How Valve Robbed Blizzard of The Biggest eSport in the World
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valve released game with "2" on its title
- massive success
Even CS:2 was added.😂
@@tataloummojana6534 i hope for CS:2.5 🤣🤣
Too bad they can't count to 3,imagine
blizzard ignored dota for so long, everyone wanted the original heroes to play w a good quality… they fumbled the baggg thank god
cuz valve provides dota a TOP TIER ENGINE…. feels PERFECT
@@bovineavenger734they afraid number 3 could be downfall number. So always stop at 2.
Valve didn't rob Blizzard, Blizzard just constantly refuses to believe they've made any mistakes and repeatedly makes the same ones over and over.
How Blizzard took the biggest L possible by their own decision
You can't spell L without blizzard
L so loser
@@bzibubabbzibubab420You cant spell L without LMAO too
They have two "L"s in their name after all.
Do you have any idea how little "Blizzard big L by their own decisions" narrows it down?!?! There's too many candidates for Blizz biggest L for this to be the one for sure
I love how one dude replied "Is this an out of season april fools joke?"
When diablo immortal was annouced
Ye😮
most based blizzard fan of all time.
YOU GUYS DON'T HAVE PHONES??
Can't blame him, Imagine spending hundreds of dollars to get in the event of your beloved game just to see the announcement for a spinoff mobile P2W game.
I'm disappointed that you forgot to add the fact that they tried to add a Terms of Agreement with the Warcraft:Reforge's custom maps where they will legally own any maps/game modes made/created in W:RE to prevent another Dota 2 incident from happening
that is awful by the way if you make anything remarkable they can literally steal and sell your custom map as a game
I disagree with the decision i wish it wasn't an industry standard
@@sakesaurus thats why its dead now
@@mortredpta it is? There's plenty examples of customs and scenario editors in games that ARE active but respective game publishers hold the right to treat the players as unpaid slaves and can even modify the contents how they please without any permission of creator's.
It's seriously messed up and nobody thinks of disputing it but instead go and make mario maker 2 levels/GD/roblox/etc.
@@mortredpta Reforged itself is a giant toilet brush. Blizzard owning custom maps is just the dingleberry on top.
It was a moot point because the sc2 map editor could make anything, except a map that was fun.
With how much Blizzard has bungled everything I'm glad Valve won.
Exactly my words, I feel so glad for Dota fans that Valve got to manage it, in fact I support Blizzard losing all their IPs to Valve or some competent company, just so their games had a chance to be good again. I really miss the old days of Overwatch.
@@fabianoalexandre1720 if blizzard owned dota, then dota would be almost dead nowadays, im sure of it
Agreed. All we can do now is hope Phil Spencer puts them back on the Blizzard path rather than be a money milking machine that Bobby Kotick turned them into
We probably only have LOL to play nowadays if Dota is in Blizzard's hand @@Hosenbund1
fr, dota engine is just perfect thank god blizzard didnt touch dota
Valve is winning without doing anything
just give free to use all hero EPIC King of moba
@@bjnazerigaming8302imagine blocking characters behind pay wall or 3000 hour grind in a competitive pvp sport, absolute clown sh+t
@@bovineavenger734 they say take 3 to 4 year to get all hero 🤣 so sad grinding better play mmorpg game for fun
Valve the International with $1M makes Dota so popular
@@nemocanopus7108 steamchart wining hahaha...... other platform dont has playerbase website weak af
Pretty sure Icefrog worked at multiple studios before landing at Valve. This includes Riot Games, and S2 Games (they made HoN, which was the GOAT MOBA).
On top of that, Icefrog tried to get Blizzard to believe in Dota, and they rejected him each and every time. There was no robbing, more like Valve took a good piece of furniture left on the side of the road knowing it was an extremely high quality piece that just needed some love.
I loved HoN. me and my friends played it more than dota1 when it launched. its graphics and animations were so good. good times.
@@josefernandez4423 This is how I remembered it too. Was a large period of playing HoN between dota and dota 2
Welp there was actually robbing but not by Blizzard.
Fuck Pendragon. All my homies hate Pendragon.
@@josefernandez4423 nothing like darkwood's ult
Yeah, I'd say HoN was better than dota 1 back then for sure, but, when dota 2 released, it pretty much trumped it in every way possible IMO. good times
good thing valve managed to get icefrog XD
Actually, he was hesitant at first because he truly believed that it could have been better under Blizzard but he gave in anyway after 6 months with no positive feedback from Blizzard.
Dota matches with valve titles since their games started as custom maps/games like portal, team fortress 2 and counter strike
@@Layput mb at old bli$$ard but after activision nah it would be trash
@@Layputthe visual surely would be better with Blizzard
Now do how blizzard shot their OTHER foot cancelling heroes of the storm right when it was making college circuits
Sure it is getting somewhere but blizzard is hemorrhaging money more than they earn from the heroes of the storm. It is obvious in the eyes of the investors the numbers don't really generate money. So they didnt really shoot themselves on the foot but cauterizing the bleeding
They were THE golden Goose, but failed to look at the eggs they were laying which in turns made the hyenas rob them of it all.
very poetic
You, sir. Deserve an Award. GG WP.
Damn you mispelled "adopt"
Overwatch was their new golden goose but they abandon it, butcher it, and then ruined it
They cant move on from WOW. God yall better be thankful for steam handling DOTA bcs idk how it would be if its under blizzard
@@3takoyakisFully agree. Dota wouldn't be successful under blizzard.
There's also that thing in WC III Refunded's EULA that any content made there will be own by Blizzard, not whoever made it. I don't know if it's still around but this caused even more outrage back in 2020
Reforged?
@@Azhar51926 Yes
Imagine if Blizzard made a Dota 2 with the original lore of wc3 with the 4 factions. The game would've had more appeal since its roots wouldve been deeper. Its absolutely moronic how they handled the situation, what a massive opportunity wasted.
thats how it supposed to be if they didnt reject guinsoo and icefrog which would made the game and the heroes more sense and probably would have a story mode for single player probably similar gameplay to aghanims labyrinth if that make sense
But then they would include predatory MTX and game design decisions that would''ve killed the game years ago.
No. Their game engine sucks and ui looks cartoonish
Excellent point. Of course, Blizzard's tactic was to sue Valve for having a Skeleton King hero in DOTA. Okay, so now it is Wraith King. Pfft. Way to go, Blizzard.
Blizzard is like the British kid yapping meme while Valve is like gigachad but with Gaben
gaben literally looks like gigachad now
lord GabeN is the gigachad of gaming
Except for the fact that gabe allows cheating.
don't procreate.
seeing blizzard's current situation, i believe we are in the right timeline
dota 2 is far from perfect
but it could be alot i mean ALOT worse
dota 2 need more event or update....... new player quit after 10-20 games 😂😂
@@bjnazerigaming8302 too hard learning curve. Idk what can be done though.
@@potato-yx5te i give my cousin play dota 2 he quit after 10min use wk 1 skill hero active, he say to hard to farm get last hit... he stay play moba phone ML hero can jungler lvl1 atleast he say dota cool game got invoker 10 skill hero
@@bjnazerigaming8302 Mobas are not a genre for everyone, they are not friendly, very difficult (Dota being the most complex of its genre) and generally with a very "passionate" community. It is normal that there are very few new players, and even fewer that stay, people are not used to a game kicking you in the balls and laughing in your face. xD
I started playing Dota in September 23 and I fell in love at first sight, I've already accumulated almost 600 hours but I can't get any of my friends to play it for the same reason. A beautiful but also lonely experience for someone new without a group haha
@@bjnazerigaming8302high variance,multiple build gonna make user confused.Don't forget the unwelcoming community(atleast in SEA)
>be Blizzard
>reject DotA
>make HotS
>bruh.mp3
i loved hots since u can just pvp brawl 24/7 and dont have to farm minions, but i guess thats an unpopular opinion
@@crizzleyo815 My brother preferred league, I preferred dota2, but we both enjoyed playing HOTS together, was pretty bummed when they canned it because we both quit immediately after that announcement. We still both played our respective games, but HOTS was a fun game to play when we wanted to play something casual and low stress together. Blizzard just wants to milk initial sales and walk away... Diablo 2:R and WC3 reforged both could have been AMAZING games if supported well..
Heroes of Newerth was the superior game but most kids couldn’t play well enough to do decent.
You can really smell blizzard's salt when they released warcraft reforged with their new terms that custom maps made by anyone to be owned by them. Like bruh, dota's been made, you didn't give a glance at it, it's too late for that.
I like hots more than dota
well done on this vid, you're getting pretty good at the documentary format
How Gabe pulls a 100000000IQ move by not doing anything stupid and just watching competitors shoot themselves in the foot
icefrog goes to blizzard first , the only thing that they can blame is their own shortsighted and overconfident.
These type of videos are super high quality amazing work Blitz
Yes please, this kind of content is what I love and your voice delivering it kinda perfect fit
I love the Pokémon theme at the end lol, thanks for the video
Blizzard could have had chances with HoTS to compete due its early popularity BUT, some idiot got too greedy and started demand insane royalties when even a LAN-event would have price pool of total +10k and blizzard games were involved.
So what happened instead was that every non-blizzard LAN-event dropped all Blizzard games out of their e-sport event lists and went with Dota/LoL/CS events. This eventually lead to that people with esports dream started focus on these games and Blizzard games got totally over shadowed.
So Blizzard never really got "Robbed", but more that they shot their both knees and hands.
Blizzard keep shooting themselves in the foot, and doubling down on it everytime but theyre numb to it.
I was under the impression Blizzard only started working on blizzard dota _after_ the release of dota 2.
Valve game titles started as a custom map/games like portal, counter strike and tf2. Dota really fits well on Valve.
Icefrog: I can make dota game
Blizzard: No
Valve makes Dota 2
Blizzard: *Surprise Pikachu face*
Very cool to see this kind of content here. Happy to see you expanding as a creator. Keep up the good work!
"Don't you guys have phone??"
☠️☠️
You're getting really good with this kind of videos, keep it up!!
Nice video, made me remember the old days of watching StarCraft tournaments! That’s what really got me into the dota scene to begin with!
You can still wqtch brood war. It’s better than ever.
Love this kind of videos, keep them going Blitz
i didnt even realise this is a BlitzSpanks video
bro improved his editing skills and thought we wouldn't notice. gj man
Yo I love this new content stuff from you. Mini-"Documentaries" are my favourite ❤
A deserved L from Blizzard
Icefrog approached blizz first and they declined... worst decision they've ever made...
L for Late
slow brain
Some big misstakes.
1) By time Guinsoo was hired by Riot, he was not a dota developer for quite long time.
2) HoN, Smite and other moba based were realeased way before DOta2 was announced.
it wasn't just Guinsoo, pendragon was also hired but he is the Evil one. and S@ also made a big mistake, they already have icefrog as a programmer for Hon if only they gave him full control.
You forgot that when they launched reforged, they put a clause in the game stating that every single mod made in the game would belong to them legally!
make more content like this blitz!! really enjoyed these kind of videos
blizzard is done.
i see a documentary, i click. damn i was suprised blitz made this. nice
It was not the "biggest esport in the world". But it had potential. Valve managed it well and BECAME the biggest esport. Blizzard would already have discontinued Dota 2.
Dota was in very very weird place. It had a MONUMNTAL playerbase(10 million+ direct downloads of new versions PLUS all the downoads that happened in game... something along the lines of 20 mil active players). ALOT of teams(over thousand registrations to a tournament were a thing).
But..... it had a comparetively weak viewership and prize pools. Compared to the other eSport games and given the playerbase.
Something was off. It needed leedership. Valve provided.
@@daarksideyt Yes, I remember. I've playing Dota since the beginning, marked my life
@@LaraCroft-nh9sw
Hello, fellow OG.
fun fact if i`m not mistaken last playable DotA map on Warcraft RoC is last updated by Icefrog....with that said i`m glad i`m able to play dota free of charge with ANY other game designed by fans also free!
Im so glad my fav Dota 2 creator is back and bigger. Im sure Blitz wont remember but its Hai, played with you once or twice in lobby
Hi Hai
Love these kinds of vid man
Holdup I started watching this video and up until the Ad i had not realized it was BlitzSpanks, i had not watched a video of his for YEARS. Good stuff
I knew the lore of esports and dota but i have one question? why a pokemon song at the end?
Clownfall is so delayed that my guy became a researcher
valve still hasn't released the ringmaster bruv
damn I forgot this was a blitzspanks vid, good stuff
Hey blitz congrats on 100k
I remember playing Dota 1 on Warcraft 3 servers with my friends back in 2005-2006. Blizzard was too focused on WoW, they couldn't even upgrade their own game.
I think in Warcraft 3 Reforged EULA, it gives Blizzard total ownership of all the Custom Games. You know, just in case someone makes a new banger game type using their game.
very nice video (couldn't edge past 2 minutes)
The different objectives made HOTS awesome for me. The problem was it felt too shallow heroes needed talent trees if they werent gonna do items. and yeah shared xp felt like baby mode.
"Never interrupt your enemy when He is making a mistake" - NB
"you think you do, but you dont" kekw😅 the guy eats his own words
Heroes of the Storm was a really fun game tbf, but its weakness was how casual it felt compared to other MOBAs, in a genre where the audience is usually pretty hardcore.
dota is from 2004 and the first people working on it who later went to create league and riot, were at the time of leaving, trying to destroy the idea of defence of the ancients , never forget ; )))
Biggest winner here is us with this upload 🗣️🔥🔥🎉😂
Great video Blitz!!
The last clip is absolutly golden haha - i believe they are learning from their mistake or are they?
I was there Gandalf,, I was playing Dota in 2004-2005, a map version is still stuck in my memory, dota 5.83b.
How was than map? How do you compare it to 6.00 era and current Dota?
@@KitsuneFaroe it's all just a blur now but I remember playing Zeus and buying recipes instead of items. There were maybe 25-30 heroes and I don't remember the runes being there. I noticed there are still some servers with players of the old dota. Thinking of giving it a go just for the memories.
Blizzard didn't even want to hire ice forg
Watched the whole thing and realised this was a blitzspanks video 💀
Both LoL and Dota2 developers had to go through many years of experimentation to optimize game balance, hero/item variety and complexity.
When blizzard announced heroes of the storm, I thought there is no way they can possibly put up a refined game without those years of learning and tuning. Especially they had the game balance manager for sc2 for the job, who had trouble making sc2 balanced at the competitive level imo
You got balls using that pokemon theme, the Nintendo Ninjas will be here any minute.
theme name please, if you know
don't mind me yapping but in my opinion, Valve should've taken advantage of the Warcraft 3 Refunded fiasco and upgraded the DotA 2 Arcade, Map Editor, and Model Editor to grab the bleeding players of WC3 and bank on the custom game scene; and it's still a total mistake to kill the Arcade by banning monetization when Valve could've just moderated and taxed on them instead
anyway, hope Valve does something funny and make an RTS campaign series for DotA 2 with a dedicated Co-op mode like in Starcraft 2, and even an open world MMO for DotA 2 lore
btw, there was also another Warcraft 3 custom game - Pokemon Defense, that someone used as inspiration for DotA Chess in DotA 2 Arcade that eventually made it into its own Auto Chess mobile game, DotA Underlords, League's Teamfight Tactics, and even Mobile Legends Magic Chess
also, I believe that the time Icefrog asked Blizzard for collaboration, Activision already assimilated Blizzard, no?
sc2 dead also,hope sc3 hahaha...
custom game scene's kinda holding on like on life support, also co-op is getting new players everyday@@bjnazerigaming8302
also I'm not trusting blizzard on sc3 with how they ruined warcraft lore
ayo!!! this is a blitz video?
Lol the funny thing is Heros of the Storm was actually decently popular and PROFITABLE. Like Blizzard just was not making as much as they wanted. It was profitable though and so they just shut it down because they were too greedy.
wait what? Dota custom map really started just in 2009? I remember playing it by around 2005 or 2006 and i think the map version that time i think is 6.34? im not really sure. But im sure i see lots of guys playing Dota in local computer shops here in out area back then.
You got some facts wrong about about StarCraft BroodWar. The game was NOT figured out in a decade and strategies were continuously evolving and the game was more popular than ever. There was NO "new update" needed, it's like saying chess needs an update. The game only died because Blizzard forced KESPA (who organizes SC tournaments in Korea) to switch over from BW to SC2. Blizzard killed their own game when it was at its peak. SC BW although past its prime, is still very popular in Korea and strategies are still evolving and the games today are NOTHING like that games in the past.
Also the pro scene was playing BroodWar from very early on, the expansion was released around a year after the original.
There is a huge difference on the "MOBAs", they were free to play to starters, so no money needed as other genres to buy and play, and also being a team focused game instead a 1v1 it allowed people to let go the frustration of acknowledging they were bad by putting the blame on their team player.
There are also teamgames in blizzard rts games
to be completely fair, at that time blizzard was a leader in rts genre, in mmo genre and soon joining fps as well (overwatch). Also keep in mind that back then blizzard actually cared about making high quality games. Which demands lot of resources. But its possible that they just had their hands full already. Its like when youre a child, you have 10 toys, you cant play with all simultaneousely but when your sibling takes some of them you suddenly really want to play with it (hence the lawsuit).
Theoretically they could just make a halfass version of original dota, milk the brand and leave it die. But I think they just chose not to, which cost them the race. You cant have everything. HotS in my opinion is pretty fun game, but they released it in worst possible moment. Also I think they didnt read well the target audience. They tried to make it less casual than league but it wasnt enough. It was still pretty complex for very casual audience, so why leave league? Most people jumped in, liked the freshness but at some point got back to league/dota or leave the genre completely for fortnite/pubg. I think something similar to mobile legends would be much better at that time. Very simple mechanics, small map, fast games. But again, I personally like the game they created, I just think the audience wasnt there, which is sad
Robbed is a strong word and a wrong one a that, BlIzzard ignored one of the best parts of WC3 and now it cost them dearly but it was a bleesing to us DotA under Activision would be a HORRENDOUS place
using the "2" is the best decision Valve makes it. As a Dota player, I never knew that Dota and Dota2 were different companies. Thanks for sharing this video.
I saw Smite there, I love Smite sooooo much. Really changed my whole gaming habit and since years and years I’m playing 5 minutes other games and hours of Smite in a day.
StarCraft brood war wasn’t waning in popularity when StarCraft 2 came out and it certainly wasn’t a solved game. SC2 only became more popular outside of Korea. If anything the SC2 pro scene in Korea died pretty quickly with Brood war still to this day being much more popular than SC2. The game has definitely not gotten stale by any sense of the term. Blizzard’s focus on SC2 came from a wish to not be shut out of the distribution and streaming of the esports scene. StarCraft Brood War was illegally being shown on cable and tournaments being run without permission from Blizzard. Blizzard tried to sue to get either royalties or StarCraft off the air but lost the suit. SC2 represented a way for blizzard to reclaim the rights to organize tournaments and broadcast matches for StarCraft since they would be able to start everything instead of coming late to the party. The irony of SC2, a game made to be an esport, being less popular in the country that made the franchise an esport is palpable. It somewhat mirrors what happened with Dota 2 in a way
Blizzard didn’t recognize the biggest opportunity they had!
Never thought id see starcraft on blitz's channel lol
Basically all Blizzard had to do was not have share exp, add farming gold, and have a game mode that didnt have different objectives. They should hire me.
Robbed? More like blizzard said "idc about that trash custom map called dota". And it went to valve and hunts them in their nightmares to this day
I don`t know if it`s true but i read that icefrog was laughed out of blizzards office for trying to make dota a stand alone game. Valve welcomed him with open arms tho and i`m happy for that
my ears died during the starcraft launch
It's really, really heartbreaking.
My first PC game was Starcraft and Half-Life.
Those 2 games really greatest games for me all time.
And I always watched Starcraft ESports.
Also I love your recent contents
2009? I remember my friends playing Dota wayback in 2005. They even skip classes just to play in net cafes.
That was the original Dota or as we call it now, Dota 1. Game affiliated to the Warcraft.
@@israsuazo3345Yeah, that’s what he was referring to. As if Dota 1 just became popular only in 2009 when it was already very popular years before. I remember in 2006 installing Frozen Throne just to play Dota and I didn’t know anything about Warcraft III.
2009 is about the year Riot released League of Legends so I imagine that's the reason he mentioned that year. But yes I remember playing dota in 2003
@@red17Hz I played WC3 and TFT both for the campaign and skirmish before I knew DOTA was a thing, and to this day I don't know anything about WC1 and WC2
@@arthuryong4968 At that time I thought the main game is Dota and WC3 is Dota itself. I played a little bit of the main game and was like this is cool that Dota heroes are here and there is actually a story. It was only years later that I realized that Dota is only a custom map of WC3. Lol
I kinda wish Valve would make an RTS game with a bit of MOBA aspect.
Those legal battles... you know that Scyte of Vise was once calles Guinso's ;)
True
And Eul's Scepter of Divinty is still called Eul's up to this day.
For anyone wondering its pokemon RSE verdanturf town theme
Love ur vids man💕
nah icefrog went to blizzard first, blizzard told him to just make it as a mod in sc2.
I have no fear, but that Blizzard's machinegun of L's... it's scary.
Eyo am not sure if this is new type of content, but I like this.
Value didnt steal shit from Blizz, in fact, Ashenvale is a moba map, and was blizzards attempt to take (steal) 'dota' and add it into world of warcraft.. but it was too hard for them to work it out and they abandoned it leaving it as just another leveling zone in Azeroth
Blizzard: "We're going to make sure we never lose out! From now on, anytime someone makes something in our engine, it's ours, agreed upon in our EULA!"
Disney: "So... one of your players just made a Mickey Mouse RPG in your engine, so we're suing you."
Blizzard: "What? That's just something our players made, we don't claim to own- wait, sh*, we do own that."
me : is this steam ,dota, custom thing on steam any of it free ??
gaben aka thanos : 'everything'
Valve did not rob Blizzard, they let their greed get the better of them.
I remember this very clearly. Icefrog emailed Blizzard to hire him to develop DOTA. But the greedy Blizzard told him that DOTA was a mod game.
Biggest mistake in the history of the gaming industry.
Valve then gave a tour to Icefrog of their california office and gave him engineers to start DOTA 2 from the ground up.
Nokia and Blackberry would be proud
1 word = fumbled