Hi Dr. Jude, thanks for making this video I found it very useful! I was born in Vancouver and did my undergrad in Toronto but am now doing medical school in the UK. I have a never ending debate about whether I want to go to CA or stay here - I appreciate all your insights :)
I’m in a similar position. Undergrad in Canada, PhD in UK, and then medical school in New Zealand. I love NZ, but I wish I could work a year or two asa junior in Canada more easily.
Definitely worth pointing out that there is no “Canadian” medical system - it’s a provincial responsibility. Hence training, pay and culture can vary from province to province, especially Quebec ;)
Varies between each province and pay varies also significantly which has lead to some provinces struggling to secure physicians where as Ontario and Alberta have attracted a large portion of physicians. Lots of issues in the residency program as when training the wrong type of physicians. Lots of unemployed cardiologists when we need GI doctors for example.
@@pollystyrene99 GPs are a given but there are residency spots available for GPs. They tend to be part of the few specialties making up the unmatched spots. We have made some strides with a GP only medical school although a second GP only medical school that is more condensed (like 3 yrs full-time year round) with reduced tuition would be more advantageous versus another medical school that trains every form of doctor.
@@jeanpauljeanpaul2530 hahah it’s not a permanent thing, I just wanted to go to the uk for a while just for the experience but not to live permanently ☺️
@@kiearacelina I’m a lab tech from Canada, I went to the UAE to work, made a ton of money, then came back. I took an unpaid leave of absence from the hospital so my benefits and pension could continue.
Don't let the casual dress culture stop you from wearing your favourite tailored suit! I work in the civil service in a back office role where most of my colleagues are dressed down. Nevertheless, I insist on showing up to work in a suit and tie everyday. No one has ever given me a dirty look for breaking convention. Wear whatever makes you feel good!
Love the videos! much respect. As a doctor myself I find them very useful. I'm currently working in the Royal orthopaedic hospital in Birmingham and I must say orthopaedics is a lovely speciality!
@@kgbkgb7616 those lock downs are every where except in the US where you let 600 thousand people die. Those lock downs in Canada reduced our deaths to only 24 thousand. Now we only have about a 10th of the US population so if Canada has the same population as the US, we'd have around 240 thousand deaths. Less than a third. So lock downs are shitty yes but they are definitely keeping more of us alive.
@@ibbzjoseph3841 if covid was actually killing 10% of its people and not infecting only the west, than Id take this scamdemmic more seriously. look into a book by Claus Schwab, head of the WEF, titled 'covid 19: the great reset'. he is a globalist and explains every detail of what were seeing is for neo fuedalist communism. in 2030 youll own nothing and be happy. its not conspiracy. they lay the plans out in plain sight.
I'm a nurse in Canada. We dress so casual I almost rolled up to work in my pajamas LMAO. Luckily I came to my senses and threw on some yoga pants ahaha
I feel like the medical training years are the roughly same. For someone to become a specialist Dr in the uk it is 5years med school + 2 years internship+ 7-8 years specialty training = 14-15 years in total For Canada, 3-4 years first degree+ 4 years medical school+ 4-6years training = 13-14 years (and it’s roughly the same for America) At the end of the day, the whole medical journey is the same standardly. Asides form money, and the “North America” life, I prefer the UK system cos it straightforward in my opinion and flexible with the luxury of options. In Canada and the US you need to finish your residency to have a license to practice independently, while in the UK, after the 2 year internship straight out of med school you can practice “Independently”, and have the option of exploring and working as a “locum” Dr. Also those 2 years of interning gives you an idea of what you want to do. Making a decision and going into a specialty right after medical school, would have been a challenge for me. Also, I believe moving from one specialty to another is easier in the UK. I would imagine with Canada and the US, one might need to “start” the residency again if they change their minds (I could be wrong on this). You can leave training after your fist year if internship (ideally after the second year).and decide not to specialise and still work as a doctor, in specialties you’re familiar and comfortable with as an SHO (senior house officer). I do not think this is possible in North America, as you need to complete Residency in order to practice on your own in a specific specialty. There are also a number of pathways to becoming a specialist in the UK which isn’t the conventional training method one of them is the CESR or CEGPR route. Overall, I prefer the UK system. I was an IMG who had to research and make all of these considerations before choosing the UK.
Slight amendment to the UK system for you, can be up to 16 years in the UK given the extra year in some med school programs for intercalating a second degree usually a BSc some courses offer MSc's and PHDs tho
The time that really matters is the time spent training as a doctor.. that needs to be right. I think 4-5 years is not enough, but then 10years + is probably too much
The fact that you can practice as a GP after medschool, without need for specialization is the key difference. And it makes a world of difference when you have student debt etc. In the North American system, trainees will go through the process but may not necessary match to a position in the next step - residency of choice, fellowship, and you are at risk of being stuck because you’ve accrued at this debt but still so many more years before you even start to make any money to pay it back. Not to mention the extremely high income tax in Canada. What’s the point of making $400k if half of that is income tax. Might as well work less and have more personal life, and enter a lower tax bracket. So it isn’t only about the number of years - I mean obviously medicine is a long and difficult road any way you look at it.
Hello Dr Jude, I understand that you wanted to come to Canada. I'm from England but living in Canada. I don't like it here and believe happiness is more important then money. I've been here over 10 years and want to go back. It's just so different here compared to back in England. All the best:)
I am in the same boat, I have been here over 20 years in Toronto, and may lose capital with a move back to the U.K. , but there is no social life after 30 in Canada, you are supposed to move to the suburbs, and work to pay for your over priced home and taxes till you die. I'd rather take a chance and lose a bit of capital , to end up in a small community, with a local pub and town center, and people who base their opinion off of who you are and not what you do for a living and how much you make.
Love your videos Dr. Jude. I have spent time in the UK (love it) and live in Canada; the dressing up part is spot on. I think at times here in Canada we are a little too casual when it comes to work attire, or even for those special occasions. Please keep sharing your experience and knowledge with us. Cheers
Thanks for the great video. Im a consultant in Canada working fee for service. I think the renumeration issue is very important and you highlighted some important points. I work fee for service so I get paid based on the procedures I perform and the number of cases I see. I think it can go both ways. In Canada I have an incentive to stay and do a case at 4pm on a Friday since I get remunerated for it. I have done a fellowship in the UK where consultants frequently made excuses to cancel cases or postpone not for patient reasons but for personal reasons. To them it didn't matter whether the case got done today or tomorrow.
My favorite part was when you talked about the fashion. Americans dress down to almost everything which is such a huge difference from going to university in Nigeria where dressing up was a must. I love to dress up so I'm often "overdressed" and I don't care. Great video! I think you like Canada better.
Amazing video....Dr Jude u had to sit for the qe1,nac osce before practice in Canada .....or the fellowships are enough. Please do answer, I am in a fix betwn Canada and the UK
In Québec, it works a little bit differently. We finish high school at 16, we have 2 years of cégep (science stuff) and then we go straight into medschool for our doctorate degree ! 4 years of medschool then we start residency
Although technically you can get in with a DEC the majority of medical students have a BSc and some even have a masters degree. After doing more research it is less competitive to get into the French speaking medical school versus the English speaking medical school. Supply and demand.
@@amyseaden9069 you said you all get your doctorate which is a PhD level academic degree. You mean you get your medical degree which doesn't require a masters, I.e. is optional.
@@joywebster2678 I actually didn’t say that. The original poster said that. I assume it is because she is a native French speaker. A medical degree in Canada is a post grad degree but is still called bachelor degree in medicine. In the US you get a doctor of medicine although similar entry requirement
Canada is also about exploring a new and adventurous relationship with the outdoors and the phenomenal natural environment. Quality of life is not comparable to cars and houses. Life is much more than that. Just say you returned to what you feel more at home with. Overcrowded London and the UK does not come even a tiny bit close to Canada. Stay where you feel at home in the UK.
Great Video🌸. In South Africa 🇿🇦 you do 6 years undergrad MBCHB, register with a the council, do 2 years as clinical intern and 1 year community service, then you are good to go. It’s also competitive to get a job but specialist are in demand. It’s also a lucrative career like anywhere else in the world. Nb: I’m not a Dr.
Specialist training in South Africa is very competitive, after community service you require medical officer time ideally at an academic hospital in the speciality you want. Further, you often (specialty dependent but most specialities) require exams (informally known as ‘part ones’) to qualify for the interview. Watching this post call-I had a little tear when I heard him mention their hours ! I’m a proud SA doctor though and wouldn’t want train anywhere else
There are only certain amount of residency spots. Wouldn’t it make sense to train the students you’ve already invested in? As a Canadian I tell all IMGs to consider the UK, Ireland or the US if they want to guarantee they will be able to practice medicine. Many don’t listen🤷♀️
@@ibyabu Even Canadians who have attended medical school abroad end up having to train through the US. UK loses so many physicians that it is fairly easy to enter the system.
If it wasn't for the money to pay back, I wouldn't mind practicing in europe. I love the european lifetyle. We work too much and ambitious in the US and Canada but I also enjoy that too. I just wish I had more time travel more often. Thanks for making this video
In my experience if you see a doctor in the ER they will usually be wearing scrubs (probably because it is easier to clean, less restrictive, ready for anything, and helps to put people at ease), if you see a doctor in some kind of an office they will be dressed up. One specialist doctor I had to visit espeically dressed up extra snazzily, sometimes even had a bow tie instead of the regular tie, and I always enjoyed his creative socks. It often matters on how old they are. The younger doctors put more effort into their clothing. Also, you are experiencing Toronto's hospitals. It can be a bit different elsewhere.
Thank you very much Dr. Jude! Your vedios are very helpful to FMG students looking to shape their life in a better way! GOD BLESS YOU AND YOUR ENTIRE FAMILY!
I'm not a doctor. But as in any career, I'll choose quality over pay. Get the best training you can and practice where you are valued and paid the most. Nevertheless I love my NHS. Thank you NHS and thank you Dr Jude.
Most medical students have only 5 years of school and in Canada you rarely get in after 3 years. 4 years is rare actually. Many medical students I know have masters degrees because getting into medical school is very competitive. Fellowships are almost a must these days. Think you are minimizing the hours in Canada.
@@amyseaden9069 there is an alternative in canada in most universities for the wealthy. you can donate money to the research of the interviewing professor. and depending on the amount, they will accept you straight up. good luck proving anything though. this is hush hush. merit is great but the criteria to get into med school in canada is so vague that marks alone don't get you in.
@@asadb1990 Nobody is being admitted to Canadian medical schools because their parents donated to the university. Think you are confusing Canada with the US.
@@amyseaden9069 you don't donate to the university. you donate to the professor who is interviewing you in the form of a "reasearch grant". its not very common because its a large sum and the candidate still has a good shot at getting in. if the candidate doesn't have any drive, they wouldn't bother.
You are brave, I don’t like seeing blood and damaged bodies... I am more interested in law, creative writings, poetry and psychology. God bless you Dr...✊🏽
I feel like I need to make the biggest decision of my professional life. Where do I specialize and what do I specialize in (all the way from Ghana 🇬🇭) . No one prepares you for this !
I've decided to become a midwife in Canada. I would love to be a doctor but I couldn't choose a specialty apart from labour and delivery. So thats my choice. I would suggest study up on it now. Ive been studying up for years and applied without my credentials being 100% achieved and now ive applied again with my prerequisites accomplished. Best of luck.
6:10 huge props to even mentining this. Most doctors won't admit it or are just in denial about it. But this is the truth. There are even studies on it.
Moved to the US for work and pay, 10 years later I am still home sick. I’m envious of my friends back home in the UK. Like he said I miss the tacit dress code we have in the UK. I hate feeling over dressed, I really don’t get Americans’ way of thinking most of the time and I want to have a wholesome meet-up with friends after work without it feeling like an actual event and driving every where. Also I make friends better in the UK than here. I really want to come back home but I feel the cost of living is keeping me away. If I didn’t have to take care of my family, I’ll give it all up and move back. We need to do something about the Cost of Living tho. You don’t get enough bang for your buck. Especially as a professional that’s spent so many years studying and toiling.
Thanks Sky C, thats a powerful insight. People always think the grass is always greener. I have realised that no-where is perfect, everywhere requires compromise. The dress thing did annoy me tho, afterwork drinks and people show up in shorts and t-shirt, or sometimes even scrubs.. I love the London and most of the UK has a nice drinking and dining scene, and people dress nice.. seems superficial, but its how we were raised..
Yup nowhere is perfect. With that said i'm a junior doctor in the UK who is studying for the USMLEs. The training and conditions have gotten worse and worse in the UK and it seems this trend will continue. We are undervalued, understaffed and underpaid. The US isn't perfect but at least you are properly paid for the services you render. The UK treats drs and other health care professionals like absolutely garbage. We pretty much have the longest training times in the world, not because it takes that long to train doctors, but because much of the training is filled with pure service provision, even at reg level to prop up a failing health service. It's great that health care is free at the point of use, but it comes at the expense of the staff who work in the system and the vast majority of patients clearly don't care as they continue to vote for the tories every single time, who I'm sure want the NHS to collapse, so that they can finally privatise it and sell it off to their mates. At this point, I really don't care. The sooner the NHS collapses, the better things will be for health care professionals, and the public will finally realise how good they had it, after they chose to continually vote to destroy it.
@@vans4lyf2013 When I was in the UK (US med student doing a foreign rotation) almost every doctor I met was studying for USMLE. Those that had tried and failed said it was better in the UK anyway. Health care is NOT free in the UK. It is expensive, rationed, and compromised for cost savings. It is a two tiered system serving the "haves" and the "have nots" with a definite advantage for those who "have".
@Alex A. not gonna lie to you. Choose the UK for a smoother way of life. We did mention the dress code thing but like he said it might sound superficial those little things make a diff in your social life and mental state. Going to work dressed up makes you feel somewhat important, the feeling that the government cares somewhat for all people rather than the highest bidder, is also beneficial to social interactions. You also have more connection with humanity to be honest. If you’re a black person, definitely DO NOT choose the US. Let’s not even start on that. I am a black Brit but I have never felt my race constantly being shoved in my face each day, as in to say “stay in your lane” I feel less of that back home. Not saying racism doesn’t exist but you’ll at least feel like you’re in a “racist 2021” in the UK rather than 1950’s Georgia in the US (systemically not necessarily physically). I know I’ll offend Americans with this one but.... I need a titillating conversation!!!! I have to call my friends back home, especially those that aren’t in my same profession, to have a “brain cell nurturing” conversation. Here, if it is not work friends... slight boring dinner. You can try both for yourself but in the long run, the US is not it for me. I’ll be starting plans to move back.
@@SkkyyC You have not worked in the UK as a doctor for a very long time so you have a very warped idea of what it is like. The UK government absolutely does not give a crap about drs, the work force is so depressed and demoralised. Look at the most recent insult, the 1% payrise after risking our lives for over a year battling covid, where many health workers died. Likewise they've devalued the skills of drs so much they're trying to make medicine into an apprenticeship. In what other country would they ever consider letting people who don't go to medical school become drs. They just see us as workers and our skills are nothing special so anyone can do it. UK may not have overt racism like america but the insidious gaslighting racism is rampant and can drive you crazy. When you're a black person unless you are absolutely perfect in every way and don't make mistakes and are constantly sucking up to them, they will find a problem with your work, whereas your white colleagues can perform worse than you and be given the benefit of the doubt. The UK and the US are just different, but personally I would prefer the US, better to be treated like crap and paid like a prince, rather than to be treated like crap and paid like a pauper.
So glad I found your channel, I'm training in London atm and interested in relocating to Canada. Subscribed with all the bells and whistles. Thank you!
@@jgriffin282 Disagree because many graduates can’t find work. They need to tailor residency spots to what type of doctors are needed. Provinces also need to pay similar amounts. I would agree that we could deal with another family physician only medical school like the Northern Ontario medical school. I would reduce the tuition given lower GP salaries and even do a condensed 3 year full-time course.
KC yes u do live in paradise. Sadly med schools like Queens has now dedicated medical school seats by race rather than by merit...even though there is a northern school of medicine closer to most indigenous practices, and race doesn't guarantee anyone's ability to grind through a very difficult program. Sadly we still lose many of our specialists to USA and other countries where the money is better. Regional spots like Cape Breton and NFLD call to those who have spent time there. Perhaps more rotations could be offered through the Eastern medical schools for clinics or GP students in Cape Breton. It would take your hospital spearheading or your local health authority to approach the universities. And Amy will add to this I'm sure.
@@joywebster2678 How does Queens having spot reserved to promote diversity have anything to do with getting doctors to Cape Breton? Sure that the candidates will be very intelligent the argument is that they may not have had the same opportunities to pursue extra-curricular activities, had access to internships, summer jobs, mentoring, research opportunities, etc. which are often dependent on connections and sufficient family income. Dalhousie does reserve spots for applicants from the Maritimes. Increasing the enrolment at the Dalhousie medical school and reserving more spots for Maritimes may help to retain more doctors in the area but the reality is that most doctors have lived in the larger cities and want to remain there and just like other workers many want to move where they will make more money. The other issue is that many doctors are married to other professionals and they are unable to find jobs in some of the smaller communities. The move to more remote work may actually help attract doctors to smaller communities.
I did an elective as a medical student in 2005 at Sunnybrook and absolutely loved it on the trauma team. Also more autonomy for residents compared to the uk i felt. I would love to go to Toronto but family is currently trumping it. Instead for now I’m staying in South East London doing General Practice.
Working in trauma at Sunnybrook or St. Mike's gives you the most exciting medicine in Canada. Lots of doctors not living in the large cities and not doing as exciting medicine.
@@amyseaden9069 I realized this is an old comment but in case you see it, what about SickKids and St. Michael’s Hospitals? Would they be on the same level as the other two with excitement?
@@musicenthusiast19 St Mike’s and Sunnybrook are level 1 adult trauma hospitals so you see the most serious cases. Same goes for sick kids. They are level 1 trauma for children. All competitive programs, very demanding but very interesting since you see the most complex cases. In terms of Sick kids you tend to see the most complex cases in a large portion of Ontario and other provinces.
@@musicenthusiast19 St Mike’s and Sunnybrook are level 1 adult trauma hospitals so you see the most serious cases. Same goes for sick kids. They are level 1 trauma for children. All competitive programs, very demanding but very interesting since you see the most complex cases. In terms of Sick kids you tend to see the most complex cases in a large portion of Ontario and other provinces.
You cannot talk about Canada after working in one region or province. There are 10 provinces, each administered independently. Your experience will relate to the area you worked in.
@@Aymcana Sorry, he was a foreigner on a fellowship. He was not a regular doctor working a regular job. As a Canadian I second what Gus wrote. He had a very limited experience. I doubt if he was ever outside of Toronto much less the province.
I was originally trained in Pakistan & UK for the fellowship in Surgery ( FRCS) but on getting back home I kept visiting centers of excellence in Europe ( UK, France, Germany) on account of my interest in GI / HPB surgery. I also have the privilege of working with American trained doctors at the post-graduate institute in Lahore (Pakistan) where i spent the rest of my career (about 25 years) as academic Surgeon/ teacher in surgery.
Loverly done bro. First time on your site. New subscriber. I'm a manager at one of the biggest private labs in canada 🇨🇦 and all you said was true. Overall quality of life, I think canada 🇨🇦 might have a edge over UK. Doctors are living in mansions with Nannies which is a big plus. Really enjoyed this episode 👌
@@sharonnayoo Thanks Sharon. Please, check my youtube channel "Presenting Canada To The World". I share lots of information on moving to Canada and places to visit. All my contacts are there also. Good luck. KB
Yeah this is mostly ''being a trainee Canada vs UK''. You touched on the Dr lifestyle and pay in both countries but remained very vague (especially regarding how Canadian physicians are pay and how fee for service works in Canada). Good content though, cheers. Can't believe that you guys do a 10 years residency; even 5 years seems long at times.
I'm not a doctor but I found your video very interesting. I think the two systems could borrow from each other to strengthen both systems. Less arduous work hours and focus on money in Canada and more hands-on learning and appreciation for doctors in the UK.
Work hours are lot more arduous in Canada rewatch the video. The training and practice of medicine in Canada is one of the most if not the most demanding in the world. Don't be biased by a single youtuber's opinion.
@@venlafaxinedomperidone8377 I’m working on it as we speak haha. Sitting my STEP exams this winter! I think doing Medicine in the UK then leaving to work in the US/Canada is better because 1. Im younger 2. Im in much less debt relative to American/Canadian graduates 3. My salary difference over my career will mean I’ll be better off abroad (I’ve seen estimates of between $3-5 million dollars between staying and leaving the UK over the course of a working career)
@@HassanPoyo I mean ofcourse. You will have far fewer amount of debt. But I would say that if you can, do ur foundation training as well as it gives you a back up if scores are not as desired. US can be a long journey and it is always better to have something in the bag in the meantime
@@venlafaxinedomperidone8377 Yep I understand where you’re coming from, I’m probably going to leave after my first or second year of training depending on if I can get a good residency spot!
I think the Canadian doctors’ houses that you visited would be the exception rather than the rule. Orthopedic surgeons are among the highest paid (and most likely to be sued) specialties. Family doctors, paediatricians, etc earn much less. (I’m a doctor in Canada). Good presentation overall.
Especially in the Greater Toronto Area. Homes that are very average are going for over 1.2 million CAD these days. The big mansion type homes you showed near the beginning of the video would be out of reach for most working professionals.
Thanks for your review on toronto I visited London for the first time and was really impressed with the history and richness of the city. London is a tier 1 though so it’s more comparable to New York in terms of size. Glad you’re enjoying it here even all the things the locals complaining about lol ahaha
Great video! Thanks for this. I too am an orthopaedic surgeon in the Caribbean trying to figure out my next career move. Your video has been very helpful! I'm now subscribed and will be watching the others
In Canada if as an international md you choose a) underserved program or b) Province short on MDs u will be more successful than aiming only for big city experiences. I worked with an e cellent south African MD in Northern Ontario, he took a 2.5yr post there before moving on easily into university to become a cardiologist. This route allowed him to sponsor his mother and brother to immigrate with him.
South African doctors don’t need to repeat their residency so it is much easier to move to Canada. Only IMGs from US, Australia, UK, Ireland, NZ and South Africa don’t need to repeat their residency or do a supervised training program in an underserviced community (only available in a few provinces and mostly for GPs). You can no longer sponsor siblings so this must have been quite a while ago. Cardiology is not an in demand specialty where you can’t find a job in Canada so also indicates that this may have been a while ago as well.
@@amyseaden9069 yes it was a while ago...before I left Canada worked in USA got my PhD and returned to Canada. Where we were hiring psychiatrists from India now who had to do all kinds of repeats to qualify even though they sulked and felt it was ridiculous. So does my post meet your magnifying glass now? 🔍
@@joywebster2678 Just pointing out that South African doctors are not treated like the majority of IMGs. Don’t want others reading these posts to be under the impression that the process for most IMGs to get licensed is easy or guaranteed. For the majority of IMGs getting licensed in Canada they may attempt to secure a residency for years and they may need to change specialties. There will never be a leftover radiology, ophthalmology, dermatology, etc. residencies after Canadian medical students match. Would assume the majority of Indian IMGs were doing a psychiatry residency because psychiatry is not a popular specialty for Canadian medical students. After Canadian students match there tends to be a lot of leftover GP residencies especially in smaller centres, pathology residencies, psychiatry residencies, public health residencies and a few others. Many residencies are for French speakers so if you are an IMG from a French speaking country your chances of getting a residency increases. One of the reasons that we have so many IMG pathologists and unfortunately some have not been great and therefore there have been quite a few scandals where it is discovered that a pathologist has missed things like cancer. Believe now there are 2 pathologists who review all samples.
@@chi8772 the curriculum and medical schools have been assessed to be equivalent to the medical school and residency programs in Canada. Most programs are either taught in English or require English language knowledge. Switzerland and Taiwan are the only non-English as a first language countries on the list but instruction and practice often requires you to be proficient in English. Taiwan, Hong Kong and Switzerland have been added to the list of countries not requiring extensive retraining since I replied 2 years ago. Usually programs are based on the UK system which is also why physicians who have trained in Hong Kong are not required to repeat their residencies but doctors from mainland China would need to repeat their residencies or do other equivalent retraining program. In terms of South Africa there aren’t a huge number of medical schools and r Residency programs/teaching hospitals to be assessed. For example in larger countries with a large number of medical schools, like India for example, it would be much more difficult to ensure all the medical schools and residency programs met a certain standard even if the programs were based on the UK system. There is likely quite a large variability in skills and experience depending on where you did you did medical school and where you did your residency. For example in a public versus private institution, in a small city versus large city, etc. It would be very difficult to assess the skills of all Indian doctors as one while in a smaller country it would be much easier. South African doctors have been able to get relicensed in Canada relatively easily for quite a long time which is why there are a lot of South African doctors who have been practicing in Canada for decades.
Great video mate. I have not worked in either but as you say if money is your priority and you are a doctor, the UK comes off very much second best. In addition to Can would also look at Australia and NZ as earning potential among specialists is excellent particularly for surgeons in private practice. For example I know of one surgeon here who makes NZD3m a year.
FYI...the public school system in Ontario is actually often better than the private school.system. Often the students in the private schools are those who have been kicked out of the public system for inappropriate behaviour. Some parents send their children to private school for perceived elevated status but actually the public schools are great (unlike on many other countries).
I thought exactly the same thing; that it was the case in Canada that they made sure the public schools were excellent so that everyone could get a good education. In the UK, it seems like they have a system with top-notch schools that everyone wants to get into and that are seen to make or break your career and life, but that are extremely hard to get into, and are very expensive.
@@vans4lyf2013 never said it I worked in the system and people are not paid by performance .....too much management staff very lazy patronizing those who are really working hard
Thank you so much Dr Jude! Absolutely brilliant video! I am currently in high school in London (although I am originally Canadian) and have applied to med schools here but have also been accepted to U of T undergrad. I think I am going to end up going to U of T because, as a Canadian, I feel medicine will probably give me more opportunity in Canada. I have seen the NHS first hand and you are totally right when you say that doctors in the UK are more discouraged about medicine because of a lower societal appreciation. It is a tough choice tho cuz London is an amazing place. Let me know your opinion
@@amyseaden9069 Yes but you could also argue that even after getting a medicine degree, competition stays very high with exams and placements. So I don't think competition is really a deterring factor. For me, it's more about where it would be nicest to practice medicine. And the NHS doesn't seem too great over recent years
@@yashaardaad4533 There is a very high number of very high achieving students who all want to be doctors in Canada. I went to U of T and the half the health sciences class wanted to be doctors. I also was an RA in a U of T residence and approx20 of 30 students wanted to be MDs. I was blunt and said that maybe one would end up in medical school and to open their eyes to other career opportunities and try other fields because many are only aware of a few professions and that most of U of T is filled with students that were top of the classes in their high schools. The students thought I was pretty harsh but many came to be at the end of 1st or 2nd year and indicated that I was right and were no longer thinking about pursuing medicine. I always say that you must think that medicine is the only thing you could ever find enjoyment pursuing or it’s not worth it. Many Canadian students apply multiple times before being admitted to a Canadian medical. Off the top of my head I can think of 5-10 I know who did a masters degree while trying to get into medical school. Some took 4 tries to get in. There are a very large amount of Canadian students going abroad to study medicine and then trying to reenter the system. Many end up doing residencies in the US because they can’t get into a Canadian residency. Some never return to Canada because it is too hard to reenter the system. The cost of medical school has also skyrocketed. Many students are graduating with 100-250k in debt. Just trying to be realistic. If you got into a UK medical school you already know you’ll likely be an MD while you can’t say that if you come to Canada.
@@amyseaden9069 You're right. However, the reason I think U of T is better for me is that I am not entirely certain on medicine and so I want a few years to explore my options during an undergrad before plunging head first into a career which I may not end up enjoying. I find that in the UK, there are so many students who go into medicine without really knowing that it's what they want to do. I would rather take time to make sure that medicine is the right career for me. With Covid, I haven't exactly been able to get very much work experience either. Also, there is the question of whether I actually get in the a med school in the UK or not. Med schools in the UK often don't give offers until April, and competition is really high here as well so there is a good possibility that taking a gap year is my only option if I stay. If let's say I don't get into a med school in the UK, and you were in my position, would you go to U of T or would you take a gap year and reapply to UK med schools? Thanks for the responses btw; this is really helpful :)
@@yashaardaad4533 Really depends if you want to be a doctor. U of T is certainly not easy so if you have excellent marks out of secondary school your chances of admission into medical school may be better in the UK. If you don't know if you want to be a physician explore other opportunities at U of T. I actually think a gap year is a great idea and wish we had one in Canada to allow young people to grow up a bit and try and figure out what they may want to do with their life.
I just want to say that personally I think private schools are overrated. I have friends that attended both systems, and some would be considered "successful" but certainly not all. My wife is a top doctor in internal medicine/ icu at the most respected medical school and I can tell you she never went to private school, or any fancy school until residency etc.
Very interesting to hear this perspective. It's getting to where doctors and the whole medical industry in the US are losing respect and confidence. Mostly people resent the extremely high cost of it, but corporations have taken over and health care has become all about money. Even doctors aren't very happy, especially primary care. So, UK doctors earn less, but are held to very high standards of training and are under-appreciated while Canadian doctors earn more with less requirements but are respected by the population. Both are universal health care by government. I think of the three the US would be the worst choice for both doctors and patients.
Canadian physicians are held to the highest standards and have the most stringent requirements, trust me on that one. Don't believe everything people say on youtube.
I’m a doctor trained in Canada. Wish you stayed! We sure can use more orthopaedic surgeons here. I find UK doctors well trained, but I agree, the training is too long there. I wonder if it’s because NHS get more years of cheaper labour.
In the UK there are actually 2 different national healthcare entities. NHS, and NHS Scotland. NHS Scotland offers more pay and better treatment according to NHS Staff from England who relocated to Scotland.
The pay is relative in that conversion rate brings it on par and Canada is a lot more expensive but unfortunately, housing in UK is extremely expensive and thus, not able to live in the kind of houses their colleagues here live in. Private schools isn’t that expensive as my daughter was in a private school with fees of £20K per year.
This is such a useful and informative vid! I've been looking for a vid like this that explains all the pros and cons of training in the NHS vs canada. thank you!
Hi Dr Jude - actually getting into a training programme in the UK if you’re foreign is not easy. Immigration rules state that you can only have a training number if there are no suitable UK candidates. This is called the resident labour market test. This has temporarily been halted last year or so but generally British and foreign candidates are considered separately
Hey Amitabh, you are right, IMGs do have it slightly more difficult than UK grads, but numerically I mean if there are 100 jobs, 98 are not ring fenced for UK grads only, like they do in Canada.
I’m afraid they sort of are (exceptions are GPs, psych, paeds, EM! If 100 jobs are advertised and there are 100 suitable British applicants and 100 suitable foreign applicants, none of the foreign ones will get in, no matter how good their scores are. For every foreigner given a job, the UK Border Agency needs to formally justify why no British equivalent was deemed suitable. I’m an international (now British) UK graduate currently working as a plastic surgery ST4 trainee in London, so I can confirm the above from personal experience sadly..!
@@DRJUDE no worries! I had no idea of all that either before I applied for ST3. That sounds like a great idea, it would be fantastic to contribute to your channel
I know you’re a Londoner but there’s a lot more to the U.K. and you’d definitely find your money goes further outside the capital as regards housing and private education.
Being an NHS doctor you know you are going be treated like shit but that one patient that shows some gratitude or says thank you makes the whole difference!
Respect for what you do should go without saying, but that doesn't mean unaccountable, unfortunately, not all medical professionals have respect for their patients either
I’m intrigued, why is practicing in Canada “way” better? From the video the main points were: pay (better in Canada), working hours (better UK), respect - which may I add, doctors are still largely hugely respected in the UK (from experience). Seemed pretty close in my opinion. I’d be interested to hear where your views differ though.
@@benh7870 Lol Dr Jude is being nice, training in the UK is pretty crap tbh. Chronic understaffing, crappy working conditions, long training years, much of the training filled with service provision in medical specialties, we pay for our own postgrad exams and hardly get any time to study for them. I could go on forever. Then once you're a consultant you're considerably underpaid compared to the rest of the English Speaking world. There's hardly any private practice opportunities, except in London, so most doctors can't supplement their paltry NHS salaries and even in London, private practice is dominated by a few veteran doctors, so the overhead and malpractice you need to run a private practice isn't worth it for the average doctor. Also the NHS contract even limits the amount of private practice we can do. Our pensions used to be the envy of the world, it's not nearly as good as it used to be and will probably get way worse before I become a consultant. No one in their right mind would choose the UK over Canada/US/Australia, unless they had strong family ties to the UK.
Hi Dr. Jude, thanks for making this video I found it very useful!
I was born in Vancouver and did my undergrad in Toronto but am now doing medical school in the UK. I have a never ending debate about whether I want to go to CA or stay here - I appreciate all your insights :)
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I’m in a similar position. Undergrad in Canada, PhD in UK, and then medical school in New Zealand. I love NZ, but I wish I could work a year or two asa junior in Canada more easily.
@@annajones9701 not anymore
Definitely worth pointing out that there is no “Canadian” medical system - it’s a provincial responsibility. Hence training, pay and culture can vary from province to province, especially Quebec ;)
Varies between each province and pay varies also significantly which has lead to some provinces struggling to secure physicians where as Ontario and Alberta have attracted a large portion of physicians. Lots of issues in the residency program as when training the wrong type of physicians. Lots of unemployed cardiologists when we need GI doctors for example.
@@amyseaden9069 and family GPs
@@pollystyrene99 GPs are a given but there are residency spots available for GPs. They tend to be part of the few specialties making up the unmatched spots. We have made some strides with a GP only medical school although a second GP only medical school that is more condensed (like 3 yrs full-time year round) with reduced tuition would be more advantageous versus another medical school that trains every form of doctor.
You don't really get paid for it, you get paid more to be a hospice
tell me about quebec and how ''training, pay and culture'' is different there
I'm not training to be a doctor and I found this really interesting! Thank you.
Big shoutout to all you amazing hardworking doctors and doctors in the making🙌🏽♥️🏆
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Wearing suits on a daily basis. Yes! My grandfather was a suit wearing man, its how he grew up and I'll keep the tradition alive.
Loveee this!! I’m a nurse from Canada actually interested in trying to work in the uk for a bit so this was super interesting to watch. Awesome video!
Oh my gosh heyyyy...I'm a supporter😘😘😘😘..Love your videos❤❤❤..you inspire me❤❕
@@alukodemilade4116 thank youu girl ❤️❤️
Stay in Canada, the pension is better.
@@jeanpauljeanpaul2530 hahah it’s not a permanent thing, I just wanted to go to the uk for a while just for the experience but not to live permanently ☺️
@@kiearacelina I’m a lab tech from Canada, I went to the UAE to work, made a ton of money, then came back. I took an unpaid leave of absence from the hospital so my benefits and pension could continue.
Don't let the casual dress culture stop you from wearing your favourite tailored suit! I work in the civil service in a back office role where most of my colleagues are dressed down. Nevertheless, I insist on showing up to work in a suit and tie everyday. No one has ever given me a dirty look for breaking convention. Wear whatever makes you feel good!
Love the videos! much respect. As a doctor myself I find them very useful. I'm currently working in the Royal orthopaedic hospital in Birmingham and I must say orthopaedics is a lovely speciality!
Thank you so much! Thats kind! Ortho is a great specialty for sure!
hey man small world, my friend's dad works there as an anesthetist
Lookatcha sir how much money do you earn as a doctor? Plz reply. Thanks a lot.
15:30 is so powerful! Great video 👌🏽
Your Video are Just Awesome ❤
Much respect. Education and desire makes a person anything they dream.
Thank you! you are not wrong
...And money to support the pursuit
STRONG brother keep the hard work
Definitely better to be a doctor in Canada. Don't forget that everything in London costs the same as in Canada, except it's printed in pounds.
canada is trash. enjoying those communist lockdowns? lmaoooo, bahhhhh
@@kgbkgb7616 those lock downs are every where except in the US where you let 600 thousand people die. Those lock downs in Canada reduced our deaths to only 24 thousand. Now we only have about a 10th of the US population so if Canada has the same population as the US, we'd have around 240 thousand deaths. Less than a third. So lock downs are shitty yes but they are definitely keeping more of us alive.
@@ibbzjoseph3841 if covid was actually killing 10% of its people and not infecting only the west, than Id take this scamdemmic more seriously. look into a book by Claus Schwab, head of the WEF, titled 'covid 19: the great reset'. he is a globalist and explains every detail of what were seeing is for neo fuedalist communism. in 2030 youll own nothing and be happy. its not conspiracy. they lay the plans out in plain sight.
@@kgbkgb7616 you are fried lmao
@@ibbzjoseph3841 ok buddy take all your vaccines, wear your mask, and never come out of your home again. and im fried? lmaoooo
I'm a nurse in Canada. We dress so casual I almost rolled up to work in my pajamas LMAO. Luckily I came to my senses and threw on some yoga pants ahaha
This is so relatable. Plain Pants and plain shirt works. Joggers are acceptable too. But I mostly use the scrubs from the dispenser in winter.
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@@smasherblues5322 not a hospital, nursing home 😂 its the best
But that's what scrubs are for. So you can wear pyjamas at work.
I'm not trained to be a doctor. I found this channel by accident and you stores are so interesting . Thank you
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I feel like the medical training years are the roughly same.
For someone to become a specialist Dr in the uk it is 5years med school + 2 years internship+ 7-8 years specialty training = 14-15 years in total
For Canada, 3-4 years first degree+ 4 years medical school+ 4-6years training = 13-14 years (and it’s roughly the same for America)
At the end of the day, the whole medical journey is the same standardly.
Asides form money, and the “North America” life, I prefer the UK system cos it straightforward in my opinion and flexible with the luxury of options.
In Canada and the US you need to finish your residency to have a license to practice independently, while in the UK, after the 2 year internship straight out of med school you can practice “Independently”, and have the option of exploring and working as a “locum” Dr.
Also those 2 years of interning gives you an idea of what you want to do.
Making a decision and going into a specialty right after medical school, would have been a challenge for me.
Also, I believe moving from one specialty to another is easier in the UK. I would imagine with Canada and the US, one might need to “start” the residency again if they change their minds (I could be wrong on this).
You can leave training after your fist year if internship (ideally after the second year).and decide not to specialise and still work as a doctor, in specialties you’re familiar and comfortable with as an SHO (senior house officer). I do not think this is possible in North America, as you need to complete Residency in order to practice on your own in a specific specialty.
There are also a number of pathways to becoming a specialist in the UK which isn’t the conventional training method one of them is the CESR or CEGPR route.
Overall, I prefer the UK system. I was an IMG who had to research and make all of these considerations before choosing the UK.
Slight amendment to the UK system for you, can be up to 16 years in the UK given the extra year in some med school programs for intercalating a second degree usually a BSc some courses offer MSc's and PHDs tho
3yr minimum for US residency not 4
The time that really matters is the time spent training as a doctor.. that needs to be right. I think 4-5 years is not enough, but then 10years + is probably too much
@@DRJUDE Also F1 and 2 are basically just service provision. Same can be said for IMT1-3.
The fact that you can practice as a GP after medschool, without need for specialization is the key difference. And it makes a world of difference when you have student debt etc. In the North American system, trainees will go through the process but may not necessary match to a position in the next step - residency of choice, fellowship, and you are at risk of being stuck because you’ve accrued at this debt but still so many more years before you even start to make any money to pay it back. Not to mention the extremely high income tax in Canada. What’s the point of making $400k if half of that is income tax. Might as well work less and have more personal life, and enter a lower tax bracket. So it isn’t only about the number of years - I mean obviously medicine is a long and difficult road any way you look at it.
Hello Dr Jude, I understand that you wanted to come to Canada. I'm from England but living in Canada. I don't like it here and believe happiness is more important then money. I've been here over 10 years and want to go back. It's just so different here compared to back in England. All the best:)
I am in the same boat, I have been here over 20 years in Toronto, and may lose capital with a move back to the U.K. , but there is no social life after 30 in Canada, you are supposed to move to the suburbs, and work to pay for your over priced home and taxes till you die. I'd rather take a chance and lose a bit of capital , to end up in a small community, with a local pub and town center, and people who base their opinion off of who you are and not what you do for a living and how much you make.
Love your videos Dr. Jude. I have spent time in the UK (love it) and live in Canada; the dressing up part is spot on. I think at times here in Canada we are a little too casual when it comes to work attire, or even for those special occasions. Please keep sharing your experience and knowledge with us. Cheers
As a health care professional In the Uk 🇬🇧 (nurse) I am really inspired by your videos you make goals in health care seem possible to achieve.
Thanks for the great video. Im a consultant in Canada working fee for service. I think the renumeration issue is very important and you highlighted some important points. I work fee for service so I get paid based on the procedures I perform and the number of cases I see. I think it can go both ways. In Canada I have an incentive to stay and do a case at 4pm on a Friday since I get remunerated for it. I have done a fellowship in the UK where consultants frequently made excuses to cancel cases or postpone not for patient reasons but for personal reasons. To them it didn't matter whether the case got done today or tomorrow.
My favorite part was when you talked about the fashion. Americans dress down to almost everything which is such a huge difference from going to university in Nigeria where dressing up was a must. I love to dress up so I'm often "overdressed" and I don't care. Great video! I think you like Canada better.
These videos are really well made, always appreciate getting your perspective! Final year med student here.
Thanks bud! glad you enjoyed..
Amazing video....Dr Jude u had to sit for the qe1,nac osce before practice in Canada .....or the fellowships are enough.
Please do answer, I am in a fix betwn Canada and the UK
I know your parents are proud of you. Such a blessing...
In Québec, it works a little bit differently. We finish high school at 16, we have 2 years of cégep (science stuff) and then we go straight into medschool for our doctorate degree ! 4 years of medschool then we start residency
Although technically you can get in with a DEC the majority of medical students have a BSc and some even have a masters degree. After doing more research it is less competitive to get into the French speaking medical school versus the English speaking medical school. Supply and demand.
U get a PhD to be a medical doctor?? I'm in Ontario colour me horrified
@@joywebster2678 You don’t get a PhD. A large percentage entering medical school in Ontario already have masters degrees.
@@amyseaden9069 you said you all get your doctorate which is a PhD level academic degree. You mean you get your medical degree which doesn't require a masters, I.e. is optional.
@@joywebster2678 I actually didn’t say that. The original poster said that. I assume it is because she is a native French speaker. A medical degree in Canada is a post grad degree but is still called bachelor degree in medicine. In the US you get a doctor of medicine although similar entry requirement
I’m a Canadian first year uni student taking my UCAT for a UK medical school to come back to Canada, this was a really helpful video, thank you!
My British doctor returned to Britain after only 5 years as he didn't like the system here.
How much your british doctor earns as a doctor?
Canada is also about exploring a new and adventurous relationship with the outdoors and the phenomenal natural environment. Quality of life is not comparable to cars and houses. Life is much more than that. Just say you returned to what you feel more at home with. Overcrowded London and the UK does not come even a tiny bit close to Canada. Stay where you feel at home in the UK.
Great Video🌸. In South Africa 🇿🇦 you do 6 years undergrad MBCHB, register with a the council, do 2 years as clinical intern and 1 year community service, then you are good to go. It’s also competitive to get a job but specialist are in demand. It’s also a lucrative career like anywhere else in the world. Nb: I’m not a Dr.
Specialist training in South Africa is very competitive, after community service you require medical officer time ideally at an academic hospital in the speciality you want. Further, you often (specialty dependent but most specialities) require exams (informally known as ‘part ones’) to qualify for the interview. Watching this post call-I had a little tear when I heard him mention their hours ! I’m a proud SA doctor though and wouldn’t want train anywhere else
And then you move to Canada to practice. Lol. Many doctors in the north are from South Africa.
Yep! I wanted to say this. Training Programs tilt towards Canadian Citizens. That's why many IMGs go the US or UK route.
There are only certain amount of residency spots. Wouldn’t it make sense to train the students you’ve already invested in? As a Canadian I tell all IMGs to consider the UK, Ireland or the US if they want to guarantee they will be able to practice medicine. Many don’t listen🤷♀️
@@amyseaden9069 Yeah. You are absolutely correct. Not enough spaces so it's best IMGs choose UK or US route. Better prospects there.
@@ibyabu Even Canadians who have attended medical school abroad end up having to train through the US. UK loses so many physicians that it is fairly easy to enter the system.
Not towards Canadians only but Canadian Medical Graduates.
I just discovered this video and you have single handedly renewed my faith in medicine! Thank you!
Here in the States, doctors are the #1 most respected profession in terms of prestige, difficulty and for humanitarian reasons.
Also I think your experience was very Toronto centric ;) it varies dramatically. Toronto is incredibly different than all other communities in Canada.
It's no longer Canadian.
@@ELee-zv5ud Oh really? Where did it go?
I think it may be important to differentiate that this is the system in Ontario. Not Canada in general.
Very True! I'm also really talking about London
He's not really describing how it is in Canada. One year does not make an expert.
If it wasn't for the money to pay back, I wouldn't mind practicing in europe. I love the european lifetyle. We work too much and ambitious in the US and Canada but I also enjoy that too. I just wish I had more time travel more often. Thanks for making this video
In my experience if you see a doctor in the ER they will usually be wearing scrubs (probably because it is easier to clean, less restrictive, ready for anything, and helps to put people at ease), if you see a doctor in some kind of an office they will be dressed up. One specialist doctor I had to visit espeically dressed up extra snazzily, sometimes even had a bow tie instead of the regular tie, and I always enjoyed his creative socks. It often matters on how old they are. The younger doctors put more effort into their clothing. Also, you are experiencing Toronto's hospitals. It can be a bit different elsewhere.
Another great inspiration from Dr Jude
thank you man!
I think the argument for Canada is stronger!
Oh man.. I think you are right!
Thank you very much Dr. Jude! Your vedios are very helpful to FMG students looking to shape their life in a better way! GOD BLESS YOU AND YOUR ENTIRE FAMILY!
I'm not a doctor. But as in any career, I'll choose quality over pay. Get the best training you can and practice where you are valued and paid the most. Nevertheless I love my NHS. Thank you NHS and thank you Dr Jude.
wtf oxymoronic!?
choose quality over pay
also practice where you are paid the most! crazy ppl
60-90 hours a week blew my mind and I thought the UK was tough
Its pretty brutal, but its not for long!
Omg it’s my favourite youtuber lynlifestyle, can I get an autograph please
Lol. We indians look at residents in Canada and all we can think is how come they have it so easy.
@@DRJUDE that's a nice street full of houses....what neighborhood is it in?
@@longhorn789000 Oakville
If it took you 1 year in Canada Vs 10 in London to call it a tie....then Canada it is 😂
looooool, probably some truth in that!
Most medical students have only 5 years of school and in Canada you rarely get in after 3 years. 4 years is rare actually. Many medical students I know have masters degrees because getting into medical school is very competitive. Fellowships are almost a must these days. Think you are minimizing the hours in Canada.
@@amyseaden9069 there is an alternative in canada in most universities for the wealthy. you can donate money to the research of the interviewing professor. and depending on the amount, they will accept you straight up. good luck proving anything though. this is hush hush. merit is great but the criteria to get into med school in canada is so vague that marks alone don't get you in.
@@asadb1990 Nobody is being admitted to Canadian medical schools because their parents donated to the university. Think you are confusing Canada with the US.
@@amyseaden9069 you don't donate to the university. you donate to the professor who is interviewing you in the form of a "reasearch grant". its not very common because its a large sum and the candidate still has a good shot at getting in. if the candidate doesn't have any drive, they wouldn't bother.
I loved this video! It's so niche, but exactly what I was looking for. I want to be an orthopaedic surgeon in Canada after graduating from med school!
You are brave, I don’t like seeing blood and damaged bodies... I am more interested in law, creative writings, poetry and psychology. God bless you Dr...✊🏽
I feel like I need to make the biggest decision of my professional life. Where do I specialize and what do I specialize in (all the way from Ghana 🇬🇭) . No one prepares you for this !
I've decided to become a midwife in Canada. I would love to be a doctor but I couldn't choose a specialty apart from labour and delivery. So thats my choice. I would suggest study up on it now. Ive been studying up for years and applied without my credentials being 100% achieved and now ive applied again with my prerequisites accomplished. Best of luck.
6:10 huge props to even mentining this. Most doctors won't admit it or are just in denial about it. But this is the truth. There are even studies on it.
Moved to the US for work and pay, 10 years later I am still home sick. I’m envious of my friends back home in the UK. Like he said I miss the tacit dress code we have in the UK. I hate feeling over dressed, I really don’t get Americans’ way of thinking most of the time and I want to have a wholesome meet-up with friends after work without it feeling like an actual event and driving every where. Also I make friends better in the UK than here. I really want to come back home but I feel the cost of living is keeping me away. If I didn’t have to take care of my family, I’ll give it all up and move back. We need to do something about the Cost of Living tho. You don’t get enough bang for your buck. Especially as a professional that’s spent so many years studying and toiling.
Thanks Sky C, thats a powerful insight. People always think the grass is always greener. I have realised that no-where is perfect, everywhere requires compromise. The dress thing did annoy me tho, afterwork drinks and people show up in shorts and t-shirt, or sometimes even scrubs.. I love the London and most of the UK has a nice drinking and dining scene, and people dress nice.. seems superficial, but its how we were raised..
Yup nowhere is perfect. With that said i'm a junior doctor in the UK who is studying for the USMLEs. The training and conditions have gotten worse and worse in the UK and it seems this trend will continue. We are undervalued, understaffed and underpaid. The US isn't perfect but at least you are properly paid for the services you render. The UK treats drs and other health care professionals like absolutely garbage. We pretty much have the longest training times in the world, not because it takes that long to train doctors, but because much of the training is filled with pure service provision, even at reg level to prop up a failing health service. It's great that health care is free at the point of use, but it comes at the expense of the staff who work in the system and the vast majority of patients clearly don't care as they continue to vote for the tories every single time, who I'm sure want the NHS to collapse, so that they can finally privatise it and sell it off to their mates. At this point, I really don't care. The sooner the NHS collapses, the better things will be for health care professionals, and the public will finally realise how good they had it, after they chose to continually vote to destroy it.
@@vans4lyf2013 When I was in the UK (US med student doing a foreign rotation) almost every doctor I met was studying for USMLE. Those that had tried and failed said it was better in the UK anyway. Health care is NOT free in the UK. It is expensive, rationed, and compromised for cost savings. It is a two tiered system serving the "haves" and the "have nots" with a definite advantage for those who "have".
@Alex A. not gonna lie to you. Choose the UK for a smoother way of life. We did mention the dress code thing but like he said it might sound superficial those little things make a diff in your social life and mental state. Going to work dressed up makes you feel somewhat important, the feeling that the government cares somewhat for all people rather than the highest bidder, is also beneficial to social interactions. You also have more connection with humanity to be honest. If you’re a black person, definitely DO NOT choose the US. Let’s not even start on that. I am a black Brit but I have never felt my race constantly being shoved in my face each day, as in to say “stay in your lane” I feel less of that back home. Not saying racism doesn’t exist but you’ll at least feel like you’re in a “racist 2021” in the UK rather than 1950’s Georgia in the US (systemically not necessarily physically). I know I’ll offend Americans with this one but.... I need a titillating conversation!!!! I have to call my friends back home, especially those that aren’t in my same profession, to have a “brain cell nurturing” conversation. Here, if it is not work friends... slight boring dinner. You can try both for yourself but in the long run, the US is not it for me. I’ll be starting plans to move back.
@@SkkyyC You have not worked in the UK as a doctor for a very long time so you have a very warped idea of what it is like. The UK government absolutely does not give a crap about drs, the work force is so depressed and demoralised. Look at the most recent insult, the 1% payrise after risking our lives for over a year battling covid, where many health workers died. Likewise they've devalued the skills of drs so much they're trying to make medicine into an apprenticeship. In what other country would they ever consider letting people who don't go to medical school become drs. They just see us as workers and our skills are nothing special so anyone can do it. UK may not have overt racism like america but the insidious gaslighting racism is rampant and can drive you crazy. When you're a black person unless you are absolutely perfect in every way and don't make mistakes and are constantly sucking up to them, they will find a problem with your work, whereas your white colleagues can perform worse than you and be given the benefit of the doubt. The UK and the US are just different, but personally I would prefer the US, better to be treated like crap and paid like a prince, rather than to be treated like crap and paid like a pauper.
The lifestyle, working hours, working environment and great quality of life is what makes Canada win over UK anyday! It's damn obvious!
I love this. How am I only seeing this now. Inspirational I had to subscribe.
@13:56, if you can see the Toronto City skyline from your home, you are living very well. @16:24, that looks like where my nieces live in Ajax.
So glad I found your channel, I'm training in London atm and interested in relocating to Canada. Subscribed with all the bells and whistles. Thank you!
We are desperate for doctors here in Cape Breton ,Nova Scotia .We are building a new E.R ! We live in Paradise!
CHOOSE US ❤🙏🙏🇨🇦
He may not like the Maritime fashion/dress code 😅
We need to open up more medicine spots in Canadian Universities. There is no reason we should be exporting foreign Doctors.
@@jgriffin282 Disagree because many graduates can’t find work. They need to tailor residency spots to what type of doctors are needed. Provinces also need to pay similar amounts. I would agree that we could deal with another family physician only medical school like the Northern Ontario medical school. I would reduce the tuition given lower GP salaries and even do a condensed 3 year full-time course.
KC yes u do live in paradise. Sadly med schools like Queens has now dedicated medical school seats by race rather than by merit...even though there is a northern school of medicine closer to most indigenous practices, and race doesn't guarantee anyone's ability to grind through a very difficult program. Sadly we still lose many of our specialists to USA and other countries where the money is better. Regional spots like Cape Breton and NFLD call to those who have spent time there. Perhaps more rotations could be offered through the Eastern medical schools for clinics or GP students in Cape Breton. It would take your hospital spearheading or your local health authority to approach the universities. And Amy will add to this I'm sure.
@@joywebster2678 How does Queens having spot reserved to promote diversity have anything to do with getting doctors to Cape Breton? Sure that the candidates will be very intelligent the argument is that they may not have had the same opportunities to pursue extra-curricular activities, had access to internships, summer jobs, mentoring, research opportunities, etc. which are often dependent on connections and sufficient family income. Dalhousie does reserve spots for applicants from the Maritimes. Increasing the enrolment at the Dalhousie medical school and reserving more spots for Maritimes may help to retain more doctors in the area but the reality is that most doctors have lived in the larger cities and want to remain there and just like other workers many want to move where they will make more money. The other issue is that many doctors are married to other professionals and they are unable to find jobs in some of the smaller communities. The move to more remote work may actually help attract doctors to smaller communities.
I did an elective as a medical student in 2005 at Sunnybrook and absolutely loved it on the trauma team. Also more autonomy for residents compared to the uk i felt. I would love to go to Toronto but family is currently trumping it. Instead for now I’m staying in South East London doing General Practice.
Lol you and me both my friend! considered extending and exploring consultant opportunities, but family kind of trumpt everything else
Working in trauma at Sunnybrook or St. Mike's gives you the most exciting medicine in Canada. Lots of doctors not living in the large cities and not doing as exciting medicine.
@@amyseaden9069 I realized this is an old comment but in case you see it, what about SickKids and St. Michael’s Hospitals? Would they be on the same level as the other two with excitement?
@@musicenthusiast19 St Mike’s and Sunnybrook are level 1 adult trauma hospitals so you see the most serious cases. Same goes for sick kids. They are level 1 trauma for children. All competitive programs, very demanding but very interesting since you see the most complex cases. In terms of Sick kids you tend to see the most complex cases in a large portion of Ontario and other provinces.
@@musicenthusiast19 St Mike’s and Sunnybrook are level 1 adult trauma hospitals so you see the most serious cases. Same goes for sick kids. They are level 1 trauma for children. All competitive programs, very demanding but very interesting since you see the most complex cases. In terms of Sick kids you tend to see the most complex cases in a large portion of Ontario and other provinces.
You cannot talk about Canada after working in one region or province. There are 10 provinces, each administered independently.
Your experience will relate to the area you worked in.
He worked in the largest province, representing the third of Canada population
@@Aymcana Sorry, he was a foreigner on a fellowship. He was not a regular doctor working a regular job. As a Canadian I second what Gus wrote. He had a very limited experience. I doubt if he was ever outside of Toronto much less the province.
I think the training in Europe though long and hard emphasizes more on ethics and attitude than anywhere else.
And how many countries have you trained in to qualify you to speak on this?
I was originally trained in Pakistan & UK for the fellowship in Surgery ( FRCS) but on getting back home I kept visiting centers of excellence in Europe ( UK, France, Germany) on account of my interest in GI / HPB surgery. I also have the privilege of working with American trained doctors at the post-graduate institute in Lahore (Pakistan) where i spent the rest of my career (about 25 years) as academic Surgeon/ teacher in surgery.
@@khaliddurrani6432 Thank you for your work and experience but very importantly, your response.
Loverly done bro. First time on your site. New subscriber. I'm a manager at one of the biggest private labs in canada 🇨🇦 and all you said was true. Overall quality of life, I think canada 🇨🇦 might have a edge over UK. Doctors are living in mansions with Nannies which is a big plus. Really enjoyed this episode 👌
Uk has class though. simple living high thinking
Are there any jobs in your labs. Moving to Canada soon 😭😭
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Thanks Sharon.
Please, check my youtube channel "Presenting Canada To The World". I share lots of information on moving to Canada and places to visit. All my contacts are there also.
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@@sharonnayoo Hi Nigerian 👋🏽
Our family doctor is from the Uk, but is happily practicing here in Canada !
Making alot more money here in canada👍
Ikea datz how much money does your doctor earn in canada? Plz reply. Thanks a lot.
Yeah this is mostly ''being a trainee Canada vs UK''. You touched on the Dr lifestyle and pay in both countries but remained very vague (especially regarding how Canadian physicians are pay and how fee for service works in Canada). Good content though, cheers. Can't believe that you guys do a 10 years residency; even 5 years seems long at times.
I'm not a doctor but I found your video very interesting. I think the two systems could borrow from each other to strengthen both systems. Less arduous work hours and focus on money in Canada and more hands-on learning and appreciation for doctors in the UK.
Work hours are lot more arduous in Canada rewatch the video. The training and practice of medicine in Canada is one of the most if not the most demanding in the world. Don't be biased by a single youtuber's opinion.
@@jfar3340 Yes, I understood that the work hours are more arduous in Canada, I was stating what I wanted to see happen.
@@reneedoiron7560 gotcha ;)
@@jfar3340 Thanks for replying!
not subscribed, not looking at related content, but here I am suggested by the algorithm and I see you doing NUMBERS!
UK: balanced
Canada/US: the harder you work the more you get (reputation, finances etc)
If you are unfortunately in medicine in the UK, after graduation, try running out as fast as you can
@@venlafaxinedomperidone8377 I’m working on it as we speak haha. Sitting my STEP exams this winter! I think doing Medicine in the UK then leaving to work in the US/Canada is better because 1. Im younger 2. Im in much less debt relative to American/Canadian graduates 3. My salary difference over my career will mean I’ll be better off abroad (I’ve seen estimates of between $3-5 million dollars between staying and leaving the UK over the course of a working career)
@@HassanPoyo I mean ofcourse. You will have far fewer amount of debt. But I would say that if you can, do ur foundation training as well as it gives you a back up if scores are not as desired. US can be a long journey and it is always better to have something in the bag in the meantime
@@venlafaxinedomperidone8377 Yep I understand where you’re coming from, I’m probably going to leave after my first or second year of training depending on if I can get a good residency spot!
@@HassanPoyo as long as u have full gmc... u can all the time u want to
I think the Canadian doctors’ houses that you visited would be the exception rather than the rule. Orthopedic surgeons are among the highest paid (and most likely to be sued) specialties. Family doctors, paediatricians, etc earn much less. (I’m a doctor in Canada). Good presentation overall.
Especially in the Greater Toronto Area. Homes that are very average are going for over 1.2 million CAD these days. The big mansion type homes you showed near the beginning of the video would be out of reach for most working professionals.
Gerarda cronin sir how much do you earn as a doctor in canada? Plz reply.thanks a lot.
Thanks for your review on toronto I visited London for the first time and was really impressed with the history and richness of the city. London is a tier 1 though so it’s more comparable to New York in terms of size. Glad you’re enjoying it here even all the things the locals complaining about lol ahaha
Great video! Thanks for this. I too am an orthopaedic surgeon in the Caribbean trying to figure out my next career move. Your video has been very helpful! I'm now subscribed and will be watching the others
In Canada if as an international md you choose a) underserved program or b) Province short on MDs u will be more successful than aiming only for big city experiences. I worked with an e cellent south African MD in Northern Ontario, he took a 2.5yr post there before moving on easily into university to become a cardiologist. This route allowed him to sponsor his mother and brother to immigrate with him.
South African doctors don’t need to repeat their residency so it is much easier to move to Canada. Only IMGs from US, Australia, UK, Ireland, NZ and South Africa don’t need to repeat their residency or do a supervised training program in an underserviced community (only available in a few provinces and mostly for GPs). You can no longer sponsor siblings so this must have been quite a while ago. Cardiology is not an in demand specialty where you can’t find a job in Canada so also indicates that this may have been a while ago as well.
@@amyseaden9069 yes it was a while ago...before I left Canada worked in USA got my PhD and returned to Canada. Where we were hiring psychiatrists from India now who had to do all kinds of repeats to qualify even though they sulked and felt it was ridiculous. So does my post meet your magnifying glass now? 🔍
@@joywebster2678 Just pointing out that South African doctors are not treated like the majority of IMGs. Don’t want others reading these posts to be under the impression that the process for most IMGs to get licensed is easy or guaranteed. For the majority of IMGs getting licensed in Canada they may attempt to secure a residency for years and they may need to change specialties. There will never be a leftover radiology, ophthalmology, dermatology, etc. residencies after Canadian medical students match. Would assume the majority of Indian IMGs were doing a psychiatry residency because psychiatry is not a popular specialty for Canadian medical students. After Canadian students match there tends to be a lot of leftover GP residencies especially in smaller centres, pathology residencies, psychiatry residencies, public health residencies and a few others. Many residencies are for French speakers so if you are an IMG from a French speaking country your chances of getting a residency increases. One of the reasons that we have so many IMG pathologists and unfortunately some have not been great and therefore there have been quite a few scandals where it is discovered that a pathologist has missed things like cancer. Believe now there are 2 pathologists who review all samples.
@@amyseaden9069hello sorry, why is it different for South African doctors?
@@chi8772 the curriculum and medical schools have been assessed to be equivalent to the medical school and residency programs in Canada. Most programs are either taught in English or require English language knowledge. Switzerland and Taiwan are the only non-English as a first language countries on the list but instruction and practice often requires you to be proficient in English. Taiwan, Hong Kong and Switzerland have been added to the list of countries not requiring extensive retraining since I replied 2 years ago. Usually programs are based on the UK system which is also why physicians who have trained in Hong Kong are not required to repeat their residencies but doctors from mainland China would need to repeat their residencies or do other equivalent retraining program. In terms of South Africa there aren’t a huge number of medical schools and r
Residency programs/teaching hospitals to be assessed. For example in larger countries with a large number of medical schools, like India for example, it would be much more difficult to ensure all the medical schools and residency programs met a certain standard even if the programs were based on the UK system. There is likely quite a large variability in skills and experience depending on where you did you did medical school and where you did your residency. For example in a public versus private institution, in a small city versus large city, etc. It would be very difficult to assess the skills of all Indian doctors as one while in a smaller country it would be much easier. South African doctors have been able to get relicensed in Canada relatively easily for quite a long time which is why there are a lot of South African doctors who have been practicing in Canada for decades.
Great video mate. I have not worked in either but as you say if money is your priority and you are a doctor, the UK comes off very much second best. In addition to Can would also look at Australia and NZ as earning potential among specialists is excellent particularly for surgeons in private practice. For example I know of one surgeon here who makes NZD3m a year.
FYI...the public school system in Ontario is actually often better than the private school.system. Often the students in the private schools are those who have been kicked out of the public system for inappropriate behaviour. Some parents send their children to private school for perceived elevated status but actually the public schools are great (unlike on many other countries).
I thought exactly the same thing; that it was the case in Canada that they made sure the public schools were excellent so that everyone could get a good education.
In the UK, it seems like they have a system with top-notch schools that everyone wants to get into and that are seen to make or break your career and life, but that are extremely hard to get into, and are very expensive.
Brilliant content Dr Jude.
If NHS docs were paid more I think it would be an easy choice.
They are paid enough
@@simplesofisticatedjs3106 are you one?
@@vUvUgrl I'm a nurse
@@simplesofisticatedjs3106 Lol not even close to enough. I assume you think nurses are paid enough too then?
@@vans4lyf2013 never said it I worked in the system and people are not paid by performance .....too much management staff very lazy patronizing those who are really working hard
As soon as you mentioned money and medicine.... SUBSCRIBED .... your being 100 transparent and Thanks 🙏
Loved the such informative comparison . Respect bro 🙌
Thank you man!
Kanwarpal sir how much do you earn as a doctor? Plz reply. Thanks a lot.
New favorite doc channel
Thank you man!
Thank you so much Dr Jude! Absolutely brilliant video! I am currently in high school in London (although I am originally Canadian) and have applied to med schools here but have also been accepted to U of T undergrad. I think I am going to end up going to U of T because, as a Canadian, I feel medicine will probably give me more opportunity in Canada. I have seen the NHS first hand and you are totally right when you say that doctors in the UK are more discouraged about medicine because of a lower societal appreciation. It is a tough choice tho cuz London is an amazing place. Let me know your opinion
You may not get into med school in Canada. It is extremely competitive and many students now have masters degrees.
@@amyseaden9069 Yes but you could also argue that even after getting a medicine degree, competition stays very high with exams and placements. So I don't think competition is really a deterring factor. For me, it's more about where it would be nicest to practice medicine. And the NHS doesn't seem too great over recent years
@@yashaardaad4533 There is a very high number of very high achieving students who all want to be doctors in Canada. I went to U of T and the half the health sciences class wanted to be doctors. I also was an RA in a U of T residence and approx20 of 30 students wanted to be MDs. I was blunt and said that maybe one would end up in medical school and to open their eyes to other career opportunities and try other fields because many are only aware of a few professions and that most of U of T is filled with students that were top of the classes in their high schools. The students thought I was pretty harsh but many came to be at the end of 1st or 2nd year and indicated that I was right and were no longer thinking about pursuing medicine. I always say that you must think that medicine is the only thing you could ever find enjoyment pursuing or it’s not worth it. Many Canadian students apply multiple times before being admitted to a Canadian medical. Off the top of my head I can think of 5-10 I know who did a masters degree while trying to get into medical school. Some took 4 tries to get in. There are a very large amount of Canadian students going abroad to study medicine and then trying to reenter the system. Many end up doing residencies in the US because they can’t get into a Canadian residency. Some never return to Canada because it is too hard to reenter the system. The cost of medical school has also skyrocketed. Many students are graduating with 100-250k in debt. Just trying to be realistic. If you got into a UK medical school you already know you’ll likely be an MD while you can’t say that if you come to Canada.
@@amyseaden9069 You're right. However, the reason I think U of T is better for me is that I am not entirely certain on medicine and so I want a few years to explore my options during an undergrad before plunging head first into a career which I may not end up enjoying. I find that in the UK, there are so many students who go into medicine without really knowing that it's what they want to do. I would rather take time to make sure that medicine is the right career for me. With Covid, I haven't exactly been able to get very much work experience either. Also, there is the question of whether I actually get in the a med school in the UK or not. Med schools in the UK often don't give offers until April, and competition is really high here as well so there is a good possibility that taking a gap year is my only option if I stay. If let's say I don't get into a med school in the UK, and you were in my position, would you go to U of T or would you take a gap year and reapply to UK med schools? Thanks for the responses btw; this is really helpful :)
@@yashaardaad4533 Really depends if you want to be a doctor. U of T is certainly not easy so if you have excellent marks out of secondary school your chances of admission into medical school may be better in the UK. If you don't know if you want to be a physician explore other opportunities at U of T. I actually think a gap year is a great idea and wish we had one in Canada to allow young people to grow up a bit and try and figure out what they may want to do with their life.
I just want to say that personally I think private schools are overrated. I have friends that attended both systems, and some would be considered "successful" but certainly not all. My wife is a top doctor in internal medicine/ icu at the most respected medical school and I can tell you she never went to private school, or any fancy school until residency etc.
Very interesting to hear this perspective. It's getting to where doctors and the whole medical industry in the US are losing respect and confidence. Mostly people resent the extremely high cost of it, but corporations have taken over and health care has become all about money. Even doctors aren't very happy, especially primary care. So, UK doctors earn less, but are held to very high standards of training and are under-appreciated while Canadian doctors earn more with less requirements but are respected by the population. Both are universal health care by government. I think of the three the US would be the worst choice for both doctors and patients.
Canadian physicians are held to the highest standards and have the most stringent requirements, trust me on that one. Don't believe everything people say on youtube.
The NHS is a joke for doctors
I’m a doctor trained in Canada. Wish you stayed! We sure can use more orthopaedic surgeons here. I find UK doctors well trained, but I agree, the training is too long there. I wonder if it’s because NHS get more years of cheaper labour.
Great video man! I've always thought about emigrating but my roots are here in the UK
Same here! ultimately it was the roots that brought me back!
In the UK there are actually 2 different national healthcare entities. NHS, and NHS Scotland. NHS Scotland offers more pay and better treatment according to NHS Staff from England who relocated to Scotland.
Thanks a lot doc... Am Kenyan thinking of going to Canada for residency in radiology
The pay is relative in that conversion rate brings it on par and Canada is a lot more expensive but unfortunately, housing in UK is extremely expensive and thus, not able to live in the kind of houses their colleagues here live in. Private schools isn’t that expensive as my daughter was in a private school with fees of £20K per year.
Thank you for your assessment sir. Have really been looking forward to seeing ur contact again.
This is such a useful and informative vid! I've been looking for a vid like this that explains all the pros and cons of training in the NHS vs canada. thank you!
Hey - this was really insightful. Really well-made video! :)
Thank you Doc!
Dude ur speaking the truth bro, i worked in the same hospital at as you in canada. Good shit real talk.
Smashing comparison!
Thank you!!
Nice one. Time off/statutory holiday is probably also another big difference.
Good point! massive difference.. much more time off in the UK
UK has one of the best Emloyment rights for employees/workers and statutory parental leave/pay
if you work only 48 hours a week, it makes sense that your residency is 10 years. In the US, a surgeon resident works 90-100 hours a week.
I'm sorry what? Those hours are disgusting. ONLY 48?! that's already far too much.
Hi Dr Jude - actually getting into a training programme in the UK if you’re foreign is not easy. Immigration rules state that you can only have a training number if there are no suitable UK candidates. This is called the resident labour market test. This has temporarily been halted last year or so but generally British and foreign candidates are considered separately
Hey Amitabh, you are right, IMGs do have it slightly more difficult than UK grads, but numerically I mean if there are 100 jobs, 98 are not ring fenced for UK grads only, like they do in Canada.
I’m afraid they sort of are (exceptions are GPs, psych, paeds, EM! If 100 jobs are advertised and there are 100 suitable British applicants and 100 suitable foreign applicants, none of the foreign ones will get in, no matter how good their scores are. For every foreigner given a job, the UK Border Agency needs to formally justify why no British equivalent was deemed suitable. I’m an international (now British) UK graduate currently working as a plastic surgery ST4 trainee in London, so I can confirm the above from personal experience sadly..!
@@amsathac Ahh thanks for that info! We have a lot of international grads on training programmes, didnt realise..Maybe I should get you on the channel
@@DRJUDE no worries! I had no idea of all that either before I applied for ST3. That sounds like a great idea, it would be fantastic to contribute to your channel
I know you’re a Londoner but there’s a lot more to the U.K. and you’d definitely find your money goes further outside the capital as regards housing and private education.
Great video Dr. Jude! Thanks for your hard work here in Toronto!
*This video is just what I need now As motivation to invest*
thank u so much for uploading on this topic! lately I have been quite confused as to which country I choose! God bless u Dr. Jude!
Being an NHS doctor you know you are going be treated like shit but that one patient that shows some gratitude or says thank you makes the whole difference!
Would rather get paid more and get praised for my work!
@@HassanPoyo why not both?
@@mojojojoyyz exactly
A grateful patient honestly doesn't make all the shit worth it at all.
man your username bringing up neuro memories
You need to come back to Canada. Your services would definitely be appreciated.
Doc loved it. The way you differentiate, amazing. Hope you achieve more in your life 😊
Thank you doc!
Dr hassan saeed how much do you earn as a doctor? Plz reply. Thanks a lot.
thank you doctor !!!for this explanation that made me to clear vision for my future profession as a doctor ... 😊
Respect for what you do should go without saying, but that doesn't mean unaccountable, unfortunately, not all medical professionals have respect for their patients either
Thank you Jude, my wife is an oncologist in Toronto and you're spot on
Frederic sir how much money does your wife earn as an oncologist in toronto? Plz reply. Thanks a lot.
@@pikusarker1359 2020...$420,000
@@apetiwa sir is it in canadian dollars or us dollars and before tax or after tax? Plz reply. Thanks a lot.
@@pikusarker1359 Toronto,so pre tax CAD
@@apetiwa sir one last question how many years of experience does your wife have working as an oncologist in toronto?
So basically studying in UK is way better, but practicing is much better in Canada
Basically yeah
I’m intrigued, why is practicing in Canada “way” better? From the video the main points were: pay (better in Canada), working hours (better UK), respect - which may I add, doctors are still largely hugely respected in the UK (from experience). Seemed pretty close in my opinion. I’d be interested to hear where your views differ though.
That’s what I’m doing. After my nursing I’d practice here in uk for six months and move to Canada.
@@benh7870 Lol Dr Jude is being nice, training in the UK is pretty crap tbh. Chronic understaffing, crappy working conditions, long training years, much of the training filled with service provision in medical specialties, we pay for our own postgrad exams and hardly get any time to study for them. I could go on forever. Then once you're a consultant you're considerably underpaid compared to the rest of the English Speaking world. There's hardly any private practice opportunities, except in London, so most doctors can't supplement their paltry NHS salaries and even in London, private practice is dominated by a few veteran doctors, so the overhead and malpractice you need to run a private practice isn't worth it for the average doctor. Also the NHS contract even limits the amount of private practice we can do. Our pensions used to be the envy of the world, it's not nearly as good as it used to be and will probably get way worse before I become a consultant. No one in their right mind would choose the UK over Canada/US/Australia, unless they had strong family ties to the UK.
@@vans4lyf2013 its ot always greener on the other side. But do move to the uk/Canada
Wow love this comparison! Thanks for this! New subscriber
Loved the dedication of the UK doctors, even though they weren't the highest paid. In the US, they only care about your insurance coverage.
I have experienced both systems and I've noticed that Canadian hospital buildings tend to look a bit shabbier but the doctors don't seem as stressed.