Why does hair loss get worse as we get older even though testosterone and DHT levels drop?
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Are you a professional in public speaking? It's actually insane how well you can articulate yourself in your videos without skipping a beat or editing. It's insane communication ability you have. And this is coming from someone who worked in the marketing industry. You're very talented.
I do speak publicly at meetings, although I do take notes for my videos that I keep in front of me. It is not strictly scripted but I do have to take notes when citing research so I don't make mistakes and I don't get too off point and end up rambling.
It must be the lions mane
He's smart, clever and funny but also annoying. And naive to think somehow we evolved to where having decent dht levels has only negative effects in adulthood. If it was that simple it would have been selected away. Im not doubting the negatives outweighs the good if you value your hair, but still must have some advantages.
@@thefantorangster2491 If we are going to use the evolutionary argument for DHT, then what do you say about baldness in general? Baldness was never seen as a positive trait in the history of humanity, yet it is still a common part of human biology for many males. Baldness, if anything risks our genes survival by repelling mates of the opposite sex.
@@canadianturtle7240 Yeah, well there is the hypothesis that mostly people mate before they turn bald. Yes the reason baldness sticks around is precisely because there are positive effects of dht as well. So your body can’t just remove it in adulthood.
Tom Cruise has definitely had some work done to his hair
I'm 55 and I use finasteride, minoxidil, derma roller and low level lazer cap therapy ! I started receding in my early 40s and still had 90% of my hair at 50 so I started treatment and I have a full head of hair now. It doesn't happen over night, but stick to the treatment and you may get your hair back. I also want to live forever! Great video buddy. 😊
Started receding in your 40's? Thank the lord. My younger brother was norwood 5 at age 19. I was norwood 3 at age 21. Now its better after my transplant. But man, receding at 40 is good hair genetics.
Are you below baseline now? Or better than when you first started treatment.
I would say I'm 99% back to how I was when I was aprox 21
Succes with your erections
Fin not working for me 😭
I started microdosing Fin 0.1 mg daily, topical Min and Alfatradiol 2 years ago and haven't lost any ground thanks to this channel
Thanks for sharing that. A lot of people don't believe me when I say 0.1 MG of oral finasteride works, but it does and the science shows it.
@@haircafekevin do you know if thers a way to lower ones fin dose once their body is use to? I take 1mg every day, switched to EOD and had some sheddding. Wondering if I can trt do 1/4 or 1/2 tablet every day and my body won't go into shock.
how do you microdose such a small amount? in terms of splitting a pill into that small and exact amount?
Could be just using a 1mg tablet and breaking it down to 10 pieces? Or, there are compounding pharmacies who will Make whatever mg you ask them for. Cheers
@@ayumelove most likely they are taking 0.25 mg 3 times per week. that would round up to roughly 0.1 mg daily.
Hairloss make you older, if you don’t take fin you got older. If you got older you hairloss got worse. Solution: just take fin bro!
Agree!
True oldboy
Well said oldboy🙏🏻🙏🏻
@@haircafekevin When does the fibrosis start to kick in? I am currently waiting for my gene test and evaluation by a hair specialist. I lost a lot of my hair all of the sudden in September 2021. Tho there is no change in my hairline, you can still see that the hair got a lot thinner. Both grandfathers have good hair up until 70+, my father also hasn‘t the worst hair, the only baldy in my family is the cousin of my maternal grandmother who has genetic diabetes since the age of 21
@@hahahahaduhs1384 Just start taking fin imediatly, it's pretty safe. If you turn out to not have androgenic alopecia you can always come off.
this is actually a point for the bluedfluew and scalp tension theories
Dude, I like your aggressive and fast explaining style and the witcher posters on the wall.
Fuck yeah Kevin, I'm pumped to have another fellow Hairloss Witcher on the journey to Immortality, may the length of your locks only be rivaled by the length of your years!
Glad you mentioned the anti-aging research going on. Would be cool if you could touch on some of that in the future sometime. Thanks for the video!
You're welcome. Might branch out into more general anti-aging topics.
Crispr2. Nuff said
@@haircafekevin please do🙏🙏🙏
@@haircafekevin I hope you do, you're one of the few youtubers I trust to report factual information.
@@haircafekevin that would be great to see
When u called urself a middle aged men it kinda hit, how years go by so fast, and how great and younger u look for ur age Kevin.
I can feel Donalds pain in this Thumbnail
Hi Kevin, long time lurker here. I am 25 years old and I have been dealing with the beginning stage of hairloss since I was around 20. After trying out minoxidil for close to 1,5 years (mainly for beard growth) I finally took the leap to start finasteride 0,5 mg daily. I wanted to let you know that your video's helped me out a ton to not worry about what the vocal minority of people post online about the side effects of finasteride. No longer will hairloss be a mental strain on my daily life, as I know that I am actively doing the right things to prevent it from getting worse. Thank you for providing us with endless quality information, and saving us from the slaphead curse! 🙏
Turning 54 in 2 weeks. Definitely improved the hair quality/thickness after adding oral min to my daily dutasteride. Keep it up, guys
I’m on oral as well, but Kevin’s other videos make me question it’s safety, have you seen a cardiologist for peace of mind? I started before I found this channel
@@colenoli4905 no I have not but getting a full exam once a year. Definitely have slightly elevated heartrate from the min. It's better now, took a while for the body to adjust. 15 months on 2.5mg Min daily
@@colenoli4905 Why do you worry about the heart? I'll have to check out the other videos and see.
@Duncan MacLeod All studies with doses this low all say the risk is very minimal if even there
I'm about to pull out the big guns. Fin and Min are not really helping me that much. I'm in my 40's and lost half of my hair in ONE YEAR. Actually in the span of about 4 months a third of it. It was crazy!
I'm thinking of switching to Dut and oral min. Maybe even high doses.
I don't care if I die. My life is practically over anyways.
I may even do hormone replacement therapy. I don't care if I grow tits. I wanna know what can bring hair (mostly) back.
Bludfleu makes you young
Anti-agingmaxxer here. Using a European sunscreen with strong UVA protection every day. I need to fix my diet though
Where do you buy the European sunscreen
@@manthanmehta-q6g care to beauty.
@@jesseshaver2262 which sunscreen do you use
And I know I am being paranoid but is care to beauty safe
@@manthanmehta-q6g it’s worked for me so far. It’s just really expensive sunscreen. I use the La roche posay, anthelios Shaka fluid, no fragrance, no tint
Luckily when you get older you start growing hair in your ears which you can use as donor for hair transplant :)
Sadly that's true.
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
Lol😅
If you let them grow, they can be used for nice combover.
Great video Kevin! Thank you for the effort
It may be very possible as it is a very common molecular biology process, that there is a negative feedback effect where the blood supply causes a DHT production increase which in turn produces less blood supply (due to hair miniaturization) and then more DHT production and so on ... the negative loop keeps being fed. Therefore, stopping any or both of those problems (restoring blood supply or blocking DHT pathway) will produce hair growth. I wouldn't disregard that idea completely since both may be right.
I wanna live long enough and stay young to live cyberpunk 2077
I wouldnt have any issues losing hair as a result of senescent alopecia, if I could keep a decent hair until my fifties, id be a happy man
Excellent topic that I’ve also been pondering on. I always wondered if the diffused loss of hair in 60, 70, 80 plus year olds was due to DHT or just from aging? As we age all of our organs slowly die in old age and I wondered if this was the case with hair in men who has never experienced MPB prior? Great message that meds are still the best defense over the life span. As a hair transplant patient I know that no matter how good my donor may look now it will be at value risk in the coming years as I’m 56. Once again many thanks Kevin for sharing! 🙏
How long u taking finastride?
here to +1 everyone saying to respond to hubermans podcast. would love your thought Kevin!
“Mordin Solus of the hair loss industry” LMAO
Kevin is the king
Someone lost their vision to fin
Has this guy ever explained why there is a pattern?
5ar enzyme density distribution
let's live forever (young) kevin let's go
Love the thumbnail😂
Great you brought up this subject. Been something really bothering me at age 44 with no regrowth from trying Dusteride 0.5 mg per second day over a year now. Doctor refuse oral minoxidil. I am still around 2,5-3 NW. Worse in right side because men lose more temple hair there on average it seems from hair science. Will properly do some tiny transplant in Turkey and go back to a 1NW preferably. That is when I am having more money at hand. At least I am not really bald like many others above the crown. I can still go to metal gigs and bang that hair:) I just hate how greasy the scalp becomes after topical Minoxidil. Especially with long hair. I also feel like it gives zits. So have to start up Tretinoid and Basiron here. Something starts thinning the hair when getting older. Its not the DHT in everyone. Its the diameter of the hair shaft. Some follicle out dying phasing.
Why not Dutasteride every day?
Would recommend switching to DUT daily. As well as switching to a different doctor or possibly thinking of taking the liquid/2 drops (from what i've heard) daily. ALOT more safe then people think, more absorbtion rate under the tongue aswell. This is of course my opinion and I recommend looking more into it if that's your thing.
At 44, I doubt your hairloss is because of aging. Old age hairloss is likely to kick in around and above the age of fifty i think.
@@LarsRyeJeppesen Afraid it will nuke the DHT even more. Fin reduce DHT with 68-72 % approx. Dutasteride reduce DHT with 84-98 %
So my logical was that I can already feel over a year of taking it that my scrotum or behind the Penile and testicles, that prostate is properly reduced at least 50%. Might be a good thing if its enlarged? Think it was only 5-10 % enlarged before. So it feels different and I am not making it up. I am also concerned it will shrink the penile. Before starting 5-Alpha Reductase Inhibitors. I was almost 21.5 cm. (Almost 9 inch) Lately I measured to round 18.5 to 19. 5 cm. (Just 8 inch) Think the circumference is the same somewhat? 13.8 cm around, but feels smaller somehow. Its hard to explain. When I go to the gym its really small in girth or flaccid after a heavy workout. And people would get a shock knowing it can grow 8 inch. Would look like highest 5 or some it could do.
Its just tiny concerning. I don't want to believe in post finasteride syndrome.
But lets look objective on things. Body builders like myself will often take DHT compounds to get more hard muscles. Now I only tried once a very small cycle with such pills. Very mild. However, does it not makes sense that Derek from MPMD is wrong when he states that you get 15-20 % more free T from jumping on Fin Or Dut? When you also reduce the DHT. DHT is small part of free T. Sure, But its making you hard and its even making your muscles look hard and giving you strength. Their must be something to it?
On top of that my beard is okay on my chin and mustache but is absent from my cheeks and throat. Meaning I might not even have too much DHT already?
Therefore I am slightly concerned lowering this much with Dutasteride. I even think of going back on Finasteride but if I run some cycles, I might stay on Dutasteride to combat hair loss better.
What would you do in my situation with these observations? After i started Fin and went to Dut. I also started Viagra and switched to Cialis. I just felt the blood circulation and most of all the feeling was more numb and it was hard to feel the nerves. Properly DHT related?
When you then take Cialis because of Dut and then have to now also get prescribed anti reflux tabs for the burn in the throat that cialis create with 5 mg aday. You are taking 2 medicine extra because of the first one? Chain reaction.
If I was having some enormous hairy beard and body. Closer to getting bald? I would properly have enough DHT to endure the agony that comes along with Fin or Dutasteride.
Also the brainfog is pronounced.
Experienced any of this? I know its taboo and I am very honest here. I got nothing to lose at this state in life and if not honest then I might as well not contribute to anything or live life.
@@TheHungarianOak Thanks. You might have a very good point. People who lose that hair follicle thickness as they age alot I tend to agree. I will add that drinking pure Amino Acid will make your hair shine more and will make it look better. Trust me on that.
I shall upload a video on my channel right now. Give me 5 minutes. Of me headbanging to a metal concert just 2 days ago. And I still got some hair left? You judge. I am the big blond guy on the left. The one the people on the right are afraid of:)
Just check latest video.
Hi Kevin, do you mind researching and then making a video about the safest ways to temporarily come off Fin or Dut when trying to impregnate a partner for those planning to have kids ,in such a way that the baby will be healthy .But also how to at least maintain your hair with other viable topicals products (safe for contact with infants) in the weeks or months while we temporarily abstain from Fin and Dut.
That is not a bad idea. I did create a video a couple of years ago talking about finasteride and fertility but I wouldn't mind addressing this topic again.
@@haircafekevin this would be great!
@@haircafekevin Thanks for your reply, we will be glad if you do a video on this .
I love you bro, you are what the community NEEDS, a beacon of hope and scientific rigour, thank you for everything you do!
P.S Cyberpunk2077 is one of my favourite games ever, so nova that you use the lingo
Hi Kevin! Thank you for this new video. I learn so much with You!
Glad they are interesting for you.
Hi Kevin, i really appreciate your channel and all the content that you bring us. Could you please make some videos on some anti aging product and how they works, as you do with the hair loss?
But I see older man 60 70 with full head of hair like full density , my uncle die at 85 year old and he still have full head of hair no crown or temples medscalp thinning nothing I wish I have his genetics
It definitely doesn't affect everyone. it's genetic like androgenic alopecia, but it's different genes.
Interesting that women still commonly have great hair in their 70s-80s, whilst for men it is rare. There must be an androgen aspect to senescent alopecia if it does exist, maybe a combination of different patterns/upregulations of androgen receptors across the scalp due to age or epigenetic factors
I think one of the major reasons is a decline in GROWTH HORMONE! A lot of guys with hair loss or who've been near completely bald have been able to regrow a full head of hair after starting to take HGH. What is the other main hormone that reduces with aging other than T and DHT? It is growth hormone. The reduction of GH release could be one of the major causes of senile alopecia. I take a GH secretion promoting drug and just so happen to regrow a lot of hair on my Norwooded areas. I am not taking finasteride otherwise.
Jaja, and your friend of the "bludfluw" is back with his "cheap" massager for the scalp claiming again that it makes you regrowth hair, curiously enough, I haven't massage my scalp for about 6 months (When I discovered your channel), and now I have more hair, but when I massage like those bloodflow theory said, every time I massaged my scalp I could see hairs falling maybe because since the follicles are thin and weak, maybe massaging, especially those "hard" massages, make it worst, in any case, any thing that had worked for me and for almost everyone is a DHT blocker and minoxidil, nothing else, I tried all of the other things, and they did nothing. Best
The scalp massage is by far the biggest scam In the hairloss industry.
For 2 years i was doing that dumb scalp massage to stimulate the " blüttflew " and I ended up losing 1 whole Norwood in that period of time going from Norwood 2 to Norwood 3...
Thanks God nowadays I'm on finasteride + dutasteride + topical minox and i also got a hairtransplant few years ago.
This blüttflew guy has to go. Seriously shame on him for spreading false informations to people suffering from hairloss.
I've thought about this, before. Cells possibly become more sensitive to DHT, the more androgenic compound, to compensate for lower Testosterone levels, as we age.
That was a fu*cking preem epilogue.
i love your videos. need your jokes to help me navigate the slap head curse!
Haircafe overdosed from daily 500 mg IV finasteride use, saw him in the ER last week
At 12:01, dude's smile is identical to Han Solo!
Excellent presentation, Mr. Haircafe, are you a professional lecturer? Very impressive.
Thank you! I have given speeches but definitely no professional.
@@haircafekevin John Galt would be proud.
Since I joined the dutasteride master race : i'm looking more and more like Leon Scott Kennedy in RE4 remake . Hopefully, soon I will be able to get waifus like Ashley Graham, Ada Wong, AOC and Ana Kasparian .
Ashley Graham was gorgeous years ago (still now but less ) Ana de Armas is wonderful.
Leon Chad Supermodel Kennedy
@@Bartholome3101 they are great waifus
@jesse shaver he doesn't get a Nintendo switch from his wife's boyfriend !
Team Ada here.
I’m so glad I found this channel! I wish I found it sooner when I was 23 to get on finasteride. Started off with .5mg now at 1mg every other day! Better late than never!! Cheers Kevin! Slapping the slap out of the slap head curse!
Well at least we know minoxidil works wonders for the old guys cause the side effect of hair regrowth from loniten were observed on old guys anyway
we love u kevin
You said as opposed to the bloodflow theory that the hair miniaturises first then the blood flow decreases, but you're putting the cart before the horse. If DHT is not the culprit, then what made the hair miniaturise in the first place? Are you saying it's purely "aging"? Because that's not a deep enough answer, what's the answer at a cellular level?
Maybe older men are prone to have more illnesses and health conditions and that in itself is considered a physiological stressor on the body thus why they tend to lose hair as they get older?
Yeah that's possible. i don't think all the causes of senescent alopecia have been worked out, though some of it does seem to be genetic.
great info👍
Waiting for the review of the Andrew Huberman Podcast on hair loss.
1:40 regarding celebrities and many musicians, i firmly believe that most of them use hairsystems, virtualy every rockstar from the 70-80's has a norwood 0 with perfect density 🤔
It's possible. Or they were on finasteride.
Possible for some. Others probably just had really good genetics.
You can follow a lot of these guys' hair progression because there's so many photos. If they seemed to be slowly receding then they suddenly have full heads of hair again then it's probably a hair system. If they had recession and then creeped back down to a lower Norwood level I'd say medication and/or transplant. If they never showed any sign of recession it's probably just good genes.
Roger Waters from Pink Floyd is a great example. 79 years old with a perfect hairline. MAYBE he's thinned a tad over time, but the Norwood reaper probably won't make any significant dent in his hair before the real reaper takes him out. Lots of photos of him throughout the years and never showed any signs of thinning or recession. From what I've seen his whole family has pretty good hair. Was the ugliest dude in the band in their early years and is now the most handsome of the three left... if you're him I don't know if that's good or bad.
I HEARD that heroin supresses DHT sensitivity or some shit
Tobey Maguire seemed to have a perfect hair line for the longest time. Seriously looked like he would never have any recession. Yet in Spider-Man No Way Home he looks like he's balding. He was only 45 at the time so not exactly what you're talking about but figured someone might find it interesting.
Thanks Kevin I am 21 years old I am using finax 1mg daily and minoxidil twice a day thanks Kevin for saving our hairs
how long have you been. using fin for
Hey kev, could you do a vid on a new treatment for AGA called TDM-105795 which is in phase 2. I know it does not target androgens but still is something in the fight against hairloss. Just wish GT20029 was out already
Hmmm... I thought DHT INCREASED w age thus explaining why BPH gets worse w age?
No, it decreases with age. I showed it here with testosterone at 0:53 and DHT at 1:00
like 40% of the whole reason I watch Kevin's videos is to hear him say blutfluw
This aging question is killing me. Ive been on minoxidil for 5 years, fin for 2 year and dut for 2 years on top of that; started when I was still a NW2 at age 25, but ive been shedding horrifically for 10 of the last 15 months with no signs of it slowing down. Not sure if this is a latent ‘shedding phase’ or if im just done for. Well, happy easter regardless!
I’ve been scared of this but all I can say is possibly talk to a dermatologist and continue taking the pills! Best of luck brother
Maybe your hairloss is not androgenic alopecia but something else.
@@terrancewood9322 I live a healthy lifestyle, good diet and have had blood work done (only positive results). Drugs worked at first, but 12 of the last 24 months have been sheds for me nonetheless.
@@Lamb02 All of the derms ive seen have been trash. They're all "drugs must not be working, guess youre screwed," even though I saw a good (brief) recovery at the end of last year. I'll keep taking treatment.
@@walterwalrus8229 shedding and going bald is one thing and the hair regrowing after shedding is another thing, do you lose the hair completely or are they regrowing? Do you see tiny hair coming out?
Those thumbnails always on point
i thought dht was more prevalent as we got older
Started yesterday with my first Finasteride (1.25mg) dosage🎉
You've got this.
I have frontal fibrosing alopecia and there are some examples of finasteride reversing atrophy.
To put it simply; it has encouraged growth in scarred regions.
I don't know why but there's a Canadian derm dr Donovan who treats FFA and posted about it.
It doesn't bare any scientific significance though unless repeated in a trial with multiple patients. And we need a whole lot more research for FFA.
Are all hairfolicles on the top sensitive to DHT, or do some never get effected by DHT ?
Do you reckon the CRISPR gene editing will maintain hair that you kept due to taking finasteride and minoxidil even if you stop taking those treatments?
It's very speculative, but ideally gene editing would actually change the hairs themselves so they are no longer susceptible to miniaturizing. Theoretically with gene editing you might not need any other medical treatment.
Hey Kev, I have a question regarding gt20029 I saw your video on it but you did not tackle one subject. If the drug is degrader of receptor (It destroys the receptor) and if it goes systemic a little bit (according to phase 1 trial) Does that mean, it would demasculize you in the long term? muscle building potential is corelated to androgen receptor density in the muscle, also while maturating, androgen receptor density in the face along with testosterone (not dht) is coorelated with jaw size and other masculine facial features?
Thanks Kevin!❤
Edit: there was a lot of debate about this on r/tressles, some people even think it would have side effect similiar to MTF transitioning
It looks like the amount of systemic absorption is very low, but we will have to see if there are any anti-androgen sides in the larger trials. In any case, it would not cause any permanent changes, because your androgen receptors would come back after stopping the drug.
Can you make a video about hairloss and inflammation . Thank you
I have, right here
ruclips.net/video/i4DtTB2jriM/видео.html
Hey Kevin, just curious brother what is your current stack to prevent any further hair loss? Your hair looks great and I remember hearing you come off ru58841, so I was wondering if you experienced any hair loss coming off RU or are you stable? Because I thought you need an anti androgen to counteract the scalp testosterone serum that builds up and eats the hair follicle from taking fin/due Thank you!
I swear sometimes you look like you’re getting younger
Hair transplant talk has a new video with a verteporfin update. Yes this is my second comment on this subject.
Hey Kevin! I recently revisited your skin care videos regarding anti aging. I saw you did micro needling as well as tretnonin.
Im wondering how you implement those simultaneously in your routine? From my understanding you would need a break from both tret and sunscreen, so i dropped micro needling as it was too inconvenient. Is it false that you may no apply any skincare products after micro needling?
I don't microneedle anymore as I don't think it is safe. I talk about it in my recent microneedling video. I have a more recent skincare video from earlier this year too that excludes microneedling.
Tretinoin is good though, so is sunscreen.
@@haircafekevin which sunscreen do you use?
Gud vid!
What do you think about the hairdx hairloss test kit? It’s been around for a long time apparently but I haven’t heard many people talk about it
Hmm... but if senescent alopecia is the explanation to why balding progresses as you age even though DHT levels drop, wouldn't that require that everyone who has AGA also has senescent alopecia? Because otherwise there would be a type of person who has AGA, but not SA and such a person would have their hairloss halt as DHT levels drop and maybe even reverse slightly, yet we know that type of person doesn't exist. Furthermore, as the study you reference says, when they examined ppl who started balding before 30 and those who started after 60, they found genetic differences, meaning that the AGA sufferers did not have the SA genes that the guys who went bald after 60 had (in other words, they didn't have SA).
Usually by the time DHT drops with old age, people with AGA have had enough irreversible damage done by DHT that the drop in DHT no longer has much effect. This goes along with 5AR blockers working best when they are started at a younger age, and they have less effect if you start them too late. Or at least that's how I would explain it.
Hey Kevin, would love to hear your thoughts about the recent Huberman video on curing hair loss
After watching for a minute it's very clear he has unaddressed psychological issues
11:50 True words spoken from a wise man!! 🤌🤟
Kevin I got a interesting question for you brother for a possible video. I have been taking magnesium L-theonate for sleep (recommended by andrew huberman), and I have actually had a lot better sleep quality I believe. But after further looking into it I am seeing the magnesium can possibly effect DHT for AGA? Let me know what you think!
Just ordered my first months supply of finasteride today. Hair loss hasn’t been too significant yet but enough for me to notice. I’m excited to see where this may go.
Good choice. I have been on it for 2 years, was in the very early stages of thinning when I started and I still have a full head of hair.
When does the fibrosis start to kick in? I am currently waiting for my gene test and evaluation by a hair specialist. I lost a lot of my hair all of the sudden in September 2021. Tho there is no change in my hairline, you can still see that the hair got a lot thinner. Does anyone here have a good idea or similar experiences like me? Both grandfathers have good hair up until 70+, my father also hasn‘t the worst hair. The only baldy in my family is the cousin of my maternal grandmother who has genetic diabetes since the age of 21
Trump did manage to keep his hairy look despite having less hairs, a drawing of him is always incomplete without the blonde hairs and orange skin. That’s how you keep up the perception of having hairs if you don’t posses them.
He uses finasteride and I wouldn't be surprised if Biden does too. They both look better with hair than they would bald and both Trump and Biden were surprisingly handsome when they were young.
@@haircafekevin Biden's hair actually looks better now. When he first got the the transplant it looked pretty terrible. I wonder if he had hair transplant repair surgery at some point. I think the bigger factor is the white hair - less of a contrast between his scalp and the few hairs he has. TBH, it's kind of refreshing to see that two of the most powerful men on the world stage in the past ten years have actively battled their hair loss.
@@haircafekevin yeah and trump started losing his hairs after 40s which makes me sad as I’m NW2 at 20 lmao
@@haircafekevinMost of us were surprisingly handsome when we were younger. Aging will knock the snot out of you - even if eat healthy, excercise daily & do everything right. I looked as good as you when I was in my 40's but now in my 60's (63), things are really falling apart. I had a nice set hair with very little graying up to about 2 years ago when thinning, receding hairline & some balding at the vertex started developing. I don't know if it's AGA or SA 🤔 (my father died early but both of my grandfathers lived into their 80's & had no MPB - just a little thinnng & normal graying). What about your father, if I my ask - his age & does he have any hair loss?
Furthermore, I got a script from my doc for fin. I didn't start the 1 mg daily standard dose but instead followed the Hair Loss doc's recommended 1 mg 3xweek (MWF). I had some side-effects, so again at their recommendation, cut that down to .5 mg 3xweek - which I believe equates to .2 mg a day? (.5 mg ÷ 7 = .21). Side-effects gone & I feel pretty good on that dose (been on that dose for 3 months now). However, I'm not seeing any results nor even stabilization. So, I don't know if I have AGA or SA 🤔 (gets confusing on the difference of these two conditions?).
Funny thing virtually every friend or acquaintance of mine around my age or older at my gym, have some level of hair loss & hair thinning. Even a couple of old timers I know with long hair (these guys have pure gray hair that they ponytail) have some balding going on (vertex) or receding hairline. I've ask all these all guys if they have taken fin or considered taking fin - they all say they never even heard of it & that they're happy with their hair the way it is. I probably wouldn't care about my hair either except I'm widowed & in the dating market - and you'd be surprised at how many of these old women in my age demographics despise bald guys & want a dude with a full set of hair! 🤣
Hi kevin, please answer this as you have done so in the past:
Is it okay to add Tretenoin cream to your 5% minoxidil spray? does it impact the absorption of minoxidil and more importantly is it more effective than, lets say, just applying the cream on your scalp directly?
I would do it separately. But hey that's just me.
Hello, Kevin, can you make a video about Andrew Huberman’s Podcast on hairloss and how to regrow hair?
Yes, check the community post. It is in the works.
Sup Kevin, can wearing a motorcycle helmet cause hair loss? Great video btw and break down for all of us hair loss witchers out there. Something to keep in mind as we age.
No
No, this was one of the things that was debunked over a century ago. Check out my video titled "What I've Learned and Rob English debunked."
What about headshape and hair loss, it seems like my scalp got calcified in a pointy head shape causing more hair loss since my mpb started
No, that is complete horse shit. The whole head shape=hair loss is a fraudulent theory that all comes from this one guy named Paul Taylor.
I addressed it here.
m.ruclips.net/video/pTNJmKeAtiI/видео.html
Maybe we are overlooking other hormones like HGH that decline as we get older.
There may be other factors involved, but I just reported on the current research which seems to indicate it is a genetic condition separate from AGA.
Great content, Kevin.
Is it best to always start with 1mg Fin per day and titrate down only if side effects are present?
Thanks! This one was one of my favourites. Yes, 1 mg daily is the standard dose with the most research. Start with that, no need to start at a compromise.
Titrate down only if you need to.
Kevin you should do a video on the risks of dermaneedling. It causes scar tissue in which only hair surgeons can detect. I had a hair transplant and my Doctor noticed all the scarring. I'd rather get a transplant first and avoid the dermaneedlig altogether and maintain healthy scalp tissue. I honestly think the risks of needling far outweigh the benefits
Agreed !!! 100% agree !
He already made a video on the dangers of microneedling though.
But it's true that other videos could be awesome as well. I also think microneedling is just not a good deal.
I tried it and it did nothing to improve my hair and it was such a hassle to do...
The hype behind microneedling is very weird imo
@Exactly117 yep never understood how stabbing the follicles with needles and severely traumatizing the scalp with scarring is gonna help anything. All that to try and regrow hair when no one even knows if it actually works?! I'll pass and go straight for a hair transplant + finasteride keeping scalp scar free!
My next video is going to be on microneedling, stay tuned!
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Previously thought it was just cumulative effect of dht and heightening sensitivity. Mainly because females grow more body hair with age. Any idea why that is?
Some women get hairy because of PCOS. I'm not sure it's relevant to male balding with age. I also initially thought it had something to do with DHT sensitivity, but it looks like other genes are involved that are unrelated to DHT and it is a separate condition. Also, women are susceptible to senescent alopecia as well as men.
@@haircafekevin Thanks man.
It probably has to do with senescence in general. You're getting older, your brain doesn't work well (dementia), your heart isn't well, your eyes are going to sh!t, your hair cells are dying, your skin is getting wrinkly, etc. I think the simple explanation is that you are just dying. You're wayyy past your peak
But then it would stand to reason that all humans would suffer from it as they age but this isn't the case, personally i need to look no further than to my grandfather and his brothers, all in their 70s and 80s with a thick full head of hair, i can at least speak for my grandfather who's hairline hasn't even changed since his 20s, doesn't even show signs of thinning. I have a feeling i might have drawn the lucky card as i am currently 31 with no signs of hairloss in any capacity but clearly still very much a possibility later on but personally i think if your hair in intact at least through your mid to late 30s your chances of going completely bald is extremely slim.
@@HansensUniverseT-A This doesn't mean that all men would go bald rather it would mean that their hair just wouldn't be the same. This would include people who still have a full head of hair.
Hey Kevin, thanks for the video! I'm on 4 months into finasteride treatment, and my hair has looked thicker but it's less dense and I'm a diffuse thinner. I'm currently 18 and have been receding since I was 14-15, and I'd say I'm a NW3. Should I wait for the whole year before experimenting with Minoxidil or should I just start Minoxidil right now? Thanks!
Also, I was wondering if you could critique Andrew Huberman's recent video on hair loss and break it down for us viewers? Would be much appreciated; thanks!
You’re definitely good to start minoxidil. Though remember it’s a lifelong commitment
Huberman just said in his latest podcast to let Minoxidil sit on the scalp for 3 TO 5 MINUTES before washing it off!!! I hope you find the time to make a video on that Kevin 😅👍
Sir is it necessary to shampoo your hair everyday while applying minoxidil?please reply
BLÜT FLEW theory
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Hey Kevin, I’ve been on finasteride for 3 years. Recently started topical minoxidil. Is it true that you can make your hair worse after stopping minoxidil from shed and even lose the ground you’ve made on finasteride? These tressless incels got me worried. Happy Easter chume, thanks for all the knowledge
You will lose the gains due to the minoxidil, but won't lose the finasteride gains. However it's not good to lose any gains, which is why most people stay on minoxidil permanently once it's started.
Great topic, been wondering about this subject for a good while
Hey man, this isn't especially relevant to this video, but I've been watching your videos for a while now, and I was wondering this: could use of these hair loss treatments possibly have an epigenetic effect? Supposing one takes finasteride or whatever to suppress DHT sensitivity, could this suppressed sensitivity pass on to their kids, and so on? I am not a geneticist, and I've only recently started looking into hair loss treatments, so I might just be talking out of my rear.
see you in proxima centauri with a flowing mane of hair in 3023 chooms.
Key Kevin, do you have any info on Minoxidil shedding a 2nd time, or periodical shedding? Could be a good idea for a video.
tom cruise wears a hair piece
Jesus... this guy is exhausting!