Introducing the Baroque Trumpet
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‘It’s much longer and doesn’t have any valves whatsoever.’
OAE Principal Trumpet David Blackadder introduces the Baroque trumpet, including the instrument Bach only ever wrote one piece for.
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For anyone wondering about the holes covered by his right hand fingers, they're a modern invention made to fine tune some notes, because the notes in the harmonic series are a bit higher or lower than the same notes in 12-tone equal temperament, so the holes are now included so they can sound more in tune to our modern ears.
String instruments used equal-temperament so our ears are not modern; the math is eternal.
So this means that to sound like it did in the time of Bach, they would not use the vent holes, and we would hear some notes that sound a little out of tune to us now.
@@enoffz8021 Yes
Fine Tuning Finger holes, very useful.
They were thought to be modern invention, but they already existed in the late baroque period, there is a document from around 1770 where a ‘holeless trumpet’ is mentioned, so they obviously also knew ones with holes. Anton Weidinger invented his keyed trumpet some years later (the instrument Haydn and Hummel wrote their concertos for) which had even more vents, which were then closed by keys.
Like others, I wish you had discussed the use of the vent holes and how they affect each pitch in the partials.
"Trumpets were the Ferraris of the 17th century." Classic trumpet mentality 😂. Quality video
Xaw the Symm Main How fast they could go? xD
unlike a sax, trumpet actually require skills.
*tip fedora*
you -> reddit
@@Francois_Dupont thanks for sharing
He does not address the topic of vent holes at all.
Whelden Merritt oh ya, I see him using those like valves, but I can tell that's not what they do.
They actually just finetune some notes that open would sound out of tune.
He would have had his teeth knocked out by the guild if he showed up with that in the baroque.
Donald Schneider As far as I can tell, the OAE's goal is to replicate the sound, not the difficulty. Several of their instruments utilize small modifications that make them easier to control, while still retaining the authentic sound.
They do a lot more than that; the holes radically change the acoustic behavior of the instrument and therefore the way the player approaches it.
I didn't know Arthur Weasley was a such a good trumpeter!
Chris Musix I thought the same thing. Looool
I knew I recognized him from somewhere!
If you are interested in the holes on the trumpet, they are use to finetune the notes. As the notes go higher the notes are detuned. I believe that those holes later developed into actual valves. The same situation is with the natural horn.
Finding teachers with the necessary historical knowledge is very difficult. You have a very important role in society.
I came here looking for an example of the clarion trumpet used in the Brandenburg concertos. I had no idea that the recorder was used instead of the traverso, but of course it was; 😵 it makes so much more sense to have a flute with a little more carrying power. Bravo! Lovely playing! 👏
...and what about the function of the small holes? he didn't talk about it...
From what I've read, they are a modern invention that makes the instrument a bit easier to play in tune, without noticeably changing how it sounds.
I think they discovered the small holes in baroque trumpets only recently and this explained how they were able to play so many notes in the upper register, something which had baffled musicians for a long time.
They allow you to play more notes. It's not dissimilar from the holes on a recorder
@@gerhardhofer7505 I know, I was just wondering why he didn't explain that
There are players who play baroque trumpet without vent holes, and play beautifully and accurately. Using vent holes is a little like using a later, keyed, wooden flute to play baroque music. It doesn't sound like the modern instrument, but it certainly doesn't sound like the instrument that baroque composers wrote for, either. Neither fish nor fowl.
If you drop it and it lands wrong is it baroque-en?
Lima Romeo why
;-;
How does an instrument land right?
that made my day lmao
I see what you did there
David Blackadder is an amazing name :3
Tirukinoko b
Not as funny as his ancestors, though...;-)
Featuring Rowan Atkinson.
He has a cunning plan to make a video on baroque trumpets
Wow. Such incredible control and fluidity! Interesting history, as well. Thanks.
David sounds amazing as always! Very nice way of explaining!
Time 4:15 *The natural trumpet in F was replicated in more compact form* as a configuration of the U. S. Field Trumpet 1892, which used two loops in the tube to shorten the net length (versus the Baroque orchestral trumpet, which used only one loop with small vent ports for finessing pitch).
It sounds lovely. So clear and robust.
The guy playing is amazing too. I'm sure it can't be easy to play.
Bark was a great composer.
What about wood
will goodwin, WHO?? He's talking about the magnificat from Bach here...
The subtitles say "Bark"
Raku Tzimbel
It is a pun, based on how many people say "Bark" the same way as "Bach"
will goodwin *Bach
When did Mr. Weasley begin playing trumpet?
But, how does the instrument work? It looks like he covers holes with his right hand. A tour of the thing would have been nice.
An air leak in a brass instrument is never a good thing, it does not change the pitch, it only ruins the tone. I suspect there are no holes, he is just fingering out of habit.
I own/play two modern trumpets. Last night I saw a live performance of Bach's "Jauchzett Gott..." with period instruments including what I dimly recognized as a natural or baroque trumpet. *The player was also moving his fingers.* I thought at first he might be moving rotary lever valves (such as on a modern French horn). Now I'm here. Guaranteed the fingers & holes have a purpose, though I'm not sure what. Indeed an open hole would ruin the sound, it's not like a recorder or reed instrument. Harmonically it functions the same as a bugle, with apparently longer tubing/deeper register. So I'm not sure about the holes but clearly this mystery needs to be solved!
This is a bit late, I suppose, but better late than never. There are, in fact, holes in this instrument. The problem is that the harmonic series is a physics phenomenon which doesn't really care about whether certain notes are "in tune" to your ear or not. Modern instruments deal with this in different ways, but this instrument uses small holes. Theres a difference between a faint leak, and an outright hole. Essentially what the holes do is force a low pressure node to move to a position where the vibration is now more in tune. Besides, a modern Bb trumpet doesn't use your pinky fingers, while a natural trumpet does simply so you can reach all of the holes. At 0:03, you can actually see the three holes. Two larger, and one smaller further down.
Vaughn Rhinehart What about Ophicleides and Serpents?
Sans the Skeleton We don’t talk about those anymore
Having a listen and some informative history I so want one of these now -!
Wonderful !!!!
The baroque trumpet sounds incredible.
I can't help myself, but
"Make way! Make way for the King!"
Reggie
Your comment makes me think of the movie Madness of King George:
The king! The king! Chop! chop!
you should make a video of how the trumpet develops over time, featuring various valved trumpets
I really love "The art of the baroque trumpet" (Nonsuch [label]) Edward Tarr is ace.
The book "Heroic Art of Trumpet and Kettkedrum playing" by Ernst Altenburg (1795) is a fun read.
There is a Berlin Post stamp with the score of the 2nd. Brandenburg and a pic. of Gottfreid Reicha holding his horn like trumpet. You can clearly see one tone hole.
The sheet music in the Haussmann portrait of Reiche is the fanfare "Abblasen".
Excellent, thank you very much
Fabulous!
very nice
fascinating!
Fast paced drinking game:
Take only a swig of beer each time he vocalizes his pauses.
Falling down drunk in three minutes or less.
More playing from you guys on these videos!!! :)
Great Player!
I learned more about the trumpet in last 7 minutes then I have in the past 41 years.
Great explenation!
This is how the sci show guy will look in 20 years
Alvaro Imizcoz Garcia underrated
So cool!
Allison Balsom, the great British trumpeter, plays this and she knows how to use the vent holes.
I’m sure there’s a cunning plan in operation.....love the notes it produces.
Great playing at 5:33
Orchestra of the Age of Enlightenment Bach wrote various parts for this instrument.
Isn't it funny that modern compositions (especially soundtracks) "mimic" Baroque melodies and we immediately connect that sound to that time and circumstance... but it's not because it was a "style", it was because the instruments back then literally couldn't do anything more variant?
Good video, batter than many on this series, where the players almost seem to only know things about their instruments that they got from reading the first line on the Wikipedia entry, or else they are so in love with self-derogatory bits of doggerel about their instruments that they present them as fact (much in the way that airplane pilots love to say things like their aircraft 'glides like a brick' even though they know that is very untrue).
My only real criticism of this video is the lack of mention of the presence and function of the finger holes, and failure to actually mention the term 'clarino" when discussing the upper range playing, and failure to really describe how the much longer natural/baroque trumpet tubing, compared to modern trumpets, is necessary in order to allow the instrument's clarino range to fall into a musically useful range.
Where's the spit valve? Don't tell me you have spin it over to drain the spit out.
Musicians are too poor to afford spittle.
Especially if they're baroque.
No just succ
@@TheLetterVenus at least i dont own a spit valve
OK, I won't tell you. 😁
The man has amazing control, practices almost constantly, and has a natural talent.
Did I miss you explain the holes on the side? This looks like a a perfect no moving parts for the pbone company. And for hobiest like me with tubing and time.
what about the cornetto? was it previous or did they both coexist?
Nice Bach passages
I like these videos except for the fact that I can hear other people talking in the background of every video done in this style.
Thank you for discussing J.S. Bach.
I would love to hear every part of the Brandenburg Concertos played solo.
I love the higher register of teh baroque trumpet!
😐
Why am I not seeing any Blackadder jokes?
Bellissimo
The royal Swedish mounted band uses them!
lol, bit off topic but it seems so weird to me hearing other people's voices in between the shots. While you're filming these great videos do people just chatter on in the background? or is a secretary office nearby? =D
The Baroque Trumpet is also twice the length of a Modern Trumpet
What is the ball like thing on the bell called, and what's it for?
Thanks for the question +57dogsbody
Answer from David: The "ball like thing" is merely an aid to holding the trumpet securely and doesn't actually have any musical function. This dates back to when Trumpeters would of occasionally played on horseback and they would grip the instrument around the ball to stabilise it.
It's called a boss. The English drilled a hole in it and put the first yard through it to firm it up. The Germans put a block of wood between the yards and wrapped cord around it. They are in imitation of the wooden trumpets where they would hold each side of the split and hollowed wood together with osier whips (rings of oak branches coiled to make a firm hoop.
Like just because of 1:56
You mean how both Ferrari drivers and trumpet players are pompous and annoying? I agree
@@seanpawn4549 Let me guess, you're a woodwind snowflake?
@@sheev15yearsago81 haha I love this kind of skirmishes between instrument «races»
@@sirecartier7881 Lol.
Gold Eagle h
Mr Blackadder! Mr Blackadder!
...I got a tunin' plan!
Is it cunning?
Not when ya playin' music, sir!
Most underrated comment of this video.
Nice.
Excuse me, can anyone explain what the holes are for?
These baroque trumpets are actually a modern invention to play historical music on without the intonation problems the ACTUAL instruments of the period had. They had NO way of controlling the pitch aside form the changing of the lips, so the natural overtone series they produced often “escaped” the exact pitches of the scale the other instruments were playing with. A number of inventions came along to solve this problem, such as the slide trumpet (which later evolved into the trombone), the keyed trumpet (which apparently fell out of favor because everyone thought it sounded goofy), and finally the valves trumpet of the early 19th century which we still use today.
Don't forget that the holes allow him to articulate much stronger, harder and louder without chipping the pitches (that is he can play it like he does a modern instrument). But most importantly, the holes make it so that the player doesn't have to practice as much on the instrument so as to achieve (and maintain) a usable technique and performance quality acceptable to modern audiences. Not that that is actually easy.
There were ways of adjusting the pitch of some of the overtone frequencies. But not many. On the famous picture of the trumpeter Gottfried Reiche he holds a rolled-up trumpet with holes.
Sorry, but there are no such holes depicted on the instrument in the Hausmann portrait of Gottfried Reiche.
Ekvitarius - I’d be very cautious about assuming that past players were less able than current players.
Additionally I would suggest that slide trumpets originated from the trombone (sackbut) family.
This would have been interesting if I hadn't just watched the ginormous contrabassoon vid, it makes you immune to being impressed by normal sized instruments.
It looks like the trombone and trumpet were fused together
good luck miles
I bet it’s a green screen on [4:13]. Notice the trumpet is cut off a little.
What about Vivaldi’s trumpet concertos?
I’d argue that one trumpet player declaring your arrival with a fanfare is still more of a status symbol than a garage full of Ferraris.
Create a modern baroque trumpet that (instead of holes) has valves
Lana Urban then it wouldn’t be a baroque trumpet
1:30 Somebody edit titanic badly played on flute or epic sax guy here please.
I have heard many times when I was in any class or band that relates to music is that the first trumpets look so much like a trombone. It kind of seems weird though! I like it! But I am wondering what trumpets looked like before the Baroque, like in the Bible periods. I know in Scripture it talks about trumpets, flutes, and cymbals. So it is kind of making me curious how instruments looked like back then.
they used horns my dude
I think they looked like modern day Ferrari motor vehicles
How does he vary the notes? Just by breathing harder or softer? I don't see any hand movement
By breathing harder and softer, adjusting the lips at the same time.
They need to use these trumpets in the Studio Ghibli Orchestral shows.
No way, this guy is in the BLACKADDER family tree?
How I love Bach
Fuck trumpet, this guy's last name is Blackadder? I am speechless.
i spent all my money on one of these, now im baroque
0:50 is what you want
A new Baroque trumpet. Does that mean we still live in a Baroque era? :D :D
humming sound in the studio...
Thank God for piston valves.
Trombone?
Was Haydn's Concert written for this trumpet?
Haydn's concerto was written for the keyed trumpet.
Brandenburg #2, if anybody doesn't know.
Who the heck was chatting away in the background? Doesn't she know you're recording??
His wife was reminding him to pick up some toilet paper on sale at the department store.
If I had one of those, I'd name it Obama. "Hey guys, look at my new Baroque, Obama"
I Baroque my trumpet when it fell, but it didn’t sound nearly as good as that.
That was an over sized irregular shapes pearl of a pun!
Thankovsky for the joke but I can't Handel it
You didn't mention that all folk tunes can be played on these (made of wood to heard livestock). Especially, the low range of the trumpet (5' long) was used to play well-known tunes in the round, such as "Row, Row, Row Your Boat", "Brother John", "The Farmer in the Dell" etc. Since triadic chords are created (and are perfectly in-tune as opposed to the 22 cents sharp Pythagorean-tuned fixed pitched instruments), they are the basis of harmony in our modern scale. No one knows this. You ought to play these tunes on short trumpets to demonstrate how old this is. All of these tunes in the round which survive in children's tunes clearly show the fanfare motif of rising triads.
A. Hirt that makes sense and that's also really neat
But the perfect 4th is a "Pythagorean" interval not a "natural" one as you laid out, so row row your boat wouldn't work on the natural trumpet.
I mean I guess you could play a sort of lydian row row row your boat with the sharp 4, George Russell would like that
On that note..
It’s called a Bork trumpet
I definitely prefer baroque trumpets over modern ones.
Like Trombone
When he plays it why it look like he trying to eat the mouthpiece
When was it invented (Specific year)
I think in the year 1599
a trumpet without valves, and having only one harmonic series... is that not a bugle? its just a bugle that hasn't been coiled as tightly. and don't tell me about conical vs cylindrical bore.... i still think its a bugle.
It’s quite shiny
Me: ............
No need to worry about stick valves anymore
Can anyone tell me how to find 5:35 in a piece?
AlexdoesSwag It's from the third movement (allegro assai) of Bach's brandenburg concerto no. 2 bwv 1047.
@@ReubenLL28 thank you!!
Dang why is he shoving the mouthpiece so hard into his face
because he is playing rediculously high in the register. That shit is tough to do
It has to be said for all of the authenticity and that, Bach would probably have murdered for a valve trumpet in his orchestra. I myself was a trombone player once, so we had an instrument way back in renaiscance times that could play all of the notes, and the ones inbetween which neither a baroque nor a modern trumpeter can do :)
The instruments Bach composed for are the perfect instruments for his actual music; your analysis leaves off the social and economic importance of the materials and the origin of the people producing the instruments. The newer instruments only have their place when you have learned all there is to learn about the previously created music of your people, and the technology of the new instruments is not doing any good if the male performers do not know how to make the new instruments, for every advancement in music technology adds a barrier between the listener and the music. But at least these musicians are working to solve the problem.
But can it play the lick?
Wait. Wait. ...Blackadder?
Nowadays it is the sound system you have.
sounds like sunday morning