand the importance of a mind that controls your whole body. These were things that he taught me and winning is your mind taking control of your body and that is the only way to improve. Each style has an advantage and learning all of them was Bruce's goal.
I hated point sparring that's why I quit taekwondo and went into MMA
Fake fighting as my brother called it.... and with only amateur boxing experience won grand champion in various point karate matches in the 80's. Lee would have done ok in mma at first. Then someone like Mighty Mouse would have dropped him on his head and showed him how things work. Of course we will never know buy my money would be on Demetrius.
@@chingaso4youHow you gain a Karate Tournament if you doesn’t know kick ? I'm sure amateur Boxing doesn’t teach kick.
@@chingaso4youis not Fake in your opnion Wrestlers in Olympic are fake because their fight has a point System ? Judo ? Olympic Boxing ?
@@DouglasGomesBueno-jw9lh He was quick enough to evade kicks and would get in the pocket. Hook to the liver or straight to the solar plexus. Can't "fight" if you can't breath and are doubled over. Wouldn't always work but he got a kick out of it. :)
@@DouglasGomesBueno-jw9lh Many mma fighters who have strong backgrounds in Judo, olympic boxing, wrestling and bjj are extremely competent. Point Karate.... not so much. Lyoto Machida may be the only exception.... and then there is Steven Segal (aikido) who is so deadly he is banned from mma. ;)
Bruce lee was magnificent in what he done. To him martial arts was a way of life , like Kung fu. It’s great that some well famous and well known martial arts people have respect for Bruce lee. Anyone saying negatives things about Bruce lee are just toxic jealous envious people that feel inferior to him ,in regards to what he achieved.
What you've said here is exactly the subliminal hidden reason of every buyer of the "new wisdom" about Bruce Lee not being a fighter. In the very depth, it is nothing but jealousy to his greatness and remarkable achievements. Well said.
@@HardHardMaster In reality, it is pseudo-historical revisionism supported by a sharp denialism of the most uncomfortable evidence towards realities such as the physical excellence that Bruce Lee achieved, through a remarkable training discipline.
I understand that your cognitive dissonance rejects the uncomfortable aspects, denying them, because you feel supported within the new wisdom.
@@HardHardMaster In reality, it is pseudo-historical revisionism supported by a sharp denialism of the most uncomfortable evidence towards realities such as the physical excellence that Bruce Lee achieved, through a remarkable training discipline.
The evidence about his physical achievements is overwhelmingly objective and more than enough to deduce that Bruce Lee was more than capable of real hand-to-hand combat. But I understand that your cognitive dissonance rejects the uncomfortable aspects, denying them, because you feel supported within the new wisdom.
@@HardHardMasterIn reality, it is pseudo-historical revisionism supported by a sharp denialism of the most uncomfortable evidence towards realities such as the physical excellence that Bruce Lee achieved, through a remarkable training discipline,
The evidence about his physical achievements is overwhelmingly objective and more than enough to deduce that Bruce Lee was more than capable of real hand-to-hand combat. But I understand that your cognitive dissonance rejects the uncomfortable aspects, denying them, because you feel supported within the new wisdom.
@@HardHardMaster In reality, it is pseudo-historical revisionism supported by a sharp denialism of the most uncomfortable evidence towards realities such as the physical excellence that Bruce Lee achieved, through a remarkable training discipline,
The evidence about his physical achievements is overwhelmingly objective and more than enough to deduce that Bruce Lee was more than capable of real hand-to-hand combat. But I understand that your cognitive dissonance rejects the uncomfortable aspects, denying them, because you feel supported within the new wisdom.
he is not a fighter, he is martial artist
a fighter is a martial artist 😂
@@AdamWong-z2f No. A fighter fights other credible fighters. Bruce practiced martial arts but has no known fights against credible fighters.
@@stevo62fulhe participated in plenty street fights. Credible is subjective. Bc he didn’t participate in organized fighting that was immensely restricted with what they allowed at the time doesn’t carry as much weight as it does today when much more is allowed. Kimbo slice was no more or less of a fighter in the octagon than he was as a street fighter.
@@moosebiggzify The old "tournaments have rules" excuse from a fanboy. There is no evidence of Bruce beating any credible street fighters. for all we know, you or I could beat these random unknowns he fought against. In fact all we know is some vague stories that he fought some random guys. We don't even know if he beat them. I'm not saying he didn't, but we have no idea what happened.
@@moosebiggzify Show us.
Most tournaments are not fights they are sports competitions with rules and regulations. Bruce Lee's philosophy was for real-life fighting situations. He would never subscribe to these unrealistic scenarios.
Bruce Lee’s JKD was the pioneer to modern MMA . He was grappling and boxing when it wasn’t cool to do so.
Not really. Lee was actually against mixing JKD with other martial arts & he also didn't believe in grappling in actual fighting.
@@jagger_claw
Yes he did, his own Tao of JKD specifically points out to be an effective fighter in any style of fighting art, 3 tools are indispensable;
boxing, grappling, (he used the term wrestling) and footwork (at the time he was using fencing to develop his rapid foot movement)
@@tropicvibeHere's the letter written by Bruce Lee to Jerry Poteet after he tried to mix JKD with some other martial art!
'X' is Jeet Kune Do 'Y' is the style you will represent. To represent & teach 'Y' one should drill its members according to the preaching of 'Y'. This is the same with anyone who is qualified & has been approved to represent 'X'. To justify by interfusing 'X' & 'Y' is basically the denying of 'Y'....but still calling it 'Y'. A man as you put it, Is one who is able to stick to the road he has chosen. A garden of roses will yield roses, & a garden of violets will yield violets. - Bruce Lee [To Jerry Poteet]
As you can see Lee was against mixing fine wine [JKD] with dirty water. [Other arts]
@siddified
"Fencing develops quick footwork and flexibility, which leads to strength and endurance. Fencing footwork exercises are designed to train muscles to alternate between small steps and explosive movements".
@siddified
Sorry, close but no cigar buddy. And I quote from several sports publications;
"The primary benefit of fencing for self-defence is that it allows you to maintain a safe distance from your attacker while still being able to defend yourself. This is especially important in situations where physical contact with the attacker would be dangerous or impossible. Fencing also provides an opportunity to practice defensive strategies such as parrying and counter-attacking which are useful in real-life scenarios, be it armed or unarmed combat".
Goldenbell Training awesome video bro I love it. 🔥🔥🔥💯☯️
I remember watching Bruce Lee during the mid 1960s in the Green Hornet TV series. His fight speed is legendary.
@siddified . HAHa!!!! Ya' think???
@@HardHardMaster you punch air on your channel. a-i-r
@@HardHardMaster you're like a guy playing air guitar who thinks they're a musician, incredible😂
@@youngornitier Long after he is dead, Bruce Lee will continue to be admired and serve as a source of inspiration whereas Siddi won't even be remembered as an ignorant troll.
@@HardHardMaster he plays for real guys! maybe post videos of sparring then instead of air karate, sensei
He mastered the art of fighting without fighting Martial artist yes fighter no
You don't even know what the word "martial" means do you?🤣
Thank you and I mean it, thank you Brother for keeping this man's life and legacy alive after all these years. You deserve an award for staying true to your convictions. Goldenbell Training is the best in lightning site on u-tube for truthism about the Master Bruce Lee.
There are several paths to becoming the greatest. Path No. 1 - Slog it out and let your body get beat up while winning/losing and retaining "titles". No. 2 - Fight for a short time and never be beaten. No. 3 - Creating the perception you are the greatest through demonstrations, and technical prowess. No 4. - No. 3 plus continue to inspire others and enhance your perception through other mediums (movies, and coaching). Bruce Lee chose his path - a path of inspiration, training, teaching others, choreographing fight scenes and demonstrating his athletic and martial arts prowess. Was he the best fighter? We don't know. Was he an exemplar in his time? Yes. Was he ahead of his time? Of course.
Lee was a martial artist buddy, he had no interest in swimming in pools. [sport fighting] he actually wanted to swim in the sea with the waves & sharks. [real fighting]
@ Goldenbell Training I really appreciate your videos. Good info 👍🏾
I get it. He wasn't focused on trying to win matches, belts, etc. he just wanted to get his philosophy out there. He was a superior athlete! 👍🏾
Bruce Lee believed in REAL combat NOT tournaments. Joe Lewis karate champion said Lee could hit like a heavy weight..! Jim Kelly karate champion said - " Bruce Lee was untouchable!" Lee was 145 lbs only.. he was human lighting NO doubt! 🪙🪙🪙🪙🪙
He passed unfortunately in 1973
The fact that we’re discussing a fake, and just an actor by some critics as pertaining to his skill set is amusing, because if one does an internet search on who is considered a great all time martial artists.
He’s always number 1, or in the top 10.
Maybe all these people who voted for a GOAT were on LSD.
U think?
Bruce Lee emphasized real combat for JKD life or death situations, but you have to remember that Bruce Lee also supported tournament fights as well. He just didnt support point sparring, but he was incredibly supportive of ideas like kickboxing or MMA. He wanted JKD to do well in high level competitions.
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@@HardHardMaster he did not base JKD on point sparring. Literally kickboxing in 1970 first full contact fight ever was Joe Lewis using Bruce Lee's JKD.
@@jkdfighter4964 Bruce Lee s student clearly said Lee attended tournaments to watch their mistakes and he demonstrated his JKD with FULL GEAR equipment. He did NOT believe in high kicks he did that sometimes to thrill the crowd only and in filming.. even after 50 years NO one can match his skills.. he enjoyed Thai fighters and there is enough proof TKD fighters LOST to thai fighters.. it is on RUclips that kick boxers KOd taekwondo TKD fighters !!
Hey great video. I learned more knowledge about Bruce more than ever on this channel. Jun fan JKD was my first martial art I trained in and I have inspiration on becoming a certified instructor in JDK and overall a better martial artist.
Know what "reaction lag time" is?
@@jagger_claw No???
@@rasfetari4759The guy that taught you Bruce Lee's JKD didn't teach you that? Well mate it looks like you've been scammed.
@@jagger_claw well I’m willing to grow as a martial artist so if you have any insights please feel free to share them
@@HardHardMaster okay any suggestions on the best way to go? Hopefully we all helping each other to be better martial artists than just pointless comments.
I don't want to sound like I'm bashing Bruce Lee but I was once a huge fan. I read books written by him and about him. His one-inch punch is just a push done more to demonstrate the power of putting your hip into your punching. Many of the techniques Bruce laid out in his books for certain situations aren't the best moves. Other martial arts have better techniques to use in the same situation. As for full-contact tournament fighting, I believe Bruce feared losing the invincibility of his movie persona. He had a huge ego and a short temper. People tend to forget that he choreographed his fight scenes, making his character seemingly superhuman and unbeatable. If he were to lose a real fight or win with difficulty it would tarnish that movie mystique. This is why I have more respect for Chuck Norris. He proved himself in the ring. He fought professionally.
Chuck Norris didn't prove himself in the ring 🤣
Hilarious how everyone has the answers, but not the facts.
@@HardHardMasterGrow up.
@@james1795He won't he's forever young.🤣
@@GoldenbellTraining Neither did Bruce
@@james1795 What is your favourite real fight of Bruce that you have seen ??
Don't forget to reply or it will look like you are the one that needs to grow up.
Look, Bruce Lee was just an actor, not a fighter. He had talent for martial arts and the wisdom to try to merge and adapt them and their most effective techniques to his own style and to a better fighting system. But he never competed. Thus, those theories couldn't be put to the test ever.
What is really tested is real mixed martial arts, proven in combat. If Bruce Lee is a legend is because all the films and youthful death. He was a martial artist, not a fighter. Coreographies are not fights.
It sounds like you have it all figured out 🤔
@@GoldenbellTraining He is right though.
@@RichardVemvillveta Well Jim Kelly just said he was untouchable, he might not have been a "fighter" but he could still fight.
I think Chuck Norris said he only beat him once.
He might not be the best today, but back then he was 50 years ahead of everyone else in the world.
Very true 👍
Are you Thai, if you don't mind me asking?
@@GoldenbellTraining yes
Any boxer would have pieced him up. Any wrestler would have held him down.
He didn't compete in karate, bjj, muay thai, boxing, wrestling, judo or literally any of the other contemporary martial arts competitions of the day. His priority was on education and film, and not on fighting.
He didn't consider any of them to be martial arts to begin with, martial means war so martial art means "the art of war." Lee was a martial artist & he had no interest in playing silly games with rules & regulations. [sport fighting]
@@jagger_claw what a convenient excuse
Bruce was Just ahead of the times legend. Excellent video man
Doesn't matter. Bruce Lee was a real fighter before the acting success and him being a real fighter is what got him the success in the first place.
Bruce literally trained and trained with the best competitors and champions of the time. They all were aware and vocal about his abilities. People nowadays dont realize how little exposure and low popularity martial arts competitions were. Nothing compared to main stream UFC, video games, and movies today. Bruce knew he could beat any of the top fighters of the day but there was no progress with that. He wanted to show the world about China and martial arts. Only media could do that. In order to do showcase that and still progress as a human through mental and physical exercise, he chose to pass on those tournaments which didnt really reflect real life combat. People who say he was an actor or artist is clueless of his power and skills. There is NO ONE to this day that moves like Bruce or has his same functional strength pound for pound. He did everything by himself as well. All the writing, movies, exhibitions, training, productions. People forget how hard it was to get simple things done in those days without cell phones and internet. Things took time. This man never slept and used every second to showcase his ability. He is the greatest physical specimen that ever lived in my opinion. No fancy equipment, enhancing drugs, trainers, etc. Just insane dedication and discipline. Dont ever disrespect the truest grandmaster.
Great video! All karate tournaments in the USA during the sixties were Point Sparring completions. You had to compete outside of the USA for more realistic Sparring. Like Mas Oyama's Kyokushin karate tournaments. Those tournaments were also started in the late sixties. At least Kyokushin tournaments focused on a more realistic way of fighting. Point Sparring in the sixties was never full contact and it's still is NOT today in 2024. Point Sparring is also called Non Contact Karate. Hearing Chuck Norris constantly say. I was World Middle Weight Champion. Is like saying I'm world middle weight champion of shadow boxing. Point sparring is a glorified game of tag. Bruce Lee said point sparring is like trying to swim on dry land. Bruce Lee was great no matter what point sparring people like to say. Playing Tag ain't gonna help you win a fight in the streets.
There's a big difference fighting with rules and no rules it transforms the fight
@@HardHardMasterWhy an untrained person? What if the street fighter is also well trained?
@@HardHardMasterIt's not that complicated the sport fighter would most likely be smoked by the real fighter.
@@jagger_claw false.
@@jagger_claw the well trained are usually sport fighters.
@@cuzz63Well trained in what cuzz, fighting with rules & regulations. Compared to Bruce modern sport fighters are pathetic at best.
people that say he just an actor are haters that dont understand anything about hard work of he mind, body soul
Or the street fighting he did in Hong Kong.
Bruce lee wasn't "JUST" anything
the word "JUST" and "BRUCE LEE" should not be used in the same sentence
even if bruce was going for a cup of coffee
he wasn't "JUST" going for a cup of coffee
he WAS "Going for a cup of coffee"
@@martinkuliza just haters they are
@@KojiLocks
hmm indeed
a Jedi craves not these things.
They are reckless
Long-time Bruce Lee fan here. If I could really place myself in Bruce Lee's shoes, I wouldn't have competed either.
But, say, I was Bruce Lee. To me competition, with my life so busy and yet unfulfilled, would be a nonstarter, and also for the ff. extra or supporting-no pun intended-reasons:
1. I'd mastered "the art of fighting without fighting" and even written books about it;
2. I wanted to gain more converts to my own art-and not make enemies-and, with life being short, regularly competing just didn't fit in my growth and greater vision as a human being;
3. A child actor, I wanted to break into the world screen very fast, and more friends meant more people to watch me and make me financially secure (I had my own struggles, too);
4. I was a husband and father with three mouths to feed-not to mention my own;
5. Lastly, but not the least, I wanted my parents, other loved ones, and friends to be proud of me.
And besides, since I knew I could beat everybody up, there wouldn't be any fun or glory in it. 🙂
It's not that complicated Bruce had no interest in playing silly games with rules & regulations. [Sport fighting] He trained for the real deal. [self-defense]
@@HardHardMaster Spoken like a true Bruce Lee hater, and very shallow at that! Go deeper, my friend.
@@HardHardMasterLittle correction there candle master, "he wasn't a sport figher." There I fixed it for you. Btw Lee's personal life has nothing to do with the topic at hand. Bruce Lee was a really mean guy you know blah blah blah......😴
@@HardHardMaster How come ur so angry?
@@HardHardMaster You seem to know so much about Bruce Lee-as though you were a witness to how he lived. Or, are you just judging the man from what others said about him? And why have this too personal animosity toward Bruce Lee? Just like another dude here. Perhaps you and he are the type to pump up your ego at the expense of others? From my experience, people like you are so unfulfilled in life. Illumine me about your character. Why are you so hateful against a dead man? Successful and happy people don't act like you two.
Bruce Lee openly stated that he thought tournaments were a waste of his time. The only person he was in competition with was himself. And he made more money from his dojos and acting than he ever could have from tournaments. If Bruce Lee was held to modern day standards of tournaments he wouldn't ever have been noticed even though he could absolutely rip any fighter alive today to pieces.
You knocked it out of the park again Prince. Chuck Norris again though can't tell the truth how great Bruce really was. I know Jim Kelly was talking about him when he mentioned who Bruce sparred with. All these clowns who said that Chuck and others were real fighters never did hand-to-hand fighting on the streets, let alone sparred full contact. Bruce Lee to this day is the only martial artist of his level to have actual real fights. He constantly was challenged his whole life with "real fights" not point crap. His fight with Wong Jack Man alone was a challenge for him to stop teaching kung fu to non-Chinese. When questioned he said there are no rules. Well, after that epic fight, he kept teaching whoever he wanted to teach. He put everything on the line and owned it. Would the karate guys of the day put up or shut up back then? To be honest, the guys who talked trash about Bruce after he died were Caucasians who resented the fact that this little Chinese man was stealing their thunder and students including Ed Parker whose students were leaving in droves to train with Bruce. I used to be a Chuck Norris fan until I watched him on countless interviews put himself in the same class as Bruce and always saying he was the champ and Bruce never fought in tournaments. Bruce also never owned a Black Belt but here we are still talking about him. Drop the Mic.
Now that was some serious info, and I agree with everything you broke down. Respect to you bruh
Bruce Lee was a street fighter , ain't no rules in real life.
What is your favourite real fight of bruce that you have seen ?
What's funny is that almost to a man, haters who put Bruce Lee down aren't trained or experienced martial artists of his generation who have sparred with him or witnessed him perform up close. Conversely, here in this video, we see that most of Bruce's contemporaries who are highly skilled in other martial arts disciplines have nothing but the greatest regard for his skill.
And none of those experienced martial artists of his generation has said they saw him fight for real
Brilliant video!
I really enjoyed this 😊
And to think some people still think Bruce Lee was only an actor 🤔
He was the best!
He didn’t enter any tournaments because people were so impressed with his parlor tricks he had nothing to gain. Can’t lose if you don’t compete.
Why would he even enter in the first place? 🤔
@@HardHardMaster why enter a tournament if bruce could have been an expert punching candles at home?
Despite Bruce being my hero when I was in high school, I'd have to acknowledge that his magical short punch was just bs to wow the audience. It simply involved the physics of momentum.
I would have to say that you would need a great amount of instantaneous tension to overcome the inertia on which the force is being acted upon, to the degree that he was able to achieve. Casuals would just push and sure the person may recede backwards that may amount to low speed of momentum, that’s the bs you talk about that even you can do. But what Bruce could do is the next next level, he would be able violently accelerate through your body before it had a chance to catch itself sending you reeling backwards, all from a man whom is believed to be diminutive in comparison, yet martial artists would be in disbelief and wonder themselves knowing the true magical force that they felt first hand
@@legin2096 Think cue ball vs. billiard ball. If you watch closely, Bruce is not just punching; he's also pushing. If the guy wasn't just standing there, but was in a more ready position, Bruce wouldn't be able to push him into the chair. No magic, just circus level performance for a crowd by a master showman.
That 1 inch punch just looks like him pushing someone to my eyes.
@@HardHardMaster "It's a parlor trick, aimed at gullible noobs."
That's a little unfair. The lesson of the one-inch punch is that the real power comes from everywhere but the arm. It's meant to look impossible to "noobs" who think punching power comes from arm strength.
@@HardHardMaster "it's not a fight technique."
I agree, it's not. It's a demonstration of mechanics.
"Even if to demonstrate kinetic chain, it's still a parlor trick."
It is a parlor trick, but the point isn't just the trick. Someone who thinks punching power comes from arm strength is supposed to see this and ask how it's possible with no arm movement. The answer is that the whole rest of his body generates the power, and the hand just transmits it.
Its a demo, not a fighting technique. Bruce really knew how to sell a demo and turned it into a parlor trick by placing the chair for them to fall onto.
Punches are pushes using knuckles
@@HardHardMaster That parlor trick was the point. "Noobs" would fail miserably trying to do it until they finally figured out how it works. At that point they'd understand the basics like having a solid base and power generation. I bet you yourself could do it too because you already know how to fight. But if you didnt you'd never make that trick work.
It's outdated today but 60 years ago it was cutting edge.
Bruce was exceptionally fast and powerful. The flow and control of his movements were phenomenal. These alone would make him win hands down
Bruce Lee was American by birth, but was practically an immigrant as when he moved back, he had to learn a new way of life. He had to earn money. Entering tournaments would have had little incentives for him when he earned loads for teaching high profile actors like James Coburn, Steve Mcqueen, Kareem Abdul Jabbar, Sharon Tate, etc. He would charge a hefty sum to actually deter them. But, he gave in because they really wanted the lessons. Bruce Lee had no style, the father of MMA, so even then, there wasnt an MMA tournament. Not saying he would even compete then but it was just the times in which it was more important to put food on the table. This is evident when he became a father at 25 which must have affected his decisions.
One inch punch was actually a push and the person pushed was a willing cooperator stood in a square stance. He’s the first McDojo.
I would somewhat disagree. It all depends on where you are hit with his 1 inch punch; if it’s set up chest high like in the video yes, it will knock you back like a push - however, as someone who, in my younger days training volunteered to be the recipient of a 1 inch punch demonstration given by Danny Lane at a seminar, trust me when I tell you if it’s set up lower than chest height, it will immediately double you over and make you feel like you wanna puke on the spot. Pretty devastating. So it’s most certainly not just a push.
Everyone who doesn’t believe in Bruce Lee keeps associating him to the typical stereotype Asian kung fu Karate fighter. He is on a whole different level folks.
IF Donnie Yen could put a group of thugs in a hospital then Bruce Lee CAN do even more than him
Cause he was a actor. Next?
He was actually a fighter. The top tournament fighters of the day learned many things from Bruce. Even Joe Lewis left tournament point fighting to apply what Bruce taught him in kickboxing.
Simple answer is he didn't need to. He had a career without fighting. Can't fault him for that.
It's sport mate not "real" fighting. Lee preferred swimming in the sea with waves & sharks [real fighting] to swimming in the pool. [sport fighting]
@@jagger_claw Well like Golden Bell made light of.......more money in movies and training top guys.
Anyway it is not too put down or prop up any form of combat sports but fact is Bruce was trying to be successful.
@@mizukarateThere was zeo financial gain in street fighting but he still did it anyway & even after becoming famous & making a lot of money he still accepted challenges.
"You know money comes second." - Bruce Lee
@@HardHardMaster Look Im not fan boy of Bruce. In fact I have been critical of him in general for many reasons. Anyway my point is Bruce did not have to be in tournaments to make a living or have a martial arts career.
Look Claw and Sidd......I don't disagree with much of your points. The reality is that there are many ways to make a living as a martial artist. Many ways to skin a 🐱.
Best boxer and martial artist all-time Bruce Lee was the high school boxing champion 🏆🥇💯 he started karate second 🥈
There is only one reason why someone who claims to be one of the best fighters in the world wouldnt compete for everyone to see, I'll leave that reason to you to guess, its quite easy to answer lol.
Compete where in sport fighting?🤣
@@jagger_claw What other kind of fighting is there? If hes a killer in the streets like most of you claim, where are all these bodies at lol
No matter how much the Bruce Lee haters want to put him down, it's always about Bruce that people still talk about. Video after video is released about practitioners from the past and present who fought or fight in the ring who have the greatest admiration for Bruce and his legacy. Not for Jet Li or Donnie Yen or Jackie Chan. Bruce. He must have been so much more than an "actor" He was first and foremost a martial artist. And people like Benny Urquidez and Joe Lewis who is considered the greatest karate/kickboxer of all time revered him. What is your fight status to think you know beter than these guys??? Have you even ever kicked a bag??? Or just self acclaimed know it alls
People said Bruce was not fighter, yet people called him the father of MMA 😭
To him fighting was NOT SPORT, BUT REALITY. People are hurt and killed when it is real
I think you are the one who doesn't understand reality.
@@HardHardMasterI think more people probably lose their life by tripping & falling.🤣
What is your favourite real fight of Bruce that you have seen ?
@@stevo62fulNO REAL FIGHT could be my favorite. NO ONE EVER WINS. Fights are indeed a fact of life, a very sad and destructive fact.
It is also true that to secure peace, one must prepare to fight. This is another sad, yet necessary truth.
Mike Stone didn't want people to know Lee was instructing him. His ego is what destroyed his friendship with Lee and Mike Stone never got into the entertainment industry as a result 😮😮😮
That was a very enjoyable and informative video. Your voice is perfect for narrating action - it keeps you focused and moves along the story you are telling without distracting one. You also have managed to present, portray Bruce in a no nonsense and balanced fashion - devoid of fanboy hyperbole.
I think that Bruce would be the man - who if I had a boy who wanted to be a martial artist - that I would, if Bruce were alive - that I would move heaven and earth to convince to teach my boy; no matter what it cost.
With so many, many of the top martial artists in the world - including Michael Jai White saying that no one was better than Bruce - I dare say that one's faith in him would be justified.
Thank you for putting together this excellent and insightful portrait of a man who was possibly THE best? Ever?
Thanks for watching 👊
He didn't compete because he could hurt his brand.
@@HardHardMaster YOU LOVE KOK DON'T YOU
very simple. There was no money and its all based on rigid point systems that Bruce could exploit easily. No real challenge. Bruce was just amazing.
@@HardHardMaster yeah he should have challenged a candle on a table like a real fighter
Because he's not a karate fighter. There, saved you 8 minutes.
As someone that competed extensively at one time I completely agree that tournaments did not reflect real fighting ability. Americanized martial arts were focused extensively on people not getting hurt, or even bruised, which really is just a game of tag. Which is why the last part of any tournament often revolved around a series of bouts in which noses and ribs got broken with great regularity as "touch contact" was thrown out in favor of "I'll try to not hurt you too badly." These competitions were open to all black belts, but others could gain admission with the consent of the black belts. No women ever entered these bouts, even though the #1 and #2 nationally ranked female black belts were regularly part of the other events.
It's been decades since I competed regularly, so I have no idea if the hard contact bouts continued past my era of participation. My later school didn't focus on tournament fighting as our founder/instructor was a formerly ranked full-contact fighter.
This video is accurate and echo's what others like Joe Lewis said on multiple occasions. Joe said, and I'm paraphrasing, that when Bruce hit you, it felt like a heavyweight blow. He said his speed was amazing and he was the real deal. Joe felt the same way about point fighting as Bruce. That's why Lewis decided to become a full-contact kick boxer. Joe was a tough guy in his own right. He was not someone you'd want to challenge in the ring or on the street, and neither was Bruce Lee.
I think too many people conflate his dominating on screen fights with his real fighting abilities. The truth is he was probably a good fighter, he did have some experience street fighting. But would he be a match for Chuck Norris? No, he would probably would lose badly. Chuck Norris was the real deal back in his day. His real skill was teaching martial arts, acting, choreographing fight scenes for movies. Not fighting.
I have need a martial artist for 40 years. I used to idolize Bruce Lee but the fact remains that he was NOT a fighter! He was a showman. Anyway, Not one of his contemporaries would seriously fight him because they were too afraid of losing face. Joe Lewis was a true badass. Bruce Lee was a true badass. And jeet kun do is a spin off of wing Chun. I think if he were to have really fought a seasoned fighter he probably would have lost in a controlled competition environment; and he could have one, too, if he managed to side kick the crap out of his opponent and doing it with one kick. But Bruce Lee was no fighter. He was a martial ARTIST.
Jeet Kune Do isn't a spinoff of wing chun, his philosophy was to use moves from what ever style that best suits the physiology of the body type of the individual person and use what works best. He realized if you only stick to one style you are limiting your capabilities, and everyone naturally is different. For example, Bruce does use a lot of wing chun in his personal style, but his foot movement came from fencing and his counter punches came from boxing. Someone bigger might incorporate more judo and grappling or muay thai moves. It's very similar to MMA and it is bassically known that MMA came from Jeet Kune Do.
@Kev32411 first. Jeet kun do is not anything close to modern day MMA; just go to a jeet kun do academy, and you will see for yourself. Second, in his time, there was no shortage of people practicing different disciplines and trying to invent cross-over arts, but he ws not one of them. It's true. What you say in terms of Lee saying you must take and use the best of all martial arts. But what did he achieve; his own martial art that sounds good on paper, a badass movie carrer, and super powerful strikes. I seriously doubt he had formidable skill in other martial arts and we can only say he was intermediate, at best , in wing Chun; he started when he was 16 and only a few years later moved to the states. Because, if you notice when anyone spoke about Lee, Joe Lewis, Chuck Norris, etc, they only spoke about how fast and strong he was. It was never that he was an expert wing Chun martial artist. And if someone did, they didn't know what they were talking about. It takes at least a decade to become an expert in any martial arts unless you are a prodigy. Lee wasn't a prodigy in wing Chun. He was a prodigy in speed and strength because he spent almost 20 years building his reflexes, speed, and hitting power up. That is undeniable. And if he hit someone, they would become astonished at how a 135lb guy could hit like a heavy weight. But come on. Look at the tapes of him training his technique was only so good but his power, speed and reflexes is what left anyone who meet him in awe. He wasn't lying when he said, 'The key to immortality is first living a life worth remembering.'
@eleazarsoto7830 Actually no, most people in Bruce Lee's time were actually trained only in one martial arts style and they were obsessed with what style is the best. Many grudge matches were based on trying to prove what art was better. His philosophy was to be like water, essentially meaning use any style or movements necessary to defeat your opponent because restricting yourself to one style leaves you vulnerable. MMA is only different because it has rules, JKD has no rules.
@Kev32411 well, you're not wrong. It was a philosophy. But you cannot say, without being wrong, that jkd doesn't have rules. That's just ignorant.
@eleazarsoto7830 MMA has rules you have to abide by like no hits to the back of the head and you can't grab peoples shorts, can't kick/knee to the head if they are on the ground and that sort of stuff. Timed rounds. JKD has certain principles that you stick to when training butbthey are not rules. It's not meant for point fighting or competition. Eye gouges and groin shots and stuff like that are allowed because it's based on street fighting where there's no round time limit and you are fighting for your life, basically.
He was never a fighter…..a fighter fights, period. There is no footage, this is the show me era
The fanboys don't like cold hard facts. They like to stay in their fantasy world.
Plenty of fights happen without video recording, even today. REAL fights
@@RKmndo yeah , but he recorded training sessions…but not fights. Meanwhile in the other side of the world a certain family is recording fight after fight after fight…..this was a movie star, a person used to recording things, yet no real fight footage. He was an amazing martial artist,but so was Jackie Chan.. who did Bruce Lee fight? There has to be at least one alive….yet no one comes forward
@@johnnythepillpopper1974Fight after fight after fight? Or match after match after match?
Matches aren't fights.
I've been in many fights. I worked as a bouncer during college.
Watching Lee's training/demonstration videos, and reading his literature, an experienced FIGHTER can tell that Lee had the speed, power, and knowledge to easily decimate most people on the street.
With his speed, precision, knowledge of anatomy, and power...How difficult do you think it would have been for him to destroy...in quick succession...somebody's lead leg with a side kick, lead radius bone with a hammerfist, eyes with a tiger-style gouge, and then C-spine with a knifehand?
His speed and power could take out a lead leg and lead forearm before somebody even got within jabbing or grappling range...and that's using JUST his striking ability.
@@RKmndo fine, live your fantasy
I think that the reason he didn’t compete was that he viewed martial arts as self defence rather than sport.
@@HardHardMasterstill at it? 🤣 go for a walk.
@@axelstone3131 Still not named that real fight of Bruce that you have seen ? Go for a walk fanboy, and come back when you have an answer 🤣
Bruce was the best! Of course there will always be haters who have plenty to say about him after death. Truth is he deserves his flowers for all his hard work and contribution to the martial arts in general. How many generations got involved in martial arts because of him? He was an exceptional martial artist and I take not away from other champs. But let’s face it.. Bruce Lee was phenomenal. Tournaments have rules the streets don’t. And those that say they would not feel a punch from him, I would have loved to see that in real time.
Pretty simple and common sense. Bruce Lee's Jeet kune do never follow competition rules. It was designed to defend yourself in a streetfight.😂😂😂
Soooo never compare a competition fights with rules to a streetfight self-defence without rules. Only dumb and stupid martial artists do that.
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I’m sure some members from the UFC would disagree.
With what?
Disagree with what? No one said he could win in a modern MMA tournament today or even 30 yrs ago. This was the 60s and point karate was ridiculous. They award points for strikes that would have potentially landed, yes! not actually landed for safety reason
Bruce would wreck any MMA fighter today.
@@shawnpaquette5835 Ummmmmm.....NO!
@@freehaven1 Why not? The only reason today's MMA fighters are as good as they are is from practicing the same crap Bruce Lee put into JKD! lol
Striking? He incorporated Wing Chun, Boxing, Karate, and Muay Thai into JKD. Don't MMA fighters practice these styles? We know Anderson Silva and Tony Ferguson for certain incorporated Wing Chun in their styles.
Grappling? There is extensive grappling from both Wrestling and Judo incorporated into JKD.
Submissions? JKD has the standard BJJ subs and even all the illegal joint manipulation subs not used in MMA.
If he competed in MMA today he'd do the exact same thing these other guys did. The truth is JKD is exactly what you all want from MMA anyway: No bullshido techniques, only what's effective from each martial art.
I trained with some of Lee’s students. Most namely Larry Hartsell. Larry was already a jr instructor under Ed Parker before he started training with Bruce. He had stories about people coming into the dojo to challenge Bruce. Larry was usually the guy Bruce had fight on his behalf because he was so tough. But depending on the level of disrespect the challenger had coming in. Bruce would accept the challenge personally and while the floor with these guys. Every time!
@@axelstone3131Do you need to go back to time with a phone camera?
All students say the same thing about their master.
@@magadexaba6108 you guys will never be happy with anything about Bruce Lee. Get a hobby.
@@axelstone3131 "Get a hobby." - ouch!!!! 😭🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
There is another very basic simple reason that he would never admit... getting into competitions where he might lose could only harm the legendary image he was developing. This is not to say he could not have competed and potentially won, but to take the risk only had downsides, because even fighting against someone and beating them, but barely beating them, would have significantly diminished the mythological legend he was building around himself.
It wouldn't surprise me, if, in 40 years time ( I doubt I'll be around ) some/too many, people will say, Keanu Reeves would have been a great MMA fighter
Thanks for this one, as there has been a lot of talk in recent years about who could beat Bruce Lee,......now that he's long dead. LOL! His student Jesse Glover who was a 4 time Judo champion said he could not beat Bruce at all. His other student 220 lb + boxer, brawler James DeMile, also said Bruce Lee could easily beat him and until recently would challenge people to spar him who said they could have beaten Bruce. As far as I know, there were no takers and he still lives and teaches right over in Hawaii. Easy to find.🤣. Bob Wall challenged Steven Seagal to a fight after Seagal said he could beat Bruce Lee in an interview saying "If you could beat Bruce Lee, you should be able to make quick work of me". Seagal didn't want none of it, after all that talk. LMAO! It is what it is. People trying to pump up their egos, careers and reputation off of a man who died in the 70's and nobody during that time ever having the nerve to challenge him to a televised fight during that time, and they could have easily done so. As far as I'm concerned they need to shut it up.
What is your favourite real fight of Bruce that you have seen ?
Movies were bigger and paid way more. Why grind and fight for a couple of hundred dollars when he can make millions from movies.
And that is why he cannot be proclaimed a fighting god. Only immature fanboys would consider a guy with a zero credible fight record, and they have never seen fight, to be superhuman. It boggles the mind.
@@stevo62ful Of course very mind boggling for you, who don't know or want to know about the fights of Bruce Lee. Given the abundance of well-researched biographies on Lee, it would be prudent to familiarize yourself with the existing literature before offering any comments. Making uninformed or superficial remarks without a proper understanding of the subject matter is not advisable.
@@rhlng What is your favourite real fight of Bruce that you have seen ?
@@stevo62ful Why you ask?
@@rhlng You think Bruce was a fighting god, so you must have sen him fight for real ! So I ask again. What is you favourite real fight of Bruce that you have seen ??
The 1inch punch is against someone standing with their feet parallel.
Excellent point by point analysis. Hope you and the family are all smiles. Lvya brother
Yeah and it's because nobody would have a chance against Bruce and it's all about the speed , I mean during filming they asked him to slow down because the camera's of the day couldn't keep up
I've read about that.
I have also read about the exact opposite. That cameras were sped up, and frames were removed from the film to make him appear faster.
Take your pick on which to believe.
The other actors had to move at low speed, to look "normal" when they sped up the camera.
Not only would Bruce Lee have dominated the Karate Championships of the late 60s and 70s, he would have also dominated the MMA in later years.
Bruce Lee's training videos show his skills weren't that good
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@@aliensyndrome4280Keep dreaming
Only in his weight class. Put him in the old open weight tournaments and he would not have beaten large skilled opponents. He was exceptional but not superhuman.
@@kelvintahiru3499 watch the training videos as they speak for themselves
Great vid. Thanks
No money. Doesn’t progress his skillset, isn’t reflective of reality and too limited. Also he didn’t care about labels like “champion” or cheap trophies. Waste of time.
"Doesn’t progress his skillset"
If he's a martial artist, yes it does. At bare minimum, there's performing live and under pressure. That's a real-life skill, and a martial arts skill. And that's not even getting into the specific skills like controlling how much stamina you burn in a multi-round full-contact fight. Or knowing how to set up power hits. Or dealing with opponents you haven't seen before. Or even in point sparring, you still work on timing, positioning, and deception. The idea that he was above it all and had nothing to gain is a joke.
"isn’t reflective of reality and too limited."
This is a cheap copout. You can literally say that about any competition, any drill, any type of training. Even real-life, actual combat can be criticized because real fights aren't fair, so the whole thing is limited to unbalanced situations. You're seriously telling me this guy is OK with sparring his own students as a way to train, but competing against champions is not realistic? Sure, Jan.
"Also he didn’t care about labels like “champion” or cheap trophies."
He obviously did because he constantly went around saying how he was the best. His personal brand was a big asset in his career.
the only thing that keeps me up at night is how Bruce would've held up with Muay Thai practitioners