Great bow. I love how in-depth you go, focusing on the granular details and showing us if they are actually worth their weight in terms of price or of you’re just purchasing an over priced bow that doesn’t actually shoot fps as advertised. Loving what you’re doing and I really like elite’s. Wanting to make sure I’m getting the value of what the product actually says I’m getting and this channel helps tremendously with that. Thanks! And to hell with the internet gods! 😂 cheers, from Georgia.
Should point out that the new cam on this bow is not like last year's Envision cam. Totally different adjustment features on this new SP Cam than last year's model.
Love your vids. I switched over to elite last year for the benefit of my fixed broadheads. I think my enkore may need to go and be replaced with the Omnia. I still like my envision so will probably keep that one.
I’ve seen others chrono bare shaft and regular knock this might get you closer to the advertised speeds. I really like this bow if I could afford it this would be my next bow for sure
I mentioned on your 365 target video earlier today how I’m pumped to see the review of the omnia, I didn’t realize I’d be blessed with it so soon after. I shoot all major bow brands, but my home base is and likely will always be elite. I think this bow is going to be great for their line up. Sure would have liked to have seen bridge lock tech though.
I shot the era and the omnia yesterday. I bought the omnia. Its dead, extremely fast, rock solid at full draw and extremely accurate even with a 6" brace height. It's gotta be the grip and wide limbs that make it so accurate. Now the era was super light, plenty fast but not a rocket ship but thats ok. Same grip and limbs of course so the comfort is the same as the omnia. I went with the omnia because it was so accurate even with the short brace height and I just didn't see sacrificing the speed just for a little bit lighter bow that costs 500$ more. Don't get me wrong, the era is a FINE shooting bow but the omnia is just an absolute monster, by far the best bow I've ever shot. Hope this helped
I'd assume it was at 90% letoff as this seems to be Elite's out of the box set up. MFJJ knows what's up with let off, see his 2022 Mathews reviews and the 2022 PSE reviews. For Mathews, the change from 85%>>>80% let off picked up 4fps. For PSE, the same letoff change from 85%>>>80% was about 2fps. Would it matter if his speed test was 339 or 341fps? Would you not test shoot the bow b/c it didn't break 340? MFJJ was clearly impressed by the deadness. The only bow shooting faster was the 74# SR350 replacement bow at 3fps faster on the BT tuned replacement bow. The Elite fans know this bow has the speed this year. I think MFJJ's review is more solid work and all the time into these reviews is appreciated.
From what I understand the more reflex a bow has the less forgiving it will be during the shot sequence. More reflex will amplify your left to right misses. Reflex is how the bow pivots left to right in the hand. I hope I understand that correctly and that my explanation makes sense.
Been thinking about getting an elite and now that they came out with a bow that’s dead in the hands well I might just have to pick this guy up for next season
I always shot Mathews,shot Elite Ritual 33 when it first came out , just to try one , bought that bow and still shooting it, so be careful it could be an expensive shot .😁
Can you take another look at the Omnia and see if you notice any cable rubbing issues after tuning? Your a longer draw like me and no matter what I do, it rubs heavily!
We got them in at my shop, one thing i noticed is without that little 2 inch kicker, that thing has the most vibration out of any bow I've shot in the last 4 or 5 years. Tried it with a bunch of different stabilizers and couldn't tame it without that 2 inch one that they include
This is fact! Hoyt also comes with a stabalizer installed. If you want to shoot true side by side comparisons you need to throw a stabalizer on the other bows you are testing. I did that with the Phase 4, Rx7, both Elites, Cp30 and the carbon one. I left the shop with the carbon one but the Rx7 was a close 2nd. Only difference to me was where the hump in the draw was and I felt the C1 would lurch less holding a draw for long periods.
can you remember if the cams look on pissed angle (relaxed) on the one you tested, the one i got for a customer is bad, top cam is bad the bottom is supper bad? they said to sims the cams, didn't do jack s!
how's the valley and jumpiness if you creep down a smidge? i don't mind a stiff draw, the only thing i dislike about many fast bows is if you relax even slightly then you're out of the valley and they want to take off on you
At 90% letoff it has that feeling of having to push the string forward to let down. Geat valley for a speed bow and the best part is that the letoff is micro adjustable.
@@douglasvaughn9530 awesome...thanks for the detailed replies....right now i have a bowtech revolt on comfort....which to me is like the 308 carbine of the bow world....if i want a standard length 7mm rem mag next year...i'll definitely shoot one of these!
@@MrShysterme it wants to go, but you won't have to fight it. It's definitely a speed bow and it's just the nature of the beast that they want to turn, but as long as you keep a little pressure on it it's fine
@@douglasvaughn9530 I'm running mine about 75-77% let off because I needed about an extra quarter inch draw length on mine so it does want to go a little bit but nowhere near you think it would for as fast as it is. The thing is a fucking rocket ship
It has a smooth mod option that turns it into one of the smoothest bows I've shot and still shoots 335-340fps. It's not that bad on performance either. It's a great option for anyone unless you want a longer ATA or Brace Height.
Get out and shoot them... Out of all the bows last year I shot - The whitetail legend stood out for 1/2 - 1/3 the price !!! It wasn't as refined in riser finish but, it was thee choice for a "hunting" bow... My next choice would've been the Bowtech Or Athens
Yes, there is about a 7fps difference between performance and smooth mods. I've shot it with both mods. The smooth mods turn it into one of the smoothest bows I've shot and it's still as fast or faster than most other bows. In performance it's harder to draw but really not that bad for the speed you get.
No, it's all personal preference. One guy may shoot limb stops better and another may shoot cable stops better. It has alot to do with your style of shooting and how hard you pull into the wall. It's a great thing to have both as an option.
At a guess it looks like the Envision is perhaps a replacement for the Kure, the Omnia is perhaps replacing the Enkore, and on that basis it might be the Remedy's turn next which is unfortunate for me as I own a Remedy. If that is the case then the next bow out might be around 34" ata/31" draw but I'd love to see something with a ~32" max draw
I'm subscribed and following on Instagram but I'm in the UK. Do I even qualify for ur competitions? Because I'm willing to bet I'm not 🤔 a free bow or anything would be life changing for me and my boy.
@@chrississon2646 Haven't tried the Omnia yet, but hope to. Doesn't mean though that it is better, glad you think so. There are compromises in all bows, I've read that the Enkores draw cycle is better in comparison to Omnia. Will wait and see....no Omnia's in Australia yet.
@@hawaiiangunner 70-90 x1% increment... hes asking about 80% because elite says ibo 347 was achieved on 80%... implying you might get a few fps on 70% and the vids lower that advertised speed might be due to shooting 90%... for reference though, last years bear flagship only lost 4fps 90% vs 75%🤷♂️
Not necessarily. The performance “setting” is the mod itself. You can go from 75 to 90% with that mod or the comfort mod and it still won’t necessarily match the advertised number. With that being said, I’ve been shooting archery for 27 years and advertised numbers are rarely ever accurate no matter what the manufacturer is.
Really curious to see how this stacks up against whatever Mathews brings to the table this year. I currently shoot a Vertix, but my daughter has an Elite Ember and it has me seriously considering Elite for my next bow.
@@EntryLvloutdoors Somewhat conflicted. The Omnia doesn't exactly fit my draw length since it only goes to 30" (I need at least a true 30.5, closer to 31). I was close to pulling the trigger on the V3X 33 last year, but the Phase4 definitely answers the question of "How can they improve on this?" Can't imagine spending nearly $3k on a setup, but from everything I've seen, it might just be worth it.
@@EntryLvloutdoors yeah, never shot a Hoyt, but I’m definitely going in for my next bow with a completely open mind and looking more in the 34 ATA range. The Vertix has been the best bow I’ve shot to date, but I do miss how forgiving a longer ATA is.
Great bow. I love how in-depth you go, focusing on the granular details and showing us if they are actually worth their weight in terms of price or of you’re just purchasing an over priced bow that doesn’t actually shoot fps as advertised. Loving what you’re doing and I really like elite’s. Wanting to make sure I’m getting the value of what the product actually says I’m getting and this channel helps tremendously with that. Thanks! And to hell with the internet gods! 😂 cheers, from Georgia.
You're probably one of the only reviews I trust 👍
Should point out that the new cam on this bow is not like last year's Envision cam. Totally different adjustment features on this new SP Cam than last year's model.
Thank you for this.
Thanks for the video Josh.
great video as always!!!!
Well that bow looks like it holds true to its name. Prepared for all things kind of like that Mohawk. 🤘🏼
This bow shoots nice. MFJJ is not kidding when he says it is dead in hand! Would love to upgrade to this bow.
That Elite Omina sounds like its legit. I gotta try one of these out!
You have the best reviews honest about it no beating around the bush
Very good, thank you.
Hoping there is a longer one coming soon. Going to take something special to coax me out of my Traverse.
Right there with ya, I've yet to find a tangible upgrade from my Hoyt Nitrum 34.
Love your vids. I switched over to elite last year for the benefit of my fixed broadheads. I think my enkore may need to go and be replaced with the Omnia. I still like my envision so will probably keep that one.
Really appreciate this guys knowledge and unbiased opinions on all the different bows that come!!!
I’ve seen others chrono bare shaft and regular knock this might get you closer to the advertised speeds. I really like this bow if I could afford it this would be my next bow for sure
Can’t wait to shoot one. Always look forward to your reviews!
Shot one today , probably gonna get one , waiting to see what Bowtech comes out with , but this one is a shooter
Thanks you
Its gonna be a bow and arrow rabbit hole this winter. Cant wait 🤣
They claim the speed is with the 80 % let off is that what you had it set at. Thanks for the review 👊🏻
I mentioned on your 365 target video earlier today how I’m pumped to see the review of the omnia, I didn’t realize I’d be blessed with it so soon after. I shoot all major bow brands, but my home base is and likely will always be elite. I think this bow is going to be great for their line up. Sure would have liked to have seen bridge lock tech though.
Same here love my Elite
Love it good job wish it was 34 I would buy it today
MFJJ rockin da mo hawk, nice
Looks like a pretty good release
Good stuff
Have you been able to get your hands on a PSE omen. Very curious to hear your thoughts on it
I think that would look killer with orange strings!
Really considering a new bow this season. Can’t wait to see what’s coming out and how they compare
what did you get??
A few small changes and they seemed to cure most of the gripes from last years bow.
Great string pluck lol
What do you think about the tuneability of the bow? I wish elite would make color matched limbs
I hope you get the Elite Carbon Era in hand soon. Really looking forward to your review on that one.
I shot the era and the omnia yesterday. I bought the omnia. Its dead, extremely fast, rock solid at full draw and extremely accurate even with a 6" brace height. It's gotta be the grip and wide limbs that make it so accurate. Now the era was super light, plenty fast but not a rocket ship but thats ok. Same grip and limbs of course so the comfort is the same as the omnia. I went with the omnia because it was so accurate even with the short brace height and I just didn't see sacrificing the speed just for a little bit lighter bow that costs 500$ more. Don't get me wrong, the era is a FINE shooting bow but the omnia is just an absolute monster, by far the best bow I've ever shot. Hope this helped
What does the reflex have to do with bow designs? Never heard of it before, thanks
Heading in tomorrow to check it out. Have the 17 Hoyt defiant turbo and need a new upgrade…
I'm still with my '15 Nitrum 34.
Please please review the bear execute 32 this year. Would love to know how it stacks up against the big boys
love my elite Enkore shot Mathews ill stick to my elite after seeing this video.
It will 100 percent make its advertised speeds. You just gotta test it under the correct parameters.
Was the let off dropped to 80, where the ibo came from? Looked like it was still at 90 the way you let it down.
Do you think that the florescent lights could be causing speeds to be slower?
A new bow is very appealing..but I finally got my Elite Ritual( bought from Podium Archery) dialed in. Tough decision
Might have to drive and find an elite dealer to try one!
I'd assume it was at 90% letoff as this seems to be Elite's out of the box set up. MFJJ knows what's up with let off, see his 2022 Mathews reviews and the 2022 PSE reviews. For Mathews, the change from 85%>>>80% let off picked up 4fps. For PSE, the same letoff change from 85%>>>80% was about 2fps. Would it matter if his speed test was 339 or 341fps? Would you not test shoot the bow b/c it didn't break 340? MFJJ was clearly impressed by the deadness. The only bow shooting faster was the 74# SR350 replacement bow at 3fps faster on the BT tuned replacement bow. The Elite fans know this bow has the speed this year. I think MFJJ's review is more solid work and all the time into these reviews is appreciated.
he never tests the Elites at 80 letoff like he does with other bows. Seems like he has a disdain for Elite and doesnt give them a fair test.
Did you find this bow noisier ? I dint get where you measured the Db.
Does the let off options affect the speed?
Great video as always. So what effect does the amount of reflex have on bows?
From what I understand the more reflex a bow has the less forgiving it will be during the shot sequence. More reflex will amplify your left to right misses. Reflex is how the bow pivots left to right in the hand. I hope I understand that correctly and that my explanation makes sense.
Way to go Elite... Fast... dead... and Elite...
Will you test the PSE Omen to compare?
Been thinking about getting an elite and now that they came out with a bow that’s dead in the hands well I might just have to pick this guy up for next season
Go cougs
How does this compare to all the 2023 flagship bows released?
I bought one and the cam lean is ridiculous had to drop it off at the shop hopefully they fix it last elite I'll buy
Need to find a place to try one of one of these days! Never shot an elite before.
I always shot Mathews,shot Elite Ritual 33 when it first came out , just to try one , bought that bow and still shooting it, so be careful it could be an expensive shot .😁
Only real question here is… does the carpet match the new curtains?
Is this bow any louder than others, I feel that the bow may be faster, but if it is louder, it might negate the speed advantage. Your thoughts.
please review the pse omen!
I bought one and it's a pain to tune and get the cables from not rubbing against the mods
Had to shim two thin shims on left and two thick on right
Can you take another look at the Omnia and see if you notice any cable rubbing issues after tuning? Your a longer draw like me and no matter what I do, it rubs heavily!
Assuming the bow was set to 90% let off. Did you speed test it at 70% let off?
Im #1. And shopping for a new hunting bow!
Oh bearded mohawked one!
Was your bow at 80% let off, because Elite does all there speed test at 80%
Grab some coffee, lol. You look tired. Thanks for the content!
We got them in at my shop, one thing i noticed is without that little 2 inch kicker, that thing has the most vibration out of any bow I've shot in the last 4 or 5 years. Tried it with a bunch of different stabilizers and couldn't tame it without that 2 inch one that they include
This is fact! Hoyt also comes with a stabalizer installed. If you want to shoot true side by side comparisons you need to throw a stabalizer on the other bows you are testing. I did that with the Phase 4, Rx7, both Elites, Cp30 and the carbon one. I left the shop with the carbon one but the Rx7 was a close 2nd. Only difference to me was where the hump in the draw was and I felt the C1 would lurch less holding a draw for long periods.
Is residual vibration really that important? At 337 feet per second the arrow should be well away before any vibration effects the shot.
Shot experience. Especially when you shoot a lot. Very important to me
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What’s “reflex” that’s being measured?
can you remember if the cams look on pissed angle (relaxed) on the one you tested, the one i got for a customer is bad, top cam is bad the bottom is supper bad? they said to sims the cams, didn't do jack s!
Review the bear execute 32!!
how's the valley and jumpiness if you creep down a smidge? i don't mind a stiff draw, the only thing i dislike about many fast bows is if you relax even slightly then you're out of the valley and they want to take off on you
At 90% letoff it has that feeling of having to push the string forward to let down. Geat valley for a speed bow and the best part is that the letoff is micro adjustable.
Not jumpy at all.
@@douglasvaughn9530 awesome...thanks for the detailed replies....right now i have a bowtech revolt on comfort....which to me is like the 308 carbine of the bow world....if i want a standard length 7mm rem mag next year...i'll definitely shoot one of these!
@@MrShysterme it wants to go, but you won't have to fight it. It's definitely a speed bow and it's just the nature of the beast that they want to turn, but as long as you keep a little pressure on it it's fine
@@douglasvaughn9530 I'm running mine about 75-77% let off because I needed about an extra quarter inch draw length on mine so it does want to go a little bit but nowhere near you think it would for as fast as it is. The thing is a fucking rocket ship
As a fan of all things archery and bigfoot I must inquire about your shirt. Is that something on your site? If not, where is it?
I see you have no review of the omen. That bow or this bow for a 27.5 DL hunting bow?
So it’s faster than anything with zero vibration? But but but Mathews though? Lol
What was it set at for let off?
Guarantee 90
How’s that draw cycle compared to the Bowtech Solution? Very similar specs
Oh ok
Not bad. I hated last year's grips on the Elites. Are they the same this year?
Build the Frankenstein bow!!!!!!!
Do y’all sell bows for people?
When some one grunts everytime they draw during a test I know that’s not a bow I’ve even considering.
Well on that basis none of the bows MFJJ has tested should be considered 😉
It has a smooth mod option that turns it into one of the smoothest bows I've shot and still shoots 335-340fps. It's not that bad on performance either. It's a great option for anyone unless you want a longer ATA or Brace Height.
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Do you guys carry Bear bows. I'd like to see them honest reviews
Get out and shoot them... Out of all the bows last year I shot - The whitetail legend stood out for 1/2 - 1/3 the price !!! It wasn't as refined in riser finish but, it was thee choice for a "hunting" bow... My next choice would've been the Bowtech Or Athens
Mfjj have you heard about the rubbing from the cables an cams caused by the set technology
So you can swap out the performance for a "smooth" module?
Yes, there is about a 7fps difference between performance and smooth mods. I've shot it with both mods. The smooth mods turn it into one of the smoothest bows I've shot and it's still as fast or faster than most other bows. In performance it's harder to draw but really not that bad for the speed you get.
@@douglasvaughn9530 they don't advertise this swappable module anywhere in the specs not sure why they wouldn't
Is this still the most dead in hand?
Is a limb stop actually more accurate though?
No, it's all personal preference. One guy may shoot limb stops better and another may shoot cable stops better. It has alot to do with your style of shooting and how hard you pull into the wall. It's a great thing to have both as an option.
@@douglasvaughn9530 I know but thanks.
I just want him to expand upon his thought process because it is very misleading.
Tip for the camera operator, dont try to take close ups with wide angle lens, its allmost impossible and you happend to show up on the other camera 🙃.
Kind of disappointed that you didn't adjust the poundage down to 70, at least for the speed test ..
What the hell does the reflex mean?
Elite shoulda have made that bow to hit 31” draw length they should also make one 35” ata
At a guess it looks like the Envision is perhaps a replacement for the Kure, the Omnia is perhaps replacing the Enkore, and on that basis it might be the Remedy's turn next which is unfortunate for me as I own a Remedy. If that is the case then the next bow out might be around 34" ata/31" draw but I'd love to see something with a ~32" max draw
I'm subscribed and following on Instagram but I'm in the UK. Do I even qualify for ur competitions? Because I'm willing to bet I'm not 🤔 a free bow or anything would be life changing for me and my boy.
I’m just here for the giveaway
Elite has been catching my attention,but no 80 pounds concerns me enough to not splurge.
The elite SET System stands for kEep ShooTing just like MFJJ shirt
I'm seeing fine tuned ones shooting faster than the 347
Where?
@@snipersteve378 blue jacket had one shoot 350
@@coltonhurley2525 what draw length and how many grains ?
30/70 350
@@coltonhurley2525 what spline arrow? Im using a 350 spline hunting arrow 29" 70lb @ 329 fps
I wish I could afford to trade my Enkore in for one.
I wouldn't. Love my Enkore, plenty fast enough, and from what I've read thus far, the Enkore draw cycle may be smoother than the Omnia.
The omnia is better , shot one today
@@chrississon2646 Haven't tried the Omnia yet, but hope to. Doesn't mean though that it is better, glad you think so. There are compromises in all bows, I've read that the Enkores draw cycle is better in comparison to Omnia. Will wait and see....no Omnia's in Australia yet.
G'day Josh came over from Elk shape. Appreciate your honest opinions mate.
Did you shoot it at 80 percent letoff?
I thought it was 70 80 and 90%
@@hawaiiangunner 70-90 x1% increment... hes asking about 80% because elite says ibo 347 was achieved on 80%... implying you might get a few fps on 70% and the vids lower that advertised speed might be due to shooting 90%... for reference though, last years bear flagship only lost 4fps 90% vs 75%🤷♂️
@@flip66five ahhhh ty I'm not very bow smart.
He said it was set on performance. So, that would be the ideal setting for the fastest speed.
Not necessarily. The performance “setting” is the mod itself. You can go from 75 to 90% with that mod or the comfort mod and it still won’t necessarily match the advertised number. With that being said, I’ve been shooting archery for 27 years and advertised numbers are rarely ever accurate no matter what the manufacturer is.
What is more rigid
Really curious to see how this stacks up against whatever Mathews brings to the table this year. I currently shoot a Vertix, but my daughter has an Elite Ember and it has me seriously considering Elite for my next bow.
How are you feeling now?
@@EntryLvloutdoors Somewhat conflicted. The Omnia doesn't exactly fit my draw length since it only goes to 30" (I need at least a true 30.5, closer to 31). I was close to pulling the trigger on the V3X 33 last year, but the Phase4 definitely answers the question of "How can they improve on this?" Can't imagine spending nearly $3k on a setup, but from everything I've seen, it might just be worth it.
@@kswolf77 bowtech and Hoyts new 34 ata bows are pretty slick. You could even get a pse carbon 34 and save money
@@EntryLvloutdoors yeah, never shot a Hoyt, but I’m definitely going in for my next bow with a completely open mind and looking more in the 34 ATA range. The Vertix has been the best bow I’ve shot to date, but I do miss how forgiving a longer ATA is.
Wish it was 34 ata..
you are like a sommelier of bows.. js.
You seem so unimpressed. It seems to check most of the boxes for what most people are looking for in a hunting bow. I'll check one out.
Mine has god-awful cam lean
Please for the love of God tell us your speed reviews of Elites are ar 80% let off or not for the sake of the comments lol
Nice bow I would shoot it wt the limb stop.