@TheClardydawg apparently the fanbase and coaches turned their backs on Dj.... truth is Dj is a good person but is a shitty Qb.. Saturday he gets to face his replacement
@@jonezbonezWhat I'd say is hiring G5 coaches without prior coordinator experience on the P5 or NFL level is a mistake. Saban had been at 4 P5 programs and had a stint in the NFL before his first HC position. He had 2 NFL stints and 2 HC runs before he landed a top tier HC job at LSU. He had 27 years of coaching experience before landing at LSU. Compare that to Mike and his staff, who were fast-tracked to big time P5 jobs with very little experience.
@@jonezbonezYou said Saban, so I explained the huge difference. If you can't see that, I don't know what to tell you. Deflect all you want, the point remains. 🤷 Don't worry, the coach you love, Mike isn't going anywhere for another 3 or 4 seasons 😂
He’s a hypocrite. On cov3 he routinely criticizes Miami fans for not selling out the rock. Miami has been sub bar for almost every season in the last 20 years. Somehow it’s ok for him to decide it’s not a good use of time and isn’t going to go/watch, but the same doesn’t apply for canes fans. Who arent even alumni for the most part.
@@Iraqvet not at all. I’m not an alumni and I have season tickets to the canes. The point is Miami has a million things to do, and most of us are not alumni of the school, so we have even less obligation to spend our time and resources for a mid- bad team, like Miami has often been. It’s completely reasonable for Miami stadium not to sell out most games/seasons. Yet bud has been critical of that very reasonable, logical decision for a fan. One in which he’s stated he’s going to do the same exact thing because it’s “not worth his time”.
Mike’s loyalty to DJ is eerily reminiscent of Bobby’s blind insistence on sticking with Jeff Bowden as OC. In both cases it was an unpopular decision, things went south immediately and the coach could not bring himself to make a change. Bobby had the excuse of family, but he didn’t use it. Both decisions alienated the fan base and divided the players. Ultimately, it was the beginning of the end for Bowden and may be the same for Norvell. Bad decisions are part of human nature, it how quickly you recognize and correct it that keeps you in position to succeed.
Hey Bud, do you still rank Norvell ahead of Dabo on your coaching rankings? Dabo went 22-6 with DJ as the starter including winning an ACC Championship! DJ is going to finish his time at FSU under Norvell with the same number of wins as a starter in Tallahassee as he did at Clemson under Dabo.
Putting Norvell over Dabo is an extremely reactionary take. Norvell also is doing worse with a more experienced DJ as well. Dabo also wok multiple games with DJ and a roster so historically injured he had his 5’7 son starting in the slot. Only a reactionary casual would put Norvell in same conversation as a guy with two Nattys
@@GuappoZaccagnino Bud ranked Norvell ahead of Dabo in his coaches rankings and he was unapologetic about it. His Cover 3 podmates didn’t agree with him, but Bud said Norvell was a better on the field coach than Dabo and Norvell understood the new age of CFB better than Dabo.
I hope he didn't really say this, if so yikes. I dispise Dabo, but having only 1 season where everything falls into place does not make Mike a better HC than the guy who has consistently won 9/10 games and two nattys.
You're 100% correct. Memphis fan here and Norvell definitely didn't rely on QBs. Neither of the starting quarterbacks from his tenure got anything more than a training camp invite from the NFL, much less an undrafted free agent contract. Said QBs were surrounded by NFL talent, especially running backs. Norvell sent 4 different RBs to the league and a couple WRs.
People need to realize the new Opt-Opt-Transfer bowl era are actually previews of your squad next year. FSU, Florida, Clemson like ALL pretty much look like they did in those bowl games.
This is ridiculous. Norvell is stubborn & has damaged his career. Who wants to come play for this? Ingram shouldnt give him another dollar. High School recruits & Proven Experienced Players. Get rid of these non recruiting bums. Atkins OL is terrible
Mike Norvell can not recruit or evaluate QBs. He’s only succeeded with Willie taggart recruit at QB Jordan Travis. He can not win without Jordan Travis cause Jordan Travis was better than the coaching and the transfer portal talent hit. No QBs have came in under his regime from transfer portal to recruits and now 5 years in he doesn’t have a team that have basic needs for a decent football and another failed QB he chose and obviously no better options behind him at QB. Bad coach
Cmon man…a few bad takes. They have had an easy schedule. They just suck. And I’m not calling a win in any game other that Charleston Southern. I love the Noles but UF will beat us
@@canes4ever162 cal beat auburn bc outplayed mizzou. Sec weak this year outside of 2-3 teams i guess sc kentucky and vandy are world beaters the way they play uga ole miss and other “good sec” teams 🤡😂🤦🏼♂️
Dabo is going to run up the score on us. I’m talking about time outs, onside kick even if they are up 50. I just think you run DJ out for Clemson let that be his last college game before he goes sells insurance and then let’s see what we got for 2025. This offseason Mike is going to have to grow a pair and finally make the hard decisions he should have made 2 years ago.
Negatory. Dabo is more interested in giving his second and third string guys experience. So, if the Tigers are ahead by 30-35 in the third quarter, look for CDS to start emptying the bench. Then again, no guarantee it will be a blowout.
@@domenicdurante966 did you watch the NCST game? Dabo called time outs to get the ball back to score up 30 going into half. And he doesn’t like norvell so I’m telling you he will run it up on fsu.
I don't see a blowout. I'm hoping for one, but don't see it. FSU will play their guts out in this game. This and Florida are the only 2 games that matter on their schedule. GO TIGERS
Remember when we thought Willie was bad, but at least he had passion and got Jordan Travis into the program. It's time for open tryouts if FSU cannot have talent it should at least have heart and players that care.
I hear you say FSU not being insanely bad but bad for FSU, IDK... Probably because I'm invested, our offense looks like the worst I've seen in ages, given that most the offenses I see are FSU opponents or teams in big name games. The BC game looked about as bad as I've seen any offense look. Maybe a bad team down to 3rd or 4th string QB, but the everyone else played like they were cursed too. I couldn't see a team like the one who played BC winning again, period. They couldn't score against shadows most that night. Seems like the worst FSU Offense since Bobby B's run of success. Is that possible? I don't get the falling of a cliff like it's transpired. Even Willy's O with a worse broken line seemed to have more juice, a threat of busting out with Akers or Scary Terry.
What about his track record makes you think Norvell could consistently get a team to the playoffs? He will/have 3 losing seasons out of 5. And not just losing seasons, I'm talking 3/4 win seasons.
They lost 10 guys to the draft and Mike hasn’t recruited well at key positions i.e. OL, WR, LB, QB over the last few years. Expectations got inflated bc the 13-0 season. They made poor selections in the portal and this is what you have. A bad football team. This is a complete reset folks. Buckle up
11:36 “Not blown out for most the game” brother stop lying. Boston College dominated FSU from start to finish. That very well would’ve been 35-13 instead of 28-13 if we didn’t decide kneel inside your 10 yard line 😂😂😂🤡
Last year players opted out of a "meaningless" bowl game so what's going to prevent them this year from opting out of a "meaningless" season? The standard has been set.😞
Don't blame Battles End, blame the coaches and Mike whose job it is to evaluate and develop the players. This has been a problem since year 1, not just this season.
Mike Norvell and his staff looks bewildered. They are not good recruiters. I can't watch my team under this regime. This is not Florida State Football....We have the wrong person at the helm, why can't everyone see that?
MN era is over... Its not a question of if he leaves, its of when and how he leaves. If he wants to coach again at this level, then he resigns like Urban did, take a year off and restart his career as a OC at a midlle of the road school. He is still one year away from an ACC championship. After his success there, he could parlay that into another coaching opportunity. He could choose to stay another two or three years for the payout and his pride while trying to prove a point. If he flames out out, which he will, due to this year's record that will affect the next two recruitng classes in addition to the transfers leaving this year. The 2025 and 2026 records will be putrid because we wont have talent to compete as MN cant recruit. He had the stench of a loser, whether its deserved or not, its there. Who wants to play for a loser? He needs to do some introspection with himself and then his family and his agent to see if staying is worth it. This is his "Casino" choice, he can get the money and the hammer OR walk away and live to coach another day. This is his fault. FBA/B1
@@griffith9235he won’t be ok. He’s bad at QB evaluation. No Qb he has recruited or brought in from transfer has worked out. He only made Willie taggart recruit QB work and save him. He’s not a good recruiter or QB evaluator
Watching you come on here with misery in voice is music to my ears. All that big talk you spoke in the off-season has disappeared like a fart in the wind. Norvell is a used cars salesman. I'm just glad yall gave him the extension. With all the money yall have to pay him, the staff, the stadium renovations and the lawsuit and barely any coming in with that product on the field I don't see yall coming back from this for a while......
fsu will be bad for a decade because of this season that's the truth. Mike and none of his coaches can recruit and never could. so take away the portal what do you have? the downfall was cemented the day they decided to not play in the bowl game.
I pretty much agree, the only thing is how do you force guys to play a bowl game these days? Mike sold them on the idea of trusting his process and they did. It worked exactly as he advertised and it worked but then the final result contradicted his message. That removed any motivation for the players to finish that process.
Sold my season tickets after Georgia tech and actually made a profit, so I’m not worried about it. Even if I wouldn’t have I wouldn’t go watch this product.
How can you sit there after watching 5 games against avg at best competition and say this team isn't terrible or that bad? I mean they are absolutely trash and got lucky cal didn't beat them, if cal had a avg QB they win and this team is 0-5 against 1 of the easiest p4 schedules so far in country. Probably the easiest
Here's my 10 thoughts. Terrible, Awful, Bad, Very bad,Atrocious, Pathetic, Poorly coached, Overrated from the get-go, Terrible QB, and awful offensive line. I could think of some more, but there's no need to😂
If they aren't performing in the game cut their snaps simple as that. Sometimes you have to give a back up some PT to see how they will respond especially when you're in a dumpster fire currently
The OL is back to where we were when Norvell took over. Huge problem. I don't agree that they aren't getting physically whipped. Washington has been a huge disappointment, looks unable to move.
Love the shows. Thank you for keeping on. I am wondering if the snub broke CMN. He always preaches to do the right thing and the result will come. The committee basically made a liar our of him. I'm afraid he doesn't know how to come back from that.
the problem is simple the remaining starters from last yrs team are toxic, btwn the snub and the opt outs for the bowl wrecked the program. after beat dwn in the bowl game them dudes checked out before season even started for 2024
Here's the problem. He told these kids for years, "do the work, believe the process, finish the climb, and success will come." Our team did that and then the committee made Norvell look like a liar. So how dies he sell that same message to the same kids? He can't. This team isn't going to buy it. It is going to take time to get that negativity out of the system. It's also going to take time for Norvell to getting back to believing it himself. Think if you have kids and their dream is to get on the Principal's List. Now think if you told them to study hard, do your home work and get Straight A's, you'll be on the Principal's List. They do that. They put their time and effort into it and then it gets decided that for no fault of their own, they don't get to be on the list. You're baffled, they are baffled and now you need to find a new motivation that you BOTH believe in. Coaching is more than X's and O's.
I agree with Bud. I can't watch this garbage either, but it doesn't take away the great work Ingram and TBE is doing so I'll continue to support their efforts to improve the football program.
Most of the country is happy that fsu is losing after it handled the ACC situation whether you agree or not . Not saying they were right or wrong . Just most ppl are happy to see fsu fail
I COULD HAVE COACHED THAT TEAM LAST YEAR TO 13-0 PLAYING EASIEST SCHEDULE IN POWER 5 WITH ALL STARTERS COMING BACK AND 5TH YEAR SENIOR QB TRAVIS. LUCKY TO NOT LOSE 3 GAMES LAST YEAR. FSU WILL WIN 2 MAYBE 3 GAMES THIS YEAR AND NEXT YEAR FULL STOP.
@@Cameron_0011 how will they be much better? If they suck now next year they may suck a little less but you're not to have the same team... unless they bring in 20 or so transfers again....but that kills recruiting.
There are "2nd-tier" D1 teams that seem to be doing great lately with multiple examples. Meanwhile, there are "top-tier" D1 teams doing unusually bad. Could it be the transfer portal has expanded the parity? For example, MN almost beat Michigan yesterday. Kentucky actually beat Ole Miss. Here in AZ, U of A is actually doing good - much better than FSU. It seems like the portal has changed the dynamics. If you read "The Boz" from the 1980s by Brian Bosworth, the elite teams had a monopoly on recruits to the point where even a 3rd string quarterback who could start someplace else would stay at that elite school just for the sake of being on that team. Those days are gone. Now, an elite 3rd string quarterback who could start someplace else will just transfer. This also ruins the chances of coaches to develop players. I am an FSU Alumnus but mainly follow the soccer team. They are doing great. I think FSU football can resurge in the next five years. Keep in mind that there are formally dominant teams from the 80s and 90s that have not had anywhere near the success FSU has had in the past 10 years. I went to Notre Dame as an undergraduate, and they haven't won a D1 championship since I was a sophomore. And that one was tainted by steroid abuse (common in the 80s among elite teams - see Boz's book). So, their true era of dominance was the 1970s. Nebraska hasn't had a championship since their dominance of the mid 1990s. Miami is finally making a comeback it seems since they had last been dominant 20+ years ago. FSU is down but relatively much more successful compared to other teams going back 40 years.
10 thoughts: 1: down bad 2: horrible offensive line 3: below average QB 4: Defense on a milk carton 5: zero elite skill players 6: LOST to GA Tech, LOST to Boston College, LOST to Memphis, BLOWN OUT by SMU 7: This is going to be Norvell's THIRD losing season in 5 years 8: Struck out with the transfer portal 9: NO CULTURE; ZERO LEADERSHIP 10: FSU is hot garbage
The team has quit. We set the tone last year letting them quit before the Georgia game, IMO. Everyone is just blown away at how bad this team is. Like, analysts are not even speaking about FSU. Vegas has given up picking their games. NOBODY wants to watch that football obotomy in real time.
Look, MN has a tough decision to make: if he stays and gets the payout, he will flame out and prove to all the other ADs that he can't coach or recruit at this level. At 42, does he really want to sacrifice his whole future coaching career and everything that comes with it for that 43 million? Or...he can resign, get a moderate payout while salvaging some of his coaching reputation for future coaching opportunities after he takes a year off to learn how to coach again while learning how to become a better recruiter. Then he can get an OC job at a middle teir university, do well there and then parlay that into a decent FBS coaching job. Who knows how high he goes from there? This is a take a step back to go two steps forward strategy. He has to really think about his future. I would resign, take a moderate payout, and then take a year off. I'm not ruining my entire coaching future for one job trying to prove a point over pride. FBA/B1
I think Norvell needs to move to the NFL...He doesn't have to manage coaches there like he would in college...doesn't have to be a recruiter...I think he is a players coach but the NCAA deal is not his bag. He would have to have come C to F grades when it comes to evaluating Coaches...Players...Recruiting...etc. Also going to be real interesting to see how FSU Admin manages this black hole of money they are spending. There is a lot of open tabs out there in regards to stadium...recent payroll increases...I bet the balance sheet is looking scary.
I respect that everyone has an opinion, but Bud talks out of both sides of his mouth. I think he is "conveniently" blaming the wrong person (DJ)... I wonder why..???
Norvell is garbage and fsu will struggle every game until he leaves. Sad but true. You think Alabama is happy they didn’t get Norvell? 😂 fsu got him and look at the product on and off the field 🗑️
Mike got us😂 that clown. Jordan Travis was one of willie taggarts guys let's not forget. Boat raced by SMU, losing to G5 Memphis at home(Mike Norvells last program) by Norvells old assistant coach, smacked down at home by Boston College and has yet to put up 24 plus points. Yall are literally the worst Power 4 program in the nation. Clemson is going to hang 70 on yall...but yea Mike's got yall straight to the trash can/bottom/in the dirt. Yall arengoing to lose to Charleston southern😂😂😂 straight clown
I get pissed at my team the Gators but I'm damn sure going to watch the game until we start losing that game. I can't believe you ignored your team's game, bro. You just beat California. At least watch the first quarter. Who wants to play for fans who'd rather watch another game?
I think the biggest problem FSU has is they suck ass.
On a side note your transition to ad spots are the stuff that would make me visit Madso and such lol…definitely top shelf pro level plugs!
I watched uga vs. Alabama, and it seems they play a different sport contrary to when i watch fsu play.
Please Start DJ one more game, him and his dad had alot to say about Clemson on their way out the door
I know his dad is active on Twitter, but I hadn't heard about DJ saying anything, what did he say
@TheClardydawg apparently the fanbase and coaches turned their backs on Dj.... truth is Dj is a good person but is a shitty Qb.. Saturday he gets to face his replacement
@@TheClardydawgHe complained about not wanting to be a running QB. After he told the media for 2ys how he loved the QB run game.
Every 3rd and long good enough for ya?
I think this is what we get for hiring an AAC coach and paying him what an SEC coach makes
Do you think SEC coaches just spawn? They have to start somewhere. Nick saban was a MAC head coach one day.
@@jonezbonezWhat I'd say is hiring G5 coaches without prior coordinator experience on the P5 or NFL level is a mistake. Saban had been at 4 P5 programs and had a stint in the NFL before his first HC position. He had 2 NFL stints and 2 HC runs before he landed a top tier HC job at LSU. He had 27 years of coaching experience before landing at LSU. Compare that to Mike and his staff, who were fast-tracked to big time P5 jobs with very little experience.
@@na_khorrible take. Was the Arizona St oc
@@na_k Thanks for the biography of nick saban 😴
@@jonezbonezYou said Saban, so I explained the huge difference. If you can't see that, I don't know what to tell you. Deflect all you want, the point remains. 🤷
Don't worry, the coach you love, Mike isn't going anywhere for another 3 or 4 seasons 😂
Even TCU didn't collapse this badly after losing to Georgia 65-7 in the National Championship.
True. I don't think last year's disaster has anything to do with this season
Bud ,As A Canesfan respect your Pain. You can Tell you love your Team.Respect that.
He’s a hypocrite. On cov3 he routinely criticizes Miami fans for not selling out the rock. Miami has been sub bar for almost every season in the last 20 years. Somehow it’s ok for him to decide it’s not a good use of time and isn’t going to go/watch, but the same doesn’t apply for canes fans. Who arent even alumni for the most part.
@@tlobrill1are you saying you have to be a alumni to be a fan of a team
@@Iraqvet not at all. I’m not an alumni and I have season tickets to the canes. The point is Miami has a million things to do, and most of us are not alumni of the school, so we have even less obligation to spend our time and resources for a mid- bad team, like Miami has often been. It’s completely reasonable for Miami stadium not to sell out most games/seasons. Yet bud has been critical of that very reasonable, logical decision for a fan. One in which he’s stated he’s going to do the same exact thing because it’s “not worth his time”.
@@tlobrill1this this 😅😅😅 like wtf cry me a river 🙌🙌🙌
@@tlobrill1well yea, all of FSU’s media are trolls
We need an Elite Coach in order to get Elite Players...
Idk: 1-4 *is* "insanely bad" if ya ask me. Especially when you lose to Boston College at home AND Memphis at home with 2 weeks to prepare.
Norvell is a genius. he tricked FSU into a big extension 💰💰💰. If only FSU waited 6 months.
Yeah I would have called his bluff.
He's kind of a genius in areas you don't need him to be in that case. Like a crappy chef who's a great mechanic.
Played FSU like the suckers they are. They're known to sign bad deals (Mike contract extension, ACC/GOR, etc.)
@@douglastuten5340 exactly
The offensive line is pathetic 5 yrs in. Where are all of the recruiting wins for Atkins? Where is the development?
Either he has failed to teach them or they are all all weak and soft.
"FSU has one of the best defensive lines in the nation"
He’s silly
Mike’s loyalty to DJ is eerily reminiscent of Bobby’s blind insistence on sticking with Jeff Bowden as OC. In both cases it was an unpopular decision, things went south immediately and the coach could not bring himself to make a change. Bobby had the excuse of family, but he didn’t use it. Both decisions alienated the fan base and divided the players. Ultimately, it was the beginning of the end for Bowden and may be the same for Norvell. Bad decisions are part of human nature, it how quickly you recognize and correct it that keeps you in position to succeed.
Luke should be playing now Nebraska is playing a freshman quarterback.🤷♂️@@brandont2414
Hey Bud, do you still rank Norvell ahead of Dabo on your coaching rankings? Dabo went 22-6 with DJ as the starter including winning an ACC Championship! DJ is going to finish his time at FSU under Norvell with the same number of wins as a starter in Tallahassee as he did at Clemson under Dabo.
Putting Norvell over Dabo is an extremely reactionary take. Norvell also is doing worse with a more experienced DJ as well. Dabo also wok multiple games with DJ and a roster so historically injured he had his 5’7 son starting in the slot.
Only a reactionary casual would put Norvell in same conversation as a guy with two Nattys
@@GuappoZaccagnino Bud ranked Norvell ahead of Dabo in his coaches rankings and he was unapologetic about it. His Cover 3 podmates didn’t agree with him, but Bud said Norvell was a better on the field coach than Dabo and Norvell understood the new age of CFB better than Dabo.
I hope he didn't really say this, if so yikes. I dispise Dabo, but having only 1 season where everything falls into place does not make Mike a better HC than the guy who has consistently won 9/10 games and two nattys.
@@na_k Yup, he said it. Listen to the Coaches Ranking Cover 3 Podcast.
It was the players that we had. Players that were leaders, vocal and produced on the field...
You're 100% correct. Memphis fan here and Norvell definitely didn't rely on QBs. Neither of the starting quarterbacks from his tenure got anything more than a training camp invite from the NFL, much less an undrafted free agent contract. Said QBs were surrounded by NFL talent, especially running backs. Norvell sent 4 different RBs to the league and a couple WRs.
People need to realize the new Opt-Opt-Transfer bowl era are actually previews of your squad next year. FSU, Florida, Clemson like ALL pretty much look like they did in those bowl games.
This is ridiculous. Norvell is stubborn & has damaged his career. Who wants to come play for this? Ingram shouldnt give him another dollar. High School recruits & Proven Experienced Players. Get rid of these non recruiting bums. Atkins OL is terrible
Smith doesn't control shit😂
Bud is right. He has said recruiting has sucked for years. Play the young guys. This season makes me miss Jimbo
Time for a diaper change, pal.
Jimbo could recruit and develop
Thank goodness Georgia vs Alabama was on same time what a ballgame
Mike Norvell can not recruit or evaluate QBs. He’s only succeeded with Willie taggart recruit at QB Jordan Travis. He can not win without Jordan Travis cause Jordan Travis was better than the coaching and the transfer portal talent hit. No QBs have came in under his regime from transfer portal to recruits and now 5 years in he doesn’t have a team that have basic needs for a decent football and another failed QB he chose and obviously no better options behind him at QB. Bad coach
Travis was a transfer from Louisville he was not a recruit. Taggart was going to make him switch positions.
Norvel has recruited 3 four star and one five star and another committed.
Cmon man…a few bad takes. They have had an easy schedule. They just suck. And I’m not calling a win in any game other that Charleston Southern. I love the Noles but UF will beat us
No every team fsu has played is top 50/60 no other schools has played a schedule that hard…not one
@@SurferRCthis is perfection.. complaining about GT, BC, Memphis, Cal and SMU… but yall want an SEC schedule
@@canes4ever162 cal beat auburn bc outplayed mizzou. Sec weak this year outside of 2-3 teams i guess sc kentucky and vandy are world beaters the way they play uga ole miss and other “good sec” teams 🤡😂🤦🏼♂️
@@canes4ever162 lmao SEC ain't shit chief. You got three teams instead of two. Big whoop. No different then any other conference.
The SEC IS BUILT DIFFERENT YESSIR
FIRE NORVELL NOW!!!
I hate to say this, but this is what we will get with Mike Norvell and his staff.
Dabo is going to run up the score on us. I’m talking about time outs, onside kick even if they are up 50. I just think you run DJ out for Clemson let that be his last college game before he goes sells insurance and then let’s see what we got for 2025. This offseason Mike is going to have to grow a pair and finally make the hard decisions he should have made 2 years ago.
Negatory. Dabo is more interested in giving his second and third string guys experience. So, if the Tigers are ahead by 30-35 in the third quarter, look for CDS to start emptying the bench. Then again, no guarantee it will be a blowout.
@@domenicdurante966 it definitely will be a blow out 😂
@@domenicdurante966 did you watch the NCST game? Dabo called time outs to get the ball back to score up 30 going into half. And he doesn’t like norvell so I’m telling you he will run it up on fsu.
@@travisheath6554That’s the 1st half! Of course he’s not going to call things off against an ACC rival before halftime.
I don't see a blowout. I'm hoping for one, but don't see it. FSU will play their guts out in this game. This and Florida are the only 2 games that matter on their schedule. GO TIGERS
Remember when we thought Willie was bad, but at least he had passion and got Jordan Travis into the program. It's time for open tryouts if FSU cannot have talent it should at least have heart and players that care.
They had that last year! Taggart couldnt even get players lined up correctly…🤡🤦🏼♂️😂 yall are stupid and dont remember what Norvell had to fix!
What games lol? Fl scored a ton of points against mis st and mis st would destroy us Idk right now if we win another game
I hear you say FSU not being insanely bad but bad for FSU, IDK... Probably because I'm invested, our offense looks like the worst I've seen in ages, given that most the offenses I see are FSU opponents or teams in big name games. The BC game looked about as bad as I've seen any offense look. Maybe a bad team down to 3rd or 4th string QB, but the everyone else played like they were cursed too. I couldn't see a team like the one who played BC winning again, period. They couldn't score against shadows most that night. Seems like the worst FSU Offense since Bobby B's run of success. Is that possible? I don't get the falling of a cliff like it's transpired. Even Willy's O with a worse broken line seemed to have more juice, a threat of busting out with Akers or Scary Terry.
Its wild the same coaching staff can create the best second half team in the country, then a year later, this!
I respect Bud for being real
What about his track record makes you think Norvell could consistently get a team to the playoffs? He will/have 3 losing seasons out of 5. And not just losing seasons, I'm talking 3/4 win seasons.
What did Shyheim brown do? I must have missed it
he got a DUI in the summer, and hid it from MN until a few weeks ago
@@goatiestgoat12 ohhhh damn
DJ is hurt and confused. That domino is quite impactful.
And slow and not football smart and inconsistent
@@davidkreitzer4401 and that was before the first game was played.😁
They lost 10 guys to the draft and Mike hasn’t recruited well at key positions i.e. OL, WR, LB, QB over the last few years. Expectations got inflated bc the 13-0 season. They made poor selections in the portal and this is what you have. A bad football team. This is a complete reset folks. Buckle up
Bud did you say “kinda winnable” vs Charleston Southern? We are back in the depths of hell?!!?!
Can you imagine if Cal beat FSU?
@Noah-ww5kx Cal should have beat FSU, let's be real. We're a zero win team without luck being on our side.
We have had plenty of unlucky breaks ourselves. Not saying we should be 5-0 or even 2-3 but the cal game was by no means a total fluke.
Cal should be ashamed of themselves loosing
@@harperlee4058FSU was the worse team in every game except Cal
11:36 “Not blown out for most the game” brother stop lying. Boston College dominated FSU from start to finish. That very well would’ve been 35-13 instead of 28-13 if we didn’t decide kneel inside your 10 yard line 😂😂😂🤡
he cant stop himself. Blows so much smoke.
Bama and UGA was an instant classic, no shame in tuning out..
It looks like most of the assistants have opted out. These losses are about effort not talent.
Been an easy schedule and they have bombed it. They have both qb and coaching issues. They have a good players all over the field
I won't be watching FSU games as long as DJU is QB. Like you said, the product is awful.
Great show Bud. Very logical on a lot of things especially the trend of transfers
Last year players opted out of a "meaningless" bowl game so what's going to prevent them this year from opting out of a "meaningless" season? The standard has been set.😞
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I think they have opted out already.
How did the Battles End evaluate the players that they pay? It seems it was a very, very bad evaluation.
Don't blame Battles End, blame the coaches and Mike whose job it is to evaluate and develop the players. This has been a problem since year 1, not just this season.
Mike Norvell and his staff looks bewildered. They are not good recruiters. I can't watch my team under this regime. This is not Florida State Football....We have the wrong person at the helm, why can't everyone see that?
I'm not surprised, because I never thought Norvell was a great coach, maybe an assistant coach, but that's it.
MN era is over...
Its not a question of if he leaves, its of when and how he leaves.
If he wants to coach again at this level, then he resigns like Urban did, take a year off and restart his career as a OC at a midlle of the road school. He is still one year away from an ACC championship. After his success there, he could parlay that into another coaching opportunity.
He could choose to stay another two or three years for the payout and his pride while trying to prove a point. If he flames out out, which he will, due to this year's record that will affect the next two recruitng classes in addition to the transfers leaving this year. The 2025 and 2026 records will be putrid because we wont have talent to compete as MN cant recruit. He had the stench of a loser, whether its deserved or not, its there. Who wants to play for a loser?
He needs to do some introspection with himself and then his family and his agent to see if staying is worth it.
This is his "Casino" choice, he can get the money and the hammer OR walk away and live to coach another day.
This is his fault.
FBA/B1
He’ll be okay, he has to stop relying so heavily upon the transfer portal. Also evaluations need to be better because Dj was never a good option.
@@griffith9235he won’t be ok. He’s bad at QB evaluation. No Qb he has recruited or brought in from transfer has worked out. He only made Willie taggart recruit QB work and save him. He’s not a good recruiter or QB evaluator
Watching you come on here with misery in voice is music to my ears. All that big talk you spoke in the off-season has disappeared like a fart in the wind. Norvell is a used cars salesman. I'm just glad yall gave him the extension. With all the money yall have to pay him, the staff, the stadium renovations and the lawsuit and barely any coming in with that product on the field I don't see yall coming back from this for a while......
FSU 2023 without Travis was NOT winning a Natty. C'mon, be serious.
I agree, it’s just better games to watch, why waste my time with a horrible product. I stopped watching them live this season.
5 years in.... no depth and development. Where the leadership on this team? Where the players holding others accountable?
fsu will be bad for a decade because of this season that's the truth. Mike and none of his coaches can recruit and never could. so take away the portal what do you have? the downfall was cemented the day they decided to not play in the bowl game.
@@wellitsherenow maybe not a decade but for the next 5 years is reasonable.
I pretty much agree, the only thing is how do you force guys to play a bowl game these days? Mike sold them on the idea of trusting his process and they did. It worked exactly as he advertised and it worked but then the final result contradicted his message. That removed any motivation for the players to finish that process.
Sold my season tickets after Georgia tech and actually made a profit, so I’m not worried about it. Even if I wouldn’t have I wouldn’t go watch this product.
It's simple that man can't coach and should be fired in the last game of the season in the last quarter 😡
How can you sit there after watching 5 games against avg at best competition and say this team isn't terrible or that bad? I mean they are absolutely trash and got lucky cal didn't beat them, if cal had a avg QB they win and this team is 0-5 against 1 of the easiest p4 schedules so far in country. Probably the easiest
Bud is time to replace both coordinators?
It was time to replace Fuller 2 years ago. And time to replace/turn the play calling over to a real OC.
Norvell is too stubborn to do that.
And fire randy Shannon and Odell and Adkins
Can we just play Byers at guard and Early at right tackle
Here's my 10 thoughts. Terrible, Awful, Bad, Very bad,Atrocious, Pathetic, Poorly coached, Overrated from the get-go, Terrible QB, and awful offensive line. I could think of some more, but there's no need to😂
If they aren't performing in the game cut their snaps simple as that. Sometimes you have to give a back up some PT to see how they will respond especially when you're in a dumpster fire currently
The OL is back to where we were when Norvell took over. Huge problem. I don't agree that they aren't getting physically whipped. Washington has been a huge disappointment, looks unable to move.
Love the shows. Thank you for keeping on. I am wondering if the snub broke CMN. He always preaches to do the right thing and the result will come. The committee basically made a liar our of him. I'm afraid he doesn't know how to come back from that.
the problem is simple the remaining starters from last yrs team are toxic, btwn the snub and the opt outs for the bowl wrecked the program. after beat dwn in the bowl game them dudes checked out before season even started for 2024
I can't watch the Clemson game. I will not subject my mind to that. It will be embarrassing....
Hopefully Norvell goes to Ole Miss when Kiffin goes to Florida.
Here's the problem. He told these kids for years, "do the work, believe the process, finish the climb, and success will come." Our team did that and then the committee made Norvell look like a liar. So how dies he sell that same message to the same kids? He can't. This team isn't going to buy it. It is going to take time to get that negativity out of the system. It's also going to take time for Norvell to getting back to believing it himself.
Think if you have kids and their dream is to get on the Principal's List. Now think if you told them to study hard, do your home work and get Straight A's, you'll be on the Principal's List. They do that. They put their time and effort into it and then it gets decided that for no fault of their own, they don't get to be on the list. You're baffled, they are baffled and now you need to find a new motivation that you BOTH believe in.
Coaching is more than X's and O's.
I agree with Bud. I can't watch this garbage either, but it doesn't take away the great work Ingram and TBE is doing so I'll continue to support their efforts to improve the football program.
Crazy how many non fsu fans tune into this podcast and feel the need to comment
I wish NC State played Florida State this year so we could find out who was worse
I think NCSU would win
I'll save you some time...FSU is far worse!
Cup cake schedule so far. Wait till Saturday.
Primetime Primetime and that’s all I’m going to say 5 years and not a top 10 class at FSU and not after last year success Norvell can’t recruit
Most of the country is happy that fsu is losing after it handled the ACC situation whether you agree or not . Not saying they were right or wrong . Just most ppl are happy to see fsu fail
I COULD HAVE COACHED THAT TEAM LAST YEAR TO 13-0 PLAYING EASIEST SCHEDULE IN POWER 5 WITH ALL STARTERS COMING BACK AND 5TH YEAR SENIOR QB TRAVIS. LUCKY TO NOT LOSE 3 GAMES LAST YEAR. FSU WILL WIN 2 MAYBE 3 GAMES THIS YEAR AND NEXT YEAR FULL STOP.
🤡🤡
Is it crazy to say the 25 team won’t be much better
Thats why they need reps now! Not in november…
@@Cameron_0011 how will they be much better? If they suck now next year they may suck a little less but you're not to have the same team... unless they bring in 20 or so transfers again....but that kills recruiting.
There are "2nd-tier" D1 teams that seem to be doing great lately with multiple examples. Meanwhile, there are "top-tier" D1 teams doing unusually bad. Could it be the transfer portal has expanded the parity? For example, MN almost beat Michigan yesterday. Kentucky actually beat Ole Miss. Here in AZ, U of A is actually doing good - much better than FSU. It seems like the portal has changed the dynamics.
If you read "The Boz" from the 1980s by Brian Bosworth, the elite teams had a monopoly on recruits to the point where even a 3rd string quarterback who could start someplace else would stay at that elite school just for the sake of being on that team. Those days are gone. Now, an elite 3rd string quarterback who could start someplace else will just transfer. This also ruins the chances of coaches to develop players.
I am an FSU Alumnus but mainly follow the soccer team. They are doing great. I think FSU football can resurge in the next five years. Keep in mind that there are formally dominant teams from the 80s and 90s that have not had anywhere near the success FSU has had in the past 10 years. I went to Notre Dame as an undergraduate, and they haven't won a D1 championship since I was a sophomore. And that one was tainted by steroid abuse (common in the 80s among elite teams - see Boz's book). So, their true era of dominance was the 1970s. Nebraska hasn't had a championship since their dominance of the mid 1990s. Miami is finally making a comeback it seems since they had last been dominant 20+ years ago. FSU is down but relatively much more successful compared to other teams going back 40 years.
10 thoughts:
1: down bad
2: horrible offensive line
3: below average QB
4: Defense on a milk carton
5: zero elite skill players
6: LOST to GA Tech, LOST to Boston College, LOST to Memphis, BLOWN OUT by SMU
7: This is going to be Norvell's THIRD losing season in 5 years
8: Struck out with the transfer portal
9: NO CULTURE; ZERO LEADERSHIP
10: FSU is hot garbage
Very depressing....😔
Bud has the snub affected the way Novell is able to coach to get the buy in from the players?
Worst university stop cappn
FSU down bad
I notice Mo Smith don’t make calls on the line anymore why is that?
3:25 is why I couldn't bring myself to do it
The team has quit. We set the tone last year letting them quit before the Georgia game, IMO. Everyone is just blown away at how bad this team is. Like, analysts are not even speaking about FSU. Vegas has given up picking their games. NOBODY wants to watch that football obotomy in real time.
Do not support this program anymore this season. Send a message to Norvell and AD Alford
NORVELL EXPOSED. HE IS A G5 COACH FULL STOP. HE GOT PAID SO IS GOOD. THERE WERE $52 MILLION DOLLARS PAID THIS YEAR ON THE FIELD LAST NIGHT. PATHETIC
But he got the 💰💰💰 from FSU. Bama was never going to hire him 😂😂
Look, MN has a tough decision to make: if he stays and gets the payout, he will flame out and prove to all the other ADs that he can't coach or recruit at this level. At 42, does he really want to sacrifice his whole future coaching career and everything that comes with it for that 43 million?
Or...he can resign, get a moderate payout while salvaging some of his coaching reputation for future coaching opportunities after he takes a year off to learn how to coach again while learning how to become a better recruiter. Then he can get an OC job at a middle teir university, do well there and then parlay that into a decent FBS coaching job. Who knows how high he goes from there? This is a take a step back to go two steps forward strategy.
He has to really think about his future. I would resign, take a moderate payout, and then take a year off. I'm not ruining my entire coaching future for one job trying to prove a point over pride.
FBA/B1
I think Norvell needs to move to the NFL...He doesn't have to manage coaches there like he would in college...doesn't have to be a recruiter...I think he is a players coach but the NCAA deal is not his bag. He would have to have come C to F grades when it comes to evaluating Coaches...Players...Recruiting...etc. Also going to be real interesting to see how FSU Admin manages this black hole of money they are spending. There is a lot of open tabs out there in regards to stadium...recent payroll increases...I bet the balance sheet is looking scary.
Hire Jimbo to recruit
why are we still talking about these losers? Lets stop talking until they let the future start playing!
I respect that everyone has an opinion, but Bud talks out of both sides of his mouth. I think he is "conveniently" blaming the wrong person (DJ)... I wonder why..???
DJ is the least of the problems
Depressing
That guy at colorado has FSU ties, i think 🤔
Norvell is garbage and fsu will struggle every game until he leaves. Sad but true. You think Alabama is happy they didn’t get Norvell? 😂 fsu got him and look at the product on and off the field 🗑️
GO NOLES #MIKEGOTUS 🍢🍢
@@mikemyrick1458 got us at the bottom
Yeah by the nuts lol
Mike got us😂 that clown. Jordan Travis was one of willie taggarts guys let's not forget. Boat raced by SMU, losing to G5 Memphis at home(Mike Norvells last program) by Norvells old assistant coach, smacked down at home by Boston College and has yet to put up 24 plus points. Yall are literally the worst Power 4 program in the nation. Clemson is going to hang 70 on yall...but yea Mike's got yall straight to the trash can/bottom/in the dirt. Yall arengoing to lose to Charleston southern😂😂😂 straight clown
@@Iraqvet 🍢💯
if you are not here when we go 1-10 don’t be here when we win the natty!
This team has quit!
Problems #1 thru #10... They Suck
All the pressure on clemson lol
I get pissed at my team the Gators but I'm damn sure going to watch the game until we start losing that game. I can't believe you ignored your team's game, bro. You just beat California. At least watch the first quarter. Who wants to play for fans who'd rather watch another game?
THE PORTAL KING
LMAO
I watched it good God it took norvell to pull QB DJU 3int and pix6 to Finley bench him how high is coaches roof on awful 😞
What?? Punctuation is your friend.