Gun Owner Helps Police - Then Charged With 2 Felonies?!
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Shooting someone is not a good thing
However sometimes it’s a necessary thing.
But police can mag dump through a window because they see a silhouette or into a cruiser because they heard an acorn fall…
that acorn incident is probably the stupidest police incident i've ever seen in my life
Shooting in a window at a lady who had a gun. Not because they saw her body.
This! I was just about to say the same thing!!!!
I would have took it to court no.Jury of my peers would convict me.
They hate when civilians are better than them at their job with zero training. Only they are responsible is how they think when in reality lawful gun owners break the law less than law enforcement. That’s a fact that should raise everyone’s eyebrow. That’s because we don’t have qualified immunity and a culture that investigates themselves to find no wrong doing.
This hit close to home for me, my daughter helped preventing a rape of a girl in a public parking lot once, with the Glock19 she always carry, and the local PD tried very hard to take away her concealed carry permit after that!
Red or blue state?
@@lonniebeal6032 red, in a blue state they would have probably straight up arrested her
I live in California and I talked to a few people that CCW. They told me that they would not get involved in any conflict where deadly force might be use. Unless it is to defend himself or family. They said that the legal battle you have to deal with after the fact is a nightmare. I agree with them.
Lesson one, don't help cops.
Yep. That's modern police. Just thugs with badges.
And people wonder why spectators stand and watch crimes being committed. Laws protect the criminals.
Bad Guy probably ends up suing good guy for damages to car and Prosecutor testifies for Bad Guy. Bad Guy wins, then bad guy and Prosecutor go have “Lunch” with Fani Willis!
LOL 2:17 😮😢
You got that right
You got that right
Then bad guy steals prosecutors' car. 🙄
Lmao probably
You just perfectly articulated the reason why nobody helps anyone anymore you have to have a law degree and experience to avoid getting your own ass in trouble for doing the right thing
@@rnash-shannon9304yup only protect yourself and your family
Yeah what the other guy said, it really doesn't take a genius to see how bad of an idea this shoot was in every way. Someone that reckless should not be armed in public.
It really wasn't the right thing to do, tho it feels like it's not fair he got in trouble the law protects all life, criminals have the same rights as us, he didn't try to run him over or anything, if the suspect was on foot fleeing and he held him at gun point or wrestled him to the ground he would have been a hero, but to draw a weapon in a city and fire on a passing car is very dangerous and reckless, having a weapon gives you the power to protect life, not to enforce the law, the most important thing to understand is you must be in danger, if you can't say " if I didn't shoot I would have died" it isn't justified
You never shoot at someone fleeing, specially in a car thats stupid and inviting trouble from the state that hates gun owners.
@@rnash-shannon9304 Bingo. You shoot at anyone fleeing away from you, in a leftist city in a leftist state they will come after you.
I have a CCW; I have not been deputized. Without an imminent threat, I will just try to get out of the way. In California there have been too many prosecutions of "good guys". It sucks, but here we are.
I have my CCW in California and you pretty much said everything I was going to write. We are not the police. If the car was trying to run him over that is one thing but it was driving away while he shot.
The only way I would even think about helping a stranger is if they yell I’m a republican. 😂
@@mike8857That's honestly really sad
California different tho. You can do everything right perfectly and still get a felony just because it’s California and they don’t like guns/conservatives/freedoms/etc.
I have mine to, but in a vehicle pursuit I won’t shoot at the suspect vehicle, I’m not that good to hit a moving vehicle in a neighborhood with innocent people around. Unless the suspect is using his weapon as a deadly weapon and coming at me or a third person maybe, but not just to get him to stop. I believe this guy was wreckless in firing his gun.
Before you intercede with deadly force, you better be damn sure you know the whole story!
Right absolutely 3:44 😮!! 3:50
Agreed
That guy had zero business getting involved is that situation. 😊
I am reminded of the Tobey McGuire/Spider-Man scene where he side steps the criminal and says, "I missed the part where that's my problem." The more good citizens get in trouble for attempting to do the right thing, the more we're apt to have the same attitude.
Poor Uncle Ben.
UNCLE BEN!!! SORRY AUNT MAY!!! 😫😭
Sadly this is true. But I for one believe that good people still exist and that when/if the time comes that they will still rise to the occasion. And damn the consequences.
It would be really pretty dumb for any civilian, more so a civilian who is licensed to carry a handgun, to choose to fire his weapon at a passing car simply because it’s being chased by lights & sirens. He used extremely poor judgment in his choice to fire his weapon in this scenario.
Police are civilians. Civilian means non-combatant. Police are not military.
How do those boots taste
@@richardrichard5319Old, overused, and boring. Stop playing Batman when you're off your shift at Walmart
@@RoverTheDog1 😂
@@jamiebullfrogHow do you know he was a felon? Was it in the article? Simple fleeing is in most instances a misdemeanor.
No good deed shall ever go unpunished. That being said, in a situation like this it's best not to get involved unless your own life is in imminent danger.
Yessir
If an acorn drops and a police officer negligently mag dumps into a vehicle in a suburban neighborhood on an unarmed person in handcuffs, he's just allowed to resign. If a civilian fires a single round into a vehicle being chased by police in order to stop it, felony. The only difference is the civilian only fired once, and his fire was effective.
I wouldn't do what he did, and wouldn't recommend it to anyone, but the double standard is ridiculous. Hard to say he should have helped when the cops turn around and arrest him after doing so.
In my opinion: In that FL case, the LE supervisor also shot multiple times into their own agency vehicle responsive to the LE subordinate's call for help.
That removes the subordinate from full culpability & being the supervisor was female, nothing will become of it except "remedial training" or be promoted to a desk job because they qualified her for that position & severely disciplining her wouldn't go over well in the Civil Service procedure to regain her full job status with full back pay. That's one good reason to privatize LE.
FL LE operates with a military ambiance & the States administration wouldn't see issues with it outside a behind the screens hard laugh.
On an interesting note that subordinate had a SIG P320 with red dot that he repetitively smacked the road with & not one shot fired was uncommanded proving how very safe SIG P320s are as matter of fact.
LE needs older seasoned guys starting in their 40s because younger ones do all sorts of dumb stuff all amped up on ego, adrenaline & testosterone. It's bad enough cops go after young males, but to have a young male as cops is a disaster in the making.
You can bet that suspect will never break the law again. He ain't getting off the charges either. 😂
Criminals always have more rights than the person that had to defend themselves
Lethal force can only be used by a civilian to prevent an imminent threat that can result in death or grave bodily harm to oneself or another individual. The car driving AWAY from the man who fired a shot did not present a threat, imminent or otherwise. Law enforcement did not ask him to intervene on their behalf.
@@InGratitudeIamand these thugs who murder people have all charges conveniently dropped...
Years ago , I was speeding away from Houston Cops on
I -10 , as they chased me .
Eventually , I pulled over and showed them my wife was in horrendous pain and We were headed for a hospital .
They said " Follow us " .
It was all I could do to go as fast as they drove leading the way .
One cop kept waving his arm out the passenger window
prodding me to keep up .
I followed them to the hospital and thanked them as they waved .
Bottom Line , If You Don't know whats going on , Dont Get involved .
This was exactly what I was going to say, and I figured a bunch of people would say I was being far fetched. Well here’s proof.
Exactly! That idiot had no clue why he was being chased by the tyrants and had no business getting involved
USCCA definitely not covering this guy lol
So, if he was a USCCA member and pled down to a misdemeanor, he would not be covered, right?
That’s what I want to know!
Exactly what I asked lol
USSCA would have dropped coverage before a plea deal was even talked about, would be my guess.
@@johnthomas8193that would be my guess, but I thought I’d ask just for fun.
Does USCCA respond? No, all you hear is crickets!
I don’t help Police, because I’m not a Cop.
I don’t make Statements to Police, because I’m not a idiot, like this guy.
I don’t help police because they’re not my friend and never will be.
lol what sounds like a personal issue
TELL EM!
@@tooturnt5465it’s not, it’s a police issue.
Exactly this
If you want to get away with recklessly shooting a gun, you need a badge
At 3:49 maybe he had an acorn and did not want to be mag dumped.
Kitty Genovese is the case Tom was talking about. She was stabbed, robbed, raped and eventually killed. The incident went on for almost an hour in front of dozens of witnesses and no one called the cops. When witnesses were asked why they didn't call the police, to a person they all answered, they thought somone else would call the police. This demonstrates a phenomenon known as "Diffusion of Responsibility."" Basically, the more witnesses there are to a crime, the less chance the victim has of someone helping or calling the police.
She was not sexually assaulted.
Years back, I was sitting in a Village Inn, after the bars closed. The place was packed. A woman came out of the ladies room, and got on the phone right next to the door. Her skirt was tucked into her underware. The place was full, nobody told her, they all laughed...
I was across the restaurant from her, about as far away as you could be and still see her. I got up, walked over to her and whispered, "Your dress is tucked into your panties!" She was mortified and ran into the ladies room.
The whole time, I kept thinking someone would get to her before I did, they didn't. I thought the people in the booth next to where she was standing, would tap her and say something, they didn't. I thought the wait staff would help, they didn't!
The fact is, most people won't help.
One person yelled out their window for them to leave her alone. That was all they did.
@@Driftxcess1 That's heart breaking. But most people are fearful. They don't want to get hurt on behalf of someone else.
@@greencertifiedweb I had to study a case study on pro social behavior based on that case for my Psychology class. I was wide eyed.
If the police can lie to you without consequence and they don't have a duty to protect you. What is the reason why you should you get involved?
Exactly.
Great point 😮!! 4:28
I am an advocate for all of us to take action to protect ourself, our .loved ones, our property and our communities (Relying on others to protect 'our' rights is never a good idea unless we aren't capable alone). However, that doesn't appear to be the case in this situation. Although they barely gave us any of the evidence, so there could be much more to this than what we can see in the video. However, in the video, the car doesn't appear to be excessively speeding, driving recklessly, or otherwise creating any imminent danger, and the car definitely did not appear to be a threat to this man or anyone else at the moment he shot at it.
It doesn't sound like the guy had any evidence of any real crime. Failing to stop for police may be a felony, but those laws only came to be because of people like this guy that think police (and apparently, anyone helping them) should have unlimited power and authority with no accountability. What if it was just some scared person that didn't know how to react and felt more comfortable driving a few blocks home before stopping?
I come from a law enforcement family background and was told to never engage with / in ANY police matters requardless of the circumstances.
Basically true unless it's a life and death fight and the cop is clearly losing. There's been many videos of good Samaritan's helping in that case. But yeah a police chase? Just get out of the way.
@@RoverTheDog1
I was this exact situation once. I was walking my protection trained Giant Schnauzer (got him at 8 weeks old) he was 2 at the time , the officer was on the losing end of a physical fight. I asked, yelled, do you want some help!? My dog was already going berserker bc of them fighting, he replied yes! Help me! I quickly shuffled closer , told the suspect dude to quit resisting or I'd let the dog loose, cop said "send the dog!!" I guess cause my dog and I had by then near 1000 hours of training, in those milliseconds I decided it was best to give another warning (there were few people who'd take bites from my dog, he went clean through bite sleeves and suits and left serious bruises) I could see the state or a lawyer trying to hem me and my dog up , so, the second warning was "this is your 2nd and final warning!" From his knees to his chest he was covered in slobber , that's how close I put Motts's head to him...
Thankfully dude screamed "I give up!" And dropped face down arms spread.. this was in 2004 . I still think about that 4 minutes in time . Found out later the cop became K9 lol
Anyways, I wouldn't have jumped in unless the cop said yes help me , like he did. I also wonder if I listened to the cop and let my dog bite dude (it would have been horrible for dude , no doubt he'd have been disfigured) would I gotten sued , dog taken away etc etc etc even though I was asked by the cop to help ..
@@RoverTheDog1I wouldn't help a cop even then, I'd sit, watch, and laugh at the losing cop
@@folkishappalachian6827 Then you're just a bad person who has theirs coming idk what you want me to tell you
The main reason no one does anything is because of lawyers.
We do live in a highly litigious society, sadly true
"When injustice becomes law, resistance becomes duty." - Thomas Jefferson
Corruption at the highest level has allowed judges and DA's to run rampant with the zealot like political ideology instead of looking at INTENT.
- Godspeed
And the worst part is as soon as you hop up off this video you'll forget all about what you just said which is another part of the problem... Right-wingers are taking way too long to figure out the Justice system is as corrupted as it actually is which is almost completely, the Justice system as a whole is so corrupted that the system itself is actually collapsing. People have absolutely no excuse to wonder why somebody might hate the Justice system at this point, a lot of people have a lot of great reasons to hate them. 🐷
The immenent threat was gone as soon as the car passed him. In Indiana, it is what is happening now, not 10. seconds ago.
Cheers for commenting on the nothing I said?......@@kennethcurtis1856
Except no "injustice" happened in this case. The man in question unlawfully used force, and was charged appropriately for his actions, and lucky was able to get a misdemeanor (for whatever that is worth). A person who carries their firearm is not a deputized citizen immune from arrest and litigation. There are times in which use of a firearm is unjustified, and this was one of those times. Humans act in split-second decisions, yes. We don't have the luxury of stopping time to think out what is happening in the moment. That doesn't give us a pass when the law is broken, however.
I agree indeed. Did I mention anything in the video though?.... BTW Patriot nurse and Hickock 45 are solid channels, thanks for your support.
- Godspeed Shawn@@shawnshoptaugh4907
I commend the guy for wanting to help but my instinct tells me it's a bad shoot. There could be an innocent hostage in the car, cars have been stolen with babies in the backseat. There are too many variables that a Good samariter might not be privy to
Ironically, if there were hostages in the back seat and the guy knew there were hostages he would have actually had a better defense shooting at the car and ending the chase.
Optics on the video are terrible I think. Would you want to be this guy facing 15 years in jail and trust a Detroit jury?
This is correct- but when did that ever stop cops from mag dumping into the worst places possible. Rarely /:
@@PatRiot-cops generally get a pass for this sort of thing; as you can see, you and I generally don't, especially in a liberal hotbed like Detroit, which stays blue no matter which way the state swings. In fact, despite Michigan's largely conservative outstate population, the tail generally wags the dog.
@@joelee2371They don't like competition so they do whatever it takes to eliminate any they see. 8
I would never do what this guy did. Stay safe and be a witness
Our judicial system needs a overhaul
Not just that
Yup. This guy should not have been able to plea it down from a felony. He has shown he is completely incapable of responsibility carrying a firearm.
Law enforcement just keeps giving us more and more reasons to NOT support them.
The cops don't decide whether or not to charge someone, that's the prosecutor. In this case the armed citizen 100% deserved to be charged. But yeah boo hoo CoPs ArE bAd.
Cops don't decide whether or not to prosecute. Guy 100% deserved charges for his act. But yeah... It's the cops fault?
But that is just you looking at this as a bad thank you for helping the police, there’s a lot more to it than just that to look at. That is why this lawyer is talking about it. There’s a lot to it than just looking at it as helping the police and then getting arrested for it. We all have to follow the law, you need to know what that law is where you live to better make an educated assessment whether to help or if it will be more detrimental to the situation.
What was that cowboy thinking? No way to defend this guy even if he had the best of intentions.
Yep, cause we all know where the road paved with good intentions leads to-
Woman moment 😁
Indeed. Just because you carry a firearm, you're not a deputized citizen. Stay out of the way. It is a rather byzantine subject, but CCW holders really need to not only train with their weapon, but also become familiar with scenarios of both justified and unjustified use of force. The Concealed Carry Podcast would have segments with an attorney in which they would discuss cases of defensive firearm use and the outcomes, and the attorney would lend his opinion as to whether the use of force was justified or not, and if not, why it wasn't. Something to learn from on each case. Until I started carrying 12 years ago, I didn't know about the idea of "false imprisonment" if you held a suspect under certain circumstances. That's a gotcha.
THIS IS A GREAT WAY TO CONVINCE EVERY LEGAL GUN OWNER TO MIND THEIR OWN BUSINESS NO MATTER WHAT'S HAPPENING AROUND YOU.
He should have claimed he saw an acorn fleeing.
This is clearly an example of you can’t help anyone, anymore, especially the police and most definitely you can’t help someone with your legal carry gun. A sad state of affairs in the USA
Lethal force can only be used by a civilian to prevent an imminent threat that can result in death or grave bodily harm to oneself or another individual. The car driving AWAY from the man who fired a shot did not present a threat, imminent or otherwise. Law enforcement did not ask him to intervene on their behalf.
This is one example in which (based ONLY on the video footage) that I do not agree with the armed citizen. In a neighborhood with houses, cars and people he shoots at a moving vehicle? I understand his intentions were good but he behaved irresponsibly in my opinion. Good lord, this is exactly why I don't trust many of my fellow gun owners. This was flat out stupid!
In the video you can clearly see there an occupied vehicle on the other side of the perps vehicle. He doesn’t know what’s going on. He actually ran toward the perps car.
@@EsteVatoLoco What's your point?
Not in vain, learn from his mistake, great learning tool,let law enforcement do their job and stand away!
Another good video, with great points about taking care before getting involved in a situation.
Thank you for watching!
This really isn’t a situation where the “good guy” gets punished for helping. This situation could have ended tragically because of this man’s reckless behavior. Whether little Susie gets hit by a stray bullet or gets mowed down by a car whose driver has been rendered unconscious via gunshot wound, the danger is exactly the same.
Stray bullets from police weapons strike little Susie all the time and I don't see a huge outcry. Not saying there shouldn't be. This guy accounted for every round shot and made his shot count. There have been many many instances where police perform a mag dump reloads, repeat, stray bullets everywhere and not striking their target.
@@raulthepig5821yup like the acorn guy that just retires with no consequence lol
@luisuribe5432
Or the two ladies in Houston who mag dumped an apartment, reloaded, and kept firing.
@@THall-vi8cp yup like those 2 ladies aswell
Thank you!
He should have said he thought there was a dangerous acorn in the engine compartment and he was only shooting that acorn to stop it from ambushing some poor chap.
NEVER help the police unless youre directly in danger yourself. Let their buddies come to their rescue.
60 years ago he woulda been the town Hero, held up and paraded around😂
Not even then, in Detroit; I have been a resident of the tri-county metro area all my life, til retirement. In the eighties he would have definitely gone to prison just for possessing a handgun outside his house.
@@joelee2371Ohh no hope for him then I stand corrected 🙂
That is why I would not help the police I would call for help
I wouldn't bother even doing that
I got a bill for calling the police and firemen so I will not be calling the police or firemen for any incident that I am a witness. It sad that I feel this way but this country has become more concern about the criminals and not law abiding citizens.
I would never call the police for help. My wife was ran off the road due to a driver not paying attention. We told DOT we would like to tell the officer what happened and give them a description of the inattentive or perhaps drunk driver and they wrote my wife a ticket. On top of us having to replace 3 tires. I told the WA state patrol they are the last ones I would ever call for help. And would probably call a crack head first. Because they won't hurt or arrest me and put me at the mercy of the court.
TY USCCA
He saved kids on a bike that the criminal would've ran over. That's the argument you portray in court.
Then he'd better be able to produce video evidence of kids on bikes down the street who were directly in the path of the fleeing car. Detroit is a liberal hotbed of gun-hating politicians, not like the southeastern states.
Note to self: Stay out of anyone else's business, even if they need help. Just walk on by.
This day and time I would be more apt to help the suspect than the police
No good deed goes unpunished...
Lethal force can only be used by a civilian to prevent an imminent threat that can result in death or grave bodily harm to oneself or another individual. The car driving AWAY from the man who fired a shot did not present a threat, imminent or otherwise. Law enforcement did not ask him to intervene on their behalf.
I help no one except family. Period
It’s a sad state of affairs when I’m more worried about being charged with something or getting sued then getting hurt by the bad guy.
True; think about that the next time you vote for that free welfare cheese, cz your freedom is the price you pay for being "taken care of" by the welfare nanny state.
You guys need a bigger desk 😂
It's outrageous that someone who stepped up to assist law enforcement in a crisis situation ends up facing felony charges. This highlights the importance of protecting the rights of responsible gun owners who act in self-defense or to aid others. We need to advocate for fair treatment and recognition of the crucial role firearms play in maintaining public safety.
Lethal force can only be used by a civilian to prevent an imminent threat that can result in death or grave bodily harm to oneself or another individual. The car driving AWAY from the man who fired a shot did not present a threat, imminent or otherwise. Law enforcement did not ask him to intervene on their behalf.
Just because the police are following the car doesn't mean the driver is a bad guy. It is an assumption. When lives are at stake, you can not threaten a life due to an assumption.
That's frikkin insane
Lethal force can only be used by a civilian to prevent an imminent threat that can result in death or grave bodily harm to oneself or another individual. The car driving AWAY from the man who fired a shot did not present a threat, imminent or otherwise. Law enforcement did not ask him to intervene on their behalf.
If "it" isn't happening to me, I'm looking the other way.
If "it" is happening to me, I will fight back.
If "it" is happening to one of my kids, or grand kids, I'll destroy everything in sight to personally deliver the justice.
Now, the reason for the first point.....
30 years ago I rescued an older man from a burning car.
Doors were jammed so I had to pull him out through the driver door window.
During the process he suffered three cracked ribs.
Six months later I'm in a courtroom defending myself in a civil suit because he got injured coming through the window.
Luckily, I was blessed with a judge that had some common sense.
The judge asked the man what he thought would have happened if I had not came to his aid.....
Then the judge answered his own question..... "You would have burned to death and would not be here to sue this man today. He could have drove away and let you burn." Case dismissed.
It is because of that event that I will now continue on my way and forget that I noticed anything at all.
I think that these Legal dissections are the most valuable things that the USCCA RUclips channel does. Lay-people can get in so much trouble doing what they think is right and good, only to find themselves getting the short end of the Legal stick. This kind of education will definitely help your viewers. I had actually attended a USCCA presentation and hoped to see a more customized seminar on relevant Laws in my state, but it was pretty general and no Legal Professionals. My Concealed Carry Permit class was surprisingly good in this respect, covering relevant State Law, but of course, no Legal Professionals either. I don’t expect Legal Advice, but relevant authoritative education would be worth paying for. Probably more than a defensive shooting class.
Here is something else to consider. If you plead to or are convicted of a weapons misdemeanor in states like NY, you will lose your handgun license, as well as your right to own a firearm,FOREVER.
It was Kitty Genovese who was stabbed and raped in New York in 1964. The time of day (3:15 AM), the time of year (March 13) were factors. People were asleep and had their windows closed. Some heard her screaming and called the police but no one went to her aid. She died on the way to the hospital more than an hour later.
You may be thinking of Cheryl Araujo, who was gang raped in a bar in New Bedford, Mass., 1983. Bar patrons did not try to help her.
Currently, consider the case of Daniel Penny.
I dont think this is a "Man, you cant help people these days." situation. Its a "You cant shoot unless your life is in danger" situation. Its pretty simple.
depends on what was out in front of the fleeing car. Children in the street?
It’s not just about shooting try to seperate a fighting pair of dudes and watch who all gets arrested unless you know the cops your all going to jail
This guy is obviously an idiot and should never have been issued a CCW
Really then why cops shoot first and then ask questions later.
@@patriot101101because they have qualified immunity, a union steward, and a department legal team to hide behind.
God Bless Texas
CCW course in CA, the instructor was very clear when he explained even if the active shooter is next to him he won't do a s**t unless the gun is pointed to him or his own family. I'm now sure I can live by this standard, but I will definitely keep it in mind.
It's perfectly legal to stop an active shooter, the problem people have is they are comfortable around guns but do not understand when and when they cannot use the gun,this car was driving away which means it was not a time to use the weapon
My recommendation to people is after the CCW take a specialized class for use force and the laws surrounding use of force
Tool of last resort, not a problem solving tool! The mind is your problem solving tool! Not the weapon!
@@Xfrosty91I wouldn't, I'd get my family out and leave
Anyone who falls victim, that's their problem, thank good Samaritan laws being ignored for people to stop caring
@@folkishappalachian6827 well that's your right,you are not required to stop an active shooter and I wouldn't go out of my way to stop an active shooter either but if it's convenient for me to stop an active shooter I would in a heartbeat
Wait a moment, you accused prosecutors of thinking...
I would not have gone there with that situation.
One of the things they taught us in my conceal-carry class was that it is not our job to enforce the law (we are not the police), so our gun should never come out unless we or another person are being physically attacked. What the guy in the video did was wrong, a stupid move on his part, but not something he should have been charged with felonies for.
Sounds like you had a great instructor!
The bystander effect was first demonstrated and popularized in the laboratory by social psychologists John M. Darley and Bibb Latané in 1968 after they became interested in the topic following the murder of Kitty Genovese in 1964 ~ Wikipedia
Yeah, sorry, I would never risk my freedom or risk killing an innocent bystander to play TV cop. Whatever reason they were chasing the perp was probably not worth it. This guy was playing fast and loose with his right to conceal carry.
I agree. Not worth it even if you're sure you won't be prosecuted. This was an active police chase, and this guy is not police. Let them do their jobs.
This was not a case of an officer losing a fight on the side of the road. I'd help in that case. I'm not gonna discharge my weapon in the middle of a neighborhood.
@@laanierhae WHILE I AGREE HE STOPPED BAD GUY AND NO KIDS WERE RAN OVER, SO JUST STOP WITH TH B,S
@@jamiebullfrog Not a good enough reason. To be honest- that guy is probably a bigger risk to public safety than the perp running from police.
i’m more worried about the laws then about using force against someone that’s pretty sorry.
Lethal force can only be used by a civilian to prevent an imminent threat that can result in death or grave bodily harm to oneself or another individual. The car driving AWAY from the man who fired a shot did not present a threat, imminent or otherwise. Law enforcement did not ask him to intervene on their behalf.
When I went thru my CPL class, a lawyer talked to us about an hour, giving several examples of someone with a CPL, "helping" another person, using their gun. Every time, the CPL holder faced charges for "Helping". Made me decide to mind my own business, until someone threatens me or my family.
We have a duty and obligation to protect ourselves and others from threats both foreign and domestic!!!!
Lol. The boys discussing car kill spots.
“He shot the glowing red spot on the car”
We are getting too many police officers who want to make arrests, even when not necessary, but mostly the issue is the D.A. who sees an easy conviction or plea deal. Therefore, as a licensed firearms carrier, DO NOT voluntarily engage with your firearm any criminal in a 'non life threatening' crime. Especially do not involve yourself with a police 'chase' unless the Officers live are in imminent danger.
Our society has become a 'victim' society even when committing a crime. If you shot a criminal in the act of committing a FELONY, even against your own life, he will sue you for shooting him. If he succumbs to the shot his family will sue you. But be assured that the District Attorney will charge you with a crime regardless. A good honorable D.A. with charge you with homicide and allow a judge or jury to find you not guilty by reason of.... (Pick one).. A ladder climbing antigun DA with Charge you with a multitude of charges and attempt to convict or force a plea deal on a lesser charge.
Bottom line, You cannot trust anyone when you try to help stop a crime.
Great advise !!! 😮 9:48
"that act endangered peoples lives, and he didnt need to do that"
....if true, then the same applies to the cops chasing the driver.
We (our justice system) must do all we can to protect felons. We have to remember that when we are tempted to step in.
Dumb move. If it doesn't involve you or your family, don't get involved.
No good deed goes unpunished
In short, and Tom built his legal knowledge and experience from situations exactly like this against people like us, this prosecution was nothing more than career building.
And this is why helping the police only hurts you!!!
Lethal force can only be used by a civilian to prevent an imminent threat that can result in death or grave bodily harm to oneself or another individual. The car driving AWAY from the man who fired a shot did not present a threat, imminent or otherwise. Law enforcement did not ask him to intervene on their behalf.
right response, dont get involved
Avoidance is always the best option!
You guys should do a vid on citizens arrest. Cans and cannot?? It's a shame that the justice system would attack an individual that is trying to help..
The incident in question was Kitty Genovese in Queens NY in 1964. She was a 28 year old bar maid who was killed while dozens of people just watched
but when a cop unloads a mag into his own car because he heard an acorn is completely fine?
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this guy blew it because the guy in the car was never a threat to him and since he had passed him already he had no right to shoot at him. Hell, the cops weren't shooting at him. be smart, or go directly to jail.
There should be some kind of Good Samaritan defense exemption in the law.
There is. But the threat of death or grave bodily harm must be imminent. The car driving AWAY from the man who fired a shot did not present a threat, imminent or otherwise. Law enforcement did not ask him to intervene on their behalf. Lethal force was not justified under these circumstances.
Was the shot necessary? No.
Was it justified? No.
If shooting was a good idea, the cops could have been doing it. The plea deal seems more than fair. The shooter had no idea of whether the man he shot had a valid reason for fleeing the police.
It all depends on your state laws.
Unless you are directly involved, let the law handle their own business...
The question is why? Why even get involved? Bad move by the armed citizen, if you want to be an officer go to the academy, otherwise let those that went handle the situation -- it is what it is.
I'm not helping them. 0 chance.
That part of the debate may be moot, but we really, REALLY, want to know what he hit in the engine compartment. Was he a mechanic and he was like, ‘the coil is… right… there’ lol.
Scooter pulled his gun and fired one off not knowing anything about the situation. What an idiot.
It's probably best not to even leave your house anymore.
Look what happen to Veteran Daniel Penny went to prison for saving people on the NY subway from a violent criminal attack!!!
Most police force policies wouldn't allow officers to shoot in this instance.
What is an even sadder is that in other countries if he is ex-military then he is allowed to help the police by doing this
Please name one such country; most countries, even ones that allow people to own guns, do not allow them to be carried in public, which may be sadder in itself.
@@joelee2371 you seriously need to quit believing everything the media tells you because there are many countries where people are allowed to carry guns in public one was notable one is Switzerland you will find pictures of even children carrying guns in public. Holland allows its citizens to carry open carry, guns in public, all of the Netherlands does, even Australia has gone back to allowing their citizens to openly carry guns again thanks to the gang wars that occurred after their idiotic gun buyback program. Even New Zealand allows its gun owners to open carry yes I know the queen of New Zealand said she was going to ban guns but she didn't succeed because even her sheriff's didn't support her plan. But the media is never going to tell you that because they're owned by the corporations that want our guns so that they're all the politicians they own can become tyrants. By the way in all the Muslim countries in the Middle East you're allowed to open carry
@@joelee2371 I don't know why my replies did not get posted. But as I said there are many such countries such as the Middle East countries which allows their citizens to open carry. The Netherlands, Holland arouse its citizens to open carry as many of the Dutch countries do. And if you go just on an image search of kids carrying guns you will see kids in Switzerland taking their guns to school on bikes and they're carrying AR-15s. You're even allowed to open carry in Japan if you can afford the permit. Even in Australia you're allowed to open carry now because they got rid of the idiotic gun laws that they passed a few years ago. But you're never going to hear this from the media who's owned by the corporations that own our politicians
People need to get it through their heads, the cops are NOT your friends.
Even less so are the prosecutors, who get to apply their personal biases "in the name of the law".
The police are not responsible for your safety, nor should you be for theirs.
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If the guy perceived a threat to life by himself or another person then he probably would have gotten away with that shooting. Otherwise, the dude is an idiot in my book. Deadly force is only justifiable when a life is being threatened. Shooting at a bad guy running from the police is not in itself justifiable.
No wonder people don't help anymore.
No good deed goes unpunished !
I agree %100. This only serves to contribute to learned helplessness and indifference. This is why there is so much indifference in this country. Because, you're liable if you choose to get involved in almost any situation. And it only serves in the interest of the criminals.
Lethal force can only be used by a civilian to prevent an imminent threat that can result in death or grave bodily harm to oneself or another individual. I don't think the car driving AWAY from the man who fired a shot was presenting an imminent threat. There was no imminence. There was no threat. Law enforcement did not ask him to intervene on their behalf.
I would argue - no harm no foul - clause !!!
Bro forgot about the 4 fire arm safety lesson 🤦🏾♂️ I can understand the intent; nevertheless, reality is unpredictable