A small correction: The Inteyvat flower was most likely placed by Halfdan(as seen in his cutscene) and not the abyss sibling. So Halfdan may have been carrying it for 500 years with him instead of "the abyss sibling visiting Khaenri'ah" scenario that I mentioned.
8:13 i disagree with your theory. halfdan dies after being hit by the yellow light, BUT his soul went back to his original human form, he also remembers dains and khaenriah, meaning he is PURIFIED of his curse and erosion, his memory returns. meaning the yellow light actually remove the curse and erosion, returning one's soul to its original form. what if this is what lumine true purpose? not returning them physically like we initially thought. or maybe she do want to return them physically, but she needs to know if she can return their soul/memory first, and this is the device for. after all a body without it's soul and memory is an empty shell. another weird thing is the words "revival of homeland", not restoration or rebuilding. normally you would say "rebuilding of homeland" but mihoyo decided to pick the word revival. to me revival means to return to the exact same state as before with no difference.
I’ve noticed a pattern that Dain’s quests only come once a year,during the earlier months.This means we oughta see him after Sumeru and a new area from that region arrives which is farrrr away I’m actually excited for it cuz it’ll be where Lisa had discovered some forbidden book/knowledge about Celestia and I’m curious to know what this book contains that made Orobashi die and the latter to be cursed with something similar to erosion
@@Justacuriouslady tbh two instances don't make a pattern. His second quest being connected to the Chasm means it couldn't have been released earlier, but it's not guaranteed he'll always be met in the newest region I guess.
@@lyswenn well there can’t be another reason for him to arrive after we’ve finished Inazuma,there might even be a chance for him to arrive straight after finishing Sumeru and investigating a new area
Imagine in the future. A cutscene, where we see everything unfold. The rise of khanreiah, the archons being ordered to attack it and the night of the calamity. bro the lore is too good.
I don't think the archons were forced to attack, how did Ei's sister Makoto die then? I don't think they had the power to take on seven archons. I think they went to khaneri'ah to protect the people and stop the sustainer from cursing them, but failed. I don't know how else Makoto would have died.
I'm starting to think Erosion is not a natural Phenomena in Teyvat now but likely a curse upon all long lived beings be Celestia. Likely to control and keep them from getting powerful enough to overthrow them as they succumb to Dementia. This...might explain Ei's actions. She had already cut ties to Celestia and through the Puppet, was attempting to Free Herself from the Curse of Erosion.
Zhongli literally said during his story quest that erosion is imposed on him by the heavenly principles, so what you're saying isn't news and has already been confirmed in game. Same thing goes with Ei...
Which is probably why Zhongli in his first story quest wanted the traveller to be the "witness"; to record all the events of Teyvat down to the detail and without falsehoods, because the traveller and their abyss twin likely do not suffer "erosion" as compared to writing it down on immovable rocks or himself who would succumb to it.
@@silverhawkscape2677 natural order, heavenly principles, divinity... That's what we get cause hoyoverse uses google translate and cant stick to a single title
@@george22234 I think there's also confusion because his dialogue on it seems to have been changed. I'm not sure which was first and which is currently being used: "Perhaps this is the erosion imposed on me [by the natural order of this world/by the heavenly principles]" which may lead to others thinking it's a natural phenomenon. Here's a copy I've found of him just saying natural order and not heavenly principles, just skip to 1:12:51: ruclips.net/video/JDuhyLzLljk/видео.html
Fantastic analysis, as always. 16:12 I believe the reason the Abyss Herald wasn't affected was because he wasn't actually from Khaenri'ah. The Abyss Order recruits outsiders from time to time. We see this with the Black Knight Roland (see Black Sword and Bloodstained Artifacts), and I doubt Enjou is from Khaenri'ah himself. Heck, they even made the Abyss Twin queen despite not being a citizen.
I bet those structures aren’t upside down. Teyvat is the one that’s upside down. Whatever happened in the past flipped the world and now the false sky rules it all - Celestia.
Tyvat is placed in the Inner side of a sphere. The sky is the center of the sphere, with all conestaltions, virtual gravity, and fake stuff. It also fit how it's said PO created human realm, and fit it between light realm and abyss realm. And since the planet is hollow from inside (the fake sky), it mean it doesn't have concentrated mass in it's center to be rotating around itself. So the planet doesn't have day and night cycles. Meaning it either have one half facing the real sun (light realm) and one half is utterly dark (abyss). Or there's no real sun, and only have the elements in light realm firming "light". Either scenarios have half if the planet dark, which is the Abyss. Now they say Enkanomyia lies in the middle of the three realms, which is reasonable as well. It fell from the fake sky under the sea. So it actually went one layer outside the inner human world. But it still didn't get to the most outer layer (light realm and abyss real), so it's between all three.
@@gummyfactory good point, they could've ended whichever way up since apparently gravity's haphazard down there. And who's to say we're still facing the same way up after we teleport into that different map?
Well, let's remember that Venti said in his introduction that he and the Traveler had once met and traveled together... It's just that the Traveler doesn't remember 😊 Maybe that's how Lumine got the flower. Tho, I wonder on the side of Aether, what accessory he has that is in connection to Kahenri'ah edit: which reminds me the theory about Traveler sleeping the entire time is a bit skeptical because of what Venti said. Maybe Traveler's memories got manipulated after Sustainer captured them... or maybe its a situation similar to Ei planting the Sakura tree, who knows. update: sorry for taking so long 😅 but apparently there isn't anything on Aether that is from Khaenri'ah. Well, he hasn't mentioned anything of Khaenri'ah item on him, only that he recognized the flower on the ground as something the Abyss Princess wore on her hair. it somehow implies that the Abyss Prince is more caring about his Twin Sister since he left something for her... If he really was the one who put it on her 🤔
His earring has been considered just as important to his character as lumines flower is to her from official arts and stuff. Maybe his earring is also connected to khaenri'ah considering their clothing is all star related which is a common motif with khaenri'ah and could symbolise smt
@@fathaja179 you can check out Venti's "Hello". it's the very 1st line in the voice-overs 🤣🤣🤣 Actually I didn't think anything of it either, until someone pointed it out too.
I appreciated how Cat used both Twins (as traveler and abyss prince/princess). Makes you happy with whatever twin you picked cus of the difference in perspective, and no 'canon this canon that' argument for either of them. we are all here for the story. Thank you again for your hard work Cat, keep it up! 🎈 update: okay I didn't know my comment blew up lmao thankyou everyone for the votes hahaha made my day stop arguing and hurting each other with words over which sibling is canon, mihoyo ain't paying anyone to be keyboard heroes for their court hahahah
still , seeing the lore behind the Inteyvat flower i'm inclined to believe that the story really favors Aether as the traveler. for Lumine, you reeeeally gotta come up with a good and plausible explanation for the design choice and what not. but for Aether, the story and lore kinda lines up nicely.
@@churroftt i mean the story kinda implying the opposite of what you're theorizing. isn't theorizing "uncertain" aspects more fun than already heavily implied content? just saying...
I REALLY don’t want to believe it but: people are saying that the Inteyvat flower is a foreshadowing of one of the twins (specifically abyss sibling since Mihorny uses Lumine as their abyss sibling) dying in the Khenri’ah chapter. “Take the Inteyvat outside for it to bloom, (our journey) but once the flower returns to their homeland, it turns to dust. (death in Khenri’ah).” Hope it’s not true and I’m just worried :,)
I've been theorizing that the abyss twin dies at the end of the game from the Teyvat Chapter Storyline Preview: Travail, where at the end, there is only one twin when Dain is talking about saving "her", and the music is also sad. And it might just be me but Aether looked sad/defeated. If you don't know what I'm talking about this is the section I'm referring to! ruclips.net/video/TAlKhARUcoY/видео.html
Well Dainsleif sentence is not finished yet, he also said that after defeat him we will have the power to re-weave the thread, meaning we will have the power to rewind time space and everything in order to save anyone, including our twin sibling.
The power in The Chasm doesn't actually suppress their curse of immortality, but instead it drains the life forces of people in Teyvat, which explains why they have a strong desire to stay in The Chasm, not because it's suppressing their curse, but making them finally die (which is making them feel a great relief from living for hundreds of years). That probably explains why Traveler is able to go inside without harm as well since Traveler isn't from this world.
@@RosariaDewi some theories speculates that Paimon IS the Sustainer, knowingly or unknowingly (I mean, the hints are very obvious and I personally don't believe in a plot twist that cheap, but still there are), this could explain why she doesn't feel anything either.
@@NekoHibaCosplay the other theories say that Paimon may be one of primordial shards (maybe even Istaroth but not necesseraly), that would also explain why she doesn't feel anything strange.
Also remember how paimon told Zhiquiong that there should be someone left to maintain the records? And how the God to Time was the only shade of the Primordial One who answered Enakomiya's call for help ? Maybe the God of Time did it to maintain the records ( Before Sun and Moon) as well
Ngl, this Quest alone feels so short when you've already opened all the teleport waypoint of Chasm. But this quest made me cry a lot...like, a lot Also, the reason why I think the Hydro Archon doesn't want to make an enemy of the Devine a.k.a Celestia, is either because: 1. People with strong sense of justice tend to act more reasonable than people with strong sense of love. This is why it's the Cryo Archon that plans a struggle against Celestia, rather than the Hydro Archon. But who knows, that the Hydro Archon herself might planning something against Celestia in the shadow? 2. She has the same sense of justice as Celestia
Celestia is right above Fontaine, so I wonder how they get away with technology like Kameras knowing what happened with other advanced civilizations… theres the possibility of a secret agreement being in place.
Notice how Dain always helps us on our original quest on finding out more about what happened to our sibling, unlike the archons so far who literally asked us to fight dragons, giant lizards and the archon themselves and still told us nothing to us😭
It sounds like the archons that do know something are just trying to avoid Celestia's gaze since anyone who openly talks about them dies. Kinda like how reading Sun & Moon means Celestia is going to 100% end you.
Lumine doesn't say that she doesn't remember, only that she had it when she "woke up." This wake up could very well just be after the 500 year nap and shortly before the game starts, but that would be the most boring explanation. While prior to this point, the twins have been completely interchangeable barring maybe slight differences in tone and expression, this quest probably has the biggest difference so far in the story between playing as Aether or Lumine, and it's the freaking flower in Lumine's hair! Aether has no equivalent on his design, but that flower still somehow ended up being plot relevant, so the two twins had to have very different things to say about it, leading to Lumine adding a little more detail that could call the backstory into question.
aether says its the same flower that my sister wears, while lumine says that its the same flower that i wear. thats the only difference in dialogue between the two, though i think its a significant one. i personally think the story was originally designed with lumine being the abyss twin, which is backed by all of the promotional media since launch, but it'll be interesting to see how they progress the story while keeping both twins in mind
The fact that the ruins are actually made during Primordial one’s time makes me curious by what other civilisation lived during their time,maybe it’s the Seelie race considering the game mentions how it was an ancient race that existed long ago.I also realised one commonality between Tsurumi,Enkonomiya and the Seelies,each of them have ghosts/shadows that exist without a clear identification.This might be because they lack someone who can remember them which makes them look more ghastly then humanly or/and they might have suffered from erosion at some point.When it came to some quests like Ei’s Story Quest,the ghosts had identities that made them look like how they were during that time which means Celestia may have connected the dots of which civilisations didn’t worship the Seven Archons and decided to lay a curse on each of them to suffer from erosion so that no one would remember who they were.The only ones who didn’t suffer from erosion are Orobashi and Lisa because they’re still remembered by others.However Lisa is still living which means she might be eroding slower. Also another interesting case is that Celestia doesn’t know how to fully control the 7 elements,during the Archon Quest Dain mentioned how the Abyss Order is doing something with the Natural Order.The Traveller can use all Seven elements without a vision which might indicate that they share some similar technology to the Primordial One or Khaenriah.I have a feeling that they’ll be the new god of the nation and will dethrone Celestia because they’re able to control all the elements and that Dain mentions in the Teyvat trailer that they will soon get a throne when they’ve finished their journey in teyvat. Lastly I’ve realised that during Enkonomiya and The Chasm’s quest,there were no vision bearers who investigated the ancient ruins.Only the Traveller can enter them as if it was meant for them to come in the first place,unless they can be investigated because the ruins lack the book of forbidden knowledge(the one Orobashi and Lisa read).A vision is like an eye from Celestia to see how humans live,so if anyone with a vision were to find out about Khaenriah and other civilisations they’d suffer from the wrath of the gods.Even during Enkonomiya,one shade said that the Traveller should never speak about the trials to anyone,this indicates that it’s for protection purposes and avoiding Celestia from shushing anyone who contains any knowledge connected the ancients
AT THIS POINT, Celestia is just a bunch of cnts who colonize teyvat.. They put the God of heavenly principles there to stop the traveller, because anything that happens on teyvat, stays on teyvat....
Alternatively, Celestia considers visionless people to be unambitious enough to not be a threat. A kind of people who after getting forbidden knowledge would take it to their grave.
I don't think the Seelies are there before the Primordial One came. The Primordial One is named this way because it was known as the first to come to Teyvat. It was said that before them, before humans existed in Teyvat, only dragons can be found. The Primordial One, after having defeated the dragons, have created one unified civilisation. If this civilisation was as old as the one found in the Chasm, which coincidentally contains the same structures as Enkonomiya, then it meant that the Archon system has yet existed. It would then be odd for them to curse the civilisation they created in their own hands. If there were any changes, it only happened when for the first time, Celestia at the time was encountering an invasion. If there were any power that would be strong enough to throw an invasion against the Primordial One, it would mean that they could have similar origins, at least Outlanders. Coincidentally, the Second Outlander that came to Teyvat is also the one who brought chaos after they and the Queen Seelie decided to be unified through mariage. For this reason, some people believe that the Second Outlander is the one who attacks against the Primordial One. Celestia declares that the invaders were chased away. However, what the scribe thinks may be the Primordial One has 180° change in attitude, doing quite the contrary of what they use to do. Moreover, at the time, the Primordial One and three other shades aren't responding. It seemed rather not that the Primordial One is heartless but because Celestia lies. The Primordial One is defeated and replaced by the Second Who Came. It is then more reasonable for the Second One to want to shut anyone from mentioning any records of the Ancient Civilisation. Why destroying the Ancient Civilisation? It can be that the Second Who Came actually has different ideals than the Primordial One. If such changes are noticeable than the people of the Ancient Civilisation can later identify the Second Who Came as an imposter. Moreover, while the Primordial One is never seen again, the shades of the Primordial One still exists, meaning that the Primordial One isn't dead is the shades are able to still live. The shades can very well tell to their people the truth behind the invasion. In the end, it seemed that the shades are forced to cooperate with the Second Who Came as we see that the archons are probably all aware of the existence of these shades. Among them, the free-est of the shades is probably Istaroth, the time shade. It could be because of Istaroth's activeness that could lead the Ancient Civilization to it's doom as the Second Who Came didn't wish for these information to be spread out. The Primordial One can be called the Original God and the Creator of Teyvat as in the eyes of humans, the Primordial One is the one who created the man kind. The Primordial One can possibly be Paimon. Before the Traveler's story in profile changed, it was stated that the Sustainer of Heavenly Principles was dying while the Creator that hasn't shown it's face for millenia has yet come. It also states that in someway, the Traveler will probably the one who will ascend to this throne. The Sustainer of Heavenly Principles who is unlikely to die as she doesn't seem to suppose to be affected by erosion, cannot live for too long because the Creator isn't there yet. Since the Traveller cones from another world, it is unlikely that they are the Creator. The profile is also about Paimon since it is about discussions between the Traveler and her. Paimon is also the only one who has the potential of being that Creator.
This quest unironically revealed information we hadn't considered and adds to the intrigue (EDIT AT THE END). On the Abyss and Abyss Order note, consider the following: This is mere coincidence, but note that the Hillichurls are under the Abyss Order's influence in many surface operations. Including attacks. A curious decision as they are sending their own people to their deaths when you can consider they could send the Husks instead as they are stronger. They are also more willing to spend their lives for the sake of their own progress. The Husks on the other hand seem to be more interested in protecting the Hillichurls and even stopping any task the Order will do that affectively harms them. Note that the Abyss Order Mages all have shields and the Heralds and Lectors rely on shields when they are weaker. The Husks on the other hand gain buffs as they strike shields... I feel that the situation between the Abyss Order and the Knights (Husks) may be a mirror to Celestia and the Archons. Only the Archons are slowly being free of Celestia's grasp as they are losing their Gnoses. Also... the Abyss Twin traveling before Khaenri'ah's fall and becoming associated with the nation may explain why the Sustainer stopped us. Consider this, Zhongli practically reveals that he can tell we aren't from Teyvat. We should consider the other Archons can too. Maybe the Sustainer could as well, but stopped us because she recognized the Twin as someone from Khaenri'ah, if not associated. EDIT: I just realised something. For a long time I had a theory that the Traveler was going to Ascend to Godhood at the end of the Story due to the Bio section for them and the fact that there's eight important pieces in Chess yet only seven are being used as Gnoses. We know the Abyss Order seems to want to bind a God for their needs and they want to revert the curse. We also know that the Twins can command the elements or other powers without a bauble... and in Chess there's a thing called "promotion", where when a Pawn reaches the end of the board, they can become another piece of high value like a Knight or Tower, etc. And the end of the Travaile Trailer indicates that the weaves of fate could be ours to weave one day. I wonder... if this is actually the road we are going to take
idt its counted as sending them to their deaths, mainly cause hilichurls being immortal are cursed to bear their fate for eternity. So they'll probably keep coming back till the day they erode for good
@@TheGameRuler It's implied that they literally respawn even after being killed. Dain himself even confirmed that Death isn't the end for them, which implies they don't actually die.
@@Rexhunterj I think that's up to debate. Dainsleif says that the curse denies death but it also doesn't mean they can't really die (his words). And honestly I think they can actually die because if they couldn't then why would he consider each Herald as being different and actively hunt them. Not only that but why would they actively try to flee and preserve their lives if they can't be killed by conventional means or even show some semblance of fear to dieing if that couldn't really die? Or even decide to take up more drastic measures for self preservation? Halfdan's sacrifice is proof that those who die with the curse can actually still die before their "end"... that said I feel that if they couldn't actually die then they wouldn't be so dramatic about trying to stay alive.
Come to think of it, maybe the real reason that Celestia destroyed Khaenriah was because they were the last civilization from the time of the Primordial One. Enkanomiya and the Inverted City have the same architecture and both got destroyed. I might be wrong on this one though
@@shanedoesyoutube8001 celestia was refusing to let the enjanomiya from coming to the surface probably for the same reason. they was keeping one eye close letting those people live under the sea until orobashi came and read the book,
Celestia might be from another world and it's possible that maybe they don't want others to know that, so they destroyed civilizations who knew that.. that's what I think but your theory might be right
One thing you have mistaken is that The traveler's sibling isn't the one who put the Inteyvat (flower) down by the hilichurls. It was Halfdan that put the flower down as a form of memorial to the hilichurls who he swore to protect before they were all cursed. This was clear in the cutscene at the end where we saw some of Halfdan's memories. Though the possibility that the abyss twin can go to Khaenri'ah is probably likely regardless of this misunderstanding you had.
The Abyss Order's HQ is probably stationed in Khaenri'ah. The only way to get there is to create a Time Tunnel (Wormhole) or a Portal. And, apparently there are still survivors of Khaenri'ah in Khaenri'ah.
A thing I noticed, The flower Inteyvat, in the original script (Chinese) is called 因提瓦特, '因' (yin) meaning because/ for/ for the sake of/ reason, and 提瓦特 (ti wa te) meaning Teyvat.
It same but different is the abyss portal are moving while the waypoint are just stand still it's like abyss portal u can teleport what I want instead of teleport to waypoint and walking just to reach that geovishap boss to get ascension for yanfei and also hydro cube I hate those locations I need walk
@@jessiellanes3004 The waypoints and statues are fixed on key points in the leyline network apparently. Also apparnetly the Abyss has its own set of leyline networks which is why the Abyss is able to function so well in Teyvat, but not in the Vishap Realm.
Here's Food for thought: In the Cutscene Narrated by Venti at the start of every Month when you first Open the BP Menu, Venti states that: "the Crowned Heir Lost their Memory and came to rule the Kingdom of Darkness", And that "the other Crowned Heir was sent out from the Kingdom of Light to finish their Mission to Find the Genesis Pearl".... So who said that the Twin that Lost their Memory in the Kingdom of Darkness was the Abyss Twin? In Fact All evidence points to the Contrary, that the Traveler is the one that Lost their Memory... So then, What is the Kingdom of Darkness that Venti Speaks of? And what is the Kingdom of Light? We had all assumed that because the People of Khaenri'ah are now Hilichurls and Members of the ABYSS order, that It must have been the "Kingdom of Darkness"... Yet Halfdan's Spectral outfit is mostly White, and he's a Royal Guard, so it stands to reason that his outfit is the Standard Uniform and Style for Khaenri'ah. And the only reason their colour Scheme is now Black is because of the Curse put upon them by the gods? Doesn't it Seem odd that it would be the Gods that would inflict an entire people with such a DARK Curse?.... Now What if... Khaenri'ah is actually the Kingdom of Light? (Or perhaps Primordial One that this vid Keeps referencing, but that seems less likely) And What if the Twins are actually Khaenri'ahn Royalty? Their Style of Clothing is Much closer to the style of Halfdan and Dainslef than to anyone else we've seen in Teyvat, so it fits. And it would Explain why Lumine wears the National Flower of Khaenri'ah in her hair. Also the Symbol of Khaenri'ah that shows up on all the Heralds, Lectors and Serpent Knights Might actually be just a Variation on the Symbol that Both Travelers have all over their Design, the "Primogem" symbol that Paimon also has. Both Symbols are Symmetrical Stars, The only Difference is if it's 4 or 8 Points(Well 7 for the Abyss Version, since it's Missing it's Top point as it's Kinda Blended into their Collar for style, But on Halfdan all 8 points are Complete, and the 4 Larger ones are almost identical with the angle of their points to the Primogem Symbol used by the travelers and Paimon). the Similarity of the Two Symbols could also mean something along the lines of "Take the simple Symbol of Prymogems, and add some extra Stuff on it to show how Khaenri'ah Built it's Civilization on top of an older Civilization from which they took their base Symbol"... So the twins Might also be Primordial One Royals. Though For now I'm still more tempted to say they're more likely Khaenri'ahn royalty than something older, Despite their Seeming Immortality and Time Travel powers.
On another note: In the Teyvat Trailer Video, the rest of the Nations have a black background when their names are introduced, while Khaenriah has a white background.
What if the first crowned heir was the kingdom of khaenri’ah that seeked the pearl (the meaning of the world) then got punished (cursed) by the gods they turned into the kingdom of darkness and the second crowned heir is the princess/prince sibling
the bp cutscene doesnt change the genders of the heirs mentioned when you pick lumine instead of aether (or aether instead of lumine), so it couldn't be the traveler and the abyss twin the cutscene was talking about
@@khoiphan2990 At the end of the Cutscene Venti explicitly says "This is your Story". Plus Mihoyo has pretty Much always used Aether in promotional material Relating to the Traveler, Utterly Neglecting to show Lumine, and have actually received many complaints about it. This cutscene is no different.
@@kgmotte2363 true but the cut scenes in battle pass dosnt fits be our traveler story even if I assumed it is Aether as a second heir . So till I be proven wrong by the story I dont see them as Aether n Lumine.
In Hydrological Investigation, we learn that the water in the Chasm is dense in Hydro energy. Maybe this abnormal amount of energy associated with healing is what allows the fountain to temporarily lighten the load of the curse.
8:14 I don't agree with the interpretation here, I think Dainsleif said what he said so that Halfdan's soul would be at peace, by implying that the cataclysm did not destroy Khaenri'ah as badly as it did. From the story, I think Dainsleif sees the people of Khaenri'ah and himself as doomed and beyond saving from "mortal" means, because anyone from Khaenri'ah is branded at the level of the fate of the world (whatever that means in the world of Teyvat). Dainsleif does not agree with the Abyss twin's way of saving the people of Khaenri'ah because he knows that it wouldn't work and would only result in their death and suffering, since their physical existence is slowly being replaced by the curse. He also seems to be against the methods used by the Abyss order. However, it does not necessarily means that Dainsleif is not looking for a different way of reviving or saving Khaenri'ah (or what remains of it).
Like you say, I think Dain only said that to allow Halfdan's soul to leave in peace thinking his homeland was alright. In the other hand, Dain gave up hope and he truly thinks the hilichurls have no salvation at all, which is absurd. There must be a way to undo, unless he has a hidden goal to his pursuit of The Abyss. That would make more sense.
@@shaezy19 No, I believe Dain's implication of the Hilichurls being too far gone to be valid. Hilichurls are the end-point of sentience for cursed Khaenri'ahn people, beyond that they erode into a husk that isn't even sentient anymore and barely counts as alive. The Abyss Order's higher ups might all be able to return to being mostly human, sans some parts of them being permanently changed.
About the defaced statues. In Egypt if i am right, when they tryed to erase someone in a fundamental level the name was scrubbed from the hieroglyps and also removed the face from the statues. That way the subject of this will loose their power and significance.
One thing I learned from the recent story quest -Lumine is genuinely the princess or at least the leader of Khaenri'ah at some point before the cataclysm -Hilichurls are truly Khaenri'ah citizens (not abyss creatures) because we know hilichurls, although primal and primative they do have some basic or decent amount of intelligence. -Abyss mages, Lectors, Heralds, rifthounds are all creatures of the abyss meaning they have no relation to Lumine and Khaenri'ah at all. in fact they are probably the root on why Khaenri'ah was bombed to begin with. Also they claim to be citizens of Khaenri'ah but during the purification ritual only the Husk (Khaenri'ah royal guards) and hilichurls (Khaenri'ah citizens) and lastly dainsleifwas the only one who was affected by it. the lector performing the ritual was not affected by it at all. this proves that the abyss order is a third party that enticed and corrupted lumine on going against the heavenly principles of celestia Gnostic Hymn lore is now starting to make sense. Lumine is the princess of a once glorious kingdom who was corrupted by the abyss and now her sibling is continuing the path she had failed to follow.
you making the abyss a third party actually is kinda right and wrong at the same time since the enka 2.5 event, it was confirmed that there are three realms - The Light (Vishap), The Dark (Abyss), and The Human Realm - and Celestia is the one which is alien to Teyvat. You could say that Celestia is the one who is the third party breaking the natural order of Teyvat. Maybe think of the Abyss (dark realm) as the natural enemy of Teyvat, simply wanting to cause chaos in disguise of helping the khaenri'an people (human realm), I mean that's actually a good excuse to fight the gods
you give me more question now.. however the black serpent knights are the royal guard of Khaenriah, they share the same motif of the 'snake' in gnostic.. could it be that Khaenriah actually was infiltrated or something? is the snake an abyss creature that infiltrate Khaenriah and twist the truth about primordial? or perhaps the serpent itself is one of the shade or even the primordial? was Orobaxi also born from the shade? if so, was originally Khaenriah also part of Primordial's civilization.. ? if so, the more reason for Celestia to destroy them .. its Venti the one who narrate it.. could it be that he makes the Khaenriah as antagonist to please Celestia and avoid something? and I want to point out that Dain also said "but in the hidden corner when the gods gaze does not fall, ..." is he talking about Khaenriah... its hidden.. just like Enkanomiya and The civilization in the chasm.. p.s. I struggle to make up my mind writing this comment
I still don't think the Bp cut scene is Aether and Lumine since usually in-game cut scenes are changed according to the mc you picked...It's the same for both Lumine and Aether pickers..
@@thecommenter_ they just did that because the community just can`t accept that Aether is the canon Traveler. I mean is it really hard to accept that the canon protagonist is Aether and not Lumine regardless if the game gives the liberty to choose which of the twin you play? Its like pokemon whether you pick Red or Leaf in the end the canon kanto champion is Red regardless of which gender you choose.
@@patricksusulin9335 bruh .. Lumine was always available to be picked and if hoyovers wanted only one canon traveler they wont add her as a traveler in the first place so dont try to blame the community for that. If you think Aether is a better for traveler rule then that’s simply ur opinion.
I think the gods of celestia casted erosion on all life forms in teyvat, but khaenrians got an extra curse due to their actions defying the gods, so they were forced to be hilichurls, probably. And the four statues might be the ones of the shades of the primordial ones.
...There is a chance that Traveler being 'communicating' with Celestia through the Archon statues to get the elements and the healing, wasn't actually going through Celestia, but maybe somehow the Shades intervened. Like how supposedly Celestia was using the work of Primordial One, the Shades too do the same thing..... and that someone pointed Paimon being one of the Shades, which sits me well.
20:23 Remember while we were entering Raiden's fight with the puppet, Miko said "Remember to focus constantly On your heartfelt wishes When you enter inside. Only if you are strong enough Can I deliver you To the right destination." It all makes sense now
So with the people feeling better at the chasm ruins, I saw another theory talking about what the other phanes are, them being time, space, life and death due to many reasons (go look up the video) but let’s say this chasm ruin is worshipping either the phane of life or death it would make sense immortal people would feel at ease. Life is obvious while death could be seen as their suffering nearing the end.
13:57 Abyss existed before the coming of Primodal One and before creation of Tevyat. Along side of the world of vishaps. The abyss lectors and dainsleif himself doesn't corrode so much because they spend most time in the Abyss. And in abyss 1. Time is slower than in Tevyat 2. The laws of celestia eaither do not work in Abyss or work to less extend.
An observation: Compared to the flowers Halfdan left for the hilichurls, the ones in Lumine's hair seem to still be fresh (regardless of which twin you play as) or at the very least, not stone-like. Not sure if it's actually something to consider or just laziness on Mihoyo's part.
The thing is, the abyss sibling probly met a lot of people, friends and family in khaenriah the same way we do as we progressed with the game, so I emphatize with his vengeful act and stuff,
Other than the events in the past with the twin forming or meeting the Abyss Order. The flower in Lumine's hair makes the timeline a little screwy. Lumine woke up with it, yet she had it in her hair when they met the Unknown God and she remembers fighting her with Aether. That's confusing...maybe it's just a memory that she doesn't remember for some reason?
That's because the scene where they fought the unknown god she and Aether were about to leave Teyvat. When she arrived at Teyvat with Aether she probably didn't have it until (with Traveler Lumine) Aether put it in her hair and (with Abyss Lumine) she woke up before Aether and put it in her hair
She doesn't actually say she doesn't remember, instead only being vague. There is still a lot about the twins that we don't know but that they presumably know.
Taking into account the amount of Greek mythos/architecture referenced in the story and design of enkanomiya, the abyss and the ancient civilisations in Genshin, it's interesting to note that snakes were heavily associated with rebirth and immortality. The constellation "Ophiuchs" (which depicts a man wrapped by a snake) is often associated with the Greek mythical figure of Asclepius, son of the god Apollo, who was capable of bringing people back to life with his healing powers. He learned how to do this after witnessing a snake revive another snake with a healing herb. Asclepius took this herb and revived the son of King Minos of Crete after he'd fallen into a jar of honey and drowned. Another myth involved Asclepius being handed the blood of the Gorgon Medusa by the goddess of Athene. The blood from the veins on her left was poison and on the right was said to be able to revive the dead (or bring back life). However, Asclepius was struck down by Zeus because he was worried that the human race would become immortal with Asclepius around to heal them. I just noticed the parallels between Khanrieh and Celestia with Asclepius and Zeus. Additionally, "the loom of fate operation" could potentially be a reference to 'The Fates' (or Morai) who are a group of three weaving goddesses who align individual destinies to mortals at birth and they operate 'The Loom of Fate' which is the device they use to weave the fate of the mortals. What if, basing off Dainsleif's dialog on the nature of the curse "It is a way of branding us at the level of the fate of the world itself", the curse isn't necessarily from the power of Celestia but from a device stolen/created that they use.
My theory is the traveler was not actually " sleeping" and just become wake up 500 years ago. He was actually dead and lumine use something forbidden to revive traveler. Which lead to the war and the destruction of kheinriah. While the celestial punish kheinriah people to be "curse of immortal" as they help to revive the dead
@@aoizorachi0 qiqi got turn into a zombie??/undead??(i honestly don't know what to call her but she is not a human, at least no longer a human). she cant make new memories, cant remember old memories. the only thing that keeping her functioning is her notebook. which is quite sad honestly. if her notebook somehow got stolen then she wont know anything. she can only function by giving herself the order to do so 1st.
@@aoizorachi0 she was revived, but not fully, as she lost all of her memories and emotions, and if the talisman on her head gets ripped off she will die
Regarding 16:25 Isnt it weird that it's the same symbol from the adventurers' guild? Besides the traveler and the abyss, Katheryne knows too about the function of waypoints. Since she has this keyhole behind her back I wonder if she's made with the same tech, similar to the Albedos and Shoguns Must be like some hidden-in-plain-sight thing all along
Wait, let me get this straight. From another world, the twins reach Khaenri'ah but one of them were asleep. After some major events, the abyss twin woke up the traveler and attempted to escape before the sustainer captured them and returned them back to teyvat, putting both to sleep? So I just need to clarify, did the traveler wake up 500 years after the abyss twin did or did both of them wake up 500 years after the destruction of Khaenri'ah? I mean, if it's the latter, then it would make sense since at the time the traveler visited Mondstadt, it was months after they woke up.
I believe what happened was that the twins came to Teyvat and were able to enter with no issues around 500 years ago. When they realised that a war was beginning in Khaenri'ah they decided they should leave, when the Sustainer prevented their exit and sent them both back to Teyvat. The traveler's sibling awoke immediately or soon after what happened with the sustainer and ended up experiencing and living through the cataclysm (destruction of Khaenri'ah). However, the traveler i.e. us, did not awake until 500 years after the sustainer sent us back to Teyvat and so 500 years after the cataclysm. I don't believe that the traveler woke up twice, one of those times being by their twin as otherwise this would have been stated by the traveler in the very beginning. The twins had already been travelling around the universe for likely hundreds of years, there's no reason as to why they would suddenly fall asleep while entering this world. They would have entered Teyvat fine but weren't able to leave when they wanted to and the Sustainer's interference and her power itself is what made the Traveler sleep so long. Also, I don't believe that just because the abyss sibling is against Dainsleif now, that they were when Khaenri'ah was first destroyed, they easily could have travelled after the cataclysm, and while travelling, the abyss sibling may have learnt something about Dainsleif and decided he was now an enemy to Khaenri'ah, rather than the abyss sibling disliking him immediately after the cataclysm. This makes more sense to me anyway.
When the twins arrived, it seems to be indicated that one woke up before the other. This twin found Khaenri'ah pre-calamity. It's implied that Dainsleif and him were traveling companions during this time as well (which is curious because if this is accurate then he was still captain of the Black Serpent Knights). When the time came and Celestia and Khaenri'ah wer practically fighting, it seems to be around this time the Traveler wakes up. Also around this time that they decide to leave Teyvat. This timeline makes sense because Lumine already had the flowers on her head when they were leaving. This also explains why the Sustainer stopped us: Zhongli practically hints in the first quest with him that he knows we aren't from Teyvat, so we should assume all the Gods know. Meaning the Sustainer had no reason to stop us... unless one of us was recognisable for associating with Khaenri'ah. Also, thinking about it, for the Captain to be traveling around with the Twin during this time. It could mean that the Twin already may have had some noteworthy presence in Khaenri'ah's social structure.
Yeah, I read the replies and I have to agree that part was so confusing. What we learned from the game beginning was simple. We came with our twin because we travel between worlds. We came upon the world that has Teyvat and Khaenri'ah. For a while things were fine and we stayed, then a war waged. Then we wanted to leave, but were stopped by the Unknown God. Presumably because we've seen too much. Then we got trapped, separated, and woke up to find Paimon while the other twin founded Abyss Order in vengeance for the destruction they saw Celestia made. I understand why this video said one twin woke up first, they're trying to say that Lumine has that flower and said "I have traveled through this world once and you shall see its truth soon" as if we haven't, not because we lost memory of Khaenri'ah, we just never saw it until we sensed our Abyss ruler twin's presence at the Stormterror's Lair. That's saying the other twin woke up from the meteorite first and then came to get us when the war started, but it was too late since the twin saw too much and was a threat to be allowed escape. If not for the Inteyvat, the story would've been much simpler, but it's the theme of the game after all.
badly written story is bad the traveller just let's crucial information slip by like it's nothing and continues to hum drum their way into hopefully finding their twin there's plenty of people the traveller already met that they could ask a lot of questions from but just doesn't starting from paimon how many months have they been travelling without discussing their earliest memories bah
@@Dubs22005 What crucial information slipped by? And we don't really know if they didn't already, in those months. In addition the Traveler did reveal in Zhongli's second Archon quest that they simply don't speak much about certain topics. Either because it's too personal or something.
So how about hypostasis? They seemed somehow "eroded" (when you see geo, anemo and electro hypostasis seems damaged at the picture, but the other element is looking fine) is there something to do with the archons?
I think they are related to the primordial era civilization because some designs of the ruins in Enkayomiya and the chasm have similar patterns as the design on the hypostasises. There might also be a connection between the sustainer and the hypostasis since the cube motif, so maybe the unknown god is 1 of the 4 shades or the primordial one. Or maybe the one god who took over is from the same place as the 1st hence same origin for designs
“It” is probably everything or anything relating to leylines Keeping one of its branches, i’m assuming it could keep your memories and yourself for you. The bigger the branch, the more it might have space for you. And if Hydro is associated with healing, and can even suppress a curse like Dain’s or the hilichurls, maybe the Hydro Archon isn’t being eroded. Likely the water suppressing the curse might have powers from the 4 shades or has something with leylines in it Also, where do we draw the line of K’haenriah people and The Abyss? Those Black Serpent enemies are said to be guards of K’haenriah, yet they’re now from the Abyss as said in the archive apparently. Could all K’haenriah people be from the Abyss, but not all from the Abyss could be from K’haenriah?
I think that last bit you said is probably correct. I imagine after the fall of khaenriah they were branded as "fallen" and became a part of the abyss. Because the abyss existed even before the fall of Khaenriah as a place where all the things that teyvat's world order rejects go. Since The Abyss has been there longer I imagine there are things in it that were there first. They probably joined hands with the left over sentient people of Khaenriah as a deal kind of thing. We help you with your goal and we ultimately achieve ours kind of thing.
idk, i think there are differences with the hydro from the primordial one's ancient civilization and the hydro that we know of currently (waters of teyvat, hydro vision holders and the hydro archon) based on the description of the hydro hyposthasis: ''the waves conjured by the Hydro Hypostasis are incompatible with the currents that flow above and below ground. Even if it were to flow into the surpassingly pure waters of Petrichor, this drop of water will likely resist assimilation as strongly as mercury.'' but i have to wait for fontaine to see if this really apply (sorry if my english sounds weird it's not my 1st language😅)
I think “it” is hope. It’s why that Abyss Mage that controlled Dvalin had a brain enough to be convincing. People can also negotiate with Abyss Mages, so the hope they get is brought through the branches they carry of memories of prospering Khaenri’ah.
I just noticed something. It's not the exact words but Dain said "The structure strongly resembles Khaenri'ah's... If it's the other way up." This is important. It tells us Khaenri'ah was never an inverted nation. It was just like Teyvat. Unless Teyvat is the inverted one, and the Primordial One civilization is the one that is actually upright as in facing North, the Khaenri'ah is also upside down like Teyvat.
perhaps, the god in question, is the traveller and the twin. We do have confirmed healing/purifying powers, as we purified the dvalin crystals and xiao feels better from his karmic debt when he is with us. so when we get all elements powers, our own powers will be capable of purifying the curse.
I have a feeling that the Traveller will actually be the god Khaenriah wishes to create due to their healing methods,also cuz they are benevolent and tend to help others aside from the fact that they are on a journey to finding their sibling
16:37 if Khaenri'ah was a part of Abyss realm (it is said that Khaenri'ah was an underground realm), there's possibly another nation than Khaenri'ah that the denizens were not human in the first place.
The reason the traveller twin doesn’t and the abyss twin may have separate thoughts it may be due to the splitting and convergence of 2timelines.the traveller twin has lost his memories during the splitting of timelines when they were stopped by the unknown god
@@khoiphan2990 that is agreeable since dainslieff did talk about the fact that they have different goals then before although they still are similar in how they react
if the abyss sibling is indeed cursed cause they were there living in Khaenri'ah when it was cursed then the ending is gonna be tragic.... its already getting dark with each new main patch.
This archon quest made me even more worried that the ending might change depending on which traveller we choose. Because mine is Lumine. Its giving me a lot of misunderstandings since I'm lore geek of Genshin and the dialogs are different depending on the twins. And since you mentioned that the twins may have a different approach and opinions about things, maybe thats one of the reason why the abyssal twin didn't take the traveller twin with them. Speaking of the Twins, when I was looking on the achievements under the Enkanomiya, I saw the name of 3 gods. One of them is Kairos, which we already know and is mentioned to be one of the four shades. The other 2 gods mentioned in the achivements was siblings (not mentioned as twins) which are Hesperus and Phosphoros. This 2 are also greek gods just like Kairos. Hesperus is also known as the "Evening Star" while Phosphoros as the "Morning Star". This made my theory even more stronger that the twins are actually gods. Since people see the twins as the representations of Sun & Moon, Morning & Night, Light & Dark. Something like that. But theres also a possibility that this 2 gods mentioned are 2 of the four shades or a possibility that the twins are children of some powerful god.
I'm beginning to enjoy more about the lore in the world of Genshin Impact , thanks to CatWithBlueHat . I'm even more excited for more lore information from upcoming Archon Quest 😄😄😄
Imagin if one of the final bosses you’ll have to beat is the twin sibling. After finishing your journey and meeting your sibling. You’re ideals still conflicting with one another. In order to stop them from risking their life, you’ll have to defeat them in battle. This might also shed some light on what the original power of the twins are. (No pun intended)
Imagining the abyss twin in despair calling out to the previously "sleep" traveler when Khaenri'ah was destroyed is enough to flood my eyes 😢 But alas, the traveler woke up 500 years too late
I just wanted to say that by the Clensing pool in the upside-down city the statues are same statues are found in Enkanomiya around the Dainichi Mikoshi
I don't think it's possible for Dainsleif and Twin to have traveled before Khaenri'ah's destruction. Dainsleif takes his Black Serpent Knight duties very seriously, and would have been required to stay with the royal family. It's possible that after Khaenri'ah was destroyed, Twin and Dainsleif met, and they traveled for a time, during which time Twin was convinced to join the Abyss Order as their new "royal line."
I think Dain and Kaeya definitely have something to do with the end of genshin, because it will be about Khaneri’ah. Kaeya is canonically from there, and when the quest starts Paimon says that he might be related to Kaeya because he has an eyepatch, and the traveler says they couldn’t be. But Paimon doesn’t say anything when we meet people like Beidou or Fischl
@16:26 If you look closely on Aether's Clothing you can see a similar symbol/crest on his chest that which can be also found on Abyss Lectors, Heralds and Husks
what if the twins are actually from Khaenri'ah, but the twin you chose had their memories altered, we know that God of Moments has the power to alter moments in time and then te time just fixes itself, just like with sacred sacura. Maybe it is a stretch but what if the other twin said 'we've always had enough time' because they actually are from this world. would be even funnier if the twins turned out to be one of past gods or dietys or people from before the archons
im watching your vids as they are very good and its wild how much stuff was foreshadowed in chasm questline which is kinda current now thank you for making these also ive finished tsurumi isle this week and thanks for using its musc here its very nice
Well if you think about it. There was an event at the Chasm 500 years ago that endangered Liyue, similar to Durin attacking Mondstadt or Inazuma's darkness. Most likely that each nation has a disaster to which happened 500 years ago and the main cause might be from Khanr'iah.
I always look forward to your lore videos like Klementime's. Well done. I hope you stick to this story and help us all make sense of this wonderful game!
My theory about the Hydro Archon is that she is under careful watch by Celestia. Based on her descriptions in the gemstone and in the Teyvat storyline video, she has a proud personality. Being a god of justice, she is confident that her form of justice or law is correct. She even stated her people can judge ger as she is clean. She also has this line that she sees the other archons as lesser than her (or something like that). Yet, she has her restrains as she is also under the the rules of Celestia. Fontaine being somewhat like an industrially advanced nation, she will not make any attempts to displease the current gods above with progress. Progress that caused other nations to fall. Also, in some depictions of maps of Teyvat, plus the location of the floating land above and other ingame details, it appears Celestia is floating just above or near Fontaine. That would pressure her.
I have an answer to your question at 16:14-16:43. The reason why the abyss heralds and lectors are not suffering from the light is because you literally said that they belong from the Abyss Order. Maybe the members of the Abyss Order has some sort of protection from this light thus they’re not suffering. Meanwhile those who don’t belong to the Abyss Order like the hilichurls, husks, and Dainsleif are suffering because even though they’re denizens of the Abyss and from Kaenri’ah, they’re not part of the Abyss Order. 👀 Even Genshin wiki confirms that the only known members of the Abyss Order are the mages, heralds, and lectors. 😉
I'm thinking the similar thing. The effect is engineered so that they wont target themselves, thus only Dainsleif, Hilichurl, and the Husks. But it makes me wonder if they will eventually cast it on themselves once it's proven successful
I find it funny how the abyss twin just tried to ditch their “homeland” as soon as it was getting destroyed 😭 Like “yo, time to go to the next world, heehee 🤭 After keeping my sista in a coma for a few centuries, ima wake her up and split 😜”
I want to draw attention to two things. Firstly, the pattern on Aether's chest is very similar to the pattern of the Khaenri'ahs (the twins' clothes do not have to be from their home world. So, for example, there is a flower from Khaenri'ah in Lumine's clothes, and this pattern is in Aether's clothes), and secondly, only those who were under the curse (hilichurls, Dainsleif, husks) suffered in the chasm, but not the abyss readers, maybe because they were already able to get rid of (or greatly weaken) the curse, and not because they're not from Khaenri'ah And no, abyss twin does not considers Khaenri'ah as homeland. Twins are from another world, which was destroyed, so they tried to rebuild IT in Teyvat
As usual, Hoyoverse still giving us MORE questions than Answers. By the way Cat! Love these Videos of yours! These give me deeper meaning to the story and the hidden information within them.
I pictured in my head a future cutscene where traveler Lumine steps inside Kahenri'ah and her flowers soften, she picks them from her hair and they instantly dissolve in her very hands.
When talking about the race, that much more ancient than Khaenriah, Celestia and probably Abyss, i can only think of Seelie. And probably they are related to Primordial One
Out of topic, but have y'all ever noticed the symbols behind the Irminsul trees in domains? The five circles above it specifically. The middle one probably represents Phanes and the other four are the Shades
I hope that the next quest the abyss twin will actively intervene So far the traveller (and Dain) mushed the abyss twins plans 3 times 1. Corruption of Dvalin (which is kinda understandable that abyss twin didn't get mad since she was relieved that her twin is still good and alive) 2. Inverted Statue, yeah abyss twin appeared, but only to save the hydro herald. Probably abyss twin was suprised that traveller is with Dain, and maybe she couldn't take the two on? Or have an hesitation to fight her brother so she just retreated. Whatever happened to the inverted statue anyways? We just left it there after the emotional damage we suffered. Didn't even bother to destroy or report it to Adventurers guild, or.. Zhongli.. or some higher authority. Maybe abyss twin will revisit that inverted statue once they got hold of the field tiller core that Dain possesses. 3. The cleansing event. Now..this should get in the nerves of the abyssal twin right? Like there are pests who keeps ruining her plans, especially since she is emotionally attached to it. That's annoying honestly. Either she herself will do somethin or be manipulated by the order to do something. Next archon quest, the abyssal twin and traveller should fight for real. It would make no sense not to because if I was the abyssal twin, I would eliminate those who stand in my way, be it my twin or Dain.
For those who are having a hard time to understand about "erosion", so for lands and ores its a easy explanation. For living beings, erosion is something getting closer it its expiry date. Like, when a person starts to get old, slowly his back bends, his legs and arms starts to lose power, bad eye sight, weak digestive system, and many other such things. His body starts to lose it's power. like how machines start to work slower and all. think of it like that. and slowly that body will stop to finction and the person dies. But if the person still doesn't dies after the body doesn't functions its starts breaking inside(like how rusting works). It is still functional but like a rusted machine. and slowly that rusted machine will start decomposing. So that's how this "erosion" works. I tried my best to explain with examples. If you still can't understand, I'm sorry. the more the story goes the more it is making sense that Aether is the protagonist and Lumine is the abyss queen. the flower placed by lumine from her hair shows a emotional connection she has with khaenri'ah. Lumine clearly has more story in Khaenria'ah. Just why would someone lese carry they flower for 500 years that to a abyss creature who are devoid of sympathy and such fellings. They obey order and have a mindset of revenge and destruction. And mark my words Lumine is probably the reason why Celestia destroyed Khaenri'ah otherwise why would she alone is trying to "revive" khaenri'ah. she could have explained aether about ecerything and Aether would have believed him. But she wants to fight alone to make up for something or as if she has a responsibility to do so.
All your theory give me goosebumps in anticipation for future events. Not only that, your video is so well presented with beautiful bgm and cutscenes. New subscriber here!
these are great! very detailed and well made. would love another in depth look on khaenri'ah and why they share same pupils tho kaeya's differs. are kaeya's pupils indicative of being half khaenri'ahn only and thus saving him from the curse of his people?
this quest was probably my favorite, the amount of info i got was so much and i loved it all, when ever my mystery boy dain shows up i never skip dialonge
i remember an old theory about the sustainer’s cube things absorbing the souls of people which is why khaneriah was covered in the blocks. the nail in chasm has her same blocks but a light blue color. in the traveler archon quest, halfdan’s soul escaped in an energy that matched the color of those blocks. could it be that the cubes really do absorb the soul? if that’s true, it would explain why theres cubes around the nail. it could be the hilichurls’s souls, which makes sense because the reason why they are all headed towards the chasm is because they were attracted to the nail (i think). further expanding on this, does that mean that the constellations that we also see floating around the nail alongside the cubes are the CONSTELLATIONS of the souls? big brain 🧠
The portal network could be teleport waypoints as only the traveller can use them and they are the only functioning way to travel around teyvat in the blink of an eye. The portable waypoint description even hints to teleport waypoints utilizing power of abyss.
As what you said about Khaenri’ah added in the futuro I think the trailer about the seven nations kinda confirms that because it says “in the hidden corners where the gods gaze does not fall, there are those who dream of dreaming”, which makes me think that where the seven archons nations is not where Khaenri’ah is, I used to think that Mondstadt could be Khaenri’ah but now it makes me think that it might be in a corner, and Khaenri’ah wasn’t destroyed 100%, it maybe could be just like ruins because dain said that it could be similar to Khaenri’ah if that was not upside down, and when it’s talking about “those who dream of dreaming” could be a reference to the abyss order or remaining people of Khaenri’ah hoping for it to be a dream and a lie, I don’t know about the Journey that the abyss twin and dain were in but it obviously wasn’t the same thing for the traveler, like to discover why Khaenri’ah was destroyed and that stuff but it is similar in “Discovering the true nature of this world”, Khaenri’ah for some reason feels like the center of the world, not because it was the most important (because I think they were all equally important) but because it just didn’t affected Khaenri’ah but also all the remaining nations, also it played important roles that now affect the actual journey Because the Tsaritsa is collecting the gnosis not because they can make her more powerful but because they are the key to Celestia, also it stops the archons from being controlled to attack her when she attacks the heavenly principles in the future, she is not bad but she has the irony, she is the god of love but she doesn’t love her own people because she got so affected when the God of Wisdom died 500 years ago, is kinda similar to what happened to Ei I suppose My English is not that perfect, I’m sorry if I said something bad or incorrect
I thought i might share something since i haven't seen anyone post about it. After the archon quest in the chasm when you return later to the nameless ruins you can find that the hilichurls have passed one and only their masks remained so i decided to collect the remains i could find but when i returned to hilichurl camp where inteyvat is i discovered that when you investigate a certain spot you don't get a mask but rather a mysterious clicking noise. I don't what that is about maybe its a secret puzzle or its interactable until you find all of the passed On hilichurls masks Who knows
Fascinating video; clear, understandable, and coherent. Thank you so much for your effort to bring us this awesome content!! By the way, i know it is out of the question, but, do you when would Raiden Shogun's banner be back; i have missed all of her banners so far, and i am really sad about it.😔
I love that everyone thinks "Oh, Abyss twin was just someone who showed up in Khaenri'ah, not anyone native there" and then there's my friend group that's just: "Hey, how was Khaenri'ah built?" "Twin got a gnosis and land, built a nation, and got power hungry." "Okay thanks, gonna go write another AU now." "Alright, have fun, kill off Tartaglia at some point." "Will do!"
I dont know if someone has notice this already, but the cutscene style before the battle pass its pretty much similar to an old anime called “Utena: the revolutionary girl”, and curiously this anime also speaks of an illusionary upside down castle that appears from the sky where all dreams can come true. Maybe they could have use this as a reference. just a thought :)
08:09 when we first meet dainsleif in mondstat, he will ask mc some questions, if you choose a "good" answer, then dain will say "you look a lot like her/him" i don't know if dain is talking about the other sibling, but
I think the Celestia of old isn't the same Celestia as nowadays, or might even be a creation of the Second Throne after the primordial one got defeated. It would explain why the ruins, and the pool of water, have this soothing effect on the people affected by the curse, since they're from a time before Celestia (as stated in the video), a time when the primordial one was reigning over a unified civilization. If the primordial one was still in charge and ruling over Teyvat and Celestia, it would make no sense for the ruins to be disconnected from Celestia and have this effect on the curse. This means that the primordial one was a loving God (as shown by one of his shades, the God of Time, in Enkanomya), whereas the new Celestia, ruled by the Second Who Came, eons ago, got rid of the primordial one and despises humanity, wanting to control everyone by using Archons and visions as a means to control the elements. It also makes sense that such a hateful God would start a war, spreading calamity and destruction all over the world, to determine who'd inherit the privilege to control an element. I don't see the primordial one doing something like this. The elements may have existed during the primordial one's rule as well, but were used by humanity as a whole to advance the species, not by a few select gods and vision bearers. Remember that visions are actually used by Celestia to spy on certain humans with great ambitions, with the ones showing too much potential being invited up to Celestia and taken away to jail (one preview of Celesita looks like a panopticon, a special type of jail). The abyss might actually be the kingdom of light like I saw mentioned somewhere else, aka. the remnants of the primordial one's power, with Celesita being the kingdom of the false "demonic ruler" that killed the primordial one and turned Teyvat upside down (you actually travel upwards while in the Abyss spire). Now, what did Kaenri'ah do to justify its destruction by Celestia? Maybe they got too close to the truth of what happened between the Second Who Came and the primordial one, delving into forbidden Abyssal knowledge and thus making Celestia angry, the Second Who Came maybe being afraid of being overthrown. After all, orobashi had to die because he learned the truth in Enkanomya. This also makes sense knowing the Abyssal Order's plan to overthrow Celestia using an artifical God. The abyssal twin woke up first, traveled around in Teyvat before settling in Kaenri'ah, where he/she learned the truth about this world. Celestia launches an attack, the twins try to flee, are stopped by the unknown God because one of the twins has forbidden knowledge, and the rest is history. I do think the Abyssal twin had their journey with Dain before the cataclysm as well, with them discovering the truth at the end of it. The traveller will eventually discover it as well at the end of his own journey. I don't think the Abyssal order will remain our enemies at the end of the game, they can't, since it's common knowledge that the fall of Celestia is the ultimate goal of the game, which incidentally, is also the Abyssal Order's goal. And since the Fatui, under the cryo Archon's rule, are also trying to rebel against Celestia, I don't think they'll be our enemies towards the end of the game either. Regarding what happened in Inazuma and the whole timeline/time travel shenanigans, I think Celestia overdid it when they punished Kaenri'ah for getting too close to the truth, releasing monsters everywhere on the world. Remember that not everyone in the abyss is evil, since it may be the kingdom of light, as shown by Childe's mentor, which means that the monsters which attacked Inazuma might be a creation from Celestia. This lead to them having to correct their mistake with time travel and timeline change with the help of the previous electro Archon.
A small correction: The Inteyvat flower was most likely placed by Halfdan(as seen in his cutscene) and not the abyss sibling. So Halfdan may have been carrying it for 500 years with him instead of "the abyss sibling visiting Khaenri'ah" scenario that I mentioned.
could it be that the same flower is from Teyvat Travail trailer known as the "Sea of Flowers"
8:13 i disagree with your theory.
halfdan dies after being hit by the yellow light, BUT his soul went back to his original human form, he also remembers dains and khaenriah, meaning he is PURIFIED of his curse and erosion, his memory returns.
meaning the yellow light actually remove the curse and erosion, returning one's soul to its original form.
what if this is what lumine true purpose? not returning them physically like we initially thought.
or maybe she do want to return them physically, but she needs to know if she can return their soul/memory first, and this is the device for. after all a body without it's soul and memory is an empty shell.
another weird thing is the words "revival of homeland", not restoration or rebuilding. normally you would say "rebuilding of homeland" but mihoyo decided to pick the word revival. to me revival means to return to the exact same state as before with no difference.
@@someoneinasia how can you revive a nation when there are no people, instead a bunch of spirit flying around like Tsurumi island?
11:31 dain mentioned in the quest that they travelled together AFTER the destruction of khaenriah but they did not meet the journey's end together..
@@someoneinasia remember paimon said "' undoing the cursed will cause your life"" and Quang have a good point
Dainsleif be carrying the entire Game progression with just one archon quest 💀
>> Drops lore bomb
>> Refuse to elaborate
>> Leave
Chadsleif
I’ve noticed a pattern that Dain’s quests only come once a year,during the earlier months.This means we oughta see him after Sumeru and a new area from that region arrives which is farrrr away I’m actually excited for it cuz it’ll be where Lisa had discovered some forbidden book/knowledge about Celestia and I’m curious to know what this book contains that made Orobashi die and the latter to be cursed with something similar to erosion
@@Justacuriouslady tbh two instances don't make a pattern. His second quest being connected to the Chasm means it couldn't have been released earlier, but it's not guaranteed he'll always be met in the newest region I guess.
@@lyswenn well there can’t be another reason for him to arrive after we’ve finished Inazuma,there might even be a chance for him to arrive straight after finishing Sumeru and investigating a new area
Bruu if only he is helping
Imagine in the future. A cutscene, where we see everything unfold. The rise of khanreiah, the archons being ordered to attack it and the night of the calamity. bro the lore is too good.
And the wifi so bad I can’t even see what’s happening! Oh ya! It’s gonna be so epic
5-6 years right i can wait
@@aethernity8270 nah with sumeru coming this year, it should be rather 4 years
I don't think the archons were forced to attack, how did Ei's sister Makoto die then? I don't think they had the power to take on seven archons. I think they went to khaneri'ah to protect the people and stop the sustainer from cursing them, but failed. I don't know how else Makoto would have died.
@@favoinousscum3718 I think Archons themselves is the one who destroyed it , that must be the reason Dainsleff hate them .
I'm starting to think Erosion is not a natural Phenomena in Teyvat now but likely a curse upon all long lived beings be Celestia.
Likely to control and keep them from getting powerful enough to overthrow them as they succumb to Dementia.
This...might explain Ei's actions. She had already cut ties to Celestia and through the Puppet, was attempting to Free Herself from the Curse of Erosion.
Zhongli literally said during his story quest that erosion is imposed on him by the heavenly principles, so what you're saying isn't news and has already been confirmed in game. Same thing goes with Ei...
@@george22234 Yeah, but we thought of it as a natural order like getting old. Not a Literal curse to keep them controlled.
Which is probably why Zhongli in his first story quest wanted the traveller to be the "witness"; to record all the events of Teyvat down to the detail and without falsehoods, because the traveller and their abyss twin likely do not suffer "erosion" as compared to writing it down on immovable rocks or himself who would succumb to it.
@@silverhawkscape2677 natural order, heavenly principles, divinity... That's what we get cause hoyoverse uses google translate and cant stick to a single title
@@george22234 I think there's also confusion because his dialogue on it seems to have been changed. I'm not sure which was first and which is currently being used: "Perhaps this is the erosion imposed on me [by the natural order of this world/by the heavenly principles]" which may lead to others thinking it's a natural phenomenon. Here's a copy I've found of him just saying natural order and not heavenly principles, just skip to 1:12:51: ruclips.net/video/JDuhyLzLljk/видео.html
Let us give a moment of silence for Halfdan. Thank you for your loyal service.
Shinzo wo Sasageyo
Amongst all the other comments, urs was the best
RIP
Fantastic analysis, as always. 16:12 I believe the reason the Abyss Herald wasn't affected was because he wasn't actually from Khaenri'ah. The Abyss Order recruits outsiders from time to time. We see this with the Black Knight Roland (see Black Sword and Bloodstained Artifacts), and I doubt Enjou is from Khaenri'ah himself. Heck, they even made the Abyss Twin queen despite not being a citizen.
damnn you have a point
I think most Khaenri'ah people have Germanic origin names. While Enjou sounds like Japanese. He might not be from the Khaenri'ah.
@@crimsonyui230 probably that's just his alias or codename since he investigated Enkanomiya influenced by Inazuma language.
well the appeared name was "the thing called itself Enjou" so its obvious that Enjou is not the real name..
@@crimsonyui230 so is our sister german too?
I bet those structures aren’t upside down. Teyvat is the one that’s upside down. Whatever happened in the past flipped the world and now the false sky rules it all - Celestia.
true. they ancient as fk, means they are the one who's in the right position.
@@yuh6840 fr
Tyvat is placed in the Inner side of a sphere. The sky is the center of the sphere, with all conestaltions, virtual gravity, and fake stuff.
It also fit how it's said PO created human realm, and fit it between light realm and abyss realm.
And since the planet is hollow from inside (the fake sky), it mean it doesn't have concentrated mass in it's center to be rotating around itself. So the planet doesn't have day and night cycles. Meaning it either have one half facing the real sun (light realm) and one half is utterly dark (abyss). Or there's no real sun, and only have the elements in light realm firming "light". Either scenarios have half if the planet dark, which is the Abyss.
Now they say Enkanomyia lies in the middle of the three realms, which is reasonable as well. It fell from the fake sky under the sea. So it actually went one layer outside the inner human world. But it still didn't get to the most outer layer (light realm and abyss real), so it's between all three.
@Harry Shade enkanomiya fell into the dark sea
@@gummyfactory good point, they could've ended whichever way up since apparently gravity's haphazard down there. And who's to say we're still facing the same way up after we teleport into that different map?
It's funny to think how Dain can narrate character collected miscellany because he dug up those leylines
PFFFFFT
Well, let's remember that Venti said in his introduction that he and the Traveler had once met and traveled together... It's just that the Traveler doesn't remember 😊
Maybe that's how Lumine got the flower. Tho, I wonder on the side of Aether, what accessory he has that is in connection to Kahenri'ah
edit: which reminds me the theory about Traveler sleeping the entire time is a bit skeptical because of what Venti said. Maybe Traveler's memories got manipulated after Sustainer captured them... or maybe its a situation similar to Ei planting the Sakura tree, who knows.
update: sorry for taking so long 😅 but apparently there isn't anything on Aether that is from Khaenri'ah. Well, he hasn't mentioned anything of Khaenri'ah item on him, only that he recognized the flower on the ground as something the Abyss Princess wore on her hair.
it somehow implies that the Abyss Prince is more caring about his Twin Sister since he left something for her... If he really was the one who put it on her 🤔
Maybe his earring?
His earring has been considered just as important to his character as lumines flower is to her from official arts and stuff.
Maybe his earring is also connected to khaenri'ah considering their clothing is all star related which is a common motif with khaenri'ah and could symbolise smt
Maybe, I'll find out once I get there since I'm using Aether 😆
Venti had said it??? I forgot..m
@@fathaja179 you can check out Venti's "Hello". it's the very 1st line in the voice-overs 🤣🤣🤣
Actually I didn't think anything of it either, until someone pointed it out too.
I appreciated how Cat used both Twins (as traveler and abyss prince/princess). Makes you happy with whatever twin you picked cus of the difference in perspective, and no 'canon this canon that' argument for either of them. we are all here for the story. Thank you again for your hard work Cat, keep it up! 🎈
update:
okay I didn't know my comment blew up lmao
thankyou everyone for the votes hahaha
made my day
stop arguing and hurting each other with words over which sibling is canon, mihoyo ain't paying anyone to be keyboard heroes for their court hahahah
it's been confirmed that both travelers are canon so ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
still , seeing the lore behind the Inteyvat flower i'm inclined to believe that the story really favors Aether as the traveler. for Lumine, you reeeeally gotta come up with a good and plausible explanation for the design choice and what not. but for Aether, the story and lore kinda lines up nicely.
@@soumikdragoon3304 thats true
@@soumikdragoon3304 ngl tho
that’s the fun part
coming up with theories that can fit if lumine is the traveler while aether is the abyss prince
@@churroftt i mean the story kinda implying the opposite of what you're theorizing. isn't theorizing "uncertain" aspects more fun than already heavily implied content? just saying...
I REALLY don’t want to believe it but: people are saying that the Inteyvat flower is a foreshadowing of one of the twins (specifically abyss sibling since Mihorny uses Lumine as their abyss sibling) dying in the Khenri’ah chapter.
“Take the Inteyvat outside for it to bloom, (our journey) but once the flower returns to their homeland, it turns to dust. (death in Khenri’ah).” Hope it’s not true and I’m just worried :,)
It could be, the game might get progressively darker, especially with new death flags popping up
holy shit. thats- bruh this brings chills to me.
I've been theorizing that the abyss twin dies at the end of the game from the Teyvat Chapter Storyline Preview: Travail, where at the end, there is only one twin when Dain is talking about saving "her", and the music is also sad. And it might just be me but Aether looked sad/defeated.
If you don't know what I'm talking about this is the section I'm referring to! ruclips.net/video/TAlKhARUcoY/видео.html
@@rosevonhagen also he's in a field of what we now know as inteyvat flowers.
Well Dainsleif sentence is not finished yet, he also said that after defeat him we will have the power to re-weave the thread, meaning we will have the power to rewind time space and everything in order to save anyone, including our twin sibling.
The power in The Chasm doesn't actually suppress their curse of immortality, but instead it drains the life forces of people in Teyvat, which explains why they have a strong desire to stay in The Chasm, not because it's suppressing their curse, but making them finally die (which is making them feel a great relief from living for hundreds of years). That probably explains why Traveler is able to go inside without harm as well since Traveler isn't from this world.
Hmm.. Then why does Paimon not feel anything either?
@@0tickpulse173 we never knew paimon is teyvat beings or not...
Probably paimon is some kind of sleeper agent that's also not part of Teyvat. But it's just a theory. A game theory!
@@RosariaDewi some theories speculates that Paimon IS the Sustainer, knowingly or unknowingly (I mean, the hints are very obvious and I personally don't believe in a plot twist that cheap, but still there are), this could explain why she doesn't feel anything either.
@@NekoHibaCosplay the other theories say that Paimon may be one of primordial shards (maybe even Istaroth but not necesseraly), that would also explain why she doesn't feel anything strange.
I'm surprised you didn't include the information that Dainsleif has a bigger goal than stopping whatever the Abyss Order is planning
Which is?
stopping celestia I think idk
we dont talk about this enough. This is probably why the traveler doesnt completely trust dain
Also remember how paimon told Zhiquiong that there should be someone left to maintain the records? And how the God to Time was the only shade of the Primordial One who answered Enakomiya's call for help ? Maybe the God of Time did it to maintain the records ( Before Sun and Moon) as well
um.. which quest was it? the Paimon told Zhiqiong..?
@@FahrizalSurya the quest u need to do to get to the archon quest
Ngl, this Quest alone feels so short when you've already opened all the teleport waypoint of Chasm.
But this quest made me cry a lot...like, a lot
Also, the reason why I think the Hydro Archon doesn't want to make an enemy of the Devine a.k.a Celestia, is either because:
1. People with strong sense of justice tend to act more reasonable than people with strong sense of love. This is why it's the Cryo Archon that plans a struggle against Celestia, rather than the Hydro Archon. But who knows, that the Hydro Archon herself might planning something against Celestia in the shadow?
2. She has the same sense of justice as Celestia
You still take most of the time doing the chain quest The Chasm Delvers to open the map and explore the old civilization
If hydro archon against celestia.. maybe she will end up like orobashi..
Not to mention that if we view celestia in game, it's directly above fontaine...
Celestia is right above Fontaine, so I wonder how they get away with technology like Kameras knowing what happened with other advanced civilizations… theres the possibility of a secret agreement being in place.
The second one hurts me somehow
Notice how Dain always helps us on our original quest on finding out more about what happened to our sibling, unlike the archons so far who literally asked us to fight dragons, giant lizards and the archon themselves and still told us nothing to us😭
Nahida is the only one that told us about our siblings 😭
It sounds like the archons that do know something are just trying to avoid Celestia's gaze since anyone who openly talks about them dies. Kinda like how reading Sun & Moon means Celestia is going to 100% end you.
Lumine doesn't say that she doesn't remember, only that she had it when she "woke up." This wake up could very well just be after the 500 year nap and shortly before the game starts, but that would be the most boring explanation.
While prior to this point, the twins have been completely interchangeable barring maybe slight differences in tone and expression, this quest probably has the biggest difference so far in the story between playing as Aether or Lumine, and it's the freaking flower in Lumine's hair! Aether has no equivalent on his design, but that flower still somehow ended up being plot relevant, so the two twins had to have very different things to say about it, leading to Lumine adding a little more detail that could call the backstory into question.
aether says its the same flower that my sister wears, while lumine says that its the same flower that i wear. thats the only difference in dialogue between the two, though i think its a significant one. i personally think the story was originally designed with lumine being the abyss twin, which is backed by all of the promotional media since launch, but it'll be interesting to see how they progress the story while keeping both twins in mind
If you look closely, Aether's earring has that Inteyvat petals
@@_mako actually that would be really interesting.
The fact that the ruins are actually made during Primordial one’s time makes me curious by what other civilisation lived during their time,maybe it’s the Seelie race considering the game mentions how it was an ancient race that existed long ago.I also realised one commonality between Tsurumi,Enkonomiya and the Seelies,each of them have ghosts/shadows that exist without a clear identification.This might be because they lack someone who can remember them which makes them look more ghastly then humanly or/and they might have suffered from erosion at some point.When it came to some quests like Ei’s Story Quest,the ghosts had identities that made them look like how they were during that time which means Celestia may have connected the dots of which civilisations didn’t worship the Seven Archons and decided to lay a curse on each of them to suffer from erosion so that no one would remember who they were.The only ones who didn’t suffer from erosion are Orobashi and Lisa because they’re still remembered by others.However Lisa is still living which means she might be eroding slower.
Also another interesting case is that Celestia doesn’t know how to fully control the 7 elements,during the Archon Quest Dain mentioned how the Abyss Order is doing something with the Natural Order.The Traveller can use all Seven elements without a vision which might indicate that they share some similar technology to the Primordial One or Khaenriah.I have a feeling that they’ll be the new god of the nation and will dethrone Celestia because they’re able to control all the elements and that Dain mentions in the Teyvat trailer that they will soon get a throne when they’ve finished their journey in teyvat.
Lastly I’ve realised that during Enkonomiya and The Chasm’s quest,there were no vision bearers who investigated the ancient ruins.Only the Traveller can enter them as if it was meant for them to come in the first place,unless they can be investigated because the ruins lack the book of forbidden knowledge(the one Orobashi and Lisa read).A vision is like an eye from Celestia to see how humans live,so if anyone with a vision were to find out about Khaenriah and other civilisations they’d suffer from the wrath of the gods.Even during Enkonomiya,one shade said that the Traveller should never speak about the trials to anyone,this indicates that it’s for protection purposes and avoiding Celestia from shushing anyone who contains any knowledge connected the ancients
AT THIS POINT, Celestia is just a bunch of cnts who colonize teyvat.. They put the God of heavenly principles there to stop the traveller, because anything that happens on teyvat, stays on teyvat....
Alternatively, Celestia considers visionless people to be unambitious enough to not be a threat. A kind of people who after getting forbidden knowledge would take it to their grave.
wait why is lisa cursed
nvm, jsut read that she somehow read the same book orobashi did
but yelan was there at the end
possibly longer than us since she was following the fatuii
I don't think the Seelies are there before the Primordial One came. The Primordial One is named this way because it was known as the first to come to Teyvat. It was said that before them, before humans existed in Teyvat, only dragons can be found. The Primordial One, after having defeated the dragons, have created one unified civilisation. If this civilisation was as old as the one found in the Chasm, which coincidentally contains the same structures as Enkonomiya, then it meant that the Archon system has yet existed. It would then be odd for them to curse the civilisation they created in their own hands. If there were any changes, it only happened when for the first time, Celestia at the time was encountering an invasion. If there were any power that would be strong enough to throw an invasion against the Primordial One, it would mean that they could have similar origins, at least Outlanders. Coincidentally, the Second Outlander that came to Teyvat is also the one who brought chaos after they and the Queen Seelie decided to be unified through mariage. For this reason, some people believe that the Second Outlander is the one who attacks against the Primordial One. Celestia declares that the invaders were chased away. However, what the scribe thinks may be the Primordial One has 180° change in attitude, doing quite the contrary of what they use to do. Moreover, at the time, the Primordial One and three other shades aren't responding. It seemed rather not that the Primordial One is heartless but because Celestia lies. The Primordial One is defeated and replaced by the Second Who Came. It is then more reasonable for the Second One to want to shut anyone from mentioning any records of the Ancient Civilisation. Why destroying the Ancient Civilisation? It can be that the Second Who Came actually has different ideals than the Primordial One. If such changes are noticeable than the people of the Ancient Civilisation can later identify the Second Who Came as an imposter. Moreover, while the Primordial One is never seen again, the shades of the Primordial One still exists, meaning that the Primordial One isn't dead is the shades are able to still live. The shades can very well tell to their people the truth behind the invasion. In the end, it seemed that the shades are forced to cooperate with the Second Who Came as we see that the archons are probably all aware of the existence of these shades. Among them, the free-est of the shades is probably Istaroth, the time shade. It could be because of Istaroth's activeness that could lead the Ancient Civilization to it's doom as the Second Who Came didn't wish for these information to be spread out.
The Primordial One can be called the Original God and the Creator of Teyvat as in the eyes of humans, the Primordial One is the one who created the man kind. The Primordial One can possibly be Paimon. Before the Traveler's story in profile changed, it was stated that the Sustainer of Heavenly Principles was dying while the Creator that hasn't shown it's face for millenia has yet come. It also states that in someway, the Traveler will probably the one who will ascend to this throne. The Sustainer of Heavenly Principles who is unlikely to die as she doesn't seem to suppose to be affected by erosion, cannot live for too long because the Creator isn't there yet. Since the Traveller cones from another world, it is unlikely that they are the Creator. The profile is also about Paimon since it is about discussions between the Traveler and her. Paimon is also the only one who has the potential of being that Creator.
This quest unironically revealed information we hadn't considered and adds to the intrigue (EDIT AT THE END).
On the Abyss and Abyss Order note, consider the following:
This is mere coincidence, but note that the Hillichurls are under the Abyss Order's influence in many surface operations. Including attacks.
A curious decision as they are sending their own people to their deaths when you can consider they could send the Husks instead as they are stronger.
They are also more willing to spend their lives for the sake of their own progress.
The Husks on the other hand seem to be more interested in protecting the Hillichurls and even stopping any task the Order will do that affectively harms them.
Note that the Abyss Order Mages all have shields and the Heralds and Lectors rely on shields when they are weaker. The Husks on the other hand gain buffs as they strike shields... I feel that the situation between the Abyss Order and the Knights (Husks) may be a mirror to Celestia and the Archons. Only the Archons are slowly being free of Celestia's grasp as they are losing their Gnoses.
Also... the Abyss Twin traveling before Khaenri'ah's fall and becoming associated with the nation may explain why the Sustainer stopped us. Consider this, Zhongli practically reveals that he can tell we aren't from Teyvat. We should consider the other Archons can too. Maybe the Sustainer could as well, but stopped us because she recognized the Twin as someone from Khaenri'ah, if not associated.
EDIT: I just realised something. For a long time I had a theory that the Traveler was going to Ascend to Godhood at the end of the Story due to the Bio section for them and the fact that there's eight important pieces in Chess yet only seven are being used as Gnoses.
We know the Abyss Order seems to want to bind a God for their needs and they want to revert the curse. We also know that the Twins can command the elements or other powers without a bauble... and in Chess there's a thing called "promotion", where when a Pawn reaches the end of the board, they can become another piece of high value like a Knight or Tower, etc. And the end of the Travaile Trailer indicates that the weaves of fate could be ours to weave one day. I wonder... if this is actually the road we are going to take
idt its counted as sending them to their deaths, mainly cause hilichurls being immortal are cursed to bear their fate for eternity. So they'll probably keep coming back till the day they erode for good
@@InactiveTwig Is that how it works? I'm asking because I didn't see any info that indicates that possibility
@@TheGameRuler It's implied that they literally respawn even after being killed. Dain himself even confirmed that Death isn't the end for them, which implies they don't actually die.
@@Rexhunterj I think that's up to debate. Dainsleif says that the curse denies death but it also doesn't mean they can't really die (his words). And honestly I think they can actually die because if they couldn't then why would he consider each Herald as being different and actively hunt them. Not only that but why would they actively try to flee and preserve their lives if they can't be killed by conventional means or even show some semblance of fear to dieing if that couldn't really die? Or even decide to take up more drastic measures for self preservation? Halfdan's sacrifice is proof that those who die with the curse can actually still die before their "end"... that said I feel that if they couldn't actually die then they wouldn't be so dramatic about trying to stay alive.
@@Rexhunterj they have made respawn canonical
Come to think of it, maybe the real reason that Celestia destroyed Khaenriah was because they were the last civilization from the time of the Primordial One. Enkanomiya and the Inverted City have the same architecture and both got destroyed. I might be wrong on this one though
Technically enkanomiya survived and was later ABANDONED in an exodus to Watatsumi aboveground
@@shanedoesyoutube8001 celestia was refusing to let the enjanomiya from coming to the surface probably for the same reason. they was keeping one eye close letting those people live under the sea until orobashi came and read the book,
Celestia might be from another world and it's possible that maybe they don't want others to know that, so they destroyed civilizations who knew that.. that's what I think but your theory might be right
I wonder if somewhere in the future, they will just decide to remove all hilichurls in game for the main story quest
Seems like it
I even get a feeling that the disappearance/destruction of Jade Chamber is just the devs testing the water when we are about to destroy Celestia.
Probably for a story quest or a certain area until we cleared it, just in case we still need to farm their mats?
@@dojiz7242 I don’t know why we would need more hilichurl mats at that point of game though
@@lavenderiris9744 keep in mind that they will still release future characters that needs hilichurl mats.
Can't wait to see your theories on how the pillar found in Chasm has cube-like architecture, as if, they were attacks from Sustainer frozen as rocks.
That was also my thought!
fr!
Finally someone said it. I have a feeling the sustainer might be the "second throne"
One thing you have mistaken is that The traveler's sibling isn't the one who put the Inteyvat (flower) down by the hilichurls. It was Halfdan that put the flower down as a form of memorial to the hilichurls who he swore to protect before they were all cursed. This was clear in the cutscene at the end where we saw some of Halfdan's memories. Though the possibility that the abyss twin can go to Khaenri'ah is probably likely regardless of this misunderstanding you had.
ooooooh
I don’t think it was him tho
It was him. The hand that retracts looks like his and not the traveler's
The Abyss Order's HQ is probably stationed in Khaenri'ah. The only way to get there is to create a Time Tunnel (Wormhole) or a Portal.
And, apparently there are still survivors of Khaenri'ah in Khaenri'ah.
A thing I noticed, The flower Inteyvat, in the original script (Chinese) is called 因提瓦特, '因' (yin) meaning because/ for/ for the sake of/ reason, and 提瓦特 (ti wa te) meaning Teyvat.
提 pinyin is ti not it btw
@@Sam-qe2nr I know that. Just, auto correct. Do you think I would've been able to type the name if I didn't know Pinyin.
@@annalisehua I'm aware of that, just pointed out a small error
I find it interesting that the Abyssal portal network works exactly like the teleport waypoints
It same but different is the abyss portal are moving while the waypoint are just stand still it's like abyss portal u can teleport what I want instead of teleport to waypoint and walking just to reach that geovishap boss to get ascension for yanfei and also hydro cube I hate those locations I need walk
@@jessiellanes3004 The waypoints and statues are fixed on key points in the leyline network apparently. Also apparnetly the Abyss has its own set of leyline networks which is why the Abyss is able to function so well in Teyvat, but not in the Vishap Realm.
i thought it was more like makoto's realm of consciousness bc miko said that we have to focus on ei and our wishes for her to get to where she was
Here's Food for thought: In the Cutscene Narrated by Venti at the start of every Month when you first Open the BP Menu, Venti states that: "the Crowned Heir Lost their Memory and came to rule the Kingdom of Darkness", And that "the other Crowned Heir was sent out from the Kingdom of Light to finish their Mission to Find the Genesis Pearl".... So who said that the Twin that Lost their Memory in the Kingdom of Darkness was the Abyss Twin? In Fact All evidence points to the Contrary, that the Traveler is the one that Lost their Memory...
So then, What is the Kingdom of Darkness that Venti Speaks of? And what is the Kingdom of Light? We had all assumed that because the People of Khaenri'ah are now Hilichurls and Members of the ABYSS order, that It must have been the "Kingdom of Darkness"... Yet Halfdan's Spectral outfit is mostly White, and he's a Royal Guard, so it stands to reason that his outfit is the Standard Uniform and Style for Khaenri'ah. And the only reason their colour Scheme is now Black is because of the Curse put upon them by the gods? Doesn't it Seem odd that it would be the Gods that would inflict an entire people with such a DARK Curse?.... Now What if... Khaenri'ah is actually the Kingdom of Light? (Or perhaps Primordial One that this vid Keeps referencing, but that seems less likely) And What if the Twins are actually Khaenri'ahn Royalty? Their Style of Clothing is Much closer to the style of Halfdan and Dainslef than to anyone else we've seen in Teyvat, so it fits. And it would Explain why Lumine wears the National Flower of Khaenri'ah in her hair.
Also the Symbol of Khaenri'ah that shows up on all the Heralds, Lectors and Serpent Knights Might actually be just a Variation on the Symbol that Both Travelers have all over their Design, the "Primogem" symbol that Paimon also has. Both Symbols are Symmetrical Stars, The only Difference is if it's 4 or 8 Points(Well 7 for the Abyss Version, since it's Missing it's Top point as it's Kinda Blended into their Collar for style, But on Halfdan all 8 points are Complete, and the 4 Larger ones are almost identical with the angle of their points to the Primogem Symbol used by the travelers and Paimon). the Similarity of the Two Symbols could also mean something along the lines of "Take the simple Symbol of Prymogems, and add some extra Stuff on it to show how Khaenri'ah Built it's Civilization on top of an older Civilization from which they took their base Symbol"... So the twins Might also be Primordial One Royals. Though For now I'm still more tempted to say they're more likely Khaenri'ahn royalty than something older, Despite their Seeming Immortality and Time Travel powers.
On another note: In the Teyvat Trailer Video, the rest of the Nations have a black background when their names are introduced, while Khaenriah has a white background.
What if the first crowned heir was the kingdom of khaenri’ah that seeked the pearl (the meaning of the world) then got punished (cursed) by the gods they turned into the kingdom of darkness and the second crowned heir is the princess/prince sibling
the bp cutscene doesnt change the genders of the heirs mentioned when you pick lumine instead of aether (or aether instead of lumine), so it couldn't be the traveler and the abyss twin the cutscene was talking about
@@khoiphan2990 At the end of the Cutscene Venti explicitly says "This is your Story".
Plus Mihoyo has pretty Much always used Aether in promotional material Relating to the Traveler, Utterly Neglecting to show Lumine, and have actually received many complaints about it. This cutscene is no different.
@@kgmotte2363 true but the cut scenes in battle pass dosnt fits be our traveler story even if I assumed it is Aether as a second heir . So till I be proven wrong by the story I dont see them as Aether n Lumine.
In Hydrological Investigation, we learn that the water in the Chasm is dense in Hydro energy. Maybe this abnormal amount of energy associated with healing is what allows the fountain to temporarily lighten the load of the curse.
8:14 I don't agree with the interpretation here, I think Dainsleif said what he said so that Halfdan's soul would be at peace, by implying that the cataclysm did not destroy Khaenri'ah as badly as it did.
From the story, I think Dainsleif sees the people of Khaenri'ah and himself as doomed and beyond saving from "mortal" means, because anyone from Khaenri'ah is branded at the level of the fate of the world (whatever that means in the world of Teyvat). Dainsleif does not agree with the Abyss twin's way of saving the people of Khaenri'ah because he knows that it wouldn't work and would only result in their death and suffering, since their physical existence is slowly being replaced by the curse. He also seems to be against the methods used by the Abyss order. However, it does not necessarily means that Dainsleif is not looking for a different way of reviving or saving Khaenri'ah (or what remains of it).
Like you say, I think Dain only said that to allow Halfdan's soul to leave in peace thinking his homeland was alright. In the other hand, Dain gave up hope and he truly thinks the hilichurls have no salvation at all, which is absurd. There must be a way to undo, unless he has a hidden goal to his pursuit of The Abyss. That would make more sense.
@@shaezy19 No, I believe Dain's implication of the Hilichurls being too far gone to be valid. Hilichurls are the end-point of sentience for cursed Khaenri'ahn people, beyond that they erode into a husk that isn't even sentient anymore and barely counts as alive.
The Abyss Order's higher ups might all be able to return to being mostly human, sans some parts of them being permanently changed.
About the defaced statues. In Egypt if i am right, when they tryed to erase someone in a fundamental level the name was scrubbed from the hieroglyps and also removed the face from the statues. That way the subject of this will loose their power and significance.
One thing I learned from the recent story quest
-Lumine is genuinely the princess or at least the leader of Khaenri'ah at some point before the cataclysm
-Hilichurls are truly Khaenri'ah citizens (not abyss creatures) because we know hilichurls, although primal and primative they do have some basic or decent amount of intelligence.
-Abyss mages, Lectors, Heralds, rifthounds are all creatures of the abyss meaning they have no relation to Lumine and Khaenri'ah at all. in fact they are probably the root on why Khaenri'ah was bombed to begin with.
Also they claim to be citizens of Khaenri'ah but during the purification ritual only the Husk (Khaenri'ah royal guards) and hilichurls (Khaenri'ah citizens) and lastly dainsleifwas the only one who was affected by it. the lector performing the ritual was not affected by it at all. this proves that the abyss order is a third party that enticed and corrupted lumine on going against the heavenly principles of celestia
Gnostic Hymn lore is now starting to make sense. Lumine is the princess of a once glorious kingdom who was corrupted by the abyss and now her sibling is continuing the path she had failed to follow.
you making the abyss a third party actually is kinda right and wrong at the same time
since the enka 2.5 event, it was confirmed that there are three realms - The Light (Vishap), The Dark (Abyss), and The Human Realm - and Celestia is the one which is alien to Teyvat. You could say that Celestia is the one who is the third party breaking the natural order of Teyvat.
Maybe think of the Abyss (dark realm) as the natural enemy of Teyvat, simply wanting to cause chaos in disguise of helping the khaenri'an people (human realm), I mean that's actually a good excuse to fight the gods
you give me more question now..
however the black serpent knights are the royal guard of Khaenriah, they share the same motif of the 'snake' in gnostic.. could it be that Khaenriah actually was infiltrated or something?
is the snake an abyss creature that infiltrate Khaenriah and twist the truth about primordial?
or perhaps the serpent itself is one of the shade or even the primordial?
was Orobaxi also born from the shade?
if so, was originally Khaenriah also part of Primordial's civilization.. ? if so, the more reason for Celestia to destroy them ..
its Venti the one who narrate it.. could it be that he makes the Khaenriah as antagonist to please Celestia and avoid something?
and I want to point out that Dain also said "but in the hidden corner when the gods gaze does not fall, ..." is he talking about Khaenriah... its hidden.. just like Enkanomiya and The civilization in the chasm..
p.s. I struggle to make up my mind writing this comment
I still don't think the Bp cut scene is Aether and Lumine since usually in-game cut scenes are changed according to the mc you picked...It's the same for both Lumine and Aether pickers..
@@thecommenter_ they just did that because the community just can`t accept that Aether is the canon Traveler. I mean is it really hard to accept that the canon protagonist is Aether and not Lumine regardless if the game gives the liberty to choose which of the twin you play?
Its like pokemon whether you pick Red or Leaf in the end the canon kanto champion is Red regardless of which gender you choose.
@@patricksusulin9335 bruh .. Lumine was always available to be picked and if hoyovers wanted only one canon traveler they wont add her as a traveler in the first place so dont try to blame the community for that. If you think Aether is a better for traveler rule then that’s simply ur opinion.
I think the gods of celestia casted erosion on all life forms in teyvat, but khaenrians got an extra curse due to their actions defying the gods, so they were forced to be hilichurls, probably.
And the four statues might be the ones of the shades of the primordial ones.
That analysis was really insane. I remember those details when I got to that Archon Quest quickly.
...There is a chance that Traveler being 'communicating' with Celestia through the Archon statues to get the elements and the healing, wasn't actually going through Celestia, but maybe somehow the Shades intervened. Like how supposedly Celestia was using the work of Primordial One, the Shades too do the same thing..... and that someone pointed Paimon being one of the Shades, which sits me well.
20:23
Remember while we were entering Raiden's fight with the puppet,
Miko said "Remember to focus constantly On your heartfelt wishes When you enter inside. Only if you are strong enough Can I deliver you To the right destination."
It all makes sense now
Seems like im a hilicurl now, scared to see my own reflection 💀
So with the people feeling better at the chasm ruins, I saw another theory talking about what the other phanes are, them being time, space, life and death due to many reasons (go look up the video) but let’s say this chasm ruin is worshipping either the phane of life or death it would make sense immortal people would feel at ease. Life is obvious while death could be seen as their suffering nearing the end.
13:57 Abyss existed before the coming of Primodal One and before creation of Tevyat. Along side of the world of vishaps.
The abyss lectors and dainsleif himself doesn't corrode so much because they spend most time in the Abyss. And in abyss 1. Time is slower than in Tevyat 2. The laws of celestia eaither do not work in Abyss or work to less extend.
I was waiting for this video, missed you loads
An observation: Compared to the flowers Halfdan left for the hilichurls, the ones in Lumine's hair seem to still be fresh (regardless of which twin you play as) or at the very least, not stone-like. Not sure if it's actually something to consider or just laziness on Mihoyo's part.
The thing is, the abyss sibling probly met a lot of people, friends and family in khaenriah the same way we do as we progressed with the game, so I emphatize with his vengeful act and stuff,
Other than the events in the past with the twin forming or meeting the Abyss Order. The flower in Lumine's hair makes the timeline a little screwy. Lumine woke up with it, yet she had it in her hair when they met the Unknown God and she remembers fighting her with Aether. That's confusing...maybe it's just a memory that she doesn't remember for some reason?
That's because the scene where they fought the unknown god she and Aether were about to leave Teyvat. When she arrived at Teyvat with Aether she probably didn't have it until (with Traveler Lumine) Aether put it in her hair and (with Abyss Lumine) she woke up before Aether and put it in her hair
She doesn't actually say she doesn't remember, instead only being vague. There is still a lot about the twins that we don't know but that they presumably know.
She said she woke up with it, could be when Aether woke her up to leave Teyvat and they got stopped by the Unknown god.
Taking into account the amount of Greek mythos/architecture referenced in the story and design of enkanomiya, the abyss and the ancient civilisations in Genshin, it's interesting to note that snakes were heavily associated with rebirth and immortality.
The constellation "Ophiuchs" (which depicts a man wrapped by a snake) is often associated with the Greek mythical figure of Asclepius, son of the god Apollo, who was capable of bringing people back to life with his healing powers. He learned how to do this after witnessing a snake revive another snake with a healing herb. Asclepius took this herb and revived the son of King Minos of Crete after he'd fallen into a jar of honey and drowned. Another myth involved Asclepius being handed the blood of the Gorgon Medusa by the goddess of Athene. The blood from the veins on her left was poison and on the right was said to be able to revive the dead (or bring back life). However, Asclepius was struck down by Zeus because he was worried that the human race would become immortal with Asclepius around to heal them.
I just noticed the parallels between Khanrieh and Celestia with Asclepius and Zeus.
Additionally, "the loom of fate operation" could potentially be a reference to 'The Fates' (or Morai) who are a group of three weaving goddesses who align individual destinies to mortals at birth and they operate 'The Loom of Fate' which is the device they use to weave the fate of the mortals. What if, basing off Dainsleif's dialog on the nature of the curse "It is a way of branding us at the level of the fate of the world itself", the curse isn't necessarily from the power of Celestia but from a device stolen/created that they use.
My theory is the traveler was not actually " sleeping" and just become wake up 500 years ago. He was actually dead and lumine use something forbidden to revive traveler. Which lead to the war and the destruction of kheinriah. While the celestial punish kheinriah people to be "curse of immortal" as they help to revive the dead
Wowww an amazing theory so it means she care for his brother...but when they met it seems nothing to her.
But what about Qiqi?
@@aoizorachi0 qiqi got turn into a zombie??/undead??(i honestly don't know what to call her but she is not a human, at least no longer a human). she cant make new memories, cant remember old memories. the only thing that keeping her functioning is her notebook. which is quite sad honestly. if her notebook somehow got stolen then she wont know anything. she can only function by giving herself the order to do so 1st.
@@aoizorachi0 she was revived, but not fully, as she lost all of her memories and emotions, and if the talisman on her head gets ripped off she will die
wait... omg
Regarding 16:25
Isnt it weird that it's the same symbol from the adventurers' guild? Besides the traveler and the abyss, Katheryne knows too about the function of waypoints.
Since she has this keyhole behind her back I wonder if she's made with the same tech, similar to the Albedos and Shoguns
Must be like some hidden-in-plain-sight thing all along
She probably is made from tech, there are some chances that she will say "Rebooting"
When Dainsleif said those ruins are older than Khaenri'ah's I instantly thought about the Seelie
Wait, let me get this straight.
From another world, the twins reach Khaenri'ah but one of them were asleep. After some major events, the abyss twin woke up the traveler and attempted to escape before the sustainer captured them and returned them back to teyvat, putting both to sleep? So I just need to clarify, did the traveler wake up 500 years after the abyss twin did or did both of them wake up 500 years after the destruction of Khaenri'ah? I mean, if it's the latter, then it would make sense since at the time the traveler visited Mondstadt, it was months after they woke up.
I believe what happened was that the twins came to Teyvat and were able to enter with no issues around 500 years ago. When they realised that a war was beginning in Khaenri'ah they decided they should leave, when the Sustainer prevented their exit and sent them both back to Teyvat. The traveler's sibling awoke immediately or soon after what happened with the sustainer and ended up experiencing and living through the cataclysm (destruction of Khaenri'ah). However, the traveler i.e. us, did not awake until 500 years after the sustainer sent us back to Teyvat and so 500 years after the cataclysm. I don't believe that the traveler woke up twice, one of those times being by their twin as otherwise this would have been stated by the traveler in the very beginning. The twins had already been travelling around the universe for likely hundreds of years, there's no reason as to why they would suddenly fall asleep while entering this world. They would have entered Teyvat fine but weren't able to leave when they wanted to and the Sustainer's interference and her power itself is what made the Traveler sleep so long.
Also, I don't believe that just because the abyss sibling is against Dainsleif now, that they were when Khaenri'ah was first destroyed, they easily could have travelled after the cataclysm, and while travelling, the abyss sibling may have learnt something about Dainsleif and decided he was now an enemy to Khaenri'ah, rather than the abyss sibling disliking him immediately after the cataclysm. This makes more sense to me anyway.
When the twins arrived, it seems to be indicated that one woke up before the other. This twin found Khaenri'ah pre-calamity.
It's implied that Dainsleif and him were traveling companions during this time as well (which is curious because if this is accurate then he was still captain of the Black Serpent Knights).
When the time came and Celestia and Khaenri'ah wer practically fighting, it seems to be around this time the Traveler wakes up. Also around this time that they decide to leave Teyvat.
This timeline makes sense because Lumine already had the flowers on her head when they were leaving.
This also explains why the Sustainer stopped us: Zhongli practically hints in the first quest with him that he knows we aren't from Teyvat, so we should assume all the Gods know. Meaning the Sustainer had no reason to stop us... unless one of us was recognisable for associating with Khaenri'ah.
Also, thinking about it, for the Captain to be traveling around with the Twin during this time. It could mean that the Twin already may have had some noteworthy presence in Khaenri'ah's social structure.
Yeah, I read the replies and I have to agree that part was so confusing. What we learned from the game beginning was simple. We came with our twin because we travel between worlds. We came upon the world that has Teyvat and Khaenri'ah. For a while things were fine and we stayed, then a war waged. Then we wanted to leave, but were stopped by the Unknown God. Presumably because we've seen too much. Then we got trapped, separated, and woke up to find Paimon while the other twin founded Abyss Order in vengeance for the destruction they saw Celestia made. I understand why this video said one twin woke up first, they're trying to say that Lumine has that flower and said "I have traveled through this world once and you shall see its truth soon" as if we haven't, not because we lost memory of Khaenri'ah, we just never saw it until we sensed our Abyss ruler twin's presence at the Stormterror's Lair. That's saying the other twin woke up from the meteorite first and then came to get us when the war started, but it was too late since the twin saw too much and was a threat to be allowed escape. If not for the Inteyvat, the story would've been much simpler, but it's the theme of the game after all.
badly written story is bad
the traveller just let's crucial information slip by like it's nothing and continues to hum drum their way into hopefully finding their twin
there's plenty of people the traveller already met that they could ask a lot of questions from but just doesn't
starting from paimon
how many months have they been travelling without discussing their earliest memories
bah
@@Dubs22005 What crucial information slipped by?
And we don't really know if they didn't already, in those months. In addition the Traveler did reveal in Zhongli's second Archon quest that they simply don't speak much about certain topics.
Either because it's too personal or something.
So how about hypostasis? They seemed somehow "eroded" (when you see geo, anemo and electro hypostasis seems damaged at the picture, but the other element is looking fine) is there something to do with the archons?
Probably because the archon of geo anemo and electro don't have their gnosis anymore, atleast that's what i think
@@noobplay906id2 I was thinking it may be because they’re the only original archons that exist but yours makes more sense
I think they are related to the primordial era civilization because some designs of the ruins in Enkayomiya and the chasm have similar patterns as the design on the hypostasises.
There might also be a connection between the sustainer and the hypostasis since the cube motif, so maybe the unknown god is 1 of the 4 shades or the primordial one. Or maybe the one god who took over is from the same place as the 1st hence same origin for designs
Yes someone said it was because the geo anemo and electro archons are from the originals 7 from the archon war and so they are affected by erosion
“It” is probably everything or anything relating to leylines
Keeping one of its branches, i’m assuming it could keep your memories and yourself for you. The bigger the branch, the more it might have space for you.
And if Hydro is associated with healing, and can even suppress a curse like Dain’s or the hilichurls, maybe the Hydro Archon isn’t being eroded.
Likely the water suppressing the curse might have powers from the 4 shades or has something with leylines in it
Also, where do we draw the line of K’haenriah people and The Abyss? Those Black Serpent enemies are said to be guards of K’haenriah, yet they’re now from the Abyss as said in the archive apparently. Could all K’haenriah people be from the Abyss, but not all from the Abyss could be from K’haenriah?
I think that last bit you said is probably correct. I imagine after the fall of khaenriah they were branded as "fallen" and became a part of the abyss. Because the abyss existed even before the fall of Khaenriah as a place where all the things that teyvat's world order rejects go. Since The Abyss has been there longer I imagine there are things in it that were there first. They probably joined hands with the left over sentient people of Khaenriah as a deal kind of thing. We help you with your goal and we ultimately achieve ours kind of thing.
idk, i think there are differences with the hydro from the primordial one's ancient civilization and the hydro that we know of currently (waters of teyvat, hydro vision holders and the hydro archon) based on the description of the hydro hyposthasis: ''the waves conjured by the Hydro Hypostasis are incompatible with the currents that flow above and below ground. Even if it were to flow into the surpassingly pure waters of Petrichor, this drop of water will likely resist assimilation as strongly as mercury.''
but i have to wait for fontaine to see if this really apply
(sorry if my english sounds weird it's not my 1st language😅)
I think “it” is hope. It’s why that Abyss Mage that controlled Dvalin had a brain enough to be convincing. People can also negotiate with Abyss Mages, so the hope they get is brought through the branches they carry of memories of prospering Khaenri’ah.
I just noticed something. It's not the exact words but Dain said "The structure strongly resembles Khaenri'ah's... If it's the other way up." This is important. It tells us Khaenri'ah was never an inverted nation. It was just like Teyvat. Unless Teyvat is the inverted one, and the Primordial One civilization is the one that is actually upright as in facing North, the Khaenri'ah is also upside down like Teyvat.
I actually noticed the flower thing for a long time
Glad to find more info about it :)
perhaps, the god in question, is the traveller and the twin. We do have confirmed healing/purifying powers, as we purified the dvalin crystals and xiao feels better from his karmic debt when he is with us. so when we get all elements powers, our own powers will be capable of purifying the curse.
I have a feeling that the Traveller will actually be the god Khaenriah wishes to create due to their healing methods,also cuz they are benevolent and tend to help others aside from the fact that they are on a journey to finding their sibling
16:37 if Khaenri'ah was a part of Abyss realm (it is said that Khaenri'ah was an underground realm), there's possibly another nation than Khaenri'ah that the denizens were not human in the first place.
The reason the traveller twin doesn’t and the abyss twin may have separate thoughts it may be due to the splitting and convergence of 2timelines.the traveller twin has lost his memories during the splitting of timelines when they were stopped by the unknown god
it also might just simply be that they don't agree with each other's ideals
@@khoiphan2990 that is agreeable since dainslieff did talk about the fact that they have different goals then before although they still are similar in how they react
if the abyss sibling is indeed cursed cause they were there living in Khaenri'ah when it was cursed then the ending is gonna be tragic.... its already getting dark with each new main patch.
The Abyss Order's portals remind me of the Teleport Waypoints that the Traveller uses.
This archon quest made me even more worried that the ending might change depending on which traveller we choose. Because mine is Lumine. Its giving me a lot of misunderstandings since I'm lore geek of Genshin and the dialogs are different depending on the twins. And since you mentioned that the twins may have a different approach and opinions about things, maybe thats one of the reason why the abyssal twin didn't take the traveller twin with them.
Speaking of the Twins, when I was looking on the achievements under the Enkanomiya, I saw the name of 3 gods. One of them is Kairos, which we already know and is mentioned to be one of the four shades. The other 2 gods mentioned in the achivements was siblings (not mentioned as twins) which are Hesperus and Phosphoros. This 2 are also greek gods just like Kairos. Hesperus is also known as the "Evening Star" while Phosphoros as the "Morning Star". This made my theory even more stronger that the twins are actually gods. Since people see the twins as the representations of Sun & Moon, Morning & Night, Light & Dark. Something like that. But theres also a possibility that this 2 gods mentioned are 2 of the four shades or a possibility that the twins are children of some powerful god.
I'm beginning to enjoy more about the lore in the world of Genshin Impact , thanks to CatWithBlueHat . I'm even more excited for more lore information from upcoming Archon Quest 😄😄😄
Imagin if one of the final bosses you’ll have to beat is the twin sibling. After finishing your journey and meeting your sibling. You’re ideals still conflicting with one another. In order to stop them from risking their life, you’ll have to defeat them in battle. This might also shed some light on what the original power of the twins are.
(No pun intended)
Imagining the abyss twin in despair calling out to the previously "sleep" traveler when Khaenri'ah was destroyed is enough to flood my eyes 😢
But alas, the traveler woke up 500 years too late
I just wanted to say that by the Clensing pool in the upside-down city the statues are same statues are found in Enkanomiya around the Dainichi Mikoshi
I don't think it's possible for Dainsleif and Twin to have traveled before Khaenri'ah's destruction. Dainsleif takes his Black Serpent Knight duties very seriously, and would have been required to stay with the royal family. It's possible that after Khaenri'ah was destroyed, Twin and Dainsleif met, and they traveled for a time, during which time Twin was convinced to join the Abyss Order as their new "royal line."
I think Dain and Kaeya definitely have something to do with the end of genshin, because it will be about Khaneri’ah. Kaeya is canonically from there, and when the quest starts Paimon says that he might be related to Kaeya because he has an eyepatch, and the traveler says they couldn’t be. But Paimon doesn’t say anything when we meet people like Beidou or Fischl
@16:26 If you look closely on Aether's Clothing you can see a similar symbol/crest on his chest that which can be also found on Abyss Lectors, Heralds and Husks
what if the twins are actually from Khaenri'ah, but the twin you chose had their memories altered, we know that God of Moments has the power to alter moments in time and then te time just fixes itself, just like with sacred sacura. Maybe it is a stretch but what if the other twin said 'we've always had enough time' because they actually are from this world. would be even funnier if the twins turned out to be one of past gods or dietys or people from before the archons
can we just say that aether put the flowers in lumines hair THATS SO CUTEE
im watching your vids as they are very good and its wild how much stuff was foreshadowed in chasm questline which is kinda current now
thank you for making these
also ive finished tsurumi isle this week and thanks for using its musc here its very nice
Well if you think about it. There was an event at the Chasm 500 years ago that endangered Liyue, similar to Durin attacking Mondstadt or Inazuma's darkness. Most likely that each nation has a disaster to which happened 500 years ago and the main cause might be from Khanr'iah.
I always look forward to your lore videos like Klementime's. Well done. I hope you stick to this story and help us all make sense of this wonderful game!
My theory about the Hydro Archon is that she is under careful watch by Celestia.
Based on her descriptions in the gemstone and in the Teyvat storyline video, she has a proud personality. Being a god of justice, she is confident that her form of justice or law is correct. She even stated her people can judge ger as she is clean. She also has this line that she sees the other archons as lesser than her (or something like that). Yet, she has her restrains as she is also under the the rules of Celestia.
Fontaine being somewhat like an industrially advanced nation, she will not make any attempts to displease the current gods above with progress. Progress that caused other nations to fall.
Also, in some depictions of maps of Teyvat, plus the location of the floating land above and other ingame details, it appears Celestia is floating just above or near Fontaine. That would pressure her.
I have an answer to your question at 16:14-16:43. The reason why the abyss heralds and lectors are not suffering from the light is because you literally said that they belong from the Abyss Order. Maybe the members of the Abyss Order has some sort of protection from this light thus they’re not suffering.
Meanwhile those who don’t belong to the Abyss Order like the hilichurls, husks, and Dainsleif are suffering because even though they’re denizens of the Abyss and from Kaenri’ah, they’re not part of the Abyss Order. 👀
Even Genshin wiki confirms that the only known members of the Abyss Order are the mages, heralds, and lectors. 😉
I'm thinking the similar thing. The effect is engineered so that they wont target themselves, thus only Dainsleif, Hilichurl, and the Husks. But it makes me wonder if they will eventually cast it on themselves once it's proven successful
You probably right maybe they created a device to stop being affected or something
I though it was Halfdan who left those flowers for the Hilichurls, not the Abyss Sibling.
I find it funny how the abyss twin just tried to ditch their “homeland” as soon as it was getting destroyed 😭 Like “yo, time to go to the next world, heehee 🤭 After keeping my sista in a coma for a few centuries, ima wake her up and split 😜”
I want to draw attention to two things. Firstly, the pattern on Aether's chest is very similar to the pattern of the Khaenri'ahs (the twins' clothes do not have to be from their home world. So, for example, there is a flower from Khaenri'ah in Lumine's clothes, and this pattern is in Aether's clothes), and secondly, only those who were under the curse (hilichurls, Dainsleif, husks) suffered in the chasm, but not the abyss readers, maybe because they were already able to get rid of (or greatly weaken) the curse, and not because they're not from Khaenri'ah
And no, abyss twin does not considers Khaenri'ah as homeland. Twins are from another world, which was destroyed, so they tried to rebuild IT in Teyvat
9:03 oo hoo hoo. I'm watching this 9 months later. And boy that new lore that nahida dropped sure has thrown us off huh
i was waiting for ur take on this story, and its finally here!!!
also grats on the 200k subs!!!
As usual, Hoyoverse still giving us MORE questions than Answers. By the way Cat! Love these Videos of yours! These give me deeper meaning to the story and the hidden information within them.
I pictured in my head a future cutscene where traveler Lumine steps inside Kahenri'ah and her flowers soften, she picks them from her hair and they instantly dissolve in her very hands.
Then how about traveller aether?
When talking about the race, that much more ancient than Khaenriah, Celestia and probably Abyss, i can only think of Seelie. And probably they are related to Primordial One
Out of topic, but have y'all ever noticed the symbols behind the Irminsul trees in domains? The five circles above it specifically. The middle one probably represents Phanes and the other four are the Shades
I hope that the next quest the abyss twin will actively intervene
So far the traveller (and Dain) mushed the abyss twins plans 3 times
1. Corruption of Dvalin (which is kinda understandable that abyss twin didn't get mad since she was relieved that her twin is still good and alive)
2. Inverted Statue, yeah abyss twin appeared, but only to save the hydro herald. Probably abyss twin was suprised that traveller is with Dain, and maybe she couldn't take the two on? Or have an hesitation to fight her brother so she just retreated.
Whatever happened to the inverted statue anyways? We just left it there after the emotional damage we suffered. Didn't even bother to destroy or report it to Adventurers guild, or.. Zhongli.. or some higher authority.
Maybe abyss twin will revisit that inverted statue once they got hold of the field tiller core that Dain possesses.
3. The cleansing event. Now..this should get in the nerves of the abyssal twin right?
Like there are pests who keeps ruining her plans, especially since she is emotionally attached to it. That's annoying honestly. Either she herself will do somethin or be manipulated by the order to do something.
Next archon quest, the abyssal twin and traveller should fight for real. It would make no sense not to because if I was the abyssal twin, I would eliminate those who stand in my way, be it my twin or Dain.
For those who are having a hard time to understand about "erosion", so for lands and ores its a easy explanation. For living beings, erosion is something getting closer it its expiry date. Like, when a person starts to get old, slowly his back bends, his legs and arms starts to lose power,
bad eye sight, weak digestive system, and many other such things. His body starts to lose it's power. like how machines start to work slower and all. think of it like that. and slowly that body will stop to finction and the person dies. But if the person still doesn't dies after the body doesn't functions its starts breaking inside(like how rusting works). It is still functional but like a rusted machine. and slowly that rusted machine will start decomposing. So that's how this "erosion" works. I tried my best to explain with examples. If you still can't understand, I'm sorry.
the more the story goes the more it is making sense that Aether is the protagonist and Lumine is the abyss queen. the flower placed by lumine from her hair shows a emotional connection she has with khaenri'ah. Lumine clearly has more story in Khaenria'ah. Just why would someone lese carry they flower for 500 years that to a abyss creature who are devoid of sympathy and such fellings. They obey order and have a mindset of revenge and destruction.
And mark my words Lumine is probably the reason why Celestia destroyed Khaenri'ah otherwise why would she alone is trying to "revive" khaenri'ah. she could have explained aether about ecerything and Aether would have believed him. But she wants to fight alone to make up for something or as if she has a responsibility to do so.
The music is so good, with the zither, piano and flute
All your theory give me goosebumps in anticipation for future events. Not only that, your video is so well presented with beautiful bgm and cutscenes. New subscriber here!
First time seeing a guy who make video at 4. am and that is a sahur time
these are great! very detailed and well made. would love another in depth look on khaenri'ah and why they share same pupils tho kaeya's differs. are kaeya's pupils indicative of being half khaenri'ahn only and thus saving him from the curse of his people?
this quest was probably my favorite, the amount of info i got was so much and i loved it all, when ever my mystery boy dain shows up i never skip dialonge
i remember an old theory about the sustainer’s cube things absorbing the souls of people which is why khaneriah was covered in the blocks. the nail in chasm has her same blocks but a light blue color. in the traveler archon quest, halfdan’s soul escaped in an energy that matched the color of those blocks. could it be that the cubes really do absorb the soul? if that’s true, it would explain why theres cubes around the nail. it could be the hilichurls’s souls, which makes sense because the reason why they are all headed towards the chasm is because they were attracted to the nail (i think). further expanding on this, does that mean that the constellations that we also see floating around the nail alongside the cubes are the CONSTELLATIONS of the souls?
big brain 🧠
I'll be waiting on your another look at the chasm' s story. The missing yaksha..and prime zhongli's full power at the chasm's surroundings .
The portal network could be teleport waypoints as only the traveller can use them and they are the only functioning way to travel around teyvat in the blink of an eye. The portable waypoint description even hints to teleport waypoints utilizing power of abyss.
As what you said about Khaenri’ah added in the futuro I think the trailer about the seven nations kinda confirms that because it says “in the hidden corners where the gods gaze does not fall, there are those who dream of dreaming”, which makes me think that where the seven archons nations is not where Khaenri’ah is, I used to think that Mondstadt could be Khaenri’ah but now it makes me think that it might be in a corner, and Khaenri’ah wasn’t destroyed 100%, it maybe could be just like ruins because dain said that it could be similar to Khaenri’ah if that was not upside down, and when it’s talking about “those who dream of dreaming” could be a reference to the abyss order or remaining people of Khaenri’ah hoping for it to be a dream and a lie, I don’t know about the Journey that the abyss twin and dain were in but it obviously wasn’t the same thing for the traveler, like to discover why Khaenri’ah was destroyed and that stuff but it is similar in “Discovering the true nature of this world”, Khaenri’ah for some reason feels like the center of the world, not because it was the most important (because I think they were all equally important) but because it just didn’t affected Khaenri’ah but also all the remaining nations, also it played important roles that now affect the actual journey
Because the Tsaritsa is collecting the gnosis not because they can make her more powerful but because they are the key to Celestia, also it stops the archons from being controlled to attack her when she attacks the heavenly principles in the future, she is not bad but she has the irony, she is the god of love but she doesn’t love her own people because she got so affected when the God of Wisdom died 500 years ago, is kinda similar to what happened to Ei I suppose
My English is not that perfect, I’m sorry if I said something bad or incorrect
I thought i might share something since i haven't seen anyone post about it. After the archon quest in the chasm when you return later to the nameless ruins you can find that the hilichurls have passed one and only their masks remained so i decided to collect the remains i could find but when i returned to hilichurl camp where inteyvat is i discovered that when you investigate a certain spot you don't get a mask but rather a mysterious clicking noise. I don't what that is about maybe its a secret puzzle or its interactable until you find all of the passed On hilichurls masks Who knows
Fascinating video; clear, understandable, and coherent. Thank you so much for your effort to bring us this awesome content!! By the way, i know it is out of the question, but, do you when would Raiden Shogun's banner be back; i have missed all of her banners so far, and i am really sad about it.😔
watching your videos make me truly realize the capacity of my brain
cant comprehend
i was crying my eyes out when playing this storyline. thank you hoyoverse 😖
Love your videos. Makes me try to go back on them whenever I encounter something in the game
I love that everyone thinks "Oh, Abyss twin was just someone who showed up in Khaenri'ah, not anyone native there" and then there's my friend group that's just:
"Hey, how was Khaenri'ah built?"
"Twin got a gnosis and land, built a nation, and got power hungry."
"Okay thanks, gonna go write another AU now."
"Alright, have fun, kill off Tartaglia at some point."
"Will do!"
I dont know if someone has notice this already, but the cutscene style before the battle pass its pretty much similar to an old anime called “Utena: the revolutionary girl”, and curiously this anime also speaks of an illusionary upside down castle that appears from the sky where all dreams can come true. Maybe they could have use this as a reference. just a thought :)
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when we first meet dainsleif in mondstat, he will ask mc some questions, if you choose a "good" answer, then dain will say "you look a lot like her/him" i don't know if dain is talking about the other sibling, but
I think the Celestia of old isn't the same Celestia as nowadays, or might even be a creation of the Second Throne after the primordial one got defeated.
It would explain why the ruins, and the pool of water, have this soothing effect on the people affected by the curse, since they're from a time before Celestia (as stated in the video), a time when the primordial one was reigning over a unified civilization.
If the primordial one was still in charge and ruling over Teyvat and Celestia, it would make no sense for the ruins to be disconnected from Celestia and have this effect on the curse.
This means that the primordial one was a loving God (as shown by one of his shades, the God of Time, in Enkanomya), whereas the new Celestia, ruled by the Second Who Came, eons ago, got rid of the primordial one and despises humanity, wanting to control everyone by using Archons and visions as a means to control the elements.
It also makes sense that such a hateful God would start a war, spreading calamity and destruction all over the world, to determine who'd inherit the privilege to control an element.
I don't see the primordial one doing something like this.
The elements may have existed during the primordial one's rule as well, but were used by humanity as a whole to advance the species, not by a few select gods and vision bearers.
Remember that visions are actually used by Celestia to spy on certain humans with great ambitions, with the ones showing too much potential being invited up to Celestia and taken away to jail (one preview of Celesita looks like a panopticon, a special type of jail).
The abyss might actually be the kingdom of light like I saw mentioned somewhere else, aka. the remnants of the primordial one's power, with Celesita being the kingdom of the false "demonic ruler" that killed the primordial one and turned Teyvat upside down (you actually travel upwards while in the Abyss spire).
Now, what did Kaenri'ah do to justify its destruction by Celestia?
Maybe they got too close to the truth of what happened between the Second Who Came and the primordial one, delving into forbidden Abyssal knowledge and thus making Celestia angry, the Second Who Came maybe being afraid of being overthrown.
After all, orobashi had to die because he learned the truth in Enkanomya.
This also makes sense knowing the Abyssal Order's plan to overthrow Celestia using an artifical God.
The abyssal twin woke up first, traveled around in Teyvat before settling in Kaenri'ah, where he/she learned the truth about this world.
Celestia launches an attack, the twins try to flee, are stopped by the unknown God because one of the twins has forbidden knowledge, and the rest is history.
I do think the Abyssal twin had their journey with Dain before the cataclysm as well, with them discovering the truth at the end of it.
The traveller will eventually discover it as well at the end of his own journey.
I don't think the Abyssal order will remain our enemies at the end of the game, they can't, since it's common knowledge that the fall of Celestia is the ultimate goal of the game, which incidentally, is also the Abyssal Order's goal.
And since the Fatui, under the cryo Archon's rule, are also trying to rebel against Celestia, I don't think they'll be our enemies towards the end of the game either.
Regarding what happened in Inazuma and the whole timeline/time travel shenanigans, I think Celestia overdid it when they punished Kaenri'ah for getting too close to the truth, releasing monsters everywhere on the world.
Remember that not everyone in the abyss is evil, since it may be the kingdom of light, as shown by Childe's mentor, which means that the monsters which attacked Inazuma might be a creation from Celestia.
This lead to them having to correct their mistake with time travel and timeline change with the help of the previous electro Archon.