That was a cover for them before the start of the war, I believe. "Security" droids were sold by the Trade Federation as a cover for their true purpose. Also it shows how handy these droids would be in your house when people often picked up scrapped B1s and reused them for their own purposes. They were basically Protocol droids.
Don’t forget. The blaster in the B1 droids hands, is more expensive then the droid its self. And makes up more then half the cost of the 1800. In the pen and paper Star Wars RPG, the blaster cost 1000. And the droid comes with the blaster at the cost of 1800.
@@Gibson7Clans if you want to save money, pull a Stalin: purchase two droids for every one rifle. When the droid with the rifle falls, the other one takes the rifle and keeps fighting (I know that’s ultimately historically inaccurate, but still)
One thing I always thought was overlooked on the B1s was their ability to be turned on remotely. Battles were always fought with a Frontline. But if a CIS commander was fighting a defensive battle and had some time to prepare, I imagine B1s could be hidden in sewers and storage containers waiting for the Frontline to pass over them. Then at an opportune moment they could be activated, pouring out of everything and everywhere. Hell, I'd bury 10 in every garden, 1 in every refrigerator, 2 in every car, 3 in every closet, under beds, elevator shafts, any where you could hide a brief case; I'm hiding a sleeping B1.
droidekas are a better fit for that, they're more mobile and independent, with their shields and heavy blaster fire. 3 of those is enouth to surround a jedi
@@fynnsalabim6896 So the logical way would be to hide both, a regiment of droids supporting a couple of droidekas, so enemy cannot just focus-fire them.
I always believed the Clone Army's (& yes, the whole G.A.R. was purposely nerfed by Palpatine) structure was mishandled. If the Republic had been smart (again, nerfed by Palpatine & not having a standing army in a millenia), they would've had a more "Combined Arms" arrangement, with a number of combat oriented droids integrated with & used in support of the Clones (fire support, energy shield carriers, cannon fodder, etc..). Sort of how the Unggoy (Grunts) & the Kig Yar (Jackals) to a lesser extent were used by the Covenant/Sangheili in the HALO Universe.
Another way the GAR would have been vastly improved would have been to keep the clones' tactical roles mostly limited to high-risk special missions where their physicality, training, and specially-tailored gear would have the most impact. Most of the clones would serve _away_ from the front lines as trainers and advisers, either for a centralized Republic military or for local system defense forces composed of conventional recruits. A clone trooper trained literally from birth under a cadre of the galaxy's most hardcore gunslingers, mercs, and space-ninjas to understand tactics, strategy, and logistics is certainly useful holding a blaster or driving a tank, but he'd be even more valuable in the command center.
They couldn't do that for political reasons. Droids were being vaunted as a horrifying, unethical resort in conflict, and anti-droid sentiment was strong among those who truly support ed the clone wars. To then use droids in combat roles would be political suicide - people might realize that battle droids arent inherently an evil concept, but rather a tool used by an army with it's own political merits.
As the other comments have noted, these "flaws" were all by design. The GAR was only as good as it needed to be, mostly for appearances, all while setting up the Jedi to fall, the Separatist droids to be swept under the rug, and the rank and file troopers of the coming empire to be drawn from the general population, both to swell the Imperial army's numbers and to remove potential rebel fighters from idle freedom where they may begin to oppose Palpatine.
At least once in the books (either in Yoda - Dark Rendezvous, or Labyrinth of Evil) Dooku thinks to himself "Surely it would be easier just to win - to let the droid army completely overwhelm the Republic" while reflecting on the adage that the solution you get to a problem depends on who you present it to, and that because Lord Sidious was a schemer, he would only allow a grand scheme rather than a straightforward approach.
I feel like another part of it for Sidious though is that the Sith Empire and Republic have been adversaries for millennia at this point While it would have been easier to let the separatists win and take them over, this method meant that Palpatine got to turn the Republic into the thing they were always fighting
A direct approach would have crushed the Republic, but some Jedi would have slipped out and continued fighting. The scheme was made to finish the order in whole cloth.
It also got the Republic senate to *vote* Sidious in as the ruler. Choosing your emperor is far more potent than being subjugated by one. In the pursuit of security, people will tolerate a *lot* Must have also been a little personal to disassemble the Republic under the nose of the Jedi without them noticing. That must have felt pretty good.
Damn, dude, I just wrote a star wars fanfic about New Alderaan defending against Zygerria and I included a part where B1s were used to supplement the lack of manpower, and a government mandate is implemented wherein every family is required to own one reprogrammed B1 battledroid for domestic service as to have an immediate manpower surplus in case of emergency (and to engage economy of scale upon the introduction of B1s to the military as to lower the overall cost.)
...While I know link comments are removed on this platform. Instead of a link which is automatically removed via automation moderation here, could you drop the name instead? Is it on AO3?
I could get 3 droids for the cost for the cost of a Realdoll? I could run a small shop with a crew like that. And I wouldn't skimp on their programming updates either.
@@B1-997 There's a droid covered in artificial flesh and skin, designed as a spy. Looks like whoever you like. /Much/ moolah. OTOH, pit droids can be bought in bunches for pretty cheap, buy yourself a party. And more skilled than a B1
@@B1-997 My tabletop group got a squad of B1 Droids. Duck 1, Duck 2, Duck 3, and Steve. Unfortunately, our droid frens were destroyed along with our ship by a seismic charge planted inside by a bounty hunter that wanted the party dead.
I always assumed that mentions of "ramping up Production" were supplementing the Kaminoan process with the use of the Spaarti Cylinder to Fill out the ranks with more... Semi-Disposable clones.
yeah in fact that was specifically in the pre-Disney lore about the prequals/clone wars era after the prequals were out. The Kaminoans weren't fast enough to keep up with losses and they were only maintaining numbers via lower quality spaarti clones with memories and training flash dumped into their brains as they were grown.
Another point about the droids, even if a droid is 'killed', and good parts on the 'killed' droids can often be salvaged for spare parts to keep the still-functional ones on working order.
@@tomizatko3138 I bet it takes 6 minutes to replace a droid arm, while a clone would require 6 hours of surgery, and 6 weeks of recovery. If such a surgery was even possible.
@@GoranXII Not only that, but any information a clone may have is deleted with their death, whereas a droid's memory banks might be salvaged after a fight to recover valuable intel, assuming the intel wasn't already uploaded the moment it got it.
You load 16 tons, what do you get? Another day older and deeper in debt St. Peter, don't you call me 'cause I can't go I owe my soul to the company store
I love how this guy did a flaws on the b1 and other things in star wars he did 10 flaws on and then after a while do this, it means his perspective gets bigger and he gets a better understanding
Everyone always talked about how dumb it was that they fell apart so easily, but I always thought that'd make them easier to piece back together after a fight. Any organic loss, even at a 10 to 1 ratio would be extremely cost effective. That's not even including being able to EXCLUDE all the issues that logistics and command structures bring to burden against an organic army.
It’s really fascinating the concept of competing with the Republic, a much larger faction with a much larger economy (bloated as it was), by basically turbocharging your own economy. Just circulating the existing wealth through a few major corporations that all work together to produce your military at the same time. Heck I’d buy a B1 for general house labor for just $1800.
Same even if all it could do was just the laundry and wash the dishes once a day and then go into a standby mode for the reset of day.I call that good deal.
"Republic procurement records" indicate that the Clone Trooper's main blaster was 2200 credits...WOW, you are SO deep in the lore! It is insane that the number even exists! That's why we love you!
@@doomsdaySephirothSadly that treatment wasn't necessarily unique to him. Maybe not quite that far, but there were sadly plenty of Jedi that didn't see the Clones as equals or anything at all.
The one thing the top echelon field commanders (mostly Jedi) and the Jedi council realized was that the only way they’d prevail, i.e., the Republic, was to eliminate the CIS top echelon leadership…Dooku, Grievous and the leaders of the various corporations. The CIS was fighting a war of attrition on the battlefield, a war the Republic knew they’d lose, so ultimately the Republic sought to cut the heads off of the CIS hydra as a means of achieving victory.
So, in other words.... Sever the head, the body dies. Though, they also weren't very good at eliminating the top leadership as we see in the Clone Wars. And I guess, with corporate stooges they can just promote the underling.
I remember in the novel Survivor's Quest by Timothy Zhan, they talk about the droid army and one of the characters say that "the problem with an army of battle Droids was that they were really stupid." The idea that "battle droids are bad because they're dumb" really confused me. You don't need to be intelligent to pull a trigger. But it goes to show that the Galaxy doesn't know that the war was manufactured, and to this day, most of the galaxy still believes that droids are inherently inferior to flesh and blood soldiers. It really makes you think.
I've always shared the same confusion. Even today, you can take an off-the-shelf consumer drone and use it to drop grenades or RPGs on the enemy, as seen in the war in Ukraine. It won't be long before you can attach a very small bullet to a tiny quadcopter and fly it into someone's face, as showcased in the RUclips video "Slaughterbots" by the Dust Channel. What's depicted in that video would be far cheaper than even a B1 Battle Droid. All that's needed is a battlefield management system that processes all the surveillance and reconnaissance data and lets operators (or an AI) deploy whatever drone is needed to eliminate the target. It wouldn't surprise me in the least if some version of that already existed. My best guess is that's the purpose of Anduril Industries' "Lattice" battlefield management software, which you can also find on RUclips. The new ChatGPT model already has an IQ of 120, and if that's true, it would be smarter than 91% of the population and would match the IQ level you might find in military officers or specialized technical positions. While that doesn't necessarily mean it would perform well on the battlefield today, it does show that we're not very far away.
@@mjk9388 You don't need smol bullet, you need big light recoiless rifle that ejects the same force in the opposite direction. They have existed for 100 years to deal with tanks, just don't stand behind one.
It's not really shown for some reason but the use of WW1 tactics against droids would have been devastating. The cis win very few offensive ground engagements.
The smart thing doesnt make sense coz all you need is Software, programming, a obe time cost, or something you can improve constandly using the data of the survivors to improve it constandly
@@giftzwerg7345It's cause all the droids have independent processors, yes they can learn and improvements can be made but they are ultimately limited by both memory and processing power and since they're built cheap they very likely don't have anywhere near the amount that something like C3 PO or R2 D2 would have. Any improvements in their intelligence would have to come from succeeding designs and improvements in tech. They also have to learn a lot of the things that a soldier needs to do so they can't just be killing machines like the B2. If however they were still slaved to an external computer like the original B1s were then it's a lot simpler as the ship has a lot more space for memory and far better processors that also have better cooling. Despite all that they're surprisingly effective for their price
Given palpatines "plans within plans within plans" mentality - the comparatively small republic army was likely also by design. Whilst most Human occupied worlds, especially within the core regions, we're predominantly demilitarised (or had no military culture of any kind) - with planetary/planetary system defence placed in the hands of local planetary/system fleets who were decades/centuries out of practice (and underfunded) and/or mercenary fleets, "Alien" worlds appeared to still have a more prominent and visible military presence. We easily see this with the trade federation occupation of Naboo, where the human populations under the control and protection of theed surrender within a day, all the while the Gunguns hold out until the end of the conflict and even put their grand army head to head against the droid forces (albeit in a battlefield made to egg on a droid response, so not the preferred battlefield for the Gunguns). So, one aspect that palpatine needed to achieve with the clone wars was the neutralisation of these alien militaries, but also get the world's whose militaries were neutralised by the war to vote with him on the creation of the new volunteer imperial army/navy. One tactic to neutralise would be to make sure that a lot of alien worlds were part of the separatist block. That can be delt with in post-war policy. For those worlds still within the republic... Well... Wouldn't it be terrible for the clone army if they had to fight droids built for a specific environment that the clones can't quickly adapt to? Oh dear how terrible. If only the republic had other armed forces capable of doing what the clones can't.... Oh. Wait. So you get Gunguns deployed as part of the great army of the republic to fight on Moncala. But also, sidious makes sure that many of the worlds chosen by the droids for occupation are those with said standing military forces - so clones fight side by side with local alien armies. Arm in arm. Body by body. By the end of the war Mon cala, thengungungs, twileks, rodians etc. have shed more blood for the galaxy than any human on courasant or Corellia combined... That might make them bitter, their worlds ravaged, their sons and daughters killed so that privileged pups in the core who can't even handle their own population growth can sleep well. So when palpatines empire brings up the idea of an imperial navy/army which will mostly take on human recruiters, these alien worlds vote form it because "our kind spilt our blood and died in the streets to form this empire! You humans can at least deal with your overpopulation problem by finally doing the honourable thing and putting YOUR sons and daughters on the front line!". For the human population it's a "pro-human" ideology, for the alien representatives it's a "now you must suffer" ideology. For palpatines it's a win-win. But for poor old B-1 it's no roger-roger.
If General Kalani joined the Rebel Alliance, he'd reactivate any Separatist droid factories he can find and command whatever Droid forces left as part of his Rebel cell. And work together with Captain Rex and his own Rebel cell of Clone Troopers while doing some vitriolic banter between fellow Clone Wars veterans.
@@krovianclass8772 they found like every rebel base and likely know where every Separatist droid factory is so it shouldn’t be hard for them to especially when the Rebels suddenly have like thousands of battle droids. The most Kalani would achieve would be to temporarily swell the rebellion’s ranks but not for long. A better use would be to reactivate old CIS warships like the Providence class which can go toe to toe with an ISD and hold its own. Few of those in the Alliance Fleet would make a huge difference and it’s mobile so harder for the Empire to find. Another good idea would be to convert a Luchrehulk into a mobile droid factory though that may be too resource intensive
@@Trey-dp6tlthat’s a much better train of thought. The Rebel Alliance was in sore need of capital ships, and the CIS fleet of mostly automated ships would be a perfect addition to sustain operations. Aside from how Hera used a decommissioned Lucrehulk, ships the size of a Lucrehulk or Providence fit perfectly into the Rebellion’s “stateless” strategy. They can function as mobile bases, staging grounds for fighter squadrons, construction/repair facilities for the lifeblood starfighters, and would actually have the capability of defending themselves against anything short of a Death Star or Executor.
Probably some of the best Starwars content on the platform, the dryer stuff the Lucas wanted to talk about has wet in the margins measured in a galaxy's worth of red. That's the meat of good science fantasy those realistic interactions between civilizations and individuals creates naturalistic story telling with fantastic elements, escape and enlightenment forged into story.
@@doomsdaySephirothwhich is the best part. Your flesh and blood army successfully defends a strategic world but loses 80% of its strength, you probably won’t have the numbers to defend the world again if the next attack is tomorrow…or even next week. Your droid army does the same thing, not only could you cut those losses by 40-60% by scavenging parts from the battlefield and piecing droids back together; but also the likelihood of that strategic planet having some sort of droid factory on it (or one that could be quickly set up) is also very high. It creates a situation of perpetual defense by continuously reusing components over and over, as well as turning destroyed enemy armor and ships into scrap metal to build new droids
@Engine33Truck Not only that, but those droids can also be upgraded in a way that they don't have to constantly speak and give away the plans of those they're working for. Which, of course, was a flaw of the B1 battle droid as those things could never just shut up.
@@doomsdaySephiroth if I recall right, that flaw came from them having so much unnecessary programming, or being reprogrammed too many times because of the myriad of tasks they kept getting stuck with. Simple fix: get rid of any programming not necessary to combat.
@Engine33Truck I think it was a flaw with their initial programming. After all, Palpatine and Dooku were using them to destabilize the Republic and the CIS, and what better way to do that than droids that while deadly also reveal everything while being oblivious for a few moments before realizing what they had done.
The best part is (or worst, depending on which side you are), that training new droids with better fighting programs means just developing a good program in a well isolated training area or research lab, while the droids fight with their regular program, and then you just send an update out to every droid. And as soon as the update is finished, every single droid, that got this update, becomes a better figther. No need for sending each droid for weeks or months to a training facility.
The Arc-170 was the perfect example how a B1 would be useful to the RA. Have the R2 unit control the rear gunner while the B1 operates the main guns. The B1 could also be useful for starfighter maintenance.
another thing that isn't mentioned in this video is their versatility outside of the military realm, the B1 droid is probably the greatest labor saving device that was ever invented because of its humanoid form and so could do the less savory work such as clearing sewers, sweeping streets and mining out barren worlds and asteroids. I think part of the reason the B1 was designed the way that it was is to ensure a dual use nature
While that would be awesome. We, as Star Wars fans, have been conditioned for decades now to view the CIS as the bad guys and the Clones as the good guys. So that is never going to happen.
@@grandmofftarkin1516 But we have also gotten times where we see the good of the CIS before, so there is a chance. Also although clones are more popular, there are still a ton of love for the droids.
i've said this before, the B1 is a mass-producable human-level droid that is cheap af. it's not supposed to be a super-droid, just a human crew replacer and it does that very well.
Concentration of power played against the b1s. That is why they required super battledroids and droidekas to hold the line against the clones. The b1s lacked the tactics and armor to effectively concentrate enough force to overwhelm entrenched troopers, and seldom possessed the durability to stave off clone assaults. Simply put, an army of cheap glass blasters wasn't what the CIS needed against the clones.
Lets say I have 6 million droids in orbit to fight 200k clones. Where do I deploy them that they won't become artillery sponges? Where can I possibly encircle the clones thoroughly enough to outgun their forces? There were seldom few opportunities to out manuever clone battalions led by Jedi. The war wasn't just smoke and mirrors, the GAR and CIS were closely matched on the field of combat only because the CIS could replenish the forces they were losing- but eventually their strategic resource reserves would have been expended, while the core's clone army would remain comparably stalwart and, over the life of service, cheaper to field and **maintain.** High up front cost, but cheap deployment costs. Droids need batteries and infrastructure. Clones need a ham sandwhich and fresh blasters.
@@bodaciouschad > Where do I deploy them that they won't become artillery sponges? When your army costs so little, the enemy will run out of shells first. And before that, artillery will need to cool off and take maintenance, so you can just exhaust them. > cheaper to field and *maintain.* Cheaper to provide oxygen, water, food, medicaments and resting time? Don't think so.
@@Straga_Severa in star wars they use turbo lasers as artillery. "Ammo" isn't a thing so much as batteries or fusion cells are. They have far, FAR more "shells" than the CIS had droids- and every CIS dropship shot down was fathomless destroyed droids. The CIS was a swarm army. The GAR was an elite army. If the CIS was trying to occupy CIS space, the rim and blockade core worlds, they could have had a chance. Their tactics only worked if the world had no surface to orbit infrastructure to break blockades and shield generators to prevent orbital bombardment. If the droids had to attack specific targets they almost always got bogged down in sieges where they traded thousands of droids to pin the clones down and legions to push them back an inch. You have to keep in mind that having a wizard general with precognition made it very difficult to outsmart the GAR, and their transports, jet packs and force leaps made it very hard to outmanuver them, too.
Hey Adam,I love what you do in a world building aspect and the details you throw at us. Suuuurely you’ve considered a podcast format for these videos ?
As a kid who was playing with lego and such, I saw these droids as genius and incredibly cool more so than the heavier battle droids. It's definitely cost effective extension of sovereign power.
As a service member that is just about to hit the 20 year mark. Ya, isolate the populous from the horror of war is a good long term strategy. "Low Intensity Conflict" comes to mind. When I first enlisted I knew I was going to war. Just did not know the war would last about as long as my career. GWT medal 20 year run baby!
It should be worth noting that the battle droids in Naboo were OOM Battle Droids. (The classifications can be a bit complicated) There were made by the same company, using similar hardware, but what made the OOM different was they were slightly more expensive with better computer programming, but relied on a droid control ship. Whereas the B1 was made cheaper with a simplified programming, however, designed without a need for a control ship. Of course, OOM 's were still used, albeit different roles such as crewmen.
Lore reason, or excuse depending on your opinion, is that there was a large anti droid sentiment so it would’ve turned the public against them, they were also trying to restore the republic, who fought droids so politics
Air support, and other assets, like orbital bombardsments. As well as large numbers of armored vehicles. Helped the clones greatly in VS the CIS. Also the clones and Jedi would recruit or gain the aid of the locals. Giving several advantages. And the main objectives of the war. Was to nock out as many droid factories as they could. And keep those factories offline. We even see this in the clone wars TV show.
In the Star Wars minis game I played the Droid army. A friend played the Clones. Most of the time I had a high point value piece like Grevus. My friend said they were broken and challenged me to a just base troop battle. I started the game with a 50% number advantage. At the end of turn 1 I had 2 to 1. At the end of the 3rd turn, he was wiped out. Numbers kill. If you are wondering the B1 was 4 points the the typical clone Wes 12.
It's funny, when talking about how the Droids outnumber the clones at thousands to one. I just love imagining a force where the clones are bred to be squad leaders with 10-15 driods assigned to each of them. That way you get the best of both worlds.
Starting the video hoping you mention that their visual design was based off of shrimps, the super battle droids on lobsters and crabs, and the droideka off of crawfish. Their other vehicles were likewise based on similar sea creatures, especially snails and crustation. But again I haven't seen anyone make this connection before other than myself, so I don't expect it. I've seen a LOT of videos talk about them, but never seen or heard anyone talk about this aspect of their visual design. I'll come back to edit the comment at the end. Nah. I'll wait till next time again. lol
So if the empire had more people like Thrawn instead of Tarkin, there might of been fleets of smaller frigates crewed with larger amounts of B1's? Man I want to see a what if style comic that covers that now.
A well balanced army in the Star Wars Universe I think might be a mix of high-end clone troopers and battle droids for superior soldiering and firepower, and low end battle droids and draftee/volunteers for mass. You can imagine for the New Republic local defense forces including B1 Battledroids.
Because organics tend to be more intelligent you could have one of them as an officer and then one slightly more intelligent battle droid acting as an NCO who could instantly send orders to subordinate squads of droids.
I wish those notions had been taken up by the First Order because I have no idea where their personnel came from given they were a faction (at least initially) on the run. Because as others have suggested on your channel, having First Order ships partly (or even largely) run by droids would've made more sense (and it would've also shown how Palpatine played both sides during the Clone Wars)
Star Wars Resistance. A B-1 and a squad of Super Battle Droids were 'acquired' from pirates after one of the good guys reprogrammed the B-1 to betray the pirates and take control of the other droids. B-1 was a fun character until he & the S.B. Droids were destroyed in a later episode 😢
durasteel for reference is simply a more dense and durable metal from the video of Thrawn using gold to repair on his ship. It's from the Video called Is Thrawn's Star destroyer "Chimarea" battleworthy? closer to the end.
Another reminder that the numbers of battledroids counted little when the CIS didn't have the means to deploy them in the necessary numbers, as their logistics were that much more vulnerable thanks to the Republic's stronger fleet and use of cloaked ships. A better indicator is the CIS Droid Armies deploying next to no tube artillery in spite of not only having a good and cheap design (the Defoliator. You don't even need to modify it, just load high explosive shells) but knowing from direct experience how deadly it is (see Christophsis, where a battery of four howitzers was enough to defeat a whole armored division).
yes, it's true that the Kaminoan clones took about 10 years to get ready for battle, but the secret cloning facilities on Centax II (one of Coruscant's moons) only needed 1 year to get the clones ready for battle!:P The clones were of course also of lower quality, and their first deployment was the Battle of Coruscant, to counteract the clone shortage during the Clone Wars, and to provide the necessary troops, ships and vehicles for the final offensive! the Centax Batches were around 5.000.000 clones in total!
They would have lost. The Super Tactical Droid would have come up with logical plans, and almost every major Rebel win was the result of an insane plan, crazy luck and/or The Force.
They needed army manpower early on way more then arrogant robots programmed to be that way. An army of at least B1s, B2s if could get a bunch an ESPECIALLY Destroyers/Droidekas woulda helped or even turned tables on some battles in the early days MUCH better
@isaackim7675 great shock troops too. ESPECIALLY against the likes of "elite" Stormtroopers... which is part WHY someone like Thrawn didn't find they way into the Service of the Early Rebellion... that's Exactly sorta thing I'd advised an held them in reserve for to counter the Stormtrooper frontal charge concept. An REALLY piss off the likes of Tarkin an Palpatine that love that idea. I'd rebuild Droid Rep in the Galaxys eyes too since most hated the Empire as much as the CIS. An that's just the sorta thing that ironically DID eventually rebuild Droid Rep during the Vong War. Stormtroopers would LEARN QUICK why you don't suicide Banzai charge what's basically shielded Machine guns that can ALSO chase you down, run you over, an STILL shoot you anyways if they wanted
I, for one, cannot wait until Disney makes the Battledroids real for sale, based on the work they're doing for their Disney park droids. I'd buy one for several hundred bucks!
the ultimate army would combine clones and droids, throw in some exotic races too for even more diverse enviroments like imagine the GAR but now EVERY REGULAR CLONE is in command of 10-20 B1's
B1 Droid, basically a walking gun, which didn't ask questions, didn't question orders and followed their programming to the letter and best of all, didn't complain when being sent to suicide missions
If B1 droids were a thing in our galaxy, I'd definately buy one! Here's a free idea: B1 office droids! B1s programed to do paperwork. Think "The Office" but with droids!
A robot army without forced comical antics is the most terrifying enemy and force to fight. In most cases they can win if they simply run at you and self destruct. Even if only one in ten or even hundred succeed. You can always build more of them faster then you can train not to speak of birth organic soldiers. And a real war bot would be almost incapable of missing a single short. Recalculating their short millions of times if not more just during the time it takes for them to raise their weapons into a ready position. And they make all aspects easier logistically. While needing no sleep or rest. You can pack hundreds of them into a single storage room and then just activate and march them out battle ready. The more you dive into the details the more overwhelming their advantage.
Hey @generationtech, I have an interesting video idea. What if the separatists never attempted to assassinate Padme in episode 2? In regards to the discovery of Kamino and effect on palpatines plan?
And they could have easily made the droids even more effective without jacking up the price too much. They could have included a switchable battery pack. Thus getting rid of charging time. And making them operational 24/7. They could also have given them a scomp link, which would presumably make them a lot better at piloting differen crafts. They also could have made them more modular. Like modules with more computing power to fill comanding roles or beeing able to single handedly captain a capital ship. With the rest of the droid body remaining the same.
One huge advantage the Republic had, were the space wizards, easier to win when most of your generals can turn into One Man armies, just look to what Mace Windu did to the B2 Battledroids on Clone Wars, the one with 2D animation.
One thing I never understood that the Rebels didn’t do was use Droids like the B1 in behind the scenes roles such as ship crewing, manufacturing etc. I know the Empire turned the masses against droids, but if you didn’t show them in the spotlight I feel the Rebels could’ve had way more manpower earlier on
The reply above mine sums it up well. You have to remember that there was a huge propaganda war going on as well. If the rebels had been using battle droids even for menial labor it would have been a huge propaganda loss that could have ended the war. The rebels would have been painted as the continuation of the trade federation and very well could have resulted in Luke joining the empire instead of the rebellion. This would have happened with a lot of other people as well. It possibly could have made entire planets side with the empire or at least remain completely neutral.
The nine year production timeline for clones does not represent a fixed rate, but rather the timeline of the advancing cloning technology. At the start of production, they could barely accelerate the growth process at all, but by the end they could raise a fully grown clone in a year and a half. This also had the side effect of limiting their personality growth.
well, they were originally a general-use household droid that was then programmed for combat. It's the droid equivalent of arming levies with cheap wepons and calling them troops. Which is also why adding more combat programing to them made them loopy.
iv always considered the B1s to be awesome. they are presented as the stupid stuff, but then theres like a 5 second scene where c3po is messing around in a factory and in those 5 seconds 3 B1s are assembled. the cost is insanely low and the speed at which they are produced is insane.
Before it was officially confirmed that the B1 Battle Droids were designed to look like the Geonosians who built them, why some materials in the Legends claimed that the Battle Droids were designed after the skeletons of the Neiomidians instead? After all, their apperances given it all away.
I have always thought that designing a killer robot with a primary weapon that a human enemy could pick up and use against your other killer robots is a major design flaw.
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This means pretty much any middle class household in Star wars could afford their own security battle droid
It just reprogram it and it's a simple household chore droid.
@@GeorgeWashingtonLaserMusket and another simple reprogram can turn that household droid back into a a "security" droid.
They werent even that bad either with the proper maintenance. The CIS just didnt care cause they could manufacture them at record speeds.
That was a cover for them before the start of the war, I believe. "Security" droids were sold by the Trade Federation as a cover for their true purpose.
Also it shows how handy these droids would be in your house when people often picked up scrapped B1s and reused them for their own purposes. They were basically Protocol droids.
The Second Amendment as it was intended to be implemented. Every home has a military droid.
Don’t forget. The blaster in the B1 droids hands, is more expensive then the droid its self. And makes up more then half the cost of the 1800. In the pen and paper Star Wars RPG, the blaster cost 1000. And the droid comes with the blaster at the cost of 1800.
Don't let Amazon hear that
@@Gibson7Clans if you want to save money, pull a Stalin: purchase two droids for every one rifle. When the droid with the rifle falls, the other one takes the rifle and keeps fighting (I know that’s ultimately historically inaccurate, but still)
Ah yes, Stalins Droid.@@Engine33Truck
@@Engine33Truck because they are so cheap they could easily make them at the pace of buying blasters
@@Engine33Truck bonus point if you replace blaster with single use rocket launcher. Surviving droids can find more ammo right in front of them.
One thing I always thought was overlooked on the B1s was their ability to be turned on remotely. Battles were always fought with a Frontline. But if a CIS commander was fighting a defensive battle and had some time to prepare, I imagine B1s could be hidden in sewers and storage containers waiting for the Frontline to pass over them. Then at an opportune moment they could be activated, pouring out of everything and everywhere. Hell, I'd bury 10 in every garden, 1 in every refrigerator, 2 in every car, 3 in every closet, under beds, elevator shafts, any where you could hide a brief case; I'm hiding a sleeping B1.
droidekas are a better fit for that, they're more mobile and independent, with their shields and heavy blaster fire. 3 of those is enouth to surround a jedi
@@fazzeai But the are(i imagine) much more expensive
@@joaopedroferronbravinYea but you also need far less of them
@@fynnsalabim6896 thats a Fair point
@@fynnsalabim6896 So the logical way would be to hide both, a regiment of droids supporting a couple of droidekas, so enemy cannot just focus-fire them.
My week has been shit. This is exactly what I needed...A video on the B1 battle droid. God bless Generation Tech and affiliates.
I always believed the Clone Army's (& yes, the whole G.A.R. was purposely nerfed by Palpatine) structure was mishandled.
If the Republic had been smart (again, nerfed by Palpatine & not having a standing army in a millenia), they would've had a more "Combined Arms" arrangement, with a number of combat oriented droids integrated with & used in support of the Clones (fire support, energy shield carriers, cannon fodder, etc..).
Sort of how the Unggoy (Grunts) & the Kig Yar (Jackals) to a lesser extent were used by the Covenant/Sangheili in the HALO Universe.
Another way the GAR would have been vastly improved would have been to keep the clones' tactical roles mostly limited to high-risk special missions where their physicality, training, and specially-tailored gear would have the most impact. Most of the clones would serve _away_ from the front lines as trainers and advisers, either for a centralized Republic military or for local system defense forces composed of conventional recruits. A clone trooper trained literally from birth under a cadre of the galaxy's most hardcore gunslingers, mercs, and space-ninjas to understand tactics, strategy, and logistics is certainly useful holding a blaster or driving a tank, but he'd be even more valuable in the command center.
They couldn't do that for political reasons. Droids were being vaunted as a horrifying, unethical resort in conflict, and anti-droid sentiment was strong among those who truly support ed the clone wars.
To then use droids in combat roles would be political suicide - people might realize that battle droids arent inherently an evil concept, but rather a tool used by an army with it's own political merits.
So a Clone War version of the Rebellion, I like that but more Army build
As the other comments have noted, these "flaws" were all by design. The GAR was only as good as it needed to be, mostly for appearances, all while setting up the Jedi to fall, the Separatist droids to be swept under the rug, and the rank and file troopers of the coming empire to be drawn from the general population, both to swell the Imperial army's numbers and to remove potential rebel fighters from idle freedom where they may begin to oppose Palpatine.
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Agreed. Palpatine was incredibly savvy with his manipulation of propaganda.
Always were. Rogers are cheap, economical, and are exceptional swarm units. They’re the zergling of Star Wars.
zergling? they the imperial guard of star wars
Imagining B1s running on all fours is a hilarious thought that came to me lol.
@@jiyuhong5853 No, that would be the clones if they had proper numbers.
(Clone trooper sees a bunch of B1 Droids storming his position)
Roger Rush, Commander! ROGER RUSH!
@@SgtHawk45 That would be even more genious and scary. Low profile means they're harder to hit and run fast.
At least once in the books (either in Yoda - Dark Rendezvous, or Labyrinth of Evil) Dooku thinks to himself "Surely it would be easier just to win - to let the droid army completely overwhelm the Republic" while reflecting on the adage that the solution you get to a problem depends on who you present it to, and that because Lord Sidious was a schemer, he would only allow a grand scheme rather than a straightforward approach.
I feel like another part of it for Sidious though is that the Sith Empire and Republic have been adversaries for millennia at this point
While it would have been easier to let the separatists win and take them over, this method meant that Palpatine got to turn the Republic into the thing they were always fighting
A direct approach would have crushed the Republic, but some Jedi would have slipped out and continued fighting. The scheme was made to finish the order in whole cloth.
It also got the Republic senate to *vote* Sidious in as the ruler. Choosing your emperor is far more potent than being subjugated by one. In the pursuit of security, people will tolerate a *lot*
Must have also been a little personal to disassemble the Republic under the nose of the Jedi without them noticing. That must have felt pretty good.
"Lord Tyrannus, we don't need a plan, we need a scheme. A -cackamammy- brilliant one!"
What is to say that the Republik would have not started to push out thier own droids or find some other solution
Damn, dude, I just wrote a star wars fanfic about New Alderaan defending against Zygerria and I included a part where B1s were used to supplement the lack of manpower, and a government mandate is implemented wherein every family is required to own one reprogrammed B1 battledroid for domestic service as to have an immediate manpower surplus in case of emergency (and to engage economy of scale upon the introduction of B1s to the military as to lower the overall cost.)
are you a physic or something?
Got a link to that fanfic?
Fanfic link please
...While I know link comments are removed on this platform. Instead of a link which is automatically removed via automation moderation here, could you drop the name instead? Is it on AO3?
So...the B1's are like Swiss guys owning SIG SG 550s after their military service is complete?
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I could get 3 droids for the cost for the cost of a Realdoll? I could run a small shop with a crew like that. And I wouldn't skimp on their programming updates either.
Note that the SW credit conversion to modern US $ is 10/1. That's the price of a car, not a toy.
@@thekaxmax Still cheap enough to get just one.
@@thekaxmax any price is fine to get a droid friend.
@@B1-997 There's a droid covered in artificial flesh and skin, designed as a spy. Looks like whoever you like. /Much/ moolah.
OTOH, pit droids can be bought in bunches for pretty cheap, buy yourself a party. And more skilled than a B1
@@B1-997 My tabletop group got a squad of B1 Droids. Duck 1, Duck 2, Duck 3, and Steve. Unfortunately, our droid frens were destroyed along with our ship by a seismic charge planted inside by a bounty hunter that wanted the party dead.
I always assumed that mentions of "ramping up Production" were supplementing the Kaminoan process with the use of the Spaarti Cylinder to Fill out the ranks with more... Semi-Disposable clones.
yeah in fact that was specifically in the pre-Disney lore about the prequals/clone wars era after the prequals were out. The Kaminoans weren't fast enough to keep up with losses and they were only maintaining numbers via lower quality spaarti clones with memories and training flash dumped into their brains as they were grown.
Nobody laughs at Mr Bones, well nobody laughs at him more than once!
Another point about the droids, even if a droid is 'killed', and good parts on the 'killed' droids can often be salvaged for spare parts to keep the still-functional ones on working order.
You can do it to a human as well.
@@tomizatko3138 I bet it takes 6 minutes to replace a droid arm, while a clone would require 6 hours of surgery, and 6 weeks of recovery. If such a surgery was even possible.
@@GoranXII Not only that, but any information a clone may have is deleted with their death, whereas a droid's memory banks might be salvaged after a fight to recover valuable intel, assuming the intel wasn't already uploaded the moment it got it.
@@ibraheemshuaib8954 Indeed. Though this works in both directions.
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Another day older and deeper in debt
St. Peter, don't you call me 'cause I can't go
I owe my soul to the company store
14:28 bro literally just called the Clone Wars a “dramatic LARPing event.”
I love how this guy did a flaws on the b1 and other things in star wars he did 10 flaws on and then after a while do this, it means his perspective gets bigger and he gets a better understanding
The Mechanicus approves as you're preaching the strength of steel over the weakness of the flesh
and yet it is Abominable Intelligence!!!!!!
@@rafelingd I question the Intelligence part...but you're not wrong. Omnissiah protect!
@MrGoesBoom Yeah, da golden bone boy protects.
I’m now imagining the “weakness of my flesh” speech but with a b1 voice
Praise the Ominnassh? Or Praise the God Emperor tech priest.
Everyone always talked about how dumb it was that they fell apart so easily, but I always thought that'd make them easier to piece back together after a fight. Any organic loss, even at a 10 to 1 ratio would be extremely cost effective. That's not even including being able to EXCLUDE all the issues that logistics and command structures bring to burden against an organic army.
It’s really fascinating the concept of competing with the Republic, a much larger faction with a much larger economy (bloated as it was), by basically turbocharging your own economy. Just circulating the existing wealth through a few major corporations that all work together to produce your military at the same time.
Heck I’d buy a B1 for general house labor for just $1800.
Same even if all it could do was just the laundry and wash the dishes once a day and then go into a standby mode for the reset of day.I call that good deal.
"Republic procurement records" indicate that the Clone Trooper's main blaster was 2200 credits...WOW, you are SO deep in the lore! It is insane that the number even exists! That's why we love you!
I wish I was lore so he could be so deep in me 😩😩😩
Bro’s on his apologist streak. Back in his ten flaws series, he criticized the human-like ergonomics of the B1, now here he’s praising it
Or, a design can have both positive and negative traits at the same time.
People can also change their opinions over time
Grievous, those battle droids are expensive.
“It was worth it.”
"The jedi are never that harsh on their clones." -Dooku
@@BackroomsBoi Never heard of Pong Krell.
@@mattstorm360 Krell was a traitor anyway, so he doesn't really count.
@@doomsdaySephirothSadly that treatment wasn't necessarily unique to him. Maybe not quite that far, but there were sadly plenty of Jedi that didn't see the Clones as equals or anything at all.
The one thing the top echelon field commanders (mostly Jedi) and the Jedi council realized was that the only way they’d prevail, i.e., the Republic, was to eliminate the CIS top echelon leadership…Dooku, Grievous and the leaders of the various corporations. The CIS was fighting a war of attrition on the battlefield, a war the Republic knew they’d lose, so ultimately the Republic sought to cut the heads off of the CIS hydra as a means of achieving victory.
So, in other words....
Sever the head, the body dies.
Though, they also weren't very good at eliminating the top leadership as we see in the Clone Wars. And I guess, with corporate stooges they can just promote the underling.
I remember in the novel Survivor's Quest by Timothy Zhan, they talk about the droid army and one of the characters say that "the problem with an army of battle Droids was that they were really stupid." The idea that "battle droids are bad because they're dumb" really confused me. You don't need to be intelligent to pull a trigger. But it goes to show that the Galaxy doesn't know that the war was manufactured, and to this day, most of the galaxy still believes that droids are inherently inferior to flesh and blood soldiers. It really makes you think.
I've always shared the same confusion. Even today, you can take an off-the-shelf consumer drone and use it to drop grenades or RPGs on the enemy, as seen in the war in Ukraine. It won't be long before you can attach a very small bullet to a tiny quadcopter and fly it into someone's face, as showcased in the RUclips video "Slaughterbots" by the Dust Channel. What's depicted in that video would be far cheaper than even a B1 Battle Droid. All that's needed is a battlefield management system that processes all the surveillance and reconnaissance data and lets operators (or an AI) deploy whatever drone is needed to eliminate the target. It wouldn't surprise me in the least if some version of that already existed. My best guess is that's the purpose of Anduril Industries' "Lattice" battlefield management software, which you can also find on RUclips. The new ChatGPT model already has an IQ of 120, and if that's true, it would be smarter than 91% of the population and would match the IQ level you might find in military officers or specialized technical positions. While that doesn't necessarily mean it would perform well on the battlefield today, it does show that we're not very far away.
@@mjk9388 You don't need smol bullet, you need big light recoiless rifle that ejects the same force in the opposite direction. They have existed for 100 years to deal with tanks, just don't stand behind one.
It's not really shown for some reason but the use of WW1 tactics against droids would have been devastating. The cis win very few offensive ground engagements.
The smart thing doesnt make sense coz all you need is Software, programming, a obe time cost, or something you can improve constandly using the data of the survivors to improve it constandly
@@giftzwerg7345It's cause all the droids have independent processors, yes they can learn and improvements can be made but they are ultimately limited by both memory and processing power and since they're built cheap they very likely don't have anywhere near the amount that something like C3 PO or R2 D2 would have. Any improvements in their intelligence would have to come from succeeding designs and improvements in tech.
They also have to learn a lot of the things that a soldier needs to do so they can't just be killing machines like the B2.
If however they were still slaved to an external computer like the original B1s were then it's a lot simpler as the ship has a lot more space for memory and far better processors that also have better cooling.
Despite all that they're surprisingly effective for their price
Are you in Hong Kong?
You could buy 20 B-1s for that rent
This hurts (a lot)
Also if you are in hong kong, hope you get to enjoy eating some good cantonese food they have over there.
and entire army if you live in korea
I think it's just a special effects background.
Looks like somewhere further down on Coruscant.
they might be dangerous but who dosent find them adorable too simply has no soul!
_Roger Roger_
Given palpatines "plans within plans within plans" mentality - the comparatively small republic army was likely also by design. Whilst most Human occupied worlds, especially within the core regions, we're predominantly demilitarised (or had no military culture of any kind) - with planetary/planetary system defence placed in the hands of local planetary/system fleets who were decades/centuries out of practice (and underfunded) and/or mercenary fleets, "Alien" worlds appeared to still have a more prominent and visible military presence. We easily see this with the trade federation occupation of Naboo, where the human populations under the control and protection of theed surrender within a day, all the while the Gunguns hold out until the end of the conflict and even put their grand army head to head against the droid forces (albeit in a battlefield made to egg on a droid response, so not the preferred battlefield for the Gunguns). So, one aspect that palpatine needed to achieve with the clone wars was the neutralisation of these alien militaries, but also get the world's whose militaries were neutralised by the war to vote with him on the creation of the new volunteer imperial army/navy.
One tactic to neutralise would be to make sure that a lot of alien worlds were part of the separatist block. That can be delt with in post-war policy. For those worlds still within the republic... Well... Wouldn't it be terrible for the clone army if they had to fight droids built for a specific environment that the clones can't quickly adapt to? Oh dear how terrible. If only the republic had other armed forces capable of doing what the clones can't.... Oh. Wait. So you get Gunguns deployed as part of the great army of the republic to fight on Moncala. But also, sidious makes sure that many of the worlds chosen by the droids for occupation are those with said standing military forces - so clones fight side by side with local alien armies. Arm in arm. Body by body. By the end of the war Mon cala, thengungungs, twileks, rodians etc. have shed more blood for the galaxy than any human on courasant or Corellia combined... That might make them bitter, their worlds ravaged, their sons and daughters killed so that privileged pups in the core who can't even handle their own population growth can sleep well. So when palpatines empire brings up the idea of an imperial navy/army which will mostly take on human recruiters, these alien worlds vote form it because "our kind spilt our blood and died in the streets to form this empire! You humans can at least deal with your overpopulation problem by finally doing the honourable thing and putting YOUR sons and daughters on the front line!". For the human population it's a "pro-human" ideology, for the alien representatives it's a "now you must suffer" ideology. For palpatines it's a win-win. But for poor old B-1 it's no roger-roger.
If General Kalani joined the Rebel Alliance, he'd reactivate any Separatist droid factories he can find and command whatever Droid forces left as part of his Rebel cell.
And work together with Captain Rex and his own Rebel cell of Clone Troopers while doing some vitriolic banter between fellow Clone Wars veterans.
The only problem with that is a droid factory is a huge stationary thing the Empire can find and bombard from orbit
I would use the droid foundry as an Imperial Army droid base
@@Trey-dp6tl if they ever found it
@@krovianclass8772 they found like every rebel base and likely know where every Separatist droid factory is so it shouldn’t be hard for them to especially when the Rebels suddenly have like thousands of battle droids. The most Kalani would achieve would be to temporarily swell the rebellion’s ranks but not for long. A better use would be to reactivate old CIS warships like the Providence class which can go toe to toe with an ISD and hold its own. Few of those in the Alliance Fleet would make a huge difference and it’s mobile so harder for the Empire to find. Another good idea would be to convert a Luchrehulk into a mobile droid factory though that may be too resource intensive
@@Trey-dp6tlthat’s a much better train of thought. The Rebel Alliance was in sore need of capital ships, and the CIS fleet of mostly automated ships would be a perfect addition to sustain operations. Aside from how Hera used a decommissioned Lucrehulk, ships the size of a Lucrehulk or Providence fit perfectly into the Rebellion’s “stateless” strategy. They can function as mobile bases, staging grounds for fighter squadrons, construction/repair facilities for the lifeblood starfighters, and would actually have the capability of defending themselves against anything short of a Death Star or Executor.
Probably some of the best Starwars content on the platform, the dryer stuff the Lucas wanted to talk about has wet in the margins measured in a galaxy's worth of red. That's the meat of good science fantasy those realistic interactions between civilizations and individuals creates naturalistic story telling with fantastic elements, escape and enlightenment forged into story.
Cannon fodder, cheap and capable enough to do things. Surprisingly, they are very effective.
That and their parts were salvageable to make more droids, even unique looking droids (one of which I'm working on).
@@doomsdaySephirothwhich is the best part. Your flesh and blood army successfully defends a strategic world but loses 80% of its strength, you probably won’t have the numbers to defend the world again if the next attack is tomorrow…or even next week. Your droid army does the same thing, not only could you cut those losses by 40-60% by scavenging parts from the battlefield and piecing droids back together; but also the likelihood of that strategic planet having some sort of droid factory on it (or one that could be quickly set up) is also very high. It creates a situation of perpetual defense by continuously reusing components over and over, as well as turning destroyed enemy armor and ships into scrap metal to build new droids
@Engine33Truck Not only that, but those droids can also be upgraded in a way that they don't have to constantly speak and give away the plans of those they're working for. Which, of course, was a flaw of the B1 battle droid as those things could never just shut up.
@@doomsdaySephiroth if I recall right, that flaw came from them having so much unnecessary programming, or being reprogrammed too many times because of the myriad of tasks they kept getting stuck with. Simple fix: get rid of any programming not necessary to combat.
@Engine33Truck I think it was a flaw with their initial programming. After all, Palpatine and Dooku were using them to destabilize the Republic and the CIS, and what better way to do that than droids that while deadly also reveal everything while being oblivious for a few moments before realizing what they had done.
The best part is (or worst, depending on which side you are), that training new droids with better fighting programs means just developing a good program in a well isolated training area or research lab, while the droids fight with their regular program, and then you just send an update out to every droid. And as soon as the update is finished, every single droid, that got this update, becomes a better figther. No need for sending each droid for weeks or months to a training facility.
The Arc-170 was the perfect example how a B1 would be useful to the RA. Have the R2 unit control the rear gunner while the B1 operates the main guns. The B1 could also be useful for starfighter maintenance.
another thing that isn't mentioned in this video is their versatility outside of the military realm, the B1 droid is probably the greatest labor saving device that was ever invented because of its humanoid form and so could do the less savory work such as clearing sewers, sweeping streets and mining out barren worlds and asteroids. I think part of the reason the B1 was designed the way that it was is to ensure a dual use nature
Man I would love a book or show that follows a group of B1s! The focus is always on the clones and the droids need some time in the spotlight.
While that would be awesome. We, as Star Wars fans, have been conditioned for decades now to view the CIS as the bad guys and the Clones as the good guys. So that is never going to happen.
@@grandmofftarkin1516 But we have also gotten times where we see the good of the CIS before, so there is a chance. Also although clones are more popular, there are still a ton of love for the droids.
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And not just droids, but also the organic, average soldier/militiaman of the CIS. People who genuinely believed in the cause.
@@egyptianboy2013 YES! The CIS in general needs more attention.
i've said this before, the B1 is a mass-producable human-level droid that is cheap af.
it's not supposed to be a super-droid, just a human crew replacer and it does that very well.
even better, b1 doesn't need food, or air, or sleep, only charging and few engineers to keep them running
@@kahtyman7293 AND can fit in the average overhead compartment!
@@kahtyman7293 not to mention that the engineers themselves can just be modified droids
@@kahtyman7293Heck who needs maintainance when the average life span of a droid in battle is probably few second
1:27 so they’re basically modern China? Cool
That's literally why they have those accents
so basically bad guys did their homework but lost to the power of friendship and plot armor
Concentration of power played against the b1s. That is why they required super battledroids and droidekas to hold the line against the clones. The b1s lacked the tactics and armor to effectively concentrate enough force to overwhelm entrenched troopers, and seldom possessed the durability to stave off clone assaults. Simply put, an army of cheap glass blasters wasn't what the CIS needed against the clones.
Lets say I have 6 million droids in orbit to fight 200k clones. Where do I deploy them that they won't become artillery sponges? Where can I possibly encircle the clones thoroughly enough to outgun their forces? There were seldom few opportunities to out manuever clone battalions led by Jedi. The war wasn't just smoke and mirrors, the GAR and CIS were closely matched on the field of combat only because the CIS could replenish the forces they were losing- but eventually their strategic resource reserves would have been expended, while the core's clone army would remain comparably stalwart and, over the life of service, cheaper to field and **maintain.** High up front cost, but cheap deployment costs. Droids need batteries and infrastructure. Clones need a ham sandwhich and fresh blasters.
@@bodaciouschad > Where do I deploy them that they won't become artillery sponges?
When your army costs so little, the enemy will run out of shells first. And before that, artillery will need to cool off and take maintenance, so you can just exhaust them.
> cheaper to field and *maintain.*
Cheaper to provide oxygen, water, food, medicaments and resting time? Don't think so.
@@Straga_Severa in star wars they use turbo lasers as artillery. "Ammo" isn't a thing so much as batteries or fusion cells are. They have far, FAR more "shells" than the CIS had droids- and every CIS dropship shot down was fathomless destroyed droids.
The CIS was a swarm army. The GAR was an elite army. If the CIS was trying to occupy CIS space, the rim and blockade core worlds, they could have had a chance. Their tactics only worked if the world had no surface to orbit infrastructure to break blockades and shield generators to prevent orbital bombardment. If the droids had to attack specific targets they almost always got bogged down in sieges where they traded thousands of droids to pin the clones down and legions to push them back an inch.
You have to keep in mind that having a wizard general with precognition made it very difficult to outsmart the GAR, and their transports, jet packs and force leaps made it very hard to outmanuver them, too.
Excellent points! Glad somebody spoke up for the massive pros of droid soldiers!
Dude, looking out your window, all you need are flying cars and it would look like Fifth Element.
I am a big fan of droids for the everyman! Very thoughtful to make the so afordable most middle class galactic citizens can afford good security!
Hey Adam,I love what you do in a world building aspect and the details you throw at us. Suuuurely you’ve considered a podcast format for these videos ?
As a kid who was playing with lego and such, I saw these droids as genius and incredibly cool more so than the heavier battle droids. It's definitely cost effective extension of sovereign power.
Love the comparison between the flexibility of different droid lines
As a service member that is just about to hit the 20 year mark. Ya, isolate the populous from the horror of war is a good long term strategy. "Low Intensity Conflict" comes to mind. When I first enlisted I knew I was going to war. Just did not know the war would last about as long as my career. GWT medal 20 year run baby!
It should be worth noting that the battle droids in Naboo were OOM Battle Droids. (The classifications can be a bit complicated)
There were made by the same company, using similar hardware, but what made the OOM different was they were slightly more expensive with better computer programming, but relied on a droid control ship.
Whereas the B1 was made cheaper with a simplified programming, however, designed without a need for a control ship.
Of course, OOM 's were still used, albeit different roles such as crewmen.
Wish the rebel Alliance supplemented their low personal with some cheap battle droids. But alas Lucas hadn't envisioned the sequels yet
Lore reason, or excuse depending on your opinion, is that there was a large anti droid sentiment so it would’ve turned the public against them, they were also trying to restore the republic, who fought droids so politics
I'm new to your channel and to be honest I thought someone actually made these and I was going to buy one.
Air support, and other assets, like orbital bombardsments. As well as large numbers of armored vehicles. Helped the clones greatly in VS the CIS. Also the clones and Jedi would recruit or gain the aid of the locals. Giving several advantages. And the main objectives of the war. Was to nock out as many droid factories as they could. And keep those factories offline. We even see this in the clone wars TV show.
great analysis
10:03 we also see how the jedi debated using a living being as cannon fodder toward then in Clone Wars
Thank you, for being you.
"Taxation without federation" lol
Love your vids keep it up
In the Star Wars minis game I played the Droid army. A friend played the Clones. Most of the time I had a high point value piece like Grevus. My friend said they were broken and challenged me to a just base troop battle. I started the game with a 50% number advantage. At the end of turn 1 I had 2 to 1. At the end of the 3rd turn, he was wiped out. Numbers kill. If you are wondering the B1 was 4 points the the typical clone Wes 12.
Thanks.
It's funny, when talking about how the Droids outnumber the clones at thousands to one.
I just love imagining a force where the clones are bred to be squad leaders with 10-15 driods assigned to each of them. That way you get the best of both worlds.
Starting the video hoping you mention that their visual design was based off of shrimps, the super battle droids on lobsters and crabs, and the droideka off of crawfish. Their other vehicles were likewise based on similar sea creatures, especially snails and crustation. But again I haven't seen anyone make this connection before other than myself, so I don't expect it. I've seen a LOT of videos talk about them, but never seen or heard anyone talk about this aspect of their visual design.
I'll come back to edit the comment at the end.
Nah. I'll wait till next time again. lol
Love from a Airier and Vaush fan!
So if the empire had more people like Thrawn instead of Tarkin, there might of been fleets of smaller frigates crewed with larger amounts of B1's? Man I want to see a what if style comic that covers that now.
A well balanced army in the Star Wars Universe I think might be a mix of high-end clone troopers and battle droids for superior soldiering and firepower, and low end battle droids and draftee/volunteers for mass. You can imagine for the New Republic local defense forces including B1 Battledroids.
Because organics tend to be more intelligent you could have one of them as an officer and then one slightly more intelligent battle droid acting as an NCO who could instantly send orders to subordinate squads of droids.
Man, Dooku wasn't lying when he said the Droid weren't cheap.
I wish those notions had been taken up by the First Order because I have no idea where their personnel came from given they were a faction (at least initially) on the run. Because as others have suggested on your channel, having First Order ships partly (or even largely) run by droids would've made more sense (and it would've also shown how Palpatine played both sides during the Clone Wars)
I need a Disney+ show where a repurposed battle Droid is a part of the crew
Star Wars Resistance.
A B-1 and a squad of Super Battle Droids were 'acquired' from pirates after one of the good guys reprogrammed the B-1 to betray the pirates and take control of the other droids.
B-1 was a fun character until he & the S.B. Droids were destroyed in a later episode 😢
Well there is that Lego Star Wars show that has a pieced together B1 named Roger if I remember correctly
Outlaws is kinda there with a commando droid , he gets a huge arc in the second half with a focus on it which was wild
YEESSSSS MORE DROIDS
The Aftermath book trilogy has a pretty sweet B1 sidekick
durasteel for reference is simply a more dense and durable metal from the video of Thrawn using gold to repair on his ship. It's from the Video called Is Thrawn's Star destroyer "Chimarea" battleworthy? closer to the end.
Haven’t watched Star Wars but I have watched a lot of your videos on the lore and science behind it 😂
Another reminder that the numbers of battledroids counted little when the CIS didn't have the means to deploy them in the necessary numbers, as their logistics were that much more vulnerable thanks to the Republic's stronger fleet and use of cloaked ships.
A better indicator is the CIS Droid Armies deploying next to no tube artillery in spite of not only having a good and cheap design (the Defoliator. You don't even need to modify it, just load high explosive shells) but knowing from direct experience how deadly it is (see Christophsis, where a battery of four howitzers was enough to defeat a whole armored division).
''Coruscant euh... aucun fichier euh... attendez euh... je vous arrête !...''
Is that Coruscant in the background? 😂
I can definitely see B1 Battle Droids being built in real life, maybe in the near future.
yes, it's true that the Kaminoan clones took about 10 years to get ready for battle, but the secret cloning facilities on Centax II (one of Coruscant's moons) only needed 1 year to get the clones ready for battle!:P The clones were of course also of lower quality, and their first deployment was the Battle of Coruscant, to counteract the clone shortage during the Clone Wars, and to provide the necessary troops, ships and vehicles for the final offensive! the Centax Batches were around 5.000.000 clones in total!
It really makes me interested on what would happen if the Rebel Alliance got their hands on an intact Super Tactical Droid?
They would have lost. The Super Tactical Droid would have come up with logical plans, and almost every major Rebel win was the result of an insane plan, crazy luck and/or The Force.
They needed army manpower early on way more then arrogant robots programmed to be that way. An army of at least B1s, B2s if could get a bunch an ESPECIALLY Destroyers/Droidekas woulda helped or even turned tables on some battles in the early days MUCH better
@@robertagu5533 The Droidekas would make excellent sentries
@isaackim7675 great shock troops too. ESPECIALLY against the likes of "elite" Stormtroopers... which is part WHY someone like Thrawn didn't find they way into the Service of the Early Rebellion... that's Exactly sorta thing I'd advised an held them in reserve for to counter the Stormtrooper frontal charge concept. An REALLY piss off the likes of Tarkin an Palpatine that love that idea. I'd rebuild Droid Rep in the Galaxys eyes too since most hated the Empire as much as the CIS. An that's just the sorta thing that ironically DID eventually rebuild Droid Rep during the Vong War. Stormtroopers would LEARN QUICK why you don't suicide Banzai charge what's basically shielded Machine guns that can ALSO chase you down, run you over, an STILL shoot you anyways if they wanted
I, for one, cannot wait until Disney makes the Battledroids real for sale, based on the work they're doing for their Disney park droids. I'd buy one for several hundred bucks!
the ultimate army would combine clones and droids, throw in some exotic races too for even more diverse enviroments
like imagine the GAR but now EVERY REGULAR CLONE is in command of 10-20 B1's
Modern day drone warfare has only made me appreciate the battle droids a lot more
B1 Droid, basically a walking gun, which didn't ask questions, didn't question orders and followed their programming to the letter and best of all, didn't complain when being sent to suicide missions
If B1 droids were a thing in our galaxy, I'd definately buy one!
Here's a free idea: B1 office droids! B1s programed to do paperwork. Think "The Office" but with droids!
A robot army without forced comical antics is the most terrifying enemy and force to fight. In most cases they can win if they simply run at you and self destruct. Even if only one in ten or even hundred succeed. You can always build more of them faster then you can train not to speak of birth organic soldiers. And a real war bot would be almost incapable of missing a single short. Recalculating their short millions of times if not more just during the time it takes for them to raise their weapons into a ready position. And they make all aspects easier logistically. While needing no sleep or rest. You can pack hundreds of them into a single storage room and then just activate and march them out battle ready. The more you dive into the details the more overwhelming their advantage.
Hey @generationtech, I have an interesting video idea. What if the separatists never attempted to assassinate Padme in episode 2? In regards to the discovery of Kamino and effect on palpatines plan?
If you ever wonder how good a B1 really can be look into Mr. Bones 😅
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And they could have easily made the droids even more effective without jacking up the price too much. They could have included a switchable battery pack. Thus getting rid of charging time. And making them operational 24/7. They could also have given them a scomp link, which would presumably make them a lot better at piloting differen crafts. They also could have made them more modular. Like modules with more computing power to fill comanding roles or beeing able to single handedly captain a capital ship. With the rest of the droid body remaining the same.
Playing battle front 2 on watching Gen tech hits different 😂😂😅
One huge advantage the Republic had, were the space wizards, easier to win when most of your generals can turn into One Man armies, just look to what Mace Windu did to the B2 Battledroids on Clone Wars, the one with 2D animation.
One of the most customizable droids ever built.
One thing I never understood that the Rebels didn’t do was use Droids like the B1 in behind the scenes roles such as ship crewing, manufacturing etc. I know the Empire turned the masses against droids, but if you didn’t show them in the spotlight I feel the Rebels could’ve had way more manpower earlier on
I think it has to do with clone war ptsd and people not liking driods
The reply above mine sums it up well. You have to remember that there was a huge propaganda war going on as well. If the rebels had been using battle droids even for menial labor it would have been a huge propaganda loss that could have ended the war. The rebels would have been painted as the continuation of the trade federation and very well could have resulted in Luke joining the empire instead of the rebellion. This would have happened with a lot of other people as well. It possibly could have made entire planets side with the empire or at least remain completely neutral.
@Generation Tech Just a heads up, but the channel Radio Free Corrusant seems to be copying your video ideas constantly.
I still prefer to watch Geration Tech though, he is a better speaker and goes into better details.
I don't think a small channel talking about lore or doing tierlists is "copying". Every Star Wars lore/discussion channel does this.
Many others like geestys do something similar to that so I think it's fine probably
Ah yes. Having similar ideas is definitely plagiarism. /s
You could say that about most lore channels. But its fine calm down.
In our reality, the Ulsan factory makes 5,600 cars a day, the thought of how fast a planet wide factory can make B1 battle droids, it would be unreal.
The nine year production timeline for clones does not represent a fixed rate, but rather the timeline of the advancing cloning technology. At the start of production, they could barely accelerate the growth process at all, but by the end they could raise a fully grown clone in a year and a half. This also had the side effect of limiting their personality growth.
well, they were originally a general-use household droid that was then programmed for combat. It's the droid equivalent of arming levies with cheap wepons and calling them troops.
Which is also why adding more combat programing to them made them loopy.
It's like an army of roombas with knives taped to them
I've always stood by the droid army and this only enforces my decision
Imagine how unstoppable a military would be if it had the clones and droid army
iv always considered the B1s to be awesome.
they are presented as the stupid stuff, but then theres like a 5 second scene where c3po is messing around in a factory and in those 5 seconds 3 B1s are assembled.
the cost is insanely low and the speed at which they are produced is insane.
Before it was officially confirmed that the B1 Battle Droids were designed to look like the Geonosians who built them, why some materials in the Legends claimed that the Battle Droids were designed after the skeletons of the Neiomidians instead? After all, their apperances given it all away.
If droids can send data. Then they upload just before they blow up
I also think the B1's were probably just more fun to hang out with. They were sassy AF.
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Roger, roger!
I have always thought that designing a killer robot with a primary weapon that a human enemy could pick up and use against your other killer robots is a major design flaw.
For the cost of a fancy gaming PC you can have a droid. And for the cost of a modern day house you can have an hyperdrive capable ship.